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I am requesting the {{ Big Blue Button}} template be added somewhere on the page. The template looks like a big blue button with text saying, "Click this button. Copy edit an article." I feel like this button would be useful for those who want to help with copyediting. - Master of Hedgehogs ( converse) ( hate that hedgehog!) 13:13, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello,
We have a grammar question about using commas in a sentence. We are currently editing the Israel page and have questions about comma use in regards to the below proposed sentence:
"Israel declared its establishment on 14 May 1948, the day the British terminated the Mandate, and the First Arab–Israeli War erupted."
I think the two commas in the above sentence are structurally offsetting a “nonessential clause” [1] [2] [3]. I think that this means a nonessential clause is something that can be removed without changing the core meaning of a sentence. Since two commas are placed around the British Mandate portion, and since that portion is grammatically removable, I think that portion is grammatically a nonessential clause. Removing the non-restrictive portion, the sentence becomes
“Israel declared its establishment on 14 May 1948 and the First Arab–Israeli War erupted.”
I think this is problematic because I think it gives the impression that Israel declared establishment, and the war immediately broke out. The war actually broke out the next day from an attack.
So I recommended changing to list format to avoid using nonessential elements:
@ Makeandtoss thinks that I may be overthinking the grammar and interpretation, so this is why I am seeking clarification about the grammar and whether or not the British terminating the Mandate is being used as a nonessential element in the sentence: "Israel declared its establishment on 14 May 1948, the day the British terminated the Mandate, and the First Arab–Israeli War erupted."
If it is being used non essentially, are there any suggestions on how we can improve the sentence grammar or how to rewrite the sentence?
Thank you! Wafflefrites ( talk) 18:54, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Israel declared its establishment on 14 May 1948, the day the British terminated the Mandate and the First Arab–Israeli War erupted.Otherwise, the sentence seems muddied and perhaps run-on. Could the British "terminate" the (League of Nations?, UN?) mandate (usually mandate is granted by some other entity)? Did the war erupt on account of the end of the mandate or the establishment of Israel (I'm guessing the latter)? Dhtwiki ( talk) 22:31, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello all, just FYI I created an updated version of the chart, with only the data since 2020. On the topic, I was wondering if anyone has an explanation for the macro trends in the data (steady decline 2013–2020, near-zero in 2020, steep rise 2021–2022, slower rise 2023). Exobiotic 💬 ✒️ 15:01, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
As some of you may know, I generally clear out the 150-200 shortest articles on every drive. I don't list them on the drive page, because it becomes too bloated. That number approximately matches the backlog reduction for each drive. I will not be doing that for the May drive. I encourage any/all of you to take on that task. (I hate it when a drive doesn't provide a net backlog reduction.) Thanks and good editing! Lfstevens ( talk) 19:08, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
I noticed that the article William I, Count of Nassau-Siegen has been edited. Phrases that were split with references were combined with the references. They were split because the references to the phrases were different, the reference books did not give the same information for both parts. This is no longer clear now. Furthermore, texts have been modified in such a way that they no longer correspond to what is written in the reference books. Please remove my name from the article history, so that I cannot be associated any longer with this article. Regards, Roelof Hendrickx ( talk) 17:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi, if I'm not mistaken, there are no more articles from Jan 2023 needing copy editing. Since I'm not sure how (or if I can/am supposed to), can someone change "Help improve our oldest backlogged articles (January 2023)" in the "How you can help" section to the link to the Feb 2023 articles? Thanks. GoldRomean ( talk) 01:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Wanted: new Guild coordinators! Nominations for candidates in the
mid-year Election of Coordinators is now open. We welcome self-nominations. Our month-long backlog-reduction drive, focusing on the January–March 2023 backlog and January–April 2024 requests, has ended. Barnstars will be distributed shortly. |
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I am requesting the {{ Big Blue Button}} template be added somewhere on the page. The template looks like a big blue button with text saying, "Click this button. Copy edit an article." I feel like this button would be useful for those who want to help with copyediting. - Master of Hedgehogs ( converse) ( hate that hedgehog!) 13:13, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello,
We have a grammar question about using commas in a sentence. We are currently editing the Israel page and have questions about comma use in regards to the below proposed sentence:
"Israel declared its establishment on 14 May 1948, the day the British terminated the Mandate, and the First Arab–Israeli War erupted."
I think the two commas in the above sentence are structurally offsetting a “nonessential clause” [1] [2] [3]. I think that this means a nonessential clause is something that can be removed without changing the core meaning of a sentence. Since two commas are placed around the British Mandate portion, and since that portion is grammatically removable, I think that portion is grammatically a nonessential clause. Removing the non-restrictive portion, the sentence becomes
“Israel declared its establishment on 14 May 1948 and the First Arab–Israeli War erupted.”
I think this is problematic because I think it gives the impression that Israel declared establishment, and the war immediately broke out. The war actually broke out the next day from an attack.
So I recommended changing to list format to avoid using nonessential elements:
@ Makeandtoss thinks that I may be overthinking the grammar and interpretation, so this is why I am seeking clarification about the grammar and whether or not the British terminating the Mandate is being used as a nonessential element in the sentence: "Israel declared its establishment on 14 May 1948, the day the British terminated the Mandate, and the First Arab–Israeli War erupted."
If it is being used non essentially, are there any suggestions on how we can improve the sentence grammar or how to rewrite the sentence?
Thank you! Wafflefrites ( talk) 18:54, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Israel declared its establishment on 14 May 1948, the day the British terminated the Mandate and the First Arab–Israeli War erupted.Otherwise, the sentence seems muddied and perhaps run-on. Could the British "terminate" the (League of Nations?, UN?) mandate (usually mandate is granted by some other entity)? Did the war erupt on account of the end of the mandate or the establishment of Israel (I'm guessing the latter)? Dhtwiki ( talk) 22:31, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello all, just FYI I created an updated version of the chart, with only the data since 2020. On the topic, I was wondering if anyone has an explanation for the macro trends in the data (steady decline 2013–2020, near-zero in 2020, steep rise 2021–2022, slower rise 2023). Exobiotic 💬 ✒️ 15:01, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
As some of you may know, I generally clear out the 150-200 shortest articles on every drive. I don't list them on the drive page, because it becomes too bloated. That number approximately matches the backlog reduction for each drive. I will not be doing that for the May drive. I encourage any/all of you to take on that task. (I hate it when a drive doesn't provide a net backlog reduction.) Thanks and good editing! Lfstevens ( talk) 19:08, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
I noticed that the article William I, Count of Nassau-Siegen has been edited. Phrases that were split with references were combined with the references. They were split because the references to the phrases were different, the reference books did not give the same information for both parts. This is no longer clear now. Furthermore, texts have been modified in such a way that they no longer correspond to what is written in the reference books. Please remove my name from the article history, so that I cannot be associated any longer with this article. Regards, Roelof Hendrickx ( talk) 17:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi, if I'm not mistaken, there are no more articles from Jan 2023 needing copy editing. Since I'm not sure how (or if I can/am supposed to), can someone change "Help improve our oldest backlogged articles (January 2023)" in the "How you can help" section to the link to the Feb 2023 articles? Thanks. GoldRomean ( talk) 01:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)