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The result was delete. There is no applicable inherent notability. Consensus is clear among established editors that the sourcing does not back up the claim that he's "quite famous in Bangladesh" and I'm shocked. SHOCKED! at the verbatim !votes. Star Mississippi 02:12, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Ashraful Islam Jhohan
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Procedural AfD. I've declined both a WP:A7 request on this (there's an obvious CCS) and a WP:G11 request (I don't consider it unambiguous spam). However, the subject is of very marginal notability despite the world records, and there's a legitimate argument that in these circumstances we should default to not covering a subject in the case of BLPs. Procedural nomination so I abstain. ‑ Iridescent 04:26, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Jhohan has a very distinct identity of himself not just because of his World Records but for his determination towards the sport- Freestyle Football. People of Bangladesh really look up to him as he is the first teenager from Bangladesh to make it to the Guinness Book of World Records. Jhohanfreestyle ( talk) 09:04, 9 May 2022 (UTC)— Jhohanfreestyle ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Keep - He has a huge popularity in Bangladesh because of the scene he has created for Bangladesh Freestyle Football. He has also performed in an UN event as the first Bengali Freestyler. I understand he doesn't have much notability in a global scale as Freestyle Football is still a growing platform and on top of that it is very much underrated in a country like Bangladesh. Despite that, he has managed to become the first self-taught football freestyler of Bangladesh which not only helped people to know about this sport but also get motivated to start training Freestyle Football like him. For this reason, I believe this article should be kept so that people can know more about who has created the freestyle football a thing in Bangladesh from Wikipedia. 103.200.92.252 ( talk) 09:37, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep- He's a Guinness record holder. Actually he has four records. He has pretty good coverage in media too which prove his popularity and enough to make him notable. The article is very well made. I don’t find any specific reason to delete.
Diptadg17 (
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- Being a Guinness World Record holder doesn't entitle anyone to a Wikipedia article. It needs to be shown that there is significant coverage of them in independent, reliable sources, as required by
WP:GNG.
Joseph
2302 (
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- Keep - He has a significant news coverage in Bangladesh which proves the notability of his identity and his achievements. Therefore, he definitely passes the WP:GNG and for that this article should be kept. Jhohanfreestyle ( talk) 10:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)— Jhohanfreestyle ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Being a Guinness World Record holder doesn't entitle anyone to a Wikipedia article. It needs to be shown that there is significant coverage of them in independent, reliable sources, as required by
WP:GNG.
Joseph
2302 (
talk) 10:11, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR6qJTnC49U - check this report on Arafat Rudro an emerging freestyler from Bangladesh who also broke a Guinness World Record, where he states Ashraful Islam Jhohan has inspired him from the scratch to pursue this line of sport and without him it wouldn't be possible. 103.200.92.252 ( talk) 10:01, 9 May 2022 (UTC)— 103.200.92.252 ( talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
"Comment" - he has his news covered by large presses starting from prothom alo ( click here) to dhaka tribune ( click here) which passes WP:GNG which proves he has a huge notability in Bangladesh and this page should be kept. Jhohanfreestyle ( talk) 11:06, 9 May 2022 (UTC)— Jhohanfreestyle ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Delete no evidence that they pass WP:GNG. Having Guiness World Records does not confer automatic notability, and so far as I can see, there isn't significant, independent coverage to pass GNG. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 11:12, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 11:42, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment the subject has appealed on a Telegram group for Indian/Bangladeshi wannabees, quote "Any Wikipedia writers here?", "My page has been proposed for deletion and it would really kind of you if you could give a KEEP vote in the deletion page of my page with a reason.." source: [1] 2
- Delete can't make the cut over on Verified Handles so unlikely to get anywhere on Wikipedia [2] -- 197.12.220.215 ( talk) 12:09, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Maybe a weak keep Google search string of
"Ashraful Islam Jhohan" -wikipedia -facebook -instagram -youtube -twitter
gave me exactly 5 results. However that's just the English google, some of the sourcing looks okay on the article, The Business Standard and Dhaka Tribune have in-depth stories for the guy. So those comments above that say there is no notability really should look at the sources if you ask me. Govvy ( talk) 16:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - I believe Wikipedia should keep Jhohan's article since he has numerous national Tv news coverage that are independent of the subject (Ashraful Islam Jhohan). The TV news reports are covered by - DBC News (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbRcnRwXEY0&t=1s), Channel 24 news (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2i-8708Sjk&t=73s) , Shomoy Tv news (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdADG44H3hg), Rtv News (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf6FLgmrLvo) and Maasranga News (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4RZaeCfRzI) . Not just news, he has enough notability as a Football Freestyler in Bangladesh that companies like Oppo, Berger paints and Apex have chosen him to star in their Tv and Online commercials. Moreover, he was also the star character in the Bangabandhu Gold Cup 2018 music video. He was also invited to do an exclusive interview with the CMO of Grameenphone, Yasir Azman in 2018.(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opXVeM7D6Aw) I believe all these sources proves that he meets the criteria of
WP:GNG and is credible enough to be kept in the Wikipedia website.
Zaratajmeen (
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- Weak keep - Apart from the world records i believe he has a notable presence in Bangladesh as a football freestyler. He can be considered as
Philip Warren Gertsson of
bangladesh and in my opinion and looking at all his sources I think this article passes the WP:GNG and this should remain.
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- @ Govvy, Joseph2302, and GiantSnowman: This explains why there are so many new user here. Can we remove all the canvassing votes from this page? For example "Zaratajmeen" has no contribution. "Sajid.nazmus " has no contribution in the past 6 months and suddenly activated. আফতাবুজ্জামান ( talk) 17:34, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep - Apart from the world records i believe he has a notable presence in Bangladesh as a football freestyler. He can be considered as
Philip Warren Gertsson of
bangladesh and in my opinion and looking at all his sources I think this article passes the WP:GNG and this should remain.
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- Delete no significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Fails
WP:GNG. I can read Bengali and there isn't any significant coverage in Bengali either. --
আফতাবুজ্জামান (
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- Comment I think you should check Bengali articles such as
[1]] ,
[2] ,
[3] ,
[4] and Tv news report covered by Bangla Tv channels starting from DBC, Shomoy, Channel 24 and many more mentioned by @
Zaratajmeen to have a clear idea about his presence nationally.
Jhohanfreestyle (
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- Those are interview, promotional type news (not independent of the subject). Quote from above "Having Guiness World Records does not confer automatic notability".
আফতাবুজ্জামান (
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- I think you should learn more about what are independent and non-independent sources in Wikipedia. This article clearly passes all the criteria for
WP:GNG and this article should remain. He being the First Freestyler from Bangladesh to achieve a World Record and winning the first national champion of Bangladesh doesn't prove his notability?
Jhohanfreestyle (
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- I don't think Bangladesh freestyle football championship is a notable event. English wikipedia doesn't even has any article for any country freestyle football championship.
আফতাবুজ্জামান (
talk) 19:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Not every event needs to be on Wikipedia in order to prove its notability. The Freestyle Football championship was held at Notre Dame College organized by a reputed club named OBAC, now just because Notre Dame College doesn't have a page on Wiki does that mean it is not a notable institution in
Dhaka? English wiki doesn't have any article for any country Freestyle Football Championship because Freestyle Football itself is a very underrated sport and in Bangladesh it is even more and that's why Notre Damme College was the first institution to organize a Freestyle Football championship for the keen freestylers of the country in order to inspire more teenagers to join this sport. Click here to watch the video. [click here
[5]]
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- You proved my point. It's still non notable event. There is no significant coverage. আফতাবুজ্জামান ( talk) 19:45, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Not every event needs to be on Wikipedia in order to prove its notability. The Freestyle Football championship was held at Notre Dame College organized by a reputed club named OBAC, now just because Notre Dame College doesn't have a page on Wiki does that mean it is not a notable institution in
Dhaka? English wiki doesn't have any article for any country Freestyle Football Championship because Freestyle Football itself is a very underrated sport and in Bangladesh it is even more and that's why Notre Damme College was the first institution to organize a Freestyle Football championship for the keen freestylers of the country in order to inspire more teenagers to join this sport. Click here to watch the video. [click here
[5]]
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- I don't think Bangladesh freestyle football championship is a notable event. English wikipedia doesn't even has any article for any country freestyle football championship.
আফতাবুজ্জামান (
talk) 19:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- I think you should learn more about what are independent and non-independent sources in Wikipedia. This article clearly passes all the criteria for
WP:GNG and this article should remain. He being the First Freestyler from Bangladesh to achieve a World Record and winning the first national champion of Bangladesh doesn't prove his notability?
Jhohanfreestyle (
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- Those are interview, promotional type news (not independent of the subject). Quote from above "Having Guiness World Records does not confer automatic notability".
আফতাবুজ্জামান (
talk) 17:47, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I think you should check Bengali articles such as
[1]] ,
[2] ,
[3] ,
[4] and Tv news report covered by Bangla Tv channels starting from DBC, Shomoy, Channel 24 and many more mentioned by @
Zaratajmeen to have a clear idea about his presence nationally.
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- Delete No significant, independant coverage of the subject, so fails WP:SIGCOV, as above "Having Guiness World Records does not confer automatic notability".— NZFC (talk) (cont) 20:20, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete and Salt-Promotional classic Conflict of Interest article. Plenty of votes seems to have arrived from a particular social media post by the subject. Vinegarymass911 ( talk) 16:20, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- • Keep based on his article made by The Business Standard i can say he has a huge impact in the Freestyle Football scene of Bangladesh and has encouraged/motivated other Freestylers to join the sport. Despite Freestyle Football not being a popular sport in Bangladesh Jhohan has flourished among the people of his country by the name ‘Jhohan Freestyle’. He has more than 100,000 followers on his Tiktok account because of his Freestyle Football content. He really has a big name in Bangladesh as he is the youngest Bengali to break a world record. 103.135.255.29 ( talk) 16:52, 10 May 2022 (UTC)— 103.135.255.29 ( talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Comment The subject was made to leave that message on telegram by some anonymous person who is constantly looking over this article since the day he posted a link of it in his social media platform. The person left a message on the subject's Instagram inbox that his page is proposed for deletion in wiki and in order to save it he should request some Wikipedia writers to vote on the discussion page, he also recommended the telegram group and the link to join to the subject. He not knowing the consequences and the rules and regulations of Wikipedia appealed on that group but little did he know that person was already in that group and he would take a screenshot of it to post it in here to demolish his page. Later he said he could save his page but he would charge some amount for that to which the subject didn't respond. "I wouldn't do this if had known only authorized wikipedian's can vote only." - stated the subject. He also stated, "I will be really disappointed if my page is being taken down after all what I have achieved and done for the Freestyle Football scene of Bangladesh." Now it is all up to Wikipedia to decide. Jhohanfreestyle ( talk) 07:59, 11 May 2022 (UTC)— Jhohanfreestyle ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Keep seems to pass GNG.--
Ortizesp (
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- • Comment If you all read his Bengali article [6] covered by the most renowned newspaper portal ( Prothom Alo ) of Bangladesh, you don't just learn about his Guinness World Record you also learn about how he had worked in his training day and night, sweating his lungs out as a college going kid in Bangladesh to become the first proper football freestyler of the country. There are quite a few articles written by renowned portals like Dhaka Tribune, Daily star and Prothom alo on his journey of becoming a football freestyler is because the most people know about football tricks in Bangladesh is how to keep the ball in the air for 10 seconds using their feet, which in other words we know as juggling/ keepie uppies. So in such a country if a little kid pops out of nowhere with professional freestyle football tricks like abbas around the world, homie touzani around the world, side head stalls etc which he all learned by himself, people are ought to go crazy about him and that's what has exactly happened in Bangladesh. All national news and tv portals, including renowned telecommunication brands like Grameenphone, Robi (company) and Banglalink went wild back in 2018 to cover his story. He might not be Ronaldinho or Messi but he is definitely being considered as Enrico Rastelli of Bangladesh, for him people of Bangladesh knows there are also other things you can do using a football and that too on your own. He obviously has gained significant media attention and coverage mainly because of his journey as a football freestyler because there was another man who has previously broken a world record but he hasn't received as much coverage as Ashraful, which clearly states he doesn't just stands out for his Guinness World Records but also for his hard work, passion and determination towards shaping himself up as a Professional Football Freestyler at such a young age who is capable of competing in international levels in the future. He is also recognized by The World Freestyle Football Association and is also the first freestyler from Bangladesh to do the trick Palle Around the World which is also acknowledged by the association. I will expand the article accordingly if the article is kept by wikipedia because people should know more about who shed light on Football Freestyle in Bangladesh and left a legacy for the future generation of the country. This indeed will be a very interesting and inspiring story to read for all readers only if the article lives. (And this is not a vote) In my opinion, I believe he passes all the criteria for WP:GNG for all what's mentioned, and all his stories were covered by renowned presses of Bangladesh which had no affiliation with the subject and intention to promote. It will be really unfair to him if the article is being taken down. Jhohanfreestyle ( talk) 21:18, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep He will pass GNG I hope so. He is very popular person in Bangladesh. He has got major newspapers coverage. He also got some certificate around the globe. So I requesting to the honorable admin panel to considered it avoid deletion. Salute all.— Preceding unsigned comment added by MD Hydrogen 123 ( talk • contribs)
- Which sources actually demonstrate he passes WP:GNG. There's so much junk from canvassed IPs/new editors, and I haven't seen actual substantial, reliable sources listed anywhere here. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 15:43, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment- @ Joseph2302 The sources are listed below:
[7] - Prothom Alo [8]- Dainik Samakal [9]- Prothom Alo [10]- Sarabangla [11]- Daily Star [12] - Dainik Azadi [13] Dainik Purbokone [14] Daily Star [15]- Dhaka Tribune [16] - Dhaka Tribune
These are just 10 newspaper article sources only. His story was covered by almost all Tv news media's of Bangladesh but I think TV news reports are not independent or reliable so I didn't leave the links here. Attaining world records might not confer automatic notability but if he has significant coverage by reliable sources multiple times about his journey of becoming a freestyler and attaining a world record wouldn't that confer automatic WP:GNG? If there are numerous reliable independent sources covering his story about achieving 4 World Records, wouldn't that be counted as significant coverage? Or just because they cover his achievements Only they are not reliable enough? I don't think there is anywhere written in the GNG guidelines that if the news are about any specific achievements/world records only it wouldn't pass GNG. Please enlighten me if I am wrong. Jhohanfreestyle ( talk) 18:43, 12 May 2022 (UTC)— Jhohanfreestyle ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Those are interview, promotional type news (not independent of the subject). -- আফতাবুজ্জামান ( talk) 19:26, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- Prothom Alo article elaborates the journey of becoming a Freestyler. It elaborated achievements and the behind the scenes of breaking a world record. How is that an interview? And how is that even promotional and not independent of the subject? These are not at all promotional type news. It is clearly written in the GNG section that works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it are considered as non-independent of the subject. None of these news were produced by the subject, none of them were paid and portals like Dhaka Tribune, Prothom alo and [[ Daily Star]] don't even produce paid articles. They solely cover credible subjects who are worthy of a mention. All these news are independent of the subject as per the definition of Wikipedia. They don't fall under advertising or press releases, I highly request the admin to go through them all. This man is constantly placing paid promotion tag on the article and trying to defame the subject. This is not fair. Jhohanfreestyle ( talk) 19:50, 12 May 2022 (UTC)— Jhohanfreestyle ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Agree with source evaluation from আফতাবুজ্জামান, which means he doesn't pass WP:GNG, no matter how much the article subject's brother complains here, and no matter how many times they try to use social media to canvass people here. The AFD closer won't be fooled by this massive canvassing campaign, when the actual policy-based discussion clearly demonstrates non notability. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 22:25, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm in agreement with আফতাবুজ্জামান and Joseph2302 regarding those sources provided still don't pass WP:GNG. I'd also ask that Jhohanfreestyle view WP:BLUDGEON as they are trying to dominate this discussion with their point of view to try save the article.— NZFC (talk) (cont) 22:34, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- • Keep He is quite famous in Bangladesh and one of the best free styler footballer of Bangladesh. I think this article should be kept.— Preceding
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- Yes, that's why he's asking people to vote here to save the article. :/ -- আফতাবুজ্জামান ( talk) 16:30, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- • Keep He is quite famous in Bangladesh and one of the best free styler footballer of Bangladesh. I think this article should be kept.he has passed WP:GNG — Preceding
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- Do you have any real sources that demonstrate that "He is quite famous in Bangladesh"? ArsenalGhanaPartey ( talk) 16:43, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete All of the coverage appears to be regarding their world record. Not sufficient for notabillity. NW1223< Howl at me• My hunts> 19:00, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ Islam Jhohan, Ashraful. "Message by Ashraful Islam". Telegram (software). Retrieved 9 May 2022.
- ^ https://verifiedhandles.com/vhid/37211419024
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The result was delete. There is no applicable inherent notability. Consensus is clear among established editors that the sourcing does not back up the claim that he's "quite famous in Bangladesh" and I'm shocked. SHOCKED! at the verbatim !votes. Star Mississippi 02:12, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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Procedural AfD. I've declined both a WP:A7 request on this (there's an obvious CCS) and a WP:G11 request (I don't consider it unambiguous spam). However, the subject is of very marginal notability despite the world records, and there's a legitimate argument that in these circumstances we should default to not covering a subject in the case of BLPs. Procedural nomination so I abstain. ‑ Iridescent 04:26, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Jhohan has a very distinct identity of himself not just because of his World Records but for his determination towards the sport- Freestyle Football. People of Bangladesh really look up to him as he is the first teenager from Bangladesh to make it to the Guinness Book of World Records. Jhohanfreestyle ( talk) 09:04, 9 May 2022 (UTC)— Jhohanfreestyle ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Keep - He has a huge popularity in Bangladesh because of the scene he has created for Bangladesh Freestyle Football. He has also performed in an UN event as the first Bengali Freestyler. I understand he doesn't have much notability in a global scale as Freestyle Football is still a growing platform and on top of that it is very much underrated in a country like Bangladesh. Despite that, he has managed to become the first self-taught football freestyler of Bangladesh which not only helped people to know about this sport but also get motivated to start training Freestyle Football like him. For this reason, I believe this article should be kept so that people can know more about who has created the freestyle football a thing in Bangladesh from Wikipedia. 103.200.92.252 ( talk) 09:37, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep- He's a Guinness record holder. Actually he has four records. He has pretty good coverage in media too which prove his popularity and enough to make him notable. The article is very well made. I don’t find any specific reason to delete.
Diptadg17 (
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- Being a Guinness World Record holder doesn't entitle anyone to a Wikipedia article. It needs to be shown that there is significant coverage of them in independent, reliable sources, as required by
WP:GNG.
Joseph
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talk) 10:11, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - He has a significant news coverage in Bangladesh which proves the notability of his identity and his achievements. Therefore, he definitely passes the WP:GNG and for that this article should be kept. Jhohanfreestyle ( talk) 10:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)— Jhohanfreestyle ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Being a Guinness World Record holder doesn't entitle anyone to a Wikipedia article. It needs to be shown that there is significant coverage of them in independent, reliable sources, as required by
WP:GNG.
Joseph
2302 (
talk) 10:11, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR6qJTnC49U - check this report on Arafat Rudro an emerging freestyler from Bangladesh who also broke a Guinness World Record, where he states Ashraful Islam Jhohan has inspired him from the scratch to pursue this line of sport and without him it wouldn't be possible. 103.200.92.252 ( talk) 10:01, 9 May 2022 (UTC)— 103.200.92.252 ( talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
"Comment" - he has his news covered by large presses starting from prothom alo ( click here) to dhaka tribune ( click here) which passes WP:GNG which proves he has a huge notability in Bangladesh and this page should be kept. Jhohanfreestyle ( talk) 11:06, 9 May 2022 (UTC)— Jhohanfreestyle ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Delete no evidence that they pass WP:GNG. Having Guiness World Records does not confer automatic notability, and so far as I can see, there isn't significant, independent coverage to pass GNG. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 11:12, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 11:42, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment the subject has appealed on a Telegram group for Indian/Bangladeshi wannabees, quote "Any Wikipedia writers here?", "My page has been proposed for deletion and it would really kind of you if you could give a KEEP vote in the deletion page of my page with a reason.." source: [1] 2
- Delete can't make the cut over on Verified Handles so unlikely to get anywhere on Wikipedia [2] -- 197.12.220.215 ( talk) 12:09, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Maybe a weak keep Google search string of
"Ashraful Islam Jhohan" -wikipedia -facebook -instagram -youtube -twitter
gave me exactly 5 results. However that's just the English google, some of the sourcing looks okay on the article, The Business Standard and Dhaka Tribune have in-depth stories for the guy. So those comments above that say there is no notability really should look at the sources if you ask me. Govvy ( talk) 16:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - I believe Wikipedia should keep Jhohan's article since he has numerous national Tv news coverage that are independent of the subject (Ashraful Islam Jhohan). The TV news reports are covered by - DBC News (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbRcnRwXEY0&t=1s), Channel 24 news (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2i-8708Sjk&t=73s) , Shomoy Tv news (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdADG44H3hg), Rtv News (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf6FLgmrLvo) and Maasranga News (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4RZaeCfRzI) . Not just news, he has enough notability as a Football Freestyler in Bangladesh that companies like Oppo, Berger paints and Apex have chosen him to star in their Tv and Online commercials. Moreover, he was also the star character in the Bangabandhu Gold Cup 2018 music video. He was also invited to do an exclusive interview with the CMO of Grameenphone, Yasir Azman in 2018.(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opXVeM7D6Aw) I believe all these sources proves that he meets the criteria of
WP:GNG and is credible enough to be kept in the Wikipedia website.
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- Weak keep - Apart from the world records i believe he has a notable presence in Bangladesh as a football freestyler. He can be considered as
Philip Warren Gertsson of
bangladesh and in my opinion and looking at all his sources I think this article passes the WP:GNG and this should remain.
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- @ Govvy, Joseph2302, and GiantSnowman: This explains why there are so many new user here. Can we remove all the canvassing votes from this page? For example "Zaratajmeen" has no contribution. "Sajid.nazmus " has no contribution in the past 6 months and suddenly activated. আফতাবুজ্জামান ( talk) 17:34, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep - Apart from the world records i believe he has a notable presence in Bangladesh as a football freestyler. He can be considered as
Philip Warren Gertsson of
bangladesh and in my opinion and looking at all his sources I think this article passes the WP:GNG and this should remain.
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- Delete no significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Fails
WP:GNG. I can read Bengali and there isn't any significant coverage in Bengali either. --
আফতাবুজ্জামান (
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- Comment I think you should check Bengali articles such as
[1]] ,
[2] ,
[3] ,
[4] and Tv news report covered by Bangla Tv channels starting from DBC, Shomoy, Channel 24 and many more mentioned by @
Zaratajmeen to have a clear idea about his presence nationally.
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- Those are interview, promotional type news (not independent of the subject). Quote from above "Having Guiness World Records does not confer automatic notability".
আফতাবুজ্জামান (
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- I think you should learn more about what are independent and non-independent sources in Wikipedia. This article clearly passes all the criteria for
WP:GNG and this article should remain. He being the First Freestyler from Bangladesh to achieve a World Record and winning the first national champion of Bangladesh doesn't prove his notability?
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- I don't think Bangladesh freestyle football championship is a notable event. English wikipedia doesn't even has any article for any country freestyle football championship.
আফতাবুজ্জামান (
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- Not every event needs to be on Wikipedia in order to prove its notability. The Freestyle Football championship was held at Notre Dame College organized by a reputed club named OBAC, now just because Notre Dame College doesn't have a page on Wiki does that mean it is not a notable institution in
Dhaka? English wiki doesn't have any article for any country Freestyle Football Championship because Freestyle Football itself is a very underrated sport and in Bangladesh it is even more and that's why Notre Damme College was the first institution to organize a Freestyle Football championship for the keen freestylers of the country in order to inspire more teenagers to join this sport. Click here to watch the video. [click here
[5]]
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- You proved my point. It's still non notable event. There is no significant coverage. আফতাবুজ্জামান ( talk) 19:45, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Not every event needs to be on Wikipedia in order to prove its notability. The Freestyle Football championship was held at Notre Dame College organized by a reputed club named OBAC, now just because Notre Dame College doesn't have a page on Wiki does that mean it is not a notable institution in
Dhaka? English wiki doesn't have any article for any country Freestyle Football Championship because Freestyle Football itself is a very underrated sport and in Bangladesh it is even more and that's why Notre Damme College was the first institution to organize a Freestyle Football championship for the keen freestylers of the country in order to inspire more teenagers to join this sport. Click here to watch the video. [click here
[5]]
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- I don't think Bangladesh freestyle football championship is a notable event. English wikipedia doesn't even has any article for any country freestyle football championship.
আফতাবুজ্জামান (
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- I think you should learn more about what are independent and non-independent sources in Wikipedia. This article clearly passes all the criteria for
WP:GNG and this article should remain. He being the First Freestyler from Bangladesh to achieve a World Record and winning the first national champion of Bangladesh doesn't prove his notability?
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- Those are interview, promotional type news (not independent of the subject). Quote from above "Having Guiness World Records does not confer automatic notability".
আফতাবুজ্জামান (
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- Comment I think you should check Bengali articles such as
[1]] ,
[2] ,
[3] ,
[4] and Tv news report covered by Bangla Tv channels starting from DBC, Shomoy, Channel 24 and many more mentioned by @
Zaratajmeen to have a clear idea about his presence nationally.
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- Delete No significant, independant coverage of the subject, so fails WP:SIGCOV, as above "Having Guiness World Records does not confer automatic notability".— NZFC (talk) (cont) 20:20, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete and Salt-Promotional classic Conflict of Interest article. Plenty of votes seems to have arrived from a particular social media post by the subject. Vinegarymass911 ( talk) 16:20, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- • Keep based on his article made by The Business Standard i can say he has a huge impact in the Freestyle Football scene of Bangladesh and has encouraged/motivated other Freestylers to join the sport. Despite Freestyle Football not being a popular sport in Bangladesh Jhohan has flourished among the people of his country by the name ‘Jhohan Freestyle’. He has more than 100,000 followers on his Tiktok account because of his Freestyle Football content. He really has a big name in Bangladesh as he is the youngest Bengali to break a world record. 103.135.255.29 ( talk) 16:52, 10 May 2022 (UTC)— 103.135.255.29 ( talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Comment The subject was made to leave that message on telegram by some anonymous person who is constantly looking over this article since the day he posted a link of it in his social media platform. The person left a message on the subject's Instagram inbox that his page is proposed for deletion in wiki and in order to save it he should request some Wikipedia writers to vote on the discussion page, he also recommended the telegram group and the link to join to the subject. He not knowing the consequences and the rules and regulations of Wikipedia appealed on that group but little did he know that person was already in that group and he would take a screenshot of it to post it in here to demolish his page. Later he said he could save his page but he would charge some amount for that to which the subject didn't respond. "I wouldn't do this if had known only authorized wikipedian's can vote only." - stated the subject. He also stated, "I will be really disappointed if my page is being taken down after all what I have achieved and done for the Freestyle Football scene of Bangladesh." Now it is all up to Wikipedia to decide. Jhohanfreestyle ( talk) 07:59, 11 May 2022 (UTC)— Jhohanfreestyle ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Keep seems to pass GNG.--
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- • Comment If you all read his Bengali article [6] covered by the most renowned newspaper portal ( Prothom Alo ) of Bangladesh, you don't just learn about his Guinness World Record you also learn about how he had worked in his training day and night, sweating his lungs out as a college going kid in Bangladesh to become the first proper football freestyler of the country. There are quite a few articles written by renowned portals like Dhaka Tribune, Daily star and Prothom alo on his journey of becoming a football freestyler is because the most people know about football tricks in Bangladesh is how to keep the ball in the air for 10 seconds using their feet, which in other words we know as juggling/ keepie uppies. So in such a country if a little kid pops out of nowhere with professional freestyle football tricks like abbas around the world, homie touzani around the world, side head stalls etc which he all learned by himself, people are ought to go crazy about him and that's what has exactly happened in Bangladesh. All national news and tv portals, including renowned telecommunication brands like Grameenphone, Robi (company) and Banglalink went wild back in 2018 to cover his story. He might not be Ronaldinho or Messi but he is definitely being considered as Enrico Rastelli of Bangladesh, for him people of Bangladesh knows there are also other things you can do using a football and that too on your own. He obviously has gained significant media attention and coverage mainly because of his journey as a football freestyler because there was another man who has previously broken a world record but he hasn't received as much coverage as Ashraful, which clearly states he doesn't just stands out for his Guinness World Records but also for his hard work, passion and determination towards shaping himself up as a Professional Football Freestyler at such a young age who is capable of competing in international levels in the future. He is also recognized by The World Freestyle Football Association and is also the first freestyler from Bangladesh to do the trick Palle Around the World which is also acknowledged by the association. I will expand the article accordingly if the article is kept by wikipedia because people should know more about who shed light on Football Freestyle in Bangladesh and left a legacy for the future generation of the country. This indeed will be a very interesting and inspiring story to read for all readers only if the article lives. (And this is not a vote) In my opinion, I believe he passes all the criteria for WP:GNG for all what's mentioned, and all his stories were covered by renowned presses of Bangladesh which had no affiliation with the subject and intention to promote. It will be really unfair to him if the article is being taken down. Jhohanfreestyle ( talk) 21:18, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep He will pass GNG I hope so. He is very popular person in Bangladesh. He has got major newspapers coverage. He also got some certificate around the globe. So I requesting to the honorable admin panel to considered it avoid deletion. Salute all.— Preceding unsigned comment added by MD Hydrogen 123 ( talk • contribs)
- Which sources actually demonstrate he passes WP:GNG. There's so much junk from canvassed IPs/new editors, and I haven't seen actual substantial, reliable sources listed anywhere here. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 15:43, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment- @ Joseph2302 The sources are listed below:
[7] - Prothom Alo [8]- Dainik Samakal [9]- Prothom Alo [10]- Sarabangla [11]- Daily Star [12] - Dainik Azadi [13] Dainik Purbokone [14] Daily Star [15]- Dhaka Tribune [16] - Dhaka Tribune
These are just 10 newspaper article sources only. His story was covered by almost all Tv news media's of Bangladesh but I think TV news reports are not independent or reliable so I didn't leave the links here. Attaining world records might not confer automatic notability but if he has significant coverage by reliable sources multiple times about his journey of becoming a freestyler and attaining a world record wouldn't that confer automatic WP:GNG? If there are numerous reliable independent sources covering his story about achieving 4 World Records, wouldn't that be counted as significant coverage? Or just because they cover his achievements Only they are not reliable enough? I don't think there is anywhere written in the GNG guidelines that if the news are about any specific achievements/world records only it wouldn't pass GNG. Please enlighten me if I am wrong. Jhohanfreestyle ( talk) 18:43, 12 May 2022 (UTC)— Jhohanfreestyle ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Those are interview, promotional type news (not independent of the subject). -- আফতাবুজ্জামান ( talk) 19:26, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- Prothom Alo article elaborates the journey of becoming a Freestyler. It elaborated achievements and the behind the scenes of breaking a world record. How is that an interview? And how is that even promotional and not independent of the subject? These are not at all promotional type news. It is clearly written in the GNG section that works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it are considered as non-independent of the subject. None of these news were produced by the subject, none of them were paid and portals like Dhaka Tribune, Prothom alo and [[ Daily Star]] don't even produce paid articles. They solely cover credible subjects who are worthy of a mention. All these news are independent of the subject as per the definition of Wikipedia. They don't fall under advertising or press releases, I highly request the admin to go through them all. This man is constantly placing paid promotion tag on the article and trying to defame the subject. This is not fair. Jhohanfreestyle ( talk) 19:50, 12 May 2022 (UTC)— Jhohanfreestyle ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Agree with source evaluation from আফতাবুজ্জামান, which means he doesn't pass WP:GNG, no matter how much the article subject's brother complains here, and no matter how many times they try to use social media to canvass people here. The AFD closer won't be fooled by this massive canvassing campaign, when the actual policy-based discussion clearly demonstrates non notability. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 22:25, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm in agreement with আফতাবুজ্জামান and Joseph2302 regarding those sources provided still don't pass WP:GNG. I'd also ask that Jhohanfreestyle view WP:BLUDGEON as they are trying to dominate this discussion with their point of view to try save the article.— NZFC (talk) (cont) 22:34, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- • Keep He is quite famous in Bangladesh and one of the best free styler footballer of Bangladesh. I think this article should be kept.— Preceding
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- Yes, that's why he's asking people to vote here to save the article. :/ -- আফতাবুজ্জামান ( talk) 16:30, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- • Keep He is quite famous in Bangladesh and one of the best free styler footballer of Bangladesh. I think this article should be kept.he has passed WP:GNG — Preceding
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- Do you have any real sources that demonstrate that "He is quite famous in Bangladesh"? ArsenalGhanaPartey ( talk) 16:43, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete All of the coverage appears to be regarding their world record. Not sufficient for notabillity. NW1223< Howl at me• My hunts> 19:00, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ Islam Jhohan, Ashraful. "Message by Ashraful Islam". Telegram (software). Retrieved 9 May 2022.
- ^ https://verifiedhandles.com/vhid/37211419024
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