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I'm writing to determine the status of American indoor soccer particularly the Major Indoor Soccer League, and the National Professional Soccer League. From my understanding I don't see how both leagues aren't considered fully professional. Mohrflies ( talk) posted severa1 links on August 2013 to support that argument here they are: I recently added a list of professional American indoor leagues to the USA entry, giving a source for each one. This list was deleted with the flippant, "Sources do not confirm the leagues as fully pro." However, the sources were respected soccer historians who characterized the leagues as "professional". Since I did not understand the dismissal of Colin Jose [1], David Litterer [2], Roger Allaway [3] and Steve Holroyd as unreliable sources, I asked another editor what sources I should provide. According to him, sources should speak to "player registration regulations". That will be difficult, in fact impossible for most American professional leagues because "player registration regulations" are non-entities in the American sports scene. However, this other editor also said, "Other types of sources are usually articles that look at football clubs from a business point of view." So, here they are:
Hope this helps. Let me know if you all need more sources looking at clubs from a business point of view. Mohrflies ( talk) 05:50, 1 August 2013 (UTC).
The NPSL old website states that it was professional. [25]. Both leagues had a salary war to sign players [26]. The NPSL secured a television deal with ESPN (a major sports channel) in 1994. [27]. Not to mention the numerous USL players who played in within the league during the off season. Shotgun pete ( talk) 06:45, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Why are the same standards needed to apply to notability for Womens Leagues as an 'aide to define notability', when there are only 3 fully professional womens leagues in the world at the moment. I am sure that these guidelines or standards were predicated on the mens leagues, which have historically and currently had far more money available, to generate professional leagues. Some editors appear to be hiding behind these guidelines as if they are formal rules, and AfD Australian players that havent made the Australian national team. There is some general discussion of this here, and often on talk pages of individual players who's articles are going through AfD. (@ The-Pope: : I am not including you in that sub-set of editors, as you've clearly made the effort to ask rather than launch straight into AfD). Matilda Maniac ( talk) 01:27, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
In the book Moving with the ball: The migration of professional footballers at page 119 it says that Yugoslav First League became fully professional in 1967. Would it be OK for me to add a subsection "Former leagues" and add Yugoslavia, or should I add it as note at Serbia since Serbian SuperLiga was the one that kept all time the league in continuation as "Savezna liga" from 1946 to 2006? FkpCascais ( talk) 04:31, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
How can you consider Dominican Republic's top league professional and not consider Puerto Rico's top league professional when these two leagues have the same level of competition? Seriesphile ( talk · ctb) 23:10, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
I believe this guideline needs to be reviewed. It is my understanding that FIFA does not distinguish between "semi-professional" and "fully professional". A player is either a professional or an amateur. see page 10 So therefore the leagues listed cannot be described as "fully professional" because amateur players are not barred from playing in any of them. My suggestion is that the title should be changed to "top level and professional leagues" and/or that the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League and their equivalents in other confederations should be included. Currently articles on players who have played in the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League are been deemed not notable based on the fact that they have not played in a so called "fully professional league". How can a player such as Gareth Seddon, who spent the majority of his career in the lower levels of English football be deemed notable, while a player like David McMillan who have played in the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League be regarded as non-notable. Djln ( talk) 12:33, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Djln, never mind Gareth Seddon. What about Biko Brennan in USL! There is something wrong with the rules that allow lower league Polish players qualify for notability where Ciaran Kilduff is starting his second Europa League campaign and has had his article deleted twice! But he is notable enough to have an article on the french wiki? DavidDublin ( talk) 12:53, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Might be too early but the Philippines is setting a fully-professional league soon, the Philippines Football League as early as March 2017. As stated in this article the league will be fully professional and will have a salary cap for its players. There is also a licensing system to be imposed on the clubs. The only potential setback would be if the league only manage to gather less than six teams which it would mean that it is not recognized by the AFC as a national league but I don't know if it could still be considered a professional league.-- Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 05:05, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
Can this league be added to the fully pro leagues.
"Wages at the top clubs in the Kazakh Premier League average about $15,000 a month, although the highest-paid players can earn double that amount, the source said. Further down the league table, average wages are closer to $6,000-7,000 a month."
http://in.reuters.com/article/soccer-kazakhstan-idINDEE8850C120120906 — Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidDublin ( talk • contribs) 21:30, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 15 | ← | Archive 18 | Archive 19 | Archive 20 | Archive 21 | Archive 22 | → | Archive 25 |
I'm writing to determine the status of American indoor soccer particularly the Major Indoor Soccer League, and the National Professional Soccer League. From my understanding I don't see how both leagues aren't considered fully professional. Mohrflies ( talk) posted severa1 links on August 2013 to support that argument here they are: I recently added a list of professional American indoor leagues to the USA entry, giving a source for each one. This list was deleted with the flippant, "Sources do not confirm the leagues as fully pro." However, the sources were respected soccer historians who characterized the leagues as "professional". Since I did not understand the dismissal of Colin Jose [1], David Litterer [2], Roger Allaway [3] and Steve Holroyd as unreliable sources, I asked another editor what sources I should provide. According to him, sources should speak to "player registration regulations". That will be difficult, in fact impossible for most American professional leagues because "player registration regulations" are non-entities in the American sports scene. However, this other editor also said, "Other types of sources are usually articles that look at football clubs from a business point of view." So, here they are:
Hope this helps. Let me know if you all need more sources looking at clubs from a business point of view. Mohrflies ( talk) 05:50, 1 August 2013 (UTC).
The NPSL old website states that it was professional. [25]. Both leagues had a salary war to sign players [26]. The NPSL secured a television deal with ESPN (a major sports channel) in 1994. [27]. Not to mention the numerous USL players who played in within the league during the off season. Shotgun pete ( talk) 06:45, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Why are the same standards needed to apply to notability for Womens Leagues as an 'aide to define notability', when there are only 3 fully professional womens leagues in the world at the moment. I am sure that these guidelines or standards were predicated on the mens leagues, which have historically and currently had far more money available, to generate professional leagues. Some editors appear to be hiding behind these guidelines as if they are formal rules, and AfD Australian players that havent made the Australian national team. There is some general discussion of this here, and often on talk pages of individual players who's articles are going through AfD. (@ The-Pope: : I am not including you in that sub-set of editors, as you've clearly made the effort to ask rather than launch straight into AfD). Matilda Maniac ( talk) 01:27, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
In the book Moving with the ball: The migration of professional footballers at page 119 it says that Yugoslav First League became fully professional in 1967. Would it be OK for me to add a subsection "Former leagues" and add Yugoslavia, or should I add it as note at Serbia since Serbian SuperLiga was the one that kept all time the league in continuation as "Savezna liga" from 1946 to 2006? FkpCascais ( talk) 04:31, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
How can you consider Dominican Republic's top league professional and not consider Puerto Rico's top league professional when these two leagues have the same level of competition? Seriesphile ( talk · ctb) 23:10, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
I believe this guideline needs to be reviewed. It is my understanding that FIFA does not distinguish between "semi-professional" and "fully professional". A player is either a professional or an amateur. see page 10 So therefore the leagues listed cannot be described as "fully professional" because amateur players are not barred from playing in any of them. My suggestion is that the title should be changed to "top level and professional leagues" and/or that the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League and their equivalents in other confederations should be included. Currently articles on players who have played in the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League are been deemed not notable based on the fact that they have not played in a so called "fully professional league". How can a player such as Gareth Seddon, who spent the majority of his career in the lower levels of English football be deemed notable, while a player like David McMillan who have played in the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League be regarded as non-notable. Djln ( talk) 12:33, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Djln, never mind Gareth Seddon. What about Biko Brennan in USL! There is something wrong with the rules that allow lower league Polish players qualify for notability where Ciaran Kilduff is starting his second Europa League campaign and has had his article deleted twice! But he is notable enough to have an article on the french wiki? DavidDublin ( talk) 12:53, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Might be too early but the Philippines is setting a fully-professional league soon, the Philippines Football League as early as March 2017. As stated in this article the league will be fully professional and will have a salary cap for its players. There is also a licensing system to be imposed on the clubs. The only potential setback would be if the league only manage to gather less than six teams which it would mean that it is not recognized by the AFC as a national league but I don't know if it could still be considered a professional league.-- Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 05:05, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
Can this league be added to the fully pro leagues.
"Wages at the top clubs in the Kazakh Premier League average about $15,000 a month, although the highest-paid players can earn double that amount, the source said. Further down the league table, average wages are closer to $6,000-7,000 a month."
http://in.reuters.com/article/soccer-kazakhstan-idINDEE8850C120120906 — Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidDublin ( talk • contribs) 21:30, 13 September 2016 (UTC)