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In 2022 AFC Cup qualifying play-offs, for Athletic 220 v Lee Man match, the original is Lee Man v Athletic 220. However, for some reasons, the host was reversed. So I think we should write
Play-off round | ||
Athletic 220 | ||
Lee Man | ||
. However,
Anbans 585 contested and said No the order of the leg has not been reversed. This is evident from the order in the official match sources. Instead we should add a citation on why the match is not being held on the home team's ground. So far I have not been able to find any citation which either states change in order of leg, or change in venue.
. So what do you think?
Play-off round | ||
Athletic 220 | ||
Lee Man | ||
Play-off round | ||
Lee Man | ||
Athletic 220 | ||
Hhkohh ( talk) 14:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
@ Hhkohh: Have added a note which explains why the match is being played at the away team's venue. Hadn't added it earlier, as I was not able to find a citation. Have found it now.-- Anbans 585 ( talk) 16:02, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Ronaldo has five sons. I've written this sentence without including the son unfortunatley dead as Ronaldo currently has 5 sons. Some IPs think I'm wrong. Should the dead boy be included in the count? Dr Salvus 21:33, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Each site has its way of attributing a player an assist to a teammate which could be different from any other. For example a site might attribute a player an assist while other don't do so all. For example, if I'm not mistaken, Vlahovic's goal against Cagliari about one week ago had no assist for some sites while for other sites, he was assisted by Dybala. Should the number of assists be shown in the prose? Dr Salvus 11:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
I was trying to de-orphan an article ran into a problem with two players, Seiya Katakura and Seiya Kitakura. Since the names are so close, I looked into it further: the prose of both stubs indicates an identical birthdate and club, so I suspect they are the same player. The source for the first (Soccerway) indicates that would be the correct name for the player (the second is also cited with a single source, but in Japanese, which I can't read). Should the articles be merged, and if so, with what name? Perfect4th ( talk) 17:44, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
As of 19th April 2022 at 3PM BST, the league table on the article "2021-22 EFL League One" states that Rotherham United and Milton Keynes Dons have secured at least a play-off spot but could still secure automatic promotion. As far as I'm aware, neither club have secured either a play-off spot nor automatic promotion. Can someone tell me how they've secured at least a play-off spot or correct the table? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amanofpolitics ( talk • contribs) 14:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
So I'm having a bit of a disagreement with YangerAAS and Taeguk who want the fourth place in tables to be coloured (Some have used light blue and some have used yellow/lemon as well). As per these edits here, here and here. My feeling is that fourth place isn't a medal (Honour) and shouldn't be coloured, only 1st, 2nd and 3rd. I couldn't see any prior discussion on this but thought there must have been some consensus on it before?— NZFC (talk) (cont) 21:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
I have not invented this rule. Since I started looking at national team articles on Wikipedia I have seen both bold and color for Fourth place. Taeguk ( talk) 08:35, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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So a deletion discussion about an All White with 16 caps and 5 goals not being notable, turned into a discussion on whether UltimateNZSoccer is a reliable source. It is on WP:WPFLINKS and was fine until BilledMammal said it was a self-published source and can't be used for BLP articles. The thing is, the website is run by Jeremy Ruane who is a NZ Football historian, it is actually more accurate that even using NZ Football website previously for information and Ruane himself is a journalist. He has won awards for his work, linked by Te Ara - The Encyclopaedia of New Zealand which is run by New Zealand Ministry for Culture and Heritage. Lastly he is quite often quoted or referenced in Newspapers Jeremy Ruane, a New Zealand women's football journalist and Ultimate NZ Soccer website editor and renowned Kiwi football historian Jeremy Ruane. I know I'm biased on this but I'm trying to save a good source that is currently used not only in a lot of Club/Season articles but alot of New Zealand Football BLPs as well.— NZFC (talk) (cont) 21:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
I also disagree with having the discussion here first; we need input from editors more experienced with BLP rules.It's a discussion about football/soccer, so worth having here, the place with the most knowledgeable editors about football. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 14:57, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
The issue isn't whether it is reliable, it is whether it is self published.To help me understand the scope of the discussion when I take this to RSN, do you disagree with the claim that the source is self-published, or do you disagree with the claim that self-published sources are not allowed to be used on BLP's? BilledMammal ( talk) 03:29, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
BilledMammal shouting that sources aren't reliable. BilledMammal ( talk) 06:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Never use self-published sources—including but not limited to books, zines, websites, blogs, and tweets—as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article.BilledMammal ( talk) 11:07, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
The issue isn't whether it is reliable, it is whether it is self published.However, based on comments like yours and Joseph2302's, I don't believe further discussion here will be productive; I've opened the discussion on RSN, and will now step back from this topic and let uninvolved editors discuss. BilledMammal ( talk) 14:20, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi. I updated Federico Piovaccari and the infobox said than he played 8 (5 goals) matches for Italy U-23, no source, even FIGC, Soccerway ( WikiProject Football/Archive 153 at Soccerway) or Worldfootball ( WikiProject Football/Archive 153 at WorldFootball.net) i can't find any source. The Italian Wiki only has and interview with no more details ( [5]). So, Piovaccari played the 2005 Mediterranean Games with Italy U-23, a non-official tournament. My question is, it's ok to add Italy U-23 section in the infobox?. Greetings. Pincheira22 ( talk) 21:36, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
If Juve Primavera reach the final of the Youth League, I'd like to create an article about the match. I believe the Italian websites will give a big coverage if this happens. Could the article be notable? Dr Salvus 09:08, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone know of a resource for KNVB Cup appearances and goals, for around 1989 to 2002? I've made a career stats table for Erik ten Hag, and all that's missing is KNVB Cup data. Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 23:20, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Ben Collins (soccer, born 2000) was created on 7 December 2021 by Simione001 and today Benjamin Collins (Australian soccer) was created by FastCube. Wasn't sure how to request it, so bringing up here - can we do a histmerge between them and what name should the article be under? Ben Collins seems to me the more common name (some sources: WUFC, FTBL, Star Weekly, Inner Sanctum contract, Inner Sanctum NPL season, WUFC again, WUFC captaincy, WUFC NPL squad) and on the other hand can't find any news about Benjamin Collins. -- SuperJew ( talk) 16:24, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
I have merged at Ben Collins (soccer, born 2000). Giant Snowman 06:30, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi. You may or may not be interested in these discussions, and this thread at WP:AN. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Today, he's first been called-up by Juve U23 after a eight month-injury. He last played for Juve U19 in June 2021. If he plays today, will I put 2021 or 2022 in his timestamp with Juve Youth? He's never played for Juve U19 this season at all. Dr Salvus 10:43, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Team information | |||
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Current team | Juventus U23 | ||
Number | 30 | ||
Youth career | |||
–2021 | Juventus | ||
2019–2020 | → Bologna (loan) | ||
2020–2021 | → Monza (loan) | ||
Senior career* | |||
Years | Team | Apps | ( Gls) |
2021– | Juventus U23 | 1 | (0) |
*Club domestic league appearances and goals |
I have to create an infobox kit template for this shirt.... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 10:59, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
I noticed this article about a Premier League footballer has been massively neglected. There is no written prose except for the lead section, with nothing on his life or his career. The stats table is also not updated as of writing this comment (I will take care of that), and overall it really is surprising that an article about a Premier League player has been neglected this badly. I don't know if there are any more articles like this, but it really is something we as editors need to watch out for more often. ArsenalGhanaPartey ( talk) 23:17, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Have there ever been any articles on a footballer who's played at senior levels since no more than two years getting GA status? Dr Salvus 11:39, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
I am somewhat confused, but how many articles are there? I've stacked three little articles to one AfD, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1962 FIFA World Cup qualification (CONMEBOL – Group 3) because all the information is already on 1962 FIFA World Cup qualification, so I really don't get the multiple smaller articles with the same information. I wanted to include more if you look at the AfD history. What do people think? Should these also be bundled in?
?? Govvy ( talk) 09:31, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
They're three Juventus U23's players who have played today in the lost semifinal of the Youth League. During Youth League matches, they passed from the U23 to U19 team. Do I write what they've done with Juve U19 this season in the "youth career" section or in another section? They've all made more than 25 professional matches this season so they're not youth players. Dr Salvus 14:23, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
When this season finishes, I'd like to add their number of games and goals for Juve U19 both specifically for the Youth League and for every competition. Would it be worth it though to have two types of statistics in the prose? Dr Salvus 20:29, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frank Bradshaw, an England international, and many others by the same nominator. Seasider53 ( talk) 22:16, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
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The ridicolous format of this competition (nothing like the spectatular FA Cup or the Coupe de France) features a bracket whose positions are determinated by teams' league placements. The title holders are in Spot 1, the team who win Serie A are in Spot 2, the team who come 2nd are in Spot 3, the teams who win Serie B are in Spot 22 etc... This does mean we arleady know the fixtures even though no source confirms the games. Can we put the matches when the fixtures haven't been officialised yet? Dr Salvus 18:32, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Can projects ignore manuals of style. Giant Snowman 07:52, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
I am trying to find sources about Thomas Green (footballer) (born 1883) and was told there might be some coverage on him in the books Swindon Town: The Register 1895-2015: An A-Z of Every First Team Player and QPR Player by Player. Is there anyone here who has access to these books and can check? Alvaldi ( talk) 11:53, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Hello! I used to be a contributor to WP:Footy way back. I have a question about the guidelines for inclusions of players to squad templates. Recently I added Marc Pubill to the squad template of UD Levante since he's broken through to the first team during the spring. I'm thinking that squad templates are for easy navigating between relevant articles, in this case current players involved with the first team. However, user:BrazilianDude70 reverted the edits with two competing explanations of wich neither is great: first he says that the player is not officially registered with the A team. While that's true, that's also true of Daniel Cárdenas (the current number 1 goalkeeper) and Alejandro Cantero. It seems strange that the goalkeeper that has played the most number of games for the first team and who has been the undisputed starter for more than half f it shouldn't be included on the template. The other argument is that the player isn't listed for the first team on the Levante OWS. It seems strange to me that decisions on who to include on squad templates or squad lists should be decided by whoever runs the website for the team. Some club websites are very poorly updated. I'd be thankful for clarification of the wiki guidelines on this matter.-- Sebisthlm ( talk) 23:08, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Every player that appear a single minute for the first team might then be included in the template: what's the issue with this? Nehme 1499 16:22, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
At the start of each season, when the club releases their squad numbers or first-team list or whatever, that is what the squad template should reflect. over the course of the season, if players get squad numbers but don't play then consider adding them (case-by-case basis) - and if they make a first-team debut then definitely add them. Giant Snowman 20:52, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
Not all clubs have official websites, let alone an up to date section of first team players. As Dr Salvus noted above, Juventus arbitrarily list Marley Aké as a "first-team" player on their website, rather than other players who have been called up and played more. For me, all first-team players (regardless of apps), and reserve/youth players (with at least 1 app) should be part of the template. Nehme 1499 22:41, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
His article has many mini subsections which should be merged together to the bigger subsection, but Nehme disagrees. Do we divide this or not?
Another thing: I'm not very competent on this matter but can't we try to get an authorisation for a better photo? I think this photo isn't the maximum. Dr Salvus 16:42, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi, community. My question is related to national competitions table format, and I'd like to take the FIFA_World_Cup#Results as example. After taking a look at WP:Footy:competitions, I saw that elements such as the Template:Fb-big or the intercalated light blue background are a bit overwhelming and could be avoided making a simpler table with no such profusion of graphic elements, p.e. using the Template:Fb with no background colors (unless it is necessary to indicate some particular details of the competition).
My question is, the big flags and light blue backgrounds are mandatory? Its use was decided by consensus? Should they be used in all national team articles? .... Anything you can explain to clarify my doubts, will be welcome. Thanks in advance, Fma12 ( talk) 18:04, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
I noticed on many national team articles and on club articles that 4th places are mentioned in the honor section.. what's the consensus on this??? I get that a third place can be included as it's an actual medal, but a fourth place?? there are no medals handed out for a fourth place as i'm aware. Someone help me out here please Speun ( talk) 18:12, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
At the moment, we have three articles:
I believe that the content of the second article (1914) should be merged into the current club, as is done with all phoenix clubs in Italy. The illegitimate phoenix club isn't encyclopaedic in my opinion, as they had only played in the (amateur) Serie D. Maybe it could be mentioned in one paragraph in the current club's article. It's also important to note that the Italian project also only has the current club's article, and has merged all the content together. Nehme 1499 10:40, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
The last season, he played with the U19s. Many sources contraditct to each other with the number of apps and goals scored (but all the sites say he'd scored five/six goals in more o less 30 matches). I don't like leaving such information as the number of goals scored with the U17s is shown (16 nets in 17 games for a midfielder) as well as the number of goals while playing with the Pulcini (one-houndred-and-seventy-seven). Can I add the Lega Serie A profile (I'm insure wheter it shows he game in the play-offs for the title)? I'm not very good at deciding whether info is needed or not, can anyone check if today I've added any unnedeed? Dr Salvus 20:17, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Could someone with knowledge of Arabic add to Saleh Abdulhameed? The article is at risk of being deleted. The player made 30 appearances for the Bahrain national team and spent eight years at Al-Muharraq SC, one of the most successful clubs in the fully professional Bahraini Premier League. Would be a pity for the article to go. Kind regards, Robby.is.on ( talk) 09:46, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Here's another one: 2010–11 SC Bastia season. SC Bastia is one of three major Corsican clubs and has a large following so I would assume there's a lot of coverage. I've tried to add a little bit ( diff). Maybe others with knowledge of French and French football can find more good sources? @ Paul Vaurie:, @ Gricehead:? Robby.is.on ( talk) 12:36, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
there are people running around saying that hes scored the most second tier goals ever, however its not true as the record is 59. this is just more bs about how football started in 1992 with the invention of the premier league. https://twitter.com/skyfootball/status/1519023794668646400?s=21&t=Z6PFldan3-5tHBs8ovsrTw weirdly enuogh it was sky sports themselves calling out the bullshit of him having the record. the only record he has is the most since 1992, as stated by bbc sport which... isnt a relevant stat. its the most in the championship... but thats even worse as its records since 2004. Muur ( talk) 22:58, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
I was adding the table to my sandbox from an old book by Phil Soar, but a lot of the numbers are seriously wrong in this version of his book. Anyone else have the table somewhere to compare? Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 15:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, but just wanted to know in advance what the consensus is (if any) regarding the EFL play-offs, specifically how any appearances made and goals scored by players who feature in these are recorded.
A player's infobox stats only includes league appearances and goals (as well as national team apps/goals) - are the play-offs considered part of the league for this purpose?
Additionally, in the career statistics tables, are play-off appearances and goals to be included in the league columns, or should they be recorded under 'Other' with a note?
Thanks FilthyDon ( talk) 14:49, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
In November 2020, he had an ACL injury. He was to return in August 2021, but he broke his meniscus. He returned to the field in November, playing a couple of games before having a new injury which has since been keeping him far from the pitch (today he's first been called up since November). The problem is that no source says the kind of injury had in November. How can I explain the average reader the reason he was kept far from the pitch? I think saying that he had a injury without specifying its kind would be incomplete. Dr Salvus 18:00, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
news reporting about celebrities and sports figures can be very frequent and cover a lot of trivia, but using all these sources would lead to overly detailed articles that look like a diary. Not every facet of a celebrity's life, personal details, matches played, or goals scored is significant enough to be included in the biography of a person. The articles should summarise a players career, not just be a series of statements that
On nn mmm yyyy he did something. Spike 'em ( talk) 10:34, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
In the wiki article of Pep Guardiola "Catalonia" is listed as his national team. This is not correct.
Catalonia is not a country and the Catalonia team is in no way a national team, not politically, not by recognition of the international nor national football federations. It's a regional team that can only play in friendly matches, and it's part of the Royal Spanish Football Federation along all the other regional/territorial federations (Andalusia, Castile-Leon, Madrid, Asturias...). Its amateur section even participates in the UEFA Regions' Cup in which other non-national regions take part (Veneto, Castile-Leon, Bavaria, Jersey...).
The same goes for the article of the Catalonia national football team article, in which the references to "national" are incorrect.
This might be a translation error (these teams are called "selections" in Spanish, which does not have a direct translation to English and it's often translated as "national team", as these "selections" do normally refer to national teams: the French national team would be "the French Selection" ("Selección Francesa") and so on). That said, several requests to correct these objective errors have been disregarded, which makes me think there might be some political biases at play here.
It should be corrected.
In Pep Guardiola's article:
• Catalonia should be removed as his "national team" or moved to a new "regional team" section.
• Catalonia should not appear listed in the "international career" section.
In the Catalonia national football team article:
• "National" should be removed from the title, or replaced by "regional" or by a direct translation of its original name (which is the same in both Spanish and Catalan language and roughly translates to "Catalonia Football Squad"). The same should be done to any other references of Catalonia as a "national team" in the article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by The Chumbo One ( talk • contribs)
Hi folks,
You may remember Qed237, who I am guessing has left Wikipedia as I've seen on the user talk page at various points in recent years. I've now noticed a notice change though I'm not sure if that is right or not. It appeared the user had stopped editing a month after I registered with my current user name and I'm not sure why someone has changed the notice at the top of that talk page, whenever that was. Reverting that change could solve that problem unless the user does indeed comes back. And it's not summer yet. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 10:28, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
The more famous Aaron Ramsey, who plays for Rangers at this point, has the middle name James. Just now when I saw the top of the article, I see there is also a Aaron Ramsey (footballer, born 2003) page, looking at that infobox, it also says his middle name is James as well. Both claims are sourced so we should assume they are correct. Therefore, I am wondering if the full name redirect page should change role (from it's current redirect to the primary footballer) as the one born in 2003 could be more notable as time goes by. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 15:07, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Could someone with familiarity in women's soccer please have a look at the contribs of 90.255.168.165? [7] They have been engaging in mass changes to articles about women soccer players without edit summaries or citing any sources. I have blocked them for 72 hrs and may consider extending it. And I have reverted quite a few as unsourced changes but there are hundreds of rapid fire edits, and I suspect possible vandalism. Thanks. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 00:39, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
There is two kinds of format: Option 1 : UEFA kind:
NOTE: The following list of participating teams is provisional. The final list of participating teams will be confirmed by the AFC, based on the final slot allocation for each association and the list of teams passing the club licensing requirements. |
The labels in the parentheses show how each team qualified for the place of its starting round:
The tournament is divided into West Region (WR) and East Region (ER).
Entry round | Teams | ||||
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Group stage | WR | ||||
( 1st) | ( CW) | ( 1st 21–22) | [Note TBC] | ||
[Note TBC] | [Note TBC] | [Note TBC] | [Note TBC] | ||
( 1st) | ( CW) | [Note TBC] | ( 1st) | ||
( 1st) | [Note TBC] | ( 1st) | ( PW) | ||
ER | |||||
( 1st) | ( CW) | ( 2nd) | ( 1st) | ||
( CW) | ( 2nd) | ( 1st) | ( CW) | ||
[Note TBC] | [Note TBC] | [Note HKG] [Note TBC] | ( 1st) | ||
( 1st) | ( 1st) | ( 1st) | [Note TBC] | ||
Play-off round | |||||
WR | ( CW 21–22) | [Note TBC] | [Note TBC] | [Note TBC] | |
( 2nd) | |||||
ER | ( 3rd) | ( 3rd) | ( 2nd) | ( 3rd) | |
[Note TBC] | [Note TBC] | ||||
Preliminary round | |||||
WR | ( 3rd) | [Note TBC] | [Note TBC] | ( CW) | |
[Note TBC] | [Note TBC] | ||||
ER | [Note HKG] [Note TBC] | ( CW) | ( 1st) | [Note TBC] |
Notes
Option 2 : old AFC kind with appearance:
NOTE: The following list of participating teams is provisional. The final list of participating teams will be confirmed by the AFC, based on the final slot allocation for each association and the list of teams passing the club licensing requirements. |
In the following table, the number of appearances and last appearance count only those since the 2002–03 season (including qualifying rounds), when the competition was rebranded as the AFC Champions League.
Note: Only teams assured of a place are displayed. [a]
References
Which table should use in continental club football competition season articles? Thoughts? Hhkohh ( talk) 16:49, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
A day, I had read transfermarkt wasn't a reliable source as the pages are user-generated. I sometimes edit transfermarkt and I can state that every edit you want to do there must be approved by an admin. So, are there any other reasons it's not reliable? Dr Salvus 10:15, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
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See this dif: I argue that the teams currently playing in the playoffs should not be updated yet. Number 57 argues that we should display the league they are currently playing in (Serie B), and their regular season position (2021–22: Serie B, 7th of 20), even though the club could potentially be promoted to the Serie A via playoffs. To me, this gives the false impression that the club has finished 7th and will play in the Serie B in 2022–23. Nehme 1499 11:34, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
Reposted and updated version of original now archived.
As main contributor to this article, I would like to flag up for attention of others on the project a number of candidates for the list that are already wiki-articled and known or believed to have been killed in or died as a result of circumstances brought on by the war (eg execution, in enemy captivity, effects of wounds etc) but which so far lack a reliable citation regarding their death which is preconditional to inclusion in the list. A few have no death circumstances described in the text of their article but I note have been put on category lists that suggest someone knew/believed they died in wartime circumstances. I also include those whose death circumstances are disputed - see their talk pages for further detail - and are in need of a conclusive ruling in or out.
There may be additions coming onto the list so I encourage watch this space! Others are welcome to add. Please let us know if sources are found and added into their articles. Cloptonson ( talk) 09:39, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
I want to rewrite this article including the rosters for any youth team from the under-15s (I think including the other rosters would be ridicoulus). Are there any unnecessary rosters I want to include, can I include some lower teams? Would anyone help me? (Sorry if I talk too much about Juventus youth teams)
Someone help me understand this, as maybe there's something I missed. I'm looking at the (Northern) Irish league tables. Until 2003-2004 season there's a field shown before the points called "GR" which gets replaced with "GD" (goal difference) from 2003 on. GR seems to be goal average ie goals scored divided by goals conceded, a system used as the main tiebreaker in England until 1981, however it's news to me that this continued in Northern Ireland well into the millenia. Further in 1999–2000 Irish League the UEFA places are decided by goal difference, even though the mysterious GR is shown in the table. So unless I'm wrong and this has some significance which the table suggests it doesn't, we need to change these tables, no? Valenciano ( talk) 23:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
As the regular season for most UK/European clubs comes to an end over the coming weeks, I just wanted to seek clarification and possibly a consensus on loan players who are loaned to clubs until "the end of the season" - at what point is it appropriate to update their parent club, loan club and player pages.
The regular annual UK football season at least in terms of player contracts runs from 1 July until 30 June - every club season page on Wiki covers this period.
However, there seems to be some confusion over whether loan players who are loaned until the end of the season are under contract with their loan clubs until 30 June. In reality, loan players 'return' to their parent clubs after the last game of the loaning club's season. For the club I support, a couple of loan players said their goodbyes publicly on social media after the had played their last game for the club.
Again there appears to be confusion over this - I've seen some editors returning loan players to parent clubs, but later having these updates undone by other editors as "the season runs until 30 June". Conversely, I've seen these edits left alone without bother.
Common sense needs to prevail here. Unless someone has a source that confirms loan contracts run until 30 June, for Wikipedia purposes they should run until their final game (as in reality).
With this in mind, what is the current consensus?
Should we update parent clubs/loan clubs and players pages to reinstate loan players at their parent clubs after they have played their final loan game? FilthyDon ( talk) 00:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
the period of the year commencing on the date of the first League Match and, for each Club, ending immediately after the completion of the Club’s final fixture of the League Competition or, if the Club is participating in the Play-Offs, the final Play-Off match for that Club, and EFL Rule 55, which says loans are for a half "Season" or a full "Season", as defined above, and particularly 55.1.4, which clarifies that if the loan club's "Season" ends before that of the parent club, the player can't play for the parent club once he returns. That's the EFL, but the PL rules are the same. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 08:20, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
The end of the season, as Struway2 pointed out in the green text, has now applied to 61 out of 72 EFL clubs so effectively most loan players have had their seasons finished. Many of those players are loaned from Premier League clubs who have not yet completed their season so these articles should not be updated until at least after that date of the end of season is gone. These edits reflects on the fact that both Swansea's and Peterborough's seasons are both done but in the case of, e.g. Freddie Woodman, his season with Bournemouth is completed but Newcastle's isn't yet so the current version should reflect that. Strangely Swansea City A.F.C. has their loan dates ending 31 May 2022, not sure why though. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 13:30, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
they dont end the second a last game is played- Struway has quoted directly from the EFL rule book above confirming that they do -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 22:49, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
This website shows recent player appearance data for the English non-League and is very useful. I've just been informed by an IP editor though that the individual appearance lists non-playing appearances on the bench in addition to playing appearances. The playing appearances only are displayed on the club stats page. So one to watch out for. Echetus Xe 11:42, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi Everyone! May I ask why De Rossi's Argentinian championship victory continues to be included in his palmares? Neither FA neither Boca Junior gives the footballer the title. Because here we are basing it on football sites and newspapers, which I remember are not reliable sources in this case. Thank you for your reply. -- LittleWhites ( talk) 22:19, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Seany91 has been removing some content from Olli Harder claiming it violates WP:SOAP e.g. [9]. I don't agree and have started a talkpage discussion at Talk:Olli Harder, would be good to get the views of others there. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 08:53, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Hello
If a match report says "1-0 Wayne Rooney 58.". Would you write that Wayne Rooney made it 1-0 in the 58th minute or in the 59th minute? Earlier I would have written that he scored in the 58th minute. But I now realise that is probably completely wrong. In fact, he scored the goal in the 59th minute (after 58 minutes played). I am probably the only one who have not thought about this before...
Kindest regards. / EriFr ( talk) 21:03, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
The first minute is 0:00 – 0:59.) Nehme 1499 22:50, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
A recent deletion request ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashraful Islam Jhohan) has drawn my attention to Freestyle football. I'm aware that (despite the hyperbolic claims in the article) freestyle is a hyper-niche variant of minimal interest (the page averages around 50 views a day, about 1⁄6 those of Korfball), but even so this article is truly terrible in terms of both prose style and sourcing, if anyone fancies a stab at cleaning it up. (I do not volunteer to do ths myself; as far as I'm concerned 'freestyle' is just a fancy word for 'keepy-uppy'.) ‑ Iridescent 03:49, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
As multiple relocation happened in these six Finals, I don't think moving the host selection is currently suitable. I'd suggest that moving the host selection back to the original article.
FYI, Istanbul 2020→21→23, Munich 2022→23→25, 2021 Saint Petersburg→Istanbul→Porto, 2022 Munich→Saint Petersburg→Paris.
KyleRGiggs (
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19:35, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
We should probably have an article on 777 partners, the US investment firm which now owns Genoa C.F.C., Standard Liège and (most recently) Red Star F.C. - if anyone feels like drafting one? Gricehead ( talk) 11:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Do I write Iling-Junior or Iling Jr. in the prose and in the footballboxes? Dr Salvus 21:29, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
We shouldn't be doing something just beacuse someone else has done the same, that is exactly what we should be doing. We should refer to subjects by their common name i.e. the one that reliable sources use. We shouldn't decide to change the spelling/formatting/whatever of a subject's name just because we like it better...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:46, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
before moving to Chelsea in 2020 to Juventusand
Iling-Junior is a left-footed offensive winger, who can play in both sides. Spike 'em ( talk) 08:24, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
This article has caused some confusion: on the article it says he still plays for Kerala Blasters however the club article does not include him. I then checked the FC Goa page and he's currently on there but the source given does not include him on the squad page. It does appear on Google News that he has agreed terms ( https://www.90min.com/posts/isl-alvaro-vazquez-reportedly-agrees-terms-to-move-to-fc-goa-from-kerala-blasters) which states that the Kerala Blasters contract ends on 31 May 2022. That makes sense as to why the FC Goa website does not include him yet. So I have changed the article to reflect that hopefully to avoid more confusion on that article. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 15:20, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
I'm not sure how many users actually have this linked page on their watchlists: a large cluster of IP addresses have repetitively changed Amat's height by one centimetre from what the archive source says to 1.85m. This is a case of that editing behaviour being tedious at this point since that has been going on for many weeks now. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 08:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
So there are these two players: Mohamed Omar (soccer) and Mohamed Omar (footballer). Their pages obviously require further disambiguation as recent consensus has been that soccer/footballer are considered to be the same and they have the exact same spelling. However, I also noticed there are also Mohammad Omar (footballer) and Muhammad Omar (footballer), with different spelling variations of the first name. Are those considered different enough to be fine as are, or should the four all be jointly further disambiguated? All four are listed at the Mohamed Omar disambiguation page. (If they do need further disambiguation, I'll do it through a RM, rather than a bold move) RedPatch ( talk) 21:24, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi how are you guys? Please help me the name of Goalscorers, match officials, and match report of 2022 CAFA U-16 Championship. Thanks. MD Hydrogen 123 ( talk) 10:55, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Hello everyone. Following the model at Scotland national football team and suggestions by GA/FA reviewers, the Peru national football team article does not include a "results and fixtures" list. Off the top of my head, I recall some reasons for this being that it made the article bulky, focused excessively on recent and future events, relied on dubious sources, and often was manipulated by users to display favorable results (altering date ranges to filter bad results). Since at the time of the FA reviews Peru was on a losing streak, see the first decade at Peru national football team results (2000–2019), nobody had any issues with altogether removing the results (matching with the design of the Scotland article). However, since Peru is now doing "better" a user wants to add the results list on the page ( [10]). I am tired of the discussion, especially as the user is now pushing buttons ("I understand that you've been editing this page for fifteen years therefore have a particular interest in it" [11]). My understanding is that their main argument is that Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/National teams should be enforced on all articles as the standard. I always understood that page as just a proposal to help articles develop. The Scotland and Peru articles have kept a stable model for over a decade. I wanted to bring this up for discussion here to get more input from other FOOTY members. Thanks.-- MarshalN20 ✉ 🕊 15:37, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
I should add that Peru has also 3 additional records pages: Peru national football team records and statistics, Peru national football team results (2000–2019), and Peru national football team results (2020–present). So the results and fixtures do appear on the site, just requiring one or two more clicks. Just searching on Google also brings up the results quickly.-- MarshalN20 ✉ 🕊 15:40, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
And, of course, Scotland being the joint-oldest national football team in the world, they have a long fixtures record starting with Scotland national football team results (1872–1914).-- MarshalN20 ✉ 🕊 15:43, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Excellent, thanks for bringing this discussion here. As I mentioned in our previous chat, Fixtures and Results never came up in either of their FA reviews, the section was removed from the Peruvian page in 2009 but it was in table format back then rather than its current template. I have absolutely no interest in how the Peruvian team is doing, only that the national team articles are somewhat consistent, as demonstrated by my editing history. I believe that Fixtures and Results is a good section and should be included on the main page with the parameters that are set out on the template. The rest of my argument is available here! Felixsv7 ( talk) 16:16, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
I know some articles do include the last 2/3 years of results (though isn't that a WP:RECENTISM issue?), but I think it is much tidier if you include the match results in separate articles for each decade unless a team didn't play much then you could make it 20-30 years. That's my 2p and it avoids cluttering the article which is already full of tables and templates for squads and tournament results. The C of E God Save the Queen! ( talk) 07:52, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
By the way, how exactly is the "as well as any future matches that have been scheduled" not a problem with future predictions? I should also add that, while the past matches have "reports" that can at least serve for some verification (albeit that is also problematic for FA standards), the "future matches" do not have any reliable sources to support them. There's even an ongoing situation between Chile and Ecuador that may affect Peru's qualification ( [12]), so the "future match" being listed in the fixtures is clearly unreliable information. IMO, I reiterate that Wikipedia is not Google or a sports journal, so we should not display these lists in the national team encyclopedic articles...and we specially should not speculate about the future.-- MarshalN20 ✉ 🕊 14:38, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Awesome. Let's take a peek at the evidence available. So, after I made this comment, Felix quickly edited the Peru article to add sources for the upcoming matches ( [13]). Fantastic. But, let's take a look at other articles and see what's up. Mexico national football team has 11 unreferenced future matches ( [14]), Ecuador national football team has 9 unreferenced future matches ( [15]), Malaysia national football team has 5 unreferenced future matches ( [16]). And the list goes on. What does this indicate? I see placing undue burden or expectations on editors to keep up the verifiability of future matches, hindering the stability and source quality of the articles. All for what exactly? How is adding these lists of any encyclopedic value? How are we not turning these articles now into databases?-- MarshalN20 ✉ 🕊 01:43, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
an indiscriminate collection of information. Felixsv7 ( talk) 08:29, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
The national team page is neither an athlete nor an actor so that wouldn't apply. The only mention of a situation like this on the Recentism page is in the Talk page discussing live scoring - which I'll concede is pretty damn recent. Felixsv7 ( talk) 20:19, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Jmorrison230582's perspective makes a lot of sense to me. I also would like to further add that these "results and fixtures" are not and will never be highlighted in the introduction. What are we to write about it? "In the past twelve months, Scotland has won seven games, lost three, and tied four, with seven scheduled upcoming matches." And this has to be updated after every match or "confirmed" upcoming match? Not even in the history section do we write about every single match the team has played...because not all matches are relevant. Which leads me to the question no one has yet answered: Why are the past 12 months of matches relevant for the article? Moreover, what makes 12 months more relevant than 6 or 24 months? What makes months a more accurate marker than manager (as in, wouldn't it make more sense to list all matches under the current manager)? -- MarshalN20 ✉ 🕊 04:04, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
May I suggest that we add a "career highlights" section for very good or famous footballers? I have seen it on Jonny Wilkinson's wikipedia page and think it is a good idea. Please comment your opinion on this proposal. Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 13:30, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
On the nth of sometember he did a good thing. The prose career section should already be a summary of a career, with really momentous things appearing in the lead. Spike 'em ( talk) 09:12, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
sorry but this is a terrible idea. Giant Snowman 09:36, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Add me to the not in favour of this idea group. RedPatch ( talk) 13:50, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Ok. If you think it’s a bad idea, you also might want to get it off Jonny Wilkinson#career highlights’s page. Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 15:22, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Might we be proactive and semi-protect his article before the comedians start rolling in? There's already been one. Seasider53 ( talk) 17:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi guys, just wanted to remind you all of this particular sockmaster. He's pretty tenacious when it comes to evading his original block, but fortunately for us, he's pretty easily identifiable. He seems to use the exact same set of edit summaries every single time ("Added some new information" or "Added a new image", the former being especially ironic when he's actually deleting content!), and his usernames follow a fairly common pattern. I raise this here because his targets are usually football-related, although he does stray into pop music and reality TV every once in a while. Per WP:BANREVERT, we should be reverting this person's contributions on sight, regardless of how constructive they seem. If their contributions are actually any good, feel free to re-add them, but they should definitely be reverted first. Also, if you see any new sockpuppets like this, please report them at WP:SPI, logging them under the username of the original sockmaster, DJdjPollard15. Cheers. – Pee Jay 14:28, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Juventus site consider him (with no point) a first-team player (for example you can buy his shirt while you can't buy Miretti's). Should the article have the number he uses with the first team? Dr Salvus 12:48, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Not sure how it works, but I went to add the table too 1998–99 Willem II season season article, however the whole page got added from 1998–99 Eredivisie, anyone able to fix that? I don't know how. Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 09:54, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Me again. May I suggest that every major league (or at least the top five in Europe) has a position per round table on their page? It is absolutely driving me nuts that the Premier League and Bundesliga pages do not. I am currently making a Premier League one in my sandbox, so if somebody could make a Bundesliga one? Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 16:10, 16 May 2022 (UTC) ( talk • contribs) 16:03, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Ok. Today is really not going well for me on this talk page. Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 16:47, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Someone else want to look at the article, I really don't like the edits that Mwiqdoh is doing, I don't like the repeated linking to derby articles, ( WP:OVERLINK)! I certainly don't like the (d) next to the score line which pops it out of alignment, I hate score-lines being linked up which messes with my voice reader for some bizarre reason. The scoreline won't be read out and it reads the link which is bizarre! :/ Govvy ( talk) 09:09, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
The "Results by matchday" section has a link for the derbies aswell which should not be there and i removed it now. Complete overkill/overlink and just made a mess of that section(s). Kante4 ( talk) 17:22, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
I created a quick template for that season, might need to be fixed up better. Govvy ( talk) 17:00, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
User:The Chumbo One just made a bunch of significant edits, undiscussed changes, and page moves related to the Catalonia national football team. The only edit I made was here reverting major undiscussed changes two weeks ago, but I am getting accused of making ideological changes. I am not sure what the consensus is for these pages but I thought it was important that the project was aware of these to make sure they were addressed properly. Jay eyem ( talk) 15:26, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Article titles are based on how reliable English-language sources refer to the article's subject. Your view on the translation of the official name in Spanish is irrelevant. Spike 'em ( talk) 21:03, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Took me a while, but I have found the conversation which I remember being discussed on this page.
I can't seem to think why we have an image like that on the Mark Bradley (footballer, born 1988) infobox, surely it should be a photo of him actually in a football kit or other football related job. I doubt this infobox image here is appropriate enough to be honest.
FYI: an article on my watchlist has had the picture changed from a football related one to one which is not. Given one of the responses from the archived conversation, I won't name that article and therefore left that alone for now so the revert is not in my contributions. In most cases, lead photos are of people in football kits or acting as a manager, not on their holidays or other out of football activities. These type of photos I think should reach a consensus on if they to be kept or not.
Option 1 - Keep the Mark Bradley (footballer, born 1988) and similar photos in there.
Option 2 - remove due to that being out of scope for not using football kit/manager outfits.
Cheers, Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 15:30, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
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In 2022 AFC Cup qualifying play-offs, for Athletic 220 v Lee Man match, the original is Lee Man v Athletic 220. However, for some reasons, the host was reversed. So I think we should write
Play-off round | ||
Athletic 220 | ||
Lee Man | ||
. However,
Anbans 585 contested and said No the order of the leg has not been reversed. This is evident from the order in the official match sources. Instead we should add a citation on why the match is not being held on the home team's ground. So far I have not been able to find any citation which either states change in order of leg, or change in venue.
. So what do you think?
Play-off round | ||
Athletic 220 | ||
Lee Man | ||
Play-off round | ||
Lee Man | ||
Athletic 220 | ||
Hhkohh ( talk) 14:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
@ Hhkohh: Have added a note which explains why the match is being played at the away team's venue. Hadn't added it earlier, as I was not able to find a citation. Have found it now.-- Anbans 585 ( talk) 16:02, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Ronaldo has five sons. I've written this sentence without including the son unfortunatley dead as Ronaldo currently has 5 sons. Some IPs think I'm wrong. Should the dead boy be included in the count? Dr Salvus 21:33, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Each site has its way of attributing a player an assist to a teammate which could be different from any other. For example a site might attribute a player an assist while other don't do so all. For example, if I'm not mistaken, Vlahovic's goal against Cagliari about one week ago had no assist for some sites while for other sites, he was assisted by Dybala. Should the number of assists be shown in the prose? Dr Salvus 11:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
I was trying to de-orphan an article ran into a problem with two players, Seiya Katakura and Seiya Kitakura. Since the names are so close, I looked into it further: the prose of both stubs indicates an identical birthdate and club, so I suspect they are the same player. The source for the first (Soccerway) indicates that would be the correct name for the player (the second is also cited with a single source, but in Japanese, which I can't read). Should the articles be merged, and if so, with what name? Perfect4th ( talk) 17:44, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
As of 19th April 2022 at 3PM BST, the league table on the article "2021-22 EFL League One" states that Rotherham United and Milton Keynes Dons have secured at least a play-off spot but could still secure automatic promotion. As far as I'm aware, neither club have secured either a play-off spot nor automatic promotion. Can someone tell me how they've secured at least a play-off spot or correct the table? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amanofpolitics ( talk • contribs) 14:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
So I'm having a bit of a disagreement with YangerAAS and Taeguk who want the fourth place in tables to be coloured (Some have used light blue and some have used yellow/lemon as well). As per these edits here, here and here. My feeling is that fourth place isn't a medal (Honour) and shouldn't be coloured, only 1st, 2nd and 3rd. I couldn't see any prior discussion on this but thought there must have been some consensus on it before?— NZFC (talk) (cont) 21:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
I have not invented this rule. Since I started looking at national team articles on Wikipedia I have seen both bold and color for Fourth place. Taeguk ( talk) 08:35, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
So a deletion discussion about an All White with 16 caps and 5 goals not being notable, turned into a discussion on whether UltimateNZSoccer is a reliable source. It is on WP:WPFLINKS and was fine until BilledMammal said it was a self-published source and can't be used for BLP articles. The thing is, the website is run by Jeremy Ruane who is a NZ Football historian, it is actually more accurate that even using NZ Football website previously for information and Ruane himself is a journalist. He has won awards for his work, linked by Te Ara - The Encyclopaedia of New Zealand which is run by New Zealand Ministry for Culture and Heritage. Lastly he is quite often quoted or referenced in Newspapers Jeremy Ruane, a New Zealand women's football journalist and Ultimate NZ Soccer website editor and renowned Kiwi football historian Jeremy Ruane. I know I'm biased on this but I'm trying to save a good source that is currently used not only in a lot of Club/Season articles but alot of New Zealand Football BLPs as well.— NZFC (talk) (cont) 21:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
I also disagree with having the discussion here first; we need input from editors more experienced with BLP rules.It's a discussion about football/soccer, so worth having here, the place with the most knowledgeable editors about football. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 14:57, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
The issue isn't whether it is reliable, it is whether it is self published.To help me understand the scope of the discussion when I take this to RSN, do you disagree with the claim that the source is self-published, or do you disagree with the claim that self-published sources are not allowed to be used on BLP's? BilledMammal ( talk) 03:29, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
BilledMammal shouting that sources aren't reliable. BilledMammal ( talk) 06:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Never use self-published sources—including but not limited to books, zines, websites, blogs, and tweets—as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article.BilledMammal ( talk) 11:07, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
The issue isn't whether it is reliable, it is whether it is self published.However, based on comments like yours and Joseph2302's, I don't believe further discussion here will be productive; I've opened the discussion on RSN, and will now step back from this topic and let uninvolved editors discuss. BilledMammal ( talk) 14:20, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi. I updated Federico Piovaccari and the infobox said than he played 8 (5 goals) matches for Italy U-23, no source, even FIGC, Soccerway ( WikiProject Football/Archive 153 at Soccerway) or Worldfootball ( WikiProject Football/Archive 153 at WorldFootball.net) i can't find any source. The Italian Wiki only has and interview with no more details ( [5]). So, Piovaccari played the 2005 Mediterranean Games with Italy U-23, a non-official tournament. My question is, it's ok to add Italy U-23 section in the infobox?. Greetings. Pincheira22 ( talk) 21:36, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
If Juve Primavera reach the final of the Youth League, I'd like to create an article about the match. I believe the Italian websites will give a big coverage if this happens. Could the article be notable? Dr Salvus 09:08, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone know of a resource for KNVB Cup appearances and goals, for around 1989 to 2002? I've made a career stats table for Erik ten Hag, and all that's missing is KNVB Cup data. Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 23:20, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Ben Collins (soccer, born 2000) was created on 7 December 2021 by Simione001 and today Benjamin Collins (Australian soccer) was created by FastCube. Wasn't sure how to request it, so bringing up here - can we do a histmerge between them and what name should the article be under? Ben Collins seems to me the more common name (some sources: WUFC, FTBL, Star Weekly, Inner Sanctum contract, Inner Sanctum NPL season, WUFC again, WUFC captaincy, WUFC NPL squad) and on the other hand can't find any news about Benjamin Collins. -- SuperJew ( talk) 16:24, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
I have merged at Ben Collins (soccer, born 2000). Giant Snowman 06:30, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi. You may or may not be interested in these discussions, and this thread at WP:AN. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Today, he's first been called-up by Juve U23 after a eight month-injury. He last played for Juve U19 in June 2021. If he plays today, will I put 2021 or 2022 in his timestamp with Juve Youth? He's never played for Juve U19 this season at all. Dr Salvus 10:43, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Team information | |||
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Current team | Juventus U23 | ||
Number | 30 | ||
Youth career | |||
–2021 | Juventus | ||
2019–2020 | → Bologna (loan) | ||
2020–2021 | → Monza (loan) | ||
Senior career* | |||
Years | Team | Apps | ( Gls) |
2021– | Juventus U23 | 1 | (0) |
*Club domestic league appearances and goals |
I have to create an infobox kit template for this shirt.... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 10:59, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
I noticed this article about a Premier League footballer has been massively neglected. There is no written prose except for the lead section, with nothing on his life or his career. The stats table is also not updated as of writing this comment (I will take care of that), and overall it really is surprising that an article about a Premier League player has been neglected this badly. I don't know if there are any more articles like this, but it really is something we as editors need to watch out for more often. ArsenalGhanaPartey ( talk) 23:17, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Have there ever been any articles on a footballer who's played at senior levels since no more than two years getting GA status? Dr Salvus 11:39, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
I am somewhat confused, but how many articles are there? I've stacked three little articles to one AfD, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1962 FIFA World Cup qualification (CONMEBOL – Group 3) because all the information is already on 1962 FIFA World Cup qualification, so I really don't get the multiple smaller articles with the same information. I wanted to include more if you look at the AfD history. What do people think? Should these also be bundled in?
?? Govvy ( talk) 09:31, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
They're three Juventus U23's players who have played today in the lost semifinal of the Youth League. During Youth League matches, they passed from the U23 to U19 team. Do I write what they've done with Juve U19 this season in the "youth career" section or in another section? They've all made more than 25 professional matches this season so they're not youth players. Dr Salvus 14:23, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
When this season finishes, I'd like to add their number of games and goals for Juve U19 both specifically for the Youth League and for every competition. Would it be worth it though to have two types of statistics in the prose? Dr Salvus 20:29, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frank Bradshaw, an England international, and many others by the same nominator. Seasider53 ( talk) 22:16, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
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The ridicolous format of this competition (nothing like the spectatular FA Cup or the Coupe de France) features a bracket whose positions are determinated by teams' league placements. The title holders are in Spot 1, the team who win Serie A are in Spot 2, the team who come 2nd are in Spot 3, the teams who win Serie B are in Spot 22 etc... This does mean we arleady know the fixtures even though no source confirms the games. Can we put the matches when the fixtures haven't been officialised yet? Dr Salvus 18:32, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Can projects ignore manuals of style. Giant Snowman 07:52, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
I am trying to find sources about Thomas Green (footballer) (born 1883) and was told there might be some coverage on him in the books Swindon Town: The Register 1895-2015: An A-Z of Every First Team Player and QPR Player by Player. Is there anyone here who has access to these books and can check? Alvaldi ( talk) 11:53, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Hello! I used to be a contributor to WP:Footy way back. I have a question about the guidelines for inclusions of players to squad templates. Recently I added Marc Pubill to the squad template of UD Levante since he's broken through to the first team during the spring. I'm thinking that squad templates are for easy navigating between relevant articles, in this case current players involved with the first team. However, user:BrazilianDude70 reverted the edits with two competing explanations of wich neither is great: first he says that the player is not officially registered with the A team. While that's true, that's also true of Daniel Cárdenas (the current number 1 goalkeeper) and Alejandro Cantero. It seems strange that the goalkeeper that has played the most number of games for the first team and who has been the undisputed starter for more than half f it shouldn't be included on the template. The other argument is that the player isn't listed for the first team on the Levante OWS. It seems strange to me that decisions on who to include on squad templates or squad lists should be decided by whoever runs the website for the team. Some club websites are very poorly updated. I'd be thankful for clarification of the wiki guidelines on this matter.-- Sebisthlm ( talk) 23:08, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Every player that appear a single minute for the first team might then be included in the template: what's the issue with this? Nehme 1499 16:22, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
At the start of each season, when the club releases their squad numbers or first-team list or whatever, that is what the squad template should reflect. over the course of the season, if players get squad numbers but don't play then consider adding them (case-by-case basis) - and if they make a first-team debut then definitely add them. Giant Snowman 20:52, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
Not all clubs have official websites, let alone an up to date section of first team players. As Dr Salvus noted above, Juventus arbitrarily list Marley Aké as a "first-team" player on their website, rather than other players who have been called up and played more. For me, all first-team players (regardless of apps), and reserve/youth players (with at least 1 app) should be part of the template. Nehme 1499 22:41, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
His article has many mini subsections which should be merged together to the bigger subsection, but Nehme disagrees. Do we divide this or not?
Another thing: I'm not very competent on this matter but can't we try to get an authorisation for a better photo? I think this photo isn't the maximum. Dr Salvus 16:42, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi, community. My question is related to national competitions table format, and I'd like to take the FIFA_World_Cup#Results as example. After taking a look at WP:Footy:competitions, I saw that elements such as the Template:Fb-big or the intercalated light blue background are a bit overwhelming and could be avoided making a simpler table with no such profusion of graphic elements, p.e. using the Template:Fb with no background colors (unless it is necessary to indicate some particular details of the competition).
My question is, the big flags and light blue backgrounds are mandatory? Its use was decided by consensus? Should they be used in all national team articles? .... Anything you can explain to clarify my doubts, will be welcome. Thanks in advance, Fma12 ( talk) 18:04, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
I noticed on many national team articles and on club articles that 4th places are mentioned in the honor section.. what's the consensus on this??? I get that a third place can be included as it's an actual medal, but a fourth place?? there are no medals handed out for a fourth place as i'm aware. Someone help me out here please Speun ( talk) 18:12, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
At the moment, we have three articles:
I believe that the content of the second article (1914) should be merged into the current club, as is done with all phoenix clubs in Italy. The illegitimate phoenix club isn't encyclopaedic in my opinion, as they had only played in the (amateur) Serie D. Maybe it could be mentioned in one paragraph in the current club's article. It's also important to note that the Italian project also only has the current club's article, and has merged all the content together. Nehme 1499 10:40, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
The last season, he played with the U19s. Many sources contraditct to each other with the number of apps and goals scored (but all the sites say he'd scored five/six goals in more o less 30 matches). I don't like leaving such information as the number of goals scored with the U17s is shown (16 nets in 17 games for a midfielder) as well as the number of goals while playing with the Pulcini (one-houndred-and-seventy-seven). Can I add the Lega Serie A profile (I'm insure wheter it shows he game in the play-offs for the title)? I'm not very good at deciding whether info is needed or not, can anyone check if today I've added any unnedeed? Dr Salvus 20:17, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Could someone with knowledge of Arabic add to Saleh Abdulhameed? The article is at risk of being deleted. The player made 30 appearances for the Bahrain national team and spent eight years at Al-Muharraq SC, one of the most successful clubs in the fully professional Bahraini Premier League. Would be a pity for the article to go. Kind regards, Robby.is.on ( talk) 09:46, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Here's another one: 2010–11 SC Bastia season. SC Bastia is one of three major Corsican clubs and has a large following so I would assume there's a lot of coverage. I've tried to add a little bit ( diff). Maybe others with knowledge of French and French football can find more good sources? @ Paul Vaurie:, @ Gricehead:? Robby.is.on ( talk) 12:36, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
there are people running around saying that hes scored the most second tier goals ever, however its not true as the record is 59. this is just more bs about how football started in 1992 with the invention of the premier league. https://twitter.com/skyfootball/status/1519023794668646400?s=21&t=Z6PFldan3-5tHBs8ovsrTw weirdly enuogh it was sky sports themselves calling out the bullshit of him having the record. the only record he has is the most since 1992, as stated by bbc sport which... isnt a relevant stat. its the most in the championship... but thats even worse as its records since 2004. Muur ( talk) 22:58, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
I was adding the table to my sandbox from an old book by Phil Soar, but a lot of the numbers are seriously wrong in this version of his book. Anyone else have the table somewhere to compare? Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 15:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, but just wanted to know in advance what the consensus is (if any) regarding the EFL play-offs, specifically how any appearances made and goals scored by players who feature in these are recorded.
A player's infobox stats only includes league appearances and goals (as well as national team apps/goals) - are the play-offs considered part of the league for this purpose?
Additionally, in the career statistics tables, are play-off appearances and goals to be included in the league columns, or should they be recorded under 'Other' with a note?
Thanks FilthyDon ( talk) 14:49, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
In November 2020, he had an ACL injury. He was to return in August 2021, but he broke his meniscus. He returned to the field in November, playing a couple of games before having a new injury which has since been keeping him far from the pitch (today he's first been called up since November). The problem is that no source says the kind of injury had in November. How can I explain the average reader the reason he was kept far from the pitch? I think saying that he had a injury without specifying its kind would be incomplete. Dr Salvus 18:00, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
news reporting about celebrities and sports figures can be very frequent and cover a lot of trivia, but using all these sources would lead to overly detailed articles that look like a diary. Not every facet of a celebrity's life, personal details, matches played, or goals scored is significant enough to be included in the biography of a person. The articles should summarise a players career, not just be a series of statements that
On nn mmm yyyy he did something. Spike 'em ( talk) 10:34, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
In the wiki article of Pep Guardiola "Catalonia" is listed as his national team. This is not correct.
Catalonia is not a country and the Catalonia team is in no way a national team, not politically, not by recognition of the international nor national football federations. It's a regional team that can only play in friendly matches, and it's part of the Royal Spanish Football Federation along all the other regional/territorial federations (Andalusia, Castile-Leon, Madrid, Asturias...). Its amateur section even participates in the UEFA Regions' Cup in which other non-national regions take part (Veneto, Castile-Leon, Bavaria, Jersey...).
The same goes for the article of the Catalonia national football team article, in which the references to "national" are incorrect.
This might be a translation error (these teams are called "selections" in Spanish, which does not have a direct translation to English and it's often translated as "national team", as these "selections" do normally refer to national teams: the French national team would be "the French Selection" ("Selección Francesa") and so on). That said, several requests to correct these objective errors have been disregarded, which makes me think there might be some political biases at play here.
It should be corrected.
In Pep Guardiola's article:
• Catalonia should be removed as his "national team" or moved to a new "regional team" section.
• Catalonia should not appear listed in the "international career" section.
In the Catalonia national football team article:
• "National" should be removed from the title, or replaced by "regional" or by a direct translation of its original name (which is the same in both Spanish and Catalan language and roughly translates to "Catalonia Football Squad"). The same should be done to any other references of Catalonia as a "national team" in the article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by The Chumbo One ( talk • contribs)
Hi folks,
You may remember Qed237, who I am guessing has left Wikipedia as I've seen on the user talk page at various points in recent years. I've now noticed a notice change though I'm not sure if that is right or not. It appeared the user had stopped editing a month after I registered with my current user name and I'm not sure why someone has changed the notice at the top of that talk page, whenever that was. Reverting that change could solve that problem unless the user does indeed comes back. And it's not summer yet. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 10:28, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
The more famous Aaron Ramsey, who plays for Rangers at this point, has the middle name James. Just now when I saw the top of the article, I see there is also a Aaron Ramsey (footballer, born 2003) page, looking at that infobox, it also says his middle name is James as well. Both claims are sourced so we should assume they are correct. Therefore, I am wondering if the full name redirect page should change role (from it's current redirect to the primary footballer) as the one born in 2003 could be more notable as time goes by. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 15:07, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Could someone with familiarity in women's soccer please have a look at the contribs of 90.255.168.165? [7] They have been engaging in mass changes to articles about women soccer players without edit summaries or citing any sources. I have blocked them for 72 hrs and may consider extending it. And I have reverted quite a few as unsourced changes but there are hundreds of rapid fire edits, and I suspect possible vandalism. Thanks. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 00:39, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
There is two kinds of format: Option 1 : UEFA kind:
NOTE: The following list of participating teams is provisional. The final list of participating teams will be confirmed by the AFC, based on the final slot allocation for each association and the list of teams passing the club licensing requirements. |
The labels in the parentheses show how each team qualified for the place of its starting round:
The tournament is divided into West Region (WR) and East Region (ER).
Entry round | Teams | ||||
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Group stage | WR | ||||
( 1st) | ( CW) | ( 1st 21–22) | [Note TBC] | ||
[Note TBC] | [Note TBC] | [Note TBC] | [Note TBC] | ||
( 1st) | ( CW) | [Note TBC] | ( 1st) | ||
( 1st) | [Note TBC] | ( 1st) | ( PW) | ||
ER | |||||
( 1st) | ( CW) | ( 2nd) | ( 1st) | ||
( CW) | ( 2nd) | ( 1st) | ( CW) | ||
[Note TBC] | [Note TBC] | [Note HKG] [Note TBC] | ( 1st) | ||
( 1st) | ( 1st) | ( 1st) | [Note TBC] | ||
Play-off round | |||||
WR | ( CW 21–22) | [Note TBC] | [Note TBC] | [Note TBC] | |
( 2nd) | |||||
ER | ( 3rd) | ( 3rd) | ( 2nd) | ( 3rd) | |
[Note TBC] | [Note TBC] | ||||
Preliminary round | |||||
WR | ( 3rd) | [Note TBC] | [Note TBC] | ( CW) | |
[Note TBC] | [Note TBC] | ||||
ER | [Note HKG] [Note TBC] | ( CW) | ( 1st) | [Note TBC] |
Notes
Option 2 : old AFC kind with appearance:
NOTE: The following list of participating teams is provisional. The final list of participating teams will be confirmed by the AFC, based on the final slot allocation for each association and the list of teams passing the club licensing requirements. |
In the following table, the number of appearances and last appearance count only those since the 2002–03 season (including qualifying rounds), when the competition was rebranded as the AFC Champions League.
Note: Only teams assured of a place are displayed. [a]
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References
Which table should use in continental club football competition season articles? Thoughts? Hhkohh ( talk) 16:49, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
A day, I had read transfermarkt wasn't a reliable source as the pages are user-generated. I sometimes edit transfermarkt and I can state that every edit you want to do there must be approved by an admin. So, are there any other reasons it's not reliable? Dr Salvus 10:15, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Association football for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 ( talk) 01:51, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
See this dif: I argue that the teams currently playing in the playoffs should not be updated yet. Number 57 argues that we should display the league they are currently playing in (Serie B), and their regular season position (2021–22: Serie B, 7th of 20), even though the club could potentially be promoted to the Serie A via playoffs. To me, this gives the false impression that the club has finished 7th and will play in the Serie B in 2022–23. Nehme 1499 11:34, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
Reposted and updated version of original now archived.
As main contributor to this article, I would like to flag up for attention of others on the project a number of candidates for the list that are already wiki-articled and known or believed to have been killed in or died as a result of circumstances brought on by the war (eg execution, in enemy captivity, effects of wounds etc) but which so far lack a reliable citation regarding their death which is preconditional to inclusion in the list. A few have no death circumstances described in the text of their article but I note have been put on category lists that suggest someone knew/believed they died in wartime circumstances. I also include those whose death circumstances are disputed - see their talk pages for further detail - and are in need of a conclusive ruling in or out.
There may be additions coming onto the list so I encourage watch this space! Others are welcome to add. Please let us know if sources are found and added into their articles. Cloptonson ( talk) 09:39, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
I want to rewrite this article including the rosters for any youth team from the under-15s (I think including the other rosters would be ridicoulus). Are there any unnecessary rosters I want to include, can I include some lower teams? Would anyone help me? (Sorry if I talk too much about Juventus youth teams)
Someone help me understand this, as maybe there's something I missed. I'm looking at the (Northern) Irish league tables. Until 2003-2004 season there's a field shown before the points called "GR" which gets replaced with "GD" (goal difference) from 2003 on. GR seems to be goal average ie goals scored divided by goals conceded, a system used as the main tiebreaker in England until 1981, however it's news to me that this continued in Northern Ireland well into the millenia. Further in 1999–2000 Irish League the UEFA places are decided by goal difference, even though the mysterious GR is shown in the table. So unless I'm wrong and this has some significance which the table suggests it doesn't, we need to change these tables, no? Valenciano ( talk) 23:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
As the regular season for most UK/European clubs comes to an end over the coming weeks, I just wanted to seek clarification and possibly a consensus on loan players who are loaned to clubs until "the end of the season" - at what point is it appropriate to update their parent club, loan club and player pages.
The regular annual UK football season at least in terms of player contracts runs from 1 July until 30 June - every club season page on Wiki covers this period.
However, there seems to be some confusion over whether loan players who are loaned until the end of the season are under contract with their loan clubs until 30 June. In reality, loan players 'return' to their parent clubs after the last game of the loaning club's season. For the club I support, a couple of loan players said their goodbyes publicly on social media after the had played their last game for the club.
Again there appears to be confusion over this - I've seen some editors returning loan players to parent clubs, but later having these updates undone by other editors as "the season runs until 30 June". Conversely, I've seen these edits left alone without bother.
Common sense needs to prevail here. Unless someone has a source that confirms loan contracts run until 30 June, for Wikipedia purposes they should run until their final game (as in reality).
With this in mind, what is the current consensus?
Should we update parent clubs/loan clubs and players pages to reinstate loan players at their parent clubs after they have played their final loan game? FilthyDon ( talk) 00:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
the period of the year commencing on the date of the first League Match and, for each Club, ending immediately after the completion of the Club’s final fixture of the League Competition or, if the Club is participating in the Play-Offs, the final Play-Off match for that Club, and EFL Rule 55, which says loans are for a half "Season" or a full "Season", as defined above, and particularly 55.1.4, which clarifies that if the loan club's "Season" ends before that of the parent club, the player can't play for the parent club once he returns. That's the EFL, but the PL rules are the same. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 08:20, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
The end of the season, as Struway2 pointed out in the green text, has now applied to 61 out of 72 EFL clubs so effectively most loan players have had their seasons finished. Many of those players are loaned from Premier League clubs who have not yet completed their season so these articles should not be updated until at least after that date of the end of season is gone. These edits reflects on the fact that both Swansea's and Peterborough's seasons are both done but in the case of, e.g. Freddie Woodman, his season with Bournemouth is completed but Newcastle's isn't yet so the current version should reflect that. Strangely Swansea City A.F.C. has their loan dates ending 31 May 2022, not sure why though. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 13:30, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
they dont end the second a last game is played- Struway has quoted directly from the EFL rule book above confirming that they do -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 22:49, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
This website shows recent player appearance data for the English non-League and is very useful. I've just been informed by an IP editor though that the individual appearance lists non-playing appearances on the bench in addition to playing appearances. The playing appearances only are displayed on the club stats page. So one to watch out for. Echetus Xe 11:42, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi Everyone! May I ask why De Rossi's Argentinian championship victory continues to be included in his palmares? Neither FA neither Boca Junior gives the footballer the title. Because here we are basing it on football sites and newspapers, which I remember are not reliable sources in this case. Thank you for your reply. -- LittleWhites ( talk) 22:19, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Seany91 has been removing some content from Olli Harder claiming it violates WP:SOAP e.g. [9]. I don't agree and have started a talkpage discussion at Talk:Olli Harder, would be good to get the views of others there. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 08:53, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Hello
If a match report says "1-0 Wayne Rooney 58.". Would you write that Wayne Rooney made it 1-0 in the 58th minute or in the 59th minute? Earlier I would have written that he scored in the 58th minute. But I now realise that is probably completely wrong. In fact, he scored the goal in the 59th minute (after 58 minutes played). I am probably the only one who have not thought about this before...
Kindest regards. / EriFr ( talk) 21:03, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
The first minute is 0:00 – 0:59.) Nehme 1499 22:50, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
A recent deletion request ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashraful Islam Jhohan) has drawn my attention to Freestyle football. I'm aware that (despite the hyperbolic claims in the article) freestyle is a hyper-niche variant of minimal interest (the page averages around 50 views a day, about 1⁄6 those of Korfball), but even so this article is truly terrible in terms of both prose style and sourcing, if anyone fancies a stab at cleaning it up. (I do not volunteer to do ths myself; as far as I'm concerned 'freestyle' is just a fancy word for 'keepy-uppy'.) ‑ Iridescent 03:49, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
As multiple relocation happened in these six Finals, I don't think moving the host selection is currently suitable. I'd suggest that moving the host selection back to the original article.
FYI, Istanbul 2020→21→23, Munich 2022→23→25, 2021 Saint Petersburg→Istanbul→Porto, 2022 Munich→Saint Petersburg→Paris.
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19:35, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
We should probably have an article on 777 partners, the US investment firm which now owns Genoa C.F.C., Standard Liège and (most recently) Red Star F.C. - if anyone feels like drafting one? Gricehead ( talk) 11:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Do I write Iling-Junior or Iling Jr. in the prose and in the footballboxes? Dr Salvus 21:29, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
We shouldn't be doing something just beacuse someone else has done the same, that is exactly what we should be doing. We should refer to subjects by their common name i.e. the one that reliable sources use. We shouldn't decide to change the spelling/formatting/whatever of a subject's name just because we like it better...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:46, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
before moving to Chelsea in 2020 to Juventusand
Iling-Junior is a left-footed offensive winger, who can play in both sides. Spike 'em ( talk) 08:24, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
This article has caused some confusion: on the article it says he still plays for Kerala Blasters however the club article does not include him. I then checked the FC Goa page and he's currently on there but the source given does not include him on the squad page. It does appear on Google News that he has agreed terms ( https://www.90min.com/posts/isl-alvaro-vazquez-reportedly-agrees-terms-to-move-to-fc-goa-from-kerala-blasters) which states that the Kerala Blasters contract ends on 31 May 2022. That makes sense as to why the FC Goa website does not include him yet. So I have changed the article to reflect that hopefully to avoid more confusion on that article. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 15:20, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
I'm not sure how many users actually have this linked page on their watchlists: a large cluster of IP addresses have repetitively changed Amat's height by one centimetre from what the archive source says to 1.85m. This is a case of that editing behaviour being tedious at this point since that has been going on for many weeks now. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 08:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
So there are these two players: Mohamed Omar (soccer) and Mohamed Omar (footballer). Their pages obviously require further disambiguation as recent consensus has been that soccer/footballer are considered to be the same and they have the exact same spelling. However, I also noticed there are also Mohammad Omar (footballer) and Muhammad Omar (footballer), with different spelling variations of the first name. Are those considered different enough to be fine as are, or should the four all be jointly further disambiguated? All four are listed at the Mohamed Omar disambiguation page. (If they do need further disambiguation, I'll do it through a RM, rather than a bold move) RedPatch ( talk) 21:24, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi how are you guys? Please help me the name of Goalscorers, match officials, and match report of 2022 CAFA U-16 Championship. Thanks. MD Hydrogen 123 ( talk) 10:55, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Hello everyone. Following the model at Scotland national football team and suggestions by GA/FA reviewers, the Peru national football team article does not include a "results and fixtures" list. Off the top of my head, I recall some reasons for this being that it made the article bulky, focused excessively on recent and future events, relied on dubious sources, and often was manipulated by users to display favorable results (altering date ranges to filter bad results). Since at the time of the FA reviews Peru was on a losing streak, see the first decade at Peru national football team results (2000–2019), nobody had any issues with altogether removing the results (matching with the design of the Scotland article). However, since Peru is now doing "better" a user wants to add the results list on the page ( [10]). I am tired of the discussion, especially as the user is now pushing buttons ("I understand that you've been editing this page for fifteen years therefore have a particular interest in it" [11]). My understanding is that their main argument is that Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/National teams should be enforced on all articles as the standard. I always understood that page as just a proposal to help articles develop. The Scotland and Peru articles have kept a stable model for over a decade. I wanted to bring this up for discussion here to get more input from other FOOTY members. Thanks.-- MarshalN20 ✉ 🕊 15:37, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
I should add that Peru has also 3 additional records pages: Peru national football team records and statistics, Peru national football team results (2000–2019), and Peru national football team results (2020–present). So the results and fixtures do appear on the site, just requiring one or two more clicks. Just searching on Google also brings up the results quickly.-- MarshalN20 ✉ 🕊 15:40, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
And, of course, Scotland being the joint-oldest national football team in the world, they have a long fixtures record starting with Scotland national football team results (1872–1914).-- MarshalN20 ✉ 🕊 15:43, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Excellent, thanks for bringing this discussion here. As I mentioned in our previous chat, Fixtures and Results never came up in either of their FA reviews, the section was removed from the Peruvian page in 2009 but it was in table format back then rather than its current template. I have absolutely no interest in how the Peruvian team is doing, only that the national team articles are somewhat consistent, as demonstrated by my editing history. I believe that Fixtures and Results is a good section and should be included on the main page with the parameters that are set out on the template. The rest of my argument is available here! Felixsv7 ( talk) 16:16, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
I know some articles do include the last 2/3 years of results (though isn't that a WP:RECENTISM issue?), but I think it is much tidier if you include the match results in separate articles for each decade unless a team didn't play much then you could make it 20-30 years. That's my 2p and it avoids cluttering the article which is already full of tables and templates for squads and tournament results. The C of E God Save the Queen! ( talk) 07:52, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
By the way, how exactly is the "as well as any future matches that have been scheduled" not a problem with future predictions? I should also add that, while the past matches have "reports" that can at least serve for some verification (albeit that is also problematic for FA standards), the "future matches" do not have any reliable sources to support them. There's even an ongoing situation between Chile and Ecuador that may affect Peru's qualification ( [12]), so the "future match" being listed in the fixtures is clearly unreliable information. IMO, I reiterate that Wikipedia is not Google or a sports journal, so we should not display these lists in the national team encyclopedic articles...and we specially should not speculate about the future.-- MarshalN20 ✉ 🕊 14:38, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Awesome. Let's take a peek at the evidence available. So, after I made this comment, Felix quickly edited the Peru article to add sources for the upcoming matches ( [13]). Fantastic. But, let's take a look at other articles and see what's up. Mexico national football team has 11 unreferenced future matches ( [14]), Ecuador national football team has 9 unreferenced future matches ( [15]), Malaysia national football team has 5 unreferenced future matches ( [16]). And the list goes on. What does this indicate? I see placing undue burden or expectations on editors to keep up the verifiability of future matches, hindering the stability and source quality of the articles. All for what exactly? How is adding these lists of any encyclopedic value? How are we not turning these articles now into databases?-- MarshalN20 ✉ 🕊 01:43, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
an indiscriminate collection of information. Felixsv7 ( talk) 08:29, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
The national team page is neither an athlete nor an actor so that wouldn't apply. The only mention of a situation like this on the Recentism page is in the Talk page discussing live scoring - which I'll concede is pretty damn recent. Felixsv7 ( talk) 20:19, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Jmorrison230582's perspective makes a lot of sense to me. I also would like to further add that these "results and fixtures" are not and will never be highlighted in the introduction. What are we to write about it? "In the past twelve months, Scotland has won seven games, lost three, and tied four, with seven scheduled upcoming matches." And this has to be updated after every match or "confirmed" upcoming match? Not even in the history section do we write about every single match the team has played...because not all matches are relevant. Which leads me to the question no one has yet answered: Why are the past 12 months of matches relevant for the article? Moreover, what makes 12 months more relevant than 6 or 24 months? What makes months a more accurate marker than manager (as in, wouldn't it make more sense to list all matches under the current manager)? -- MarshalN20 ✉ 🕊 04:04, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
May I suggest that we add a "career highlights" section for very good or famous footballers? I have seen it on Jonny Wilkinson's wikipedia page and think it is a good idea. Please comment your opinion on this proposal. Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 13:30, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
On the nth of sometember he did a good thing. The prose career section should already be a summary of a career, with really momentous things appearing in the lead. Spike 'em ( talk) 09:12, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
sorry but this is a terrible idea. Giant Snowman 09:36, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Add me to the not in favour of this idea group. RedPatch ( talk) 13:50, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Ok. If you think it’s a bad idea, you also might want to get it off Jonny Wilkinson#career highlights’s page. Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 15:22, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Might we be proactive and semi-protect his article before the comedians start rolling in? There's already been one. Seasider53 ( talk) 17:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi guys, just wanted to remind you all of this particular sockmaster. He's pretty tenacious when it comes to evading his original block, but fortunately for us, he's pretty easily identifiable. He seems to use the exact same set of edit summaries every single time ("Added some new information" or "Added a new image", the former being especially ironic when he's actually deleting content!), and his usernames follow a fairly common pattern. I raise this here because his targets are usually football-related, although he does stray into pop music and reality TV every once in a while. Per WP:BANREVERT, we should be reverting this person's contributions on sight, regardless of how constructive they seem. If their contributions are actually any good, feel free to re-add them, but they should definitely be reverted first. Also, if you see any new sockpuppets like this, please report them at WP:SPI, logging them under the username of the original sockmaster, DJdjPollard15. Cheers. – Pee Jay 14:28, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Juventus site consider him (with no point) a first-team player (for example you can buy his shirt while you can't buy Miretti's). Should the article have the number he uses with the first team? Dr Salvus 12:48, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Not sure how it works, but I went to add the table too 1998–99 Willem II season season article, however the whole page got added from 1998–99 Eredivisie, anyone able to fix that? I don't know how. Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 09:54, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Me again. May I suggest that every major league (or at least the top five in Europe) has a position per round table on their page? It is absolutely driving me nuts that the Premier League and Bundesliga pages do not. I am currently making a Premier League one in my sandbox, so if somebody could make a Bundesliga one? Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 16:10, 16 May 2022 (UTC) ( talk • contribs) 16:03, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Ok. Today is really not going well for me on this talk page. Crystalpalace6810 ( talk) 16:47, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Someone else want to look at the article, I really don't like the edits that Mwiqdoh is doing, I don't like the repeated linking to derby articles, ( WP:OVERLINK)! I certainly don't like the (d) next to the score line which pops it out of alignment, I hate score-lines being linked up which messes with my voice reader for some bizarre reason. The scoreline won't be read out and it reads the link which is bizarre! :/ Govvy ( talk) 09:09, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
The "Results by matchday" section has a link for the derbies aswell which should not be there and i removed it now. Complete overkill/overlink and just made a mess of that section(s). Kante4 ( talk) 17:22, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
I created a quick template for that season, might need to be fixed up better. Govvy ( talk) 17:00, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
User:The Chumbo One just made a bunch of significant edits, undiscussed changes, and page moves related to the Catalonia national football team. The only edit I made was here reverting major undiscussed changes two weeks ago, but I am getting accused of making ideological changes. I am not sure what the consensus is for these pages but I thought it was important that the project was aware of these to make sure they were addressed properly. Jay eyem ( talk) 15:26, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Article titles are based on how reliable English-language sources refer to the article's subject. Your view on the translation of the official name in Spanish is irrelevant. Spike 'em ( talk) 21:03, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Took me a while, but I have found the conversation which I remember being discussed on this page.
I can't seem to think why we have an image like that on the Mark Bradley (footballer, born 1988) infobox, surely it should be a photo of him actually in a football kit or other football related job. I doubt this infobox image here is appropriate enough to be honest.
FYI: an article on my watchlist has had the picture changed from a football related one to one which is not. Given one of the responses from the archived conversation, I won't name that article and therefore left that alone for now so the revert is not in my contributions. In most cases, lead photos are of people in football kits or acting as a manager, not on their holidays or other out of football activities. These type of photos I think should reach a consensus on if they to be kept or not.
Option 1 - Keep the Mark Bradley (footballer, born 1988) and similar photos in there.
Option 2 - remove due to that being out of scope for not using football kit/manager outfits.
Cheers, Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 15:30, 18 May 2022 (UTC)