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I noticed we haven't really utilized the new "Exhibition wins" subheading. We did for the TaylorMade event, the event that precipitated the original discussion, but that seems to be it.
A few minutes ago I created an "Exhibition wins" subheading category for Fred Couples. Couples seems to have won more of these events than any golfer I have heard of so I thought it would be a good place to start. However, I know this is a new category that doesn't seem to be firmly defined yet. Other members may have some issue with some of the events I deemed to be an "exhibition" so I am bringing it up here. If anyone would like to make revisions to his page please do so.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 04:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Is anyone able to provide reliable sources that discuss "exhibition" status of events and/or a list of what does and doesn't qualify as one? If not, we shouldn't be inventing such a categorisation and arbitrarily deciding what goes in it. Also, are these events actually being included as "professional wins" by the wider world? wjemather please leave a message... 11:41, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
The Match is not a professional event and neither are the others mentioned they are not listed by any source as a professional win either. It is crazy some of the events that you guys are even talking about. 77.75.244.29 ( talk) 07:50, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Nobody including the PGA Tour or any other site are including wins in "The Match" or the Taylor made driving for relief as professional Wins. They are classed as exhibition Wins sourced by Sky Sports who covered the the Taylormade event, and I ask you to check out a BBC article on the Brookes v Bryson match which clearly states the exhibition nature of that event. People need to look around. 77.75.244.29 ( talk) 07:46, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Well it looks like The match were exhibition events after all and not added as Other wins on players resumes. I have found nearly 20 third party sources that list the TaylorMade Driving Relief as an exhibition event. How many do I need to add here to get it removed from the Other wins section ?. 31.200.190.146 ( talk) 21:51, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
No it is actually the host broadcaster Sky Sports who actually co-sanctioned and co hosted the event with the PGA. They called it an exhibition event. So i think in fairness they would know what type of tournament they were showing wouldn't you agree ?. I have a link to prove this I have more from other respected sports broadcasters referencing the above event the Taylor Made Driving Relief as a charity exhibition event. I can add links to support. I would like the TaylorMade Driving Relief removed from the professional wins section as it is clearly defined as a charity exhibition. Rather like "The Match" which is much the same with it's two man team exhibition format 178.167.247.64 ( talk) 11:45, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
I have evidence to suggest that this event was a charity exhibition and I want it removed from the professional wins section. So where do I need to go to make that happen ?. 178.167.155.9 ( talk) 01:01, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Here we go 1- Much of the sections on her golfing from 2005 to 2015 is unreferenced. 2- There is a unreferenced mention of her winning a tournament in Windsor but the win isn't in her pro wins sections. 3- Do we need this much detail in an article. She was the top amateur and has 3 professional victories but her article sadly dwarfs Kathy Whitworth who has 88 tour wins. Thoughts? ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:37, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone here know if the two WGC tournaments that aren't on the schedule this season will be returning? Johnsmith2116 ( talk) 13:47, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
I've reverted a couple of additions at OWGR and WWGR. I don't think there's any way we'd want to be maintaining a weekly top 20 list in these articles or anywhere else (per WP:NOSTATS). I do maintain a top 10 list at List of male golfers who have been in the world top 10 but I only do that because of some comments in the past. Nigej ( talk) 06:11, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
There is a discussion underway regarding the titles of the following two articles:
Please see Talk:Chronological list of men's major golf champions#Requested move 12 February 2022 to contribute. Thanks. wjemather please leave a message... 09:06, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
I recently created a page for the Minnesota State Amateur. For the table, most of the information is there but I'm still missing a decent amount from two columns. The main source (starting on page 143) did not have the scores from the match play era or the runner-ups from the stroke play era. I did some research and found some of the missing info but not a ton. If anyone can add anything that would be great.
I also have one more small question: per WP: MOS do we add military titles in these golf articles? According to this source, the runner-up in the 1935 event was Colonel Chauncey Griggs. I included the military title in the table. However, I have noticed that we have taken out military titles in other pages. For example, Lieutenant H.M. Ballinghall won the South African Amateur Championship (golf) in 1905 and 1906. I originally included his title when I created the page but it was then deleted. Any information would be helpful.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 14:25, 16 February 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
I recently came across old PGA Tour Media Guides like this one from 1972. On page 7 they list the full "1972 Tour Schedule" which includes all of the "official events" for that year's PGA Tour as well as a number of minor events (e.g. Little Crosby Pro-Am, Mini-Nelson Satellite, Caribbean Tour events). I was thinking about adding all of these minor events to our seasonal calendars (which already include the "official" events). I wanted to know what other people thought.
In addition, as full disclosure, I would like to mention that User:Wjemather and I had a discussion about this matter on his talk page. We did not come to consensus which is why I bring it up here. All members are free to contribute. Thanks!
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 06:21, 19 February 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Not sure where the Player Championship eligibility requirements are sourced from, but there seems to be several differences in the media guide (in bold below). Is the media guide wrong or wikipedia? https://pgatourmedia.pgatourhq.com/static-assets/page/files/tours/2022/pgatour/theplayerschampionship/eventMediaGuide/THE%20PLAYERS%202022%20Media%20Guide.pdf
• Winners of PGA TOUR cosponsored or approved tournaments, whose victories are considered official since the last played PLAYERS Championship. • The top 125 players from the 2020-21 FedExCup Points List. • Winners of the Masters Tournament from the years 2017-2021. • Winners of THE PLAYERS Championship and The Open Championship from 2016-2019 and 2021. • Winners of the U.S. Open and PGA Championship from 2016-2021. • Winner of the FedExCup from the 2018/19-2020/21 seasons. • Winners of the World Golf Championships-Mexico Championship from 2019-2021. • Winners of the World Golf Championships-Dell Technologies Match Play from 2018, 2019 and 2021. • Winners of the World Golf Championships-FedEx St. Jude Invitational from 2018-2021. • Winners of the World Golf Championships-HSBC Champions from 2018 and 2019. • Winners of The Genesis Invitational from 2020-2022. • Winners of the Arnold Palmer Invitational presented by Mastercard from 2019-2022. • Winners of the Memorial Tournament presented by Workday from the years 2018-2021. • Current Men’s Golf Olympic Gold Medalist (one-year only). • The top 50 players from the Official World Golf Ranking through The Honda Classic (Monday, February 28, 2022). • The top 10 players from the 2021-22 FedExCup Points List through The Honda Classic. • The winner of the previous year’s Bridgestone SENIOR PLAYERS Championship. • The leading points winner from the 2020-21 Top 25 Korn Ferry Tour Regular Season Points List and points earned in the Korn Ferry Tour Finals and the leading points winner from the 2021 Korn Ferry Tour Finals. • If necessary to complete a field of 144 players, PGA TOUR members from the 2021-22 FedExCup Points List below 10th position though The Honda Classic (February 28, 2022), in order of their positions on such list.
Jopal22 ( talk) 16:18, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Jopal22 ( talk) 16:28, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Someone changed the 2022 Players to be "48th Players Championship, and the 40th edition played on the Stadium Course at TPC Sawgrass". This was then changed back. Don't know what other RS say, but the media guide agrees with it being the 40th (see page 132) and that the 2020 Players was "cancelled". This means 2020 edition is not counted, and so for instance Matsuyama's round of 63 isn't included in the lowest rounds at Sawgrass records (it is in TPC at Sawgrass page). Jopal22 ( talk) 15:52, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Golf/NGOLF for a proposal to replace the current golf notability guideline in the wake of the recent NSPORTS RFC. I have started discussion on the talk page there, for comments and suggestions. Thanks. wjemather please leave a message... 14:18, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
I noticed that a user recently created some early PGA Tour calendars (e.g. 1916 PGA Tour, 1920 PGA Tour). Overall, I like this idea (and have even contributed a little to these pages) but I think this user might be jumping the gun a little bit.
First off, the source being used is from a website called Kronish sports. I have never heard of it before and I'm not sure if it's reliable.
Most importantly, though, I think these pages may be examples of original research. Basically, these pages seem to imply that each year there was a discrete unit of events under the auspices of some coherent tour. I'm not necessarily sure of that. An independent PGA Tour did not exist until the 1960s/1970s (its wiki page says 1929) and the tour did some serious historical revisionism in the late 1980s retroactively counting a lot of early events as PGA Tour-level. So these tournaments may have been in fact a bunch of unrelated, isolated events that were only retroactively given PGA Tour status until the late 1980s. This all may be misleading to the reader. I don't know much about early 20th century golf, however, and would like to hear other thoughts.
Thanks,
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 07:32, 16 March 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
As the creator of the early "PGA Tour" articles regarding the 1910s and 1920s, I agree with most of the commenters here. There are well-sourced Wikipedia pages for the tournaments and golfers of the period and I thought these pages would match the style guidelines of the current PGA Tour season articles. But as noted here the events were retroactively considered PGA Tour events, the date of the start of the tour is debatable and the tour's record-keeping is somewhat shoddy so sourcing these articles is difficult and would agree Kronish Sports is not an ideal source. Would not be opposed to their deletion if that is the consensus.
The tables for the pool stages are fairly cumbersome and somewhat unfriendly to editors wanting to update them, so I've been looking for a more elegant solution. Module:Sports results and Module:Sports_table seem to have the functionality needed (with a bit of customising), and enable easier entering of results and reordering of tables. Here is an example of what can be produced from these modules using last year's Pool A:
Pos | Seed | Player | W | T | L | Pts |
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1 | 41 |
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1 | 2 | 0 | 2 |
T2 | 1 |
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1 | 1 | 1 | 1.5 |
T2 | 61 |
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1 | 1 | 1 | 1.5 |
4 | 28 |
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1 | 0 | 2 | 1 |
Thoughts please. Thanks. wjemather please leave a message... 10:43, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
As there are only three games, I'd be tempted to get rid of separate tables and combine them. i.e. instead of a W D L column have Game 1, Game 2, Game 3. So Robert MacIntyre's columns would be "Tied vs DJ", "Won vs KN (2 & 1)", "Tied vs AL", and then the points column of "2". That is assuming that was the order he played them obviously (you can't tell the order of games from the tables above). Jopal22 ( talk) 21:02, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Example:
Rank | Player | Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Pts |
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1 |
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Tied vs AH | Win vs BW (5 & 4) | Win vs DJ (3&1) | 2.5 |
2 |
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Tied vs KK | Win vs DJ (4 & 3) | Tied vs BW | 2 |
3 |
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Win vs DJ (3 & 1) | Loss vs KK (5 & 4) | Tied vs AH | 1.5 |
4 |
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Loss vs BW (3 & 1) | Loss vs DJ (4 & 3) | Loss vs DJ (3&1) | 0 |
Jopal22 ( talk) 22:25, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
My two cents: I like this table above created by Jopal22 the most.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 04:54, 23 March 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
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Rank | Player | Pld | W | L | T | Pts | Results |
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3 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 2.5 | T v Hadwin; W v Weisburger (5 & 4); W v Johnson (3 & 1) |
2 |
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3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 2 | T v Kisner; W v Johnson (4 & 3); T v Weisburger |
3 |
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3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1.5 | W v Johnson (3 & 1); L v Kisner (5 & 4); T v Hadwin |
4 |
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3 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | L v Wiesberger (3 & 1); L v Hadwin (4 & 3); L v Kisner (3 & 1) |
Jopal22 ( talk) 12:52, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
If we merge into one table, I think the match results would be clearer in their own columns, as in your first example; something like this maybe:
Rank | Player (seed) | Pld | W | L | T | Pts | Match results | ||
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1 |
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3 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 2.5 | Tied Hadwin | Beat Weisburger 5 & 4 | Beat Johnson 3 & 1 |
2 |
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3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 2 | Tied Kisner | Beat Johnson 4 & 3 | Tied Weisburger |
3 |
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3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1.5 | Beat Johnson 3 & 1 | Lost to Kisner 5 & 4 | Tied Hadwin |
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3 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Lost to Wiesberger 3 & 1 | Lost to Hadwin 4 & 3 | Lost to Kisner 3 & 1 |
wjemather please leave a message... 13:38, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
I think that works. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 18:22, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
I've cobbled something together. Needs a bit of tuning. 1. Do we need the tables to be a consistent width? 2. Does someone lose 1 up or lose 1 down or even lose by 1 hole? 3. How to handle Casey's CON. Perhaps a footnote would be better. 4. I haven't bothered at this stage with ties for position. Nigej ( talk) 07:46, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
"Beat Casey ( conc.)"with an explanatory footnote. wjemather please leave a message... 08:18, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Side note: I am vehemently opposed to putting flags in the next round of the bracket before the player is determined. To me that seems about as useful as putting "Kevin" in the next round of the bracket if Kevin Na and Kevin Kisner are playing each other. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 02:24, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
I've created a 2022 PGA Championship article. As often it seems to be difficult to find a decent source for the entry criteria. I've put something together based on previous years and Rob Bolton's weekly article at https://www.pgatour.com/fantasy/major-qualifiers.html . If anyone knows of something better please include it there. Nigej ( talk) 14:03, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Currently we have a few hundred "succession boxes" at the bottom of our major championship articles, eg in 2022 Masters Tournament:
Most men's majors back to about 1980 have these, but in earlier years usage is more haphazard (the earliest is in the 1936 Open). Personally I don't find these at all useful and the style is dominating relative to its importance. Succession boxes were popular in the early days of Wikipedia but have gone out of fashion, navboxes being preferred in many cases, eg:
I have changed this navbox so that it is "auto-expanded" (you might need to "purge" to see it auto-expanded) and it seems to me that the succession boxes largely duplicate this navbox. My proposal is that we remove the succession boxes. Currently we don't have an equivalent navbox for the women or seniors but personally I think a navbox for these is a better way forward. Nigej ( talk) 08:44, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 20:12, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
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Due to PeeJay's recent edits at AT&T Byron Nelson, it looks like it's time to revisit this topic. Here's the previous discussion for reference. The question is, should golf tournament winner lists go from most recent to earliest or vice versa? pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 03:57, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
I would agree with Wjemather’s most recent point and as a reader of these pages myself, feel more interest and makes more sense to me in seeing most recent winners first. Jimmymci234 ( talk) 12:42, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
As discussed before, keep it as is (most recent tournament first). I find MOS unclear myself. As a note, other sporting pages do reverse order as well, including ones which have recently passed a "featured article" review process e.g. Johnny Owen Jopal22 ( talk) 17:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
I guess I'd like to know why MOS says what it does. Without knowing that, WP:IAR seems to apply since we have a longstanding consensus. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 02:59, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
I noticed this article recently from golf journalist Shane Ryan. He participated briefly in the discussion about the List of men's major championships winning golfers page we were thinking about deleting. (I was barely involved and don't know much about it.)
Anyway, I thought it may be of some interest...
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 05:46, 3 June 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
I was thinking about making a page for this event. I recently created a page for the Australian golfer Vic Bennetts who won the event in 1976. In addition he had several other top results in the event during the 1970s. However, I have a few reservations:
Thanks!
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 05:35, 3 June 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
In the infobox, there is a "Retired" date line. I wasn't sure to use the date they retire as a touring professional or as a club professional. The infobox seems to focus far more on tournament golf however they don't usually fully retire from the golf industry until the club pro work stops. Any advice would be much appreciated.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 15:47, 4 June 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Most American players don't "retire" until they've lost PGA Tour status and don't think they can get it back. There have been European players who retired when still exempt on the European Tour ( Robert-Jan Derksen comes to mind). But there are countless examples all around the world of players retiring and then coming back, or retiring except for a few tournaments they still played. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 19:14, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
I'm looking for a title for the Professional Golfers' Association (Great Britain and Ireland)'s "flagship tournament" ( https://www.pga.info/news/cort-and-higgins-tied-at-the-top-at-slaley-hall/) officially (and confusingly) called the PGA Professional Championship. We already have an article PGA Professional Championship for the corresponding US event so I'm thinking PGA Professional Championship (Great Britain and Ireland) might be a suitable name (based on the PGA article name). Until 2007 it was called the PGA Club Professional Championship but that title is already used as a redirect to the US event. In the media it was sometimes called the PGA Club Professionals' Championship (or similar), but it's not clear if that was ever an official title. The event started in 1973, seemingly as a way of selecting a team for the inaugural Diamondhead Cup (forerunner of the PGA Cup). Various sponsors over the years MacGregor, Wilson, Glenmuir. Some events held in the Republic of Ireland so the title needs to reflect that. Plenty of sources, eg: https://pgagbi.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/pgagbi22/event/pgagbi22237/agendas.htm?type=1&stype=12&hagenda=aab6ae8f-b7fd-4f3b-8c26-174ede1d6b94 https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=pJVAAAAAIBAJ&pg=6237%2C2060446 https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Qg01AAAAIBAJ&pg=4129%2C2669254 https://web.archive.org/web/20020628132827/http://www.pga.info/articles.asp?id=197
I was looking to make a page for this event, in the area of the country where I now live. It appears there are two totally separate events, one held in the 1930s and another modern one. I have this link from the Boston Globe that is previewing the 1930 event. On the wiki page of Jim Barnes it says he won this event (no citation however) under PGA Tour wins. I believe I also saw a victory noted on the page of a contemporaneous golfer a while back however I can't find it now.
In addition, there is a modern event. The modern event was founded in 1992 by a man named Jim Gaquin. Here is the tournament's homepage. I have this a 1994 link that states that Geoffrey Sisk, a notable local pro, won the event that year. It also says on the page of Jeff Julian (golfer) that he won the 2000 Cape Cod Open. (There doesn't appear to be a working citation for it though.)
Basically I was wondering if either of these events are notable. For the earlier one, I think so, even if it was held only once, as it looks like it was PGA Tour-level. With the more recent one, not so sure. Wondering what other people thought.
Thanks, Oogglywoogly ( talk) 19:13, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
I was looking to make a page for this event. According to this article from the Age, Randall Vines won the 1966 City of Cairns Open. Four years later, according to this article from the Sydney Morning Herald, there was a City of Cairns Open in 1970. I have a secondary source that says that Vic Bennetts won the 1971 Cairns Open. On the sandbox of User: Wjemather it says that Bob Taylor won the 1973 City of Cairns Open and Vines won again the following year. In addition, it looks like some variation of this event was going through the 1980s. According to this article from the Sydney Morning Herald, Mark Nash won the 1983 City of Cairns Open. I was wondering if this was all the same event. Any help would be much appreciated.
Thank you, Oogglywoogly ( talk) 20:06, 28 June 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Please see the following discussions:
Thanks. wjemather please leave a message... 08:30, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
I have noticed that we have been tabulating the year-by-year wins of early 20th century PGA Tour golfers. For example, see the Professional wins sections of Jim Barnes, Walter Hagen, Jug McSpaden, and many others. I find this arrangement completely unnecessary as counting the seasonal wins is not that hard (golfers rarely win more than one or two events in a season). I'm not sure what WP:MOS says about this but, to me, these parenthetical wins totals seems like a total distraction to the reader.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 18:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Jimmymci234 ( talk) 19:08, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
It seems like the Cazoo Classic may have been, like the Hero Open, dissociated from the English Open. The history page only shows the 2021 event. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 22:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Not necessarily as I read this article from the tour the other day. [6] Jimmymci234 ( talk) 05:33, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Please see the following discussions:
Thanks, wjemather please leave a message... 11:05, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Hello all,
I am nominating List of Great Britain and Ireland PGA Cup golfers and List of American PGA Cup golfers in a bundle. The deletion page is here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Great Britain and Ireland PGA Cup golfers.
I would like to note that the instructions advised me to contact the author of the page and notify him/her of the proposed deletion. I did and noticed it was User:Nigej. I was shocked and somewhat saddened it was him. He is one of our best contributors and has helped me out a lot. However, I have been planning to propose these pages for deletion for awhile so I am still going ahead. I feel like the pages fail Wikipedia:NLIST.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 03:12, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
With the update of the OWGR website and new points system, they seem to be calculating 1st place points up to 5 decimal points. My question is in terms of displaying points in tour schedule pages: are we best to summarise the points to either a) nearest whole number, b) maybe 2/3 decimal points. I think the full 5 decimal points seems a bit much, but please let me know your thoughts. Thanks. Jimmymci234 ( talk) 09:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
The fine detail of the new system is difficult to work out, but the one area that is (relatively) clear is the way the "field ranking" converts to the points the players get. The "field ranking" is meant to be total number of points allocated to all the players in the event. The system is broadly the same as previously except that points are now allocated to all those who make the cut. As an example for the St Jude this week the field ranking is 398.58063 and the cut is 65 and ties. They're still using the old percentages (100 for 1st, 60 for 2nd, 40 for 3rd, ... 2.5 for 50th etc - see https://web.archive.org/web/20220325020926/http://www.owgr.com/archive/Web/WorldRankingPointsBreakdown.pdf), although it has had to be extended - previously the table only went to 60th. Add these up from 1st to 65th ie 100+60+40+32+...+1.36+1.32=581.42. So the winner will get 398.58063/5.8142=68.55296. Clearly more than 65 might make the cut but (as I understand it, might be wrong) the 68.55296 will stay the same and the total number of points allocated will be slightly more that the 398.58063 it's supposed to be. Nigej ( talk) 06:36, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
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I noticed we haven't really utilized the new "Exhibition wins" subheading. We did for the TaylorMade event, the event that precipitated the original discussion, but that seems to be it.
A few minutes ago I created an "Exhibition wins" subheading category for Fred Couples. Couples seems to have won more of these events than any golfer I have heard of so I thought it would be a good place to start. However, I know this is a new category that doesn't seem to be firmly defined yet. Other members may have some issue with some of the events I deemed to be an "exhibition" so I am bringing it up here. If anyone would like to make revisions to his page please do so.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 04:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Is anyone able to provide reliable sources that discuss "exhibition" status of events and/or a list of what does and doesn't qualify as one? If not, we shouldn't be inventing such a categorisation and arbitrarily deciding what goes in it. Also, are these events actually being included as "professional wins" by the wider world? wjemather please leave a message... 11:41, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
The Match is not a professional event and neither are the others mentioned they are not listed by any source as a professional win either. It is crazy some of the events that you guys are even talking about. 77.75.244.29 ( talk) 07:50, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Nobody including the PGA Tour or any other site are including wins in "The Match" or the Taylor made driving for relief as professional Wins. They are classed as exhibition Wins sourced by Sky Sports who covered the the Taylormade event, and I ask you to check out a BBC article on the Brookes v Bryson match which clearly states the exhibition nature of that event. People need to look around. 77.75.244.29 ( talk) 07:46, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Well it looks like The match were exhibition events after all and not added as Other wins on players resumes. I have found nearly 20 third party sources that list the TaylorMade Driving Relief as an exhibition event. How many do I need to add here to get it removed from the Other wins section ?. 31.200.190.146 ( talk) 21:51, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
No it is actually the host broadcaster Sky Sports who actually co-sanctioned and co hosted the event with the PGA. They called it an exhibition event. So i think in fairness they would know what type of tournament they were showing wouldn't you agree ?. I have a link to prove this I have more from other respected sports broadcasters referencing the above event the Taylor Made Driving Relief as a charity exhibition event. I can add links to support. I would like the TaylorMade Driving Relief removed from the professional wins section as it is clearly defined as a charity exhibition. Rather like "The Match" which is much the same with it's two man team exhibition format 178.167.247.64 ( talk) 11:45, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
I have evidence to suggest that this event was a charity exhibition and I want it removed from the professional wins section. So where do I need to go to make that happen ?. 178.167.155.9 ( talk) 01:01, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Here we go 1- Much of the sections on her golfing from 2005 to 2015 is unreferenced. 2- There is a unreferenced mention of her winning a tournament in Windsor but the win isn't in her pro wins sections. 3- Do we need this much detail in an article. She was the top amateur and has 3 professional victories but her article sadly dwarfs Kathy Whitworth who has 88 tour wins. Thoughts? ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:37, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone here know if the two WGC tournaments that aren't on the schedule this season will be returning? Johnsmith2116 ( talk) 13:47, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
I've reverted a couple of additions at OWGR and WWGR. I don't think there's any way we'd want to be maintaining a weekly top 20 list in these articles or anywhere else (per WP:NOSTATS). I do maintain a top 10 list at List of male golfers who have been in the world top 10 but I only do that because of some comments in the past. Nigej ( talk) 06:11, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
There is a discussion underway regarding the titles of the following two articles:
Please see Talk:Chronological list of men's major golf champions#Requested move 12 February 2022 to contribute. Thanks. wjemather please leave a message... 09:06, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
I recently created a page for the Minnesota State Amateur. For the table, most of the information is there but I'm still missing a decent amount from two columns. The main source (starting on page 143) did not have the scores from the match play era or the runner-ups from the stroke play era. I did some research and found some of the missing info but not a ton. If anyone can add anything that would be great.
I also have one more small question: per WP: MOS do we add military titles in these golf articles? According to this source, the runner-up in the 1935 event was Colonel Chauncey Griggs. I included the military title in the table. However, I have noticed that we have taken out military titles in other pages. For example, Lieutenant H.M. Ballinghall won the South African Amateur Championship (golf) in 1905 and 1906. I originally included his title when I created the page but it was then deleted. Any information would be helpful.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 14:25, 16 February 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
I recently came across old PGA Tour Media Guides like this one from 1972. On page 7 they list the full "1972 Tour Schedule" which includes all of the "official events" for that year's PGA Tour as well as a number of minor events (e.g. Little Crosby Pro-Am, Mini-Nelson Satellite, Caribbean Tour events). I was thinking about adding all of these minor events to our seasonal calendars (which already include the "official" events). I wanted to know what other people thought.
In addition, as full disclosure, I would like to mention that User:Wjemather and I had a discussion about this matter on his talk page. We did not come to consensus which is why I bring it up here. All members are free to contribute. Thanks!
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 06:21, 19 February 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Not sure where the Player Championship eligibility requirements are sourced from, but there seems to be several differences in the media guide (in bold below). Is the media guide wrong or wikipedia? https://pgatourmedia.pgatourhq.com/static-assets/page/files/tours/2022/pgatour/theplayerschampionship/eventMediaGuide/THE%20PLAYERS%202022%20Media%20Guide.pdf
• Winners of PGA TOUR cosponsored or approved tournaments, whose victories are considered official since the last played PLAYERS Championship. • The top 125 players from the 2020-21 FedExCup Points List. • Winners of the Masters Tournament from the years 2017-2021. • Winners of THE PLAYERS Championship and The Open Championship from 2016-2019 and 2021. • Winners of the U.S. Open and PGA Championship from 2016-2021. • Winner of the FedExCup from the 2018/19-2020/21 seasons. • Winners of the World Golf Championships-Mexico Championship from 2019-2021. • Winners of the World Golf Championships-Dell Technologies Match Play from 2018, 2019 and 2021. • Winners of the World Golf Championships-FedEx St. Jude Invitational from 2018-2021. • Winners of the World Golf Championships-HSBC Champions from 2018 and 2019. • Winners of The Genesis Invitational from 2020-2022. • Winners of the Arnold Palmer Invitational presented by Mastercard from 2019-2022. • Winners of the Memorial Tournament presented by Workday from the years 2018-2021. • Current Men’s Golf Olympic Gold Medalist (one-year only). • The top 50 players from the Official World Golf Ranking through The Honda Classic (Monday, February 28, 2022). • The top 10 players from the 2021-22 FedExCup Points List through The Honda Classic. • The winner of the previous year’s Bridgestone SENIOR PLAYERS Championship. • The leading points winner from the 2020-21 Top 25 Korn Ferry Tour Regular Season Points List and points earned in the Korn Ferry Tour Finals and the leading points winner from the 2021 Korn Ferry Tour Finals. • If necessary to complete a field of 144 players, PGA TOUR members from the 2021-22 FedExCup Points List below 10th position though The Honda Classic (February 28, 2022), in order of their positions on such list.
Jopal22 ( talk) 16:18, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Jopal22 ( talk) 16:28, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Someone changed the 2022 Players to be "48th Players Championship, and the 40th edition played on the Stadium Course at TPC Sawgrass". This was then changed back. Don't know what other RS say, but the media guide agrees with it being the 40th (see page 132) and that the 2020 Players was "cancelled". This means 2020 edition is not counted, and so for instance Matsuyama's round of 63 isn't included in the lowest rounds at Sawgrass records (it is in TPC at Sawgrass page). Jopal22 ( talk) 15:52, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Golf/NGOLF for a proposal to replace the current golf notability guideline in the wake of the recent NSPORTS RFC. I have started discussion on the talk page there, for comments and suggestions. Thanks. wjemather please leave a message... 14:18, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
I noticed that a user recently created some early PGA Tour calendars (e.g. 1916 PGA Tour, 1920 PGA Tour). Overall, I like this idea (and have even contributed a little to these pages) but I think this user might be jumping the gun a little bit.
First off, the source being used is from a website called Kronish sports. I have never heard of it before and I'm not sure if it's reliable.
Most importantly, though, I think these pages may be examples of original research. Basically, these pages seem to imply that each year there was a discrete unit of events under the auspices of some coherent tour. I'm not necessarily sure of that. An independent PGA Tour did not exist until the 1960s/1970s (its wiki page says 1929) and the tour did some serious historical revisionism in the late 1980s retroactively counting a lot of early events as PGA Tour-level. So these tournaments may have been in fact a bunch of unrelated, isolated events that were only retroactively given PGA Tour status until the late 1980s. This all may be misleading to the reader. I don't know much about early 20th century golf, however, and would like to hear other thoughts.
Thanks,
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 07:32, 16 March 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
As the creator of the early "PGA Tour" articles regarding the 1910s and 1920s, I agree with most of the commenters here. There are well-sourced Wikipedia pages for the tournaments and golfers of the period and I thought these pages would match the style guidelines of the current PGA Tour season articles. But as noted here the events were retroactively considered PGA Tour events, the date of the start of the tour is debatable and the tour's record-keeping is somewhat shoddy so sourcing these articles is difficult and would agree Kronish Sports is not an ideal source. Would not be opposed to their deletion if that is the consensus.
The tables for the pool stages are fairly cumbersome and somewhat unfriendly to editors wanting to update them, so I've been looking for a more elegant solution. Module:Sports results and Module:Sports_table seem to have the functionality needed (with a bit of customising), and enable easier entering of results and reordering of tables. Here is an example of what can be produced from these modules using last year's Pool A:
Pos | Seed | Player | W | T | L | Pts |
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1 | 41 |
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1 | 2 | 0 | 2 |
T2 | 1 |
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1 | 1 | 1 | 1.5 |
T2 | 61 |
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1 | 1 | 1 | 1.5 |
4 | 28 |
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1 | 0 | 2 | 1 |
Thoughts please. Thanks. wjemather please leave a message... 10:43, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
As there are only three games, I'd be tempted to get rid of separate tables and combine them. i.e. instead of a W D L column have Game 1, Game 2, Game 3. So Robert MacIntyre's columns would be "Tied vs DJ", "Won vs KN (2 & 1)", "Tied vs AL", and then the points column of "2". That is assuming that was the order he played them obviously (you can't tell the order of games from the tables above). Jopal22 ( talk) 21:02, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Example:
Rank | Player | Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Pts |
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1 |
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Tied vs AH | Win vs BW (5 & 4) | Win vs DJ (3&1) | 2.5 |
2 |
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Tied vs KK | Win vs DJ (4 & 3) | Tied vs BW | 2 |
3 |
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Win vs DJ (3 & 1) | Loss vs KK (5 & 4) | Tied vs AH | 1.5 |
4 |
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Loss vs BW (3 & 1) | Loss vs DJ (4 & 3) | Loss vs DJ (3&1) | 0 |
Jopal22 ( talk) 22:25, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
My two cents: I like this table above created by Jopal22 the most.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 04:54, 23 March 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
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Rank | Player | Pld | W | L | T | Pts | Results |
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3 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 2.5 | T v Hadwin; W v Weisburger (5 & 4); W v Johnson (3 & 1) |
2 |
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3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 2 | T v Kisner; W v Johnson (4 & 3); T v Weisburger |
3 |
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3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1.5 | W v Johnson (3 & 1); L v Kisner (5 & 4); T v Hadwin |
4 |
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3 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | L v Wiesberger (3 & 1); L v Hadwin (4 & 3); L v Kisner (3 & 1) |
Jopal22 ( talk) 12:52, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
If we merge into one table, I think the match results would be clearer in their own columns, as in your first example; something like this maybe:
Rank | Player (seed) | Pld | W | L | T | Pts | Match results | ||
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1 |
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3 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 2.5 | Tied Hadwin | Beat Weisburger 5 & 4 | Beat Johnson 3 & 1 |
2 |
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3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 2 | Tied Kisner | Beat Johnson 4 & 3 | Tied Weisburger |
3 |
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3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1.5 | Beat Johnson 3 & 1 | Lost to Kisner 5 & 4 | Tied Hadwin |
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3 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Lost to Wiesberger 3 & 1 | Lost to Hadwin 4 & 3 | Lost to Kisner 3 & 1 |
wjemather please leave a message... 13:38, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
I think that works. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 18:22, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
I've cobbled something together. Needs a bit of tuning. 1. Do we need the tables to be a consistent width? 2. Does someone lose 1 up or lose 1 down or even lose by 1 hole? 3. How to handle Casey's CON. Perhaps a footnote would be better. 4. I haven't bothered at this stage with ties for position. Nigej ( talk) 07:46, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
"Beat Casey ( conc.)"with an explanatory footnote. wjemather please leave a message... 08:18, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Side note: I am vehemently opposed to putting flags in the next round of the bracket before the player is determined. To me that seems about as useful as putting "Kevin" in the next round of the bracket if Kevin Na and Kevin Kisner are playing each other. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 02:24, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
I've created a 2022 PGA Championship article. As often it seems to be difficult to find a decent source for the entry criteria. I've put something together based on previous years and Rob Bolton's weekly article at https://www.pgatour.com/fantasy/major-qualifiers.html . If anyone knows of something better please include it there. Nigej ( talk) 14:03, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Currently we have a few hundred "succession boxes" at the bottom of our major championship articles, eg in 2022 Masters Tournament:
Most men's majors back to about 1980 have these, but in earlier years usage is more haphazard (the earliest is in the 1936 Open). Personally I don't find these at all useful and the style is dominating relative to its importance. Succession boxes were popular in the early days of Wikipedia but have gone out of fashion, navboxes being preferred in many cases, eg:
I have changed this navbox so that it is "auto-expanded" (you might need to "purge" to see it auto-expanded) and it seems to me that the succession boxes largely duplicate this navbox. My proposal is that we remove the succession boxes. Currently we don't have an equivalent navbox for the women or seniors but personally I think a navbox for these is a better way forward. Nigej ( talk) 08:44, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 20:12, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
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It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{ cite web}}, {{ cite journal}} and {{ doi}}.
The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.
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Due to PeeJay's recent edits at AT&T Byron Nelson, it looks like it's time to revisit this topic. Here's the previous discussion for reference. The question is, should golf tournament winner lists go from most recent to earliest or vice versa? pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 03:57, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
I would agree with Wjemather’s most recent point and as a reader of these pages myself, feel more interest and makes more sense to me in seeing most recent winners first. Jimmymci234 ( talk) 12:42, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
As discussed before, keep it as is (most recent tournament first). I find MOS unclear myself. As a note, other sporting pages do reverse order as well, including ones which have recently passed a "featured article" review process e.g. Johnny Owen Jopal22 ( talk) 17:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
I guess I'd like to know why MOS says what it does. Without knowing that, WP:IAR seems to apply since we have a longstanding consensus. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 02:59, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
I noticed this article recently from golf journalist Shane Ryan. He participated briefly in the discussion about the List of men's major championships winning golfers page we were thinking about deleting. (I was barely involved and don't know much about it.)
Anyway, I thought it may be of some interest...
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 05:46, 3 June 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
I was thinking about making a page for this event. I recently created a page for the Australian golfer Vic Bennetts who won the event in 1976. In addition he had several other top results in the event during the 1970s. However, I have a few reservations:
Thanks!
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 05:35, 3 June 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
In the infobox, there is a "Retired" date line. I wasn't sure to use the date they retire as a touring professional or as a club professional. The infobox seems to focus far more on tournament golf however they don't usually fully retire from the golf industry until the club pro work stops. Any advice would be much appreciated.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 15:47, 4 June 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Most American players don't "retire" until they've lost PGA Tour status and don't think they can get it back. There have been European players who retired when still exempt on the European Tour ( Robert-Jan Derksen comes to mind). But there are countless examples all around the world of players retiring and then coming back, or retiring except for a few tournaments they still played. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 19:14, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
I'm looking for a title for the Professional Golfers' Association (Great Britain and Ireland)'s "flagship tournament" ( https://www.pga.info/news/cort-and-higgins-tied-at-the-top-at-slaley-hall/) officially (and confusingly) called the PGA Professional Championship. We already have an article PGA Professional Championship for the corresponding US event so I'm thinking PGA Professional Championship (Great Britain and Ireland) might be a suitable name (based on the PGA article name). Until 2007 it was called the PGA Club Professional Championship but that title is already used as a redirect to the US event. In the media it was sometimes called the PGA Club Professionals' Championship (or similar), but it's not clear if that was ever an official title. The event started in 1973, seemingly as a way of selecting a team for the inaugural Diamondhead Cup (forerunner of the PGA Cup). Various sponsors over the years MacGregor, Wilson, Glenmuir. Some events held in the Republic of Ireland so the title needs to reflect that. Plenty of sources, eg: https://pgagbi.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/pgagbi22/event/pgagbi22237/agendas.htm?type=1&stype=12&hagenda=aab6ae8f-b7fd-4f3b-8c26-174ede1d6b94 https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=pJVAAAAAIBAJ&pg=6237%2C2060446 https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Qg01AAAAIBAJ&pg=4129%2C2669254 https://web.archive.org/web/20020628132827/http://www.pga.info/articles.asp?id=197
I was looking to make a page for this event, in the area of the country where I now live. It appears there are two totally separate events, one held in the 1930s and another modern one. I have this link from the Boston Globe that is previewing the 1930 event. On the wiki page of Jim Barnes it says he won this event (no citation however) under PGA Tour wins. I believe I also saw a victory noted on the page of a contemporaneous golfer a while back however I can't find it now.
In addition, there is a modern event. The modern event was founded in 1992 by a man named Jim Gaquin. Here is the tournament's homepage. I have this a 1994 link that states that Geoffrey Sisk, a notable local pro, won the event that year. It also says on the page of Jeff Julian (golfer) that he won the 2000 Cape Cod Open. (There doesn't appear to be a working citation for it though.)
Basically I was wondering if either of these events are notable. For the earlier one, I think so, even if it was held only once, as it looks like it was PGA Tour-level. With the more recent one, not so sure. Wondering what other people thought.
Thanks, Oogglywoogly ( talk) 19:13, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
I was looking to make a page for this event. According to this article from the Age, Randall Vines won the 1966 City of Cairns Open. Four years later, according to this article from the Sydney Morning Herald, there was a City of Cairns Open in 1970. I have a secondary source that says that Vic Bennetts won the 1971 Cairns Open. On the sandbox of User: Wjemather it says that Bob Taylor won the 1973 City of Cairns Open and Vines won again the following year. In addition, it looks like some variation of this event was going through the 1980s. According to this article from the Sydney Morning Herald, Mark Nash won the 1983 City of Cairns Open. I was wondering if this was all the same event. Any help would be much appreciated.
Thank you, Oogglywoogly ( talk) 20:06, 28 June 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
Please see the following discussions:
Thanks. wjemather please leave a message... 08:30, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
I have noticed that we have been tabulating the year-by-year wins of early 20th century PGA Tour golfers. For example, see the Professional wins sections of Jim Barnes, Walter Hagen, Jug McSpaden, and many others. I find this arrangement completely unnecessary as counting the seasonal wins is not that hard (golfers rarely win more than one or two events in a season). I'm not sure what WP:MOS says about this but, to me, these parenthetical wins totals seems like a total distraction to the reader.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 18:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Jimmymci234 ( talk) 19:08, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
It seems like the Cazoo Classic may have been, like the Hero Open, dissociated from the English Open. The history page only shows the 2021 event. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 22:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Not necessarily as I read this article from the tour the other day. [6] Jimmymci234 ( talk) 05:33, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Please see the following discussions:
Thanks, wjemather please leave a message... 11:05, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Hello all,
I am nominating List of Great Britain and Ireland PGA Cup golfers and List of American PGA Cup golfers in a bundle. The deletion page is here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Great Britain and Ireland PGA Cup golfers.
I would like to note that the instructions advised me to contact the author of the page and notify him/her of the proposed deletion. I did and noticed it was User:Nigej. I was shocked and somewhat saddened it was him. He is one of our best contributors and has helped me out a lot. However, I have been planning to propose these pages for deletion for awhile so I am still going ahead. I feel like the pages fail Wikipedia:NLIST.
Oogglywoogly ( talk) 03:12, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
With the update of the OWGR website and new points system, they seem to be calculating 1st place points up to 5 decimal points. My question is in terms of displaying points in tour schedule pages: are we best to summarise the points to either a) nearest whole number, b) maybe 2/3 decimal points. I think the full 5 decimal points seems a bit much, but please let me know your thoughts. Thanks. Jimmymci234 ( talk) 09:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
The fine detail of the new system is difficult to work out, but the one area that is (relatively) clear is the way the "field ranking" converts to the points the players get. The "field ranking" is meant to be total number of points allocated to all the players in the event. The system is broadly the same as previously except that points are now allocated to all those who make the cut. As an example for the St Jude this week the field ranking is 398.58063 and the cut is 65 and ties. They're still using the old percentages (100 for 1st, 60 for 2nd, 40 for 3rd, ... 2.5 for 50th etc - see https://web.archive.org/web/20220325020926/http://www.owgr.com/archive/Web/WorldRankingPointsBreakdown.pdf), although it has had to be extended - previously the table only went to 60th. Add these up from 1st to 65th ie 100+60+40+32+...+1.36+1.32=581.42. So the winner will get 398.58063/5.8142=68.55296. Clearly more than 65 might make the cut but (as I understand it, might be wrong) the 68.55296 will stay the same and the total number of points allocated will be slightly more that the 398.58063 it's supposed to be. Nigej ( talk) 06:36, 11 August 2022 (UTC)