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Hi,
" Strømsgodset IF is a Norwegian multi-sports club from Gulskogen in Drammen. It has sections for association football, team handball and bandy, but is best known for the top-level football section known as Strømsgodset Toppfotball, which currently plays in Tippeligaen, the Norwegian top flight."
Should I create a separate page for Strømsgodset Toppfotball? In Norwegian football, investors are not allowed to own a sport club, but they can own a separate joint-stock company that can compete on behalf of the sports club. Thus, Strømsgodset Toppfotball competes on behalf of Strømsgodset IF, Stabæk Fotball competes on behalf of Stabæk IF, Vålerenga Fotball on behalf of Vålerengens IF and so on. It seems like most other clubs have two separate articles.
The Norwegian Bokmål Wikipedia has separate articles for Strømsgodset Toppfotball and Strømsgodset IF, and the Norwegian Nynorsk Wikipedia only has an article for Strømsgodset Toppfotball
I was reminded of this oddity yesterday, when UEFA drew the 1st qualifying round for the Europa League. While their website now refers to Strømsgodset IF, their TV coverage refered to Strømsgodset Toppfotball.
If I go ahead, do I move the current article to Strømsgodset Toppfotball, clean it up (it's mostly about the football) and create a new page for the multi-sports club?
Cashewnøtt ( talk) 12:23, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Does anybody know if Ikechukwu Uche and his brother Kalu Uche's full names are for real? According to BDFUTBOL.com (reliable source) they are, but I had a user in the former removing it with the summary "false name" and no proof backing up their removal.
In a related note, I have seen BDFUTBOL add a second surname to several Yugoslav footballers (see for example Nenad Gračan, where he is named Nenad Gracan Stanisic), but that's not common is it? Maybe User:FkpCascais can shed some light in this second paragraph.
Attentively -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 18:24, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Is {{ 2014–15 La Liga Team of the Year}} notable? SLBedit ( talk) 02:02, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi all. I'm here because this footballer, Aleksandar Kuzmanovski, it's a fake and it must be eliminated as soon as possible. Worldfootball.com, Transfermarkt.co.uk, Vardar 2011-2012. Sorry for my english, i'm an italian user. -- Dimitrij Kasev ( talk) 06:04, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone know if the Costa Rican Primera División is a fully-professional league? The article about it uses the word "professional", but without a source. Basically, I'm trying to review Draft:Alejandro Gómez Bermúdez, and it hinges on if this league is fully professional. I guess the answer is no. Joseph2302 ( talk) 19:14, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
So Alejandro Gómez Bermúdez has just been accepted at AfC by @ Sulfurboy:, which now means we need to decide whether or not he passes WP:NFOOTY ASAP. I say no, because I've not seen a definitive source that says the Costa Rican football league is a WP:FPL. Joseph2302 ( talk) 17:35, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
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Recently there has been a flurry of activity around deleting season articles for clubs who don't play in a fully pro league. Thus far this has (as far as I'm aware) only involved articles relating to teams who have never played in a fully pro league, but how should we handle season articles for teams who now play in a fully pro league and have done for the vast majority of their existence but at one time did not? An extreme example would be 1883–84 Newton Heath LYR F.C. season - on the one hand it's Man United, but on the other they did not play in a fully pro league at the time (or indeed in any league at all)........ -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:18, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi, should Sweden national under-23 football team be split to have it own olympic article like for example Portugal Olympic football team? Currently we link to olympic articles for some teams (using Template:Fbo) and for some teams we use template:fbu to link to youth articles. For sweden they had an old U23 team that got defunct in the 70s but when the olympics started for youth teams we continued on u23 article. I dont mind doing the work if it is okay to create olympics article. Qed237 (talk) 13:00, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi All, I've had a message from a user purporting to be Jamie McAllister, asking for the new photo I added to be page to be removed. I'm looking for guidance on how to proceed; I would say the new image gives a clearer view of the subject's face, and I'm uncomfortable with the project being dictated to by the subject of an article. Any ideas? Mattythewhite ( talk) 21:42, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
I have opened a discussion at WT:MOSNUM that participants here might be interested in contributing to. It relates to the WP:MOSNUM clause about primary units for personal weight and height of British people, including football players. Speccy4Eyes ( talk) 20:32, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Should copyrighted logos, when no different to the main team, be used on articles on reserve teams? Articles for Spanish and German teams use them, while they are omitted on Portuguese teams. The exceptions should be that Sevilla's reserves have a COMPLETELY different badge, and that Borussia Dortmund's badge is not copyrighted as it is just a circle and plain text. '''tAD''' ( talk) 18:50, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Whenever I go on the article about ANY footballer, I just see the Wikipedia logo, and an entirely black screen. This is whether I am on Chrome or Internet Explorer. If I log out, it reads fine.
What the hell is happening? Has somebody given me a virus to stop me doing my work??
I know this might not be what this talk page is for, but still!!! '''tAD''' ( talk) 10:26, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Actually it's not all, I've found. Roberto Firmino and Memphis Depay seem to be problems '''tAD''' ( talk) 10:30, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Everything is clear now! Glad this all sorted out! I can remember once when somebody fiddled with the image sizing on a template, making all of them HUGE. I tried manually making every single one smaller until it got back to normal '''tAD''' ( talk) 10:46, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I have been working a lot with Champions League and Europa League related articles and I wanted to check when FOOTY thinks it is time to create the articles for 2017/18 seasons?
It may sound too soon but UEFA has already released the regulations (same for three seasons in a row for 2015-18 cycle) and the accesslist as to what nation will join what rounds (for example nation ranked 50 will have three teams in first qualifying round). The coefficients for that nation rank will be taken from this season and in ten days the first nations could be eliminated and we would know their coefficient in the nation ranking.
Also some leagues qualifies for 2017/18 CL and EL with upcoming seasons that will be created during this autumn, for example "2016 Allsvenskan" will probably be created in the next few months when teams start to qualify for it. Then it might be good to have the 2017/18 season articles to avoid redlinks in the league articles and avoid unexperienced editors create one-line articles.
But it is still not being played for two years (but we have 2018 FIFA World Cup for example) so is it too soon? Qed237 (talk) 22:01, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Okay thanks for all the replies, currently I have the articles in two of my sandboxes, ready for action. Final venues and if Italy overtakes England might take a year and that is too long (2016/17 was created in december), but I can understand everyones thoughts. Qed237 (talk) 14:21, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Football writing people, here is one uncompleted article, that you could work on. -- Edgars2007 ( talk/ contribs) 18:53, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
There's a bit of a kerfuffle at Liverpool F.C.–Manchester United F.C. rivalry about the distinction between major and minor honours in the comparison of the two clubs' successes. Apparently, the Community Shield, the UEFA Super Cup, the Intercontinental Cup and the Club World Cup aren't considered major enough to receive the same recognition as competitions like the Premier League, FA Cup, League Cup, Champions League, Europa League and Cup Winners' Cup (and all predecessors). A side effect of this is that it happens to put Liverpool ahead of Manchester United on "major" honours. In fairness, these categorisations are sourced to an extent, but I feel that the sources have been cherry-picked to suit a particular definition, rather than the other way around. Objectively, the Community Shield, the Super Cup, the Intercontinental Cup and the Club World Cup are just as important as the others, especially since you actually have to win something (i.e. one of the so-called "major" trophies) to even play in them in the first place, so the whole idea of major/minor honours is spurious, IMO. Opinions would be welcomed either here or on the article talk page. – Pee Jay 21:20, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
what does it mean to be a member of a wikiproject ? I have no idea about wikiprojects and i would like it if someone explains to me. Jallouljalloul ( talk) 02:52, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Guess I think I know the answer to this but just to check:- West Ham's season kicks off next Thursday in the Europa League playing Andorran's finest, FC Lusitanos who are not a pro-club. West Ham manager Bilic has said he will (he may not!) play some youth/Development players. Many of these have never played for the first team and thus no Wiki article. Very little on these guys (mostly 16/17 year olds) to pass GNG, so is playing against an Andorran team in the quals of the Europa League enough to pass WP:NFOOTBALL? I ask mostly because If I don't create articles for these guys, there is a good chance someone else will. -- Egghead06 ( talk) 07:19, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Could I get your opinion on this edit.. When have we ever used the term "on the payroll".. ridiculous IMO. JMHamo ( talk) 23:51, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
I've a problem with the article FC Admira Wacker Mödling. Please help me! — Preceding unsigned comment added by XaviYuahanda ( talk • contribs) 17:12, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Is "Portuguese giants" and "national powerhouse" considered WP:PEACOCK? SLBedit ( talk) 20:10, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Removed from tons of articles. SLBedit ( talk) 00:47, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Should [[Category:CLUB players]] be added to a player's article when the player did not play any match in the first team? SLBedit ( talk) 22:13, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
There is also "national giants" to be removed. SLBedit ( talk) 18:24, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
There is a lot of "local giants" too. SLBedit ( talk) 18:43, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
What about "player X joined Y champions"? SLBedit ( talk) 11:58, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
And what about "joined the defending champions", how is this puffery? SLBedit ( talk) 10:28, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Found an article for an Aron Rodríguez earlier and I don't think this person exists. Think it may be someone creating a Wiki page for themselves, or a fictional video game player. The editor has included 'sources' which are extremely questionable, including one to an obscure child actor from Colombia on IMDB. Even if this person was real, his football 'career' would be non-notable. Can others take a look and advise on deleting? Kivo ( talk) 23:17, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
On the map that is currently used for the AFC Champions League For some unknown reason, central Kazakhstan has a random oval shape inside of it, as seen below. Could someone possibly edit this out? Thanks! - J man708 ( talk) 04:21, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Aren't Cardiff City Ladies F.C. and Cardiff City FC (women) the same club? If not can anyone suggest better names? @ Koppapa: as creator of the latter. Giant Snowman 17:12, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm out tonight, so when the game has finished and both articles are updated, could somebody nominate them to WP:ITN, including a portrait of the winning captain?
Example:
In association football Argentina/ Chile (captain Lionel Messi/ Claudio Bravo pictured) win the Copa América, defeating Argentina/ Chile in the final
'''tAD''' ( talk) 18:48, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Just a quick case study of the Premier League's released/retained lists: Wes Brown was named as a player to be released by Sunderland A.F.C. at the end of the 2014-15 season, which led to people removing Sunderland from the "current club" field in Brown's infobox, etc. However, Brown has been re-signed for another year, which meant re-adding all the info to his article. I therefore would recommend that we remain vigilant when it comes to released/retained lists, as even players specified as "released" don't actually leave their club until 1 July each year and can still be re-signed. – Pee Jay 15:36, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
I've noticed something about Euro 2016 qualifying Group E. At the moment, England are displayed as being guaranteed a 3rd place finish in that group, marked with an (x). However, it is possible (only just) that England finish 4th in that group. It would involve a highly improbable chain of events, but nevertheless it is not a mathematical certainty that England will finish at least 3rd. I checked on the edit page, looks like there's some sort of algorithm in place to calculate the tables, so there must be an error in there somewhere. Unless I'm missing something huge, that (x) needs to be dropped, as England need 2 more points from that group to fully guarantee a 3rd place finish. 82.2.105.83 ( talk) 10:45, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
I plan on starting a discussion at Mos Flag however since when did we start allowing flags to be used in club season articles in friendly sections. I'm fully aware that I have steered well clear of here for a few years but when I was active there was discussions not allowing this. In club friendlies they are not representing their county unlike in international competition such as the champions league. The flags are implying where a team usually plays not what nationality someone is or who they are representing. Can see no justification for there use for friendlies. Blethering Scot 16:48, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi all, sorry to bring this up as I know it has been discussed a lot, however a user has recently gone through a number of season articles removing flags from teams engaged in friendlies. I tried to discuss with him at his talk page, however I got a fairly belligerent response and he "banned" me from his talk page. He has since blanked our conversation. However this policy page [ [5]] states that this article [ [6]] complies with the flag guidelines. The revisions appear to be in contravention of that, I do not wish to engage in an edit war so I'm bringing it here example article edited [ [7]]. Does anyone have any advise. Paul Bradbury 16:53, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi, an dispute at 2015–16 Manchester United F.C. season where I need more input. On "transfers out" I think released players should be listed as "released" and not their current club. An other editor disagrees, saying that was not how it was done on older tables. But as I said these tables are not for current clubs? Then we should go back and modify many old tables afterwards, it makes more sence listing them as how the left, if they were released they were relased and not sold to another club. Qed237 (talk) 13:46, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
These players were released; the fact they have subsequently signed with a new club is irrelevant as far as this transfer table is concerned. Giant Snowman 15:13, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
What I do with released players, is initially list the player as "released" (in the Fee column) and nothing in the Club column. But if/when they join their next club, I list that club in brackets in the Club column, and a note under the table that says "Brackets round a club denote the player joined that club after his Birmingham City contract expired". It may not technically be a transfer out, and people may well think that what a player does after their release is irrelevant to the club/season, but it works for me, and it's harmlessly informative for the reader. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 16:18, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
There is a debate about keeping or removing national flags from "Friendly games" of the Manchester City Football season. As this has the potential to affect many football team's seasonal articles, an RfC has been initiated at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons (Sport season articles and flag use for club nationality). Please add an opinion either way if this is a subject that interests you. Thanks. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 09:11, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Does WP:FOOTY believe this category is appropriate: Category:FIFA Women's World Cup-winning captains? In any case, the flag icons displayed on the category page need to go. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 05:27, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Not a good category. Does it include squad captains if they don't play? What about if the captain goes off during a game and someone takes over the armband? I'd go for deletion. Number 5 7 12:38, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello, mates.
I've created an article about the 2015 Costa Rican Cup, which has a knockout format featuring 20 teams; all of them starting in the same first stage. Normally, the number of participating teams in knockout stages are based upon a Power of two (that means, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, etc...), which is not the case of this particular tournament.
After reading the official tournament rules published by UNAFUT (In Spanish), it seems they solve this issue by using a "best loser" rule, in which a team can still qualify even after losing a stage, but having scored more goals than the other losing teams in that particular stage (if there's more than one team having a same amount of goals, a draw would be held to determine the qualifying team). This happens in two stages of the tournament (2nd and 3rd).
Another problem with this tournament is that its 1st and 2nd stages are just one-legged (and so does the final), while the third stage and the semi-finals are two-legged.
In brief, the tournament goes this way:
Certainly, this is a weird format for a tournament, and as you might see, the 20 team bracket template isn't useful for this specific tournament. You can see the official bracket here.
Since I'm not experienced with templates (especially those involving brackets), I am addressing to the community for help creating a template to solve this issue.
Greetings.
-- AndSalx95 ( talk) 00:38, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
PeeJay2K3 removed international goals from Ángel Di María, then other users added it back. If Lionel Messi lists international goals, why not list Di María's? SLBedit ( talk) 11:27, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
The article for Pelé's international goals has been created. SLBedit ( talk) 13:42, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Bryan Ruiz goals - which source would you trust: Soccerbase says 12 league goals and Soccerway has 11 for Fulham. Thanks, JMHamo ( talk) 12:27, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
FK Spartak Zlatibor Voda was ever since the beginning called FK Spartak Subotica, but in summer 2008 the were merged with FK Zlatibor Voda and changed the name to FK Spartak Zlatibor Voda. Zlatibor Voda is actually a sponsor. it is a bottled water company. However, in summer 2014 FK Spartak returned its name to the historic FK Spartak Subotica ( Subotica is the city the club is from). They even changed their website from http://www.fkspartakzlatiborvoda.com/ (where you can see the announcement that they are changing to a new website) to http://www.fkspartak.com/ . Honestly, it passed a year already, and I was lazy to ask it, but now it is really time to move FK Spartak Zlatibor Voda to FK Spartak Subotica. FkpCascais ( talk) 20:44, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
Is this team (or any of the other sides in the league) notable? -- Dweller ( talk) 13:17, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi all, so I am currently having a different point of view about the WP:INFOBOXREF rule with User:Målfarlig!. We have had some reverting on several articles, such as Luciana Maria Dionizio, Fabiana da Silva Simões and Andressa Alves da Silva. We had a discussion but it seems we could not reach to an agreement on this topic. Basically he keeps on adding references to the infobox, which I edited since it failes WP:INFOBOXREF and moved the source into the body or lead of article. Basically I did not deleted any source nor content, but simply moved them to other sections. User:Målfarlig! seems to disagree and simply ignore the rules that I mentioned. I would like to know what you guys think about this. Thanks! MbahGondrong ( talk) 22:51, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Thoughts on {{ Football League One Apprentice of the Year}} before I take to TFD (or not)? I've never even heard of the award... Giant Snowman 17:23, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Now at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 July 11#Football League Apprentice of the Year. Giant Snowman 15:44, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Any reason Category:Footballers in Brazil by club is entirely broken down by state cub-categories? Giant Snowman 18:19, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
What is the community's opinion on this article? Is the match worthy of having its own article? It certainly is a remarkable match, but I don't want to do anymore work on it, until I know for sure it meets our notability criteria. Would be a lot of hard work wasted. Thoughts please. NapHit ( talk) 16:57, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Take two: is this category deemed overkill or not? If so, it should be deleted no? I see that the creator, User:Joeykai, has not received any message in his page regarding this matter, so methinks the category is to stay (thus not being considered overkill even though it clearly is in my humble opinion)?
Attentively, happy Saturday all -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 18:37, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that Mariner2222 ( talk · contribs) has gone through a slew of articles and changed "soccer" in opening sentences to "football (soccer)". I've asked the user to maybe respect WP:ENGVAR, but Mariner2222 didn't think it was an issue. Anyway, a massive wave of changes like this probably requires a discussion. I think it unnecessarily brings a foreign English variant, and puts "soccer", a perfectly acceptable (and not to mention more precise) shorthand for "association football) as secondary to the other, less frequently used (at least in North America) shorthand. Mosmof ( talk) 12:16, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
I was going to raise the issue of Mariner2222's recent edits changing "soccer" to "association football (soccer)" in articles about American teams and players, but I see the WP:FOOTY brain trust already has this problem well in hand. FYI, other American sports editors have already reverted all of Mariner2222's edits per WP:ENGVAR. Enough said. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 12:55, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
yeah. it's association football. so what will it be? association football, or football (soccer), since soccer alone is definitely not the correct name of the game. it's a regional nickname, similar to footie, that is confusing to any outsider. Mariner2222 ( talk) 13:10, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Edit War and 3RR notices - Mariner2222 continues to make these changes, even during this discussion, and has been given appropriate notices regarding edit-warring and 3RR on his user talk page. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 13:20, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
The name of the game was originally 'football'. It became association football to distinguish it from Rugby football but no-one refers to it as association in the same way that rugby is used for that code. When I was growing up football and soccer were probably used equally as shorthand for the game. Soccer seemed to fade from the (UK) vernacular of the day once the American leagues were established, but it is still widely recognised in my experience. To claim that it is merely a local term for the game cannot really be correct. Eagleash ( talk) 17:35, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Why not just use association football through out? Sport and politics ( talk) 11:13, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Did wiki project had any previous discussion to make this template a speedy deletion? Even i supported Inter, there is no reason to let these final template flooded into player article. Matthew_hk t c 18:22, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
I thought there is consensus that the name of the club's article (except for add-ons like FC) should be used in the infobox as per WP:COMMONNAME. In Xherdan Shaqiri an editor is changing the names from Inter Milan to Internazionale again. I have not preference for either name as such, but I would expect that the name of the club's article is the correct one. Is there something wrong with this assumption? -- Jaellee ( talk) 20:14, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
The current name is Inter Milan and that is what should be used, so mass-changing to Internazionale is disruptive. However I would support a WP:RM. Giant Snowman 06:50, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
The club's name is Internazionale, therefore, we should be using that. SLBedit ( talk) 12:27, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
@ Jaellee, PeeJay2K3, Koppapa, GiantSnowman, and SLBedit: I pinged those involved in this discussion to notify about the request at Talk:Inter Milan#Requested move 5 July 2015. Hope I did not forget anyone. Qed237 (talk) 17:14, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Hey, articles like this should be avoided, am i correct? Kante4 ( talk) 13:50, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Any opinions on WP:N of this club season article? Level 9 on the pyramid is usually a tad too low to warrant a standalone article, however is there any coverage I am currently not aware of which would give the subject notability after all? -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 20:46, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Men's Football at the 2015 Pacific Games has received a bit of attention in the last day over New Zealand's disqualification for an ineligible player. Some eyes on these pages would be appreciated. Hack ( talk) 01:58, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
A discussion at Talk:2015 National Women's Soccer League season. We have some teams that have played 9 matches, others 10 through 12, yet there is a chart that shows position by "weeks". Feel free to discuss. Cheers. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 06:09, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Lately User:PeeJay2K3 has been going around removing the international goals section in many articles claiming that the debates here and here prove a clear conscientious on removing the goal section when in fact no clear conscientious was ever reached in these debates. International goals are fairly notable and generate significant media coverage, in my opinion they should be kept. True Wikipedia is not a democracy, but neither is it an oligarchy where just because two or three editors get together all of a sudden it is set in stone. Inter&anthro ( talk) 15:27, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
The term "side" is used in several articles and is not readily known to those outside the sport either as participants or fans. It should be explained in the glossary. Although WP is not a dictionary, if the term is used in WP then it should be explained. Srednuas Lenoroc ( talk) 11:51, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
PeeJay2K3 believes that runner-up honours should not be listed and says there is concensus about it (see the discussion). But where? SLBedit ( talk) 20:32, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
To paraphrase an argument from WT:CRIC, Wikipedia articles should be predominantly prose-based, with supplementary sections to help summarise the key points of the article. Any time a player participates in any competition, provided it's sufficiently notable, it should be noted in the prose of the article, not just added to a (usually unsourced) list of honours. If anything must be added to a list of honours, it should only be times when the player actually won the competition. If we start getting into times when the player came second, we start getting into dicey territory: some competitions award medals for second/third place, most don't; if we start distinguishing between competitions based on the awarding of medals (or even making up our own criteria), we'd either end up with a gross inconsistency by only listing a select few runner-up "honours" or we'd have to list them all, which would lead to some being listed without good reason. But then there's a third option: not listing any runner-up "honours", which avoids the problem altogether and rather sticks more rigidly to the correct definition of what an honour actually is. – Pee Jay 23:39, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
The template mentioned above is deprecated, as the website does not contain any player profiles anymore. What should we do to it? MYS 77 ✉ 02:06, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Do we have any Accrington Stanley supporters in here? If so, have they heard of a guy named Christopher Ilias who is supposed to have been playing for the team between 2006 and 2009? Or, given that there currently also is a BLP-tagged article named Christopherilias, which more or less is the same article, can this article even be speedied under some criteria? -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 11:02, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I have noticed that no one uses {{
fb si player}}'s parameter ni
("nationality as international player (if different from nb
)"). Instead, "Second nationality: COUNTRY" is added to notes
. Why?
SLBedit (
talk)
10:52, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
And why isn't written "Second nation"? A country's name is not a nationality/demonym. SLBedit ( talk) 11:11, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that User:Marchjuly has been removing national team logos from national team articles as the logos on the page were not for the team but for the football federation and that since the national team is a child entity it should not be used in the article. Instead, the logo of the team specifically should be used. Personally, to me, that is bull***. I mean, the teams wear the logos on their kits for gods sake. When the AFC or FIFA release tournament brackets or graphics on television they use the India FA logo to depict the national team, if not using the flag. Same for all other national teams. I just want someone to look into this... also I have not seen a discussion on this at all yet. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 04:40, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
So... are we going to come to a conclusion here? The India badge is still removed while others remain, that is harshly unfair and I do not like the lackadaisical attitude towards this. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 19:33, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Can some admin look into keep IP editors from reverting FC Arsenal-Kyiv Kyiv to a separate article? The club has assume the club name from the previous club FC Arsenal Kyiv and there is enough information from the club's website that they are assuming the club's history - all the way to 1925. The club wanted to used the same name but the Ukrainian Football Federation forced the club on formalities. However the club is quite clear in where they come from and their emblem has the same name. Also the Ukrainian Wikipedia is also using the same logic Арсенал (Київ). Brudder Andrusha ( talk) 23:33, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Both of you are very lucky I didn't block you lengthy periods of time for this and this. Can someone uninvolved tell me what's going on? -- NeilN talk to me 02:48, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi. A quick question, is Wanderson Carvalho de Oliveira notable? Qed237 (talk) 15:25, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello to you all, and sorry to come with a similar request than one I did not so long ago. Player Xavier Chavalerin has 2 pages, one with the right spelling and one with a spelling mistake. Correct spelling can be seen on his new club official site, or his official league profile. If I remember correctly, this issue is solved by a simple page redirect but I wanted to be sure before doing it. Thanks in advance for your answer(s). Tuttiseme ( talk) 15:30, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello to you all, I'm French, so excuse-me for my potential approximative english. As I was creating pages of all players in Euro competitions in the French WP by using English WP, I noticed that 1964 European Nations' Cup squads has players (these with no pages) that aren't in the sources (RSSSF). Then I see that Special:Contributions/189.214.5.36 has made modifications last year which are as well strange to me. Are these modifications justified ? Thanks -- Kiply ( talk) 23:36, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Could a footballers official Facebook, Twitter, Instagram ect.. accounts be included in external links? I'm going to assume they are allowed because I just read WP:LINKSTOAVOID and number 9 says social networking sites shouldn't be allowed. However, at the top it says "Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject" and a footballer's official social network page comes under that, right? Thursby16 ( talk) 22:10, 16 July 2015 (UTC) @ Pbradbury:
The caps of Russian for Soviet Union, CIS and Russia Team should or should not break down to respective team, or in the infobox as one item: USSR/CIS/Russia. Same rule apply, for SFR Yugoslavia, FR Yugoslavia and Serbia, should or should not break down to respective teams? Matthew_hk t c 13:49, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
JRRobinson ( talk · contribs) always marks ALL edits as minor. What can be done? JMHamo ( talk) 14:55, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi all,
Do four games at
Braintree Town F.C. get this player over
WP:NFOOTBALL? I can never remember the technicalities to do with lower level teams here. Is Braintree Town fully professional?
Thanks! Pete "the
football,
football,
football,
football,
football, etc, fan" AU aka --
Shirt58 (
talk)
08:55, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi all, I would like to ask why the international goal table for Brazilian women footballers have different style as the mens? As example in Cristiane, Formiga, Rosana dos Santos Augusto and Marta. The mens used a more common table, such as Kaká and Dani Alves. Could anyone explain the reason for the womens article having such style? Particularly, I dont understand the meaning of the "#" column on the womens article. MbahGondrong ( talk) 13:58, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
There's one editor on 2015–16 Fulham F.C. season that is insisting scorelines should not have spaces in them, and this looks like it may end up in an edit war. In my opinion, having spaces makes the article look better and looks more professional. He's pointing to WP:ENDASH, which I don't think covers sporting events. Just to compare, though, for example, I believe the bottom is better:
11 July 2015 Training Match | Fulham | 3–1 | Aston Villa | Albufeira, Portugal |
19:30 CEST |
Smith ![]() Kačaniklić ![]() McCormack ![]() |
Report |
Kozák ![]() |
Stadium: Estadio Da Nora |
11 July 2015 Training Match | Fulham | 3 – 1 | Aston Villa | Albufeira, Portugal |
19:30 CEST |
Smith ![]() Kačaniklić ![]() McCormack ![]() |
Report |
Kozák ![]() |
Stadium: Estadio Da Nora |
Would appreciate a consensus and feedback on this. Spa-Franks ( talk) 12:25, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
I have nominated the above for deletion, however i acknowledge the project should have a flag guideline. This as discussed is not a policy or guideline but more of an editors essay. It would maybe be better moved to a draft or user space.
Would anyone be interested in working on a more up to date and accurate flag guideline for the project and put it to the project for updated consensus. It's clear we need one. Blethering Scot 18:15, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
I was reading a news item that mentioned Thomas Rongen earlier today, which reminded me of the film Next Goal Wins. This got me thinking about that phrase – if you said to most people in the UK, I would imagine they would think of the informal football game format rather than the film
Looking at the Glossary of association football terms article, it doesn't seem to have many words used in informal football – "rush keeper" being the next one I looked for. There are also myriad terms for the version of a rush keeper where any nearby player can act as the goalie (at my school it was known as "monkey", but I know from playing with people from different parts of England that there are a few other names for it – please weigh in with yours!).
Do these terms have a place in the glossary? Number 5 7 11:49, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
At AfD now : Cubbies AfD.. Thanks ChrisTheDude... JMHamo ( talk) 07:55, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
User:Kante4, as he is perfectly entitled, removed the cited fact that Navas has inherited Iker Casillas' #1 shirt. I would like a discussion as I see this as a worthy edition: Unlike most number changes which are added in, this is sourced, and the number is symbolic not just as it was worn by IC, but that it is often associated with the main-choice goalkeeper. Then again you can call that synth, but the number change itself is sourced '''tAD''' ( talk) 20:49, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
User:Qed237 has been changing a lot of articles about recent Champions League/Europa League seasons to include tautologous names such as VPS Vaasa, RoPS Rovaniemi and ÍF Fuglafjørður. For a start, the article titles are horribly inconsistent, but my main concern is that these names are tautologous and therefore wrong. As one editor who moved HJK Helsinki to Helsingin Jalkapalloklubi a few years ago said, referring to HJK by the name "HJK Helsinki" is like referring to Manchester United as "Manchester United Manchester". Article titles are one thing, but can we at least agree that we shouldn't be piping to wrong names in article text? – Pee Jay 17:03, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
@ GiantSnowman and PeeJay2K3: If no one here opposes I can move "HJK Helsinki" to "Helsingin Jalkapalloklubi"? Should ÍF Fuglafjørður and similar also be moved and to what? "Ítróttarfelag Fuglafjarðar" or "ÍF (football club)", and the other as redirect? Also, I will go through the articles again and remove the edits I made if that is what we decide. Qed237 (talk) 19:31, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
@ PeeJay2K3, Number 57, and GiantSnowman: So what is next step here to get consistency? A new move request for AZ Alkmaar to move to AZ (football club) and then start moving the other Tauntologies? Or should we move Seinäjoen Jalkapallokerho to "SJK Seinäjoki" to be consistent with the AZ article? Qed237 (talk) 20:55, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
@ PeeJay2K3, Number 57, and GiantSnowman: Now move requested at Talk:AZ Alkmaar#Requested move 21 July 2015. Qed237 (talk) 11:31, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Is this guy notable, teammates? Per this source (see here http://www.foradejogo.net/player.php?player=198412010005, Portuguese as him), only top flight competition he appeared in was the Indonesian Premier League, does this grant him notability and/or WP article? Other than that, we have Spanish fourth and fifth level, Greek/German third level, Maltese second level and Cypriot second level, not your average full pro, hey?
Attentively, thanks in advance -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 14:23, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, according to SOCCERWAY.com (which I have now retrieved to his page), he did play pro footy in the Greek second tier (Anagennisi), well mentioned by you sir. Also, some of the stats seemed well toyed with (especially those 112/72 in TWO seasons with Almada), I adjusted them with the help of (mainly) FDJ.
Thanks to both for your inputs, continue with the good work -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 20:44, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi, Could someone take a look at 2015–16 Chelsea F.C. season#First Team Squad? It is more than 40 players (league has max 25?) and a lot of unsourced info not needed, like transfer fee. Qed237 (talk) 22:08, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Will people please remember this is an encyclopaedia and not a football magazine. If there are no reliable sources, then it should go, it doesn't matter that you think it looks nice. JMHamo ( talk) 12:44, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
A little off point, but First Team Squad should read as First team squad as per WP:CAPS. -- Jimbo [online] 12:55, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Can one of you football experts take a look at Category:National Women's Soccer League players? It appears to include the same players in this main category, as well as the subcategories broken out by team. As a general rule of Wikipedia categorization, we do not include a subject in both a parent category and a subcategory of the parent -- am I missing something here that is specific to football/soccer? Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 18:00, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
The Athletic Bilbao official website has changed configuration for the umpteenth time. User:MYS77 has already kindly "revived" all the links for the current players, but is there any way to do the same for the HUNDREDS of old ones? Or do we have to do it manually?
Attentively -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 03:14, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Born in England to Nigerian parents, he hasn't represented any country yet at youth level. However in this interview he is asked "Do you see yourself as Nigerian or English?" and he says "I see myself as a Nigerian". So do we put a Nigerian flag rather than an English flag?-- Echetus Xe 11:54, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Kalas has had two loan spells at Middlesbrough. The first ended, and he returned to Chelsea and could not train at Middlesbrough (I assume he trained in some aspect at Chelsea from then on). Months later, without playing any more games for Chelsea, he returned to Boro. Should the infobox feature two loan spells at Boro, or one? '''tAD''' ( talk) 20:18, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
This guy represented Northern Ireland and then later Republic of Ireland under-21s, but was born in England. What's his "correct" nationality? According to FIFA, he would be Irish, right? Because ThePeoplesGame is insisting that he is English. MYS 77 ✉ 15:13, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi, we have an issue with an editor that has several Drafts declined but he goes ahead and move article himself to mainspace anyway. I reported to ANI. For that reason I started to look at his creations (please help) and saw Wiener AF. Is this article notable? Qed237 (talk) 13:26, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I have been under the impression that season articles are for the senior team, but User:Parxpower does not agree and re-added development squad, youth transfers (in and out), pre-season friendlies and U21 league matches. Can we get some clarity here? Are these articles for senior team only or youth also? Qed237 (talk) 11:29, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
appears to be down. Clicking on the main page gives a webhosting page, and any other page comes up as 404. Given how much it's used for sourcing tables, results and the like, I do hope it's nothing terminal. Anyone know anything? cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 09:11, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
In danger of breaking the 3RR User:RichardOwen97. He is basing his edits on this source. I have emailed historicalkits.co.uk to correct them mistakenly listing the purple alternate kit as the team's main away kit. The amber kit is listed as the away kit here, with the purple strip as the third kit. The purple strip was released as an alternative kit for one match last season, with the club's website stating "a shirt which we will continue to use occasionally both this season and next". Speaking in May 2015 chairman Smurthwaite announced that "I have also made the decision not to replace the away shirt because I understand the costs associated for fans supporting a football club". No source states that the purple kit has replaced the amber/black kit as the club's away kit for this season.-- Echetus Xe 21:46, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
New article about Enoch Barwuah. His brother, Mario Balotelli, is notable. I'm not sure this subject is. Someone more informed on Italian football should investigate. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 23:54, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Hey, can someone go take a look at Jeff Reine-Adelaïde? It was up for speedy deletion via A7 and I'm just familiar enough with football to know that the Arsenals is a professional team, which is a good assertion of notability. However I'm not familiar enough to know if the Emirates Cup would be enough to have him firmly pass NFOOTY, although I will note that a quick glance at news coverage shows that he was fairly well lauded as a golden boy by the team's manager so even if it isn't it looks like there may be enough coverage for him to pass as a whole. This definitely needs some TLC from someone who is more familiar with the sport than I am. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 06:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
As we run up to the 80th anniversary of Carrow Road, and a celebratory match against West Ham, the article's had a good old polish and is now almost as glorious as the team that plays at the ground. ;-) I'd welcome some supports or constructive criticism at the review page: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Carrow Road/archive1 Many thanks, -- Dweller ( talk) 09:06, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
I have had a discussion at my talkpage with User:Klõps regarding piping of team names in {{ 2015 Meistriliiga table}} and since we can not agree any input would be appreciated.
The discussion is mainly about how to pipe the clubs Tartu JK Tammeka and Viljandi JK Tulevik.
When I created the table I made these pipings:
I made the pipings based on different pages and how other display the teams, according to
Team\Site | UEFA | FIFA | Estonian league | Soccerway | Flashscore | Livefootball |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
FC Flora | FC Flora Tallinn | Flora Tallinn | Tallinna FC Flora | Flora | Flora | Flora Tallinn |
FC Infonet | FC Infonet Tallinn | FC Infonet | Tallinna FC Infonet | Tallinna Infonet | Infonet | Infonet Tallinn |
FC Levadia Tallinn | FC Levadia Tallinn | FC Levadia Tallinn | Tallinna FC Levadia | Levadia | Levadia | Levadia Tallinn |
JK Narva Trans | JK Narva Trans | Trans Narva | JK Narva Trans | Trans | Narva | Trans Narva |
Nõmme Kalju FC | Nõmme Kalju FC | Kalju Nõmme | Nõmme Kalju FC | Nõmme Kalju | Kalju | Nomme JK Kalju |
JK Sillamäe Kalev | JK Sillamäe Kalev | Kalev Sillamäe | JK Sillamäe Kalev | Sillamäe Kalev | Sillamäe Kalev | JK Sillamae Kalev |
Paide Linnameeskond | Paide Linnameeskond | Paide Linnameeskond | Paide Linnameeskond | Paide | Paide Linnameeskond | Paide Linnameeskond |
Pärnu Linnameeskond | Pärnu Linnameeskond | Pärnu Linnameeskond | Pärnu Linnameeskond | Pärnu | Pärnu Linnameeskond | Pärnu Linnameeskond |
Tartu JK Tammeka | JK Tammeka Tartu | Tammeka Tartu | Tartu JK Tammeka | Tammeka | Tammeka Tartu | Tammeka |
Viljandi JK Tulevik | Tulevik | Tulevik Viljandi | Viljandi JK Tulevik | Tulevik | Tulevik | Tulevik Viljandi |
Looking at the table above (undisputed top 8 first), FC Flora is mainly known as "Flora Tallinn" internationally and when playing in UEFA competitions (Champions league and Europa league) and the top 8 seems pretty standard. Perhaps FC Infonet should be piped to "Infonet Tallinn" instead of just "Infonet"?
But the two last teams are in dispute. Not a single source, except the estonian league, lists Tammeka as "Tartu Tammeka" that User:Klõps tried changing to but all seems to start with Tammeka and to list as "Tammeka Tartu" doers not seem wrong? Same for Tulevik.
Also if/when they will play in Europa League or Champions League I feel like many sources, like BBC, will just follow UEFA and they will be Tammeka Tartu as WP:COMMONNAME just like FC Flora is known as "Flora Tallinn".
User:Klõps does not agree, referring to jktammeka.ee and jktulevik.ee to verify their real name and say we should follow the real names on the estonian association page and not rearrange the words (while I think WP:COMMONNAME). I will let him respond with his arguments more himself, if he feel it is needed.
Please help. Do you have any input? Qed237 (talk) 13:48, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
So as we had no consensus here. I removed the place names from Tammeka, Tulevik and Infonet (as it has been in Estonian league articles before) and which I think is clearest to understand for people from other countries. And the place names aren't commonly used in Estonia. Two seconds later Qed237 undid my edit and the matches update. -- Klõps ( talk) 20:31, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Any more input on this? "Tammeka" or "Tammeka Tartu"? "Infonet" or "Infonet Tallinn"? "Tulevik" or "Tulevik Viljandi"? Qed237 (talk) 20:51, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Qed237 still continues the edit fight. I can't see a clear support for his versions of commonnames here as he claims to have. -- Klõps ( talk) 07:33, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
As Qed237 asked me to read the discussion again with neutral eyes [13] then...
@ GiantSnowman: You are an administrator active in this project but have not had any involvment in this never ending discussion. Could you please get an end to this somehow? What is the consensus according to the discussion above? Or do you have any personal comment you would like to add? I fresh set of eyes in this discussion would be appreciated as this dont seems to end. Qed237 (talk) 12:51, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Lets make a summary:
Does anyone has anything to add? The most common is to use both words and both are also in the article name. "Tammeka Tartu" or "Tartu Tammeka" does not make much difference but it seems like both should be used, although Klõps still disagrees.
More comments? Qed237 (talk) 16:20, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
@ Klõps: Could you please stop bringing up the past all the time and focus on the future? Man you are annoying. Can we agree on 'Infonet Tallinn', 'Tartu Tammeka' and 'Viljandi Tulevik' ? Qed237 (talk) 11:56, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm still having issues at the above-mentioned article regarding the major/minor status of various competitions. User:Chrisuae and User:Autonova aren't happy about the fact that the inclusion of the Community Shield in the list of each club's honours puts Manchester United ahead in terms of overall trophies. We're trying to resolve it on the talk page, but given the presence of such diametrically opposing views, we really need a third opinion. – Pee Jay 17:54, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Seriously, guys, this has somehow managed to make it to WP:DRN. While we have two equally valid views on the matter, neither side has any reason to back down from their opinion. A third opinion on the matter from established WP:FOOTY members is required if this stand-off is to be broken. – Pee Jay 21:30, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that in the 2015–16 Serie A article Verona is now called Hellas Verona. "Hellas Verona F.C." is the actual complete official name, but the club has always been referred (either on other articles here and in common language) simply as Verona. How should we call it? CapPixel ( talk) 17:56, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
I recently been working on the 2002–03 S.L. Benfica season, and the lead I added "With a stronger Porto,[clarification needed] and eliminated from the Taça de Portugal by third division side Gondomar, Benfica soon focus on the battle with Sporting for the second place", Those words are written in the club own Almanaque, but other user concern that writing Porto was a stronger team in 2002-03 is a POV in my part. To put in context, it was the first full year of Mourinho and sadly, won every competition they entered (league, cup and UEFA Cup), besides they won both games against Benfica. What is the WP:footy opinion?-- Threeohsix ( talk) 17:07, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
There's debate over whether or not the new club is a continuation of the old club, please see Talk:Parma Calcio 1913#Merge with Parma article. Giant Snowman 18:52, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Something for our experts in American and/or Asian football – have the players from the stub articles below already appeared in a match of a professional club? Unfortunately, sources seem to be very scarce, so it is a bit difficult to determine such notability.
Help appreciated. – Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 15:20, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Can you teammates discover what competition is this one (seen here http://eu-football.info/_match.php?id=25379) please? I can't make heads or tails of it and, in the search engine, Carlsberg Cup redirects me to the Taça da Liga.
Attentively, thanks in advance -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 22:02, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
I have a question on how to do with İstanbul Başakşehir F.K. that has been moved to Medipol Başakşehir F.K. after On 25 May 2015, İstanbul Başakşehir F.K. signed a sponsorship agreement with Medipol Eğitim ve Sağlık Grubu (Medipol Education and Health Group) for four years and team's name changed to Medipol Başakşehir, accoring to the article. At sources I usually look at like Soccerway, UEFA, current UEFA Europa League and BBC Sport all lists them as 'İstanbul Başakşehir'. Should we really change the article name due to a temporary (4 years sponsorship agreement) namechange to a commercial name? We do not do that for leagues, for example we have 2015–16 Croatian First Football League instead of commercial name MAXtv Prva Lig. Qed237 (talk) 14:39, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Just wanted to know how 2015 MLS All-Star Game and other previous seasons All star games deserve its own page as it is just a friendly page? NextGenSam619 t@lk 14:20, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
The above category has been created. I think this is much too obscure, particularly as it collates a bunch of different competitions (Scottish League Cup, Premiership, Championship, League One and League Two). Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 10:55, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
On player profiles, editors have been treating appearances in the Asian U-19 age group competition as U-20 appearances. Appearances in the AFC U-19 Championship are being added as U-20 caps to player's infoboxes. Football Federation Australia makes no reference to having an U-19 team on the FFA website, only an U-20 team so I can understand why they're being added as U-20 caps, but it still doesn't seem accurate to me. England, for example play in the UEFA U-19 Championship and sometimes qualify for the FIFA U-20 World Cup, both U-19 and U-20 caps are listed separately on the infobox ( Harry Kane is an example of this). Should the Asian player articles be following the same rule?
The links on the following U-19 competition pages all link to U-20 articles:
Should they be linking to U-19 articles instead? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 19:24, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
A journalist has just asked Fabien Robert about his brothers Bertand and Laurent, only for Fabien to tell him it's a mistake on Wikipedia. Duly corrected. ;) TheBigJagielka ( talk) 14:54, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Couple of things - expect a flurry of premature activities on Baba Rahman, what with Bild reporting that Chelsea and Augsburg agreed to a fee and Italian media reporting that the player has already agreed on personal terms [25], which will be enough for newer editors to make the change before he's signed and delivered.
Second, should the article be moved to Abdul Baba Rahman? Mosmof ( talk) 17:30, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Should Randal Oto’o be renamed to Randal Oto'o? SLBedit ( talk) 16:12, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Shaquille McDonald or Shaq McDonald? The articles has one version, the talkpage the other?-- Egghead06 ( talk) 06:55, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Please review Draft:Penang FA President's Cup Team, is it a notable subject and if so can the draft be accepted in its current state? If you do not wish to, or don't know how to do a full AFC review, please post a comment on the draft's talk page. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 08:10, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Given that a football club is not a living thing (it is composed of breathing organisms, aka humans), and given also that I am not a native English speaker, will I be completely off-hand if I address clubs as "it" instead of "they/them"?
Attentively, from Portugal -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 18:44, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Following suggestions at the above talk page and at the FAC of History of Liverpool F.C. (1892–1959), I have taken it upon myself to change the above page into a disambiguation page. I'm notifying the community so people are aware of this and can discuss it if they wish. Cheers. NapHit ( talk) 16:45, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
User:Ulof4 has come to me in search of assistance that I cannot provide, he wants to upload an image of Deportes Iberia's badge to the club's page. Anyone can help out a fellow user? I don't know: 1 - which images are copyrighted or not; 2 - how to upload them after I do.
Attentively, thanks in advance -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 00:27, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Are Template:O'Higgins Supercopa Champions and Template:O'Higgins 2013–14 Apertura Champions squad really needed in the template department? On a related note, the creator, User:Cisumiv, has an history of ZERO talkpage conversations and ZERO edit summaries, just a note.
Attentively -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 00:21, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Regarding the page move that I was seeking, López Silva to "José López Silva" found the perfect example to stand my ground, as will be shown below: like I told to several users, BOTH López and Silva are surnames, so "José" was needed for coherence purposes.
All those users are of a different opinion (in spite of me presenting solid arguments), as I imagine User:Davykamanzi, the page mover, is. So, one of those users kindly move Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain to "Oxlade-Chamberlain", same reasoning no?
Attentively -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 14:57, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
@ Qed237 and Theroadislong:
There is no german national team, it is Germany national team so why would an article say that, Wayne Rooney doesn't play for the english national team its the England national team. So... TeaLover1996 (talk) 20:32, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Either should be fine, although I think "German national team" sounds better in the context of the articles where TeaLover is edit warring. Also, requesting the input of specific editors has a whiff of canvassing about it... Number 5 7 10:01, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
New issues at 2015–16 Chelsea F.C. season. Chelsea has today released a list of Jersey nunmbers so an editor added all players on that list to "First team squad" but all of those players are not listed under "First team" at the official Chelsea webpage. Should we follow the list of squad numbers in a released article or the list of first team players. Qed237 (talk) 13:16, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Any more inputs on this? Qed237 (talk) 11:59, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
I was just having a look over the 2007 FA Community Shield article, and I noticed I didn't provide a source for the stats in the article when I first added them. I know from the edit summary I left that I got the stats from the Sky Sports TV broadcast of the match, but is that a valid source? I don't think the original broadcast has ever been archived in full, and I don't think it was released on DVD, but I feel like the original broadcast should be a valid source, I just don't have any confirmation of that. – Pee Jay 09:51, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
What do you think of my comments here? Best, FoCuSandLeArN ( talk) 15:33, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Hi All, I recently removed some squad navboxes from articles where the player was not included in the navbox. This led to a discussion about who should be in a squad navbox. @ GiantSnowman: suggested that any player who has been assigned a squad number should be listed in the navbox. I suggested that it should be any player sourced as a first team squad member. Is there a current consensus or thoughts either way? Paul Bradbury 10:00, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Agree with PeeJay2K3 and Number57.. if the player has been assigned a squad number (first-team or reserve), he should be included in the team template. JMHamo ( talk) 20:07, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
A lot of editing on Rafael (footballer, born 1990) after he signed (?) for Lyon. Now I am asking here if we really can say transfer is completed and change "current club"-parameter? His old club Manchester United says LYON CONFIRM AGREEMENT TO SIGN RAFAEL FROM UNITED and The 25-year-old underwent a medical in Lyon today and will be officially unveiled at a press conference this week. . BBC Sport says Rafael da Silva will join French club Lyon from Manchester United on a four-year contract for an undisclosed fee. in the start and lyon themselves say Olympique Lyonnais informed of an agreement with Manchester United for the transfer of Brazilian international Rafael da Silva will sign in the coming days a 4-year contract with OL, ie until 30 June 2019. (with google translate). To me it indicates transfer is not yet a 100%-complete (use of words like will sign), but I am currently being overruled. What do you think? Qed237 (talk) 22:24, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
He has signed look here
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/rafael-completes-lyon-transfer-pays-6188231 — Preceding unsigned comment added by RuleTheMacine ( talk • contribs) 14:41, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
There's more articles now of him in a Lyon shirt, has passed his medical (see http://www.olweb.fr/en/article/communique-68569.html) and even training with the squad ( http://www.olweb.fr/en/article/rafael-s-first-steps-68570.html). The tense used is now 'has signed' in the most recent article linked. Is it alright to change or is it still courteous to wait for the so-called 'unveiling'? Stewwie ( talk) 20:11, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
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Hi,
" Strømsgodset IF is a Norwegian multi-sports club from Gulskogen in Drammen. It has sections for association football, team handball and bandy, but is best known for the top-level football section known as Strømsgodset Toppfotball, which currently plays in Tippeligaen, the Norwegian top flight."
Should I create a separate page for Strømsgodset Toppfotball? In Norwegian football, investors are not allowed to own a sport club, but they can own a separate joint-stock company that can compete on behalf of the sports club. Thus, Strømsgodset Toppfotball competes on behalf of Strømsgodset IF, Stabæk Fotball competes on behalf of Stabæk IF, Vålerenga Fotball on behalf of Vålerengens IF and so on. It seems like most other clubs have two separate articles.
The Norwegian Bokmål Wikipedia has separate articles for Strømsgodset Toppfotball and Strømsgodset IF, and the Norwegian Nynorsk Wikipedia only has an article for Strømsgodset Toppfotball
I was reminded of this oddity yesterday, when UEFA drew the 1st qualifying round for the Europa League. While their website now refers to Strømsgodset IF, their TV coverage refered to Strømsgodset Toppfotball.
If I go ahead, do I move the current article to Strømsgodset Toppfotball, clean it up (it's mostly about the football) and create a new page for the multi-sports club?
Cashewnøtt ( talk) 12:23, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Does anybody know if Ikechukwu Uche and his brother Kalu Uche's full names are for real? According to BDFUTBOL.com (reliable source) they are, but I had a user in the former removing it with the summary "false name" and no proof backing up their removal.
In a related note, I have seen BDFUTBOL add a second surname to several Yugoslav footballers (see for example Nenad Gračan, where he is named Nenad Gracan Stanisic), but that's not common is it? Maybe User:FkpCascais can shed some light in this second paragraph.
Attentively -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 18:24, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Is {{ 2014–15 La Liga Team of the Year}} notable? SLBedit ( talk) 02:02, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi all. I'm here because this footballer, Aleksandar Kuzmanovski, it's a fake and it must be eliminated as soon as possible. Worldfootball.com, Transfermarkt.co.uk, Vardar 2011-2012. Sorry for my english, i'm an italian user. -- Dimitrij Kasev ( talk) 06:04, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone know if the Costa Rican Primera División is a fully-professional league? The article about it uses the word "professional", but without a source. Basically, I'm trying to review Draft:Alejandro Gómez Bermúdez, and it hinges on if this league is fully professional. I guess the answer is no. Joseph2302 ( talk) 19:14, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
So Alejandro Gómez Bermúdez has just been accepted at AfC by @ Sulfurboy:, which now means we need to decide whether or not he passes WP:NFOOTY ASAP. I say no, because I've not seen a definitive source that says the Costa Rican football league is a WP:FPL. Joseph2302 ( talk) 17:35, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
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Recently there has been a flurry of activity around deleting season articles for clubs who don't play in a fully pro league. Thus far this has (as far as I'm aware) only involved articles relating to teams who have never played in a fully pro league, but how should we handle season articles for teams who now play in a fully pro league and have done for the vast majority of their existence but at one time did not? An extreme example would be 1883–84 Newton Heath LYR F.C. season - on the one hand it's Man United, but on the other they did not play in a fully pro league at the time (or indeed in any league at all)........ -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:18, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi, should Sweden national under-23 football team be split to have it own olympic article like for example Portugal Olympic football team? Currently we link to olympic articles for some teams (using Template:Fbo) and for some teams we use template:fbu to link to youth articles. For sweden they had an old U23 team that got defunct in the 70s but when the olympics started for youth teams we continued on u23 article. I dont mind doing the work if it is okay to create olympics article. Qed237 (talk) 13:00, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi All, I've had a message from a user purporting to be Jamie McAllister, asking for the new photo I added to be page to be removed. I'm looking for guidance on how to proceed; I would say the new image gives a clearer view of the subject's face, and I'm uncomfortable with the project being dictated to by the subject of an article. Any ideas? Mattythewhite ( talk) 21:42, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
I have opened a discussion at WT:MOSNUM that participants here might be interested in contributing to. It relates to the WP:MOSNUM clause about primary units for personal weight and height of British people, including football players. Speccy4Eyes ( talk) 20:32, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Should copyrighted logos, when no different to the main team, be used on articles on reserve teams? Articles for Spanish and German teams use them, while they are omitted on Portuguese teams. The exceptions should be that Sevilla's reserves have a COMPLETELY different badge, and that Borussia Dortmund's badge is not copyrighted as it is just a circle and plain text. '''tAD''' ( talk) 18:50, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Whenever I go on the article about ANY footballer, I just see the Wikipedia logo, and an entirely black screen. This is whether I am on Chrome or Internet Explorer. If I log out, it reads fine.
What the hell is happening? Has somebody given me a virus to stop me doing my work??
I know this might not be what this talk page is for, but still!!! '''tAD''' ( talk) 10:26, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Actually it's not all, I've found. Roberto Firmino and Memphis Depay seem to be problems '''tAD''' ( talk) 10:30, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Everything is clear now! Glad this all sorted out! I can remember once when somebody fiddled with the image sizing on a template, making all of them HUGE. I tried manually making every single one smaller until it got back to normal '''tAD''' ( talk) 10:46, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I have been working a lot with Champions League and Europa League related articles and I wanted to check when FOOTY thinks it is time to create the articles for 2017/18 seasons?
It may sound too soon but UEFA has already released the regulations (same for three seasons in a row for 2015-18 cycle) and the accesslist as to what nation will join what rounds (for example nation ranked 50 will have three teams in first qualifying round). The coefficients for that nation rank will be taken from this season and in ten days the first nations could be eliminated and we would know their coefficient in the nation ranking.
Also some leagues qualifies for 2017/18 CL and EL with upcoming seasons that will be created during this autumn, for example "2016 Allsvenskan" will probably be created in the next few months when teams start to qualify for it. Then it might be good to have the 2017/18 season articles to avoid redlinks in the league articles and avoid unexperienced editors create one-line articles.
But it is still not being played for two years (but we have 2018 FIFA World Cup for example) so is it too soon? Qed237 (talk) 22:01, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Okay thanks for all the replies, currently I have the articles in two of my sandboxes, ready for action. Final venues and if Italy overtakes England might take a year and that is too long (2016/17 was created in december), but I can understand everyones thoughts. Qed237 (talk) 14:21, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Football writing people, here is one uncompleted article, that you could work on. -- Edgars2007 ( talk/ contribs) 18:53, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
There's a bit of a kerfuffle at Liverpool F.C.–Manchester United F.C. rivalry about the distinction between major and minor honours in the comparison of the two clubs' successes. Apparently, the Community Shield, the UEFA Super Cup, the Intercontinental Cup and the Club World Cup aren't considered major enough to receive the same recognition as competitions like the Premier League, FA Cup, League Cup, Champions League, Europa League and Cup Winners' Cup (and all predecessors). A side effect of this is that it happens to put Liverpool ahead of Manchester United on "major" honours. In fairness, these categorisations are sourced to an extent, but I feel that the sources have been cherry-picked to suit a particular definition, rather than the other way around. Objectively, the Community Shield, the Super Cup, the Intercontinental Cup and the Club World Cup are just as important as the others, especially since you actually have to win something (i.e. one of the so-called "major" trophies) to even play in them in the first place, so the whole idea of major/minor honours is spurious, IMO. Opinions would be welcomed either here or on the article talk page. – Pee Jay 21:20, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
what does it mean to be a member of a wikiproject ? I have no idea about wikiprojects and i would like it if someone explains to me. Jallouljalloul ( talk) 02:52, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Guess I think I know the answer to this but just to check:- West Ham's season kicks off next Thursday in the Europa League playing Andorran's finest, FC Lusitanos who are not a pro-club. West Ham manager Bilic has said he will (he may not!) play some youth/Development players. Many of these have never played for the first team and thus no Wiki article. Very little on these guys (mostly 16/17 year olds) to pass GNG, so is playing against an Andorran team in the quals of the Europa League enough to pass WP:NFOOTBALL? I ask mostly because If I don't create articles for these guys, there is a good chance someone else will. -- Egghead06 ( talk) 07:19, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Could I get your opinion on this edit.. When have we ever used the term "on the payroll".. ridiculous IMO. JMHamo ( talk) 23:51, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
I've a problem with the article FC Admira Wacker Mödling. Please help me! — Preceding unsigned comment added by XaviYuahanda ( talk • contribs) 17:12, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Is "Portuguese giants" and "national powerhouse" considered WP:PEACOCK? SLBedit ( talk) 20:10, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Removed from tons of articles. SLBedit ( talk) 00:47, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Should [[Category:CLUB players]] be added to a player's article when the player did not play any match in the first team? SLBedit ( talk) 22:13, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
There is also "national giants" to be removed. SLBedit ( talk) 18:24, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
There is a lot of "local giants" too. SLBedit ( talk) 18:43, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
What about "player X joined Y champions"? SLBedit ( talk) 11:58, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
And what about "joined the defending champions", how is this puffery? SLBedit ( talk) 10:28, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Found an article for an Aron Rodríguez earlier and I don't think this person exists. Think it may be someone creating a Wiki page for themselves, or a fictional video game player. The editor has included 'sources' which are extremely questionable, including one to an obscure child actor from Colombia on IMDB. Even if this person was real, his football 'career' would be non-notable. Can others take a look and advise on deleting? Kivo ( talk) 23:17, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
On the map that is currently used for the AFC Champions League For some unknown reason, central Kazakhstan has a random oval shape inside of it, as seen below. Could someone possibly edit this out? Thanks! - J man708 ( talk) 04:21, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Aren't Cardiff City Ladies F.C. and Cardiff City FC (women) the same club? If not can anyone suggest better names? @ Koppapa: as creator of the latter. Giant Snowman 17:12, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm out tonight, so when the game has finished and both articles are updated, could somebody nominate them to WP:ITN, including a portrait of the winning captain?
Example:
In association football Argentina/ Chile (captain Lionel Messi/ Claudio Bravo pictured) win the Copa América, defeating Argentina/ Chile in the final
'''tAD''' ( talk) 18:48, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Just a quick case study of the Premier League's released/retained lists: Wes Brown was named as a player to be released by Sunderland A.F.C. at the end of the 2014-15 season, which led to people removing Sunderland from the "current club" field in Brown's infobox, etc. However, Brown has been re-signed for another year, which meant re-adding all the info to his article. I therefore would recommend that we remain vigilant when it comes to released/retained lists, as even players specified as "released" don't actually leave their club until 1 July each year and can still be re-signed. – Pee Jay 15:36, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
I've noticed something about Euro 2016 qualifying Group E. At the moment, England are displayed as being guaranteed a 3rd place finish in that group, marked with an (x). However, it is possible (only just) that England finish 4th in that group. It would involve a highly improbable chain of events, but nevertheless it is not a mathematical certainty that England will finish at least 3rd. I checked on the edit page, looks like there's some sort of algorithm in place to calculate the tables, so there must be an error in there somewhere. Unless I'm missing something huge, that (x) needs to be dropped, as England need 2 more points from that group to fully guarantee a 3rd place finish. 82.2.105.83 ( talk) 10:45, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
I plan on starting a discussion at Mos Flag however since when did we start allowing flags to be used in club season articles in friendly sections. I'm fully aware that I have steered well clear of here for a few years but when I was active there was discussions not allowing this. In club friendlies they are not representing their county unlike in international competition such as the champions league. The flags are implying where a team usually plays not what nationality someone is or who they are representing. Can see no justification for there use for friendlies. Blethering Scot 16:48, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi all, sorry to bring this up as I know it has been discussed a lot, however a user has recently gone through a number of season articles removing flags from teams engaged in friendlies. I tried to discuss with him at his talk page, however I got a fairly belligerent response and he "banned" me from his talk page. He has since blanked our conversation. However this policy page [ [5]] states that this article [ [6]] complies with the flag guidelines. The revisions appear to be in contravention of that, I do not wish to engage in an edit war so I'm bringing it here example article edited [ [7]]. Does anyone have any advise. Paul Bradbury 16:53, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi, an dispute at 2015–16 Manchester United F.C. season where I need more input. On "transfers out" I think released players should be listed as "released" and not their current club. An other editor disagrees, saying that was not how it was done on older tables. But as I said these tables are not for current clubs? Then we should go back and modify many old tables afterwards, it makes more sence listing them as how the left, if they were released they were relased and not sold to another club. Qed237 (talk) 13:46, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
These players were released; the fact they have subsequently signed with a new club is irrelevant as far as this transfer table is concerned. Giant Snowman 15:13, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
What I do with released players, is initially list the player as "released" (in the Fee column) and nothing in the Club column. But if/when they join their next club, I list that club in brackets in the Club column, and a note under the table that says "Brackets round a club denote the player joined that club after his Birmingham City contract expired". It may not technically be a transfer out, and people may well think that what a player does after their release is irrelevant to the club/season, but it works for me, and it's harmlessly informative for the reader. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 16:18, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
There is a debate about keeping or removing national flags from "Friendly games" of the Manchester City Football season. As this has the potential to affect many football team's seasonal articles, an RfC has been initiated at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons (Sport season articles and flag use for club nationality). Please add an opinion either way if this is a subject that interests you. Thanks. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 09:11, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Does WP:FOOTY believe this category is appropriate: Category:FIFA Women's World Cup-winning captains? In any case, the flag icons displayed on the category page need to go. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 05:27, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Not a good category. Does it include squad captains if they don't play? What about if the captain goes off during a game and someone takes over the armband? I'd go for deletion. Number 5 7 12:38, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello, mates.
I've created an article about the 2015 Costa Rican Cup, which has a knockout format featuring 20 teams; all of them starting in the same first stage. Normally, the number of participating teams in knockout stages are based upon a Power of two (that means, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, etc...), which is not the case of this particular tournament.
After reading the official tournament rules published by UNAFUT (In Spanish), it seems they solve this issue by using a "best loser" rule, in which a team can still qualify even after losing a stage, but having scored more goals than the other losing teams in that particular stage (if there's more than one team having a same amount of goals, a draw would be held to determine the qualifying team). This happens in two stages of the tournament (2nd and 3rd).
Another problem with this tournament is that its 1st and 2nd stages are just one-legged (and so does the final), while the third stage and the semi-finals are two-legged.
In brief, the tournament goes this way:
Certainly, this is a weird format for a tournament, and as you might see, the 20 team bracket template isn't useful for this specific tournament. You can see the official bracket here.
Since I'm not experienced with templates (especially those involving brackets), I am addressing to the community for help creating a template to solve this issue.
Greetings.
-- AndSalx95 ( talk) 00:38, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
PeeJay2K3 removed international goals from Ángel Di María, then other users added it back. If Lionel Messi lists international goals, why not list Di María's? SLBedit ( talk) 11:27, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
The article for Pelé's international goals has been created. SLBedit ( talk) 13:42, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Bryan Ruiz goals - which source would you trust: Soccerbase says 12 league goals and Soccerway has 11 for Fulham. Thanks, JMHamo ( talk) 12:27, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
FK Spartak Zlatibor Voda was ever since the beginning called FK Spartak Subotica, but in summer 2008 the were merged with FK Zlatibor Voda and changed the name to FK Spartak Zlatibor Voda. Zlatibor Voda is actually a sponsor. it is a bottled water company. However, in summer 2014 FK Spartak returned its name to the historic FK Spartak Subotica ( Subotica is the city the club is from). They even changed their website from http://www.fkspartakzlatiborvoda.com/ (where you can see the announcement that they are changing to a new website) to http://www.fkspartak.com/ . Honestly, it passed a year already, and I was lazy to ask it, but now it is really time to move FK Spartak Zlatibor Voda to FK Spartak Subotica. FkpCascais ( talk) 20:44, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
Is this team (or any of the other sides in the league) notable? -- Dweller ( talk) 13:17, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi all, so I am currently having a different point of view about the WP:INFOBOXREF rule with User:Målfarlig!. We have had some reverting on several articles, such as Luciana Maria Dionizio, Fabiana da Silva Simões and Andressa Alves da Silva. We had a discussion but it seems we could not reach to an agreement on this topic. Basically he keeps on adding references to the infobox, which I edited since it failes WP:INFOBOXREF and moved the source into the body or lead of article. Basically I did not deleted any source nor content, but simply moved them to other sections. User:Målfarlig! seems to disagree and simply ignore the rules that I mentioned. I would like to know what you guys think about this. Thanks! MbahGondrong ( talk) 22:51, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Thoughts on {{ Football League One Apprentice of the Year}} before I take to TFD (or not)? I've never even heard of the award... Giant Snowman 17:23, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Now at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 July 11#Football League Apprentice of the Year. Giant Snowman 15:44, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Any reason Category:Footballers in Brazil by club is entirely broken down by state cub-categories? Giant Snowman 18:19, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
What is the community's opinion on this article? Is the match worthy of having its own article? It certainly is a remarkable match, but I don't want to do anymore work on it, until I know for sure it meets our notability criteria. Would be a lot of hard work wasted. Thoughts please. NapHit ( talk) 16:57, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Take two: is this category deemed overkill or not? If so, it should be deleted no? I see that the creator, User:Joeykai, has not received any message in his page regarding this matter, so methinks the category is to stay (thus not being considered overkill even though it clearly is in my humble opinion)?
Attentively, happy Saturday all -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 18:37, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that Mariner2222 ( talk · contribs) has gone through a slew of articles and changed "soccer" in opening sentences to "football (soccer)". I've asked the user to maybe respect WP:ENGVAR, but Mariner2222 didn't think it was an issue. Anyway, a massive wave of changes like this probably requires a discussion. I think it unnecessarily brings a foreign English variant, and puts "soccer", a perfectly acceptable (and not to mention more precise) shorthand for "association football) as secondary to the other, less frequently used (at least in North America) shorthand. Mosmof ( talk) 12:16, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
I was going to raise the issue of Mariner2222's recent edits changing "soccer" to "association football (soccer)" in articles about American teams and players, but I see the WP:FOOTY brain trust already has this problem well in hand. FYI, other American sports editors have already reverted all of Mariner2222's edits per WP:ENGVAR. Enough said. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 12:55, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
yeah. it's association football. so what will it be? association football, or football (soccer), since soccer alone is definitely not the correct name of the game. it's a regional nickname, similar to footie, that is confusing to any outsider. Mariner2222 ( talk) 13:10, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Edit War and 3RR notices - Mariner2222 continues to make these changes, even during this discussion, and has been given appropriate notices regarding edit-warring and 3RR on his user talk page. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 13:20, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
The name of the game was originally 'football'. It became association football to distinguish it from Rugby football but no-one refers to it as association in the same way that rugby is used for that code. When I was growing up football and soccer were probably used equally as shorthand for the game. Soccer seemed to fade from the (UK) vernacular of the day once the American leagues were established, but it is still widely recognised in my experience. To claim that it is merely a local term for the game cannot really be correct. Eagleash ( talk) 17:35, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Why not just use association football through out? Sport and politics ( talk) 11:13, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Did wiki project had any previous discussion to make this template a speedy deletion? Even i supported Inter, there is no reason to let these final template flooded into player article. Matthew_hk t c 18:22, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
I thought there is consensus that the name of the club's article (except for add-ons like FC) should be used in the infobox as per WP:COMMONNAME. In Xherdan Shaqiri an editor is changing the names from Inter Milan to Internazionale again. I have not preference for either name as such, but I would expect that the name of the club's article is the correct one. Is there something wrong with this assumption? -- Jaellee ( talk) 20:14, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
The current name is Inter Milan and that is what should be used, so mass-changing to Internazionale is disruptive. However I would support a WP:RM. Giant Snowman 06:50, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
The club's name is Internazionale, therefore, we should be using that. SLBedit ( talk) 12:27, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
@ Jaellee, PeeJay2K3, Koppapa, GiantSnowman, and SLBedit: I pinged those involved in this discussion to notify about the request at Talk:Inter Milan#Requested move 5 July 2015. Hope I did not forget anyone. Qed237 (talk) 17:14, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Hey, articles like this should be avoided, am i correct? Kante4 ( talk) 13:50, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Any opinions on WP:N of this club season article? Level 9 on the pyramid is usually a tad too low to warrant a standalone article, however is there any coverage I am currently not aware of which would give the subject notability after all? -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 20:46, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Men's Football at the 2015 Pacific Games has received a bit of attention in the last day over New Zealand's disqualification for an ineligible player. Some eyes on these pages would be appreciated. Hack ( talk) 01:58, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
A discussion at Talk:2015 National Women's Soccer League season. We have some teams that have played 9 matches, others 10 through 12, yet there is a chart that shows position by "weeks". Feel free to discuss. Cheers. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 06:09, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Lately User:PeeJay2K3 has been going around removing the international goals section in many articles claiming that the debates here and here prove a clear conscientious on removing the goal section when in fact no clear conscientious was ever reached in these debates. International goals are fairly notable and generate significant media coverage, in my opinion they should be kept. True Wikipedia is not a democracy, but neither is it an oligarchy where just because two or three editors get together all of a sudden it is set in stone. Inter&anthro ( talk) 15:27, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
The term "side" is used in several articles and is not readily known to those outside the sport either as participants or fans. It should be explained in the glossary. Although WP is not a dictionary, if the term is used in WP then it should be explained. Srednuas Lenoroc ( talk) 11:51, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
PeeJay2K3 believes that runner-up honours should not be listed and says there is concensus about it (see the discussion). But where? SLBedit ( talk) 20:32, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
To paraphrase an argument from WT:CRIC, Wikipedia articles should be predominantly prose-based, with supplementary sections to help summarise the key points of the article. Any time a player participates in any competition, provided it's sufficiently notable, it should be noted in the prose of the article, not just added to a (usually unsourced) list of honours. If anything must be added to a list of honours, it should only be times when the player actually won the competition. If we start getting into times when the player came second, we start getting into dicey territory: some competitions award medals for second/third place, most don't; if we start distinguishing between competitions based on the awarding of medals (or even making up our own criteria), we'd either end up with a gross inconsistency by only listing a select few runner-up "honours" or we'd have to list them all, which would lead to some being listed without good reason. But then there's a third option: not listing any runner-up "honours", which avoids the problem altogether and rather sticks more rigidly to the correct definition of what an honour actually is. – Pee Jay 23:39, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
The template mentioned above is deprecated, as the website does not contain any player profiles anymore. What should we do to it? MYS 77 ✉ 02:06, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Do we have any Accrington Stanley supporters in here? If so, have they heard of a guy named Christopher Ilias who is supposed to have been playing for the team between 2006 and 2009? Or, given that there currently also is a BLP-tagged article named Christopherilias, which more or less is the same article, can this article even be speedied under some criteria? -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 11:02, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I have noticed that no one uses {{
fb si player}}'s parameter ni
("nationality as international player (if different from nb
)"). Instead, "Second nationality: COUNTRY" is added to notes
. Why?
SLBedit (
talk)
10:52, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
And why isn't written "Second nation"? A country's name is not a nationality/demonym. SLBedit ( talk) 11:11, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that User:Marchjuly has been removing national team logos from national team articles as the logos on the page were not for the team but for the football federation and that since the national team is a child entity it should not be used in the article. Instead, the logo of the team specifically should be used. Personally, to me, that is bull***. I mean, the teams wear the logos on their kits for gods sake. When the AFC or FIFA release tournament brackets or graphics on television they use the India FA logo to depict the national team, if not using the flag. Same for all other national teams. I just want someone to look into this... also I have not seen a discussion on this at all yet. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 04:40, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
So... are we going to come to a conclusion here? The India badge is still removed while others remain, that is harshly unfair and I do not like the lackadaisical attitude towards this. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 19:33, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Can some admin look into keep IP editors from reverting FC Arsenal-Kyiv Kyiv to a separate article? The club has assume the club name from the previous club FC Arsenal Kyiv and there is enough information from the club's website that they are assuming the club's history - all the way to 1925. The club wanted to used the same name but the Ukrainian Football Federation forced the club on formalities. However the club is quite clear in where they come from and their emblem has the same name. Also the Ukrainian Wikipedia is also using the same logic Арсенал (Київ). Brudder Andrusha ( talk) 23:33, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Both of you are very lucky I didn't block you lengthy periods of time for this and this. Can someone uninvolved tell me what's going on? -- NeilN talk to me 02:48, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi. A quick question, is Wanderson Carvalho de Oliveira notable? Qed237 (talk) 15:25, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello to you all, and sorry to come with a similar request than one I did not so long ago. Player Xavier Chavalerin has 2 pages, one with the right spelling and one with a spelling mistake. Correct spelling can be seen on his new club official site, or his official league profile. If I remember correctly, this issue is solved by a simple page redirect but I wanted to be sure before doing it. Thanks in advance for your answer(s). Tuttiseme ( talk) 15:30, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello to you all, I'm French, so excuse-me for my potential approximative english. As I was creating pages of all players in Euro competitions in the French WP by using English WP, I noticed that 1964 European Nations' Cup squads has players (these with no pages) that aren't in the sources (RSSSF). Then I see that Special:Contributions/189.214.5.36 has made modifications last year which are as well strange to me. Are these modifications justified ? Thanks -- Kiply ( talk) 23:36, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Could a footballers official Facebook, Twitter, Instagram ect.. accounts be included in external links? I'm going to assume they are allowed because I just read WP:LINKSTOAVOID and number 9 says social networking sites shouldn't be allowed. However, at the top it says "Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject" and a footballer's official social network page comes under that, right? Thursby16 ( talk) 22:10, 16 July 2015 (UTC) @ Pbradbury:
The caps of Russian for Soviet Union, CIS and Russia Team should or should not break down to respective team, or in the infobox as one item: USSR/CIS/Russia. Same rule apply, for SFR Yugoslavia, FR Yugoslavia and Serbia, should or should not break down to respective teams? Matthew_hk t c 13:49, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
JRRobinson ( talk · contribs) always marks ALL edits as minor. What can be done? JMHamo ( talk) 14:55, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi all,
Do four games at
Braintree Town F.C. get this player over
WP:NFOOTBALL? I can never remember the technicalities to do with lower level teams here. Is Braintree Town fully professional?
Thanks! Pete "the
football,
football,
football,
football,
football, etc, fan" AU aka --
Shirt58 (
talk)
08:55, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi all, I would like to ask why the international goal table for Brazilian women footballers have different style as the mens? As example in Cristiane, Formiga, Rosana dos Santos Augusto and Marta. The mens used a more common table, such as Kaká and Dani Alves. Could anyone explain the reason for the womens article having such style? Particularly, I dont understand the meaning of the "#" column on the womens article. MbahGondrong ( talk) 13:58, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
There's one editor on 2015–16 Fulham F.C. season that is insisting scorelines should not have spaces in them, and this looks like it may end up in an edit war. In my opinion, having spaces makes the article look better and looks more professional. He's pointing to WP:ENDASH, which I don't think covers sporting events. Just to compare, though, for example, I believe the bottom is better:
11 July 2015 Training Match | Fulham | 3–1 | Aston Villa | Albufeira, Portugal |
19:30 CEST |
Smith ![]() Kačaniklić ![]() McCormack ![]() |
Report |
Kozák ![]() |
Stadium: Estadio Da Nora |
11 July 2015 Training Match | Fulham | 3 – 1 | Aston Villa | Albufeira, Portugal |
19:30 CEST |
Smith ![]() Kačaniklić ![]() McCormack ![]() |
Report |
Kozák ![]() |
Stadium: Estadio Da Nora |
Would appreciate a consensus and feedback on this. Spa-Franks ( talk) 12:25, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
I have nominated the above for deletion, however i acknowledge the project should have a flag guideline. This as discussed is not a policy or guideline but more of an editors essay. It would maybe be better moved to a draft or user space.
Would anyone be interested in working on a more up to date and accurate flag guideline for the project and put it to the project for updated consensus. It's clear we need one. Blethering Scot 18:15, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
I was reading a news item that mentioned Thomas Rongen earlier today, which reminded me of the film Next Goal Wins. This got me thinking about that phrase – if you said to most people in the UK, I would imagine they would think of the informal football game format rather than the film
Looking at the Glossary of association football terms article, it doesn't seem to have many words used in informal football – "rush keeper" being the next one I looked for. There are also myriad terms for the version of a rush keeper where any nearby player can act as the goalie (at my school it was known as "monkey", but I know from playing with people from different parts of England that there are a few other names for it – please weigh in with yours!).
Do these terms have a place in the glossary? Number 5 7 11:49, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
At AfD now : Cubbies AfD.. Thanks ChrisTheDude... JMHamo ( talk) 07:55, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
User:Kante4, as he is perfectly entitled, removed the cited fact that Navas has inherited Iker Casillas' #1 shirt. I would like a discussion as I see this as a worthy edition: Unlike most number changes which are added in, this is sourced, and the number is symbolic not just as it was worn by IC, but that it is often associated with the main-choice goalkeeper. Then again you can call that synth, but the number change itself is sourced '''tAD''' ( talk) 20:49, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
User:Qed237 has been changing a lot of articles about recent Champions League/Europa League seasons to include tautologous names such as VPS Vaasa, RoPS Rovaniemi and ÍF Fuglafjørður. For a start, the article titles are horribly inconsistent, but my main concern is that these names are tautologous and therefore wrong. As one editor who moved HJK Helsinki to Helsingin Jalkapalloklubi a few years ago said, referring to HJK by the name "HJK Helsinki" is like referring to Manchester United as "Manchester United Manchester". Article titles are one thing, but can we at least agree that we shouldn't be piping to wrong names in article text? – Pee Jay 17:03, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
@ GiantSnowman and PeeJay2K3: If no one here opposes I can move "HJK Helsinki" to "Helsingin Jalkapalloklubi"? Should ÍF Fuglafjørður and similar also be moved and to what? "Ítróttarfelag Fuglafjarðar" or "ÍF (football club)", and the other as redirect? Also, I will go through the articles again and remove the edits I made if that is what we decide. Qed237 (talk) 19:31, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
@ PeeJay2K3, Number 57, and GiantSnowman: So what is next step here to get consistency? A new move request for AZ Alkmaar to move to AZ (football club) and then start moving the other Tauntologies? Or should we move Seinäjoen Jalkapallokerho to "SJK Seinäjoki" to be consistent with the AZ article? Qed237 (talk) 20:55, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
@ PeeJay2K3, Number 57, and GiantSnowman: Now move requested at Talk:AZ Alkmaar#Requested move 21 July 2015. Qed237 (talk) 11:31, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Is this guy notable, teammates? Per this source (see here http://www.foradejogo.net/player.php?player=198412010005, Portuguese as him), only top flight competition he appeared in was the Indonesian Premier League, does this grant him notability and/or WP article? Other than that, we have Spanish fourth and fifth level, Greek/German third level, Maltese second level and Cypriot second level, not your average full pro, hey?
Attentively, thanks in advance -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 14:23, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, according to SOCCERWAY.com (which I have now retrieved to his page), he did play pro footy in the Greek second tier (Anagennisi), well mentioned by you sir. Also, some of the stats seemed well toyed with (especially those 112/72 in TWO seasons with Almada), I adjusted them with the help of (mainly) FDJ.
Thanks to both for your inputs, continue with the good work -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 20:44, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi, Could someone take a look at 2015–16 Chelsea F.C. season#First Team Squad? It is more than 40 players (league has max 25?) and a lot of unsourced info not needed, like transfer fee. Qed237 (talk) 22:08, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Will people please remember this is an encyclopaedia and not a football magazine. If there are no reliable sources, then it should go, it doesn't matter that you think it looks nice. JMHamo ( talk) 12:44, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
A little off point, but First Team Squad should read as First team squad as per WP:CAPS. -- Jimbo [online] 12:55, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Can one of you football experts take a look at Category:National Women's Soccer League players? It appears to include the same players in this main category, as well as the subcategories broken out by team. As a general rule of Wikipedia categorization, we do not include a subject in both a parent category and a subcategory of the parent -- am I missing something here that is specific to football/soccer? Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 18:00, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
The Athletic Bilbao official website has changed configuration for the umpteenth time. User:MYS77 has already kindly "revived" all the links for the current players, but is there any way to do the same for the HUNDREDS of old ones? Or do we have to do it manually?
Attentively -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 03:14, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Born in England to Nigerian parents, he hasn't represented any country yet at youth level. However in this interview he is asked "Do you see yourself as Nigerian or English?" and he says "I see myself as a Nigerian". So do we put a Nigerian flag rather than an English flag?-- Echetus Xe 11:54, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Kalas has had two loan spells at Middlesbrough. The first ended, and he returned to Chelsea and could not train at Middlesbrough (I assume he trained in some aspect at Chelsea from then on). Months later, without playing any more games for Chelsea, he returned to Boro. Should the infobox feature two loan spells at Boro, or one? '''tAD''' ( talk) 20:18, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
This guy represented Northern Ireland and then later Republic of Ireland under-21s, but was born in England. What's his "correct" nationality? According to FIFA, he would be Irish, right? Because ThePeoplesGame is insisting that he is English. MYS 77 ✉ 15:13, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi, we have an issue with an editor that has several Drafts declined but he goes ahead and move article himself to mainspace anyway. I reported to ANI. For that reason I started to look at his creations (please help) and saw Wiener AF. Is this article notable? Qed237 (talk) 13:26, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I have been under the impression that season articles are for the senior team, but User:Parxpower does not agree and re-added development squad, youth transfers (in and out), pre-season friendlies and U21 league matches. Can we get some clarity here? Are these articles for senior team only or youth also? Qed237 (talk) 11:29, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
appears to be down. Clicking on the main page gives a webhosting page, and any other page comes up as 404. Given how much it's used for sourcing tables, results and the like, I do hope it's nothing terminal. Anyone know anything? cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 09:11, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
In danger of breaking the 3RR User:RichardOwen97. He is basing his edits on this source. I have emailed historicalkits.co.uk to correct them mistakenly listing the purple alternate kit as the team's main away kit. The amber kit is listed as the away kit here, with the purple strip as the third kit. The purple strip was released as an alternative kit for one match last season, with the club's website stating "a shirt which we will continue to use occasionally both this season and next". Speaking in May 2015 chairman Smurthwaite announced that "I have also made the decision not to replace the away shirt because I understand the costs associated for fans supporting a football club". No source states that the purple kit has replaced the amber/black kit as the club's away kit for this season.-- Echetus Xe 21:46, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
New article about Enoch Barwuah. His brother, Mario Balotelli, is notable. I'm not sure this subject is. Someone more informed on Italian football should investigate. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 23:54, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Hey, can someone go take a look at Jeff Reine-Adelaïde? It was up for speedy deletion via A7 and I'm just familiar enough with football to know that the Arsenals is a professional team, which is a good assertion of notability. However I'm not familiar enough to know if the Emirates Cup would be enough to have him firmly pass NFOOTY, although I will note that a quick glance at news coverage shows that he was fairly well lauded as a golden boy by the team's manager so even if it isn't it looks like there may be enough coverage for him to pass as a whole. This definitely needs some TLC from someone who is more familiar with the sport than I am. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 06:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
As we run up to the 80th anniversary of Carrow Road, and a celebratory match against West Ham, the article's had a good old polish and is now almost as glorious as the team that plays at the ground. ;-) I'd welcome some supports or constructive criticism at the review page: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Carrow Road/archive1 Many thanks, -- Dweller ( talk) 09:06, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
I have had a discussion at my talkpage with User:Klõps regarding piping of team names in {{ 2015 Meistriliiga table}} and since we can not agree any input would be appreciated.
The discussion is mainly about how to pipe the clubs Tartu JK Tammeka and Viljandi JK Tulevik.
When I created the table I made these pipings:
I made the pipings based on different pages and how other display the teams, according to
Team\Site | UEFA | FIFA | Estonian league | Soccerway | Flashscore | Livefootball |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
FC Flora | FC Flora Tallinn | Flora Tallinn | Tallinna FC Flora | Flora | Flora | Flora Tallinn |
FC Infonet | FC Infonet Tallinn | FC Infonet | Tallinna FC Infonet | Tallinna Infonet | Infonet | Infonet Tallinn |
FC Levadia Tallinn | FC Levadia Tallinn | FC Levadia Tallinn | Tallinna FC Levadia | Levadia | Levadia | Levadia Tallinn |
JK Narva Trans | JK Narva Trans | Trans Narva | JK Narva Trans | Trans | Narva | Trans Narva |
Nõmme Kalju FC | Nõmme Kalju FC | Kalju Nõmme | Nõmme Kalju FC | Nõmme Kalju | Kalju | Nomme JK Kalju |
JK Sillamäe Kalev | JK Sillamäe Kalev | Kalev Sillamäe | JK Sillamäe Kalev | Sillamäe Kalev | Sillamäe Kalev | JK Sillamae Kalev |
Paide Linnameeskond | Paide Linnameeskond | Paide Linnameeskond | Paide Linnameeskond | Paide | Paide Linnameeskond | Paide Linnameeskond |
Pärnu Linnameeskond | Pärnu Linnameeskond | Pärnu Linnameeskond | Pärnu Linnameeskond | Pärnu | Pärnu Linnameeskond | Pärnu Linnameeskond |
Tartu JK Tammeka | JK Tammeka Tartu | Tammeka Tartu | Tartu JK Tammeka | Tammeka | Tammeka Tartu | Tammeka |
Viljandi JK Tulevik | Tulevik | Tulevik Viljandi | Viljandi JK Tulevik | Tulevik | Tulevik | Tulevik Viljandi |
Looking at the table above (undisputed top 8 first), FC Flora is mainly known as "Flora Tallinn" internationally and when playing in UEFA competitions (Champions league and Europa league) and the top 8 seems pretty standard. Perhaps FC Infonet should be piped to "Infonet Tallinn" instead of just "Infonet"?
But the two last teams are in dispute. Not a single source, except the estonian league, lists Tammeka as "Tartu Tammeka" that User:Klõps tried changing to but all seems to start with Tammeka and to list as "Tammeka Tartu" doers not seem wrong? Same for Tulevik.
Also if/when they will play in Europa League or Champions League I feel like many sources, like BBC, will just follow UEFA and they will be Tammeka Tartu as WP:COMMONNAME just like FC Flora is known as "Flora Tallinn".
User:Klõps does not agree, referring to jktammeka.ee and jktulevik.ee to verify their real name and say we should follow the real names on the estonian association page and not rearrange the words (while I think WP:COMMONNAME). I will let him respond with his arguments more himself, if he feel it is needed.
Please help. Do you have any input? Qed237 (talk) 13:48, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
So as we had no consensus here. I removed the place names from Tammeka, Tulevik and Infonet (as it has been in Estonian league articles before) and which I think is clearest to understand for people from other countries. And the place names aren't commonly used in Estonia. Two seconds later Qed237 undid my edit and the matches update. -- Klõps ( talk) 20:31, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Any more input on this? "Tammeka" or "Tammeka Tartu"? "Infonet" or "Infonet Tallinn"? "Tulevik" or "Tulevik Viljandi"? Qed237 (talk) 20:51, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Qed237 still continues the edit fight. I can't see a clear support for his versions of commonnames here as he claims to have. -- Klõps ( talk) 07:33, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
As Qed237 asked me to read the discussion again with neutral eyes [13] then...
@ GiantSnowman: You are an administrator active in this project but have not had any involvment in this never ending discussion. Could you please get an end to this somehow? What is the consensus according to the discussion above? Or do you have any personal comment you would like to add? I fresh set of eyes in this discussion would be appreciated as this dont seems to end. Qed237 (talk) 12:51, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Lets make a summary:
Does anyone has anything to add? The most common is to use both words and both are also in the article name. "Tammeka Tartu" or "Tartu Tammeka" does not make much difference but it seems like both should be used, although Klõps still disagrees.
More comments? Qed237 (talk) 16:20, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
@ Klõps: Could you please stop bringing up the past all the time and focus on the future? Man you are annoying. Can we agree on 'Infonet Tallinn', 'Tartu Tammeka' and 'Viljandi Tulevik' ? Qed237 (talk) 11:56, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm still having issues at the above-mentioned article regarding the major/minor status of various competitions. User:Chrisuae and User:Autonova aren't happy about the fact that the inclusion of the Community Shield in the list of each club's honours puts Manchester United ahead in terms of overall trophies. We're trying to resolve it on the talk page, but given the presence of such diametrically opposing views, we really need a third opinion. – Pee Jay 17:54, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Seriously, guys, this has somehow managed to make it to WP:DRN. While we have two equally valid views on the matter, neither side has any reason to back down from their opinion. A third opinion on the matter from established WP:FOOTY members is required if this stand-off is to be broken. – Pee Jay 21:30, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that in the 2015–16 Serie A article Verona is now called Hellas Verona. "Hellas Verona F.C." is the actual complete official name, but the club has always been referred (either on other articles here and in common language) simply as Verona. How should we call it? CapPixel ( talk) 17:56, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
I recently been working on the 2002–03 S.L. Benfica season, and the lead I added "With a stronger Porto,[clarification needed] and eliminated from the Taça de Portugal by third division side Gondomar, Benfica soon focus on the battle with Sporting for the second place", Those words are written in the club own Almanaque, but other user concern that writing Porto was a stronger team in 2002-03 is a POV in my part. To put in context, it was the first full year of Mourinho and sadly, won every competition they entered (league, cup and UEFA Cup), besides they won both games against Benfica. What is the WP:footy opinion?-- Threeohsix ( talk) 17:07, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
There's debate over whether or not the new club is a continuation of the old club, please see Talk:Parma Calcio 1913#Merge with Parma article. Giant Snowman 18:52, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Something for our experts in American and/or Asian football – have the players from the stub articles below already appeared in a match of a professional club? Unfortunately, sources seem to be very scarce, so it is a bit difficult to determine such notability.
Help appreciated. – Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 15:20, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Can you teammates discover what competition is this one (seen here http://eu-football.info/_match.php?id=25379) please? I can't make heads or tails of it and, in the search engine, Carlsberg Cup redirects me to the Taça da Liga.
Attentively, thanks in advance -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 22:02, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
I have a question on how to do with İstanbul Başakşehir F.K. that has been moved to Medipol Başakşehir F.K. after On 25 May 2015, İstanbul Başakşehir F.K. signed a sponsorship agreement with Medipol Eğitim ve Sağlık Grubu (Medipol Education and Health Group) for four years and team's name changed to Medipol Başakşehir, accoring to the article. At sources I usually look at like Soccerway, UEFA, current UEFA Europa League and BBC Sport all lists them as 'İstanbul Başakşehir'. Should we really change the article name due to a temporary (4 years sponsorship agreement) namechange to a commercial name? We do not do that for leagues, for example we have 2015–16 Croatian First Football League instead of commercial name MAXtv Prva Lig. Qed237 (talk) 14:39, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Just wanted to know how 2015 MLS All-Star Game and other previous seasons All star games deserve its own page as it is just a friendly page? NextGenSam619 t@lk 14:20, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
The above category has been created. I think this is much too obscure, particularly as it collates a bunch of different competitions (Scottish League Cup, Premiership, Championship, League One and League Two). Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 10:55, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
On player profiles, editors have been treating appearances in the Asian U-19 age group competition as U-20 appearances. Appearances in the AFC U-19 Championship are being added as U-20 caps to player's infoboxes. Football Federation Australia makes no reference to having an U-19 team on the FFA website, only an U-20 team so I can understand why they're being added as U-20 caps, but it still doesn't seem accurate to me. England, for example play in the UEFA U-19 Championship and sometimes qualify for the FIFA U-20 World Cup, both U-19 and U-20 caps are listed separately on the infobox ( Harry Kane is an example of this). Should the Asian player articles be following the same rule?
The links on the following U-19 competition pages all link to U-20 articles:
Should they be linking to U-19 articles instead? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 19:24, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
A journalist has just asked Fabien Robert about his brothers Bertand and Laurent, only for Fabien to tell him it's a mistake on Wikipedia. Duly corrected. ;) TheBigJagielka ( talk) 14:54, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Couple of things - expect a flurry of premature activities on Baba Rahman, what with Bild reporting that Chelsea and Augsburg agreed to a fee and Italian media reporting that the player has already agreed on personal terms [25], which will be enough for newer editors to make the change before he's signed and delivered.
Second, should the article be moved to Abdul Baba Rahman? Mosmof ( talk) 17:30, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Should Randal Oto’o be renamed to Randal Oto'o? SLBedit ( talk) 16:12, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Shaquille McDonald or Shaq McDonald? The articles has one version, the talkpage the other?-- Egghead06 ( talk) 06:55, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Please review Draft:Penang FA President's Cup Team, is it a notable subject and if so can the draft be accepted in its current state? If you do not wish to, or don't know how to do a full AFC review, please post a comment on the draft's talk page. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 08:10, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Given that a football club is not a living thing (it is composed of breathing organisms, aka humans), and given also that I am not a native English speaker, will I be completely off-hand if I address clubs as "it" instead of "they/them"?
Attentively, from Portugal -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 18:44, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Following suggestions at the above talk page and at the FAC of History of Liverpool F.C. (1892–1959), I have taken it upon myself to change the above page into a disambiguation page. I'm notifying the community so people are aware of this and can discuss it if they wish. Cheers. NapHit ( talk) 16:45, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
User:Ulof4 has come to me in search of assistance that I cannot provide, he wants to upload an image of Deportes Iberia's badge to the club's page. Anyone can help out a fellow user? I don't know: 1 - which images are copyrighted or not; 2 - how to upload them after I do.
Attentively, thanks in advance -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 00:27, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Are Template:O'Higgins Supercopa Champions and Template:O'Higgins 2013–14 Apertura Champions squad really needed in the template department? On a related note, the creator, User:Cisumiv, has an history of ZERO talkpage conversations and ZERO edit summaries, just a note.
Attentively -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 00:21, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Regarding the page move that I was seeking, López Silva to "José López Silva" found the perfect example to stand my ground, as will be shown below: like I told to several users, BOTH López and Silva are surnames, so "José" was needed for coherence purposes.
All those users are of a different opinion (in spite of me presenting solid arguments), as I imagine User:Davykamanzi, the page mover, is. So, one of those users kindly move Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain to "Oxlade-Chamberlain", same reasoning no?
Attentively -- 84.90.219.128 ( talk) 14:57, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
@ Qed237 and Theroadislong:
There is no german national team, it is Germany national team so why would an article say that, Wayne Rooney doesn't play for the english national team its the England national team. So... TeaLover1996 (talk) 20:32, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Either should be fine, although I think "German national team" sounds better in the context of the articles where TeaLover is edit warring. Also, requesting the input of specific editors has a whiff of canvassing about it... Number 5 7 10:01, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
New issues at 2015–16 Chelsea F.C. season. Chelsea has today released a list of Jersey nunmbers so an editor added all players on that list to "First team squad" but all of those players are not listed under "First team" at the official Chelsea webpage. Should we follow the list of squad numbers in a released article or the list of first team players. Qed237 (talk) 13:16, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Any more inputs on this? Qed237 (talk) 11:59, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
I was just having a look over the 2007 FA Community Shield article, and I noticed I didn't provide a source for the stats in the article when I first added them. I know from the edit summary I left that I got the stats from the Sky Sports TV broadcast of the match, but is that a valid source? I don't think the original broadcast has ever been archived in full, and I don't think it was released on DVD, but I feel like the original broadcast should be a valid source, I just don't have any confirmation of that. – Pee Jay 09:51, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
What do you think of my comments here? Best, FoCuSandLeArN ( talk) 15:33, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Hi All, I recently removed some squad navboxes from articles where the player was not included in the navbox. This led to a discussion about who should be in a squad navbox. @ GiantSnowman: suggested that any player who has been assigned a squad number should be listed in the navbox. I suggested that it should be any player sourced as a first team squad member. Is there a current consensus or thoughts either way? Paul Bradbury 10:00, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Agree with PeeJay2K3 and Number57.. if the player has been assigned a squad number (first-team or reserve), he should be included in the team template. JMHamo ( talk) 20:07, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
A lot of editing on Rafael (footballer, born 1990) after he signed (?) for Lyon. Now I am asking here if we really can say transfer is completed and change "current club"-parameter? His old club Manchester United says LYON CONFIRM AGREEMENT TO SIGN RAFAEL FROM UNITED and The 25-year-old underwent a medical in Lyon today and will be officially unveiled at a press conference this week. . BBC Sport says Rafael da Silva will join French club Lyon from Manchester United on a four-year contract for an undisclosed fee. in the start and lyon themselves say Olympique Lyonnais informed of an agreement with Manchester United for the transfer of Brazilian international Rafael da Silva will sign in the coming days a 4-year contract with OL, ie until 30 June 2019. (with google translate). To me it indicates transfer is not yet a 100%-complete (use of words like will sign), but I am currently being overruled. What do you think? Qed237 (talk) 22:24, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
He has signed look here
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/rafael-completes-lyon-transfer-pays-6188231 — Preceding unsigned comment added by RuleTheMacine ( talk • contribs) 14:41, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
There's more articles now of him in a Lyon shirt, has passed his medical (see http://www.olweb.fr/en/article/communique-68569.html) and even training with the squad ( http://www.olweb.fr/en/article/rafael-s-first-steps-68570.html). The tense used is now 'has signed' in the most recent article linked. Is it alright to change or is it still courteous to wait for the so-called 'unveiling'? Stewwie ( talk) 20:11, 4 August 2015 (UTC)