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According to korean sources, China League One is fully professional league. [ 1], [ 2]
Many footballers played for K League transfered to China League One, For example, Carlos Adriano de Sousa Cruz, Ha Tae-goon
When they transfered to China League One sides, All korean sources said: China League One is fully professional league (not Semi-professional League)
There have been famous players and managers in China League One,
Did they play in Semi-Professional League?
I don't think so.
Footwiks ( talk) 04:19, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Hello, I noticed that the link to whether Luxembourg is a professional league or not doesn't exist anymore (on FIFA, or on the Web Archive). Does anyone know where this information could be found? Especially with F91 Dudelange playing in this year's Europa League Group Stage (a professional tournament?), it would be a shame if any articles that would normally be deemed notable should be thrown out because the league they play in is not professional (granted, Dudelange themselves might also be deemed a non-professional side regardless of their league's status). Cheers -- Philk84 08:20, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Dear readers, in order to clarify the status of Turkish leagues, I added references directly from Turkish Football Federation (TFF) and news article from Anadolu Ajansı (state news agency) which is covering a statement of an executive of governmental sports institution. The fact is that Süper League, TFF First League, TFF Second League and TFF Third League are professional teams. You can see it at "Status" (Charter) of TFF. Each team has direct of General Assembly voting based on their league level. Each player profile at TFF displays when a player turns into professional football by a professional contract. There is an example: Berke Özer turned professional in 18 August 2016, when he was playing for Altınordu, which was competing at TFF First League then, and still compete there as of today (References: [2] and [3]). There are also criteria of being qualified of member of TFF as a professional club. All in all, such leagues are professional. Umi1903 ( talk) 19:13, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
This is a pretty ridiculous discussion. If all the teams are professional in a league then the league is professional. There are a lot of sources provided, I think it is more than enough to come to the conclusion they are professional. Picking holes or having an unreachable threshold of evidence is counter-productive. Abcmaxx ( talk) 21:54, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Whilst I agree it looks like the second tier probably is fully professional, it would be useful, using the sources presented or others to confirm where it confirms full professionalism. Whilst this can be an explicit statement it is more often done through confirmation of average salaries of the players indicating that playing football is their sole employment. Editors need to understand there is a difference between this and mere professionalism, in this context meaning that players receive some form of remuneration but that that is not necessarily their only source of income. At the moment, I am not seeing anything explicit that c9nvinces me this can be added to the wider list. Fenix down ( talk) 08:27, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Dear all, I have had a search to find sources for player contracts, individually, at Turkish lower divisons. I gathered the sources as below:
Team | Season | Player | Salary | Source | Note |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Eskişehirspor | 2016-2017 | Erkan Zengin | EUR1.7m | [13] | None. |
Adana Demirspor | 2016-2017 | Mickaël Poté | EUR600k | [14] | None. |
Adana Demirspor | 2018-2019 | Anderson | EUR600k | [15] [16] [17] | None. |
Yeni Malatyaspor | 2016-2017 | Muhammet Reis | TRY750k | [18] [19] | Revealed p/a wage at negoation phase. |
Following these additional sources above to constitute the fact that professional players at Turkish lower divisions can make their living with by their contract and their earnings are well above Turkish standards (even most of European lower division standards), my point stands still and I keep demanding Turkish Leagues to be classified as professional leagues in main article from now on. Thank you. This issue must be concluded. Umi1903 ( talk) 17:19, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
I've found references that suggest that the Lithuanian A Lyga is fully professional - from the football federation and Lithuanian news articles (this one explicitly states that the entire league is professional). This contrasts with the WikiProject page. The reference provided to show that the A Lyga is not fully professional ( here) is an article based on a clearly unsustainable team from nine seasons ago; I cannot find any evidence that any of the eight current clubs are not professional, including newly promoted FK Panevėžys.
Thoughts on adding the A Lyga to the list of fully professional leagues? Mrsmiis ( talk) 20:35, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi, can editors take a look at the source for Sierra Leone? The 1 cited ref for Sierra Leone looks like a misinterpretation of the source to me. Michael was talking about "the poor structure of "some" Premier League Clubs". I've read that article archived from last year, and as far as I can see, there is nothing in that article authored by Awoko where Michael said that "Sierra Leone National Premier League is not a professional league" in the sense we understand professional for Wikipedia policies relating to football notability. Maybe I've missed something that football fans/editors would be able to shed light on. If my suspicions are correct, maybe it might be useful to set up a task force of some sort to evaluate the source cited in this list/essay as I am concerned about the gravity of the problem. Maybe I've misunderstood something but there is no harm in others checking just to make sure as this essay/list is being cited in numerous AfDs. Also, it appears that some editors are citing this in AfD discussions as if it is a Wiki policy. Although the lead made it quite clear that this list is incomplete, some are lacking sources, it is merely an aid, it is still used by some editors as if it is a policy. Maybe it might be helpful to make it clear in the lead that this is merely an essay and not a policy. Thanks. Tamsier ( talk) 17:45, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
... 60% of the players don’t even have any professional contract with their clubs ...". Leviv ich 17:51, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
I've thought about this for a while now - I think this list would be better served as a table, something like this:
Nation | League | Fully-professional? | Start | End | Notes | References |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Canada | Canadian Premier League | Yes | 2019 | N/A | [REFERENCE] | |
Canada | Canadian Soccer Tournament | No | N/A | N/A | [REFERENCE] | |
Wikistan | Wiki Premier League | Yes | 2010 | 2018 | League is defunct, and was replaced by the Wiki Super League | [REFERENCE] |
Wikistan | Wiki Super League | Yes | 2019 | N/A | [REFERENCE] | |
Wikistan | Wiki First Division | No | N/A | N/A | [REFERENCE] |
In that example the WPL was fully-pro between 2010 and 2018, but is now defunct and has been replaced by the WSL. We know that players playing in the WPL between those dates meet WP:NFOOTBALL. The CPL is fully-pro from 2019, and the CST has never been fully-pro.
Thoughts? Giant Snowman 12:49, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
{{flagof|Canada|size=21|link=Soccer in Canada}}
markup? Then, if it's not professional, or was, people can go straight to an article that may give more input? --
Philk84
13:13, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
What is the status on USL League One, the new American third division league? It has been sanctioned provisionally by USSF as the third tier league, but is it fully professional? Jay eyem ( talk) 17:44, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 25 | ← | Archive 27 | Archive 28 | Archive 29 | Archive 30 | Archive 31 | → | Archive 35 |
According to korean sources, China League One is fully professional league. [ 1], [ 2]
Many footballers played for K League transfered to China League One, For example, Carlos Adriano de Sousa Cruz, Ha Tae-goon
When they transfered to China League One sides, All korean sources said: China League One is fully professional league (not Semi-professional League)
There have been famous players and managers in China League One,
Did they play in Semi-Professional League?
I don't think so.
Footwiks ( talk) 04:19, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Hello, I noticed that the link to whether Luxembourg is a professional league or not doesn't exist anymore (on FIFA, or on the Web Archive). Does anyone know where this information could be found? Especially with F91 Dudelange playing in this year's Europa League Group Stage (a professional tournament?), it would be a shame if any articles that would normally be deemed notable should be thrown out because the league they play in is not professional (granted, Dudelange themselves might also be deemed a non-professional side regardless of their league's status). Cheers -- Philk84 08:20, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Dear readers, in order to clarify the status of Turkish leagues, I added references directly from Turkish Football Federation (TFF) and news article from Anadolu Ajansı (state news agency) which is covering a statement of an executive of governmental sports institution. The fact is that Süper League, TFF First League, TFF Second League and TFF Third League are professional teams. You can see it at "Status" (Charter) of TFF. Each team has direct of General Assembly voting based on their league level. Each player profile at TFF displays when a player turns into professional football by a professional contract. There is an example: Berke Özer turned professional in 18 August 2016, when he was playing for Altınordu, which was competing at TFF First League then, and still compete there as of today (References: [2] and [3]). There are also criteria of being qualified of member of TFF as a professional club. All in all, such leagues are professional. Umi1903 ( talk) 19:13, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
This is a pretty ridiculous discussion. If all the teams are professional in a league then the league is professional. There are a lot of sources provided, I think it is more than enough to come to the conclusion they are professional. Picking holes or having an unreachable threshold of evidence is counter-productive. Abcmaxx ( talk) 21:54, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Whilst I agree it looks like the second tier probably is fully professional, it would be useful, using the sources presented or others to confirm where it confirms full professionalism. Whilst this can be an explicit statement it is more often done through confirmation of average salaries of the players indicating that playing football is their sole employment. Editors need to understand there is a difference between this and mere professionalism, in this context meaning that players receive some form of remuneration but that that is not necessarily their only source of income. At the moment, I am not seeing anything explicit that c9nvinces me this can be added to the wider list. Fenix down ( talk) 08:27, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Dear all, I have had a search to find sources for player contracts, individually, at Turkish lower divisons. I gathered the sources as below:
Team | Season | Player | Salary | Source | Note |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Eskişehirspor | 2016-2017 | Erkan Zengin | EUR1.7m | [13] | None. |
Adana Demirspor | 2016-2017 | Mickaël Poté | EUR600k | [14] | None. |
Adana Demirspor | 2018-2019 | Anderson | EUR600k | [15] [16] [17] | None. |
Yeni Malatyaspor | 2016-2017 | Muhammet Reis | TRY750k | [18] [19] | Revealed p/a wage at negoation phase. |
Following these additional sources above to constitute the fact that professional players at Turkish lower divisions can make their living with by their contract and their earnings are well above Turkish standards (even most of European lower division standards), my point stands still and I keep demanding Turkish Leagues to be classified as professional leagues in main article from now on. Thank you. This issue must be concluded. Umi1903 ( talk) 17:19, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
I've found references that suggest that the Lithuanian A Lyga is fully professional - from the football federation and Lithuanian news articles (this one explicitly states that the entire league is professional). This contrasts with the WikiProject page. The reference provided to show that the A Lyga is not fully professional ( here) is an article based on a clearly unsustainable team from nine seasons ago; I cannot find any evidence that any of the eight current clubs are not professional, including newly promoted FK Panevėžys.
Thoughts on adding the A Lyga to the list of fully professional leagues? Mrsmiis ( talk) 20:35, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi, can editors take a look at the source for Sierra Leone? The 1 cited ref for Sierra Leone looks like a misinterpretation of the source to me. Michael was talking about "the poor structure of "some" Premier League Clubs". I've read that article archived from last year, and as far as I can see, there is nothing in that article authored by Awoko where Michael said that "Sierra Leone National Premier League is not a professional league" in the sense we understand professional for Wikipedia policies relating to football notability. Maybe I've missed something that football fans/editors would be able to shed light on. If my suspicions are correct, maybe it might be useful to set up a task force of some sort to evaluate the source cited in this list/essay as I am concerned about the gravity of the problem. Maybe I've misunderstood something but there is no harm in others checking just to make sure as this essay/list is being cited in numerous AfDs. Also, it appears that some editors are citing this in AfD discussions as if it is a Wiki policy. Although the lead made it quite clear that this list is incomplete, some are lacking sources, it is merely an aid, it is still used by some editors as if it is a policy. Maybe it might be helpful to make it clear in the lead that this is merely an essay and not a policy. Thanks. Tamsier ( talk) 17:45, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
... 60% of the players don’t even have any professional contract with their clubs ...". Leviv ich 17:51, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
I've thought about this for a while now - I think this list would be better served as a table, something like this:
Nation | League | Fully-professional? | Start | End | Notes | References |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Canada | Canadian Premier League | Yes | 2019 | N/A | [REFERENCE] | |
Canada | Canadian Soccer Tournament | No | N/A | N/A | [REFERENCE] | |
Wikistan | Wiki Premier League | Yes | 2010 | 2018 | League is defunct, and was replaced by the Wiki Super League | [REFERENCE] |
Wikistan | Wiki Super League | Yes | 2019 | N/A | [REFERENCE] | |
Wikistan | Wiki First Division | No | N/A | N/A | [REFERENCE] |
In that example the WPL was fully-pro between 2010 and 2018, but is now defunct and has been replaced by the WSL. We know that players playing in the WPL between those dates meet WP:NFOOTBALL. The CPL is fully-pro from 2019, and the CST has never been fully-pro.
Thoughts? Giant Snowman 12:49, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
{{flagof|Canada|size=21|link=Soccer in Canada}}
markup? Then, if it's not professional, or was, people can go straight to an article that may give more input? --
Philk84
13:13, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
What is the status on USL League One, the new American third division league? It has been sanctioned provisionally by USSF as the third tier league, but is it fully professional? Jay eyem ( talk) 17:44, 16 December 2018 (UTC)