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Could some kind soul pretty please improve my (pardon my French) piss-poor attempt at creating a career statistics table at Sean Morrison? Cheers, Giant Snowman 11:52, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Garrison Gunners and Woolpack Wanderers - are they at all notable? They're essentially little more than pub sides which people have only heard of because journalists occasionally write "novelty" pieces about how the Isles of Scilly have "the smallest league in the world". Would it be better to merge both into one article about the league, as that's what has the (marginal) notability......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 13:18, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Lots of IP vandalism following his recent erroneous penalty award. Could do with semi-protection. Am I ok to request it here rather than official channels? Seems to get a faster response here. Beve ( talk) 14:16, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
I noticed the creation of the above article, which at the moment is just an infobox, if the stats in it check out then he's notable enough for an article but it needs moving to the correct capitalisation the addition of at least a short bit of prose and checking of his appearance stats. I'd fix this myself but i'm a bit busy and i'm not sure what stub or project templates you guys would use for it so i thought it best to mention it here. Cheers Basement12 (T. C) 16:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi, what are the notability criteria for referees? Jonny Ditlefsen refereed in the Norwegian Premier League (first tier), but is up for AFD. The league itself is professional, but referees in Norway are only semi-professional. Punkmorten ( talk) 20:44, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Bit of assistance from someone in the know, please. SK Schwadorf, formerly based in Schwadorf, Austria, have just relocated to Südstadt and have been renamed Trenkwalder Admira in the process. Should the SK Schwadorf article stay as-is (minus the "current squad" section), and just create the relevant new article, or redirect to the new article and carry the contents over? - Dudesleeper / Talk 20:59, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Could I request semi-protection of Jarnail Singh ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) as well, please? (another referee under fire) Beve ( talk) 21:16, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Chelsea F.C. has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Marskell ( talk) 10:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Could someone who fully understands such things investigate why Template:National football squad player which hasn't been edited in the last month produces odd results now in pages such as this (well, pretty much any page that uses it actually). Didn't do that last week. Seems to have shunted things over a column. Perhaps one of the sub templates has made it skewy. Thanks--ClubOranje Talk 10:26, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Mattythewhite he is welsh as he plays for their U21 side so please don't undo the move. Skitzo ( talk) 17:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
no that was done because there was more then 1 english andy king, he is welsh so having that in the name is a better disambiguation, we don't need to have them all named in the same style unless there is more then 1 of the same nationality. Skitzo ( talk) 18:02, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Yes and it has in this case taking him from English to Welsh, in every other case I've seen, nationality has been the primary differentiator, so move the other 2 articles to include the word English, seeing as they are retired so their nationality isn't going to change, nor can this Andy King as he has played at U21 level. Skitzo ( talk) 20:55, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Surely this isn't notable? Peanut4 ( talk) 20:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
I have declined a speedy request for this article, apparently about a footballer who played for Burnley, Leicester City, Port Vale and Mansfield Town in the 1950s. Would anyone would like to lend a helping hand with it? -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 00:59, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Anyone from the project want to take a look before it expires......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
User 78.105.4.86 ( talk · contribs) is adding external links to the "official PFA team page" for various clubs. These club links seem to add little value, although I'd say there may be an argument for keeping the player profile and interview links that he's also added, as these seem to offer a little more info. What do people think? -- Jameboy ( talk) 14:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't feel it is necessary to have the year shown in every footballbox when the year is obvious as it is with this article, but I thought I better check here as to whether it is okay or should I change it back. Darryl.matheson ( talk) 14:46, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
-- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 14:59, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
This article seems a bit confused. It appears to be about the top division of Austrian football, called the "Bundesliga", and at the same time about the association that runs the top 2 divisions in Austrian football, apparently also called the "Bundesliga". How can this be cleared up? Dancarney ( talk) 16:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I know we normally keep grounds and leagues at their "unsponsored" names, but what about clubs? Connah's Quay Nomads have been moved to Gap Connah's Quay, should we now move Welshpool Town to their new name, Technogroup Welshpool Town? - fchd ( talk) 17:26, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm posting this here rather than the article's talk page to reach a larger audience...
According to the article (and news reports), Da Silva is a former Vasco da Gama player. However, I have not been able to find any stats on the web for this player, so my gut feeling is that he fails both WP:N and WP:FOOTYN. Does anyone know if the guy actually played for Vasco in any senior competition, or if he only was a youth/reserve player? As far as I can tell, his last club Club Estácio de Sá plays on the third tier of Brazilian football and is not a professional club (correct me if I'm wrong). No article existed before his tragic death, and as we all know, Wikipedia is not a news outlet or a memorial. So, again: does anyone know if Da Silva actually did play for Vasco in senior competition? -- Badmotorfinger ( talk) 19:04, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I've updated the code of this template after a request to incorporate Template:WPBannerMeta. Please change anything I've missed. The code is at Template:Football/sandbox with the test page at Template:Football/testcases. This will make it easier to update in the future as well when you add new task forces or subprojects, you can simply add several lines of code to incorporate a new task force. — Borgarde talk 13:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Greetings. Bit of help please, some users are removing the North American SuperLiga link from the template and shows no reason of such change. JC 07:22, 2 October 2008 (PST)
Does anyone know why Association football appears as an "unassessed" article and not a "featured" article to those users logged on and with the assessment gadget turned on? Peanut4 ( talk) 13:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Halmstads BK and its supporters are currently trying to get a new stadium built for the club, at the present it appears like one will be built, if its built Örjans Vall will be demolized and replaced by appartments, if this is to happen should the articel regarding Örjans Vall remain, deleted or rewritten?, 2 matches durring 1958 FIFA World Cup where played there. --> Halmstad, Talk to me 22:35, 2 October 2008 ( UTC)
For those that use goal.com as a source, be aware that the statistics they give for player _include_ unused substitute appearances (which we don't count!). For example, Goal.com shows Javi Varas as having Played 5 Liga and 2 UEFA (which shows they update quickly because the 2nd UEFA was today's game) but zerozero.pt clearly states he was an unused substitute in 5 Liga games and 1 UEFA game (not updated with today's game yet)--ClubOranje Talk 00:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
A few months ago someone created a page for each season of the Scottish Football League which would be fair enough if all of that information was not already on wikipedia on the seasons in Scottish football articles, in almost all cases the information has just been copied and pasted onto these newer pages ( Scottish Football League 1982-83, 1982–83 in Scottish football). To compllicate matters further pages have been created for the old Scottish Premier Division, these articles do add a lot of information but I am not sure what should be done with them how should they be categorised? for example should all articles before the current Scottish Premier League be treated the same (i.e. in the same category, template etc) or should a new cataegory and perhaps template be created for every time the top division changed name, which is not that many times but it could still be very confusing. Darryl.matheson ( talk) 15:37, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Image:Kit body blackcenterstripe.png isn't displaying properly, the only thing that can be seen in the links is a red boxed "X" with the color input, can someone familiar wth the format please fix it? 24.138.250.39 ( talk) 19:03, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Did this guy ever actually play a game for anyone of note? Also do any of the players on the {{ Honduras Squad 2007 FIFA U-17 World Cup}} template have any claim to notability, most of the articles don't seem to assert any. E P 21:43, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Over at GAC, Wizardman pointed out that Jimbo online had gone on a long wikibreak as he travelled, his GAC Curtis Woodhouse is still listed there. I was wondering what would happen here, would some adopt it and work on it if held. Thanks. Sunderland06 ( talk) 22:32, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Just thought I'd stop by. Cheers for the help guys, nice one. -- Jimbo [online] 08:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Anyone want to contribute to this discussion? -- JonBroxton ( talk) 22:50, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
See Template talk:Infobox football club#add a caption. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:39, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Before I revert this, did I miss a change in our guidelines which would result in edits like this? Not that the result isn't pretty, but it's evidently nonstandard. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:57, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Do we need to update WP:FOOTYN to include club notability? (currently it only includes player notability) I'm sure we have reached consensus on club notability in the past (for the English game at least), but I can't remember what it was. I specifically wish to know if Cleator Moor Celtic F.C. (who play in the Wearside Football League - step 7 / level 11) are notable enough for an article. -- Jameboy ( talk) 20:25, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
How can we make it so that when you do United States, instead of getting "USA," you get "United States?" I don't think that it is right that the default name be "USA," especially since the article is located at United States men's national football team and not USA men's national football team. I think the same thing could also be done for the "fbw" template as well. Most Americans refer to the team as the "U.S. (men's) national team" or the "United States," not as the "USA" or "USA (men's) national team," and I think that should be respected and/or reflected by the template. -- Grant . Alpaugh 00:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
| name alias-football = USA | link alias-football = United States {{{mw|men's}}} national soccer team
You may find that asking there for an addition to be made along the lines of the following might be useful to you -
| name alias-footballalt = United States | link alias-footballalt = United States {{{mw|men's}}} national soccer team
Please note that I only glanced over the template so have no idea if this will really work. Also note that if you do change the default, this may impact on a number of tables with respect to width etc. Nanonic ( talk) 02:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
name alias-football = USA
line from the template, and do not add anything else (especially all that "footballalt" stuff which would have no effect whatsoever). As I posted on
WT:WikiProject Flag Template, the original {{
USAf}}
and {{
USAf2}}
templates (which I obsoleted and deleted after creating {{
fb}}
) used "USA" because there was consensus here to use the same name that FIFA uses. Has consensus changed? Either way, it's trivial to change. —
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20:37, 7 October 2008 (UTC)Is Rangers F.C. Reserve and Youth squads notable enough for its own article? Surely it would be best served as a much smaller entry in the main Rangers F.C. page? •Oranje•· Talk 09:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone remember the subpage link for our list of leagues that are the benchmarks for notability? I think we should include a link to it off FOOTYN, even if it is merely a project essay, since that's the most logical place to look for it. It's in fact where I looked for it just now. (Once found, I'm going to note the precedent AfD for the Honduran league as a resource in case something else comes up in AfD). matt91486 ( talk) 22:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Can somebody with membership access to www.playerhistory.com visit this page and verify/correct details for Henrik Jørgensen (footballer)? Some of it is a bit sketchy: I only know his two league games for Dundee United in the early part of the 1994-95 season are correct. Cheers. •Oranje•· Talk 13:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Today's UEFA Cup draw appears to have sparked copycats of the AC Omonia / Daily Mirror vandalism. Best keep an eye on all UEFA Cup participants' articles. Oldelpaso ( talk) 16:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Does a player who has not made a senior league appearance but has played for the U21 national squad meet the notability criteria? JACO PLANE • 2008-10-8 23:32
To my eyes a not-very Serbian surname, anyone know if this player has any British/American blood - father, grandfather etc.? Giant Snowman 14:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Please could some uninvolved editors look into the content dispute over this article. I have reported the incivility of MarshalN20 at WP:Wikiquette over his personal attacks. I came across the edit warring between user:MarshalN20 and User:Selecciones de la Vida ( [1]) and heated dispute on the talkpage and became embroiled in the debate. Both myself and User:Marianocecowski have attempted to improve and clarify the section by removing content related to the general history of football in Peru that makes no mention of the the technique or its development, but MarshalN20 has reverted the changes and treated them as personal attacks. I have also asked him to stop including links to the article Lima Cricket and Football Club, unless he can provide reliable sources that the club had a specific role to play in the invention of the move rather than a general role in the history of Peruvian football.
Mariano summed up my feelings when he stated "There are several things that I believe should be removed and other things to improve, but I feel it would be useless to take any action if you are going to take it as a personal attack and revert it to your liking." I would continue to attempt to improve the section myself, but as nearly all of my attempts to reason with MarshalN20 have caused him to resort to personal attacks and allegations of bias and aggression against me I feel it is time to step aside and request that other members of the community atempt to improve the section. E P 23:18, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Good reader of this page. I am also in favor of an actual "Third-person" opinion on this matter in order find a reasonable solution to the problem at hand. As you can see by the above two comments, the users "English peasant" and "Selecciones de la Vida" simply want to make me look bad. Yet, as far as it goes for my defense, all that I have done is defended the Peruvian section from barbarous edits that wanted to truncate it to the most minimal amount of information. As you can see in this list of "evidences" that I provided, [2], user "English peasant" has come into the article with the main purpose of making the Peruvian section shorter (not better). As I have stated in past discussions, I have read that one of Wikipedia's policies is that this is not a "Paper Encyclopedia": [3]. Therefore, just as long as the information in the Peruvian section pertains to the topics discussed, which are the bicycle kick, the introduction of football in Peru by the English in relation to the bicycle kick, and the port of Callao, there is no reason to further truncate the Peruvian section.
Here is a good example of what "English peasant" and "Selecciones de la Vida" support. User:Marianocecowski did this edit not so long ago in the article (take a specific look at how much he deleted and what the end result was): [4]. At the end, the whole section was reduced to the statement made by Jorge Barraza. How exactly does this improve the Peruvian section?
I have been attempting to find a fair compromise to the problem with the other side, but they simply keep on attacking me and commonly point toward "Concensus" by stating that my opinion is a "minority position" and that therefore they as the "majority" and with their self-given status of "respected editors" have a right to edit the article to their liking. This is highly unfair and unethical. I have also been trying to get a third opinion on this, but thus far have proven fruitless in this situation. For instance, I contacted user "Victor12" for assistance [5] and also sought to find a review of the article in the FOOTY assessment page: [6].
English Peasant has not been a neutral editor. As you can read in my 5 points of evidence that I wrote in the bicycle kick discussion page, "English Peasant" has simply sought to make the Peruvian section shorter, pointing that the Peruvian claim was backed up by "misleading and irrelevant sources" (which is a complete falsity, further verified by User: Qwghlm), and showing a complete misunderstanding of the point of the "Attributions of Invention" section of the article.
English Peasant seems to think that the article should focus on making one point stronger than the other. For instance, he wrote to user "Mariano" the following: "Was it invented in Peru or Chile?" [7] Even though that question might sound silly, it really shows that English Peasant does not seem to understand that the place of birth of the bicycle kick is a disputed issue. Therefore, there is no concrete answer, by this point and time, to such a question as the one he asks. Some people say it was invented in Peru and some others say it was invented in Chile; and some others say it was invented in Brazil or in Italy. The whole point of the article is to present points with the strongest amount of evidence that can be found. He seems to think that every section in this article should be the same size, because for some strange reason he believes that the length of the Peruvian section makes the argument sound better than the other arguments. Yet, my stance is that instead of focusing on making the Peruvian section shorter, they should be focusing on how to make other sections larger and more accurate (and certainly better written).
Finally, both of these users accuse of being aggresive towards them. Yet, they both conveniently ignore their many provocations and equally aggressive behaviors towards me. No, I won't deny that I let my heart carry me away in parts of the discussion. In other words, I do admit that I did become aggresive in the article, and you can certainly see that by yourselves if you read the whole discussion. Yet, you must also take into account that these two users, specially user "Selecciones de la Vida," have also been as equally rude and have constantly been making pointless arguments for the sake of getting me angry. Nonetheless, after holding a discussion with User: Alexf about civility, I have completely calmed down and let my tone become less aggresive. Yet, on the contrary, User: English peasant seems to be highly frustrated and angry, and that can easily be proven by the following confession he made: "The guy is driving me up the wall, he wont address the issue I'm trying to discuss without trying to wind me up." He keeps on attacking me, and keeps on threatening me with reporting me to Wikipedia for civility and whatnot. Yet, he does not seem to understand that I already had a discussion with User: Alexf about this "civility" problem. Thereupon, this problem should no longer be seen from my part.
As a final note, please be aware that user "Selecciones de la Vida" is just as involved in the article as I am. Both of us have been discussing this issues for quite a long time by now, and he is an avid supporter of the "Chilean Claim." Now, this does not mean that whatever he says should not be taken into account. His opinion is still just as important as that of any other user. Yet, please be careful with taking his opinion as neutral. Just as I can state that I am in favor of the Peruvian claim and that my opinion should not be taken as completely neutral on this matter, you should also take note that "Selecciones de la Vida"'s opinion is not neutral and he only seeks to push forth his personal interests and beliefs in order to make the "Chilean Claim" section sound as the most reasonable.
Thank you in advance for any contributions on this matter. I repeat once again, I'm completely in favor of a fair third opinion that can devise a compromise. Remember that my stance on this matter is that the Peruvian section does not need to be further shortened. Thank you for taking the time to read this message.-- MarshalN20 ( talk) 06:18, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Problem Solved: Bicycle kick section was shortened according to suggestion by User: Number 57. User: Beve, User: Peanut4, and User: GiantSnowman also made neutral contributions to the article.-- [|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] ( talk) 16:48, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
This needs fixing Template talk:Argentina Squad 1996 Summer Olympics or deleting, I'm not sure which? It has been added to a number of articles E P 00:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Along with references and dates within the articles. Why are we using the American format? Shouldn't we be using a more international format which was set by British English? Govvy ( talk) 20:29, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
User: Beve and I agree that there is currently enough information in the Bicycle Kick article for the different origin claims of the bicycle kick. Now, you may ask yourselves why such a thing would be needed. Well, by creating the article a series of things would be improved:
Nonetheless, both of us would like to receive the approval of the Wikipedia football community before this project is continued. Also, we would need some suggestions as to what the name of the article should be. Per se, one suggestion would be to call them things such as (regarding the two major ideas): "Bycicle Kick Origin: Chile" and "Bicycle Kick Origin: Peru." I hope this receives a positive approval from the community. We will take a 24 hour no-reply as a "fly-by" that will allow us to continue, but even after that you'll be able to judge whether the article should stay or be deleted. Also, if you have any more questions that you would like to personally ask me, feel free to contact me through my talk page. Thank you for taking the time to read this message.-- [|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] ( talk) 22:16, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
I would like to know if these things are alright with the standards. I am aware that the information on the new sections currently mainly feature Peruvian people and events, but that is because those are the things that I know most about. That does not mean other Wikipedists can't come in there and expand the sections with their knowledge. I am deeply interested in your opinions because you are, without doubt, more knowledgeable on these things than me and, most importantly, you hold a sincere neutral thought on the idea. Thank you.-- [|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] ( talk) 14:03, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
What does it take for you to be WP:CIVIL during discussion. You have been advised by User:Alexf to restrain yourself from using terms such as silly person and should be past that. There's a reason you have been reported to Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts by User:English peasant. The list is open to be overly extensive and eventually to become unmanageable while also infringing NPOV. Any drastic changes should be made through consensus. Selecciones de la Vida ( talk) 21:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Stop making invalid assumptions because there were no threats made. Stop bringing up irrelevant subjects and items such as Nostradamus, lolipops, and cookies when the discussion involves consensus from neutral editors. I will report you're ongoing incivility. Selecciones de la Vida ( talk) 04:02, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
This article currently takes a rather outrageously pro-UK bias to the subject, considering that he won the most prestigious medal in the sport with Porto. Anyone interested, please help expand the section currently titled " Early career" (which includes 60% of his professional career thus far). Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 00:47, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello there, the article Emile Heskey which falls under the auspices of this Wikiproject, has come under review as part of GA Sweeps and a number of problems have been identified and listed on the talk page. If these problems have not begun to be addressed by seven days from this notice, the article will be delisted from GA and will have to go through the WP:GAN process all over again to regain its status once improvements have been made. If you have any questions, please drop me a line.-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 13:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have an opinion on whether clubs in the Ballymena & Provincial Intermediate League ( Kilbride Swifts FC, Ballynure Old Boys and Mosside FC) are notable or not? пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 12:09, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Someone with an eye for drawing may like to make the (really quite glaringly obvious) corrections to Image:Flopass3.jpg as detailed on the talk page. Knepflerle ( talk) 19:48, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
What is the consensus on "biggest defeat" on the National Teams info box? Since I seem to be in an edit war with DoddiDi ( talk), about which is the biggest defeat in the Argentina national football team article. The article had 3 biggest defeats which are as follows: Czechoslovakia 6 - 1 Argentina (Helsingborg, Sweden; 15 June 1958), Uruguay 5 - 0 Argentina (Guayaquil, Ecuador; 16 December 1959), Argentina 0 - 5 Colombia (Buenos Aires, Argentina; 5 September 1993). He believes only the 1st one merrits mention, but I think that the article shouldn't be change, since all the 3 loses have a 5 goal differential. Who is right? Bocafan76 ( talk) 23:03, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Has cropped up again: Category:Unattached football (soccer) players
Can an Administrator delete.
Recently, a succession box was added to Saitama Stadium, for its use in the final round of the AFC Champions League last year. There's a slight problem, though; since the AFC has a home/away final series, and, unlike UEFA, the final games are not chosen to be played in a specific stadium ahead of time. So, this box causes two issues in my mind – one strictly technical, and the other more of a general notability nature. First of all, none of the succession box templates seem to have a way to list coinciding stadiums. That is, there's no way in the box on Saitama Stadium to list Foolad Shahr Stadium, where half of the final round also took place. (The preceding/succeeding boxes also suffer from this, but, at least there is a workaround I think). But, as for the second issue, is the hosting of a home match for a team in the finals a worthy topic for a succession box like that? Since Luzhniki Stadium, Olympic Stadium (Athens), etc, were chosen to host a final, the inherent notability of the stadium-hosting-an-event is pretty clear cut. But, I'm not convinced that home/away series hosting is on the same level – Despite the fact that we should treat the AFC, CAF, UEFA, and all other confederations equally. I don't see this as an issue with the confederation, so much as with the way the venue is decided. Anyway, enough rambling. I'm interested to see if there are any opinions about this. Neier ( talk) 14:19, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
An IP editor has edited this article to say that the player was 2.11 (6ft 11in) tall - is this true or is it vandalism? Giant Snowman 09:29, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm currently working on this: User:ArtVandelay13/DFB, but I'm at a bit of a quandary - I don't know whether to include everyone [10], thus making the list (unmanageably?) large, or to set a critiera (20 caps), and have to omit players. I don't really want to break it up into sections either, as one sortable list is more useful. Any thoughts? ArtVandelay13 ( talk) 09:31, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi.
A user merged several teams into the main article, because some of the clubs are and always have been amateur. But there are hundreds of amateur clubs, with similar historys, and there is no thought about their notability... The user also didnt respect the GNU FDL... -- 89.56.93.122 ( talk) 21:38, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I should welcome any members of this Project interested in stadium categorisation taking a look at this page. The recent radical revision [11] appears to make the categories Category:UEFA 4 star stadiums and Category:UEFA 5 star stadiums, and the templates Template:UEFA5Star and Template:UEFA4Star redundant unless they can simply be renamed 'Category 3' and 'Elite'. I'm out of my depth and would like an expert to take a look. TerriersFan ( talk) 23:15, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
This requested move is looking like defaulting to "no consensus", but it's only had five !votes so far. I would appreciate some more comments from the more established members of this project. – Pee Jay 10:51, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Doesn't appear to have ever played professionally, but has U-20 international caps - is this notable enough......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I have been reworking articles and index pages for U-boats and have come across several links to U-20, U-18, etc. (mostly redirects to submarines) where the editor's intent is to link to age classifications in sport, often in football/soccer. Is there a single article about age classifications that I could point some of these articles to so that someone reading about a, say, U-20 league won't get redirected to German submarine U-20, an index page for German submarines? If there's an appropriate article, I'll be happy to convert some of the current U-boat redirects into disambiguation pages to help. (The German Wikipedia has an article here, but there's no link to an English-language article.) Any suggestions? — Bellhalla ( talk) 19:01, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
has just gone on loan from Leicester City to Cheltenham, so be on the look out for articles being made about him before he actually debuts and becomes notable. Skitzo ( talk) 19:54, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I have noticed that articles about national B teams follow the naming structure "[nation] B national football team". However, I do not believe that this is correct grammar/syntax/whatever. I suggest that the structure "[nation] national football B team" be used as it seems to make more sense. Opinions? – Pee Jay 19:29, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
This website appears to have moved or deleted. It was a very helpful source on Soviet-era football (in English) that is used as a reference on probably hundreds of football-related articles. Does anyone know if it moved (and where to) or whether it still exists in Russian? If it's gone, is there some way to get a cached version of the source pages so we don't have to delete all of the broken links? There aren't many alternatives (in fact, national-football-teams clearly uses KLISF as its source) if this site is really dead. Best regards. Jogurney ( talk) 04:49, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
I can't help wondering if this is a bit of a waste of time. ArtVandelay13 ( talk) 23:26, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
I have just come across some edits made by Snippysnippy11 ( talk · contribs). Following Euro 2008, he has added beautifully poetic opinions about the Croatian squad at the tournament. See for instance Vedran Ćorluka: "At UEFA Euro 2008 he was a star performer, his elegant running style and composed play accentuating his effortlessly stylish ability. ... Corluka provided assurity, quality and a virtually impenetrable wall on the right side of Croatia's defence." Or Danijel Pranjić: "His ability and willingness to get forward was a major feature of Croatia's play as he ably supported the midfield and attack with surging overlapping runs and a skillful ability to retain possession. His partnership with a blossoming Rakitic on the left side will be a cornerstone of Croatia's assault on the World Cup in South Africa." Parts of it may be copyvios of BecomeACroatiaFan.com, as evidenced by this revert. Please help clean this mess up where necessary. Aecis·(away) talk 23:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Any reason why Anthony Stokes redirects to Anthony Stokes (footballer) - an unnecessary disambiguation, surely? Giant Snowman 13:21, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Does Robinson's appearance in an FA Cup Final mean he should be the root Joe Robinson article (currently occupied by an actor-stuntman), or should the three Joe Robinsons all be linked from a central disambiguation page? - Dudesleeper / Talk 13:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Someone appears to have deleted the image that is Manchester Citys crest, I can find no discussion of this anywhere, could someone restore the file? Man City is a featured article and the removal of the crest is definatly counter productive. Paul Bradbury 15:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
An article just got speedied on a team that plays at the dizzy heights of the Southampton Saturday Football League Junior Division Seven (level 21 of the English league system, allegedly). In an attempt to contest the speedy, the creator had put on the talk page "The aim is for every team in Southampton Saturday Football League to create and maintain pages", so keep an eye out for those potentially popping up, as that wording would suggest that someone has sent a message to all teams in the league suggesting that they create articles about themselves.... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:14, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I have a feeling this has been discussed before...I personally don't like the current infobox set up, with his Arsenal career counting as 'youth years', even though he made his pro debut for Gillingham...any other thoughts? Giant Snowman 14:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I found something odd in the results table of Liga I 2008–09. When you click on three of FC Argeş' home games, articles like this or this or this pop up. I guess this is clearly not the intent of the ma parameter, is it? Hockey-holic ( talk) 18:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Please could Rob Styles be temporarily semi-protected? Beve ( talk) 23:12, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
This Italian - who became famous as a right-to-die activist - had a Scottish father (hence the unusual name) who was a player for AS Roma in the 1940s. Does anyone know who his father was? Giant Snowman 12:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
A notable club? Seems not to me. Article was created by a user whose username matches the name of the author of the book listed in the article - possible spam? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 15:25, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Could do with a hand on Alan Wiley, cheers. Beve ( talk) 20:10, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure exctly how rare this is (hat-ricks in successive matches), nor at what level it would have to be achieved to be considered noteworthy. Charlie Ide completed the feat tonight, for Wivenhoe Town, and I have noted it at his own article and on Hat-trick: fair, or am I getting carried away on behalf of my second team? Kevin McE ( talk) 23:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I notice that in most cases, break-out lists of the winners of a competition follow the naming convention "List of X Cup winners" eg List of UEFA Cup winners, however for the FA Cup it is at FA Cup Final. Should the list be moved to List of FA Cup winners, and, if so, is there a case for the article FA Cup Final to remain in place but be turned into more of an overview of the final and its traditions eg the venues, Abide With Me, 39 Steps, etc.......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:10, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Just been looking at Simon Russell's myspace, and look at where he got some of those photos from! Feel quite flaterred really, whilst also thinking "I took those bloody photos!" Mattythewhite ( talk) 19:41, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I've just created articles on two German internationals of the early 20th Century with the surname Hiller who were uncle & nephew - Arthur and Marius; does anyone know if Franz Hiller, who played in the 1970s, is another relative? Cheers, Giant Snowman 22:06, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
A head-up that there is edit warring over a prod going on at CONCACAF Champions League 2009–10. This seems to mostly be by User:SuperSonicx1986, who has been clearly advised on his talk page that the prod has been contested and that if he wishes to pursue this, he should now go to WP:AfD. He has received a 'final' warning and a final 'final' warning (as three weeks elapsed since the last one) but an IP has waded in too now. I have no opinion on whether there should be an article on this subject. The contention seems to be that there has been no official announcement of the tournament other than a statement in 1.4 on page 3 here that the tournament will be organised every year but whatever, WP:AfD is the next step not edit warring over the prod. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 00:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
I just thought I would mention that the main SuperLiga article has also been vandalized, presumably by the same person, so it might need protection, too. -- Grant . Alpaugh 22:15, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I saw that one, but he's only hit it a couple of times. I've had problems getting an admin to semi-protect the ones he has hit a couple of dozen times! However the list I submitted is now semi-protected but only for a week. Keep an eye on SuperLiga, as he might now attack that one out of frustration. Nfitz ( talk) 22:39, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I'd appreciate it if an admin could temporarily semi-protect Ronaldo's article. An IP user has been adding the same unsourced/non-notable material (career assist totals) to it for a few days now. - Dudesleeper / Talk 21:38, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
What happened here? There are now over 40 subcategories where 1 category would suffice. I thought there was a concensus against developing all of these subcategories for types of expatriates in a specific country. Am I wrong? Best regards. Jogurney ( talk) 15:41, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
It looks like it isn't working, there are sections at the top that haven't been used in a month and the newest section in the most recent archive is a month old. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 08:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Can a mod please re-create the article for Julian Valentin - the kid is finally, FINALLY making his MLS debut for LA Galaxy today. Confirmation is here [14] - thanks! -- JonBroxton ( talk) 18:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Albedo Piazzolla has been adding famous/notable player sections to articles without providing an accompanying criteria. Should I be removing the sections (as I have done to a couple of articles), or slapping a {{ Famous players}} tag at the top of the sections? I'd be inclined to do the latter if someone would actually take the time to build the list according to the criteria stated, but I don't think it is likely to happen. - Dudesleeper / Talk 18:44, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I think if a player gained international caps whilst at the club, or started his career there (and actually played for their 1st team) and went on to become a top class player after leaving, then they can be added to that list, or if they made a significant contribution to the team, ie scoring the winner in a cup final Skitzo ( talk) 09:19, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Are you people intentionally looking for problems? we are all football fans to be involved in this i presume, so we know what construes a "1st team regular", as for the Oldham example I am obviosuly going off current league status, please stop creating difficulties where there is no need to be. Skitzo ( talk) 22:42, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Going back to the start of this topic, Albedo Piazzolla is still at it. I've left several messages on their talk page, but with no response. For example, they added a list to Arminia Bielefeld of every player who'd ever been capped and played for the club, not necessarily at the same time. Any suggestions as to a course of action? Dancarney ( talk) 16:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
The peer review of North Road (stadium) is crying out for some comments. It's been listed for 11 days and only ChrisTheDude has replied. Any comments would be appreciated. The discussion can be found here. Thanks. – Pee Jay 20:28, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
I want to create an article about a former Manchester United player named Hugh Morgan, but I am unsure about how to disambiguate the article title. The subject of Hugh Morgan (footballer) is a Scottish footballer born in Lanarkshire who played for Liverpool in the early 1900s. However, the Hugh Morgan I intend to write about is also a Scottish footballer born in Lanarkshire, and he too was active in the early 1900s. Does anyone have any suggestions as to a disambiguator I can use? – Pee Jay 10:58, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I've literally just created the article for the FA Cup 1928-29, and as soon as I did, I got a message from User:CorenSearchBot regarding it being a "substantial copy of [15]". Seeing as I created the page without resorting to this site, which seems like a proxy and probably links back to this, please could someone check this and either let me know so I can tell the operator of the bot, or just tell them directly? I can't go to the link because of the internet filter at my work. Cheers. El Pollo Diablo ( Talk) 11:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
A new article on goal-line technology was started yesterday (not by myself) - it has some references and not a bad start but has some issues with world outlook (mainly UK perspective and quite recentist) and some balance problems (particularly with the list of proponents & opponents). It would be interesting to get further editors' inputs into it. Qwghlm ( talk) 12:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
someone keeps removing 4 players from the Leicester City Current squad list, the 4 players in question, may not have squad numbers but they are apart of the current Leicester City squad on their website, can you please help me keep an eye on this as they shouldn't be removed unless sold or loaned out. Skitzo ( talk) 12:10, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Someone is still removing players with no squad number, if its someone on here please state why, if not can people keep an eye on this please as all the players in the current squad section are listed in the player profiles on Leicester's website. Skitzo ( talk) 10:35, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
it appears
User:Wikinixon17 is the person removing them, can people please help me educate this user on the policies, the players are on LCFC.co.uk so they should be on here ...
Skitzo (
talk)
17:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Please can an admin protect the Hamilton Academical F.C. article; IP users keep adding a player called James Hall to the current squad, even though he isn't listed on the official website OR Soccerbase and so doesn't play for them! Regards, Giant Snowman 19:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
At what point in a club tournament's history -- I'm specifically asking in regards to the North American SuperLiga -- does it become acceptable to create an article that would consolidate into a set of wikitables all of the previous winners, top goalscorers, etc. I created a section on the tournament's main page that was subsequently updated & edited by other users after the 2008 tournament, the 2nd NA SuperLiga, was completed earlier this year, but it has since been deleted; a short discussion ensued on the talk page in regards to the tables' relevance, but only myself and one other editor were involved. Here is the archived page with tables included. If it is superfluous to include this information after only two tournaments have been played then I have no problem with it, but with limited input from users it can be difficult to attain a consensus. JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 15:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Judging by these ( 1, 2) additions to the Nottingham Forest 2008-09 season article, I think someone from the Useless Stats department at Sky Sports is a Reds fan. Worthy of inclusion? Not in my opinion. - Dudesleeper / Talk 00:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
An IP keeps adding a list of all Israelis who have transferred to European clubs to this article. I've removed it several times stating that it's unnecessary, but he keeps re-adding it (along with adding a few players to the list of Premier League players, even though they never played in the Premier League (which was established in 1999). Could someone either semi-protect the article or have a word with the IP (who has just severely vandalised my userpage too). Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 14:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Out of interest, why was it that we decided to leave association football's main category at Category:Football (soccer)? I thought the reason might have been that it would have taken a monumental effort to re-tag all of the related articles, but I don't think that the magnitude of a task should have any bearing on whether it gets performed or not. – Pee Jay 14:28, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
If a player plays for 2 different clubs at a time (By this I mean a first squad and a reserve squad), what would be the players number in the infobox? Example: Thomas Kraft, he plays for Bayern Munich (#35) and Bayern Munich II (#1). Hubschrauber729 ( talk) 21:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
clubnumber=35 ([[FC Bayern Munich|Bayern Munich]])<br />1 ([[FC Bayern Munich II|Bayern Munich II]])
" in the infobox? –
Pee
Jay
21:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Basically I want to add this picture to this article - is it possible? Giant Snowman 00:31, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Has there been any official change in numeration for the qualifying rounds for UCL 2009-10? The season article and many of the European top leagues have already been mass-changed by User:Loveeuropeanfootball, yet I didn't hear anything from UEFA of an adaptation of the current numeration. Did anyone of the community hear about it? Hockey-holic ( talk) 22:03, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Is this category Category:Serbian footballers from Bosnia and Herzegovina Overcategorization? Hubschrauber729 ( talk) 05:38, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Bruce Dyer has played one international game for Montserrat, but it was in a friendly against Ashford Town. Surely this doesn't count as a legitimate international cap? Mattythewhite ( talk) 13:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone tell me what's causing the floating 0 above the big table in List of FA Cup winners? I've been looking through the code to the point of near-blindness, but can't spot an error...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 14:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Any thoughts on this: Template_talk:Infobox_Football_biography#Change_to_management_section? ArtVandelay13 ( talk) 14:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Currently this link heads to a redirect for a trampoline move. Surely this phrase has more use in its association football sense? Fullback is already occupied by a disambiguation and I want to propose we do the same for Full Back - changing the redirect to the disambiguation. Alternatively, we could retain its use as a football term with a redirect to here or here.
On a related note – the parent article of Association football positions and its daughter article Defender (association football) seem to contain near identical information. Should the parent article be summarised a bit more? Or do others think it's fine as is? Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 12:28, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
A player who gets a articel on wikipedia needs to have played in a profesional league, wonder if there is a list, of some sort, that shows which leagues that is profesinal otherwise creating one would a good helping thing i think. --> Halmstad, Charla to moi 14:39, 5 November 2008 ( UTC)
This edit has made my night. An IP edited Ternent's article, stating "Huddersfield Town - the way he's going he aint gonna last long. He's wasted so much cash we now have a team of central midfielders". What does a registered user go and do? Slaps a {{fact}} tag on the end of it. Marvellous. - Dudesleeper / Talk 23:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I've just found out that Priestfield Stadium is going to be featured on the Main Page this coming Sunday. I'm not sure if I'll be online at all on Sunday (family commitments an' all that) so could anyone who will be around keep an eye on it for the tidal wave of vandalism that usually affects the FA of the day? Cheers!!!!! -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Please, if anyone speaks Hebrew or knows some editor that does, help with the Israel State Cup 2008-09. I've lost the contact with HonorTheKing and now the article needs to be updated and rounds need to be added. It's not that big problem yet but soon it will be. Here is the official website where you can (probably) find the necessary information. SonjiCeli ( talk) 23:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Interested editors might like to take a look at this AfD for the season article of an amateur university team. The result could have implications for football seasons. TerriersFan ( talk) 23:15, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
This page has not been updated since June 2007 - could any wonderful editors with the knowledge/patience/time (all three would be ideal!) to address this problem please do so? Pretty please? Cheers, Giant Snowman 21:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I've come accross a bit of a problem with how to present references in career statistics tables in player's articles. For example, Richard Brodie (footballer) shows three individual references for the 2008-09 season, whereas in Mark Robinson (footballer born 1981), I've grouped them together as one, as this helps save some room. Which should be the preferred option? Cheers, Mattythewhite ( talk) 16:04, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I am reviewing this article for Good Article status. User:The Rambling Man on tour, the nominator, has limited computer access. Everything in the review has been addressed except for two final points. I would work on them myself, but I'm unsure of where to find the information. If anyone can help, the review can be found here. Thanks, GaryColemanFan ( talk) 16:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
can somebody who knows how please help me correct the table at Marc_Edworthy#Career_statistics please, after adding the leicester figures it appears to have caused an error. Skitzo ( talk) 19:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
on the current England 1 there is no space for competitions like the JPT, is there another version to use and if not where do i put the players appearances in that competition? Skitzo ( talk) 00:48, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
someone from an ip keeps changing the apps in his info box for bolton to 400, this is incorrect he has made 400 apps in all comps, can you please add this to your watch lists as I'm close to the 3R rule. Skitzo ( talk) 00:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm almost certainly preaching to the converted here, but I've noticed a tendency in articles for superfluous use of the word "officially", or calling things "official" as an appeal to authority. Similarly "reportedly" and as has been pointed out before, "it was announced that". (this minor rant sparked by seeing the term "official height" on my watchlist.) Oldelpaso ( talk) 21:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that
List of goaltenders who have scored a goal in an NHL game is up for FLC. I'd never have dreamed of creating such an article a list, but having seen it I thought it may be interesting to do something similar for football 'keepers. Admittedly it could be difficult to source, depending on the scope of the list, but I thought I'd throw the idea out there for discussion. Pat Jennings, Jimmy Glass, Peter Schmeichel, Paul Robinson, Mart Poom and René Higuita all spring to mind but there must be many more. --
Jameboy (
talk)
13:38, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
There's a simple way to do it, but it takes a long time... just go through Category:Football (soccer) goalkeepers and click on each one, recording who has scored... for instance, Samir Aboud has scored twice from the penalty spot. Like I said, it'd take some time, but maybe you could enlist a chum to do it with you :-) El Pollo Diablo ( Talk) 14:25, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Rogério Ceni is the goalkeeper who scored more goals (83 goals), according to IFFHS. He certainly should be included in this list. -- Carioca ( talk) 18:24, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Brad Friedel scored once for Blackburn. I like the idea of the list, but it would need to include lists by league (and maybe only cover the top 5-10 leagues). Jogurney ( talk) 19:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Three more Brazilian goalkeepers scored goals: Bruno scored a free kick goal for Flamengo against Coronel Bolognesi, Eduardo Martini scored a goal for Avaí against Paraná Clube, and Tiago scored a goal for Portuguesa against Remo. -- Carioca ( talk) 01:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
How should we account for players like Jorge Campos who were primarily goalkeepers but also played striker? I think Campos did score a few goals while playing the goalkeeper position, but he scored most when playing as a striker (and another player was the goalkeeper). Jogurney ( talk) 05:49, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Sounds like suitable matter, but the discussion above indicates the perennial problems of recentism and profile among Anglo-phones. While the goals might all have sources, they are sources that will only be found if someone knows that there are instances to look for. I know that it is worth looking up Ian Hesford and Pat Jennings in this regard, but have we got sufficient contributors who will be able to tell us about (for example) Hungarian 3rd division instances in the 1930s? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin McE ( talk • contribs)
I'll start an article in a
sandbox page. Obviously the format is the first thing that needs to be sorted out. It might never be a complete list, but that won't stop it being a useful one.
Oldelpaso (
talk)
11:03, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I never thought that me creating a shortish list would've turned into this. :-) Maxim (talk) 22:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning that Paul Robinson (goalkeeper) and Jason Matthews (footballer) both scored a goal on the same day? -- Jimbo [online] 04:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Lots of article on clubs which have experienced financial difficulties refer to CVAs. Such a term really ought to be wikilinked so that readers can find out what one actually is (I barely understand the concept myself) but I can't find an article that's appropriate - any ideas....? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:18, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
This article was recently moved to Sead Salihovic for no apparent reason. If no one knows why this page was moved can an admin move it back to Sejad Salihović. Hubschrauber729 ( talk) 18:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure how many Tottenham or Swindon fans we have here, but if anyone could help to fill in Harry Erentz's biography about his time at either club, your assistance would be much appreciated. Even some more accurate stats would be useful. – Pee Jay 22:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I only have statistics from 1908 onwards for Tottenham Hotspur. Govvy ( talk) 23:02, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
My mistake, I do have older stuff, I could have a look when I have time. You should add 1901 FA cup final honour down for him know, Govvy ( talk) 23:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Notable or no? Article creator seems to have a COI. E P 19:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
heh, highly not notable! especially when my brother has played sunday league against them! :/ Govvy ( talk) 22:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know if playing in the third and fourth levels of Turkish football (currently the TFF Second League and TFF Third League) is sufficient to pass notability. I prod'ed several articles on the current squad members of Göztepe (a famous Turkish club now playing at the fourth level) and the author has asked if the leagues should be considered fully professional and pass WP:ATHLETE because it appears that all players even at the fourth level has professional contracts. There are over 50 clubs in the third tier and even more at the fourth tier so I suspect the paid attendances are very low and doubt that all of these players are full-time, but I'm afraid I don't know for sure. Does anyone have experience with these leagues and know whether they should be considered fully professional? Thank you in advance. Jogurney ( talk) 14:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Why is there an article just on this Qualifying group and not any other group in UEFA? IMO either all groups should have articles or none should exist. Hubschrauber729 ( talk) 09:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
This IP user consistently vandalises the Josiah Johnson page; I have warned him twice but have now reached my 3RR limit. Please can an admin protect the page? Cheers, Giant Snowman 01:13, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
The first comment at the Peer Review of this article was that it shouldn't exist in the first place - anyone else got any thoughts specifically on this.....? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:02, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Can an admin unprotect/restore this page as he now meets the criteria set at WP:ATHLETE, as he played for Arsenal in the League Cup against Wigan. -- Jimbo [online] 23:03, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Is this a genuine competition? I cannot find anything on it on Google (apart from the Copa Libertadores, which is sponsored by Toyota but is for clubs not national teams) and South American national teams are in the midst of a World Cup qualification competition right now I find it unlikely this is taking place, at a senior level. Someone with a better knowledge of the South American game may know better than me though. Qwghlm ( talk) 00:57, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
The whole Daily Mirror mistake has reared its head again - can some people give input on Talk:AC Omonia#Why was the reference to the British Media being hoaxed through this page removed?. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 14:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I just noticed that Theilert ( talk · contribs) has created a whole load of "Fooian expatriate footballers in Foo" subcategories, such as Category:Faroese expatriate footballers in Norway. He/she has also added the {{ catdiffuse}} template to a load of expatriate footballer categories, calling on users to move articles to "Fooian expatriate footballers in Foo" subcategories. He/she appears to have done so without any prior discussion here and despite the many discussions we've had over here in recent weeks and despite the lack of consensus either way. What would be the right course of action? Aecis·(away) talk 21:11, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I still want to get rid of every single category, it's rediculas that we have these categories. The British Library doesn't have categories like this for footballers! Nor does the FA database. Govvy ( talk) 22:15, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Shall we do a vote cast to see how many people want to keep or delete the whole lot of these Expatriate categories? Govvy ( talk) 14:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I have fixed the misalignment issue of hidden content for lower resolutions. Contents which can be revealed by clicking on "Show" should now be displayed correctly besides their captions. However, the fix caused an increase of space between the (now) table rows. It would be gladly appreciated if somebody more comfortable with HTML and/or CSS than me would be able to fix this. Code for testing can be found at my sandbox. Hockey-holic ( talk) 22:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Shall we change them from American year-dd-mm to dd-mm-year format? Govvy ( talk) 14:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
ISO 8601 is all Americanized. With dates, times and spelling in American based format submitted on a project to try and tell the world, this is the correct way. Well, there is also a British format which was adopted by other countries on the old British Imperial used across the old empire now known as the Commonwealth. Amazingly enough this was an International standard 120 years before ISO 8601 even existed. Govvy ( talk) 17:07, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I've proposed an update to the code and styling of {{ infobox Football biography}} (to match our other infoboxen) on template talk:infobox Football biography#Conversion to {{infobox}}. Please add any commentary there. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:13, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
To PROD or not to PROD? Perhaps even AfD? Hockey-holic ( talk) 16:06, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I dunno if this is just a case of opening a can of worms, but is it worth considering looking at some sort of guidelines on notability of leagues, especially in England? In the past I've seen articles on leagues very very low down the pyramid put up for AfD but saved pretty much solely because they're theoretically part of the
English football league system, at least according to our article on it. Sunday leagues, however, have come up at AfD and been unanimously voted out as "simply not notable". This seems a bit bizarre, as, once you get below county league level, frankly there isn't much to differentiate Saturday and Sunday leagues - they're all amateur, they all generally take place on park pitches or on hired pitches at leisure centres, and so on. The connection between small "town" leagues and the larger pyramid is incredibly tenuous at best, and is there any real difference between the
Bristol Regional Sunday Football League and the
Bristol and Avon League other than the fact that the latter takes place on Saturday not Sunday and the theoretical (but in reality non-existent) possibility that a club like Bradley Stoke Town 'A' Bideford Old Boys could, given about 20 promotions and a switch to a completely new ground, reach the
Premier League? Thoughts, anyone.........? --
ChrisTheDude (
talk)
13:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
By my reckoning, we've just reached our 100th football-based good article, which I think was Tijani Babangida. Well done all. With a fair few more nominations waiting for a review, here's to a speedy 100 more. :-) Peanut4 ( talk) 20:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I've got a history of Jesus College, Oxford which mentions a "Herbert Cyril James" as a Welsh international association football player, but I can't find him on Soccerbase. No dates are given, but from the context I'd guess that he was at Oxford some time between 1900 and 1914. Can anyone help with further details, or suggestions of where to look? Thanks, Bencherlite Talk 07:50, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
..........of a site which shows English top-flight league tables which specifically show which teams qualified for Europe by virtue of their finishing position that season? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:32, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey there, does anyone have any career stats for this player, a Canadian international who played in Scotland for St Anthonys, in England for Blackburn, QPR & South Shields, and then in North America for a number of sides...many thanks in advance! Giant Snowman 17:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Can an admin move it back to this location. I haven't seen any convincing evidence that says his name is spelt with a 'Y'. Cheers -- Jimbo [online] 02:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Forgive me in advance if this has been brought up already, but I'm too lazy to dig through the page. Anyway, why the need to elaborate on Spanish-born footballers' names in the introduction ("This is a Spanish name...")? It's a white elephant and it's not done for any other country/ethnicity. Don't see the point in it, really. sixtynine • spill it • 06:35, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I was about to create a page for Harry McGregor, who played in Dundee United's 1928-29 Second Division-winning season, and found Harry McGregor (footballer), which clearly doesn't pass notability. What's the procedure for nominating it be deleted? And from here, given I don't (yet) have the older McGregor's year of birth, how should I name his article? Both McGregors are Scottish. Heightwatcher ( talk) 10:57, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I have now moved the article about the Dundee United player to Harry McGregor (goalkeeper) and will tag the other for AfD. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 12:47, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Is this tournament a fully pro one? Hubschrauber729 ( talk) 23:15, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know who this article is about? The footballer or the illustrator? Hubschrauber729 ( talk) 05:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Don't know whether anyone's noticed, but there appears to be a new accessibility-friendly version of the footballer infobox, which has been applied on Terry Butcher, if anyone wants to take a look. There is an embryonic comment thread here, if anyone has any. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 16:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
User:Beemer69 recently shortened the article on Klaas-Jan Huntelaar ( before -- after). I am the primary author of the article in it's previous state (GA article). While I agree that the article was probably too excessive in the amount of information, I feel that the cleanup was rather excessive. I'd like to hear how others feel about the change, personally I really liked the article the way it was before Beemer69's changes. JACO PLANE • 2008-11-16 12:07
Chris' and Peanut's (last) posts share my sentiments as to why I initially reduced the article. Huntelaar has accomplished very little in his short career to warrant a lengthy 50K+-kb article like those of Henry or Beckham, and GA does not necessarily equate length. It often reads more like a promotional piece out of World Soccer than a WIki article, especially in the Profile section, over half of which is devoted to people singing Huntelaar's praises. Also, in the Career section there's an excess of proseline and unencyclopedic sports commentary such as "He continued his goal scoring form against FC Groningen and scored a bicycle kick against Heracles Almelo," and "Klaas-Jan [no first names; needs to remain informal] scored again in his second and fourth game of the season"; every goal does not need to be chronicled. The article also goes off topic a few times by talking about Ajax's domestic/European exploits or who played in a legends match. I'd axed a majority of this while attempting to keep the factual material intact, but nowadays I'd have edited with less of a bull-by-the-horns approach, and I did a full revert earlier, but the bottom line is that it needs to be reduced in size and contain a neutral point of view, while still maintaining its GA status. Some of the issues mentioned herein are present in the Fabregas article as well, but that's another story. (P.S. I'm a she by the way, Peanut.) sixtynine • spill it • 23:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
No worries about the gender, P. Anyway, you make a valid point, but it's not that KJH or whomever are undeserving of a long article; it's simply a matter of there being enough viable material for such. Bringing up Henry/Becks again, their visibility goes beyond the pitch - marketability, charity work, social issues, etc., which naturally leads to plenty of material ripe for the picking, and therefore a high-volume article. Huntelaar isn't quite there yet in that regard. We can only read so many quotes about how hard it is to contain him on defense or about his goalscoring prowess, and nearly all of the article's 88 sources are match reports, with over 60 of them in Dutch. sixtynine • spill it • 07:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Dancarney ( talk) has since shaved down the article (not as extreme as I'd done), and it looks much better now. Some minor copyediting is still needed, but that's about it. sixtynine • spill it • 05:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I think we need to reach a consensus on what this means. I would take it to mean just players who play for the full side, and not to include youth or B internationals ( Duncan Jupp, Sam Parkin, Steve Howard et al). Thoughts? Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 23:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
In England, the general consensus seems to be that if a football club has played at Step 6 or above (at present or in the past) or has particpated in the FA Cup, Trophy or Vase then it is worthy of its own article without questions being asked.
What is the view on the Welsh and Scottish League systems - What level (in both the countries) should a club have played at to be deemed notable and be allowed an article? Sarumio ( talk) 14:27, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Lots of edits to the Arsenal F.C. article about William Gallas although no official confirmation of any change to the status of his captaincy at Arsenal has been made yet. Could other editors help keep an eye on the article and revert any speculative edits? Thank you. Qwghlm ( talk) 00:26, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm at a loss what to do with players with double citizenship. Take Karim El Ahmadi for instance, a Dutch-born Moroccan footballer. Is he a Moroccan expatriate footballer? And is he an expatriate footballer in the Netherlands, when he was born and raised in the Netherlands? Can you be an expatriate in your own country? And is he a Moroccan expatriate in the Netherlands, even if he has had Dutch citizenship from birth? This is just one example, but there are many similar cases throughout Europe. Aecis·(away) talk 16:15, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
You shouldn't be expatriate if you're still a citizen of that country. That's what I argued last time and asked for a number of deletions of these categories. Govvy ( talk) 16:23, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Jogurney, it should work like that, but I've seen people add players into expatriate lists when they are in that country. I don't think everyone fully understands these categories. They can be a bit annoying to me I give you that!!! Govvy ( talk) 17:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't know about other people's views on this matter, but I think there should be some sort of movement within WikiProject Football, and its members, to change all links on Wikipedia that go to the Football (soccer) article to go to the correctly named Association football article. Although Football (soccer) redirects to Association football, I think it best to stop the redirects and make sure the links go straight to the page they're meant to (without having to endure the disgraceful soccer nomenclature).
It shouldn't be too much of a job if there are a few people in on it. There are probably people who are doing it already (I know I've changed a few).
Anyone else think this is a good idea? Craitman H. Pellegrino ( talk) 16:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Is the article Istvan Gaal (soccer player) in violation of WP:BLP or not? It calls Gaal "a terrible player" ( unsourced pov) and claims that he "was exchanged for a soccer ball" (covered by what at first glance appears to be a reliable source). It reads like a WP:HOAX. To AFD or not to AFD, that's the question. Aecis·(away) talk 12:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I just wanted to show you all this... Mattythewhite ( talk) 20:31, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have any information on the history of La Liga as I cannot seem to find any on the web, and the La Liga website doesn't appear to allow you to translate it to English. FYI this information is for this list which I hope to get to FLC eventually. Cheers NapHit ( talk) 21:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Some of the 2008–09 season articles include Round-by-Round standings tables like this (Ukraine) or this (Spain) and in a less pretty version like this (Germany) (which was added by an IP editor just minutes ago). There is also a version with Ws, Ds and Ls (Romania).
First of all, should any of these be included in articles at all? Second, if the answer is yes, where should those be put and how should they look like?
My personal opinion is that those tables are violating WP:ROC, because no one cares once a season is over on how team ABC FC did after xyz Rounds. Further, there are serious sourcing issues, because almost no data provider includes detailed rbr standings. As for the "Romanian" version, since the results tables include shading for wins, draws and losses, this information is also redundant. So, in short, I would not include any of those. However, that's only my two Eurocents, so it would be nice to get feedback from the community. Hockey-holic ( talk) 20:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I am against these, on the grounds that they take articles further down the road towards being pure statistics with negligible encyclopedic content. We have enough trouble keeping a lot of these articles the right side of WP:NOT#STATS as it is. Oldelpaso ( talk) 15:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Now that more of those (see Serie A 2008-09 and even Premier League 2008-09) come up - can we reach a consensus if those should be kept or not? The discussion above seems to end up in the middle of nowhere once again.
Again, I would not add them to the season articles, mainly because of sourcing issues. Further, if such tables are not sortable, they are, imho, violating WP:NOT#Stats as well. Hockey-holic ( talk) 19:12, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Tehee, the details of written language. ^^ Have a close look at this very part of one of my sentences:
It seems to be does not equal It is. However, the announcement of the removal of the tables might have come a little too quick; it is withdrawn hereby, at least for now.
Regarding the "one person being hell-bent to have this and that": I have to clarify that I'm not on a crusade against rbr tables, although the one or another might think this way. The use of conjunctives in my statements is just too high for that (see above). If those tables should be included in any articles, okay. But make sure that they satisfy encyclopaedic standards, e.g. sourcing. As of now, one could even say that FC Kharkiv or Reggina Calcio have led the league at one point of this time, and come through with it because the templates/other constructs do not include any sources.
Take the following stuff as proposals for improvement:
The above should be enough to get everything in line with Wikipedia policies (Again, note the conjunctive). Hockey-holic ( talk) 19:41, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
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Could some kind soul pretty please improve my (pardon my French) piss-poor attempt at creating a career statistics table at Sean Morrison? Cheers, Giant Snowman 11:52, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Garrison Gunners and Woolpack Wanderers - are they at all notable? They're essentially little more than pub sides which people have only heard of because journalists occasionally write "novelty" pieces about how the Isles of Scilly have "the smallest league in the world". Would it be better to merge both into one article about the league, as that's what has the (marginal) notability......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 13:18, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Lots of IP vandalism following his recent erroneous penalty award. Could do with semi-protection. Am I ok to request it here rather than official channels? Seems to get a faster response here. Beve ( talk) 14:16, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
I noticed the creation of the above article, which at the moment is just an infobox, if the stats in it check out then he's notable enough for an article but it needs moving to the correct capitalisation the addition of at least a short bit of prose and checking of his appearance stats. I'd fix this myself but i'm a bit busy and i'm not sure what stub or project templates you guys would use for it so i thought it best to mention it here. Cheers Basement12 (T. C) 16:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi, what are the notability criteria for referees? Jonny Ditlefsen refereed in the Norwegian Premier League (first tier), but is up for AFD. The league itself is professional, but referees in Norway are only semi-professional. Punkmorten ( talk) 20:44, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Bit of assistance from someone in the know, please. SK Schwadorf, formerly based in Schwadorf, Austria, have just relocated to Südstadt and have been renamed Trenkwalder Admira in the process. Should the SK Schwadorf article stay as-is (minus the "current squad" section), and just create the relevant new article, or redirect to the new article and carry the contents over? - Dudesleeper / Talk 20:59, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Could I request semi-protection of Jarnail Singh ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) as well, please? (another referee under fire) Beve ( talk) 21:16, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Chelsea F.C. has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Marskell ( talk) 10:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Could someone who fully understands such things investigate why Template:National football squad player which hasn't been edited in the last month produces odd results now in pages such as this (well, pretty much any page that uses it actually). Didn't do that last week. Seems to have shunted things over a column. Perhaps one of the sub templates has made it skewy. Thanks--ClubOranje Talk 10:26, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Mattythewhite he is welsh as he plays for their U21 side so please don't undo the move. Skitzo ( talk) 17:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
no that was done because there was more then 1 english andy king, he is welsh so having that in the name is a better disambiguation, we don't need to have them all named in the same style unless there is more then 1 of the same nationality. Skitzo ( talk) 18:02, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Yes and it has in this case taking him from English to Welsh, in every other case I've seen, nationality has been the primary differentiator, so move the other 2 articles to include the word English, seeing as they are retired so their nationality isn't going to change, nor can this Andy King as he has played at U21 level. Skitzo ( talk) 20:55, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Surely this isn't notable? Peanut4 ( talk) 20:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
I have declined a speedy request for this article, apparently about a footballer who played for Burnley, Leicester City, Port Vale and Mansfield Town in the 1950s. Would anyone would like to lend a helping hand with it? -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 00:59, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Anyone from the project want to take a look before it expires......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
User 78.105.4.86 ( talk · contribs) is adding external links to the "official PFA team page" for various clubs. These club links seem to add little value, although I'd say there may be an argument for keeping the player profile and interview links that he's also added, as these seem to offer a little more info. What do people think? -- Jameboy ( talk) 14:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't feel it is necessary to have the year shown in every footballbox when the year is obvious as it is with this article, but I thought I better check here as to whether it is okay or should I change it back. Darryl.matheson ( talk) 14:46, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
-- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 14:59, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
This article seems a bit confused. It appears to be about the top division of Austrian football, called the "Bundesliga", and at the same time about the association that runs the top 2 divisions in Austrian football, apparently also called the "Bundesliga". How can this be cleared up? Dancarney ( talk) 16:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I know we normally keep grounds and leagues at their "unsponsored" names, but what about clubs? Connah's Quay Nomads have been moved to Gap Connah's Quay, should we now move Welshpool Town to their new name, Technogroup Welshpool Town? - fchd ( talk) 17:26, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm posting this here rather than the article's talk page to reach a larger audience...
According to the article (and news reports), Da Silva is a former Vasco da Gama player. However, I have not been able to find any stats on the web for this player, so my gut feeling is that he fails both WP:N and WP:FOOTYN. Does anyone know if the guy actually played for Vasco in any senior competition, or if he only was a youth/reserve player? As far as I can tell, his last club Club Estácio de Sá plays on the third tier of Brazilian football and is not a professional club (correct me if I'm wrong). No article existed before his tragic death, and as we all know, Wikipedia is not a news outlet or a memorial. So, again: does anyone know if Da Silva actually did play for Vasco in senior competition? -- Badmotorfinger ( talk) 19:04, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I've updated the code of this template after a request to incorporate Template:WPBannerMeta. Please change anything I've missed. The code is at Template:Football/sandbox with the test page at Template:Football/testcases. This will make it easier to update in the future as well when you add new task forces or subprojects, you can simply add several lines of code to incorporate a new task force. — Borgarde talk 13:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Greetings. Bit of help please, some users are removing the North American SuperLiga link from the template and shows no reason of such change. JC 07:22, 2 October 2008 (PST)
Does anyone know why Association football appears as an "unassessed" article and not a "featured" article to those users logged on and with the assessment gadget turned on? Peanut4 ( talk) 13:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Halmstads BK and its supporters are currently trying to get a new stadium built for the club, at the present it appears like one will be built, if its built Örjans Vall will be demolized and replaced by appartments, if this is to happen should the articel regarding Örjans Vall remain, deleted or rewritten?, 2 matches durring 1958 FIFA World Cup where played there. --> Halmstad, Talk to me 22:35, 2 October 2008 ( UTC)
For those that use goal.com as a source, be aware that the statistics they give for player _include_ unused substitute appearances (which we don't count!). For example, Goal.com shows Javi Varas as having Played 5 Liga and 2 UEFA (which shows they update quickly because the 2nd UEFA was today's game) but zerozero.pt clearly states he was an unused substitute in 5 Liga games and 1 UEFA game (not updated with today's game yet)--ClubOranje Talk 00:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
A few months ago someone created a page for each season of the Scottish Football League which would be fair enough if all of that information was not already on wikipedia on the seasons in Scottish football articles, in almost all cases the information has just been copied and pasted onto these newer pages ( Scottish Football League 1982-83, 1982–83 in Scottish football). To compllicate matters further pages have been created for the old Scottish Premier Division, these articles do add a lot of information but I am not sure what should be done with them how should they be categorised? for example should all articles before the current Scottish Premier League be treated the same (i.e. in the same category, template etc) or should a new cataegory and perhaps template be created for every time the top division changed name, which is not that many times but it could still be very confusing. Darryl.matheson ( talk) 15:37, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Image:Kit body blackcenterstripe.png isn't displaying properly, the only thing that can be seen in the links is a red boxed "X" with the color input, can someone familiar wth the format please fix it? 24.138.250.39 ( talk) 19:03, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Did this guy ever actually play a game for anyone of note? Also do any of the players on the {{ Honduras Squad 2007 FIFA U-17 World Cup}} template have any claim to notability, most of the articles don't seem to assert any. E P 21:43, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Over at GAC, Wizardman pointed out that Jimbo online had gone on a long wikibreak as he travelled, his GAC Curtis Woodhouse is still listed there. I was wondering what would happen here, would some adopt it and work on it if held. Thanks. Sunderland06 ( talk) 22:32, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Just thought I'd stop by. Cheers for the help guys, nice one. -- Jimbo [online] 08:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Anyone want to contribute to this discussion? -- JonBroxton ( talk) 22:50, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
See Template talk:Infobox football club#add a caption. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:39, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Before I revert this, did I miss a change in our guidelines which would result in edits like this? Not that the result isn't pretty, but it's evidently nonstandard. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:57, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Do we need to update WP:FOOTYN to include club notability? (currently it only includes player notability) I'm sure we have reached consensus on club notability in the past (for the English game at least), but I can't remember what it was. I specifically wish to know if Cleator Moor Celtic F.C. (who play in the Wearside Football League - step 7 / level 11) are notable enough for an article. -- Jameboy ( talk) 20:25, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
How can we make it so that when you do United States, instead of getting "USA," you get "United States?" I don't think that it is right that the default name be "USA," especially since the article is located at United States men's national football team and not USA men's national football team. I think the same thing could also be done for the "fbw" template as well. Most Americans refer to the team as the "U.S. (men's) national team" or the "United States," not as the "USA" or "USA (men's) national team," and I think that should be respected and/or reflected by the template. -- Grant . Alpaugh 00:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
| name alias-football = USA | link alias-football = United States {{{mw|men's}}} national soccer team
You may find that asking there for an addition to be made along the lines of the following might be useful to you -
| name alias-footballalt = United States | link alias-footballalt = United States {{{mw|men's}}} national soccer team
Please note that I only glanced over the template so have no idea if this will really work. Also note that if you do change the default, this may impact on a number of tables with respect to width etc. Nanonic ( talk) 02:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
name alias-football = USA
line from the template, and do not add anything else (especially all that "footballalt" stuff which would have no effect whatsoever). As I posted on
WT:WikiProject Flag Template, the original {{
USAf}}
and {{
USAf2}}
templates (which I obsoleted and deleted after creating {{
fb}}
) used "USA" because there was consensus here to use the same name that FIFA uses. Has consensus changed? Either way, it's trivial to change. —
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20:37, 7 October 2008 (UTC)Is Rangers F.C. Reserve and Youth squads notable enough for its own article? Surely it would be best served as a much smaller entry in the main Rangers F.C. page? •Oranje•· Talk 09:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone remember the subpage link for our list of leagues that are the benchmarks for notability? I think we should include a link to it off FOOTYN, even if it is merely a project essay, since that's the most logical place to look for it. It's in fact where I looked for it just now. (Once found, I'm going to note the precedent AfD for the Honduran league as a resource in case something else comes up in AfD). matt91486 ( talk) 22:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Can somebody with membership access to www.playerhistory.com visit this page and verify/correct details for Henrik Jørgensen (footballer)? Some of it is a bit sketchy: I only know his two league games for Dundee United in the early part of the 1994-95 season are correct. Cheers. •Oranje•· Talk 13:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Today's UEFA Cup draw appears to have sparked copycats of the AC Omonia / Daily Mirror vandalism. Best keep an eye on all UEFA Cup participants' articles. Oldelpaso ( talk) 16:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Does a player who has not made a senior league appearance but has played for the U21 national squad meet the notability criteria? JACO PLANE • 2008-10-8 23:32
To my eyes a not-very Serbian surname, anyone know if this player has any British/American blood - father, grandfather etc.? Giant Snowman 14:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Please could some uninvolved editors look into the content dispute over this article. I have reported the incivility of MarshalN20 at WP:Wikiquette over his personal attacks. I came across the edit warring between user:MarshalN20 and User:Selecciones de la Vida ( [1]) and heated dispute on the talkpage and became embroiled in the debate. Both myself and User:Marianocecowski have attempted to improve and clarify the section by removing content related to the general history of football in Peru that makes no mention of the the technique or its development, but MarshalN20 has reverted the changes and treated them as personal attacks. I have also asked him to stop including links to the article Lima Cricket and Football Club, unless he can provide reliable sources that the club had a specific role to play in the invention of the move rather than a general role in the history of Peruvian football.
Mariano summed up my feelings when he stated "There are several things that I believe should be removed and other things to improve, but I feel it would be useless to take any action if you are going to take it as a personal attack and revert it to your liking." I would continue to attempt to improve the section myself, but as nearly all of my attempts to reason with MarshalN20 have caused him to resort to personal attacks and allegations of bias and aggression against me I feel it is time to step aside and request that other members of the community atempt to improve the section. E P 23:18, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Good reader of this page. I am also in favor of an actual "Third-person" opinion on this matter in order find a reasonable solution to the problem at hand. As you can see by the above two comments, the users "English peasant" and "Selecciones de la Vida" simply want to make me look bad. Yet, as far as it goes for my defense, all that I have done is defended the Peruvian section from barbarous edits that wanted to truncate it to the most minimal amount of information. As you can see in this list of "evidences" that I provided, [2], user "English peasant" has come into the article with the main purpose of making the Peruvian section shorter (not better). As I have stated in past discussions, I have read that one of Wikipedia's policies is that this is not a "Paper Encyclopedia": [3]. Therefore, just as long as the information in the Peruvian section pertains to the topics discussed, which are the bicycle kick, the introduction of football in Peru by the English in relation to the bicycle kick, and the port of Callao, there is no reason to further truncate the Peruvian section.
Here is a good example of what "English peasant" and "Selecciones de la Vida" support. User:Marianocecowski did this edit not so long ago in the article (take a specific look at how much he deleted and what the end result was): [4]. At the end, the whole section was reduced to the statement made by Jorge Barraza. How exactly does this improve the Peruvian section?
I have been attempting to find a fair compromise to the problem with the other side, but they simply keep on attacking me and commonly point toward "Concensus" by stating that my opinion is a "minority position" and that therefore they as the "majority" and with their self-given status of "respected editors" have a right to edit the article to their liking. This is highly unfair and unethical. I have also been trying to get a third opinion on this, but thus far have proven fruitless in this situation. For instance, I contacted user "Victor12" for assistance [5] and also sought to find a review of the article in the FOOTY assessment page: [6].
English Peasant has not been a neutral editor. As you can read in my 5 points of evidence that I wrote in the bicycle kick discussion page, "English Peasant" has simply sought to make the Peruvian section shorter, pointing that the Peruvian claim was backed up by "misleading and irrelevant sources" (which is a complete falsity, further verified by User: Qwghlm), and showing a complete misunderstanding of the point of the "Attributions of Invention" section of the article.
English Peasant seems to think that the article should focus on making one point stronger than the other. For instance, he wrote to user "Mariano" the following: "Was it invented in Peru or Chile?" [7] Even though that question might sound silly, it really shows that English Peasant does not seem to understand that the place of birth of the bicycle kick is a disputed issue. Therefore, there is no concrete answer, by this point and time, to such a question as the one he asks. Some people say it was invented in Peru and some others say it was invented in Chile; and some others say it was invented in Brazil or in Italy. The whole point of the article is to present points with the strongest amount of evidence that can be found. He seems to think that every section in this article should be the same size, because for some strange reason he believes that the length of the Peruvian section makes the argument sound better than the other arguments. Yet, my stance is that instead of focusing on making the Peruvian section shorter, they should be focusing on how to make other sections larger and more accurate (and certainly better written).
Finally, both of these users accuse of being aggresive towards them. Yet, they both conveniently ignore their many provocations and equally aggressive behaviors towards me. No, I won't deny that I let my heart carry me away in parts of the discussion. In other words, I do admit that I did become aggresive in the article, and you can certainly see that by yourselves if you read the whole discussion. Yet, you must also take into account that these two users, specially user "Selecciones de la Vida," have also been as equally rude and have constantly been making pointless arguments for the sake of getting me angry. Nonetheless, after holding a discussion with User: Alexf about civility, I have completely calmed down and let my tone become less aggresive. Yet, on the contrary, User: English peasant seems to be highly frustrated and angry, and that can easily be proven by the following confession he made: "The guy is driving me up the wall, he wont address the issue I'm trying to discuss without trying to wind me up." He keeps on attacking me, and keeps on threatening me with reporting me to Wikipedia for civility and whatnot. Yet, he does not seem to understand that I already had a discussion with User: Alexf about this "civility" problem. Thereupon, this problem should no longer be seen from my part.
As a final note, please be aware that user "Selecciones de la Vida" is just as involved in the article as I am. Both of us have been discussing this issues for quite a long time by now, and he is an avid supporter of the "Chilean Claim." Now, this does not mean that whatever he says should not be taken into account. His opinion is still just as important as that of any other user. Yet, please be careful with taking his opinion as neutral. Just as I can state that I am in favor of the Peruvian claim and that my opinion should not be taken as completely neutral on this matter, you should also take note that "Selecciones de la Vida"'s opinion is not neutral and he only seeks to push forth his personal interests and beliefs in order to make the "Chilean Claim" section sound as the most reasonable.
Thank you in advance for any contributions on this matter. I repeat once again, I'm completely in favor of a fair third opinion that can devise a compromise. Remember that my stance on this matter is that the Peruvian section does not need to be further shortened. Thank you for taking the time to read this message.-- MarshalN20 ( talk) 06:18, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Problem Solved: Bicycle kick section was shortened according to suggestion by User: Number 57. User: Beve, User: Peanut4, and User: GiantSnowman also made neutral contributions to the article.-- [|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] ( talk) 16:48, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
This needs fixing Template talk:Argentina Squad 1996 Summer Olympics or deleting, I'm not sure which? It has been added to a number of articles E P 00:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Along with references and dates within the articles. Why are we using the American format? Shouldn't we be using a more international format which was set by British English? Govvy ( talk) 20:29, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
User: Beve and I agree that there is currently enough information in the Bicycle Kick article for the different origin claims of the bicycle kick. Now, you may ask yourselves why such a thing would be needed. Well, by creating the article a series of things would be improved:
Nonetheless, both of us would like to receive the approval of the Wikipedia football community before this project is continued. Also, we would need some suggestions as to what the name of the article should be. Per se, one suggestion would be to call them things such as (regarding the two major ideas): "Bycicle Kick Origin: Chile" and "Bicycle Kick Origin: Peru." I hope this receives a positive approval from the community. We will take a 24 hour no-reply as a "fly-by" that will allow us to continue, but even after that you'll be able to judge whether the article should stay or be deleted. Also, if you have any more questions that you would like to personally ask me, feel free to contact me through my talk page. Thank you for taking the time to read this message.-- [|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] ( talk) 22:16, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
I would like to know if these things are alright with the standards. I am aware that the information on the new sections currently mainly feature Peruvian people and events, but that is because those are the things that I know most about. That does not mean other Wikipedists can't come in there and expand the sections with their knowledge. I am deeply interested in your opinions because you are, without doubt, more knowledgeable on these things than me and, most importantly, you hold a sincere neutral thought on the idea. Thank you.-- [|!*//MarshalN20\\*!|] ( talk) 14:03, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
What does it take for you to be WP:CIVIL during discussion. You have been advised by User:Alexf to restrain yourself from using terms such as silly person and should be past that. There's a reason you have been reported to Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts by User:English peasant. The list is open to be overly extensive and eventually to become unmanageable while also infringing NPOV. Any drastic changes should be made through consensus. Selecciones de la Vida ( talk) 21:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Stop making invalid assumptions because there were no threats made. Stop bringing up irrelevant subjects and items such as Nostradamus, lolipops, and cookies when the discussion involves consensus from neutral editors. I will report you're ongoing incivility. Selecciones de la Vida ( talk) 04:02, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
This article currently takes a rather outrageously pro-UK bias to the subject, considering that he won the most prestigious medal in the sport with Porto. Anyone interested, please help expand the section currently titled " Early career" (which includes 60% of his professional career thus far). Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 00:47, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello there, the article Emile Heskey which falls under the auspices of this Wikiproject, has come under review as part of GA Sweeps and a number of problems have been identified and listed on the talk page. If these problems have not begun to be addressed by seven days from this notice, the article will be delisted from GA and will have to go through the WP:GAN process all over again to regain its status once improvements have been made. If you have any questions, please drop me a line.-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 13:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have an opinion on whether clubs in the Ballymena & Provincial Intermediate League ( Kilbride Swifts FC, Ballynure Old Boys and Mosside FC) are notable or not? пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 12:09, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Someone with an eye for drawing may like to make the (really quite glaringly obvious) corrections to Image:Flopass3.jpg as detailed on the talk page. Knepflerle ( talk) 19:48, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
What is the consensus on "biggest defeat" on the National Teams info box? Since I seem to be in an edit war with DoddiDi ( talk), about which is the biggest defeat in the Argentina national football team article. The article had 3 biggest defeats which are as follows: Czechoslovakia 6 - 1 Argentina (Helsingborg, Sweden; 15 June 1958), Uruguay 5 - 0 Argentina (Guayaquil, Ecuador; 16 December 1959), Argentina 0 - 5 Colombia (Buenos Aires, Argentina; 5 September 1993). He believes only the 1st one merrits mention, but I think that the article shouldn't be change, since all the 3 loses have a 5 goal differential. Who is right? Bocafan76 ( talk) 23:03, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Has cropped up again: Category:Unattached football (soccer) players
Can an Administrator delete.
Recently, a succession box was added to Saitama Stadium, for its use in the final round of the AFC Champions League last year. There's a slight problem, though; since the AFC has a home/away final series, and, unlike UEFA, the final games are not chosen to be played in a specific stadium ahead of time. So, this box causes two issues in my mind – one strictly technical, and the other more of a general notability nature. First of all, none of the succession box templates seem to have a way to list coinciding stadiums. That is, there's no way in the box on Saitama Stadium to list Foolad Shahr Stadium, where half of the final round also took place. (The preceding/succeeding boxes also suffer from this, but, at least there is a workaround I think). But, as for the second issue, is the hosting of a home match for a team in the finals a worthy topic for a succession box like that? Since Luzhniki Stadium, Olympic Stadium (Athens), etc, were chosen to host a final, the inherent notability of the stadium-hosting-an-event is pretty clear cut. But, I'm not convinced that home/away series hosting is on the same level – Despite the fact that we should treat the AFC, CAF, UEFA, and all other confederations equally. I don't see this as an issue with the confederation, so much as with the way the venue is decided. Anyway, enough rambling. I'm interested to see if there are any opinions about this. Neier ( talk) 14:19, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
An IP editor has edited this article to say that the player was 2.11 (6ft 11in) tall - is this true or is it vandalism? Giant Snowman 09:29, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm currently working on this: User:ArtVandelay13/DFB, but I'm at a bit of a quandary - I don't know whether to include everyone [10], thus making the list (unmanageably?) large, or to set a critiera (20 caps), and have to omit players. I don't really want to break it up into sections either, as one sortable list is more useful. Any thoughts? ArtVandelay13 ( talk) 09:31, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi.
A user merged several teams into the main article, because some of the clubs are and always have been amateur. But there are hundreds of amateur clubs, with similar historys, and there is no thought about their notability... The user also didnt respect the GNU FDL... -- 89.56.93.122 ( talk) 21:38, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I should welcome any members of this Project interested in stadium categorisation taking a look at this page. The recent radical revision [11] appears to make the categories Category:UEFA 4 star stadiums and Category:UEFA 5 star stadiums, and the templates Template:UEFA5Star and Template:UEFA4Star redundant unless they can simply be renamed 'Category 3' and 'Elite'. I'm out of my depth and would like an expert to take a look. TerriersFan ( talk) 23:15, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
This requested move is looking like defaulting to "no consensus", but it's only had five !votes so far. I would appreciate some more comments from the more established members of this project. – Pee Jay 10:51, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Doesn't appear to have ever played professionally, but has U-20 international caps - is this notable enough......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I have been reworking articles and index pages for U-boats and have come across several links to U-20, U-18, etc. (mostly redirects to submarines) where the editor's intent is to link to age classifications in sport, often in football/soccer. Is there a single article about age classifications that I could point some of these articles to so that someone reading about a, say, U-20 league won't get redirected to German submarine U-20, an index page for German submarines? If there's an appropriate article, I'll be happy to convert some of the current U-boat redirects into disambiguation pages to help. (The German Wikipedia has an article here, but there's no link to an English-language article.) Any suggestions? — Bellhalla ( talk) 19:01, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
has just gone on loan from Leicester City to Cheltenham, so be on the look out for articles being made about him before he actually debuts and becomes notable. Skitzo ( talk) 19:54, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I have noticed that articles about national B teams follow the naming structure "[nation] B national football team". However, I do not believe that this is correct grammar/syntax/whatever. I suggest that the structure "[nation] national football B team" be used as it seems to make more sense. Opinions? – Pee Jay 19:29, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
This website appears to have moved or deleted. It was a very helpful source on Soviet-era football (in English) that is used as a reference on probably hundreds of football-related articles. Does anyone know if it moved (and where to) or whether it still exists in Russian? If it's gone, is there some way to get a cached version of the source pages so we don't have to delete all of the broken links? There aren't many alternatives (in fact, national-football-teams clearly uses KLISF as its source) if this site is really dead. Best regards. Jogurney ( talk) 04:49, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
I can't help wondering if this is a bit of a waste of time. ArtVandelay13 ( talk) 23:26, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
I have just come across some edits made by Snippysnippy11 ( talk · contribs). Following Euro 2008, he has added beautifully poetic opinions about the Croatian squad at the tournament. See for instance Vedran Ćorluka: "At UEFA Euro 2008 he was a star performer, his elegant running style and composed play accentuating his effortlessly stylish ability. ... Corluka provided assurity, quality and a virtually impenetrable wall on the right side of Croatia's defence." Or Danijel Pranjić: "His ability and willingness to get forward was a major feature of Croatia's play as he ably supported the midfield and attack with surging overlapping runs and a skillful ability to retain possession. His partnership with a blossoming Rakitic on the left side will be a cornerstone of Croatia's assault on the World Cup in South Africa." Parts of it may be copyvios of BecomeACroatiaFan.com, as evidenced by this revert. Please help clean this mess up where necessary. Aecis·(away) talk 23:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Any reason why Anthony Stokes redirects to Anthony Stokes (footballer) - an unnecessary disambiguation, surely? Giant Snowman 13:21, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Does Robinson's appearance in an FA Cup Final mean he should be the root Joe Robinson article (currently occupied by an actor-stuntman), or should the three Joe Robinsons all be linked from a central disambiguation page? - Dudesleeper / Talk 13:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Someone appears to have deleted the image that is Manchester Citys crest, I can find no discussion of this anywhere, could someone restore the file? Man City is a featured article and the removal of the crest is definatly counter productive. Paul Bradbury 15:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
An article just got speedied on a team that plays at the dizzy heights of the Southampton Saturday Football League Junior Division Seven (level 21 of the English league system, allegedly). In an attempt to contest the speedy, the creator had put on the talk page "The aim is for every team in Southampton Saturday Football League to create and maintain pages", so keep an eye out for those potentially popping up, as that wording would suggest that someone has sent a message to all teams in the league suggesting that they create articles about themselves.... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:14, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I have a feeling this has been discussed before...I personally don't like the current infobox set up, with his Arsenal career counting as 'youth years', even though he made his pro debut for Gillingham...any other thoughts? Giant Snowman 14:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I found something odd in the results table of Liga I 2008–09. When you click on three of FC Argeş' home games, articles like this or this or this pop up. I guess this is clearly not the intent of the ma parameter, is it? Hockey-holic ( talk) 18:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Please could Rob Styles be temporarily semi-protected? Beve ( talk) 23:12, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
This Italian - who became famous as a right-to-die activist - had a Scottish father (hence the unusual name) who was a player for AS Roma in the 1940s. Does anyone know who his father was? Giant Snowman 12:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
A notable club? Seems not to me. Article was created by a user whose username matches the name of the author of the book listed in the article - possible spam? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 15:25, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Could do with a hand on Alan Wiley, cheers. Beve ( talk) 20:10, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure exctly how rare this is (hat-ricks in successive matches), nor at what level it would have to be achieved to be considered noteworthy. Charlie Ide completed the feat tonight, for Wivenhoe Town, and I have noted it at his own article and on Hat-trick: fair, or am I getting carried away on behalf of my second team? Kevin McE ( talk) 23:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I notice that in most cases, break-out lists of the winners of a competition follow the naming convention "List of X Cup winners" eg List of UEFA Cup winners, however for the FA Cup it is at FA Cup Final. Should the list be moved to List of FA Cup winners, and, if so, is there a case for the article FA Cup Final to remain in place but be turned into more of an overview of the final and its traditions eg the venues, Abide With Me, 39 Steps, etc.......? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:10, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Just been looking at Simon Russell's myspace, and look at where he got some of those photos from! Feel quite flaterred really, whilst also thinking "I took those bloody photos!" Mattythewhite ( talk) 19:41, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I've just created articles on two German internationals of the early 20th Century with the surname Hiller who were uncle & nephew - Arthur and Marius; does anyone know if Franz Hiller, who played in the 1970s, is another relative? Cheers, Giant Snowman 22:06, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
A head-up that there is edit warring over a prod going on at CONCACAF Champions League 2009–10. This seems to mostly be by User:SuperSonicx1986, who has been clearly advised on his talk page that the prod has been contested and that if he wishes to pursue this, he should now go to WP:AfD. He has received a 'final' warning and a final 'final' warning (as three weeks elapsed since the last one) but an IP has waded in too now. I have no opinion on whether there should be an article on this subject. The contention seems to be that there has been no official announcement of the tournament other than a statement in 1.4 on page 3 here that the tournament will be organised every year but whatever, WP:AfD is the next step not edit warring over the prod. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 00:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
I just thought I would mention that the main SuperLiga article has also been vandalized, presumably by the same person, so it might need protection, too. -- Grant . Alpaugh 22:15, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I saw that one, but he's only hit it a couple of times. I've had problems getting an admin to semi-protect the ones he has hit a couple of dozen times! However the list I submitted is now semi-protected but only for a week. Keep an eye on SuperLiga, as he might now attack that one out of frustration. Nfitz ( talk) 22:39, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I'd appreciate it if an admin could temporarily semi-protect Ronaldo's article. An IP user has been adding the same unsourced/non-notable material (career assist totals) to it for a few days now. - Dudesleeper / Talk 21:38, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
What happened here? There are now over 40 subcategories where 1 category would suffice. I thought there was a concensus against developing all of these subcategories for types of expatriates in a specific country. Am I wrong? Best regards. Jogurney ( talk) 15:41, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
It looks like it isn't working, there are sections at the top that haven't been used in a month and the newest section in the most recent archive is a month old. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 08:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Can a mod please re-create the article for Julian Valentin - the kid is finally, FINALLY making his MLS debut for LA Galaxy today. Confirmation is here [14] - thanks! -- JonBroxton ( talk) 18:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Albedo Piazzolla has been adding famous/notable player sections to articles without providing an accompanying criteria. Should I be removing the sections (as I have done to a couple of articles), or slapping a {{ Famous players}} tag at the top of the sections? I'd be inclined to do the latter if someone would actually take the time to build the list according to the criteria stated, but I don't think it is likely to happen. - Dudesleeper / Talk 18:44, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I think if a player gained international caps whilst at the club, or started his career there (and actually played for their 1st team) and went on to become a top class player after leaving, then they can be added to that list, or if they made a significant contribution to the team, ie scoring the winner in a cup final Skitzo ( talk) 09:19, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Are you people intentionally looking for problems? we are all football fans to be involved in this i presume, so we know what construes a "1st team regular", as for the Oldham example I am obviosuly going off current league status, please stop creating difficulties where there is no need to be. Skitzo ( talk) 22:42, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Going back to the start of this topic, Albedo Piazzolla is still at it. I've left several messages on their talk page, but with no response. For example, they added a list to Arminia Bielefeld of every player who'd ever been capped and played for the club, not necessarily at the same time. Any suggestions as to a course of action? Dancarney ( talk) 16:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
The peer review of North Road (stadium) is crying out for some comments. It's been listed for 11 days and only ChrisTheDude has replied. Any comments would be appreciated. The discussion can be found here. Thanks. – Pee Jay 20:28, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
I want to create an article about a former Manchester United player named Hugh Morgan, but I am unsure about how to disambiguate the article title. The subject of Hugh Morgan (footballer) is a Scottish footballer born in Lanarkshire who played for Liverpool in the early 1900s. However, the Hugh Morgan I intend to write about is also a Scottish footballer born in Lanarkshire, and he too was active in the early 1900s. Does anyone have any suggestions as to a disambiguator I can use? – Pee Jay 10:58, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I've literally just created the article for the FA Cup 1928-29, and as soon as I did, I got a message from User:CorenSearchBot regarding it being a "substantial copy of [15]". Seeing as I created the page without resorting to this site, which seems like a proxy and probably links back to this, please could someone check this and either let me know so I can tell the operator of the bot, or just tell them directly? I can't go to the link because of the internet filter at my work. Cheers. El Pollo Diablo ( Talk) 11:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
A new article on goal-line technology was started yesterday (not by myself) - it has some references and not a bad start but has some issues with world outlook (mainly UK perspective and quite recentist) and some balance problems (particularly with the list of proponents & opponents). It would be interesting to get further editors' inputs into it. Qwghlm ( talk) 12:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
someone keeps removing 4 players from the Leicester City Current squad list, the 4 players in question, may not have squad numbers but they are apart of the current Leicester City squad on their website, can you please help me keep an eye on this as they shouldn't be removed unless sold or loaned out. Skitzo ( talk) 12:10, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Someone is still removing players with no squad number, if its someone on here please state why, if not can people keep an eye on this please as all the players in the current squad section are listed in the player profiles on Leicester's website. Skitzo ( talk) 10:35, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
it appears
User:Wikinixon17 is the person removing them, can people please help me educate this user on the policies, the players are on LCFC.co.uk so they should be on here ...
Skitzo (
talk)
17:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Please can an admin protect the Hamilton Academical F.C. article; IP users keep adding a player called James Hall to the current squad, even though he isn't listed on the official website OR Soccerbase and so doesn't play for them! Regards, Giant Snowman 19:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
At what point in a club tournament's history -- I'm specifically asking in regards to the North American SuperLiga -- does it become acceptable to create an article that would consolidate into a set of wikitables all of the previous winners, top goalscorers, etc. I created a section on the tournament's main page that was subsequently updated & edited by other users after the 2008 tournament, the 2nd NA SuperLiga, was completed earlier this year, but it has since been deleted; a short discussion ensued on the talk page in regards to the tables' relevance, but only myself and one other editor were involved. Here is the archived page with tables included. If it is superfluous to include this information after only two tournaments have been played then I have no problem with it, but with limited input from users it can be difficult to attain a consensus. JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 15:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Judging by these ( 1, 2) additions to the Nottingham Forest 2008-09 season article, I think someone from the Useless Stats department at Sky Sports is a Reds fan. Worthy of inclusion? Not in my opinion. - Dudesleeper / Talk 00:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
An IP keeps adding a list of all Israelis who have transferred to European clubs to this article. I've removed it several times stating that it's unnecessary, but he keeps re-adding it (along with adding a few players to the list of Premier League players, even though they never played in the Premier League (which was established in 1999). Could someone either semi-protect the article or have a word with the IP (who has just severely vandalised my userpage too). Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 14:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Out of interest, why was it that we decided to leave association football's main category at Category:Football (soccer)? I thought the reason might have been that it would have taken a monumental effort to re-tag all of the related articles, but I don't think that the magnitude of a task should have any bearing on whether it gets performed or not. – Pee Jay 14:28, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
If a player plays for 2 different clubs at a time (By this I mean a first squad and a reserve squad), what would be the players number in the infobox? Example: Thomas Kraft, he plays for Bayern Munich (#35) and Bayern Munich II (#1). Hubschrauber729 ( talk) 21:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
clubnumber=35 ([[FC Bayern Munich|Bayern Munich]])<br />1 ([[FC Bayern Munich II|Bayern Munich II]])
" in the infobox? –
Pee
Jay
21:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Basically I want to add this picture to this article - is it possible? Giant Snowman 00:31, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Has there been any official change in numeration for the qualifying rounds for UCL 2009-10? The season article and many of the European top leagues have already been mass-changed by User:Loveeuropeanfootball, yet I didn't hear anything from UEFA of an adaptation of the current numeration. Did anyone of the community hear about it? Hockey-holic ( talk) 22:03, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Is this category Category:Serbian footballers from Bosnia and Herzegovina Overcategorization? Hubschrauber729 ( talk) 05:38, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Bruce Dyer has played one international game for Montserrat, but it was in a friendly against Ashford Town. Surely this doesn't count as a legitimate international cap? Mattythewhite ( talk) 13:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone tell me what's causing the floating 0 above the big table in List of FA Cup winners? I've been looking through the code to the point of near-blindness, but can't spot an error...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 14:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Any thoughts on this: Template_talk:Infobox_Football_biography#Change_to_management_section? ArtVandelay13 ( talk) 14:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Currently this link heads to a redirect for a trampoline move. Surely this phrase has more use in its association football sense? Fullback is already occupied by a disambiguation and I want to propose we do the same for Full Back - changing the redirect to the disambiguation. Alternatively, we could retain its use as a football term with a redirect to here or here.
On a related note – the parent article of Association football positions and its daughter article Defender (association football) seem to contain near identical information. Should the parent article be summarised a bit more? Or do others think it's fine as is? Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 12:28, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
A player who gets a articel on wikipedia needs to have played in a profesional league, wonder if there is a list, of some sort, that shows which leagues that is profesinal otherwise creating one would a good helping thing i think. --> Halmstad, Charla to moi 14:39, 5 November 2008 ( UTC)
This edit has made my night. An IP edited Ternent's article, stating "Huddersfield Town - the way he's going he aint gonna last long. He's wasted so much cash we now have a team of central midfielders". What does a registered user go and do? Slaps a {{fact}} tag on the end of it. Marvellous. - Dudesleeper / Talk 23:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I've just found out that Priestfield Stadium is going to be featured on the Main Page this coming Sunday. I'm not sure if I'll be online at all on Sunday (family commitments an' all that) so could anyone who will be around keep an eye on it for the tidal wave of vandalism that usually affects the FA of the day? Cheers!!!!! -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Please, if anyone speaks Hebrew or knows some editor that does, help with the Israel State Cup 2008-09. I've lost the contact with HonorTheKing and now the article needs to be updated and rounds need to be added. It's not that big problem yet but soon it will be. Here is the official website where you can (probably) find the necessary information. SonjiCeli ( talk) 23:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Interested editors might like to take a look at this AfD for the season article of an amateur university team. The result could have implications for football seasons. TerriersFan ( talk) 23:15, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
This page has not been updated since June 2007 - could any wonderful editors with the knowledge/patience/time (all three would be ideal!) to address this problem please do so? Pretty please? Cheers, Giant Snowman 21:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I've come accross a bit of a problem with how to present references in career statistics tables in player's articles. For example, Richard Brodie (footballer) shows three individual references for the 2008-09 season, whereas in Mark Robinson (footballer born 1981), I've grouped them together as one, as this helps save some room. Which should be the preferred option? Cheers, Mattythewhite ( talk) 16:04, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I am reviewing this article for Good Article status. User:The Rambling Man on tour, the nominator, has limited computer access. Everything in the review has been addressed except for two final points. I would work on them myself, but I'm unsure of where to find the information. If anyone can help, the review can be found here. Thanks, GaryColemanFan ( talk) 16:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
can somebody who knows how please help me correct the table at Marc_Edworthy#Career_statistics please, after adding the leicester figures it appears to have caused an error. Skitzo ( talk) 19:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
on the current England 1 there is no space for competitions like the JPT, is there another version to use and if not where do i put the players appearances in that competition? Skitzo ( talk) 00:48, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
someone from an ip keeps changing the apps in his info box for bolton to 400, this is incorrect he has made 400 apps in all comps, can you please add this to your watch lists as I'm close to the 3R rule. Skitzo ( talk) 00:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm almost certainly preaching to the converted here, but I've noticed a tendency in articles for superfluous use of the word "officially", or calling things "official" as an appeal to authority. Similarly "reportedly" and as has been pointed out before, "it was announced that". (this minor rant sparked by seeing the term "official height" on my watchlist.) Oldelpaso ( talk) 21:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that
List of goaltenders who have scored a goal in an NHL game is up for FLC. I'd never have dreamed of creating such an article a list, but having seen it I thought it may be interesting to do something similar for football 'keepers. Admittedly it could be difficult to source, depending on the scope of the list, but I thought I'd throw the idea out there for discussion. Pat Jennings, Jimmy Glass, Peter Schmeichel, Paul Robinson, Mart Poom and René Higuita all spring to mind but there must be many more. --
Jameboy (
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13:38, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
There's a simple way to do it, but it takes a long time... just go through Category:Football (soccer) goalkeepers and click on each one, recording who has scored... for instance, Samir Aboud has scored twice from the penalty spot. Like I said, it'd take some time, but maybe you could enlist a chum to do it with you :-) El Pollo Diablo ( Talk) 14:25, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Rogério Ceni is the goalkeeper who scored more goals (83 goals), according to IFFHS. He certainly should be included in this list. -- Carioca ( talk) 18:24, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Brad Friedel scored once for Blackburn. I like the idea of the list, but it would need to include lists by league (and maybe only cover the top 5-10 leagues). Jogurney ( talk) 19:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Three more Brazilian goalkeepers scored goals: Bruno scored a free kick goal for Flamengo against Coronel Bolognesi, Eduardo Martini scored a goal for Avaí against Paraná Clube, and Tiago scored a goal for Portuguesa against Remo. -- Carioca ( talk) 01:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
How should we account for players like Jorge Campos who were primarily goalkeepers but also played striker? I think Campos did score a few goals while playing the goalkeeper position, but he scored most when playing as a striker (and another player was the goalkeeper). Jogurney ( talk) 05:49, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Sounds like suitable matter, but the discussion above indicates the perennial problems of recentism and profile among Anglo-phones. While the goals might all have sources, they are sources that will only be found if someone knows that there are instances to look for. I know that it is worth looking up Ian Hesford and Pat Jennings in this regard, but have we got sufficient contributors who will be able to tell us about (for example) Hungarian 3rd division instances in the 1930s? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin McE ( talk • contribs)
I'll start an article in a
sandbox page. Obviously the format is the first thing that needs to be sorted out. It might never be a complete list, but that won't stop it being a useful one.
Oldelpaso (
talk)
11:03, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I never thought that me creating a shortish list would've turned into this. :-) Maxim (talk) 22:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning that Paul Robinson (goalkeeper) and Jason Matthews (footballer) both scored a goal on the same day? -- Jimbo [online] 04:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Lots of article on clubs which have experienced financial difficulties refer to CVAs. Such a term really ought to be wikilinked so that readers can find out what one actually is (I barely understand the concept myself) but I can't find an article that's appropriate - any ideas....? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:18, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
This article was recently moved to Sead Salihovic for no apparent reason. If no one knows why this page was moved can an admin move it back to Sejad Salihović. Hubschrauber729 ( talk) 18:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure how many Tottenham or Swindon fans we have here, but if anyone could help to fill in Harry Erentz's biography about his time at either club, your assistance would be much appreciated. Even some more accurate stats would be useful. – Pee Jay 22:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I only have statistics from 1908 onwards for Tottenham Hotspur. Govvy ( talk) 23:02, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
My mistake, I do have older stuff, I could have a look when I have time. You should add 1901 FA cup final honour down for him know, Govvy ( talk) 23:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Notable or no? Article creator seems to have a COI. E P 19:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
heh, highly not notable! especially when my brother has played sunday league against them! :/ Govvy ( talk) 22:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know if playing in the third and fourth levels of Turkish football (currently the TFF Second League and TFF Third League) is sufficient to pass notability. I prod'ed several articles on the current squad members of Göztepe (a famous Turkish club now playing at the fourth level) and the author has asked if the leagues should be considered fully professional and pass WP:ATHLETE because it appears that all players even at the fourth level has professional contracts. There are over 50 clubs in the third tier and even more at the fourth tier so I suspect the paid attendances are very low and doubt that all of these players are full-time, but I'm afraid I don't know for sure. Does anyone have experience with these leagues and know whether they should be considered fully professional? Thank you in advance. Jogurney ( talk) 14:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Why is there an article just on this Qualifying group and not any other group in UEFA? IMO either all groups should have articles or none should exist. Hubschrauber729 ( talk) 09:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
This IP user consistently vandalises the Josiah Johnson page; I have warned him twice but have now reached my 3RR limit. Please can an admin protect the page? Cheers, Giant Snowman 01:13, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
The first comment at the Peer Review of this article was that it shouldn't exist in the first place - anyone else got any thoughts specifically on this.....? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:02, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Can an admin unprotect/restore this page as he now meets the criteria set at WP:ATHLETE, as he played for Arsenal in the League Cup against Wigan. -- Jimbo [online] 23:03, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Is this a genuine competition? I cannot find anything on it on Google (apart from the Copa Libertadores, which is sponsored by Toyota but is for clubs not national teams) and South American national teams are in the midst of a World Cup qualification competition right now I find it unlikely this is taking place, at a senior level. Someone with a better knowledge of the South American game may know better than me though. Qwghlm ( talk) 00:57, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
The whole Daily Mirror mistake has reared its head again - can some people give input on Talk:AC Omonia#Why was the reference to the British Media being hoaxed through this page removed?. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 14:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I just noticed that Theilert ( talk · contribs) has created a whole load of "Fooian expatriate footballers in Foo" subcategories, such as Category:Faroese expatriate footballers in Norway. He/she has also added the {{ catdiffuse}} template to a load of expatriate footballer categories, calling on users to move articles to "Fooian expatriate footballers in Foo" subcategories. He/she appears to have done so without any prior discussion here and despite the many discussions we've had over here in recent weeks and despite the lack of consensus either way. What would be the right course of action? Aecis·(away) talk 21:11, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I still want to get rid of every single category, it's rediculas that we have these categories. The British Library doesn't have categories like this for footballers! Nor does the FA database. Govvy ( talk) 22:15, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Shall we do a vote cast to see how many people want to keep or delete the whole lot of these Expatriate categories? Govvy ( talk) 14:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I have fixed the misalignment issue of hidden content for lower resolutions. Contents which can be revealed by clicking on "Show" should now be displayed correctly besides their captions. However, the fix caused an increase of space between the (now) table rows. It would be gladly appreciated if somebody more comfortable with HTML and/or CSS than me would be able to fix this. Code for testing can be found at my sandbox. Hockey-holic ( talk) 22:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Shall we change them from American year-dd-mm to dd-mm-year format? Govvy ( talk) 14:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
ISO 8601 is all Americanized. With dates, times and spelling in American based format submitted on a project to try and tell the world, this is the correct way. Well, there is also a British format which was adopted by other countries on the old British Imperial used across the old empire now known as the Commonwealth. Amazingly enough this was an International standard 120 years before ISO 8601 even existed. Govvy ( talk) 17:07, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I've proposed an update to the code and styling of {{ infobox Football biography}} (to match our other infoboxen) on template talk:infobox Football biography#Conversion to {{infobox}}. Please add any commentary there. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:13, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
To PROD or not to PROD? Perhaps even AfD? Hockey-holic ( talk) 16:06, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I dunno if this is just a case of opening a can of worms, but is it worth considering looking at some sort of guidelines on notability of leagues, especially in England? In the past I've seen articles on leagues very very low down the pyramid put up for AfD but saved pretty much solely because they're theoretically part of the
English football league system, at least according to our article on it. Sunday leagues, however, have come up at AfD and been unanimously voted out as "simply not notable". This seems a bit bizarre, as, once you get below county league level, frankly there isn't much to differentiate Saturday and Sunday leagues - they're all amateur, they all generally take place on park pitches or on hired pitches at leisure centres, and so on. The connection between small "town" leagues and the larger pyramid is incredibly tenuous at best, and is there any real difference between the
Bristol Regional Sunday Football League and the
Bristol and Avon League other than the fact that the latter takes place on Saturday not Sunday and the theoretical (but in reality non-existent) possibility that a club like Bradley Stoke Town 'A' Bideford Old Boys could, given about 20 promotions and a switch to a completely new ground, reach the
Premier League? Thoughts, anyone.........? --
ChrisTheDude (
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13:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
By my reckoning, we've just reached our 100th football-based good article, which I think was Tijani Babangida. Well done all. With a fair few more nominations waiting for a review, here's to a speedy 100 more. :-) Peanut4 ( talk) 20:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I've got a history of Jesus College, Oxford which mentions a "Herbert Cyril James" as a Welsh international association football player, but I can't find him on Soccerbase. No dates are given, but from the context I'd guess that he was at Oxford some time between 1900 and 1914. Can anyone help with further details, or suggestions of where to look? Thanks, Bencherlite Talk 07:50, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
..........of a site which shows English top-flight league tables which specifically show which teams qualified for Europe by virtue of their finishing position that season? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:32, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey there, does anyone have any career stats for this player, a Canadian international who played in Scotland for St Anthonys, in England for Blackburn, QPR & South Shields, and then in North America for a number of sides...many thanks in advance! Giant Snowman 17:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Can an admin move it back to this location. I haven't seen any convincing evidence that says his name is spelt with a 'Y'. Cheers -- Jimbo [online] 02:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Forgive me in advance if this has been brought up already, but I'm too lazy to dig through the page. Anyway, why the need to elaborate on Spanish-born footballers' names in the introduction ("This is a Spanish name...")? It's a white elephant and it's not done for any other country/ethnicity. Don't see the point in it, really. sixtynine • spill it • 06:35, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I was about to create a page for Harry McGregor, who played in Dundee United's 1928-29 Second Division-winning season, and found Harry McGregor (footballer), which clearly doesn't pass notability. What's the procedure for nominating it be deleted? And from here, given I don't (yet) have the older McGregor's year of birth, how should I name his article? Both McGregors are Scottish. Heightwatcher ( talk) 10:57, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I have now moved the article about the Dundee United player to Harry McGregor (goalkeeper) and will tag the other for AfD. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 12:47, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Is this tournament a fully pro one? Hubschrauber729 ( talk) 23:15, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know who this article is about? The footballer or the illustrator? Hubschrauber729 ( talk) 05:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Don't know whether anyone's noticed, but there appears to be a new accessibility-friendly version of the footballer infobox, which has been applied on Terry Butcher, if anyone wants to take a look. There is an embryonic comment thread here, if anyone has any. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 16:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
User:Beemer69 recently shortened the article on Klaas-Jan Huntelaar ( before -- after). I am the primary author of the article in it's previous state (GA article). While I agree that the article was probably too excessive in the amount of information, I feel that the cleanup was rather excessive. I'd like to hear how others feel about the change, personally I really liked the article the way it was before Beemer69's changes. JACO PLANE • 2008-11-16 12:07
Chris' and Peanut's (last) posts share my sentiments as to why I initially reduced the article. Huntelaar has accomplished very little in his short career to warrant a lengthy 50K+-kb article like those of Henry or Beckham, and GA does not necessarily equate length. It often reads more like a promotional piece out of World Soccer than a WIki article, especially in the Profile section, over half of which is devoted to people singing Huntelaar's praises. Also, in the Career section there's an excess of proseline and unencyclopedic sports commentary such as "He continued his goal scoring form against FC Groningen and scored a bicycle kick against Heracles Almelo," and "Klaas-Jan [no first names; needs to remain informal] scored again in his second and fourth game of the season"; every goal does not need to be chronicled. The article also goes off topic a few times by talking about Ajax's domestic/European exploits or who played in a legends match. I'd axed a majority of this while attempting to keep the factual material intact, but nowadays I'd have edited with less of a bull-by-the-horns approach, and I did a full revert earlier, but the bottom line is that it needs to be reduced in size and contain a neutral point of view, while still maintaining its GA status. Some of the issues mentioned herein are present in the Fabregas article as well, but that's another story. (P.S. I'm a she by the way, Peanut.) sixtynine • spill it • 23:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
No worries about the gender, P. Anyway, you make a valid point, but it's not that KJH or whomever are undeserving of a long article; it's simply a matter of there being enough viable material for such. Bringing up Henry/Becks again, their visibility goes beyond the pitch - marketability, charity work, social issues, etc., which naturally leads to plenty of material ripe for the picking, and therefore a high-volume article. Huntelaar isn't quite there yet in that regard. We can only read so many quotes about how hard it is to contain him on defense or about his goalscoring prowess, and nearly all of the article's 88 sources are match reports, with over 60 of them in Dutch. sixtynine • spill it • 07:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Dancarney ( talk) has since shaved down the article (not as extreme as I'd done), and it looks much better now. Some minor copyediting is still needed, but that's about it. sixtynine • spill it • 05:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I think we need to reach a consensus on what this means. I would take it to mean just players who play for the full side, and not to include youth or B internationals ( Duncan Jupp, Sam Parkin, Steve Howard et al). Thoughts? Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 23:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
In England, the general consensus seems to be that if a football club has played at Step 6 or above (at present or in the past) or has particpated in the FA Cup, Trophy or Vase then it is worthy of its own article without questions being asked.
What is the view on the Welsh and Scottish League systems - What level (in both the countries) should a club have played at to be deemed notable and be allowed an article? Sarumio ( talk) 14:27, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Lots of edits to the Arsenal F.C. article about William Gallas although no official confirmation of any change to the status of his captaincy at Arsenal has been made yet. Could other editors help keep an eye on the article and revert any speculative edits? Thank you. Qwghlm ( talk) 00:26, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm at a loss what to do with players with double citizenship. Take Karim El Ahmadi for instance, a Dutch-born Moroccan footballer. Is he a Moroccan expatriate footballer? And is he an expatriate footballer in the Netherlands, when he was born and raised in the Netherlands? Can you be an expatriate in your own country? And is he a Moroccan expatriate in the Netherlands, even if he has had Dutch citizenship from birth? This is just one example, but there are many similar cases throughout Europe. Aecis·(away) talk 16:15, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
You shouldn't be expatriate if you're still a citizen of that country. That's what I argued last time and asked for a number of deletions of these categories. Govvy ( talk) 16:23, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Jogurney, it should work like that, but I've seen people add players into expatriate lists when they are in that country. I don't think everyone fully understands these categories. They can be a bit annoying to me I give you that!!! Govvy ( talk) 17:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't know about other people's views on this matter, but I think there should be some sort of movement within WikiProject Football, and its members, to change all links on Wikipedia that go to the Football (soccer) article to go to the correctly named Association football article. Although Football (soccer) redirects to Association football, I think it best to stop the redirects and make sure the links go straight to the page they're meant to (without having to endure the disgraceful soccer nomenclature).
It shouldn't be too much of a job if there are a few people in on it. There are probably people who are doing it already (I know I've changed a few).
Anyone else think this is a good idea? Craitman H. Pellegrino ( talk) 16:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Is the article Istvan Gaal (soccer player) in violation of WP:BLP or not? It calls Gaal "a terrible player" ( unsourced pov) and claims that he "was exchanged for a soccer ball" (covered by what at first glance appears to be a reliable source). It reads like a WP:HOAX. To AFD or not to AFD, that's the question. Aecis·(away) talk 12:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I just wanted to show you all this... Mattythewhite ( talk) 20:31, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have any information on the history of La Liga as I cannot seem to find any on the web, and the La Liga website doesn't appear to allow you to translate it to English. FYI this information is for this list which I hope to get to FLC eventually. Cheers NapHit ( talk) 21:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Some of the 2008–09 season articles include Round-by-Round standings tables like this (Ukraine) or this (Spain) and in a less pretty version like this (Germany) (which was added by an IP editor just minutes ago). There is also a version with Ws, Ds and Ls (Romania).
First of all, should any of these be included in articles at all? Second, if the answer is yes, where should those be put and how should they look like?
My personal opinion is that those tables are violating WP:ROC, because no one cares once a season is over on how team ABC FC did after xyz Rounds. Further, there are serious sourcing issues, because almost no data provider includes detailed rbr standings. As for the "Romanian" version, since the results tables include shading for wins, draws and losses, this information is also redundant. So, in short, I would not include any of those. However, that's only my two Eurocents, so it would be nice to get feedback from the community. Hockey-holic ( talk) 20:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I am against these, on the grounds that they take articles further down the road towards being pure statistics with negligible encyclopedic content. We have enough trouble keeping a lot of these articles the right side of WP:NOT#STATS as it is. Oldelpaso ( talk) 15:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Now that more of those (see Serie A 2008-09 and even Premier League 2008-09) come up - can we reach a consensus if those should be kept or not? The discussion above seems to end up in the middle of nowhere once again.
Again, I would not add them to the season articles, mainly because of sourcing issues. Further, if such tables are not sortable, they are, imho, violating WP:NOT#Stats as well. Hockey-holic ( talk) 19:12, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Tehee, the details of written language. ^^ Have a close look at this very part of one of my sentences:
It seems to be does not equal It is. However, the announcement of the removal of the tables might have come a little too quick; it is withdrawn hereby, at least for now.
Regarding the "one person being hell-bent to have this and that": I have to clarify that I'm not on a crusade against rbr tables, although the one or another might think this way. The use of conjunctives in my statements is just too high for that (see above). If those tables should be included in any articles, okay. But make sure that they satisfy encyclopaedic standards, e.g. sourcing. As of now, one could even say that FC Kharkiv or Reggina Calcio have led the league at one point of this time, and come through with it because the templates/other constructs do not include any sources.
Take the following stuff as proposals for improvement:
The above should be enough to get everything in line with Wikipedia policies (Again, note the conjunctive). Hockey-holic ( talk) 19:41, 18 November 2008 (UTC)