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I've just spotted something on an article on a Serbian football club ( FK Obilić) that I thought was rather neat. Alongside with the writing Relegated and Promoted in the infobox when the club has been relegated or promoted, it used this: & . Have a look on TSV Rain am Lech, I've applied it there for a trial, without actually writing promoted. I always found writing promoted or relegated in the infobox rather cumbersome. What do people think, is just a simple green arrow good enough to tell that a club has been promoted? EA210269 ( talk) 04:22, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Struway has it spot-on; the accessibility issues with replacing text by images are considerable. The potential gain is next to zero, but we may lose readability for some users. Knepflerle ( talk) 10:26, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Despite myriad conversations here, consistently (as I recall) settling on the notability threshold for players as participation in a fully professional league, the text at our published record of the policy says, and always (since started in Feb 08) has said, played for a fully professional club at a national level of the league structure (FPNL club): no wonder editors unfamiliar with this talk page's past keep making articles that we deem inappropriate. So, is that essay going to be changed, or are we going to resuscitate all those Conference players and players in top level leagues of smaller nations? Kevin McE ( talk) 09:33, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
A discussion over the name of the article is currently going on at its discussion page, triggered by several back-and-forth pagemoves between Kingjeff and Grant.Alpaugh. The delinquents preferred to use edit summaries as an argument instead of settling their differences via any talk pages. Since the discussion over the name of the club is not the first being led here, please eagerly participate ON THE ARTICLE DISCUSSION PAGE in order to reach a consensus. -- Soccer-holic ( talk) 12:25, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
There are a number of teams listed as having OFC or CAF associate membership, e.g. Micronesia and Zanzibar. Does anyone know where I might find some proof of this? The OFC and CAF websites don't mention it. Thanks Stu.W UK ( talk) 15:59, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
We seem to be arguing about everything do we? I don't see any reasons why an American flag should be next to Wicks name on the D.C. United roster and also on the MLS transfer list because he was born in Germany and hasn't played for any national teams yet, so I think a German flag should be next to his name on both the D.C. United roster and the transfer list. – Michael ( talk) 00:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I've made numerous modifications to the article and I am proposing that the rest of the "other treble/near treble" prose in the article is converted to a table format. Please see the talk page for my proposals. Thanks. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 20:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Which color should be used for the qualification and relegation in J. League 2009? I think the color currently use in J1 are not good. Green is too bright while the red is too dark. Raymond Giggs 08:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
A club that formed, applied to join the Football League, failed, then folded, all without playing a match surely doesn't merit its own article, but which of its "parent" clubs should it ber merged and redirected to.......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 13:16, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there anyone out there who fancies trying to improve this article? It is very poorly referenced and, like many Liverpool F.C. related articles, is full of hyperbole. (It has been flagged for tone since December 2007.) It was rated "B" class, but I have downgraded it to "C" as it needs a lot of work. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 22:48, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
How should the case like for example Ledley King for England, Markus Rosenberg and Behrang Safari for Sweden and I guess some others for other teams, when they're withdrawn and (perhaps not yet in King's case) replaced by other players, how should this be handled on the national team articles, I presume they should be moved to Recent callups, but should they be listed as this cancelled callup as their latest or the previous before? chan dler · 15:37, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
←(out dent) and transforming into that discussion then. I looked in the archives for some previous ones, the only one I found from some years ago. Personally I can see pros and cons with both removing and keeping. But I'm leaning for removal just because it's much easier to source, and make sure it's correct. Now sure it might cause some question marks when big players are out on injury or suspensions, but especially for smaller nations it will be much easier to keeping it well sourced if for example the national association announces the squad on their website before international dates. chan dler · 11:23, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I have made an attempt to improve this article, but to be honest for it to survive it needs people to maintain it, I don't really have an interest in football. If this wikiproject is willing to keep it up to date, then great, if not then I suggest nominating it for deletion. I've done all I can Jenuk1985 | Talk 22:50, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there a general rule of whether manager history/squad templates should be included on a football team's article and not just the players or managers? Some team articles have them and some don't. Uksam88 ( talk) 02:36, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I have just come across these two articles about the role of footballers in WWI, and the Footballer's Batallion, and wondered if anybody fancies writing an article entitled Association football during World War I or similar...I would do it myself but my dissertation is a-calling :(. Regards, Giant Snowman 12:13, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Can someone with a subscription to allfootballers.com check Ernest Perry (footballer) to see which Bradford he played for? My book on Bradford City doesn't have him listed, though he could have failed to reach the first team, while EchetusXe says his book on Port Vale lists his clubs as Bradford City rather than Bradford Park Avenue. Peanut4 ( talk) 20:02, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
The article was deleted in March 2008 by AfD with the result Delete/Categorise; Category:Croatian-Australian Socceroos was then deleted in July 2008 with the result Delete/Listify (see discussion here) and the article was restored. Logically, these two results show that the information about Croatian-Australian Socceroos should not be on Wikipedia in either article or category form, but when I tagged the article as WP:CSD#G4 (recreation of deleted material), it was denied by TerriersFan ( talk · contribs), who recommended I take it to deletion review. However, before I do that I want to gauge people's feelings on the matter...regards, Giant Snowman 20:25, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi there, i'm slightly offside on this one...
For reasons that elude even the greatest mathematicians, Spanish, Portuguese and Brazilian players are known by the entire array: first name, last name, middle name, or nickname. This leads into my query:
When arranging the defaultsort at the bottom of the page, what patterns are required? I'll give one (i think it suffices) example: For example, Spanish goalkeeper Alberto López Fernández is known as Alberto, not López; should the defaultsort be ALBERTO LOPEZ FERNANDEZ or LOPEZ FERNANDEZ, ALBERTO? If one chooses the latter, the player will be placed under the letter "L", when he should be in "A". With nicknames it's even harder...
Attentively, Vasco Amaral - -- NothingButAGoodNothing ( talk) 22:25, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
andGenerally, article naming should prefer what the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature. <...> Wikipedia determines the recognizability of a name by seeing what verifiable reliable sources in English call the subject.
For example, "Pelé", has an article titled Pelé and that article has {{DEFAULTSORT:Pele}}, which is correct: all English-language reliable sources call him that, so that's the correct title for his article, and it's obvious that that is the correct sort for that article title. On the other hand, while Franz Beckenbauer was often called "der Kaiser", that nickname didn't become the dominant name which English-language reliable sources used to refer to him. Thus, his article is also correctly titled, and has {{DEFAULTSORT:Beckenbauer, Franz}}. Coming back to Alberto López Fernández, the best English-language reliable sources I can quickly find are espn.com and goal.com, both of which give his name as "Alberto". Therefore the article is mis-titled and should be moved to a new title; when that is done, {{DEFAULTSORT:Alberto}} will be the correct sort for the article title. Studerby ( talk) 00:12, 26 March 2009 (UTC)The sort key should mirror the article's title as closely as possible, while omitting disambiguating terms. Some exceptions are made, however, to force correct collation:
Hi, seeking some consensus on the naming of this article. I believe there is a strong case for moving to 'David Mooney'; the name by which he seems to be referred to in the English media (despite being known mainly as 'Dave' in Ireland), seeing as he is now most notable for his career in England. Please see the talk page discussion page for more background.-- NCFCQ ( talk) 23:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I created the article today after he made his professional debut yesterday. But I wonder, should I move it to Fabio Ferreira, create the Fabio Ferreira as a disambig page, or redirect it (the red link) to Fábio Ferreira and add the template (as I have done)? I'm just unsure about how to go about it. – LATICS talk 01:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Matthew Wicks is the son of Steve Wicks; sources back that up. However, are they any relation to Stan Wicks? I think Stan is Steve's father, and therefore Matthew's grandfather, but can't find a source to prove it. My reasoning? Stan (born 1928) played at Reading, where both Steve (born 1956) and Matthew (born 1978) were born; Stan also played for Chelsea, the club where Steve started his pro career. It could be a coincidence, but methinks not... Giant Snowman 05:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Does this article have anything to commend it? A very imprecise definition, and a list with a total lack of inclusion criteria. PRODable? Kevin McE ( talk) 20:34, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
can an Admin please have a look I have listed it for speedy deletion on the basis it is a recreaation of deleted material, also suggest someone point out the criteria for inclusion to User:WereSpielChequers as he turned down a previous 1 because "he's a footballer who plays for Liverpool" Skitzo's Answer Machine 00:26, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I've had to let my membership of allfootballers.com lapse because I'm skint, and I don't have any of my books here at work, so can anyone help me out with the date of death of the Tom Baxter who played for Gillingham in the 1920-21 season? Cheers!!!!!! -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:33, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
There's been a bit of editwarring over at {{ Russia Squad 1994 World Cup}}, {{ Russia Squad 1996 UEFA Euro}}, {{ Russia Squad 2002 World Cup}}, {{ Russia Squad 2004 UEFA Euro}}, {{ Russia Squad 2008 UEFA Euro}} regarding Russia's colours. Now I agree with the side that it should be White and Blue, 94, 96, 02 and 04, the two primary colours were obviously white and blue, in 08, they played in that full white strip (and the Russian flag on the chest). The points given by User:Caio Brandão Costa here and that White and blue are the more historically associated colours with the team, and that's why those colours should be used.
Just as Brazil are associated with yellow and green (and therefore all their squad boxes are yellow and green), even if they used white and blue in 1950 and before 54. Same, all Portugals squad templates haven't been changed from the sort of burgundy and gold to red and green or white just because of last years strip. Same reason given at the Austrian squads. There are probably other examples. chan dler · 13:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I and cha ndl er have different points of view about Sid Kimpton, an article I've just created. I think he is one and the same with a man called George Kimpton in most sources. Chandler disagree. As It is a complex question I would like to bring some opinions and sources as well. Cheers. -- Latouffedisco ( talk) 08:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi guys - I'm at work now, but I'll take a look tonight and see if I can "arbitrate" and also fill in the details of his playing career. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 09:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Does anybody know if he had some links with the US? Like a team trained, a parent there, a competition he took part... A great researcher friend of mine found something interesting, but it's hard to say who's the right Kimpton, the 1934 French coach. Thanks to the French mania of changing names to foreign people...! -- necronudist ( talk) 14:47, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I've now had time to look at my Saints reference books - his second name was "Sibley", but he was known as "Sid" - no mention of "George". After details of his playing career, which I'll add to the article later, the article goes on to say "In the thirties he was part of the Czechoslovakian coaching set-up and was given a medal when the national side reached the World Cup final against Italy in 1934. He was captured by the Germans in 1940 and spent the next five years as a P.O.W." The career summary section shows him coaching with the French national team in the 1920s (no specific dates) before coaching at Coventry City (1928), then with the Czech national team (1930s) and then "coaching in France" from 1936–1940. This seems to confirm athat "George" and "Sid" were the same person. I hope this helps. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 19:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I have now expanded the section covering his playing career. The coaching/managerial career section still needs expanding - I'll leave Clio64B to re-write the article on French Wikipedia and then get it translated into English. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 06:58, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
The ABC of the Saints says that his playing career ended when he joined Pogoń Lwów; it also confirms the date of death as 15 February 1968. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 16:48, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Kimpton never coached Pogoń Lwów.
Vertigo12 ( talk) 17:39, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Ancestry.co.uk does list a Gabriel Sibley Kimpton, born in Watford, but in December 1886. Don't know why he wouldn't be listed on the 1891 census, though.... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 10:30, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I have now uploaded a picture of Sid Kimpton in his Saint's playing days and added it to the article - to me, this is clearly a younger version of the FC Rouen manager on their website [7]. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 19:35, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Let's have a game of PRO-EVOLUTION WIKI, shall we?
I have this doubt: i have often seen that some articles are deleted, because players do not meet the standards (i.e. never played in a professional league). The query i bring forward is this: For example, ANDREAS MEPPEN (he does not have a wiki-article, just an example), a retired German defender who played for mainly SV Meppen, amassed more than 400 second division games, but never appeared in the top level (here is his link http://www.fussballdaten.de/spieler/helmerandreas/).
Thus, if someone wanted to create this or a similar article, would it be "illegal"? I think not, as most of Europe's 2.Division leagues are highly professional.
Cheers, Vasco Amaral - -- NothingButAGoodNothing ( talk) 21:05, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
This article needs a soccer expert to come and take a look. It appears to be about two or three different persons (unclear whether any of them or all of them are notable), and has a somewhat complicated history, with people arguing over who was who on the article page. It is also completely unsourced. Fram ( talk) 09:47, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I've now proposed this article for deletion, since I can find very little to confirm the existence of the person, and nothing to establish any notability. I notice that the article creator User talk:Jaymillionaire has had most of his other articles already deleted as being about non notable subjects. Fram ( talk) 10:24, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please look at Rudolf Jeny; for some reason the 'dateofdeath' parameter does not display in the infobox, and I can't for the life of me work out why. Thanks in advance, Giant Snowman 19:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
The left-pointing arrow in this and all the subsequent season infoboxes isn't displaying in the HTML article, yet it does when the article is converted to a .pdf. Anyone know the reason behind this? - Dudesleeper / Talk 00:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Out of interest, do you see the arrows in the template version? If so, mind migrating that article across to use it? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I've been creating this article for the past few days now and have just moved it from my sandbox to its own page, he should be notable enough having made 9 football league appearances and scoring in three for PNE back in 1993. This is my first real attempt at a new wiki article so i would really appreciate any hints or advice anyone may have for me, also if you think anything needs changing + added. I've also requested it for assesment over on Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Assessment where there is a bit of a backlog of requests. Thanks Uksam88 ( talk) 01:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Uksam88 - well done mate. First bash - it's a good go. I am sure you'll encounter a fair few mongs on the way (as I have) who get annoyed that you're not some wikipedia professor. Keep up the good work though! Dribblingscribe ( talk) 10:35, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Just been going through the above cat to make sure those who are on wikipedia are mentioned in that category. Does anyone have an idea why Hugh Fisher (footballer) is showing up under S instead of F? Uksam88 ( talk) 16:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Following on from an earlier discussion in which I suggested starting an article on football during the First World War - which, as you will see I have now done - I propose that we also create a category on Category:Footballers who fought in World War I (as, according to sources on the article, some 2,000 professional footballers signed up to fight in 1914), and also a a category on Category:Footballers who died in World War I, as 500 footballers died from the Football Battalion alone. I think then we should (read that as I should) also start an article on the Second World War, and introduce similar categories. Any objections/thoughts/opinions on the matter? Giant Snowman 21:08, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations on the two articles. Just a warning – there were two previously categories that were deleted following a CfD [8] - Category:Footballers who served in the British Army and Category:Footballers who served in the RAF on the grounds that these were "trivial intersections". -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 05:26, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Out of interest, why was the suggestion to start these within the existing history article ignored? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I have tried to create a template for top goalscorer boxes. Three examples can be found here. The first is from Danish Superliga 2008–09, the second from 2010 FIFA World Cup qualification - UEFA Group 1 and the last is from UEFA Champions League 2008–09.
Can it be used? Please come with critics. ka la ha 13:25, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
hi, this lad, Yuri Berchiche, made his professional debut today for cheltenham, but I don't know what to do to get a page restored, any online now know the procedure? cheers Prem4eva ( talk) 17:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Hello there,
i discovered there are (at least) two Spanish footballers named CHEMA, and so, redirected pages to Chema (footballer born 1976) and Chema (footballer born 1980), as both players are known by nicknames.
1st, i hope i did well. In case i did, can anyone help me create - or tell me how to - a disambiguation page? I reckon it is needed, with the pages having been moved.
Regards, Vasco Amaral - -- NothingButAGoodNothing ( talk) 19:48, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, just thought I'd let you know that there is now a template, {{ WLD}}, that can be used within a table to automatically calculate Win%. At the moment it has a reletively small scope for use, but I believe it is still useful as is removes all human error from percentage calculations, and these are more common than you think. (e.g. the numbers of this FL before and after). Linked is the only article page I have added the template to so far. I wanted to show how it works but get community feedback from here as to whether other people will find it useful, before implementing it any other pages. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 13:55, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Name | Played | Win | Draw | Lose | Win% [C] |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Jimmy Hogan | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 100.00 |
Eric Houghton | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0.00 |
Joe Mercer | 10 | 1 | 9 | 0 | 10.00 |
After a lot of fiddling I managed to work out a way to have goals for and against columns too. So this change should greatly increase where this can be used.
Name | Played | Win | Draw | Lose | GF | GA | Win% |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Jimmy Hogan | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 100.00 |
Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 16:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
This chap is an interesting one - he played internationally for both Israel and the United States, but turned down a professional career in both soccer and American football in order to pursue his academic studies. If anyone has any details of his early footballing career - i.e. dates & numbers of caps for both national teams, his college career, any semi-pro or amateur teams he turned out for - I would be extremely grateful. Cheers, Giant Snowman 23:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
He didn't play any official A international for Israel or USA. -- necronudist ( talk) 09:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
From: Zinn, Ben T <e-mail removed>
Sent: Tue 24/03/2009 10:11
To: Philip Copley; <e-mail removed>
Subject: RE: A quick question about your soccer career
Hi Mr. Copley,
I will be happy to work with and would appreciate getting the following
information:
I look forward to your response.
Ben
I have sent him an e-mail back, and will let you know what he says. Giant Snowman 11:03, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
From: Zinn, Ben T <e-mail removed>
Sent: Wed 25/03/2009 11:25
To: Philip Copley
Subject: RE: A quick question about your soccer career
Hi Philip,
I will respond shortly to your questions, hopefully before the end of the week when my schedule lightens up a bit. I also wonder if you have visited my Ga. Tech web site?
In the mean time, please tell me a bit more about youself.
With best wishes,
Ben
I have e-mailed him back again, and when I get some more info will post it here. Giant Snowman 11:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
From: Zinn, Ben T <e-mail removed>
Sent: Fri 27/03/2009 13:06
To: Philip Copley; 'Zinn, Ben T'
Subject: RE: A quick question about your soccer career
Hi Phil,
Below is edited version of what I found in Wikipedia and additional information, which may be of help to you.
Here are a few more details about my soccer career, which was relatively short because of the demands of my academic career.
In 1957, just before coming to the states, I played for Hapoel Tel Aviv that won the Israeli first division championship that year. The same year I visited the US with an Israeli All Star team (sort of a national team) and also played in Britain (Arsenal), Scotland (Celtics) and France (Racing Club of Paris). While in the US, I played about five times for the US national team including a 1959 game against England. The English team included: Bobby Wright, Charleston, Hopkins and other well known players (I still have the game’s program, if you are interested). While at NYU and Stanford, I played for the NY and California All Stars teams. Thanks for your interest and best wishes.
Ben
He has also give me some more info re:his non-football career, and I'll edit the article accordingly. Giant Snowman 13:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Zinn has e-mailed (the e-mail is quite lengthy, and can be found on his article's talk page) me to confirm, again, his reasons for name changes, and his other US national team appearances. Most of them are unofficial appearances (against club sides) which is why they don't feature on official lists - but he does mention one game against the Bermudan national team...does anyone know if this was an official game? Regards, Giant Snowman 12:22, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Anyone know a good source for Major Indoor Soccer League stats; Laurie Abrahams played for the New York Cosmos in the 1984–85 MISL season, and I can't find stats for him anywhere. He also played in the Australian National Soccer League in 1986 for the Melbourne Knights; his stats are also missing for that season. Any help would be appreciated! Regards, Giant Snowman 22:08, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi guys. I've created Tommy Dunne (Scottish footballer), as there's an Irish hurler at Tommy Dunne and an Irish footballer at Tommy Dunne (footballer). I'd guess that there needs to be a bit of moving here, at least for the Irish footballer to (Irish footballer): what would be best here? Heightwatcher ( talk) 08:29, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know of a good archive which lists the playing stats of the U-23, U-20 and U-18 USA men's team's through the years? The ussoccer.com website has a paltry archive which goes back to 2005, but it is a little incomplete... I'm looking for something which goes back to the late 1980s perhaps, or even just provides a list of names with caps and goals. Can anyone help? -- JonBroxton ( talk) 21:14, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Does Pierre Cotant meet your Project notability standards? Who then was a gentleman? ( talk) 01:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
To restart, if I am not incorrect our little football project is the only(?) part of Wikipedia that still isn't using {{ Navbox}} based navigational templates, we use the {{ fb start}} on "width:47em" instead of full width. Even though It (probably) would be a really big pain in the ass to reformat the whole system to go into Navboxes I think in the long run it's worth it. Personally I find it much easier to edit and customize the Navbox template, and it gives more freedom (in if nothing else width).
I remember a message a while back from User:Thumperward about the season templates we have for competitions on certain OS' can get wrongly aligned because of default fonts which are too large etc. Now problems like these would be fixed by using Navboxes.
I have here played around with a few current templates and re-formated them into working with Navboxes. And have already implemented a try in two templates ({{ UEFA Champions League}} and {{ UEFA Cup}}) which works with using the {{ fb start}} template system, and look pretty much the same. And I'm guessing it would be possible to easily convert the current templates to at least work inside Navboxes so nothing breaks during a transition period.
tl;dr, How about converting our navigational templates into the Navbox standard? chan dler · 07:30, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
{| class="navbox"
{| class="navbox" cellspacing="0"
(cellspacing 0 to just tighten it up) would work. But that goes into the question, should we continue with everything into one border like it is now and in my sandbox or each navbox separate, I think its easier to transition into one box and change the fb start into {| class="navbox" cellspacing="0"</nowiki>
.|state = {{{state|collapsed}}
to all templates and just put in state = plain or uncollapsed when the template is primary. Thoughts?
chan
dler
· 00:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC){{navbox|child}}
formatting - at that point the templates could trivially be converted to full navbox instances by a bot. I performed this on several of the high-profile UEFA / Scotland / Rangers templates yesterday, but it's been reverted. Waiting to hear what the specific objections were.
Chris Cunningham (not at work) -
talk 08:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I have to object to all the edits being made to change the templates, not just because I think they were better as they were but also because there seems to be no consensus for changing them, it just seems to be two or three people agreeing to change them. I would suggest that Template:2008-09 in Scottish football looked far better and was far more user-friendly before it was changed, As I have said already the average user would most likely have no idea what to do with an array of collapsed templates at the bottom of a page. I can't see much problem with the templates at the moment, why not go and do something worthwhile rather than just trying to confuse users. Darryl.matheson ( talk) 16:07, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
While there is being converting right now, what about a small meet in the middle, Yes I think 100% width is the way to go in the longrun but might look strange with those not converted, so what about chaing the fb start to {| class="navbox" style="width:70em;"
, giving more width, removing the margin (so it "melts" together with the other navboxes) and remove the fontsize because it causes a bit of problem with {{
navbox}}.
chan
dler
· 11:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Comparing how my proposed EC/CL template would look. The top is fb start, the second {| class="navbox" style="width:70em;"
the third is the "final step"
chan
dler
· 11:50, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
|
|
{{
navbox|child}}
syntax first - this means that the templates can be updated in-place without losing the football box styling. At a later point, when that's mature, we can discuss again whether to abolish the football box format and move to standard navbox templates. This will mean changing the project guideline and getting a bot to update all the articles, but it's trivial if all the templates already use {{
navbox|child}}
as all that needs to be done to convert them into full {{
navbox}}es is to remove the "child" parameter and a little boilerplate.
Chris Cunningham (not at work) -
talk 14:46, 31 March 2009 (UTC)Can an admin please undo some ridiculous page moves? Basically, Blackjanedavey ( talk · contribs) moved Jim Rooney (soccer player) to Jim Rooney (australian footballer), and then to Jim Rooney (american footballer) – both titles are factually incorrect, spelt incorrectly (need capitals), and most importantly both moves were NOT discussed. I think you need to be an admin to undo these page moves...thanks in advance, Giant Snowman 01:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi: I now suspect this article to be a hoax. It claims, among other things, that Teymourian was an alternate on the US Olympic team in 1984. I took a look at the official site, and he's not listed, but I don't know if alternates would be. Could somebody take a look at this? Thanks, Ray Talk 15:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
People may be interested to know that the Poll on date autoformatting and linking is now open. All users are invited to participate. Lightmouse ( talk) 17:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I've been learning to use navboxes and have come up with a possible replacement for the Non-FIFA teams template. I've put it it my Sandbox and would appreciate any advice. Is there a better way to organise the teams? Am I ok to use the navbox template or should I be using the football one? Is making each region individually collapsible too fiddly? Is there any point in the template in the first place other than as an easy way to locate potential AfD nominations? Thanks in advance Stu.W UK ( talk) 03:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
In their infinite wisdom, the FA seem to have redesigned their website and changed all the urls so that anything referencing it is landing on a Page not found. Some pages still exist with new urls, others appear to have got lost in the redesign process. Hopefully it's an April Fool and all will be back where it was by tomorrow, but I'm not holding my breath... cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 23:32, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I notice that a whole bunch of South Korean and other footballers have been put up for deletion. Interested editors may like to check them out. TerriersFan ( talk) 17:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Seems this is part of a test regarding this discussion. I understand the need for sourcing, but it's annoying to have had a large number of articles under this project included and it now feels like I'm just helping to prove a point by spending a large amount of time on these. Camw ( talk) 08:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
I have never joined a wikiproject before and was wondering what I have to do to get involved. I have a real passion for football as well as countless books on hand as references. Would like to get involved on anything to do with the World Cup's particularly but anything will do! -- Thelostlibertine ( talk) 01:54, 3 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelostlibertine ( talk • contribs) 01:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
On player articles, how should players who play for Red Bull New York/ New York Red Bulls be listed? Should the articles say they play for Red Bull New York (the organization which owns the team) or New York Red Bulls (the name of the team itself). A quick clafirication on the manual of style would be appreciated. Thanks! -- JonBroxton ( talk) 01:53, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi this template contains a list of teams with an unclear inclusion and exclusion criteria, those listed as recognised by FIFA are not all recognised by FIFA, and the other section is partially supported by a flag manufacturer (whom I am not convinced are a reliable source) [11], but it also contains teams not included on their list, as well as excluding teams on their site. User:Chandler is adding teams, but is unwilling to WP:PROVEIT, this has been raised before on Template_talk:UEFA_teams, is this non-encyclopedic WP:OR in encylopedic space, failing WP:VERIFY? Fasach Nua ( talk) 07:17, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Guys, please keep calm and be civil - this spat is not doing either of your reputations any good. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 18:08, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Amid all this shouting about The Rules, do be careful not to break the Prime Directive. BEVE ( talk) 19:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Some anons have been removing the " American soccer players" and American expatriate soccer players" categories from Giuseppe Rossi's article, despite the player having been born in the United States. The article clearly states that he is an Italian-American, and I think that he should, therefore, be categorised as both Italian and American. After all, he could have chosen to play for the USA but chose to play for Italy instead. Can I get some advice on this? – Pee Jay 22:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Ronaldinho has Spanish citizenship, but he is not a Spanish footballer. 142.161.163.92 ( talk) 23:23, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Just to track these, here's the list of IP hops which have been edit warring over this recently. They're all registered to Telstra Italia:
And one user:
The page itself has now been semiprotected. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:06, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm looking to get a few opinions on which photo is better for his profile photo - old photo or new photo. I'm obviously not impartial here but the reason I replaced the old one was due to (my opinion) the low quality and unappealing lack of sharpness. The new image was replaced by an IP editor saying that the new version makes him "look like a rapist". I'm not going to take anything decided personally, I want the best image included in the article regardless of which it is. Camw ( talk) 07:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Would one appearance in the Texaco Cup in 1975, playing for Birmingham City F.C. against Ayr United F.C., make a player notable? That was the only first-team game he played for Birmingham, and AFAIK he never played for any other club in a fully-pro league. ("No" would be a good answer, as it'd be one more off the list without having to actually write the stub...) cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 17:03, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Just added a reference and infobox to this page after I saw he'd been PRODed but tbh it could do with a better one and some more info if possible. Then again, he played one season for Torquay in the mid-eighties followed by about 16 years for Teignmouth AFC so I can't imagine there'll be a massive queue. Any takers? Stu.W UK ( talk) 02:42, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Spotted this one while looking through the new pages backlog, about a bizarre match in November 2002 when SO l'Emyrne deliberately conceded 149 own goals and subsequently set a world record scoreline. I found some references and added them. Any thoughts? -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 15:27, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
This looks like a total fabrication - I've removed parts that stated he played for Leyton Orient (this person has never turned out for Orient). Not sure what the procedure is so I decided to bring it up here. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 18:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Two footballers called Gary/Garry O'Connor; one located at Gary O'Connor (footballer) and one at Garry O'Connor. Why does Gary O'Connor (one R) redirect to Garry O'Connor (two Rs) and not Gary O'Connor (footballer) (one R)...shouldn't the page at Gary O'Connor (footballer) be moved to Gary O'Connor, with hatnotes at each Gary/Garry saying 'not to be confused with' or 'for the former [club name] [position], see...'? Giant Snowman 21:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
While editing Michael Byrne (footballer) I came across this article suggesting this guy was Everton caretaker at some point. Can anyone find anything to support this - Everton managers article and links don't mention him Stu.W UK ( talk) 02:47, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone find anything about this player? I've PRODed him because I can't find any evidence he's played anywhere. Google search turns up this and nothing else which suggests the article dob must be wrong. The only proof he's ever been in the squad for FK Bežanija is this. That link also shows it isn't a misspelling or missing off diacritics that's causing the lack of info. No stats show his name and he isn't on the Serbian league website. Stu.W UK ( talk) 04:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Some users keep on adding unsourced foreign name to biography of living people, such as Hakan Yakin, Murat Yakin, Armend Dallku and Mehmet Dragusha, does it notable that all people related to Turkey need İ to I, and for those Kosovar Albanian, need a unsourced Serbo-Croats Latin form for the Albanian name?? The name conversion of the article has been discussed in Archive 20, but not yet for inside the article. Matthew_hk t c 15:19, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Another MOS issue for you: in infoboxes, how would people recommend we format the entries for players who play for teams which change their names while they are there?
An example: Carlos Mendes has played in MLS for the MetroStars since 2005; the team changed its name to New York Red Bulls in 2006, meaning he is one of twenty or so players who was active with the team when the name change took place. Should we list both team names separated by a slash in the same entry (like it is now), break it over two lines with a 'BR' (which I actually like as it makes the infobox neater), or some other way? What do you think? -- JonBroxton ( talk) 16:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the input, guys. I've changed Mendes's infobox to reflect the consensus, and will use this layout for any future occurrences. Thanks again! -- JonBroxton ( talk) 16:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm currently experiencing a problem whereby, whenever I view a club's article, the kits in the infobox appear briefly but then vanish, leaving white space. Is anyone else getting this....? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:14, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I have started an AfD that might be of interest to this project here thanks. BigDunc Talk 14:29, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
This guy looks notable but I can't source him - can anyone help, please? TerriersFan ( talk) 17:52, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
What do you guys want me to do with football articles tagged for speedy deletion? - Dan Dank55 ( push to talk) 18:54, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Not sure if anyone noticed, but a couple of days ago I went around the club season articles, replacing all of the hyphens in their titles with endashes. I've started to do the same on competitions, but there's just so bloody many of them. Is there any chance that someone could write a bot that could do this? – Pee Jay 10:24, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
The newly uploaded image on Francisco Sandaza is of very good quality and looks suspiciously lifted from a news/newspaper website. What's the process for deleting/warning? Heightwatcher ( talk) 10:31, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
The image is from here. Camw ( talk) 10:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
This looks like a pretty long-term problem. Anyone fancy trying to engage this user before he gets himself blocked for long-term policy vio? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:00, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Has soccerbase only reported the games that Ritchie Hanlon scored in for the 1997–98 season he played for Welling, or are they the exact stats? -- Jimbo [online] 12:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Be ready for some-one to jump the gun and create an article on Ipswich Town player Connor Wickham; the BBC has just reported that he may make his debut this weekend at the age of just 16 years 11 days... Giant Snowman 12:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
According to "The Complete Wales FC 1876-2008" by Bill Samuel, three players named William Roberts have played for Wales. It's fairly easy to disambiguate one of them, as he was born in a different year to the other two, but the remaining two were both born in 1959 (one on 18 March and the other on an unknown date). Obviously I can't disambiguate by nationality, and they both seem to have played as wing forwards on both sides, both inside and outside. I could create one article at William Roberts (footballer born March 1959) and another at William Roberts (footballer born 1959), but I'm not sure that's an ideal solution. What do people suggest? – Pee Jay 12:21, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
What's happened to Template:Infobox Football biography 2? All youth and senior infobox stats are not appearing, only international stats. Heightwatcher ( talk) 08:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Bit of an odd one - he made eight appearances for Gillingham in 1920, then another 32 in 1929/30, but nothing at all in between!! None of my books on the Gills indicate that he left the club and rejoined, and they all indicate that it's definitely the same guy in both instances - does anyone have any other sources to suggest otherwise, or did he really content himself with playing in the reserves for the best part of nine years.....? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 21:00, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Another player who has a similar career blank - Andy McBride. Neil Brown has him at Crystal Palace for the 1973–74 season, and his next appearance isn't until 1978, when he joins the NASL in the States. Does anyone know if he stayed at Palace between 74 and 78?
On another note, the first Google hit for Andy McBride is a piece from the website of the BNP...I do hope it's a different McBride! Giant Snowman 02:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Is there a policy, formal or otherwise, on the notability of foreign clubs? I've just found about 20 Korean clubs none of which are in the 3 leagues written about on wikipedia. Is there a level they they need to compete at in order to be kept? Stu.W UK ( talk) 21:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
No, not this one. He played for Sheffield Wednesday (1956-1966) and FC Bruges of Belgium, before killing himself in December 1968. Anyone have a date of birth for the fellow? Giant Snowman 03:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Template:Cardiff City F.C. was recently changed from this to the current revision. I assumed it was just a change in policy on the style of club infobox but after searching through a number of teams in the Premier League and the Football League it seems like it is the only one that has been changed to this style. Should it have been changed or are all of the club infoboxes set to be changed? Thanks. Kosack ( talk) 15:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
شايب محمد مهدي ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) seems to have made a few edits of questionable value to various Middle Eastern footy bios in the last month. Anyone fancy checking these? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:52, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Looks like we have a lot of work cut out here... Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 18:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
This is another potentially infinite list, if left without cut-off criterions. If we suppose to have 1,000 professional teams in the World, each with at least 3 rivalries, then this list would be populated by no less than 1,000*3/2=1,500 entries. And, believe me, this is very optimistic... -- Angelo ( talk) 18:41, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
This is completely redundant to Major football rivalries anyway. Nanonic ( talk) 19:47, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm wondering if someone can help me. User:Bruninho is continually reverting my edits on the page for Albert Celades. My edits are fairly trivial - it's basically about the link piping of FC Barcelona, and omitting the "FC" part of the name from the link pipe, as per the agreed standard which omits "FC"/"AC"/"SC" or whatever from the pipe. What bothers me is that I have tried, on many, many occasions, to get him to talk; I'm explaining the reason for my edit, saying that it's in line with WP:FOOTY style policy and WP:COMMONNAME, but he won't have it. I've left him messages in edit summaries, on his personal talk page, and on the talk pages of the anonymous IPs he uses, but no matter what I do he refuses to communicate. He just comes in, reverts (with no edit summary), and leaves.
Now, I appreciate that I have gone against 3RR a couple of times over this (for which I apologize), but I can't seem to get through to the guy no matter how many times I ask him to talk. Anyone have any ideas what I can do? -- JonBroxton ( talk) 20:52, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Template:Medio Tiempo doesn't work like it used to, Medio Tiempo changed there website so it makes the template work differently. What should i do? Delete the template or something else? Any suggestions? Thanks. Black 'n Red 02:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
A few countries seem to have state selections that compete against each other, e.g. Jammu and Kashmir and Nagaland in India or Chuuk and Pohnpei in Micronesia. I think a similar thing happens in Russia, but only defunct teams have turned up here, e.g. Bashkortostan. All the Spanish regions have them too, but they seem to compete against international teams as well as each other. The Indian state teams seem to be notable, but I have no idea about the others. What should these teams be classed as- representative teams, national teams, something else? Should they appear at all? They currently seem to be using the national team infobox which seems wrong to me- 'first international' etc is meaningless here. Any thoughts? Stu.W UK ( talk) 03:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Currently manager (football) redirects to Coach (sport), but that article, in addition to being 100% US-centric, contains essentially no content about the role of a football manager. So what would be the best option? Add content about football management to the existing article (even though in football parlance the "coach" is generally a separate individual to the manager, with different responsibilities) or create a new article solely about football management and then try to figure out which links need changing to point to it.....? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 11:48, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
A Croatian who was active mainly in the States - hence his Anglicised name. He spent four seasons playing in Austria, Germany and Switzerland. However, I don't know any teams or dates; can anyone help? His Croatian name was spelt Đuro or Đjuro. Cheers in advance, Giant Snowman 00:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
81.107.52.140 ( talk · contribs) has been editing the David Wheater article. At first it seemed like removal of referenced content so I reverted to an earlier version and left the user a notice. However, the same user then "updated" the information claiming to be a personal friend and therefore correct. Should the page be reverted again to before this user started to edit? -- DFS454 ( talk) 10:27, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Lately I have been rooting through and referencing Category:All unreferenced BLPs and I've noticed the extrodinary amount of football/soccer biographies there. I'm posting here to ask all those who routinely create biographies on these players to always reference them. Unreferenced BLPs are a big deal and due care must be taken when creating profiles of living people. Also, if there's some people here familiar with reliable sources in the field, you're welcome to head over there and cite some of the literally thousands of unreferenced football/soccer bios. Them From Space 20:07, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Some users have had trouble with Simon nelson ( talk · contribs) in the past over his ignorance of some aspects of the MoS and never replying to people on his talk page. He's been doing a lot of removing youth clubs from infoboxes lately and I have left him several messages, but to no avail. I left him a message just a few moments ago and just three minutes later, he removed another youth club. Anyone have any ideas what to do? Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 20:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Yay or nay? I just created the {{ Atlanta Chiefs managers}} before realising it may not be acceptable... Giant Snowman 00:57, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
This image of Alan Ball is up for deletion because it (paraphrasing) "can be easily replaced by a free alternative". Is this true, given that he is no longer with us? If anyone took a photo of him during his managerial days, please speak up now! - Dudesleeper / Talk 21:19, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
EchetusXe has just created Willie Aitken but there is already Billy Aitken. Which one should be the redirect? Informations are a bit different, too. I can provide some details about his carreer in France, but I don't know where he was before. Any ideas?-- Latouffedisco ( talk) 16:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
I created this article and this one, and just wondered what people thought of them and also whether they have the right titles, I considered something like List of winners of the Second tier of Scottish football but could not decide which would be best. Darryl.matheson ( talk) 01:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I know this may not be in issue in the majority of the world since every league as one tournament a year. But significant portion of leagues in Latin America have the Apertura/Clausura system. In terms of the articles on this site, the way things have seem to be done is that there is one article per tournament (one for an Apertura, one for a Clausura), equating to two articles per season. The question I pose is: is that the way it should be done? Or should there be one article covering the entire season, despite the fact there are two tournaments?
On a side note, is there any specific manual of style for the "XXXX in country football" articles? Digirami ( talk) 22:40, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Surely the subdivision of "soccer people" (???) by province is trivial? Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 06:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
We've got an uncooperative anon or three constantly re-adding very recent history to Kris Boyd, along with changing his infobox goal count at Rangers to reflect his total apps/goals rather than just his league ones. Anyone fancy sticking semiprotection on for a while? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 19:13, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Isn't this going to get massively out of date and impossible to manage incredibly quickly? -- JonBroxton ( talk) 00:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I recently created Steve Murray (footballer) as there was a redirect article at Steve Murray pointing to the Brookside character. Having thought about it, and seeing that most articles which point to Steve Murray are actually about the footballer, is it worth removing the redirect and simply moving Steve Murray (footballer) to Steve Murray? The redirect points to a list of Brookside characters, of which Steve Murray has no page. Heightwatcher ( talk) 08:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
there are currently 2 Fred Joneses: Fred Jones (English footballer) and Fred Jones (Welsh footballer). There are two more on their way, coincidentally one English and one Welsh. Should I name/rename all four to plain Fred Jones (footballer born xxxx), or dab them in pairs as Fred Jones (English footballer born xxxx) and Fred Jones (Welsh footballer born xxxx)? cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 12:57, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
The previous edit warring from Giuseppe Rossi has continued. Tesaux ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has continued with the edits which got him blocked, as have a whole bunch of different Telecom Italia IPs. The admin who originally blocked doesn't appear to be active right now, so could someone else have a look? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 22:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
The new stadium appears to have dropped the "new" and is just being described by the media as St. Mirren Park, which was the name of the old stadium. I think we should move the article to St. Mirren Park, and move the "old" stadium to St. Mirren Park (1894) per the precedent of Wembley Stadium (1923) and Wembley Stadium. Any other thoughts? Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 16:25, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Could someone please lend a hand with North Queensland Fury FC? Some anon editors seem insistent that Daniel McBreen and Scott Wilson are members of the current squad, which they are not until the end of the season. Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 12:11, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Can anybody with a subscription to playerhistory.com check Neil Caldwell's entry here and add any further information to his Wikipedia article? I can't find anything else on Google as his brief professional appearances were in the mid-1990s. Thanks. Heightwatcher ( talk) 12:51, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I just found this article - Germán Cabrera. Judging by the username of the creator there is a conflict of interests. I was just wondering whether there is any evidence that he has played for any of the teams mentioned and whether those teams are fully professional. If not I'll slap a prod on it. King of the North East 14:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I just noticed that currently, all season articles for the Austrian Football Bundesliga are named Austrian Football Bundesliga xxxx-xx, starting from the first edition Austrian Football Bundesliga 1911–12. The Austrian Bundesliga was not established until 1974, before that, the league was, to my knowledge, named Wiener Liga, then Gauliga Ostmark and, finally, Staatsliga A. Should the season article names be changed to what the league was actually called or stay as Austrian Football Bundesliga xxxx-xx? EA210269 ( talk) 01:23, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I had a look through a booklet on Austrian football I own and came up with the following naming history. My source finishes in 1991-92:
Very confusing! EA210269 ( talk) 13:21, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I've expanded the history section of the article to include information on the various league names, according to my source. And yes, an Austrian contributor for the Austrian football articles would be great! With the proposed page moves, are we happy to agree on the following article names?
Any objections or better suggestions to this plan? EA210269 ( talk) 00:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Question 1: How should the application of infoboxes like in Fußball-Bundesliga 1973–74 to season articles in general and current season articles in particular be handled? In other words: To put or not to put, and if to put, when to put (at any time or rather after the conclusion of a season)? Sorry for the Shakespearian language... ;-)
Question 2: How should transfer sections in club articles be treated: Delete upon sight with a note to collect all transfers of a country in a separate list à la those existing for the Premier League or the Bundesliga, or is another treatment to be preferred? I think there has been a consensus on this, but I can't remember... -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 11:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
This article has been recreated today – having previously gone through an AfD and numerous speedies for recreation – following a discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 April 11, where the community concluded that the player meets general notability guidelines having "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Just a heads up not to waste any valuable time re-nominating him for deletion – even if he fails WP:ATHLETE, he passes WP:N! Cheers, Giant Snowman 17:34, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello, guys. I'm Jambornik and I've added articles on almost all the mascots of FIFA World Cups here. Anyway I have a question about Tip and Tap. I could ask it at the Reference Desk but figured this way would be quicker.
My question: Is it known which of the two boys is Tip and which Tap or is the name undividable? You can answer it here, I'll be checking this page regularly. Thanks, Regards Jambornik ( talk) 07:31, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
The little boy (with football and black hairs) is Tip.
We trust that this will be of use to you.
Yours sincerely,
FIFA Communications Division
Hope that helps Stu.W UK ( talk) 00:02, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't know this for a fact, but my guess would be that the one on the left is tip and the one on the right is tap. BUC ( talk) 11:47, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Please can an admin protect Hamilton Academical F.C.; IP users keep on changing the squad flag of Simon Mensing from English (his nationality) to German (his birthplace). Cheers, Giant Snowman 18:03, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
For Soccer and other winter Northern Hemisphere sports (and Summer Southern Hemisphere sports), a category per season rather than year is useful eg Category:2003-04 in Scottish football. The usual navbox to link to categories for several past and future seasons cannot be used though, but it is possible (as here) by editing to include a “clickon” link to the category for the immediate previous and future seasons either side.
Note that the Category:2003-04 in Scottish football links to the year categories “2003 in Scotland” and “2004 in Scotland”. And in 1999 there was a roughly 50-50 split whether to say “1999-00 in Fooian Football” or “1999-2000 in Fooian Football” (which I prefer). Hugo999 ( talk) 23:42, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Following a somewhat overlong discussion here there seems to be a need for a consensus on what to do with teams of nations that have competed under various different names and with different borders. Two examples of what has happened are the German and Russian teams.
After WW2 Germany split into East Germany, West Germany and Saarland. Saarland reunited with West Germany in the 50s and Germany reunited entirely after the fall of the Berlin Wall. As far as FIFA are concerned, Germany is the successor only of West Germany. This means that 'West Germany national football team' is a redirect to 'Germany national football team', while the East and Saarland have their own articles.
Contrast this with Russia. FIFA recognises Russia as the successor to USSR and CIS yet they each get their own page. Which is right? Serbia seems to have gone for a mixture of the two - 'FR Yugoslavia' and 'Serbia and Montenegro' both redirect there, but the larger SFR Yugoslavia has it's own page despite Serbia being the successor of all three.
I would suggest that the German position is followed- if FIFA recognises a successor for the team then the article should be a redirect to the modern team, with the predecessor's name bolded in the lead. Defunct predecessors (like East Germany) should be hatnoted if thought neccessary, and they should get a mention within the history section. If this makes the article too big then separate articles can be made, but I don't think it should be necessary. Any thoughts? Stu.W UK ( talk) 21:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
What do you guys and gals think about this article (rightfully) proposed for deletion? -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 10:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Aka the Swedish first division. Is it fully pro? Poor Morten Nielsen's notability rests on it! Stu.W UK ( talk) 00:43, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
As well as the Swedish one above, any info on whether the Swiss Challenge League is fully pro (see criteria from ChrisTheDude above)? It's come up on a couple of AfDs. Stu.W UK ( talk) 09:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
From a fanguide page from the last Euro:
which roughly translates to
So it seems to be some kind of hybrid. o.O -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 10:14, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks guys- relevant AfDs are here and here if you're interested Stu.W UK ( talk) 11:21, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to start editing the Polish football pages as they are not of the best quality. May i ask if i have the help of you guys? I'm starting with the Ekstraklasa page, and i just need to find sources on the history of the Ekstraklasa.
I think much help would be needed to 'upgrade' the pages.
thelastone36 ( talk) 14:56, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
I could've sworn this article went through an AfD a while back, but I can't find any record of it...any help? Giant Snowman 22:44, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I am going to convert all templates used in football articles which can be found here [12] to new better and more comprehensive table template Fb r. Sample of my work can be found here. Any suggestion or help would be appreciate. -- Verwolff ( talk) 11:02, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Could you please assist in keeping an eye on the Goalscorer section of Serbian Superliga 2008–09? I have removed the whole list because a) it cited absolutely no sources, thus violating WP:RS, WP:V and WP:OR and b) was incorrect as the difference between table (which was triple-checked upon its correctness) and given scorers was three goals. Because of the policy violations, I have replaced the section with a simple list based on soccerway.com data, yet one or two anon editors (which were edit warring over details earlier this week) might wish to keep the whole clutter in the article.
By the way, there are also such extensive lists at the Dutch, Belgian, Danish and Norwegian Premier League 2009|Norwegian]] articles, but in contrast to the removed Serbian version, they all cite at least one source and are correct. -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 14:47, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
This page is a really handy source for seeing which football articles are up for deletion which is auto-updated by a bot - but it hasn't been updated for a couple of days, what can we do? Giant Snowman 16:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
FYI. The alerts is no updated again. Rettetast ( talk) 22:20, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
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I've just spotted something on an article on a Serbian football club ( FK Obilić) that I thought was rather neat. Alongside with the writing Relegated and Promoted in the infobox when the club has been relegated or promoted, it used this: & . Have a look on TSV Rain am Lech, I've applied it there for a trial, without actually writing promoted. I always found writing promoted or relegated in the infobox rather cumbersome. What do people think, is just a simple green arrow good enough to tell that a club has been promoted? EA210269 ( talk) 04:22, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Struway has it spot-on; the accessibility issues with replacing text by images are considerable. The potential gain is next to zero, but we may lose readability for some users. Knepflerle ( talk) 10:26, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Despite myriad conversations here, consistently (as I recall) settling on the notability threshold for players as participation in a fully professional league, the text at our published record of the policy says, and always (since started in Feb 08) has said, played for a fully professional club at a national level of the league structure (FPNL club): no wonder editors unfamiliar with this talk page's past keep making articles that we deem inappropriate. So, is that essay going to be changed, or are we going to resuscitate all those Conference players and players in top level leagues of smaller nations? Kevin McE ( talk) 09:33, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
A discussion over the name of the article is currently going on at its discussion page, triggered by several back-and-forth pagemoves between Kingjeff and Grant.Alpaugh. The delinquents preferred to use edit summaries as an argument instead of settling their differences via any talk pages. Since the discussion over the name of the club is not the first being led here, please eagerly participate ON THE ARTICLE DISCUSSION PAGE in order to reach a consensus. -- Soccer-holic ( talk) 12:25, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
There are a number of teams listed as having OFC or CAF associate membership, e.g. Micronesia and Zanzibar. Does anyone know where I might find some proof of this? The OFC and CAF websites don't mention it. Thanks Stu.W UK ( talk) 15:59, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
We seem to be arguing about everything do we? I don't see any reasons why an American flag should be next to Wicks name on the D.C. United roster and also on the MLS transfer list because he was born in Germany and hasn't played for any national teams yet, so I think a German flag should be next to his name on both the D.C. United roster and the transfer list. – Michael ( talk) 00:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I've made numerous modifications to the article and I am proposing that the rest of the "other treble/near treble" prose in the article is converted to a table format. Please see the talk page for my proposals. Thanks. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 20:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Which color should be used for the qualification and relegation in J. League 2009? I think the color currently use in J1 are not good. Green is too bright while the red is too dark. Raymond Giggs 08:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
A club that formed, applied to join the Football League, failed, then folded, all without playing a match surely doesn't merit its own article, but which of its "parent" clubs should it ber merged and redirected to.......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 13:16, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there anyone out there who fancies trying to improve this article? It is very poorly referenced and, like many Liverpool F.C. related articles, is full of hyperbole. (It has been flagged for tone since December 2007.) It was rated "B" class, but I have downgraded it to "C" as it needs a lot of work. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 22:48, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
How should the case like for example Ledley King for England, Markus Rosenberg and Behrang Safari for Sweden and I guess some others for other teams, when they're withdrawn and (perhaps not yet in King's case) replaced by other players, how should this be handled on the national team articles, I presume they should be moved to Recent callups, but should they be listed as this cancelled callup as their latest or the previous before? chan dler · 15:37, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
←(out dent) and transforming into that discussion then. I looked in the archives for some previous ones, the only one I found from some years ago. Personally I can see pros and cons with both removing and keeping. But I'm leaning for removal just because it's much easier to source, and make sure it's correct. Now sure it might cause some question marks when big players are out on injury or suspensions, but especially for smaller nations it will be much easier to keeping it well sourced if for example the national association announces the squad on their website before international dates. chan dler · 11:23, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I have made an attempt to improve this article, but to be honest for it to survive it needs people to maintain it, I don't really have an interest in football. If this wikiproject is willing to keep it up to date, then great, if not then I suggest nominating it for deletion. I've done all I can Jenuk1985 | Talk 22:50, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there a general rule of whether manager history/squad templates should be included on a football team's article and not just the players or managers? Some team articles have them and some don't. Uksam88 ( talk) 02:36, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I have just come across these two articles about the role of footballers in WWI, and the Footballer's Batallion, and wondered if anybody fancies writing an article entitled Association football during World War I or similar...I would do it myself but my dissertation is a-calling :(. Regards, Giant Snowman 12:13, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Can someone with a subscription to allfootballers.com check Ernest Perry (footballer) to see which Bradford he played for? My book on Bradford City doesn't have him listed, though he could have failed to reach the first team, while EchetusXe says his book on Port Vale lists his clubs as Bradford City rather than Bradford Park Avenue. Peanut4 ( talk) 20:02, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
The article was deleted in March 2008 by AfD with the result Delete/Categorise; Category:Croatian-Australian Socceroos was then deleted in July 2008 with the result Delete/Listify (see discussion here) and the article was restored. Logically, these two results show that the information about Croatian-Australian Socceroos should not be on Wikipedia in either article or category form, but when I tagged the article as WP:CSD#G4 (recreation of deleted material), it was denied by TerriersFan ( talk · contribs), who recommended I take it to deletion review. However, before I do that I want to gauge people's feelings on the matter...regards, Giant Snowman 20:25, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi there, i'm slightly offside on this one...
For reasons that elude even the greatest mathematicians, Spanish, Portuguese and Brazilian players are known by the entire array: first name, last name, middle name, or nickname. This leads into my query:
When arranging the defaultsort at the bottom of the page, what patterns are required? I'll give one (i think it suffices) example: For example, Spanish goalkeeper Alberto López Fernández is known as Alberto, not López; should the defaultsort be ALBERTO LOPEZ FERNANDEZ or LOPEZ FERNANDEZ, ALBERTO? If one chooses the latter, the player will be placed under the letter "L", when he should be in "A". With nicknames it's even harder...
Attentively, Vasco Amaral - -- NothingButAGoodNothing ( talk) 22:25, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
andGenerally, article naming should prefer what the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature. <...> Wikipedia determines the recognizability of a name by seeing what verifiable reliable sources in English call the subject.
For example, "Pelé", has an article titled Pelé and that article has {{DEFAULTSORT:Pele}}, which is correct: all English-language reliable sources call him that, so that's the correct title for his article, and it's obvious that that is the correct sort for that article title. On the other hand, while Franz Beckenbauer was often called "der Kaiser", that nickname didn't become the dominant name which English-language reliable sources used to refer to him. Thus, his article is also correctly titled, and has {{DEFAULTSORT:Beckenbauer, Franz}}. Coming back to Alberto López Fernández, the best English-language reliable sources I can quickly find are espn.com and goal.com, both of which give his name as "Alberto". Therefore the article is mis-titled and should be moved to a new title; when that is done, {{DEFAULTSORT:Alberto}} will be the correct sort for the article title. Studerby ( talk) 00:12, 26 March 2009 (UTC)The sort key should mirror the article's title as closely as possible, while omitting disambiguating terms. Some exceptions are made, however, to force correct collation:
Hi, seeking some consensus on the naming of this article. I believe there is a strong case for moving to 'David Mooney'; the name by which he seems to be referred to in the English media (despite being known mainly as 'Dave' in Ireland), seeing as he is now most notable for his career in England. Please see the talk page discussion page for more background.-- NCFCQ ( talk) 23:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I created the article today after he made his professional debut yesterday. But I wonder, should I move it to Fabio Ferreira, create the Fabio Ferreira as a disambig page, or redirect it (the red link) to Fábio Ferreira and add the template (as I have done)? I'm just unsure about how to go about it. – LATICS talk 01:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Matthew Wicks is the son of Steve Wicks; sources back that up. However, are they any relation to Stan Wicks? I think Stan is Steve's father, and therefore Matthew's grandfather, but can't find a source to prove it. My reasoning? Stan (born 1928) played at Reading, where both Steve (born 1956) and Matthew (born 1978) were born; Stan also played for Chelsea, the club where Steve started his pro career. It could be a coincidence, but methinks not... Giant Snowman 05:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Does this article have anything to commend it? A very imprecise definition, and a list with a total lack of inclusion criteria. PRODable? Kevin McE ( talk) 20:34, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
can an Admin please have a look I have listed it for speedy deletion on the basis it is a recreaation of deleted material, also suggest someone point out the criteria for inclusion to User:WereSpielChequers as he turned down a previous 1 because "he's a footballer who plays for Liverpool" Skitzo's Answer Machine 00:26, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I've had to let my membership of allfootballers.com lapse because I'm skint, and I don't have any of my books here at work, so can anyone help me out with the date of death of the Tom Baxter who played for Gillingham in the 1920-21 season? Cheers!!!!!! -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:33, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
There's been a bit of editwarring over at {{ Russia Squad 1994 World Cup}}, {{ Russia Squad 1996 UEFA Euro}}, {{ Russia Squad 2002 World Cup}}, {{ Russia Squad 2004 UEFA Euro}}, {{ Russia Squad 2008 UEFA Euro}} regarding Russia's colours. Now I agree with the side that it should be White and Blue, 94, 96, 02 and 04, the two primary colours were obviously white and blue, in 08, they played in that full white strip (and the Russian flag on the chest). The points given by User:Caio Brandão Costa here and that White and blue are the more historically associated colours with the team, and that's why those colours should be used.
Just as Brazil are associated with yellow and green (and therefore all their squad boxes are yellow and green), even if they used white and blue in 1950 and before 54. Same, all Portugals squad templates haven't been changed from the sort of burgundy and gold to red and green or white just because of last years strip. Same reason given at the Austrian squads. There are probably other examples. chan dler · 13:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I and cha ndl er have different points of view about Sid Kimpton, an article I've just created. I think he is one and the same with a man called George Kimpton in most sources. Chandler disagree. As It is a complex question I would like to bring some opinions and sources as well. Cheers. -- Latouffedisco ( talk) 08:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi guys - I'm at work now, but I'll take a look tonight and see if I can "arbitrate" and also fill in the details of his playing career. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 09:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Does anybody know if he had some links with the US? Like a team trained, a parent there, a competition he took part... A great researcher friend of mine found something interesting, but it's hard to say who's the right Kimpton, the 1934 French coach. Thanks to the French mania of changing names to foreign people...! -- necronudist ( talk) 14:47, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I've now had time to look at my Saints reference books - his second name was "Sibley", but he was known as "Sid" - no mention of "George". After details of his playing career, which I'll add to the article later, the article goes on to say "In the thirties he was part of the Czechoslovakian coaching set-up and was given a medal when the national side reached the World Cup final against Italy in 1934. He was captured by the Germans in 1940 and spent the next five years as a P.O.W." The career summary section shows him coaching with the French national team in the 1920s (no specific dates) before coaching at Coventry City (1928), then with the Czech national team (1930s) and then "coaching in France" from 1936–1940. This seems to confirm athat "George" and "Sid" were the same person. I hope this helps. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 19:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I have now expanded the section covering his playing career. The coaching/managerial career section still needs expanding - I'll leave Clio64B to re-write the article on French Wikipedia and then get it translated into English. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 06:58, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
The ABC of the Saints says that his playing career ended when he joined Pogoń Lwów; it also confirms the date of death as 15 February 1968. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 16:48, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Kimpton never coached Pogoń Lwów.
Vertigo12 ( talk) 17:39, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Ancestry.co.uk does list a Gabriel Sibley Kimpton, born in Watford, but in December 1886. Don't know why he wouldn't be listed on the 1891 census, though.... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 10:30, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I have now uploaded a picture of Sid Kimpton in his Saint's playing days and added it to the article - to me, this is clearly a younger version of the FC Rouen manager on their website [7]. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 19:35, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Let's have a game of PRO-EVOLUTION WIKI, shall we?
I have this doubt: i have often seen that some articles are deleted, because players do not meet the standards (i.e. never played in a professional league). The query i bring forward is this: For example, ANDREAS MEPPEN (he does not have a wiki-article, just an example), a retired German defender who played for mainly SV Meppen, amassed more than 400 second division games, but never appeared in the top level (here is his link http://www.fussballdaten.de/spieler/helmerandreas/).
Thus, if someone wanted to create this or a similar article, would it be "illegal"? I think not, as most of Europe's 2.Division leagues are highly professional.
Cheers, Vasco Amaral - -- NothingButAGoodNothing ( talk) 21:05, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
This article needs a soccer expert to come and take a look. It appears to be about two or three different persons (unclear whether any of them or all of them are notable), and has a somewhat complicated history, with people arguing over who was who on the article page. It is also completely unsourced. Fram ( talk) 09:47, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I've now proposed this article for deletion, since I can find very little to confirm the existence of the person, and nothing to establish any notability. I notice that the article creator User talk:Jaymillionaire has had most of his other articles already deleted as being about non notable subjects. Fram ( talk) 10:24, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please look at Rudolf Jeny; for some reason the 'dateofdeath' parameter does not display in the infobox, and I can't for the life of me work out why. Thanks in advance, Giant Snowman 19:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
The left-pointing arrow in this and all the subsequent season infoboxes isn't displaying in the HTML article, yet it does when the article is converted to a .pdf. Anyone know the reason behind this? - Dudesleeper / Talk 00:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Out of interest, do you see the arrows in the template version? If so, mind migrating that article across to use it? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I've been creating this article for the past few days now and have just moved it from my sandbox to its own page, he should be notable enough having made 9 football league appearances and scoring in three for PNE back in 1993. This is my first real attempt at a new wiki article so i would really appreciate any hints or advice anyone may have for me, also if you think anything needs changing + added. I've also requested it for assesment over on Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Assessment where there is a bit of a backlog of requests. Thanks Uksam88 ( talk) 01:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Uksam88 - well done mate. First bash - it's a good go. I am sure you'll encounter a fair few mongs on the way (as I have) who get annoyed that you're not some wikipedia professor. Keep up the good work though! Dribblingscribe ( talk) 10:35, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Just been going through the above cat to make sure those who are on wikipedia are mentioned in that category. Does anyone have an idea why Hugh Fisher (footballer) is showing up under S instead of F? Uksam88 ( talk) 16:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Following on from an earlier discussion in which I suggested starting an article on football during the First World War - which, as you will see I have now done - I propose that we also create a category on Category:Footballers who fought in World War I (as, according to sources on the article, some 2,000 professional footballers signed up to fight in 1914), and also a a category on Category:Footballers who died in World War I, as 500 footballers died from the Football Battalion alone. I think then we should (read that as I should) also start an article on the Second World War, and introduce similar categories. Any objections/thoughts/opinions on the matter? Giant Snowman 21:08, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations on the two articles. Just a warning – there were two previously categories that were deleted following a CfD [8] - Category:Footballers who served in the British Army and Category:Footballers who served in the RAF on the grounds that these were "trivial intersections". -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 05:26, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Out of interest, why was the suggestion to start these within the existing history article ignored? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I have tried to create a template for top goalscorer boxes. Three examples can be found here. The first is from Danish Superliga 2008–09, the second from 2010 FIFA World Cup qualification - UEFA Group 1 and the last is from UEFA Champions League 2008–09.
Can it be used? Please come with critics. ka la ha 13:25, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
hi, this lad, Yuri Berchiche, made his professional debut today for cheltenham, but I don't know what to do to get a page restored, any online now know the procedure? cheers Prem4eva ( talk) 17:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Hello there,
i discovered there are (at least) two Spanish footballers named CHEMA, and so, redirected pages to Chema (footballer born 1976) and Chema (footballer born 1980), as both players are known by nicknames.
1st, i hope i did well. In case i did, can anyone help me create - or tell me how to - a disambiguation page? I reckon it is needed, with the pages having been moved.
Regards, Vasco Amaral - -- NothingButAGoodNothing ( talk) 19:48, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, just thought I'd let you know that there is now a template, {{ WLD}}, that can be used within a table to automatically calculate Win%. At the moment it has a reletively small scope for use, but I believe it is still useful as is removes all human error from percentage calculations, and these are more common than you think. (e.g. the numbers of this FL before and after). Linked is the only article page I have added the template to so far. I wanted to show how it works but get community feedback from here as to whether other people will find it useful, before implementing it any other pages. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 13:55, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Name | Played | Win | Draw | Lose | Win% [C] |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Jimmy Hogan | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 100.00 |
Eric Houghton | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0.00 |
Joe Mercer | 10 | 1 | 9 | 0 | 10.00 |
After a lot of fiddling I managed to work out a way to have goals for and against columns too. So this change should greatly increase where this can be used.
Name | Played | Win | Draw | Lose | GF | GA | Win% |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Jimmy Hogan | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 100.00 |
Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 16:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
This chap is an interesting one - he played internationally for both Israel and the United States, but turned down a professional career in both soccer and American football in order to pursue his academic studies. If anyone has any details of his early footballing career - i.e. dates & numbers of caps for both national teams, his college career, any semi-pro or amateur teams he turned out for - I would be extremely grateful. Cheers, Giant Snowman 23:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
He didn't play any official A international for Israel or USA. -- necronudist ( talk) 09:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
From: Zinn, Ben T <e-mail removed>
Sent: Tue 24/03/2009 10:11
To: Philip Copley; <e-mail removed>
Subject: RE: A quick question about your soccer career
Hi Mr. Copley,
I will be happy to work with and would appreciate getting the following
information:
I look forward to your response.
Ben
I have sent him an e-mail back, and will let you know what he says. Giant Snowman 11:03, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
From: Zinn, Ben T <e-mail removed>
Sent: Wed 25/03/2009 11:25
To: Philip Copley
Subject: RE: A quick question about your soccer career
Hi Philip,
I will respond shortly to your questions, hopefully before the end of the week when my schedule lightens up a bit. I also wonder if you have visited my Ga. Tech web site?
In the mean time, please tell me a bit more about youself.
With best wishes,
Ben
I have e-mailed him back again, and when I get some more info will post it here. Giant Snowman 11:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
From: Zinn, Ben T <e-mail removed>
Sent: Fri 27/03/2009 13:06
To: Philip Copley; 'Zinn, Ben T'
Subject: RE: A quick question about your soccer career
Hi Phil,
Below is edited version of what I found in Wikipedia and additional information, which may be of help to you.
Here are a few more details about my soccer career, which was relatively short because of the demands of my academic career.
In 1957, just before coming to the states, I played for Hapoel Tel Aviv that won the Israeli first division championship that year. The same year I visited the US with an Israeli All Star team (sort of a national team) and also played in Britain (Arsenal), Scotland (Celtics) and France (Racing Club of Paris). While in the US, I played about five times for the US national team including a 1959 game against England. The English team included: Bobby Wright, Charleston, Hopkins and other well known players (I still have the game’s program, if you are interested). While at NYU and Stanford, I played for the NY and California All Stars teams. Thanks for your interest and best wishes.
Ben
He has also give me some more info re:his non-football career, and I'll edit the article accordingly. Giant Snowman 13:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Zinn has e-mailed (the e-mail is quite lengthy, and can be found on his article's talk page) me to confirm, again, his reasons for name changes, and his other US national team appearances. Most of them are unofficial appearances (against club sides) which is why they don't feature on official lists - but he does mention one game against the Bermudan national team...does anyone know if this was an official game? Regards, Giant Snowman 12:22, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Anyone know a good source for Major Indoor Soccer League stats; Laurie Abrahams played for the New York Cosmos in the 1984–85 MISL season, and I can't find stats for him anywhere. He also played in the Australian National Soccer League in 1986 for the Melbourne Knights; his stats are also missing for that season. Any help would be appreciated! Regards, Giant Snowman 22:08, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi guys. I've created Tommy Dunne (Scottish footballer), as there's an Irish hurler at Tommy Dunne and an Irish footballer at Tommy Dunne (footballer). I'd guess that there needs to be a bit of moving here, at least for the Irish footballer to (Irish footballer): what would be best here? Heightwatcher ( talk) 08:29, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know of a good archive which lists the playing stats of the U-23, U-20 and U-18 USA men's team's through the years? The ussoccer.com website has a paltry archive which goes back to 2005, but it is a little incomplete... I'm looking for something which goes back to the late 1980s perhaps, or even just provides a list of names with caps and goals. Can anyone help? -- JonBroxton ( talk) 21:14, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Does Pierre Cotant meet your Project notability standards? Who then was a gentleman? ( talk) 01:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
To restart, if I am not incorrect our little football project is the only(?) part of Wikipedia that still isn't using {{ Navbox}} based navigational templates, we use the {{ fb start}} on "width:47em" instead of full width. Even though It (probably) would be a really big pain in the ass to reformat the whole system to go into Navboxes I think in the long run it's worth it. Personally I find it much easier to edit and customize the Navbox template, and it gives more freedom (in if nothing else width).
I remember a message a while back from User:Thumperward about the season templates we have for competitions on certain OS' can get wrongly aligned because of default fonts which are too large etc. Now problems like these would be fixed by using Navboxes.
I have here played around with a few current templates and re-formated them into working with Navboxes. And have already implemented a try in two templates ({{ UEFA Champions League}} and {{ UEFA Cup}}) which works with using the {{ fb start}} template system, and look pretty much the same. And I'm guessing it would be possible to easily convert the current templates to at least work inside Navboxes so nothing breaks during a transition period.
tl;dr, How about converting our navigational templates into the Navbox standard? chan dler · 07:30, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
{| class="navbox"
{| class="navbox" cellspacing="0"
(cellspacing 0 to just tighten it up) would work. But that goes into the question, should we continue with everything into one border like it is now and in my sandbox or each navbox separate, I think its easier to transition into one box and change the fb start into {| class="navbox" cellspacing="0"</nowiki>
.|state = {{{state|collapsed}}
to all templates and just put in state = plain or uncollapsed when the template is primary. Thoughts?
chan
dler
· 00:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC){{navbox|child}}
formatting - at that point the templates could trivially be converted to full navbox instances by a bot. I performed this on several of the high-profile UEFA / Scotland / Rangers templates yesterday, but it's been reverted. Waiting to hear what the specific objections were.
Chris Cunningham (not at work) -
talk 08:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I have to object to all the edits being made to change the templates, not just because I think they were better as they were but also because there seems to be no consensus for changing them, it just seems to be two or three people agreeing to change them. I would suggest that Template:2008-09 in Scottish football looked far better and was far more user-friendly before it was changed, As I have said already the average user would most likely have no idea what to do with an array of collapsed templates at the bottom of a page. I can't see much problem with the templates at the moment, why not go and do something worthwhile rather than just trying to confuse users. Darryl.matheson ( talk) 16:07, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
While there is being converting right now, what about a small meet in the middle, Yes I think 100% width is the way to go in the longrun but might look strange with those not converted, so what about chaing the fb start to {| class="navbox" style="width:70em;"
, giving more width, removing the margin (so it "melts" together with the other navboxes) and remove the fontsize because it causes a bit of problem with {{
navbox}}.
chan
dler
· 11:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Comparing how my proposed EC/CL template would look. The top is fb start, the second {| class="navbox" style="width:70em;"
the third is the "final step"
chan
dler
· 11:50, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
|
|
{{
navbox|child}}
syntax first - this means that the templates can be updated in-place without losing the football box styling. At a later point, when that's mature, we can discuss again whether to abolish the football box format and move to standard navbox templates. This will mean changing the project guideline and getting a bot to update all the articles, but it's trivial if all the templates already use {{
navbox|child}}
as all that needs to be done to convert them into full {{
navbox}}es is to remove the "child" parameter and a little boilerplate.
Chris Cunningham (not at work) -
talk 14:46, 31 March 2009 (UTC)Can an admin please undo some ridiculous page moves? Basically, Blackjanedavey ( talk · contribs) moved Jim Rooney (soccer player) to Jim Rooney (australian footballer), and then to Jim Rooney (american footballer) – both titles are factually incorrect, spelt incorrectly (need capitals), and most importantly both moves were NOT discussed. I think you need to be an admin to undo these page moves...thanks in advance, Giant Snowman 01:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi: I now suspect this article to be a hoax. It claims, among other things, that Teymourian was an alternate on the US Olympic team in 1984. I took a look at the official site, and he's not listed, but I don't know if alternates would be. Could somebody take a look at this? Thanks, Ray Talk 15:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
People may be interested to know that the Poll on date autoformatting and linking is now open. All users are invited to participate. Lightmouse ( talk) 17:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I've been learning to use navboxes and have come up with a possible replacement for the Non-FIFA teams template. I've put it it my Sandbox and would appreciate any advice. Is there a better way to organise the teams? Am I ok to use the navbox template or should I be using the football one? Is making each region individually collapsible too fiddly? Is there any point in the template in the first place other than as an easy way to locate potential AfD nominations? Thanks in advance Stu.W UK ( talk) 03:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
In their infinite wisdom, the FA seem to have redesigned their website and changed all the urls so that anything referencing it is landing on a Page not found. Some pages still exist with new urls, others appear to have got lost in the redesign process. Hopefully it's an April Fool and all will be back where it was by tomorrow, but I'm not holding my breath... cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 23:32, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I notice that a whole bunch of South Korean and other footballers have been put up for deletion. Interested editors may like to check them out. TerriersFan ( talk) 17:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Seems this is part of a test regarding this discussion. I understand the need for sourcing, but it's annoying to have had a large number of articles under this project included and it now feels like I'm just helping to prove a point by spending a large amount of time on these. Camw ( talk) 08:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
I have never joined a wikiproject before and was wondering what I have to do to get involved. I have a real passion for football as well as countless books on hand as references. Would like to get involved on anything to do with the World Cup's particularly but anything will do! -- Thelostlibertine ( talk) 01:54, 3 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelostlibertine ( talk • contribs) 01:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
On player articles, how should players who play for Red Bull New York/ New York Red Bulls be listed? Should the articles say they play for Red Bull New York (the organization which owns the team) or New York Red Bulls (the name of the team itself). A quick clafirication on the manual of style would be appreciated. Thanks! -- JonBroxton ( talk) 01:53, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi this template contains a list of teams with an unclear inclusion and exclusion criteria, those listed as recognised by FIFA are not all recognised by FIFA, and the other section is partially supported by a flag manufacturer (whom I am not convinced are a reliable source) [11], but it also contains teams not included on their list, as well as excluding teams on their site. User:Chandler is adding teams, but is unwilling to WP:PROVEIT, this has been raised before on Template_talk:UEFA_teams, is this non-encyclopedic WP:OR in encylopedic space, failing WP:VERIFY? Fasach Nua ( talk) 07:17, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Guys, please keep calm and be civil - this spat is not doing either of your reputations any good. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 18:08, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Amid all this shouting about The Rules, do be careful not to break the Prime Directive. BEVE ( talk) 19:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Some anons have been removing the " American soccer players" and American expatriate soccer players" categories from Giuseppe Rossi's article, despite the player having been born in the United States. The article clearly states that he is an Italian-American, and I think that he should, therefore, be categorised as both Italian and American. After all, he could have chosen to play for the USA but chose to play for Italy instead. Can I get some advice on this? – Pee Jay 22:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Ronaldinho has Spanish citizenship, but he is not a Spanish footballer. 142.161.163.92 ( talk) 23:23, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Just to track these, here's the list of IP hops which have been edit warring over this recently. They're all registered to Telstra Italia:
And one user:
The page itself has now been semiprotected. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:06, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm looking to get a few opinions on which photo is better for his profile photo - old photo or new photo. I'm obviously not impartial here but the reason I replaced the old one was due to (my opinion) the low quality and unappealing lack of sharpness. The new image was replaced by an IP editor saying that the new version makes him "look like a rapist". I'm not going to take anything decided personally, I want the best image included in the article regardless of which it is. Camw ( talk) 07:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Would one appearance in the Texaco Cup in 1975, playing for Birmingham City F.C. against Ayr United F.C., make a player notable? That was the only first-team game he played for Birmingham, and AFAIK he never played for any other club in a fully-pro league. ("No" would be a good answer, as it'd be one more off the list without having to actually write the stub...) cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 17:03, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Just added a reference and infobox to this page after I saw he'd been PRODed but tbh it could do with a better one and some more info if possible. Then again, he played one season for Torquay in the mid-eighties followed by about 16 years for Teignmouth AFC so I can't imagine there'll be a massive queue. Any takers? Stu.W UK ( talk) 02:42, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Spotted this one while looking through the new pages backlog, about a bizarre match in November 2002 when SO l'Emyrne deliberately conceded 149 own goals and subsequently set a world record scoreline. I found some references and added them. Any thoughts? -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 15:27, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
This looks like a total fabrication - I've removed parts that stated he played for Leyton Orient (this person has never turned out for Orient). Not sure what the procedure is so I decided to bring it up here. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 18:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Two footballers called Gary/Garry O'Connor; one located at Gary O'Connor (footballer) and one at Garry O'Connor. Why does Gary O'Connor (one R) redirect to Garry O'Connor (two Rs) and not Gary O'Connor (footballer) (one R)...shouldn't the page at Gary O'Connor (footballer) be moved to Gary O'Connor, with hatnotes at each Gary/Garry saying 'not to be confused with' or 'for the former [club name] [position], see...'? Giant Snowman 21:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
While editing Michael Byrne (footballer) I came across this article suggesting this guy was Everton caretaker at some point. Can anyone find anything to support this - Everton managers article and links don't mention him Stu.W UK ( talk) 02:47, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone find anything about this player? I've PRODed him because I can't find any evidence he's played anywhere. Google search turns up this and nothing else which suggests the article dob must be wrong. The only proof he's ever been in the squad for FK Bežanija is this. That link also shows it isn't a misspelling or missing off diacritics that's causing the lack of info. No stats show his name and he isn't on the Serbian league website. Stu.W UK ( talk) 04:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Some users keep on adding unsourced foreign name to biography of living people, such as Hakan Yakin, Murat Yakin, Armend Dallku and Mehmet Dragusha, does it notable that all people related to Turkey need İ to I, and for those Kosovar Albanian, need a unsourced Serbo-Croats Latin form for the Albanian name?? The name conversion of the article has been discussed in Archive 20, but not yet for inside the article. Matthew_hk t c 15:19, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Another MOS issue for you: in infoboxes, how would people recommend we format the entries for players who play for teams which change their names while they are there?
An example: Carlos Mendes has played in MLS for the MetroStars since 2005; the team changed its name to New York Red Bulls in 2006, meaning he is one of twenty or so players who was active with the team when the name change took place. Should we list both team names separated by a slash in the same entry (like it is now), break it over two lines with a 'BR' (which I actually like as it makes the infobox neater), or some other way? What do you think? -- JonBroxton ( talk) 16:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the input, guys. I've changed Mendes's infobox to reflect the consensus, and will use this layout for any future occurrences. Thanks again! -- JonBroxton ( talk) 16:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm currently experiencing a problem whereby, whenever I view a club's article, the kits in the infobox appear briefly but then vanish, leaving white space. Is anyone else getting this....? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:14, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I have started an AfD that might be of interest to this project here thanks. BigDunc Talk 14:29, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
This guy looks notable but I can't source him - can anyone help, please? TerriersFan ( talk) 17:52, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
What do you guys want me to do with football articles tagged for speedy deletion? - Dan Dank55 ( push to talk) 18:54, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Not sure if anyone noticed, but a couple of days ago I went around the club season articles, replacing all of the hyphens in their titles with endashes. I've started to do the same on competitions, but there's just so bloody many of them. Is there any chance that someone could write a bot that could do this? – Pee Jay 10:24, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
The newly uploaded image on Francisco Sandaza is of very good quality and looks suspiciously lifted from a news/newspaper website. What's the process for deleting/warning? Heightwatcher ( talk) 10:31, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
The image is from here. Camw ( talk) 10:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
This looks like a pretty long-term problem. Anyone fancy trying to engage this user before he gets himself blocked for long-term policy vio? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:00, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Has soccerbase only reported the games that Ritchie Hanlon scored in for the 1997–98 season he played for Welling, or are they the exact stats? -- Jimbo [online] 12:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Be ready for some-one to jump the gun and create an article on Ipswich Town player Connor Wickham; the BBC has just reported that he may make his debut this weekend at the age of just 16 years 11 days... Giant Snowman 12:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
According to "The Complete Wales FC 1876-2008" by Bill Samuel, three players named William Roberts have played for Wales. It's fairly easy to disambiguate one of them, as he was born in a different year to the other two, but the remaining two were both born in 1959 (one on 18 March and the other on an unknown date). Obviously I can't disambiguate by nationality, and they both seem to have played as wing forwards on both sides, both inside and outside. I could create one article at William Roberts (footballer born March 1959) and another at William Roberts (footballer born 1959), but I'm not sure that's an ideal solution. What do people suggest? – Pee Jay 12:21, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
What's happened to Template:Infobox Football biography 2? All youth and senior infobox stats are not appearing, only international stats. Heightwatcher ( talk) 08:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Bit of an odd one - he made eight appearances for Gillingham in 1920, then another 32 in 1929/30, but nothing at all in between!! None of my books on the Gills indicate that he left the club and rejoined, and they all indicate that it's definitely the same guy in both instances - does anyone have any other sources to suggest otherwise, or did he really content himself with playing in the reserves for the best part of nine years.....? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 21:00, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Another player who has a similar career blank - Andy McBride. Neil Brown has him at Crystal Palace for the 1973–74 season, and his next appearance isn't until 1978, when he joins the NASL in the States. Does anyone know if he stayed at Palace between 74 and 78?
On another note, the first Google hit for Andy McBride is a piece from the website of the BNP...I do hope it's a different McBride! Giant Snowman 02:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Is there a policy, formal or otherwise, on the notability of foreign clubs? I've just found about 20 Korean clubs none of which are in the 3 leagues written about on wikipedia. Is there a level they they need to compete at in order to be kept? Stu.W UK ( talk) 21:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
No, not this one. He played for Sheffield Wednesday (1956-1966) and FC Bruges of Belgium, before killing himself in December 1968. Anyone have a date of birth for the fellow? Giant Snowman 03:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Template:Cardiff City F.C. was recently changed from this to the current revision. I assumed it was just a change in policy on the style of club infobox but after searching through a number of teams in the Premier League and the Football League it seems like it is the only one that has been changed to this style. Should it have been changed or are all of the club infoboxes set to be changed? Thanks. Kosack ( talk) 15:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
شايب محمد مهدي ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) seems to have made a few edits of questionable value to various Middle Eastern footy bios in the last month. Anyone fancy checking these? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:52, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Looks like we have a lot of work cut out here... Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 18:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
This is another potentially infinite list, if left without cut-off criterions. If we suppose to have 1,000 professional teams in the World, each with at least 3 rivalries, then this list would be populated by no less than 1,000*3/2=1,500 entries. And, believe me, this is very optimistic... -- Angelo ( talk) 18:41, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
This is completely redundant to Major football rivalries anyway. Nanonic ( talk) 19:47, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm wondering if someone can help me. User:Bruninho is continually reverting my edits on the page for Albert Celades. My edits are fairly trivial - it's basically about the link piping of FC Barcelona, and omitting the "FC" part of the name from the link pipe, as per the agreed standard which omits "FC"/"AC"/"SC" or whatever from the pipe. What bothers me is that I have tried, on many, many occasions, to get him to talk; I'm explaining the reason for my edit, saying that it's in line with WP:FOOTY style policy and WP:COMMONNAME, but he won't have it. I've left him messages in edit summaries, on his personal talk page, and on the talk pages of the anonymous IPs he uses, but no matter what I do he refuses to communicate. He just comes in, reverts (with no edit summary), and leaves.
Now, I appreciate that I have gone against 3RR a couple of times over this (for which I apologize), but I can't seem to get through to the guy no matter how many times I ask him to talk. Anyone have any ideas what I can do? -- JonBroxton ( talk) 20:52, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Template:Medio Tiempo doesn't work like it used to, Medio Tiempo changed there website so it makes the template work differently. What should i do? Delete the template or something else? Any suggestions? Thanks. Black 'n Red 02:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
A few countries seem to have state selections that compete against each other, e.g. Jammu and Kashmir and Nagaland in India or Chuuk and Pohnpei in Micronesia. I think a similar thing happens in Russia, but only defunct teams have turned up here, e.g. Bashkortostan. All the Spanish regions have them too, but they seem to compete against international teams as well as each other. The Indian state teams seem to be notable, but I have no idea about the others. What should these teams be classed as- representative teams, national teams, something else? Should they appear at all? They currently seem to be using the national team infobox which seems wrong to me- 'first international' etc is meaningless here. Any thoughts? Stu.W UK ( talk) 03:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Currently manager (football) redirects to Coach (sport), but that article, in addition to being 100% US-centric, contains essentially no content about the role of a football manager. So what would be the best option? Add content about football management to the existing article (even though in football parlance the "coach" is generally a separate individual to the manager, with different responsibilities) or create a new article solely about football management and then try to figure out which links need changing to point to it.....? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 11:48, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
A Croatian who was active mainly in the States - hence his Anglicised name. He spent four seasons playing in Austria, Germany and Switzerland. However, I don't know any teams or dates; can anyone help? His Croatian name was spelt Đuro or Đjuro. Cheers in advance, Giant Snowman 00:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
81.107.52.140 ( talk · contribs) has been editing the David Wheater article. At first it seemed like removal of referenced content so I reverted to an earlier version and left the user a notice. However, the same user then "updated" the information claiming to be a personal friend and therefore correct. Should the page be reverted again to before this user started to edit? -- DFS454 ( talk) 10:27, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Lately I have been rooting through and referencing Category:All unreferenced BLPs and I've noticed the extrodinary amount of football/soccer biographies there. I'm posting here to ask all those who routinely create biographies on these players to always reference them. Unreferenced BLPs are a big deal and due care must be taken when creating profiles of living people. Also, if there's some people here familiar with reliable sources in the field, you're welcome to head over there and cite some of the literally thousands of unreferenced football/soccer bios. Them From Space 20:07, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Some users have had trouble with Simon nelson ( talk · contribs) in the past over his ignorance of some aspects of the MoS and never replying to people on his talk page. He's been doing a lot of removing youth clubs from infoboxes lately and I have left him several messages, but to no avail. I left him a message just a few moments ago and just three minutes later, he removed another youth club. Anyone have any ideas what to do? Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 20:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Yay or nay? I just created the {{ Atlanta Chiefs managers}} before realising it may not be acceptable... Giant Snowman 00:57, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
This image of Alan Ball is up for deletion because it (paraphrasing) "can be easily replaced by a free alternative". Is this true, given that he is no longer with us? If anyone took a photo of him during his managerial days, please speak up now! - Dudesleeper / Talk 21:19, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
EchetusXe has just created Willie Aitken but there is already Billy Aitken. Which one should be the redirect? Informations are a bit different, too. I can provide some details about his carreer in France, but I don't know where he was before. Any ideas?-- Latouffedisco ( talk) 16:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
I created this article and this one, and just wondered what people thought of them and also whether they have the right titles, I considered something like List of winners of the Second tier of Scottish football but could not decide which would be best. Darryl.matheson ( talk) 01:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I know this may not be in issue in the majority of the world since every league as one tournament a year. But significant portion of leagues in Latin America have the Apertura/Clausura system. In terms of the articles on this site, the way things have seem to be done is that there is one article per tournament (one for an Apertura, one for a Clausura), equating to two articles per season. The question I pose is: is that the way it should be done? Or should there be one article covering the entire season, despite the fact there are two tournaments?
On a side note, is there any specific manual of style for the "XXXX in country football" articles? Digirami ( talk) 22:40, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Surely the subdivision of "soccer people" (???) by province is trivial? Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 06:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
We've got an uncooperative anon or three constantly re-adding very recent history to Kris Boyd, along with changing his infobox goal count at Rangers to reflect his total apps/goals rather than just his league ones. Anyone fancy sticking semiprotection on for a while? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 19:13, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Isn't this going to get massively out of date and impossible to manage incredibly quickly? -- JonBroxton ( talk) 00:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I recently created Steve Murray (footballer) as there was a redirect article at Steve Murray pointing to the Brookside character. Having thought about it, and seeing that most articles which point to Steve Murray are actually about the footballer, is it worth removing the redirect and simply moving Steve Murray (footballer) to Steve Murray? The redirect points to a list of Brookside characters, of which Steve Murray has no page. Heightwatcher ( talk) 08:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
there are currently 2 Fred Joneses: Fred Jones (English footballer) and Fred Jones (Welsh footballer). There are two more on their way, coincidentally one English and one Welsh. Should I name/rename all four to plain Fred Jones (footballer born xxxx), or dab them in pairs as Fred Jones (English footballer born xxxx) and Fred Jones (Welsh footballer born xxxx)? cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 12:57, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
The previous edit warring from Giuseppe Rossi has continued. Tesaux ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has continued with the edits which got him blocked, as have a whole bunch of different Telecom Italia IPs. The admin who originally blocked doesn't appear to be active right now, so could someone else have a look? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 22:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
The new stadium appears to have dropped the "new" and is just being described by the media as St. Mirren Park, which was the name of the old stadium. I think we should move the article to St. Mirren Park, and move the "old" stadium to St. Mirren Park (1894) per the precedent of Wembley Stadium (1923) and Wembley Stadium. Any other thoughts? Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 16:25, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Could someone please lend a hand with North Queensland Fury FC? Some anon editors seem insistent that Daniel McBreen and Scott Wilson are members of the current squad, which they are not until the end of the season. Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 12:11, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Can anybody with a subscription to playerhistory.com check Neil Caldwell's entry here and add any further information to his Wikipedia article? I can't find anything else on Google as his brief professional appearances were in the mid-1990s. Thanks. Heightwatcher ( talk) 12:51, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I just found this article - Germán Cabrera. Judging by the username of the creator there is a conflict of interests. I was just wondering whether there is any evidence that he has played for any of the teams mentioned and whether those teams are fully professional. If not I'll slap a prod on it. King of the North East 14:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I just noticed that currently, all season articles for the Austrian Football Bundesliga are named Austrian Football Bundesliga xxxx-xx, starting from the first edition Austrian Football Bundesliga 1911–12. The Austrian Bundesliga was not established until 1974, before that, the league was, to my knowledge, named Wiener Liga, then Gauliga Ostmark and, finally, Staatsliga A. Should the season article names be changed to what the league was actually called or stay as Austrian Football Bundesliga xxxx-xx? EA210269 ( talk) 01:23, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I had a look through a booklet on Austrian football I own and came up with the following naming history. My source finishes in 1991-92:
Very confusing! EA210269 ( talk) 13:21, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I've expanded the history section of the article to include information on the various league names, according to my source. And yes, an Austrian contributor for the Austrian football articles would be great! With the proposed page moves, are we happy to agree on the following article names?
Any objections or better suggestions to this plan? EA210269 ( talk) 00:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Question 1: How should the application of infoboxes like in Fußball-Bundesliga 1973–74 to season articles in general and current season articles in particular be handled? In other words: To put or not to put, and if to put, when to put (at any time or rather after the conclusion of a season)? Sorry for the Shakespearian language... ;-)
Question 2: How should transfer sections in club articles be treated: Delete upon sight with a note to collect all transfers of a country in a separate list à la those existing for the Premier League or the Bundesliga, or is another treatment to be preferred? I think there has been a consensus on this, but I can't remember... -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 11:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
This article has been recreated today – having previously gone through an AfD and numerous speedies for recreation – following a discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 April 11, where the community concluded that the player meets general notability guidelines having "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Just a heads up not to waste any valuable time re-nominating him for deletion – even if he fails WP:ATHLETE, he passes WP:N! Cheers, Giant Snowman 17:34, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello, guys. I'm Jambornik and I've added articles on almost all the mascots of FIFA World Cups here. Anyway I have a question about Tip and Tap. I could ask it at the Reference Desk but figured this way would be quicker.
My question: Is it known which of the two boys is Tip and which Tap or is the name undividable? You can answer it here, I'll be checking this page regularly. Thanks, Regards Jambornik ( talk) 07:31, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
The little boy (with football and black hairs) is Tip.
We trust that this will be of use to you.
Yours sincerely,
FIFA Communications Division
Hope that helps Stu.W UK ( talk) 00:02, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't know this for a fact, but my guess would be that the one on the left is tip and the one on the right is tap. BUC ( talk) 11:47, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Please can an admin protect Hamilton Academical F.C.; IP users keep on changing the squad flag of Simon Mensing from English (his nationality) to German (his birthplace). Cheers, Giant Snowman 18:03, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
For Soccer and other winter Northern Hemisphere sports (and Summer Southern Hemisphere sports), a category per season rather than year is useful eg Category:2003-04 in Scottish football. The usual navbox to link to categories for several past and future seasons cannot be used though, but it is possible (as here) by editing to include a “clickon” link to the category for the immediate previous and future seasons either side.
Note that the Category:2003-04 in Scottish football links to the year categories “2003 in Scotland” and “2004 in Scotland”. And in 1999 there was a roughly 50-50 split whether to say “1999-00 in Fooian Football” or “1999-2000 in Fooian Football” (which I prefer). Hugo999 ( talk) 23:42, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Following a somewhat overlong discussion here there seems to be a need for a consensus on what to do with teams of nations that have competed under various different names and with different borders. Two examples of what has happened are the German and Russian teams.
After WW2 Germany split into East Germany, West Germany and Saarland. Saarland reunited with West Germany in the 50s and Germany reunited entirely after the fall of the Berlin Wall. As far as FIFA are concerned, Germany is the successor only of West Germany. This means that 'West Germany national football team' is a redirect to 'Germany national football team', while the East and Saarland have their own articles.
Contrast this with Russia. FIFA recognises Russia as the successor to USSR and CIS yet they each get their own page. Which is right? Serbia seems to have gone for a mixture of the two - 'FR Yugoslavia' and 'Serbia and Montenegro' both redirect there, but the larger SFR Yugoslavia has it's own page despite Serbia being the successor of all three.
I would suggest that the German position is followed- if FIFA recognises a successor for the team then the article should be a redirect to the modern team, with the predecessor's name bolded in the lead. Defunct predecessors (like East Germany) should be hatnoted if thought neccessary, and they should get a mention within the history section. If this makes the article too big then separate articles can be made, but I don't think it should be necessary. Any thoughts? Stu.W UK ( talk) 21:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
What do you guys and gals think about this article (rightfully) proposed for deletion? -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 10:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Aka the Swedish first division. Is it fully pro? Poor Morten Nielsen's notability rests on it! Stu.W UK ( talk) 00:43, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
As well as the Swedish one above, any info on whether the Swiss Challenge League is fully pro (see criteria from ChrisTheDude above)? It's come up on a couple of AfDs. Stu.W UK ( talk) 09:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
From a fanguide page from the last Euro:
which roughly translates to
So it seems to be some kind of hybrid. o.O -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 10:14, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks guys- relevant AfDs are here and here if you're interested Stu.W UK ( talk) 11:21, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to start editing the Polish football pages as they are not of the best quality. May i ask if i have the help of you guys? I'm starting with the Ekstraklasa page, and i just need to find sources on the history of the Ekstraklasa.
I think much help would be needed to 'upgrade' the pages.
thelastone36 ( talk) 14:56, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
I could've sworn this article went through an AfD a while back, but I can't find any record of it...any help? Giant Snowman 22:44, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I am going to convert all templates used in football articles which can be found here [12] to new better and more comprehensive table template Fb r. Sample of my work can be found here. Any suggestion or help would be appreciate. -- Verwolff ( talk) 11:02, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Could you please assist in keeping an eye on the Goalscorer section of Serbian Superliga 2008–09? I have removed the whole list because a) it cited absolutely no sources, thus violating WP:RS, WP:V and WP:OR and b) was incorrect as the difference between table (which was triple-checked upon its correctness) and given scorers was three goals. Because of the policy violations, I have replaced the section with a simple list based on soccerway.com data, yet one or two anon editors (which were edit warring over details earlier this week) might wish to keep the whole clutter in the article.
By the way, there are also such extensive lists at the Dutch, Belgian, Danish and Norwegian Premier League 2009|Norwegian]] articles, but in contrast to the removed Serbian version, they all cite at least one source and are correct. -- Soccer-holic I hear voices in my head... 14:47, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
This page is a really handy source for seeing which football articles are up for deletion which is auto-updated by a bot - but it hasn't been updated for a couple of days, what can we do? Giant Snowman 16:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
FYI. The alerts is no updated again. Rettetast ( talk) 22:20, 19 April 2009 (UTC)