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User:Bobo192 proposed the following for driver articles.
Provisional idea only - unapproved (as yet).
There should be a complete article on every driver who has completed in a Formula One race. Information in this article should be set out as follows.
..name.. (born ..month day.. ..year.., died ..month day.. ..year..) is/was a ..nationality.. ..Formula One.. driver.
And I'm thinking.. as I had set it up on the stubbed guys, there should be some kind of synopsis.
Grands Prix (as of *last race*): a starts (as of *last race*): b Pole positions (as of Race:year): c First Grand Prix: d e (where D=country/circuit and E=year) Last Grand Prix: f g (where F=country/circuit and G=year)
--Grands Prix participated in-- (change these to equals signs, and rephrase away from sloppiness)
(first Grand Prix) [Date Year (Country/Circuit Grand Prix)] [qualifying position] [qualifying time] [final race position] [points achieved in race] [xxxx (Country) Grand Prix Report]
(second Grand Prix) [Year (Country/Circuit Grand Prix)] [qualifying position] [qualifying time] [final race position] [points achieved in race] [xxxx (Country) Grand Prix Report]
...
(last Grand Prix) [Year (Country/Circuit Grand Prix)] [qualifying position] [qualifying time] [final race position] [points achieved in race] [xxxx (Country) Grand Prix Report]
(complete table)
It looks nasty there, but it'll look prettier when I set the idea up. I'll show you what I have planned for one of the drivers.
(Note: In table form, this'll be sideways instead of downways)
Ricardo Patrese:
Race Starts: 256 (or Races 257, if you prefer)
-1-
Race: Monaco Grand Prix 1977 (hyperlinked to race itself)
Date: May 22nd 1977 (not hyperlinked to anything)
Grid: (or Qual) 15 (not hyperlinked - or perhaps, if and when we get it set up, to the qualifying grid embedded in the race itself)
Time: 1 m 32.520 (both hyperlinked to minute (time) and second (time) in the first citation)
Posn: (or something of that sort): 9
Pnts: (in this case) 0
-*Last* (number 257, in actual fact)-
Race: Australian Grand Prix 1993
Date: November 7th 1993
Grid: (or Qual (position on start grid)): 9
Time: 1 m 16.077 s
Posn: (or something of that sort (position at end of race)): 8
Pnts: (in this case) 0
(begin table)
Headings:
Grand Prix Number
Grand Prix
Date
Qualifying Position
Qualifying Time
Grand Prix Final Position
Points in race
1
Grand Prix Of Monaco 1977
May 22nd 1977
15
1:32.560
9
0
...
257
Grand Prix Of Australia 1993
November 7th 1993
9
1:16.077
8
0
I promise I'll get to work on them soon. Read immediately below for my ideas.
Grand Prix Number | Grand Prix | Date | Qualifying Position | Qualifying Time | Grand Prix Final Position | Points in race |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Grand Prix of Monaco 1977 | May 22 1977 | 15 | 1:32.520 | 9 | 0 |
2 | Grand Prix of Belgium 1977 | June 5 1977 | 15 | 1:27.350 | Ret | 0 |
N | Grand Prix of country year> | [date] | [quali] | [qualitime] | [endposition] | [points] |
And then at the bottom:
Pole Positions:
(start) ([year] Grand Prix of.. [circuit/location]) ([year] Grand Prix of.. [circuit/location]) (total) (end)
Victories:
(start) ([year] Grand Prix of.. [circuit/location]) ([year] Grand Prix of.. [circuit/location]) (total) (end)
I think this is worthwhile only for the single-Grand-Prix rookie kids and no-longer-running drivers (which, since I've demonstrated with dear Ricardo..!)
It got placed at the bottom, but you get the idea. Please PM me back if you feel you would like me to change this in any way.
I think each circuit article should have an infobox on it listing important statistics such as lap records, etc.
An example:
Sepang International Circuit | |
Location | Sepang, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia |
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Major events | Formula One Grand Prix; Motorcycle Grand Prix; (etc) |
Circuit length | 5.54 km (3.44 mi) |
Lap record | 1'34.223 ( Juan Pablo Montoya, Williams BMW, 2004) |
It's a bit rough-and-ready, but this is the sort of thing I'm suggesting. Any thoughts? doctorvee 16:52, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Well I've been going through the Grand Prix pages putting in the infoboxes. But I've reached a bit of a dead end, as many circuits in the latter half of the calendar are missing a map. As I've said elsewhere, I wouldn't know how to go about creating my own. The person who drew up the maps which do exist appears to be quite busy with other things - he hasn't done anything on any Formula One articles since May. doctorvee 14:35, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Apologies if this has been thrashed out already, but what is the policy with regard to drivers who had a very minor F1 career, but were extremely successful in other forms of motorsport? A good example being Tony Marsh, who competed in only five Grands Prix and never scored a point, yet is a six-times British Hillclimb champion, still competes in hillclimbs and is considerably better known today in that capacity than he is as a Formula One driver. Loganberry 23:39, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
OK, I thought I could get the ball rolling on a shorter infobox for drivers. I've taken the stats from Schumacher's article to come up with this. It's just a rough idea and as you can see, my table editing skills aren't brilliant. Certainly, it would be good if we could get free images of driver's helmets to pretty the infoboxes up. Please feel free to improve it as you wish. SamH 10:23, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Michael Schumacher | |
(Schumi's helmet, or an image of Schumacher himself) | |
Car # | 1 |
Current team | Scuderia Ferrari |
Race starts | 212 |
World Championships | 7 (1994, 1995, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004) |
Wins | 83 |
Podium finishes | 137 |
Points | 1184 |
Pole positions | 63 |
Fastest laps | 66 |
First Grand Prix | 1991 Belgian Grand Prix |
First win | 1992 Belgian Grand Prix |
2004 Championship position | 1st (148 points) |
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Spanish Grand Prix Circuit de Catalunya |
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Laps | 65 |
Circuit length | 4.63 kilometres (2.87 miles) |
Race length | 305.26 kilometres (189.78 miles) |
2004 Winner | 1:27'32.841 ( Michael Schumacher, Ferrari) |
2004 Pole | 1'15.022 ( Michael Schumacher, Ferrari) |
2004 Fastest lap | 1'17.450 ( Michael Schumacher, Ferrari) |
We can't leave the Grands Prix out!
I've added the infobox to Austrian Grand Prix... two points though:
AlbinoMonkey 03:21, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
There are some inconsistencies with the tables of past winners on the grand prix articles. For instance, if you look at United States Grand Prix, Formula One championship events are denoted in pink, with non-championship grands prix in white. Also, should the most recent winner be at the top, or should he be at the bottom, like in Malaysian Grand Prix? Should drivers' nationalities be put in a separate cell? Should their nationalities be linked to (eg. Ayrton Senna ( Brazil)? For the location column, should the circuit be used, or the place name (eg. Sepang or Sepang International Circuit? There needs to be standardisation.
I think it is worth distinguishing non-championship events from Formula One grands prix. But I think non-championship events should be in pink, not the other way about. I think the most recent winner should be at the top. Drivers' nationalities should be put in a separate cell, and they should be linked to. And I think the circuit name should be used (although do we know names for circuits which were used 60 / 70 / 80 years ago?). What does everybody else think? doctorvee 11:21, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
...and of course the constructors aswell. doctorvee 16:01, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Williams BMW.WilliamsF1 Team | ||
200px | ||
Base | Grove, United Kingdom | |
Team principal | Frank Williams | |
Technical director | Sam Michael | |
Race drivers | 3 | Juan Pablo Montoya |
4 | Ralf Schumacher | |
Test drivers |
Antônio Pizzonia Marc Gené | |
Chassis | Williams FW26 | |
Engine | BMW P84 | |
Tyres | Michelin | |
Debut | 1978 Argentine Grand Prix | |
Races competed | 559 | |
Constructors Championships | 9 | |
Drivers Championships | 7 | |
Race victories | 112 | |
Pole positions | 123 | |
Fastest laps | 127 | |
2003 Championship position | 2nd (144 points) |
Looks good, but Grove needs redirecting. I can't remember for the life of me where to, though, because there are a number of Grove placenames on this Wikipedia. Slightly more expert knowledge, anyone? Bobo192
Most of the teams (i haven't checked all of them) have their 2004 drivers listed in the infobox, but Sauber has 2005. Should we change them all, put Sauber back, or just leave it. Since it had the 2005 drivers (Villeneuve and Massa) I changed the tyres to Michelin - so if it is decided to change them all to 2004, this should be fixed also. Regards AlbinoMonkey 04:31, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Good work with the new template. I had no idea you could use a template like that! Perhaps this is the sort of thing we should adopt for all the infoboxes now.
Also, out of interest, where did you get all those logos? Particularly the McLaren one, I've never seen that before. It looks more like something they would have had in the 1980s! doctorvee 21:48, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I think there should be something about safety regulations somewhere - either in the Formula One regulations page, on the Formula One page, Formula One cars page or just as a separate article itself. I was thinking of information on helmet construction, crash tests, wheel tether loadings, roll cage sizes, marshalls, track design?, tyre barriers...maybe a note also about serious crashes if this is not inappropriate. I am willing to do it myself, but don't have much time for a couple of weeks. Let me know if I have just missed the page/section completely! AlbinoMonkey 09:51, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I added the [[Category:Formula One engine manufacturers]] category, as a sub to [[Category:Formula One constructors]]. Hope this makes sense... Wanted to update you folks here since you're the closest to these pages :) -- Wolf530 20:55, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
I had a go at expanding the Christian Klien stub, mainly using information from his own website and GrandPrix.com, but other sources as well. It's a bit bad, as some of the things just run straight into each other (like he raced in one category, finished here. then he went onto something else, and finished there). Also I didn't know what to do with the section headings, because it looked a bit dodgy without any. I can't find a picture of him where I don't need permission to use it, so if someone could find one it would be great. I'm a bit unhappy with the quote impressive speed, because it sounds a bit biased (although I'm not a fan of his...). If anyone can make suggestions or improvements, please do so - its the first major change I've made to a page... but it needed doing. Thanks. -- AlbinoMonkey 12:42, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Does anyone think we need a page dedicated to F1 records? I have created one on my userpage ( here) as a preliminary example. BillCook, 21 Dec 2004
Having just stumbled across these pages, I'd like to make a bit of a change to the category structure and figured I'd run it through here to make sure it didn't catch anyone by surprise. Considering the large number of nation-specific articles in Category:Formula One race reports (and their associated "main" articles in Category:Formula One Grands Prix) I propose to create individual categories for each nation that has a significant number of such articles. So for example Category:Argentine Grand Prix would hold Argentine Grand Prix as well as all of the Argentine race reports, and would be subcategorized under Category:Motor racing in Argentina and Category:Formula One Grands Prix. All the race reports would still remain in Category:Formula One race reports. Doing this would make it easy to stick all these articles under their respective national sports categories. If nobody objects, I'll go ahead and do all the grunt work myself. Bryan 07:49, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I'm having a newbie moment... I guess it's like a blonde moment, but in a male. Anyway, how do I join this group? I've been updating many driver bios and I like your templates, but I still think that apart from them there should be some text to accompany them, since there's much more to the driver than the actual template (i.e. what he did before and after F1, dob, dod, etc).
Diego440 15:09, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Once again. I was checking the former driver templates, and I think the template would look good for former GOOD drivers, but there are many drivers who didn't accomplish much, and the template would look to cluttered with zeroes. Nevertheless, did a new template for former drivers, perhaps you'll like it more, or not. I innovated a bit and included "highest qualifying position" and "highest finish position", nationality, teams, and points. What do you think?
Nationality | {{{Nationality}}} |
Team(s) | {{{Team(s)}}} |
Race starts | {{{Races}}} |
World Championships | {{{Championships}}} |
Wins | {{{Wins}}} |
Podium finishes | {{{Podiums}}} |
Pole positions | {{{Poles}}} |
Fastest laps | {{{Fastest laps}}} |
Highest Qualifying Position | {{{Place}}} |
Highest Finishing Position | {{{Place}}} |
First Grand Prix | {{{First race}}} |
First win | {{{First win}}} |
Last win | {{{Last win}}} |
Last Grand Prix | {{{Last race}}} |
Total Points | {{{Points}}} |
Diego440 15:46, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
For future consideration, we need more info on parallel Formulas, such as Formula Ford, Formula Renault, Formula 5000 and others, since when you're reading a F1 pilot bio, they usually start out in these minor championships. Now, there is more than enough info on karting, formula junior and many others, and that's greatly appreciated. Still, I'm not demanding anyone to do it, but if you have the info or can find it, go right ahead and post it. I'm quite occupied at the moment with former pilot's bios and will later go ahead with the former team's bios, probably. OK, there's my talk. Diego440 13:13, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The former driver template is good for drivers like Ayrton Senna who won lots of races, but its not much use to drivers who didn't have much success during their career. I have just added it to an article i'm working on, Esteban Tuero, and having a list of 0's doesn't look very good. The 'First win', 'Last win' also looks stupid there as he never won any races.
Maybe there should be an extra template for drivers who weren't too successful? A 'best finish' line might be better than the first/last win part for drivers like Tuero. Hedley 15:37, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Esteban Tuero. I think that it includes whats necessary - Pictures, early career, his F1 career, and post F1 career. Maybe a bit exhaustive for what a 'typical good article' should look like but nevertheless, i'd like to know if it can be improved.
Upon consultation with admins i've been given the go-ahead, and have gone ahead in adding a new stub for motorsport. With other sports such as cricket and American football having stubs motorsport clearly needed one, and I thought i'd post here for anyone writing F1-related stubs.
The new tag is
, and it covers all forms of motorsport. To use it just type {{autoracing-stub}} at the end of the article. Hedley 23:27, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
And now, upon recommendation, there is an F1 stub tag for articles related to F1. You can use it by typing {{F1-stub}} at the end of a stub article.
What's the correct link for the Amon team from the 1970s? Several pages have linked to Amon, which doesn't even have a disambiguating link to the right place. A few others link direct to Chris Amon, which only briefly mentions the team. -- ScottDavis 11:28, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I've just made the article thats on the Open Tasks box which was under 'Needs to be created', Christian Horner. Do I go ahead and remove it from the template, or do I wait for someone else to do it? I'm not too sure. Hedley 23:34, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hello. I'm just stopping in here because I noticed a lot of these pages have the term 'climax' wikilinked. I have no idea what it means in racing terms, but the links are going to a disambig, which has made it one of the most linked to disambigs. Someone might want to look into that soon. -- InShaneee 15:18, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Seems to have lost its format somewhere. I've tagged it for cleanup but the usual infoboxes don't seem present right now. Hedley 12:41, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm after some advice on this section. (see for example Jenson Button#Complete Formula One results)
NickF 21:57, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Colour | Race status |
---|---|
White | Did not participate / forthcoming race |
Red | Did not qualify |
Purple | Did not finish |
Blue | Finished, no points |
Green | Finished, in points |
Bronze | 3rd place |
Silver | 2nd place |
Gold | Winner |
Yr | Team | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 |
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2004 | Ferrari | AUS | MAL | BAH | SAN | SPA | MON | EUR | CAN | USA | FRA | GBR | DEU | HUN | BEL | ITA | CHN | JAP | ||
2005 | Ferrari | AUS | MAL | BAH | SAN | SPA | MON | EUR | CAN | USA | FRA | GBR | DEU | HUN | TUR | ITA | BEL | BRA | JPN | CHN |
I'm away for a couple of weeks but if this looks good let me know and I will update / add results grids to drivers when I am back. NickF 22:52, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think this is an excellent idea; a small link to a "legend" would solve the problem of reader confusion. However, I don't quite know where the legend should be placed - it's not conventional to link to a WikiProject from the main namespace. Should an exception be made in this case, and the legend placed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One/Driver results legend? — Dan | Talk 18:12, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Looks great, how long until we implement? My .02 regarding the legend, one could always call it {{ F1 Driver results legend}} or WP F1 Driver results legend, thereby not naming inside a WikiProject namespace... - slowpokeiv 15:55, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
Hmm, just thought of one more colour category: Disqualified. I'm sure that Button @ Imola and Montoya at Canada can't of been the only instances of drivers being DSQ'ed. If not, does it merit it's own colour, or should it be lumped in with DNQ? (Red) - slowpokeiv 00:55, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
Black | Disqualified (DSQ) | SAN | DSQ |
OK, seeing lack of dispute, and in the spirit of Being Bold, I have taken the liberty of creating {{ F1 Driver results legend}}, added it to the 2005 results page. In addition, I took the liberty of reordering the legend, as I think a first place is more important and should be, well, first. Again, many compliments to NickF, without whom, all would be black and white. - slowpokeiv 02:23, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
Live Template:
Colour | Result |
---|---|
Gold | Winner |
Silver | Second place |
Bronze | Third place |
Green | Points finish |
Blue | Non-points finish |
Non-classified finish (NC) | |
Purple | Retired (Ret) |
Red | Did not qualify (DNQ) |
Did not pre-qualify (DNPQ) | |
Black | Disqualified (DSQ) |
White | Did not start (DNS) |
Withdrew (WD) | |
Race cancelled (C) | |
Blank | Did not practice (DNP) |
Did not arrive (DNA) | |
Excluded (EX) |
Why are the scottish and english flags used instead of the Union flag? What's the reasoning behind this since they're all classified as GBR, and we have the British grand prix, not English. -- Joolz 11:09, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Looks like Union Flag (or Jack) is the majority decision; I will change the 2005 United States Grand Prix to reflect this, and presumably this will be carried forward. NickF 21:02, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I prefer to see St. George, but it should be the Union flag for this. violet/riga (t) 23:46, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Agreed, based on the simple reason that if a British driver gets a podium position, the Union flag is raised, rather than the St George's Cross or St Andrew's Saltire. That alone should make it an obvious decision. --
Francs2000 |
Talk
23:52, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
For what it's worth, Coulthard's helmet has had St. Andrew's cross on it for some time. I think that Jenson has had St. George's cross on his helmet at some point, but he seems to have worn the Union Jack more recently. Pburka 00:02, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
As I was looking up some drivers, I came across the page for Mike MacDowel, which apparently has been nominated for deletion. Current claims are that this driver was non-notable. My question, that I pose to the group, is what is our justification for having pages for drivers that have raced in only one race, and would someone quick state that justification on the page's vote for deletion discussion page before it does in fact become deleted. slowpokeiv 14:16, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Bernd Nacke now has his head on the chopping block. AlbinoMonkey ( Talk) 3 July 2005 04:25 (UTC)
I've just started the tobacco advertising article and have written some details about the tobacco sponsorship of F1. It's somewhat vague at the moment and has massive gaps. I don't think it needs to be a full and complete history of the link, but some people may wish to take a look and add any important points to it. Cheers, violet/riga (t) 23:14, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
I ran across a table in my favourite Formula One mag, (is there more than one quality F1 mag? if so, if someone would let me know on my chat page...) and was thinking, the table they have in there looks pretty nice. The question I pose, would a complete results table, in addition to the current table already in place, be a good idea? I don't see anything wrong with the table aready in place, and I don't suggest altering it in any way. What I do suggest, is a quick table listing all drivers in a given year, and the results therin. One benefit would be that you could see at a glance exactly who did what for the entire season, for example, that both Heidfeld and Trulli had three podiums, but not a victory. One detriment that I can think of, is that it might be a touch bulky. I've quickly whipped up a (very) rough representation of my idea, and placed it in my sandbox, but for the reason of size, I am hesitant to add it to this talk page, but will if requested or desired. - slowpokeiv 15:49, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
OK, technicolor version, how does take 3 look? Added race listing at bottom, as on this monitor, it was a touch too tall... Also, is blank OK for DSQ/EX, or should they be coloured? (I'm split on this, part of me thinks that it should be another color, part thinks that blank is OK) - slowpokeiv 01:10, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
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User:Bobo192 proposed the following for driver articles.
Provisional idea only - unapproved (as yet).
There should be a complete article on every driver who has completed in a Formula One race. Information in this article should be set out as follows.
..name.. (born ..month day.. ..year.., died ..month day.. ..year..) is/was a ..nationality.. ..Formula One.. driver.
And I'm thinking.. as I had set it up on the stubbed guys, there should be some kind of synopsis.
Grands Prix (as of *last race*): a starts (as of *last race*): b Pole positions (as of Race:year): c First Grand Prix: d e (where D=country/circuit and E=year) Last Grand Prix: f g (where F=country/circuit and G=year)
--Grands Prix participated in-- (change these to equals signs, and rephrase away from sloppiness)
(first Grand Prix) [Date Year (Country/Circuit Grand Prix)] [qualifying position] [qualifying time] [final race position] [points achieved in race] [xxxx (Country) Grand Prix Report]
(second Grand Prix) [Year (Country/Circuit Grand Prix)] [qualifying position] [qualifying time] [final race position] [points achieved in race] [xxxx (Country) Grand Prix Report]
...
(last Grand Prix) [Year (Country/Circuit Grand Prix)] [qualifying position] [qualifying time] [final race position] [points achieved in race] [xxxx (Country) Grand Prix Report]
(complete table)
It looks nasty there, but it'll look prettier when I set the idea up. I'll show you what I have planned for one of the drivers.
(Note: In table form, this'll be sideways instead of downways)
Ricardo Patrese:
Race Starts: 256 (or Races 257, if you prefer)
-1-
Race: Monaco Grand Prix 1977 (hyperlinked to race itself)
Date: May 22nd 1977 (not hyperlinked to anything)
Grid: (or Qual) 15 (not hyperlinked - or perhaps, if and when we get it set up, to the qualifying grid embedded in the race itself)
Time: 1 m 32.520 (both hyperlinked to minute (time) and second (time) in the first citation)
Posn: (or something of that sort): 9
Pnts: (in this case) 0
-*Last* (number 257, in actual fact)-
Race: Australian Grand Prix 1993
Date: November 7th 1993
Grid: (or Qual (position on start grid)): 9
Time: 1 m 16.077 s
Posn: (or something of that sort (position at end of race)): 8
Pnts: (in this case) 0
(begin table)
Headings:
Grand Prix Number
Grand Prix
Date
Qualifying Position
Qualifying Time
Grand Prix Final Position
Points in race
1
Grand Prix Of Monaco 1977
May 22nd 1977
15
1:32.560
9
0
...
257
Grand Prix Of Australia 1993
November 7th 1993
9
1:16.077
8
0
I promise I'll get to work on them soon. Read immediately below for my ideas.
Grand Prix Number | Grand Prix | Date | Qualifying Position | Qualifying Time | Grand Prix Final Position | Points in race |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Grand Prix of Monaco 1977 | May 22 1977 | 15 | 1:32.520 | 9 | 0 |
2 | Grand Prix of Belgium 1977 | June 5 1977 | 15 | 1:27.350 | Ret | 0 |
N | Grand Prix of country year> | [date] | [quali] | [qualitime] | [endposition] | [points] |
And then at the bottom:
Pole Positions:
(start) ([year] Grand Prix of.. [circuit/location]) ([year] Grand Prix of.. [circuit/location]) (total) (end)
Victories:
(start) ([year] Grand Prix of.. [circuit/location]) ([year] Grand Prix of.. [circuit/location]) (total) (end)
I think this is worthwhile only for the single-Grand-Prix rookie kids and no-longer-running drivers (which, since I've demonstrated with dear Ricardo..!)
It got placed at the bottom, but you get the idea. Please PM me back if you feel you would like me to change this in any way.
I think each circuit article should have an infobox on it listing important statistics such as lap records, etc.
An example:
Sepang International Circuit | |
Location | Sepang, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia |
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Major events | Formula One Grand Prix; Motorcycle Grand Prix; (etc) |
Circuit length | 5.54 km (3.44 mi) |
Lap record | 1'34.223 ( Juan Pablo Montoya, Williams BMW, 2004) |
It's a bit rough-and-ready, but this is the sort of thing I'm suggesting. Any thoughts? doctorvee 16:52, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Well I've been going through the Grand Prix pages putting in the infoboxes. But I've reached a bit of a dead end, as many circuits in the latter half of the calendar are missing a map. As I've said elsewhere, I wouldn't know how to go about creating my own. The person who drew up the maps which do exist appears to be quite busy with other things - he hasn't done anything on any Formula One articles since May. doctorvee 14:35, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Apologies if this has been thrashed out already, but what is the policy with regard to drivers who had a very minor F1 career, but were extremely successful in other forms of motorsport? A good example being Tony Marsh, who competed in only five Grands Prix and never scored a point, yet is a six-times British Hillclimb champion, still competes in hillclimbs and is considerably better known today in that capacity than he is as a Formula One driver. Loganberry 23:39, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
OK, I thought I could get the ball rolling on a shorter infobox for drivers. I've taken the stats from Schumacher's article to come up with this. It's just a rough idea and as you can see, my table editing skills aren't brilliant. Certainly, it would be good if we could get free images of driver's helmets to pretty the infoboxes up. Please feel free to improve it as you wish. SamH 10:23, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Michael Schumacher | |
(Schumi's helmet, or an image of Schumacher himself) | |
Car # | 1 |
Current team | Scuderia Ferrari |
Race starts | 212 |
World Championships | 7 (1994, 1995, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004) |
Wins | 83 |
Podium finishes | 137 |
Points | 1184 |
Pole positions | 63 |
Fastest laps | 66 |
First Grand Prix | 1991 Belgian Grand Prix |
First win | 1992 Belgian Grand Prix |
2004 Championship position | 1st (148 points) |
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Spanish Grand Prix Circuit de Catalunya |
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Laps | 65 |
Circuit length | 4.63 kilometres (2.87 miles) |
Race length | 305.26 kilometres (189.78 miles) |
2004 Winner | 1:27'32.841 ( Michael Schumacher, Ferrari) |
2004 Pole | 1'15.022 ( Michael Schumacher, Ferrari) |
2004 Fastest lap | 1'17.450 ( Michael Schumacher, Ferrari) |
We can't leave the Grands Prix out!
I've added the infobox to Austrian Grand Prix... two points though:
AlbinoMonkey 03:21, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
There are some inconsistencies with the tables of past winners on the grand prix articles. For instance, if you look at United States Grand Prix, Formula One championship events are denoted in pink, with non-championship grands prix in white. Also, should the most recent winner be at the top, or should he be at the bottom, like in Malaysian Grand Prix? Should drivers' nationalities be put in a separate cell? Should their nationalities be linked to (eg. Ayrton Senna ( Brazil)? For the location column, should the circuit be used, or the place name (eg. Sepang or Sepang International Circuit? There needs to be standardisation.
I think it is worth distinguishing non-championship events from Formula One grands prix. But I think non-championship events should be in pink, not the other way about. I think the most recent winner should be at the top. Drivers' nationalities should be put in a separate cell, and they should be linked to. And I think the circuit name should be used (although do we know names for circuits which were used 60 / 70 / 80 years ago?). What does everybody else think? doctorvee 11:21, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
...and of course the constructors aswell. doctorvee 16:01, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Williams BMW.WilliamsF1 Team | ||
200px | ||
Base | Grove, United Kingdom | |
Team principal | Frank Williams | |
Technical director | Sam Michael | |
Race drivers | 3 | Juan Pablo Montoya |
4 | Ralf Schumacher | |
Test drivers |
Antônio Pizzonia Marc Gené | |
Chassis | Williams FW26 | |
Engine | BMW P84 | |
Tyres | Michelin | |
Debut | 1978 Argentine Grand Prix | |
Races competed | 559 | |
Constructors Championships | 9 | |
Drivers Championships | 7 | |
Race victories | 112 | |
Pole positions | 123 | |
Fastest laps | 127 | |
2003 Championship position | 2nd (144 points) |
Looks good, but Grove needs redirecting. I can't remember for the life of me where to, though, because there are a number of Grove placenames on this Wikipedia. Slightly more expert knowledge, anyone? Bobo192
Most of the teams (i haven't checked all of them) have their 2004 drivers listed in the infobox, but Sauber has 2005. Should we change them all, put Sauber back, or just leave it. Since it had the 2005 drivers (Villeneuve and Massa) I changed the tyres to Michelin - so if it is decided to change them all to 2004, this should be fixed also. Regards AlbinoMonkey 04:31, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Good work with the new template. I had no idea you could use a template like that! Perhaps this is the sort of thing we should adopt for all the infoboxes now.
Also, out of interest, where did you get all those logos? Particularly the McLaren one, I've never seen that before. It looks more like something they would have had in the 1980s! doctorvee 21:48, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I think there should be something about safety regulations somewhere - either in the Formula One regulations page, on the Formula One page, Formula One cars page or just as a separate article itself. I was thinking of information on helmet construction, crash tests, wheel tether loadings, roll cage sizes, marshalls, track design?, tyre barriers...maybe a note also about serious crashes if this is not inappropriate. I am willing to do it myself, but don't have much time for a couple of weeks. Let me know if I have just missed the page/section completely! AlbinoMonkey 09:51, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I added the [[Category:Formula One engine manufacturers]] category, as a sub to [[Category:Formula One constructors]]. Hope this makes sense... Wanted to update you folks here since you're the closest to these pages :) -- Wolf530 20:55, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
I had a go at expanding the Christian Klien stub, mainly using information from his own website and GrandPrix.com, but other sources as well. It's a bit bad, as some of the things just run straight into each other (like he raced in one category, finished here. then he went onto something else, and finished there). Also I didn't know what to do with the section headings, because it looked a bit dodgy without any. I can't find a picture of him where I don't need permission to use it, so if someone could find one it would be great. I'm a bit unhappy with the quote impressive speed, because it sounds a bit biased (although I'm not a fan of his...). If anyone can make suggestions or improvements, please do so - its the first major change I've made to a page... but it needed doing. Thanks. -- AlbinoMonkey 12:42, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Does anyone think we need a page dedicated to F1 records? I have created one on my userpage ( here) as a preliminary example. BillCook, 21 Dec 2004
Having just stumbled across these pages, I'd like to make a bit of a change to the category structure and figured I'd run it through here to make sure it didn't catch anyone by surprise. Considering the large number of nation-specific articles in Category:Formula One race reports (and their associated "main" articles in Category:Formula One Grands Prix) I propose to create individual categories for each nation that has a significant number of such articles. So for example Category:Argentine Grand Prix would hold Argentine Grand Prix as well as all of the Argentine race reports, and would be subcategorized under Category:Motor racing in Argentina and Category:Formula One Grands Prix. All the race reports would still remain in Category:Formula One race reports. Doing this would make it easy to stick all these articles under their respective national sports categories. If nobody objects, I'll go ahead and do all the grunt work myself. Bryan 07:49, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I'm having a newbie moment... I guess it's like a blonde moment, but in a male. Anyway, how do I join this group? I've been updating many driver bios and I like your templates, but I still think that apart from them there should be some text to accompany them, since there's much more to the driver than the actual template (i.e. what he did before and after F1, dob, dod, etc).
Diego440 15:09, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Once again. I was checking the former driver templates, and I think the template would look good for former GOOD drivers, but there are many drivers who didn't accomplish much, and the template would look to cluttered with zeroes. Nevertheless, did a new template for former drivers, perhaps you'll like it more, or not. I innovated a bit and included "highest qualifying position" and "highest finish position", nationality, teams, and points. What do you think?
Nationality | {{{Nationality}}} |
Team(s) | {{{Team(s)}}} |
Race starts | {{{Races}}} |
World Championships | {{{Championships}}} |
Wins | {{{Wins}}} |
Podium finishes | {{{Podiums}}} |
Pole positions | {{{Poles}}} |
Fastest laps | {{{Fastest laps}}} |
Highest Qualifying Position | {{{Place}}} |
Highest Finishing Position | {{{Place}}} |
First Grand Prix | {{{First race}}} |
First win | {{{First win}}} |
Last win | {{{Last win}}} |
Last Grand Prix | {{{Last race}}} |
Total Points | {{{Points}}} |
Diego440 15:46, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
For future consideration, we need more info on parallel Formulas, such as Formula Ford, Formula Renault, Formula 5000 and others, since when you're reading a F1 pilot bio, they usually start out in these minor championships. Now, there is more than enough info on karting, formula junior and many others, and that's greatly appreciated. Still, I'm not demanding anyone to do it, but if you have the info or can find it, go right ahead and post it. I'm quite occupied at the moment with former pilot's bios and will later go ahead with the former team's bios, probably. OK, there's my talk. Diego440 13:13, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The former driver template is good for drivers like Ayrton Senna who won lots of races, but its not much use to drivers who didn't have much success during their career. I have just added it to an article i'm working on, Esteban Tuero, and having a list of 0's doesn't look very good. The 'First win', 'Last win' also looks stupid there as he never won any races.
Maybe there should be an extra template for drivers who weren't too successful? A 'best finish' line might be better than the first/last win part for drivers like Tuero. Hedley 15:37, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Esteban Tuero. I think that it includes whats necessary - Pictures, early career, his F1 career, and post F1 career. Maybe a bit exhaustive for what a 'typical good article' should look like but nevertheless, i'd like to know if it can be improved.
Upon consultation with admins i've been given the go-ahead, and have gone ahead in adding a new stub for motorsport. With other sports such as cricket and American football having stubs motorsport clearly needed one, and I thought i'd post here for anyone writing F1-related stubs.
The new tag is
, and it covers all forms of motorsport. To use it just type {{autoracing-stub}} at the end of the article. Hedley 23:27, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
And now, upon recommendation, there is an F1 stub tag for articles related to F1. You can use it by typing {{F1-stub}} at the end of a stub article.
What's the correct link for the Amon team from the 1970s? Several pages have linked to Amon, which doesn't even have a disambiguating link to the right place. A few others link direct to Chris Amon, which only briefly mentions the team. -- ScottDavis 11:28, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I've just made the article thats on the Open Tasks box which was under 'Needs to be created', Christian Horner. Do I go ahead and remove it from the template, or do I wait for someone else to do it? I'm not too sure. Hedley 23:34, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hello. I'm just stopping in here because I noticed a lot of these pages have the term 'climax' wikilinked. I have no idea what it means in racing terms, but the links are going to a disambig, which has made it one of the most linked to disambigs. Someone might want to look into that soon. -- InShaneee 15:18, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Seems to have lost its format somewhere. I've tagged it for cleanup but the usual infoboxes don't seem present right now. Hedley 12:41, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm after some advice on this section. (see for example Jenson Button#Complete Formula One results)
NickF 21:57, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Colour | Race status |
---|---|
White | Did not participate / forthcoming race |
Red | Did not qualify |
Purple | Did not finish |
Blue | Finished, no points |
Green | Finished, in points |
Bronze | 3rd place |
Silver | 2nd place |
Gold | Winner |
Yr | Team | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
2004 | Ferrari | AUS | MAL | BAH | SAN | SPA | MON | EUR | CAN | USA | FRA | GBR | DEU | HUN | BEL | ITA | CHN | JAP | ||
2005 | Ferrari | AUS | MAL | BAH | SAN | SPA | MON | EUR | CAN | USA | FRA | GBR | DEU | HUN | TUR | ITA | BEL | BRA | JPN | CHN |
I'm away for a couple of weeks but if this looks good let me know and I will update / add results grids to drivers when I am back. NickF 22:52, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think this is an excellent idea; a small link to a "legend" would solve the problem of reader confusion. However, I don't quite know where the legend should be placed - it's not conventional to link to a WikiProject from the main namespace. Should an exception be made in this case, and the legend placed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One/Driver results legend? — Dan | Talk 18:12, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Looks great, how long until we implement? My .02 regarding the legend, one could always call it {{ F1 Driver results legend}} or WP F1 Driver results legend, thereby not naming inside a WikiProject namespace... - slowpokeiv 15:55, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
Hmm, just thought of one more colour category: Disqualified. I'm sure that Button @ Imola and Montoya at Canada can't of been the only instances of drivers being DSQ'ed. If not, does it merit it's own colour, or should it be lumped in with DNQ? (Red) - slowpokeiv 00:55, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
Black | Disqualified (DSQ) | SAN | DSQ |
OK, seeing lack of dispute, and in the spirit of Being Bold, I have taken the liberty of creating {{ F1 Driver results legend}}, added it to the 2005 results page. In addition, I took the liberty of reordering the legend, as I think a first place is more important and should be, well, first. Again, many compliments to NickF, without whom, all would be black and white. - slowpokeiv 02:23, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
Live Template:
Colour | Result |
---|---|
Gold | Winner |
Silver | Second place |
Bronze | Third place |
Green | Points finish |
Blue | Non-points finish |
Non-classified finish (NC) | |
Purple | Retired (Ret) |
Red | Did not qualify (DNQ) |
Did not pre-qualify (DNPQ) | |
Black | Disqualified (DSQ) |
White | Did not start (DNS) |
Withdrew (WD) | |
Race cancelled (C) | |
Blank | Did not practice (DNP) |
Did not arrive (DNA) | |
Excluded (EX) |
Why are the scottish and english flags used instead of the Union flag? What's the reasoning behind this since they're all classified as GBR, and we have the British grand prix, not English. -- Joolz 11:09, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Looks like Union Flag (or Jack) is the majority decision; I will change the 2005 United States Grand Prix to reflect this, and presumably this will be carried forward. NickF 21:02, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I prefer to see St. George, but it should be the Union flag for this. violet/riga (t) 23:46, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Agreed, based on the simple reason that if a British driver gets a podium position, the Union flag is raised, rather than the St George's Cross or St Andrew's Saltire. That alone should make it an obvious decision. --
Francs2000 |
Talk
23:52, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
For what it's worth, Coulthard's helmet has had St. Andrew's cross on it for some time. I think that Jenson has had St. George's cross on his helmet at some point, but he seems to have worn the Union Jack more recently. Pburka 00:02, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
As I was looking up some drivers, I came across the page for Mike MacDowel, which apparently has been nominated for deletion. Current claims are that this driver was non-notable. My question, that I pose to the group, is what is our justification for having pages for drivers that have raced in only one race, and would someone quick state that justification on the page's vote for deletion discussion page before it does in fact become deleted. slowpokeiv 14:16, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Bernd Nacke now has his head on the chopping block. AlbinoMonkey ( Talk) 3 July 2005 04:25 (UTC)
I've just started the tobacco advertising article and have written some details about the tobacco sponsorship of F1. It's somewhat vague at the moment and has massive gaps. I don't think it needs to be a full and complete history of the link, but some people may wish to take a look and add any important points to it. Cheers, violet/riga (t) 23:14, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
I ran across a table in my favourite Formula One mag, (is there more than one quality F1 mag? if so, if someone would let me know on my chat page...) and was thinking, the table they have in there looks pretty nice. The question I pose, would a complete results table, in addition to the current table already in place, be a good idea? I don't see anything wrong with the table aready in place, and I don't suggest altering it in any way. What I do suggest, is a quick table listing all drivers in a given year, and the results therin. One benefit would be that you could see at a glance exactly who did what for the entire season, for example, that both Heidfeld and Trulli had three podiums, but not a victory. One detriment that I can think of, is that it might be a touch bulky. I've quickly whipped up a (very) rough representation of my idea, and placed it in my sandbox, but for the reason of size, I am hesitant to add it to this talk page, but will if requested or desired. - slowpokeiv 15:49, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
OK, technicolor version, how does take 3 look? Added race listing at bottom, as on this monitor, it was a touch too tall... Also, is blank OK for DSQ/EX, or should they be coloured? (I'm split on this, part of me thinks that it should be another color, part thinks that blank is OK) - slowpokeiv 01:10, 25 July 2005 (UTC)