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So I was looking through the Afd of Lennart Fridh and @ Bring back Daz Sampson: has put up an interesting source relating to his Professionalism in Swedish football area where their is a PDF in the first source. This source after looking at resembles the possible dates professional football that is legalized. These dates resembling in 1967 (Sweden), Denmark (1978) and Norway (1991). [1] These three dates could be helpful in determining the possible starting point for these leagues and where they turned professional. HawkAussie ( talk) 03:57, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
The fact that something became legal doesn't mean it became widespread. Eg. homosexuality was decriminalised in England and Wales in the same year, but that didn't mean everyone immediately became gay! I was still working on the Sweden info, which is why I hadn't posted it here yet. Looking at the evidence compiled so far I think it's obvious that, like Norway, the sort of cultural zeitgeist was against full-time professional football in Sweden until the 21st Century at the very earliest. I'd be very surprised if "virtually all adult players are paid a salary that they can live on and do not need additional sources of income" at present. In 2019 only 90% of male players came into this bracket and 50% female. Bring back Daz Sampson ( talk) 17:45, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Is this "fully professional"? Were the 168 part-timers all "outliers"? [2]
“ | Of the 315 players who participated in the 1998 Allsvenskan, fewer than half (147) were full-time professional footballers. Many were students, while just over a quarter (81) had full-time jobs outside football, although this proportion had substantially reduced from previous seasons. | ” |
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147 av de 315 spelarna var heltidsproffs. En hel del pluggade och bara 81 av spelarna jobbade heltid, något som varit mycket vanligt bara några år tidigare.
So is that not fully-pro anymore? Govvy ( talk) 10:34, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
According to this article, 70% of players in the Super League 2 are paid minimum wage. This other article seems to suggest that lower-tier clubs are, at best, having difficulties paying their players with regularity. Is there any basis to keep the league as fully-pro? Many of this is probably down to the current COVID-19 situation, but still. Nehme 1499 20:31, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi. If a player made his debut in professional football in a cup instead in the league is notable? For example if a player make his debut in FA Cup or in Carabao Cup is notable? Dr Salvus ( talk) 17:32, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
I cant see how this can possibly be professional/notable. Based on this, the average attendance is around 350, which is what you typically get at step 3 of English non-league. I don't understand Russian so it would be great if someone could see what is actually stated in the source, but the extract from it doesn't seem to suggest full professionalism to me. Microwave Anarchist ( talk) 18:35, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Smartyllama: I think you're looking at the Belarusian Premier League, rather than the First League. @ Seany91: - it's not. The league's professional status was unsourced, and I merely used the average attendance to make the point that it is unlikely to be an FPL, given how little money is in the game. Microwave Anarchist ( talk) 18:38, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Football players participating in ABFF-sponsored competitions are either amateurs or professionals (not amateurs). A footballer attains professional status from the date of contracting with a professional football club to compete. A professional footballer is a player who has a written contract with the club and receives income from his football activities in addition to reimbursement of expenses incurred. The activities of a professional football player are regulated by the current legislation of the Republic of Belarus, statutory documents and regulations of FIFA, UEFA and ABFF.
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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So I was looking through the Afd of Lennart Fridh and @ Bring back Daz Sampson: has put up an interesting source relating to his Professionalism in Swedish football area where their is a PDF in the first source. This source after looking at resembles the possible dates professional football that is legalized. These dates resembling in 1967 (Sweden), Denmark (1978) and Norway (1991). [1] These three dates could be helpful in determining the possible starting point for these leagues and where they turned professional. HawkAussie ( talk) 03:57, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
The fact that something became legal doesn't mean it became widespread. Eg. homosexuality was decriminalised in England and Wales in the same year, but that didn't mean everyone immediately became gay! I was still working on the Sweden info, which is why I hadn't posted it here yet. Looking at the evidence compiled so far I think it's obvious that, like Norway, the sort of cultural zeitgeist was against full-time professional football in Sweden until the 21st Century at the very earliest. I'd be very surprised if "virtually all adult players are paid a salary that they can live on and do not need additional sources of income" at present. In 2019 only 90% of male players came into this bracket and 50% female. Bring back Daz Sampson ( talk) 17:45, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Is this "fully professional"? Were the 168 part-timers all "outliers"? [2]
“ | Of the 315 players who participated in the 1998 Allsvenskan, fewer than half (147) were full-time professional footballers. Many were students, while just over a quarter (81) had full-time jobs outside football, although this proportion had substantially reduced from previous seasons. | ” |
References
147 av de 315 spelarna var heltidsproffs. En hel del pluggade och bara 81 av spelarna jobbade heltid, något som varit mycket vanligt bara några år tidigare.
So is that not fully-pro anymore? Govvy ( talk) 10:34, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
According to this article, 70% of players in the Super League 2 are paid minimum wage. This other article seems to suggest that lower-tier clubs are, at best, having difficulties paying their players with regularity. Is there any basis to keep the league as fully-pro? Many of this is probably down to the current COVID-19 situation, but still. Nehme 1499 20:31, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi. If a player made his debut in professional football in a cup instead in the league is notable? For example if a player make his debut in FA Cup or in Carabao Cup is notable? Dr Salvus ( talk) 17:32, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
I cant see how this can possibly be professional/notable. Based on this, the average attendance is around 350, which is what you typically get at step 3 of English non-league. I don't understand Russian so it would be great if someone could see what is actually stated in the source, but the extract from it doesn't seem to suggest full professionalism to me. Microwave Anarchist ( talk) 18:35, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Smartyllama: I think you're looking at the Belarusian Premier League, rather than the First League. @ Seany91: - it's not. The league's professional status was unsourced, and I merely used the average attendance to make the point that it is unlikely to be an FPL, given how little money is in the game. Microwave Anarchist ( talk) 18:38, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Football players participating in ABFF-sponsored competitions are either amateurs or professionals (not amateurs). A footballer attains professional status from the date of contracting with a professional football club to compete. A professional footballer is a player who has a written contract with the club and receives income from his football activities in addition to reimbursement of expenses incurred. The activities of a professional football player are regulated by the current legislation of the Republic of Belarus, statutory documents and regulations of FIFA, UEFA and ABFF.