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bhutan: https://kuenselonline.com/bhutan-premier-league-to-begin-from-august/ Consisting of 10 professional teams, BPL is the top domestic football league in the country competing for more than five months every season. this site has more articles confirming bpl teams are paid enough and all aspects to be called pro league since last 2 years at least, unlike outdated links used before. please move league to fully pro — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.81.30 ( talk) 12:40, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
ok so if looks like bhutan has right to consider own league fully pro, can users please add note and do the job from links, not investigating 🙏 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.77.49 ( talk) 13:57, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
evidence is link from national portal and federation interview, they consider themselves professional! users have to respect that, even in discussion i wrote full year schedule and money argument was proven "enough to live from it". besides, links for l8sting not fully pro are outdated less reliable articles, one i gave is official. so move bpl from all lists as its proven wrong currently. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.77.49 ( talk) 18:17, 27 January 2021 (UTC) @nehme... there are few players with abroad experience, and even more abroad players in bpl. furthermore national teams arent paid usually, its just federation gesture, no need to compare with average salary. last, they never said any club payment is too small...it can be enough to be ranked around 200 but still can be pro league. and if nobody can deny my arguments, soon will have to obey words of national portal and add pro league link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.77.49 ( talk) 18:23, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
to last reply: 1 - off topic 2 - which world club can survive without a sponsor; and all related leagues are added by different links and someones belief, so in this case national portal is authority above previous articles. either respect or move completely, no double standards. 3 and 4 - its their will, surely not to "survive", and i was asked so added usual schedule. you have to accept team near rank 200 can have just enough for own league to be called pro and dont make up own indications. sponsors and how much or how long, how good etc is all indication while only direct evidence after 2017 semi pro (foreign website) links, is latest national portal federation interview calling them 10 pro teams in pro league. imagine top 100 tennis players etc, no law to determine how to earn or how much until someone thinks enough for a pro. lastly, its example of vandalism clearly showing that national portal and federation lie by all this hesitation. im ready to prove until justice is served! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 13:26, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
well very simple answer to all this; if national portal said from federation interview league is pro, users job is to register change, just as with older non pro articles. even if its small its enough to be a pro according to them, and afc doesnt prove anything. facts and indications are different just as users shouldnt be detectives. until new article explicitly says some team isnt pro, link where opposite is said has to be respected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 20:35, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
it is primary source from federation interview so wiki has to respect this fact, thats all about! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 21:17, 28 January 2021 (UTC) make me wrong...claiming that federation lies is serious issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 21:19, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
come on...im getting this talk! there is no law nor fifa rule to determine "pro" or not. here wiki only has article links, and how would you ask player by player if they earn enough, or respect what federation staff said????!!!!! editors job is to use relevant links in articles, not make unreal investigations like this turns into. lastly, fifa and afc control their federation so surely would know if someone lies! 2 more authorities to respect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 23:21, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
point is they let federations declare themselves, and follow that in some articles (example of semi pro auckland city on fifa wc, or tahiti confederations cup...). so as never questioned about bhutan, editors here has to do same! older links when wasnt, and add this when it became fully pro by federation. its unbeatable fact and about time to respect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 00:44, 29 January 2021 (UTC) There's some ludicrous nonsense being peddled here, as usual. First of all, the central contracts for national team players have no bearing whatsoever on the professionalism of the league. The fact that the league apparently relies on sponsors doesn't matter either (imagine where the English Premier League would be without the billions of Sky Group). Although I accept that Wikipedia 'fully professionalism' is obviously a nebulous concept – or madey-up guff, depending on your point of view – there are obviously some other matters to be taken into account. Paro FC reportedly has 23 full-time players from a first team squad of 27. If they were white/ Western men that would probably be enough to garner them 'the benefit of the doubt' on here. ~85% full-time is much higher than average in the Scottish Championship and Eerste Divisie, to take two examples. But if they were women at the same level they'd undoubtedly get the thumbs down. Do Spiderone and Giant Snowman have any completely unqualified and unevidenced ruminations about the level of imagined media coverage? For some reason that all seems to be given credence on here. Bring back Daz Sampson ( talk) 01:45, 29 January 2021 (UTC) some great points 👆 furthermore these players mentioned apart full time in unofficial articles, are students which is kind of a job, again depending on free will and not accepting field performance. count any pro player with some degree and way they did it, nothing unusual. even story of national captain who is pilot, having his job minimised to attraction since 2015 fifa entry when i would say total transition to fully pro league boomed. lastly, any job or hobby players do from love while football is number 1 income source shouldnt be discussed here. in last few season can see teams like druk united, thimphu fc, p'ling united, who were not granted bpl permit exactly after some sponsors or players found hard maintain fully pro status, which just proves how sensitive league has become to such things! looks like very soon all users will accept and make changes from link i gave, as it could be done far easier. if someone doesnt know or mocks how to ask all players about made up money criteria, doesnt mean league hasnt right to be called pro anywhere including wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 03:22, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
so can it f8nally be added to page that bpl is fully pro, these users couldnt prove anything opposite, how long more or any further instance, im ready — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 13:47, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
one sentence was "federation could have different concept", so how better to prove by links from their own staff, here is complete scandal few users d9nt listen... which law are you if fifa and afc accept their status but s9me anonymous username abusing world leading info portal disagrees... this must have consequences, you failed to prove federation lies !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 14:38, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
(youth contracts and so on). These 4 As the IP user said before, players cannot make a living out of the league, because it doesn't cover the full season (or whole year), so they have to work in other fronts to basically survive, another point who goes against the professionalism. I wrote full schedule, it does cover enough and all current players dont need other jobs...such shameless lie but wont go as you imagine! Plus, per the country's culture, Archery is the most popular sport, followed by basketball, then football, so I don't think that a lot of media coverage exists even in the country. Open mycujoo or clubs fb pages, also bbs tv, compare page likes...archery was tradition but now clearly most followed is football, another shameless lie! And Sampson, can you please tell me in which considered fully-pro league in here, the under-17 football team plays in the first division? thats just bcos there arent more teams in 2nd division (they qualify for 1st sometimes), again no proof clubs arent pro neither these u17 guys arent aiming for pro, besides they dont got afc spot so just fill the number (india and philippines use similar method).
about cg article: YOUNGER players (students), view of PARENTS, in 2019... my link in 2020 since few clubs werent granted BFF permit, exactly to keep league fully pro! any other indication..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 14:53, 29 January 2021 (UTC) @MYS: last post is great, from march national players + league sponsors by the league start, are firm evidence this season hass completed fully pro transition. please add it on league list! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 15:17, 29 January 2021 (UTC) (you actually wrote few lies before so accept facts. i wrote to admin and will see procedure to shortly end discussion, implement changes.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 15:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
again good point but easy explanation...from march to august when season started, and federation staff told they became pro, prove me it was lie or how much someone earned; also prove me few teams not being fully pro taken out by federation means others arent; — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 20:21, 29 January 2021 (UTC) laugh and hide is not appropriate if out of facts, the moment someone finds source against mine in upcoming time, revert it but current facts are such.
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Brilliant points raised by MYS77 which have not been countered at all. It's very clear this league isn't an FPL. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:15, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 35 | ← | Archive 38 | Archive 39 | Archive 40 | Archive 41 | Archive 42 | → | Archive 45 |
No place for trolling. Drmies ( talk) 20:04, 31 January 2021 (UTC) |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
bhutan: https://kuenselonline.com/bhutan-premier-league-to-begin-from-august/ Consisting of 10 professional teams, BPL is the top domestic football league in the country competing for more than five months every season. this site has more articles confirming bpl teams are paid enough and all aspects to be called pro league since last 2 years at least, unlike outdated links used before. please move league to fully pro — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.81.30 ( talk) 12:40, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
ok so if looks like bhutan has right to consider own league fully pro, can users please add note and do the job from links, not investigating 🙏 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.77.49 ( talk) 13:57, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
evidence is link from national portal and federation interview, they consider themselves professional! users have to respect that, even in discussion i wrote full year schedule and money argument was proven "enough to live from it". besides, links for l8sting not fully pro are outdated less reliable articles, one i gave is official. so move bpl from all lists as its proven wrong currently. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.77.49 ( talk) 18:17, 27 January 2021 (UTC) @nehme... there are few players with abroad experience, and even more abroad players in bpl. furthermore national teams arent paid usually, its just federation gesture, no need to compare with average salary. last, they never said any club payment is too small...it can be enough to be ranked around 200 but still can be pro league. and if nobody can deny my arguments, soon will have to obey words of national portal and add pro league link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.77.49 ( talk) 18:23, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
to last reply: 1 - off topic 2 - which world club can survive without a sponsor; and all related leagues are added by different links and someones belief, so in this case national portal is authority above previous articles. either respect or move completely, no double standards. 3 and 4 - its their will, surely not to "survive", and i was asked so added usual schedule. you have to accept team near rank 200 can have just enough for own league to be called pro and dont make up own indications. sponsors and how much or how long, how good etc is all indication while only direct evidence after 2017 semi pro (foreign website) links, is latest national portal federation interview calling them 10 pro teams in pro league. imagine top 100 tennis players etc, no law to determine how to earn or how much until someone thinks enough for a pro. lastly, its example of vandalism clearly showing that national portal and federation lie by all this hesitation. im ready to prove until justice is served! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 13:26, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
well very simple answer to all this; if national portal said from federation interview league is pro, users job is to register change, just as with older non pro articles. even if its small its enough to be a pro according to them, and afc doesnt prove anything. facts and indications are different just as users shouldnt be detectives. until new article explicitly says some team isnt pro, link where opposite is said has to be respected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 20:35, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
it is primary source from federation interview so wiki has to respect this fact, thats all about! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 21:17, 28 January 2021 (UTC) make me wrong...claiming that federation lies is serious issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 21:19, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
come on...im getting this talk! there is no law nor fifa rule to determine "pro" or not. here wiki only has article links, and how would you ask player by player if they earn enough, or respect what federation staff said????!!!!! editors job is to use relevant links in articles, not make unreal investigations like this turns into. lastly, fifa and afc control their federation so surely would know if someone lies! 2 more authorities to respect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 23:21, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
point is they let federations declare themselves, and follow that in some articles (example of semi pro auckland city on fifa wc, or tahiti confederations cup...). so as never questioned about bhutan, editors here has to do same! older links when wasnt, and add this when it became fully pro by federation. its unbeatable fact and about time to respect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 00:44, 29 January 2021 (UTC) There's some ludicrous nonsense being peddled here, as usual. First of all, the central contracts for national team players have no bearing whatsoever on the professionalism of the league. The fact that the league apparently relies on sponsors doesn't matter either (imagine where the English Premier League would be without the billions of Sky Group). Although I accept that Wikipedia 'fully professionalism' is obviously a nebulous concept – or madey-up guff, depending on your point of view – there are obviously some other matters to be taken into account. Paro FC reportedly has 23 full-time players from a first team squad of 27. If they were white/ Western men that would probably be enough to garner them 'the benefit of the doubt' on here. ~85% full-time is much higher than average in the Scottish Championship and Eerste Divisie, to take two examples. But if they were women at the same level they'd undoubtedly get the thumbs down. Do Spiderone and Giant Snowman have any completely unqualified and unevidenced ruminations about the level of imagined media coverage? For some reason that all seems to be given credence on here. Bring back Daz Sampson ( talk) 01:45, 29 January 2021 (UTC) some great points 👆 furthermore these players mentioned apart full time in unofficial articles, are students which is kind of a job, again depending on free will and not accepting field performance. count any pro player with some degree and way they did it, nothing unusual. even story of national captain who is pilot, having his job minimised to attraction since 2015 fifa entry when i would say total transition to fully pro league boomed. lastly, any job or hobby players do from love while football is number 1 income source shouldnt be discussed here. in last few season can see teams like druk united, thimphu fc, p'ling united, who were not granted bpl permit exactly after some sponsors or players found hard maintain fully pro status, which just proves how sensitive league has become to such things! looks like very soon all users will accept and make changes from link i gave, as it could be done far easier. if someone doesnt know or mocks how to ask all players about made up money criteria, doesnt mean league hasnt right to be called pro anywhere including wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 03:22, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
so can it f8nally be added to page that bpl is fully pro, these users couldnt prove anything opposite, how long more or any further instance, im ready — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 13:47, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
one sentence was "federation could have different concept", so how better to prove by links from their own staff, here is complete scandal few users d9nt listen... which law are you if fifa and afc accept their status but s9me anonymous username abusing world leading info portal disagrees... this must have consequences, you failed to prove federation lies !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 14:38, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
(youth contracts and so on). These 4 As the IP user said before, players cannot make a living out of the league, because it doesn't cover the full season (or whole year), so they have to work in other fronts to basically survive, another point who goes against the professionalism. I wrote full schedule, it does cover enough and all current players dont need other jobs...such shameless lie but wont go as you imagine! Plus, per the country's culture, Archery is the most popular sport, followed by basketball, then football, so I don't think that a lot of media coverage exists even in the country. Open mycujoo or clubs fb pages, also bbs tv, compare page likes...archery was tradition but now clearly most followed is football, another shameless lie! And Sampson, can you please tell me in which considered fully-pro league in here, the under-17 football team plays in the first division? thats just bcos there arent more teams in 2nd division (they qualify for 1st sometimes), again no proof clubs arent pro neither these u17 guys arent aiming for pro, besides they dont got afc spot so just fill the number (india and philippines use similar method).
about cg article: YOUNGER players (students), view of PARENTS, in 2019... my link in 2020 since few clubs werent granted BFF permit, exactly to keep league fully pro! any other indication..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 14:53, 29 January 2021 (UTC) @MYS: last post is great, from march national players + league sponsors by the league start, are firm evidence this season hass completed fully pro transition. please add it on league list! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 15:17, 29 January 2021 (UTC) (you actually wrote few lies before so accept facts. i wrote to admin and will see procedure to shortly end discussion, implement changes.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 15:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
again good point but easy explanation...from march to august when season started, and federation staff told they became pro, prove me it was lie or how much someone earned; also prove me few teams not being fully pro taken out by federation means others arent; — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.83.30 ( talk) 20:21, 29 January 2021 (UTC) laugh and hide is not appropriate if out of facts, the moment someone finds source against mine in upcoming time, revert it but current facts are such.
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Brilliant points raised by MYS77 which have not been countered at all. It's very clear this league isn't an FPL. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:15, 29 January 2021 (UTC)