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Some editors have requested the addition of some awards on a page I watch: Talk:Robert Lewandowski#Globe Soccer and iffhs achievements in 2021. I am unfamiliar with any of them: Globe Soccer Maradona Award, IFFHS Men's World's Best International Goal Scorer, IFFHS Men's World's Best Top Goal Scorer, and IFFHS Men's World's Best Top Division Goal Scorer. The former appears to have been voted on by Tik Tok users. I am not certain what criteria was used for determining the IFFHS awards. Is there a resource that lists the good and bad awards for easier reference? Something like Wikipedia:Record charts or Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources, which I use when editing music articles. A source like those would be useful here. It would also help in determining how to find sources for specific honours (such as whether a team member would or would not qualify for a Champions League honour) or which honours should not be included (derby wins are ones I frequently see removed).
Also, would someone please address the request for the addition of these four awards at? Walter Görlitz ( talk) 20:05, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
I know in manager stats, Cup matches that end in penalties are recorded as a Draw in the Stats Table, regardless of whether they are won or lost. Is there a link in the MoS that confirms this? I know I'm going to get reverted if I try to move them, so the link would be helpful. Thanks if anyone can help. I checked the Player article template, but there was only a player stats section. Thanks in advance. RedPatch ( talk) 23:28, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
I have reverted @ Immersive01: as it is clear that the Soccerway source is insufficient, left them a message, and invited them to join in the discussion here. Giant Snowman 13:04, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
Why is Soccerway source insufficient? Please explain as I'm baffled. Immersive01 ( talk) 16:35, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
Please advise how this match results situation is resolved? What do you need as evidence to prove Chesterfield Football Club had the results that have been stipulated? Immersive01 ( talk) 16:40, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
I agree that it's a draw, but this editor is determined to record them as wins to make him look better record wise. Since it's not in the player article template, I feel it should be, just not sure how to go about getting the consensus to confirm that. RedPatch ( talk) 22:12, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, due to COVID, it looks like Peter Krawietz may well take charge of Liverpool's game against Shrewsbury Town in the FA Cup tomorrow. If such a thing was to occur, would it warrant the creation of an article for Krawietz? REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 13:43, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Category:Non-English Teams in the FA Cup. I feel like this has been created before, but couldn't find a deleted page. I don't know if it's a suitable creation or not, just bringing it to people's attention. Seasider53 ( talk) 21:01, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello. In the 1980 African Cup of Nations, there was a Guinean footballer called Moussa Camara. He made three appearances and scored one goal for Guinea. The issue is that I can't find his date of birth. How would we disambiguate with Moussa Camara (Malian footballer) and Moussa Camara (Guinean footballer)? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 23:45, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
There are many footballers called James Brown, see James Brown (disambiguation)#Association football, most English or Scottish.
One such player is James Brown (footballer, born 1998), born in England but called up by Malta.
Another player is User:GiantSnowman/James Brown, Irish but also born 1998. Both are also defenders.
How should we disambiguate these two (when the latter becomes notable - I'm going to search for more sources for GNG now)?
Any suggestions appreciated! Giant Snowman 17:00, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
I think there are two players from one of the East African countries where day actually has to be part of the disambig. Geschichte ( talk) 13:20, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Today, he's returned to Juve from his loan. No one knows whether he'll play for Juve or Juve U23. Should he be put in the Juventus or in the Juventus U23 squad? Dr Salvus 12:21, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
93.34.90.232 ( talk · contribs) seems keen on wanting to keep the caps column in Moise Kean's international goals table ( dif), despite the information being unsourced, and not standard per the MOS. I think I might have already violated 3RR, so I'll sit down on this one. If anyone could help it would be nice. Nehme 1499 13:21, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello. What is the correct name for the top-level football league in Niger? Niger Premier League, Ligue 1 (Niger), Super Ligue, or something else? I can't find consistency in sources. Please help. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 06:20, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Ok, that's interesting, but back to the question. Have you seen any other names in sources? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 22:06, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Should we include FC Augsburg in the infobox of Marvin Friedrich? He didn't make any bench appearances for the club. He only played for FC Augsburg II. Note that he signed for FC Augsburg in €1 million transfer deal in 2016. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 19:00, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Please have a look. A.C. Cesena and Cesena F.C. clearly two clubs. the latter is a renaming of minor local club R.C. Cesena (r.c. means Romagna Centro). It just a year after the "new" club start to buy some of the assets as a "merger" and formally renamed to Cesena F.C.. Still AC Cesena and Cesena FC are two different name.
It is unlike Fiorentina or Torino or Napoli, they use a special clause Article 52 of N.O.I.F. to claim as official phoenix club. Cesena did not use the article 52 clause. The other clubs that does not use that clause , some of them fold again. Just like A.C. Ancona, U.S. Ancona 1905. There may be some merit to place the illegitimate phoenix club in one umbrella article , but that user just keep insist to perform bold merge and level 4 warning issued. WP:RPP rejected my request BTW. Matthew hk ( talk) 04:33, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Il 1973 rimane quindi l’anno di fondazione della Polisportiva Martorano che nell’ultimo decennio diventerà ASD ROMAGNA CENTRO.....In seguito al fallimento dell'AC Cesena da luglio 2018 l'ASD Romagna Centro diventa ASD RC Cesena e, grazie al sostegno di Cesena FC spa, inizia una nuova avventura divenendo così la prima squadra della città di Cesena. Un libro aperto con tante pagine ancora da scrivere.
Hello! Can you check the line-up image in this game?. I see that Arsenal has a 4-4-2 line-up I think they had a 3-5-2 line-up in that game. And one player's name is misspelled it should be Belsué and not Belsúe. Check the line-up image and see what you can do. Yours sincerely, Sondre -- 88.89.14.227 ( talk) 13:39, 11 January 2022 (UTC).
Just to check - a player in Category:Irish expatriate sportspeople in Sweden should not be in Category:Irish expatriates in Sweden per WP:SUBCAT should they? 89.101.121.132 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) cannot understand that and has accused me of vandalism for removing the parent category from the Aaron Drinan article. Giant Snowman 14:47, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Greetings. I´m editing Serie C players, and i found a lot of Palermo (Sicily) players. My question is, many of them have both categories, Footballers from Palermo and Footballers from Sicily, is this a overcategorization or not?. Thanks. Pincheira22 ( talk) 00:14, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Only one cat should be present in an article, but the Sicily cat is valid and should not be deleted. Giant Snowman 12:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
I'd like to know why user @ Crowsus: in 2021–22 UEFA Champions League knockout phase and in multiple previous European Football articles with the same contents added in See also the wikilink for previous and following season based on the same phase of the competition. Apparently, the See also section doesn't have the right to work like a navigating section <---- ----> like it, rather it should work like a section in which users add additional information. Templates below are sufficient to make users navigate through seasons.
Any thoughts?-- Island92 ( talk) 15:42, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated both of these articles through AfD process, on the basis that these were cancelled competitions as qualifiers for the 2022 AFC U-20 Women's Asian Cup and 2022 AFC U-17 Women's Asian Cup respectively, where all of the relevant information about the qualification process - that didnt happen - is already in the 'parent' articles, and therefore there is no need for 'daughter' articles on the qualification. Matilda Maniac ( talk) 07:45, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
If a player is released at midnight of the turn of the year from 31 December 2021 to 1 January 2022, should their infobox say 20XX–2021 or 20XX–2022? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 20:54, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
2021. Contract will have expired at 23:59 31 December RedPatch ( talk) 21:11, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
A player playing in MLS/Sweden/Ireland etc. - if they are released after the 2021 season, the end date in the infobox should be '2021', even if they for some reason leave later than that (as long as it is before the 2022 season starts, obviously). Same applies for players sold in the early stages of the next year. Giant Snowman 16:02, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Is anyone else getting déjà vu looking at these contributions? The page moves without consensus and focus on Saudi Arabia makes me think that it's Mhsohaib who I only know as User:Margheret and User:Lilianasri. I'm trying to start an SPI but I don't have anything solid. Does anyone more familiar with this long-term vandal notice anything that makes this a WP:DUCK or shows that it's in fact a different person entirely? Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:45, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Seriously? We need to know who the physiotherapist is for national teams ( Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/National_teams#Current_coaching_staff)? This has been taken to absurd lengths now. See Ghana_national_football_team#Current_technical_staff; we now list masseurs, video analysts and equipment officers? Why is it not enough to list the headcoach and maybe key assistants? Why not list water boys, towel warmers, and janitors? There's got to be a breaking point here somewhere. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 20:34, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Information should not be included in this encyclopedia solely because it is true or useful.Spike 'em ( talk) 23:48, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
A list of key staff for a professional club/national team is not 'indiscriminate'. Giant Snowman 09:39, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
I think that the key lies in the section heading: Coaching staff. Any positions not geared towards coaching players are not relevant to the section. Felixsv7 ( talk) 10:56, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
I have noticed that a number of players out on loan at non-league clubs have made appearances in the EFL Trophy for their parent club, e.g. Jake Hull and Aaron Cosgrave. Do the competition rules allow this (so the player remained on loan), or were the loans terminated and then re-granted? Giant Snowman 18:41, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Any player out on a long loan term at a National League, National League North, or National League South team can play as long as the loaning team agree to allow the player to return for the match.Spike 'em ( talk) 19:53, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
I think Sweden also has loan rules that allows players to skip back and forth between their main team and loan team. Geschichte ( talk) 12:37, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
I'm currently creating an article for a Colombian player which played in Deportes Quindío, a team which played in both the Categoría Primera B and Categoría Primera A during the 2021 season. How should we list it in the charts? BRDude70 ( talk) 14:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Club | Season | League | Cup | Continental | Other | Total | ||||||
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Division | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | ||
Deportes Quindío | 2021 | Categoría Primera B / Categoría Primera A | X | X | X | X | — | — | X | X |
Club | Season | League | Cup | Continental | Other | Total | ||||||
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Division | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | ||
Deportes Quindío | 2021 | Categoría Primera B | X | X | X | X | — | — | X | X | ||
2021 | Categoría Primera A | X | X | X | X | — | — | X | X |
BRDude70 ( talk) 14:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
On another note, could we stop adding the "Other" column unless we actually have something to insert in said column? I.e. not add "other" as default? Geschichte ( talk) 12:38, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Bergenoslo ( talk · contribs) is adding years to the stats table of Karim Benzema (lot of 0/0, see diff), where he did not made an appearance. I always thought to omit the years in which a player did not appear in a match for the national team. What do other editors think? Kante4 ( talk) 09:21, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
So like this? Still not a fan of adding years with (0/0) but i go with the result. Kante4 ( talk) 17:48, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
National team | Year | Apps | Goals |
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France | 2016–2020 | 0 | 0 |
Which sources for international matches can be used? Is eu-football.info reliable? Dr Salvus 21:10, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Agustín Rogel played one match for Toulouse B in 2020. I don't know where to put it in the infobox because he was then loaned out to Estudiantes de La Plata. Help. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 22:37, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
...are meant to be listed separately (effectively as a different team) right? I notice that's not the case on 2021–22 Aston Villa F.C. season, where they're counted towards total team appearances, and in the stats sections of the players involved this season. Haven't checked previous seasons, could be the case there too. HornetMike ( talk) 00:12, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
There is a discrepancy between the list of players at 2021 Africa Cup of Nations squads and the squad templates within Category:2021 Africa Cup of Nations squad navigational boxes. Can those editors who have been working on the article/templates - @ Microwave Anarchist, SuperJew, MonFrontieres, Ben5218, Ortizesp, Ampimd, Paul Vaurie, and محمد أمين الطرابلسي: - please correct what needs correcting? Giant Snowman 22:01, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising - you're all doing great work on this! Giant Snowman 09:35, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Saw this one a bit too late, I'm also busy IRL. After fixing Morocco's squad template (replaced Badr Benoun by Achraf Bencharki) I checked all squads' templates and compared them to the players' list located at 2021 Africa Cup of Nations squads, and can confirm that all of them are matched and updated now. Ben5218 ( talk) 11:42, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
I noticed on the Brighton article for this season that the game summaries include info about whether each match was televised (e.g. “Live on Sky Sports”). Apparently this is a thing that exists on multiple articles, but my question is, should it? – Pee Jay 00:42, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
I'm wondering if there is consensus as to what wikilinks, if any, we should provide for country names that appear next to their respective flags in lists? I ask as @ Crowsus: recently changed the links at List of Premier League winning players to reflect the countries' national associations, when previously they linked to the country pages where the FIFA code was used and were unlinked when the country name was written in full. I've also noticed that we're linking to national associations on our squad template. Was there consensus for this? It seems odd to me, as nationality and national association are not one and the same. With MOS:EGG in mind, I don't think most readers would click a link to Trinidad and Tobago, for example, and expect to be taken to our page for that country's national association. Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 00:55, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Do you think Cambodia women's national football team still meets WP:GA? Engr. Smitty Werben 03:44, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello. This club has a weird name. I need help finding it's common name for infoboxes & stuff - is it Chartres or C'Chartres? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 02:12, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Just wanted to notify the project that a couple of undiscussed visual updates were done today to Template:Football squad, which affected the look of all club squad templates (they all inherit the code from this template), which have not been touched for more than 10 years, I think. Pinging the editor @ Charlesaaronthompson: here just in case. -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 10:35, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
I have reverted the change - not because I have any opposition to it, but because it was undiscussed and affect hundreds/thousands of templates. We need to discuss and agree. Giant Snowman 11:41, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
On the page for Charles-Andreas Brym, in the infobox there is a section for both Lille II and Lille. Is the first team needed or can it be removed. He did go on loan, so would it be incorrect to show it "from the second team"? He never appeared for he Lille first team (not even on the bench). RedPatch ( talk) 16:00, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
The general editing trend is to REMOVE the club for which he has no appearances in this scenario. The player can be loaned from the reserve side, there is no issue with that. The reserve side is part of the club just as much as is the professional side; note that it's the club loans out the player. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 02:14, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, I want to ask. This user Skyblueshaun is editing the league table, but he put like (3 of 5 matches played) in update date text. Is that even necessary? Before, I always put only the date, even though there are several games not played yet on that date. What do you all think? Please enlighten me. I don't want to involved in edit war. Thanks. Wira rhea ( talk) 10:45, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
2021–22 Serie A#League table and 2021–22 Serie A#Results both use date... Giant Snowman 12:53, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC: Abolish the current version of NSPORTS. Giant Snowman 22:09, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello! I see that the template colours for the National squad templates have been changed without consensus or without discussing it. For example the Danish and Belgian and other templates have been changed numerous amount of times without discussing. Can you see if you can revert back to the established colours. Yours sincerely, Sondre -- 88.89.14.227 ( talk) 14:44, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello! The template colours on the national templates must they always be defaulted?. The colours should be for the team colours etc. There is always a foreground colour, background colour and a bordercolour. Regarding the Cameroon template colours or the Austrian and or Hungarian. And the chilean or Bulgarian if necessary. Yours sincerely, Sondre -- 88.89.14.227 ( talk) 15:37, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello! Can you add a section for personnel and kits for the 1990/91 and 1991/92 Football League First Division seasons?. It would be valuable information to have. As well as team captains as well. Yours sincerely, Sondre -- 88.89.14.227 ( talk) 16:03, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Hola, en la página Copa de los Balcanes 1929-1931 hay un problema. La plantilla utilizada en el cuadro donde describe los puntos y goles obtenidos por cada selección participante no es la que se debería ocupar ya que los puntos que dan son 3 por partido cuando en la fuente de RSSSF solo da 2 puntos por partido — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lanzaguisantes carnivoro ( talk • contribs) 23:32, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello! Can you check if you can get line-up images for European Cup and national cup finals?. For instance the Cup Winners' Cup finals from 1961 until 1963, 1969 until 1972, 1975, 1980, 1985, 1986 and 1989. English Cup finals from 1954 until 1990. UEFA Cup finals from 1972 until 1992. Yours sincerely, Sondre -- 88.89.14.227 ( talk) 16:17, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Can someone please take a look at the Eugenio Pizzuto infobox? He played for Lille from 2020 to 2022, but I'm not sure if he was part of the youth team, reserve team, or senior team. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 00:00, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
He's been embroiled in an age controversy, and the comedians are coming out to change his birthdate. May we protect the page?-- Ortizesp ( talk) 14:40, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Charley McMillan-Lopez signed for Prestatyn Town this week. A bit of a stir - his now deleted YouTube showreel claimed his playing for Wrexham and Braintree Town, and Wrexham fans on twitter claiming he was never at the club and goals shown on showreel scored not by him but another player. NFT shows him as playing for a bunch of clubs and replicated in the wiki article, but no references. I found evidence of him on the bench for one match at Ashford United and the web throws up a profile at East Thurrock. Also claims to have been at Port Vale, Ebbsfleet and clubs in Estonia and Albania. Anyone else able to find any sources to prove any of the other claimed clubs - including Darford, Sutton United and Tottenham as a youth player. Have provided more detailed references for the two international appearances for the BVI.
Oddly, since this all blew up, showreel removed along with his LinkedIn profile with claimed clubs - and Prestatyn Town have removed/ amended their original tweet Zanoni ( talk) 18:33, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Burundi women's national football team has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. - Indy beetle ( talk) 04:01, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Hey guys just put a request to move this page Talk:Dylan_Williams#Requested_move_22_January_2022-- ParkingTheBus ( talk) 01:43, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
It looks like there is a motion in progress to remove colors from the club and other templates based on this and this. Should FOOTY be concerned? I love having the colors but I don't know if I'm able to justify them properly. -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 20:32, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
A new proposal is now pending to add language to NSPORT providing, among other things, that "meeting [NSPORTS and NFOOTY] would not serve as a valid keep argument in a deletion discussion." If you have views on this proposal, one way or the other, please feel free to add your comments at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Subproposal 1 (NSPORT). Cbl62 ( talk) 14:44, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello! Can you check regarding team captains for different World Cup teams?. In 1990 f.ex USA used Tony Meola not Mike Windischmann as captain. Stuart Kennedy was used as Scotlands captain for two matches in the 1978 FIFA World Cup and Archie Gemmill was used as captain for one match. Fuad Amin was the Saudi captain for two matches in the 1998 FIFA World Cup. Mohammed Al Jawad was Saudi captain for two match during the 1994 FIFA World Cup. Georges Brégy was the Swiss captain the whole 1994 FIFA World Cup. Paolo Maldini was Italy's captain for the rest of the 1994 World Cup because of Franco Baresi's injury. Check the templates and the squads section. It is important that the teams have the right captains. Yours sincerely, Sondre -- 88.89.14.227 ( talk) 11:14, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Since this discussion didn't end in a clear consensus, can we get more input regarding the use of notes in the club career statistics tables for "National Cup" and "League Cup" columns?
Club | Season | League | National Cup [a] | League Cup [b] | Europe | Total | ||||||
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Division | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | ||
Celtic | 2019–20 | Scottish Premiership | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 1 |
2020–21 | Scottish Premiership | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 [c] | 0 | 2 | 0 | |
Total | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 6 | 1 | ||
Manchester United | 2020–21 | Premier League | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | — | 4 [c] | 1 | 8 | 1 | |
2021–22 | Premier League | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 [d] | 0 | 1 | 0 | |
Total | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 1 | 9 | 1 | ||
Career total | 7 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 6 | 1 | 15 | 2 |
Club | Season | League | National Cup | League Cup | Europe | Total | ||||||
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Division | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | ||
Celtic | 2019–20 | Scottish Premiership | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 1 |
2020–21 | Scottish Premiership | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 [a] | 0 | 2 | 0 | |
Total | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 6 | 1 | ||
Manchester United | 2020–21 | Premier League | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | — | 4 [a] | 1 | 8 | 1 | |
2021–22 | Premier League | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 [b] | 0 | 1 | 0 | |
Total | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 1 | 9 | 1 | ||
Career total | 7 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 6 | 1 | 15 | 2 |
I feel like the notes are definitely useful, and can't see how removing information is more beneficial than keeping it. The same way we have the league names, it makes sense to also have the cup names. Nehme 1499 18:27, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
I've created two drafts on Draft:Giuliano Simeone and Draft:Eduardo Oliveira (football manager). I think they're a clear case of WP:TOOSOON, although I'm not sure if any of them may be an article due to WP:GNG. Could someone evaluate this, please? BRDude70 ( talk) 06:09, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
I just came across this article and it is a complete mess and possibly the worst WP:NOTSTATS violation I've ever seen. It took me about 10 minutes to even work out what any of the columns represent. Can someone help fix this or is this just a case of destroying it and starting over. Microwave Anarchist ( talk) 19:33, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi folks. Haris Stamboulidis is quite a mess. Maybe someone is in the mood for a cleanup? :-) Robby.is.on ( talk) 22:55, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
Request for input at Danilo Pereira (footballer). The argument is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC or not. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 05:39, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi! I wanted to add the Summer Olympics squads (1908–1952) to the Sweden squads navigation box. When doing this, the "FIFA World Cup and European Championship finalists" navigation box disappears and a link to Template:Navboxes is shown. I've tried to fix this, but can't find anyting wrong. Would be nice if someone could take a look at it! // Mattias321 (talk) 15:59, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello. Does Jean-Marie Elie's twenty-three year managerial reign at UST Equeurdreville qualify for the list of longest managerial reigns in association football page? Even if it was an amateur club? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 05:37, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Is there any reason why the categories at Association football players by under-20, under-21 and under-23 national team can't be merged into the ones at Association football players by youth national team? We already have Olympic footballers by country, so I don't see the need for the under-X ones. The same goes for the women's categories. Nehme 1499 15:26, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Over the past week or so, there has been an effort to add BBC Premier League team of the decade as an official honour to player articles with the source being this: Premier League team of the decade: Who makes yours?. I do not believe it belongs because it is a poll among BBC readers and thus WP:USERGENERATED. I have tried to remove it per that policy for Sergio Agüero, the only applicable player in my watchlist, with pleas to discuss on the talk page. I keep being reverted with no discussion and inadequate edit summaries to convince me I am wrong. I also raised the issue on the Football/England taskforce talk page three days ago with no response. While the nominated players were selected by experts, it is ultimately just a popularity poll among fans. I have found no secondary coverage of this list being revealed by other reputable sources, only blogs etc. discussing it. If we include this as an official honour, where does it end? Why not Sports Illustrated's list or PST writers? At least those lists were made by experts. I appreciate hearing your thoughts as I am not a huge contributor to sports articles. Cheers, -- SVT Cobra 18:45, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:50, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Mediocre Legacy ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Can you have a look at his edits? He often violates this rule. What do we do with him? Dr Salvus 06:33, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
After it's been established which team they're talking about, they just call the team Milan: this is exactly what WP:ACMILAN does. Nehme 1499 13:37, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure in tables and templates we would continue with AC Milan. It's the same reason for which we link several times the same club in a player's infobox. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 17:36, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
While looking for sources for Wim Jansen, I found that the 1998 SFWA Manager of the Year award formerly attributed to him by Wikipedia is not collaborated by the award's website, which gives it to Jim Jefferies for winning the cup with Hearts. [8] How did this come around? Are the SWFA unaware of their own history, or did Wikipedia have it wrong for years? If somebody could find a contemporary report from 1998 it would put this to bed once and for all. If it was Jefferies, then all the stats on the award's article would have to be reworked 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:41D5:6D03:98C4:9007 ( talk) 15:57, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, just over from the cricket project. I have a first-class cricketer (Howard Moxon) who played one FC match for Cambridge University in 1960. This wouldn't make him notable by our inclusion guidelines, but CricketArchive says the following about him:
"He played for Enfield v Skelmersdale in the Amateur Cup Final of April 1967. He was selected to play for England at Amateur Football. By the time of the 1972 Amateur Cup Final he had become manager, and is noted in the programme as being a public school master. His football clubs included Walthamstow Avenue; Harwich and Parkeston; Enfield and Wealdstone where he was player, captain and coach."
Does he pass your notability guidelines? StickyWicket ( talk) 15:44, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Reposted and updated version of original now archived.
As main contributor to this article, I would like to flag up for attention of others on the project a number of candidates for the list that are already wiki-articled and known or believed to have been killed in or died as a result of circumstances brought on by the war (eg execution, in enemy captivity, effects of wounds etc) but which so far lack a reliable citation regarding their death which is preconditional to inclusion in the list. A few have no death circumstances described in the text of their article but I note have been put on category lists that suggest someone knew/believed they died in wartime circumstances. I also include those whose death circumstances are disputed - see their talk pages for further detail - and are in need of a conclusive ruling in or out.
There may be additions coming onto the list so I encourage watch this space! Others are welcome to add. Please let us know if sources are found and added into their articles. Cloptonson ( talk) 19:00, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
References
The Netherlands official website now lists Weigman as having won 99 caps. She was initially thought to have won 104 caps, but presumably five of those have been rescinded due to being against non-FIFA affliated opponents. In 2001, she was honoured with a shield for having reached 100 caps, with Louis van Gaal praising her. With the caps being rescinded, what is best the way to rewrite this part of her career? APM ( talk) 16:44, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
I have added a citation to a page in an "Aircrew Remembered" website for his death in action during WWII. However, I have got a red error message saying the opening <ref> tag is 'malformed' but I do not know how to remedy it after a few attempts to edit. Cloptonson ( talk) 20:47, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Can someone please page protect Amad Diallo? There is constant vandalism amid a rumoured transfer to Rangers. Nehme 1499 15:52, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi all - I'm at 3RR on Georgie Kelly regarding his signing for Rotherham United which has not been announced via a reliable source (yet). Note there is an article [12] which claims he has signed in the headline, but then doesn't specifically say it in the article text. There is also an article that the Yorkshire Post ran and then pulled. [13] It'll probably be announced in the next few hours, but in the meantime could some people add it to their watchlist? Cheers, Gricehead ( talk) 14:33, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 10:03, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
The page urgently needs protection. Many editors have changed their club following to a transfer rumour to Juventus Dr Salvus 07:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
We have an article on Joe White (footballer, born 2002) (defender, born 18 January 2002) and a draft on User:GiantSnowman/Joe White (midfielder, born 1 October 2002)]].
If/when the latter makes his debut and becomes notable, should we have Joe White (defender, born 2002) and Joe White (midfielder, born 2002) (my preferred option) or Joe White (footballer, born 18 January 2002) and Joe White (footballer, born 1 October 2002)? Giant Snowman 11:35, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
I see in the article on the Vienna club that Ernst Kaltenbrunner is listed as one of its 'Notable players' without citation or dates indicating when he played. The name links with the Austrian Nazi war criminal who was executed at Nuremberg. (His lifetime of 1903-1946 makes it theoretically possible for him to have played for them as a young man.) I find no mention of him playing football in his wikipedia articles even in the German wikipedia. If this is not be dismissed as a vandalism or joke to be deleted, if this man DID play for them then it would be illuminating if it could be mentioned years he was recorded to have played for the club and in what position, and to feed the detail into the biographical article. Cloptonson ( talk) 07:04, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Category:2021 CONCACAF Nations League Finals squad templates - only contains one template so far. Surely the tournament is too minor to justify it? Giant Snowman 16:39, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=National_Women%27s_Soccer_League&diff=1068533629&oldid=1067695812 I'll let the project decide if we pipe to support sponsored pitch names in league articles. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 06:37, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
I am experiencing issues with @ ItsKesha: at Luke Bolton - he has blindly reverted me, describing my edit as 'nonsense', but in doing so has simply removed a valid reference and undone my updating of the career stats box. Can somebody please review the article? Giant Snowman 21:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
I have started an RM on
Talk:Andy Fisher as to determine if that article meets
WP:PRIMARY
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC since I have noticed there is an
Andy Fisher (footballer) on Wikipedia as well.
Iggy (
Swan) (
Contribs)
15:39, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
I don't get this: (see Talk:Chico Flores) since when is that name a "nickname compound"? I was checking the talk page history and what has been discussed on a possible retitle. For what I know, I have always known his name as this name, though it has been a long time since he was playing in England. Ta, 46.149.249.106 ( talk) 11:29, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
I don't know what to do anymore. Nehme1499 continues to add notes to national cups that are against the MOS and have no consensus. I've already raised a discussion before on this channel. There was not a decision to include these notes as it's too busy and TMI. Yet despite this, Nehme continues to make these edits, and still the user wants me to raise this issue again. Nehme then tries to claim I am bold by making edits in line with the MOS. I am trying to assume good faith and I see a lot of great contributions on wikipedia that the user makes but at this point I am very frustrated that a user is saying I am not following Wikipedia:BRD when I am going by the MOS. Rupert1904 ( talk) 19:52, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
This page provides a suggested layout for footballer biographies [...] nothing is set in stone. Secondly, I had already opened a discussion here, and Felixsv7 agreed with me. There is no valid reason at all to remove the notes, as opposed to keeping valid and useful information. Why not remove the league columns then? Nehme 1499 19:59, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
dashiellx was specifically referring to the example table he made below when he said it was "probably overkill on [his] part"... Critical reading isn't your forte it seems. The notes don't provide useful information
: on the contrary, they indicate what the respective cup competitions are. Removing them for no valid reason at all is not helpful. These players might not even make an appearance in either competition
: so what? We don't remove league rows if someone doesn't play a league game. You then remove the cup from the footnote
: I don't recall ever doing that... And on the topic of "throwing numbers", I'm not the one using a discussion that clearly favoured using notes rather than not as proof to not use them (!!)
Nehme
1499
01:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
Critical reading isn't your forte it seemssounds like a personal attack to me. Spike 'em ( talk) 08:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
There's only one national cup and league cup per country (for the country's that even have a league cup) so this note is redundant
I agree with this. We should only add notes where ambiguity exists.
Robby.is.on (
talk)
12:42, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
There is a table on this page which has ordered the teams into a table with group-style points being added for knockout games. I have never seen this done for a knockout competition, club or international - given as they play different teams and therefore can't be judged on points like a group stage or a league. The "standings" page on the Confederation of African Football is only for the groups too [14], which indicates the source is "just trust me bro". I would remove it myself, but as an IP, there would be an instant revert for blanking a section. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:BC65:F049:501:3A00 ( talk) 14:23, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Issue with final ranking table below the page. Third bronze displayed multiple times. Why?-- Island92 ( talk) 19:57, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
In Category:Olympic footballers of [Country], should I include players that played for the Olympic team but not at the Olympics, but rather in friendly/qualifying tournaments? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 05:40, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
I notice on Will Grigg's page, his second place (runner-up) promotion from 2014/15 with MK Dons was removed from his 'Honours' section for not being notable. I see there have been numerous previous discussions on the topic of whether runner up/third place/playoff winning promotions are considered 'Honours', but I can't see if a consensus was ever reached. If the consensus is 'no', then there are likely thousands of player pages which require edits to remove them. In the meantime, I have re-added the honour to his page.
I am strongly in favour of these being included, for several reasons:
1. It is a promotion to a higher division.
2. Clubs receive a trophy or some other kind of silverware (e.g. a plate for L2 3rd place promotion). Playoff winners receive a trophy. L1 runner-up receives a trophy. Players involved in all of these receive a medal (e.g. a bronze medal for 3rd place promotion in L2).
3. ALL Premier League/EFL clubs that have achieved a runner-up, third place or playoff promotion list these achievements in the Honours section of their club pages. If it is notable enough to be included in an entire club's honours, then surely it is notable enough for an individual player.
4. Some (not all) websites include playoff wins and runner up promotions amongst player honours.
5. A runner-up for a cup competition is deemed an honour (e.g. EFL Trophy runner-up - player receives a medal), so a runner-up for a league which involves a player receiving a medal should be treated equally.
6. Having checked a dozen or so EFL official club websites (e.g. Bolton Wanderers), all list 'runner-up' promotions and playoff promotions in their 'Club Honours' sections.
Overall, this strongly leans towards these types of achievements being included in the Honours section of player pages. If consensus is 'no', then all club pages featuring these as honours, and obviously all player pages, will need to be edited to remove these (we're talking thousands of pages). FilthyDon ( talk) 11:18, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi all,
Most national team manager sections do not have sources. Is Transfermarkt considered reliable enough to use as a source for nations without the information available on their national team's website?
Using the Gambia as an example: Source
Felixsv7 ( talk) 08:01, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
Talk:FC Bayern Munich#Requested move 5 February 2022. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 21:27, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Was wondering how to handle the case of
Nathan Konstandopoulos in his infobox. He has played for Adelaide United since 2017. At the beginning of the current
2021–22 A-League Men season it was
announced that he is currently uncontracted with the Reds, but still training with them as he recovers from an ACL tear.
Today
the club announced that he has recovered, is cleared to play, and has signed a new contract until the end of the season. Should this be treated as two separate spells in the infobox (2017–2021, 2022–) or just one? And on the
club's season page, should it be a "transfer out" and "transfer in" or just a "contract extension"? --
SuperJew (
talk)
08:55, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
I don't do a lot with images so I ask here. Are images from Juventus site gallery protected by copyright? I've had a look at it but I've seen no information related to copyright Dr Salvus 13:45, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
The user acknowledges that all Contents (including, specifically, [...] photographs, [...] images, [...] any other material found on this Website) are the exclusive property of Juventus and/or of those who legitimately hold the related rights.Nehme 1499 13:59, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
I wanted to ask this last week, but whats with all the broadcasting rights and stuff? Isn't all the content pointless?? Govvy ( talk) 23:26, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
There is a discussion underway : Talk:Cristiano Ronaldo#Trophies of Cristiano Ronaldo, also previously at Talk:Gareth Bale#2016 UEFA Super cup regarding specifically the 2016 UEFA Super Cup, this game is an example of a player not being selected to play in the team or squad, but in Ronaldo's case being awarded a part of the first team and receiving an honours. The Ronaldo article refuses to give the honour to the player, this despite sources claiming the player won the trophy (e.g. Real Madrid Ronaldo page). This discussion has previously been archived, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 132#Re-posting this because it was archived but it wasn't entirely finalised and I want this debate to come to a final and definitive conclusion so that we can avoid anymore future issues regarding players' honours, however I would like a sort of recount of this vote, as the logic is simple - the player is awarded the honour for being part of the squad, only the player doesn't get a cap for not making an appearance. This standard should be across the board, e.g. Messi awarded 2006 European Champions league title based on Barcelona's website. These articles are factually based, going to a vote doesn't count for facts. There needs to be clarification, the ruling should be - if a player is awarded a medal, then it counts as a trophy, and it seems Real Madrid's webpage suggests Ronaldo was awarded 3 Super cups, making 2016 an honour in the list. I believe the Lionel Messi#Honours article better explains the situation with a note. As for Ronaldo, the reference is in place to add the honour to his list of trophies, it just needs to be verified with wikipedia editors. Can we please restart this discussion, and this time use a Wikipedia:Requests for comment (RfC) and not a vote. Cltjames ( talk) 23:50, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
As to the question about 40 players, the team will present medals to players and management in the stadium, then assign more medals to backroom staff and specific players who greatly contributed to the season, e.g. Messi's case in 2006 UCL. Ronaldo seems to have been attributed an honour on the Real Madrid website (and various sites including UEFA), and this should be fully acknowledged by the editors involved in the article in mention. Cltjames ( talk) 12:46, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
I think the point of this thread was to establish a reality that honours are awarded without an appearance, for instance Gareth Bale with a medal on instagram, or Real Madrid' website honouring Ronaldo. So this seems a bit of a stalemate, so the second purpose was to bring cohesion to the situation and explain, this correctly. Right now the Ronaldo and Bale articles do not explain the situation of being honoured a medal without playing, and this is being addressed and needs to be rectified to correctly represent the situation. Cltjames ( talk) 21:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
@ PeeJay: could you accept a type of note addition to the article as discussed before where a text explains the medal was awarded without a game being played ? And this should be observed by @ Kante4: and whoever is working the Gareth Bale article as a recommendation to correctly observe how Bale was awarded a medal for the 2016 Super cup, as right now there is no mention of this. Cltjames ( talk) 23:22, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Ok, I think you've helped the 'pro' honours supporters here in finding the Bale information, and frankly that's all that's needed to prove information should be added to prove the fact he was awarded a medal without playing. I am not too focused, frankly the opposite, why are you not focused on correcting a simple fact. And as for "based on nothing at all", sorry but the 'Real Madrid' website is the reliable source we must adhere to, if anything they've explained to us he honoured with a trophy for 2016 Super cup. We're going around in circles here, can we please honour this fact a player can have an trophy without playing, maybe in a form of a note if not directly showing the game in mention. Cltjames ( talk) 13:22, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
OK, fine, the stick is being dropped. Only it's unfortunate a key discussion can't be resolved in the case of Ronaldo and especially Bale who doesn't have a mention about the medal he won in 2016, there's a story that can be told there. My final suggestion is a note format explaining the situation regarding a medal without an appearance. Cltjames ( talk) 15:54, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm not exactly an expert on Maltese football so I'm not sure what trophies count as notable or not but I'm pretty sure that Floriana F.C. have no right to a trophy section that size. Could someone more familiar with Maltese football help out? REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 18:58, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
I think this talk page is nice place to inform about Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Reliability of kooora.com Personally, I have no idea about this source. Cheers, -- SVT Cobra 04:42, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Hello! Can you add a section for stadiums and personnel and kits for the First Division from 1989 until 1992. Yours sincerely, Sondre -- 88.89.14.227 ( talk) 15:00, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
@ 88.89.14.227: What PeeJay is trying to say is that it is a big task which can't just be added overnight. You can feel free to help though. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 11:26, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Can anyone please find (or know where to find) this player's A.F.C. Totton stats? Last entry read 0/0, but i doubt very much he had that over FOUR seasons; Soccerbase shows nothing in that regard, surprisingly or not...
Kind regards, thanks in advance -- 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 16:43, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
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Some editors have requested the addition of some awards on a page I watch: Talk:Robert Lewandowski#Globe Soccer and iffhs achievements in 2021. I am unfamiliar with any of them: Globe Soccer Maradona Award, IFFHS Men's World's Best International Goal Scorer, IFFHS Men's World's Best Top Goal Scorer, and IFFHS Men's World's Best Top Division Goal Scorer. The former appears to have been voted on by Tik Tok users. I am not certain what criteria was used for determining the IFFHS awards. Is there a resource that lists the good and bad awards for easier reference? Something like Wikipedia:Record charts or Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources, which I use when editing music articles. A source like those would be useful here. It would also help in determining how to find sources for specific honours (such as whether a team member would or would not qualify for a Champions League honour) or which honours should not be included (derby wins are ones I frequently see removed).
Also, would someone please address the request for the addition of these four awards at? Walter Görlitz ( talk) 20:05, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
I know in manager stats, Cup matches that end in penalties are recorded as a Draw in the Stats Table, regardless of whether they are won or lost. Is there a link in the MoS that confirms this? I know I'm going to get reverted if I try to move them, so the link would be helpful. Thanks if anyone can help. I checked the Player article template, but there was only a player stats section. Thanks in advance. RedPatch ( talk) 23:28, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
I have reverted @ Immersive01: as it is clear that the Soccerway source is insufficient, left them a message, and invited them to join in the discussion here. Giant Snowman 13:04, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
Why is Soccerway source insufficient? Please explain as I'm baffled. Immersive01 ( talk) 16:35, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
Please advise how this match results situation is resolved? What do you need as evidence to prove Chesterfield Football Club had the results that have been stipulated? Immersive01 ( talk) 16:40, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
I agree that it's a draw, but this editor is determined to record them as wins to make him look better record wise. Since it's not in the player article template, I feel it should be, just not sure how to go about getting the consensus to confirm that. RedPatch ( talk) 22:12, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, due to COVID, it looks like Peter Krawietz may well take charge of Liverpool's game against Shrewsbury Town in the FA Cup tomorrow. If such a thing was to occur, would it warrant the creation of an article for Krawietz? REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 13:43, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Category:Non-English Teams in the FA Cup. I feel like this has been created before, but couldn't find a deleted page. I don't know if it's a suitable creation or not, just bringing it to people's attention. Seasider53 ( talk) 21:01, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello. In the 1980 African Cup of Nations, there was a Guinean footballer called Moussa Camara. He made three appearances and scored one goal for Guinea. The issue is that I can't find his date of birth. How would we disambiguate with Moussa Camara (Malian footballer) and Moussa Camara (Guinean footballer)? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 23:45, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
There are many footballers called James Brown, see James Brown (disambiguation)#Association football, most English or Scottish.
One such player is James Brown (footballer, born 1998), born in England but called up by Malta.
Another player is User:GiantSnowman/James Brown, Irish but also born 1998. Both are also defenders.
How should we disambiguate these two (when the latter becomes notable - I'm going to search for more sources for GNG now)?
Any suggestions appreciated! Giant Snowman 17:00, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
I think there are two players from one of the East African countries where day actually has to be part of the disambig. Geschichte ( talk) 13:20, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Today, he's returned to Juve from his loan. No one knows whether he'll play for Juve or Juve U23. Should he be put in the Juventus or in the Juventus U23 squad? Dr Salvus 12:21, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
93.34.90.232 ( talk · contribs) seems keen on wanting to keep the caps column in Moise Kean's international goals table ( dif), despite the information being unsourced, and not standard per the MOS. I think I might have already violated 3RR, so I'll sit down on this one. If anyone could help it would be nice. Nehme 1499 13:21, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello. What is the correct name for the top-level football league in Niger? Niger Premier League, Ligue 1 (Niger), Super Ligue, or something else? I can't find consistency in sources. Please help. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 06:20, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Ok, that's interesting, but back to the question. Have you seen any other names in sources? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 22:06, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Should we include FC Augsburg in the infobox of Marvin Friedrich? He didn't make any bench appearances for the club. He only played for FC Augsburg II. Note that he signed for FC Augsburg in €1 million transfer deal in 2016. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 19:00, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Please have a look. A.C. Cesena and Cesena F.C. clearly two clubs. the latter is a renaming of minor local club R.C. Cesena (r.c. means Romagna Centro). It just a year after the "new" club start to buy some of the assets as a "merger" and formally renamed to Cesena F.C.. Still AC Cesena and Cesena FC are two different name.
It is unlike Fiorentina or Torino or Napoli, they use a special clause Article 52 of N.O.I.F. to claim as official phoenix club. Cesena did not use the article 52 clause. The other clubs that does not use that clause , some of them fold again. Just like A.C. Ancona, U.S. Ancona 1905. There may be some merit to place the illegitimate phoenix club in one umbrella article , but that user just keep insist to perform bold merge and level 4 warning issued. WP:RPP rejected my request BTW. Matthew hk ( talk) 04:33, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Il 1973 rimane quindi l’anno di fondazione della Polisportiva Martorano che nell’ultimo decennio diventerà ASD ROMAGNA CENTRO.....In seguito al fallimento dell'AC Cesena da luglio 2018 l'ASD Romagna Centro diventa ASD RC Cesena e, grazie al sostegno di Cesena FC spa, inizia una nuova avventura divenendo così la prima squadra della città di Cesena. Un libro aperto con tante pagine ancora da scrivere.
Hello! Can you check the line-up image in this game?. I see that Arsenal has a 4-4-2 line-up I think they had a 3-5-2 line-up in that game. And one player's name is misspelled it should be Belsué and not Belsúe. Check the line-up image and see what you can do. Yours sincerely, Sondre -- 88.89.14.227 ( talk) 13:39, 11 January 2022 (UTC).
Just to check - a player in Category:Irish expatriate sportspeople in Sweden should not be in Category:Irish expatriates in Sweden per WP:SUBCAT should they? 89.101.121.132 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) cannot understand that and has accused me of vandalism for removing the parent category from the Aaron Drinan article. Giant Snowman 14:47, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Greetings. I´m editing Serie C players, and i found a lot of Palermo (Sicily) players. My question is, many of them have both categories, Footballers from Palermo and Footballers from Sicily, is this a overcategorization or not?. Thanks. Pincheira22 ( talk) 00:14, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Only one cat should be present in an article, but the Sicily cat is valid and should not be deleted. Giant Snowman 12:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
I'd like to know why user @ Crowsus: in 2021–22 UEFA Champions League knockout phase and in multiple previous European Football articles with the same contents added in See also the wikilink for previous and following season based on the same phase of the competition. Apparently, the See also section doesn't have the right to work like a navigating section <---- ----> like it, rather it should work like a section in which users add additional information. Templates below are sufficient to make users navigate through seasons.
Any thoughts?-- Island92 ( talk) 15:42, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated both of these articles through AfD process, on the basis that these were cancelled competitions as qualifiers for the 2022 AFC U-20 Women's Asian Cup and 2022 AFC U-17 Women's Asian Cup respectively, where all of the relevant information about the qualification process - that didnt happen - is already in the 'parent' articles, and therefore there is no need for 'daughter' articles on the qualification. Matilda Maniac ( talk) 07:45, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
If a player is released at midnight of the turn of the year from 31 December 2021 to 1 January 2022, should their infobox say 20XX–2021 or 20XX–2022? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 20:54, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
2021. Contract will have expired at 23:59 31 December RedPatch ( talk) 21:11, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
A player playing in MLS/Sweden/Ireland etc. - if they are released after the 2021 season, the end date in the infobox should be '2021', even if they for some reason leave later than that (as long as it is before the 2022 season starts, obviously). Same applies for players sold in the early stages of the next year. Giant Snowman 16:02, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Is anyone else getting déjà vu looking at these contributions? The page moves without consensus and focus on Saudi Arabia makes me think that it's Mhsohaib who I only know as User:Margheret and User:Lilianasri. I'm trying to start an SPI but I don't have anything solid. Does anyone more familiar with this long-term vandal notice anything that makes this a WP:DUCK or shows that it's in fact a different person entirely? Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:45, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Seriously? We need to know who the physiotherapist is for national teams ( Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/National_teams#Current_coaching_staff)? This has been taken to absurd lengths now. See Ghana_national_football_team#Current_technical_staff; we now list masseurs, video analysts and equipment officers? Why is it not enough to list the headcoach and maybe key assistants? Why not list water boys, towel warmers, and janitors? There's got to be a breaking point here somewhere. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 20:34, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Information should not be included in this encyclopedia solely because it is true or useful.Spike 'em ( talk) 23:48, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
A list of key staff for a professional club/national team is not 'indiscriminate'. Giant Snowman 09:39, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
I think that the key lies in the section heading: Coaching staff. Any positions not geared towards coaching players are not relevant to the section. Felixsv7 ( talk) 10:56, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
I have noticed that a number of players out on loan at non-league clubs have made appearances in the EFL Trophy for their parent club, e.g. Jake Hull and Aaron Cosgrave. Do the competition rules allow this (so the player remained on loan), or were the loans terminated and then re-granted? Giant Snowman 18:41, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Any player out on a long loan term at a National League, National League North, or National League South team can play as long as the loaning team agree to allow the player to return for the match.Spike 'em ( talk) 19:53, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
I think Sweden also has loan rules that allows players to skip back and forth between their main team and loan team. Geschichte ( talk) 12:37, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
I'm currently creating an article for a Colombian player which played in Deportes Quindío, a team which played in both the Categoría Primera B and Categoría Primera A during the 2021 season. How should we list it in the charts? BRDude70 ( talk) 14:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Club | Season | League | Cup | Continental | Other | Total | ||||||
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Division | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | ||
Deportes Quindío | 2021 | Categoría Primera B / Categoría Primera A | X | X | X | X | — | — | X | X |
Club | Season | League | Cup | Continental | Other | Total | ||||||
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Division | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | ||
Deportes Quindío | 2021 | Categoría Primera B | X | X | X | X | — | — | X | X | ||
2021 | Categoría Primera A | X | X | X | X | — | — | X | X |
BRDude70 ( talk) 14:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
On another note, could we stop adding the "Other" column unless we actually have something to insert in said column? I.e. not add "other" as default? Geschichte ( talk) 12:38, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Bergenoslo ( talk · contribs) is adding years to the stats table of Karim Benzema (lot of 0/0, see diff), where he did not made an appearance. I always thought to omit the years in which a player did not appear in a match for the national team. What do other editors think? Kante4 ( talk) 09:21, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
So like this? Still not a fan of adding years with (0/0) but i go with the result. Kante4 ( talk) 17:48, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
National team | Year | Apps | Goals |
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France | 2016–2020 | 0 | 0 |
Which sources for international matches can be used? Is eu-football.info reliable? Dr Salvus 21:10, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Agustín Rogel played one match for Toulouse B in 2020. I don't know where to put it in the infobox because he was then loaned out to Estudiantes de La Plata. Help. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 22:37, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
...are meant to be listed separately (effectively as a different team) right? I notice that's not the case on 2021–22 Aston Villa F.C. season, where they're counted towards total team appearances, and in the stats sections of the players involved this season. Haven't checked previous seasons, could be the case there too. HornetMike ( talk) 00:12, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
There is a discrepancy between the list of players at 2021 Africa Cup of Nations squads and the squad templates within Category:2021 Africa Cup of Nations squad navigational boxes. Can those editors who have been working on the article/templates - @ Microwave Anarchist, SuperJew, MonFrontieres, Ben5218, Ortizesp, Ampimd, Paul Vaurie, and محمد أمين الطرابلسي: - please correct what needs correcting? Giant Snowman 22:01, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising - you're all doing great work on this! Giant Snowman 09:35, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Saw this one a bit too late, I'm also busy IRL. After fixing Morocco's squad template (replaced Badr Benoun by Achraf Bencharki) I checked all squads' templates and compared them to the players' list located at 2021 Africa Cup of Nations squads, and can confirm that all of them are matched and updated now. Ben5218 ( talk) 11:42, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
I noticed on the Brighton article for this season that the game summaries include info about whether each match was televised (e.g. “Live on Sky Sports”). Apparently this is a thing that exists on multiple articles, but my question is, should it? – Pee Jay 00:42, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
I'm wondering if there is consensus as to what wikilinks, if any, we should provide for country names that appear next to their respective flags in lists? I ask as @ Crowsus: recently changed the links at List of Premier League winning players to reflect the countries' national associations, when previously they linked to the country pages where the FIFA code was used and were unlinked when the country name was written in full. I've also noticed that we're linking to national associations on our squad template. Was there consensus for this? It seems odd to me, as nationality and national association are not one and the same. With MOS:EGG in mind, I don't think most readers would click a link to Trinidad and Tobago, for example, and expect to be taken to our page for that country's national association. Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 00:55, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Do you think Cambodia women's national football team still meets WP:GA? Engr. Smitty Werben 03:44, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello. This club has a weird name. I need help finding it's common name for infoboxes & stuff - is it Chartres or C'Chartres? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 02:12, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Just wanted to notify the project that a couple of undiscussed visual updates were done today to Template:Football squad, which affected the look of all club squad templates (they all inherit the code from this template), which have not been touched for more than 10 years, I think. Pinging the editor @ Charlesaaronthompson: here just in case. -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 10:35, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
I have reverted the change - not because I have any opposition to it, but because it was undiscussed and affect hundreds/thousands of templates. We need to discuss and agree. Giant Snowman 11:41, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
On the page for Charles-Andreas Brym, in the infobox there is a section for both Lille II and Lille. Is the first team needed or can it be removed. He did go on loan, so would it be incorrect to show it "from the second team"? He never appeared for he Lille first team (not even on the bench). RedPatch ( talk) 16:00, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
The general editing trend is to REMOVE the club for which he has no appearances in this scenario. The player can be loaned from the reserve side, there is no issue with that. The reserve side is part of the club just as much as is the professional side; note that it's the club loans out the player. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 02:14, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, I want to ask. This user Skyblueshaun is editing the league table, but he put like (3 of 5 matches played) in update date text. Is that even necessary? Before, I always put only the date, even though there are several games not played yet on that date. What do you all think? Please enlighten me. I don't want to involved in edit war. Thanks. Wira rhea ( talk) 10:45, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
2021–22 Serie A#League table and 2021–22 Serie A#Results both use date... Giant Snowman 12:53, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC: Abolish the current version of NSPORTS. Giant Snowman 22:09, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello! I see that the template colours for the National squad templates have been changed without consensus or without discussing it. For example the Danish and Belgian and other templates have been changed numerous amount of times without discussing. Can you see if you can revert back to the established colours. Yours sincerely, Sondre -- 88.89.14.227 ( talk) 14:44, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello! The template colours on the national templates must they always be defaulted?. The colours should be for the team colours etc. There is always a foreground colour, background colour and a bordercolour. Regarding the Cameroon template colours or the Austrian and or Hungarian. And the chilean or Bulgarian if necessary. Yours sincerely, Sondre -- 88.89.14.227 ( talk) 15:37, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello! Can you add a section for personnel and kits for the 1990/91 and 1991/92 Football League First Division seasons?. It would be valuable information to have. As well as team captains as well. Yours sincerely, Sondre -- 88.89.14.227 ( talk) 16:03, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Hola, en la página Copa de los Balcanes 1929-1931 hay un problema. La plantilla utilizada en el cuadro donde describe los puntos y goles obtenidos por cada selección participante no es la que se debería ocupar ya que los puntos que dan son 3 por partido cuando en la fuente de RSSSF solo da 2 puntos por partido — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lanzaguisantes carnivoro ( talk • contribs) 23:32, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello! Can you check if you can get line-up images for European Cup and national cup finals?. For instance the Cup Winners' Cup finals from 1961 until 1963, 1969 until 1972, 1975, 1980, 1985, 1986 and 1989. English Cup finals from 1954 until 1990. UEFA Cup finals from 1972 until 1992. Yours sincerely, Sondre -- 88.89.14.227 ( talk) 16:17, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Can someone please take a look at the Eugenio Pizzuto infobox? He played for Lille from 2020 to 2022, but I'm not sure if he was part of the youth team, reserve team, or senior team. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 00:00, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
He's been embroiled in an age controversy, and the comedians are coming out to change his birthdate. May we protect the page?-- Ortizesp ( talk) 14:40, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Charley McMillan-Lopez signed for Prestatyn Town this week. A bit of a stir - his now deleted YouTube showreel claimed his playing for Wrexham and Braintree Town, and Wrexham fans on twitter claiming he was never at the club and goals shown on showreel scored not by him but another player. NFT shows him as playing for a bunch of clubs and replicated in the wiki article, but no references. I found evidence of him on the bench for one match at Ashford United and the web throws up a profile at East Thurrock. Also claims to have been at Port Vale, Ebbsfleet and clubs in Estonia and Albania. Anyone else able to find any sources to prove any of the other claimed clubs - including Darford, Sutton United and Tottenham as a youth player. Have provided more detailed references for the two international appearances for the BVI.
Oddly, since this all blew up, showreel removed along with his LinkedIn profile with claimed clubs - and Prestatyn Town have removed/ amended their original tweet Zanoni ( talk) 18:33, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Burundi women's national football team has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. - Indy beetle ( talk) 04:01, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Hey guys just put a request to move this page Talk:Dylan_Williams#Requested_move_22_January_2022-- ParkingTheBus ( talk) 01:43, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
It looks like there is a motion in progress to remove colors from the club and other templates based on this and this. Should FOOTY be concerned? I love having the colors but I don't know if I'm able to justify them properly. -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 20:32, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
A new proposal is now pending to add language to NSPORT providing, among other things, that "meeting [NSPORTS and NFOOTY] would not serve as a valid keep argument in a deletion discussion." If you have views on this proposal, one way or the other, please feel free to add your comments at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Subproposal 1 (NSPORT). Cbl62 ( talk) 14:44, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello! Can you check regarding team captains for different World Cup teams?. In 1990 f.ex USA used Tony Meola not Mike Windischmann as captain. Stuart Kennedy was used as Scotlands captain for two matches in the 1978 FIFA World Cup and Archie Gemmill was used as captain for one match. Fuad Amin was the Saudi captain for two matches in the 1998 FIFA World Cup. Mohammed Al Jawad was Saudi captain for two match during the 1994 FIFA World Cup. Georges Brégy was the Swiss captain the whole 1994 FIFA World Cup. Paolo Maldini was Italy's captain for the rest of the 1994 World Cup because of Franco Baresi's injury. Check the templates and the squads section. It is important that the teams have the right captains. Yours sincerely, Sondre -- 88.89.14.227 ( talk) 11:14, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Since this discussion didn't end in a clear consensus, can we get more input regarding the use of notes in the club career statistics tables for "National Cup" and "League Cup" columns?
Club | Season | League | National Cup [a] | League Cup [b] | Europe | Total | ||||||
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Division | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | ||
Celtic | 2019–20 | Scottish Premiership | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 1 |
2020–21 | Scottish Premiership | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 [c] | 0 | 2 | 0 | |
Total | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 6 | 1 | ||
Manchester United | 2020–21 | Premier League | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | — | 4 [c] | 1 | 8 | 1 | |
2021–22 | Premier League | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 [d] | 0 | 1 | 0 | |
Total | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 1 | 9 | 1 | ||
Career total | 7 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 6 | 1 | 15 | 2 |
Club | Season | League | National Cup | League Cup | Europe | Total | ||||||
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Division | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | ||
Celtic | 2019–20 | Scottish Premiership | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 1 |
2020–21 | Scottish Premiership | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 [a] | 0 | 2 | 0 | |
Total | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 6 | 1 | ||
Manchester United | 2020–21 | Premier League | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | — | 4 [a] | 1 | 8 | 1 | |
2021–22 | Premier League | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 [b] | 0 | 1 | 0 | |
Total | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 1 | 9 | 1 | ||
Career total | 7 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 6 | 1 | 15 | 2 |
I feel like the notes are definitely useful, and can't see how removing information is more beneficial than keeping it. The same way we have the league names, it makes sense to also have the cup names. Nehme 1499 18:27, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
I've created two drafts on Draft:Giuliano Simeone and Draft:Eduardo Oliveira (football manager). I think they're a clear case of WP:TOOSOON, although I'm not sure if any of them may be an article due to WP:GNG. Could someone evaluate this, please? BRDude70 ( talk) 06:09, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
I just came across this article and it is a complete mess and possibly the worst WP:NOTSTATS violation I've ever seen. It took me about 10 minutes to even work out what any of the columns represent. Can someone help fix this or is this just a case of destroying it and starting over. Microwave Anarchist ( talk) 19:33, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi folks. Haris Stamboulidis is quite a mess. Maybe someone is in the mood for a cleanup? :-) Robby.is.on ( talk) 22:55, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
Request for input at Danilo Pereira (footballer). The argument is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC or not. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 05:39, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi! I wanted to add the Summer Olympics squads (1908–1952) to the Sweden squads navigation box. When doing this, the "FIFA World Cup and European Championship finalists" navigation box disappears and a link to Template:Navboxes is shown. I've tried to fix this, but can't find anyting wrong. Would be nice if someone could take a look at it! // Mattias321 (talk) 15:59, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello. Does Jean-Marie Elie's twenty-three year managerial reign at UST Equeurdreville qualify for the list of longest managerial reigns in association football page? Even if it was an amateur club? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 05:37, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Is there any reason why the categories at Association football players by under-20, under-21 and under-23 national team can't be merged into the ones at Association football players by youth national team? We already have Olympic footballers by country, so I don't see the need for the under-X ones. The same goes for the women's categories. Nehme 1499 15:26, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Over the past week or so, there has been an effort to add BBC Premier League team of the decade as an official honour to player articles with the source being this: Premier League team of the decade: Who makes yours?. I do not believe it belongs because it is a poll among BBC readers and thus WP:USERGENERATED. I have tried to remove it per that policy for Sergio Agüero, the only applicable player in my watchlist, with pleas to discuss on the talk page. I keep being reverted with no discussion and inadequate edit summaries to convince me I am wrong. I also raised the issue on the Football/England taskforce talk page three days ago with no response. While the nominated players were selected by experts, it is ultimately just a popularity poll among fans. I have found no secondary coverage of this list being revealed by other reputable sources, only blogs etc. discussing it. If we include this as an official honour, where does it end? Why not Sports Illustrated's list or PST writers? At least those lists were made by experts. I appreciate hearing your thoughts as I am not a huge contributor to sports articles. Cheers, -- SVT Cobra 18:45, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:50, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Mediocre Legacy ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Can you have a look at his edits? He often violates this rule. What do we do with him? Dr Salvus 06:33, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
After it's been established which team they're talking about, they just call the team Milan: this is exactly what WP:ACMILAN does. Nehme 1499 13:37, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure in tables and templates we would continue with AC Milan. It's the same reason for which we link several times the same club in a player's infobox. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 17:36, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
While looking for sources for Wim Jansen, I found that the 1998 SFWA Manager of the Year award formerly attributed to him by Wikipedia is not collaborated by the award's website, which gives it to Jim Jefferies for winning the cup with Hearts. [8] How did this come around? Are the SWFA unaware of their own history, or did Wikipedia have it wrong for years? If somebody could find a contemporary report from 1998 it would put this to bed once and for all. If it was Jefferies, then all the stats on the award's article would have to be reworked 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:41D5:6D03:98C4:9007 ( talk) 15:57, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi all, just over from the cricket project. I have a first-class cricketer (Howard Moxon) who played one FC match for Cambridge University in 1960. This wouldn't make him notable by our inclusion guidelines, but CricketArchive says the following about him:
"He played for Enfield v Skelmersdale in the Amateur Cup Final of April 1967. He was selected to play for England at Amateur Football. By the time of the 1972 Amateur Cup Final he had become manager, and is noted in the programme as being a public school master. His football clubs included Walthamstow Avenue; Harwich and Parkeston; Enfield and Wealdstone where he was player, captain and coach."
Does he pass your notability guidelines? StickyWicket ( talk) 15:44, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Reposted and updated version of original now archived.
As main contributor to this article, I would like to flag up for attention of others on the project a number of candidates for the list that are already wiki-articled and known or believed to have been killed in or died as a result of circumstances brought on by the war (eg execution, in enemy captivity, effects of wounds etc) but which so far lack a reliable citation regarding their death which is preconditional to inclusion in the list. A few have no death circumstances described in the text of their article but I note have been put on category lists that suggest someone knew/believed they died in wartime circumstances. I also include those whose death circumstances are disputed - see their talk pages for further detail - and are in need of a conclusive ruling in or out.
There may be additions coming onto the list so I encourage watch this space! Others are welcome to add. Please let us know if sources are found and added into their articles. Cloptonson ( talk) 19:00, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
References
The Netherlands official website now lists Weigman as having won 99 caps. She was initially thought to have won 104 caps, but presumably five of those have been rescinded due to being against non-FIFA affliated opponents. In 2001, she was honoured with a shield for having reached 100 caps, with Louis van Gaal praising her. With the caps being rescinded, what is best the way to rewrite this part of her career? APM ( talk) 16:44, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
I have added a citation to a page in an "Aircrew Remembered" website for his death in action during WWII. However, I have got a red error message saying the opening <ref> tag is 'malformed' but I do not know how to remedy it after a few attempts to edit. Cloptonson ( talk) 20:47, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Can someone please page protect Amad Diallo? There is constant vandalism amid a rumoured transfer to Rangers. Nehme 1499 15:52, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi all - I'm at 3RR on Georgie Kelly regarding his signing for Rotherham United which has not been announced via a reliable source (yet). Note there is an article [12] which claims he has signed in the headline, but then doesn't specifically say it in the article text. There is also an article that the Yorkshire Post ran and then pulled. [13] It'll probably be announced in the next few hours, but in the meantime could some people add it to their watchlist? Cheers, Gricehead ( talk) 14:33, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 10:03, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
The page urgently needs protection. Many editors have changed their club following to a transfer rumour to Juventus Dr Salvus 07:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
We have an article on Joe White (footballer, born 2002) (defender, born 18 January 2002) and a draft on User:GiantSnowman/Joe White (midfielder, born 1 October 2002)]].
If/when the latter makes his debut and becomes notable, should we have Joe White (defender, born 2002) and Joe White (midfielder, born 2002) (my preferred option) or Joe White (footballer, born 18 January 2002) and Joe White (footballer, born 1 October 2002)? Giant Snowman 11:35, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
I see in the article on the Vienna club that Ernst Kaltenbrunner is listed as one of its 'Notable players' without citation or dates indicating when he played. The name links with the Austrian Nazi war criminal who was executed at Nuremberg. (His lifetime of 1903-1946 makes it theoretically possible for him to have played for them as a young man.) I find no mention of him playing football in his wikipedia articles even in the German wikipedia. If this is not be dismissed as a vandalism or joke to be deleted, if this man DID play for them then it would be illuminating if it could be mentioned years he was recorded to have played for the club and in what position, and to feed the detail into the biographical article. Cloptonson ( talk) 07:04, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Category:2021 CONCACAF Nations League Finals squad templates - only contains one template so far. Surely the tournament is too minor to justify it? Giant Snowman 16:39, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=National_Women%27s_Soccer_League&diff=1068533629&oldid=1067695812 I'll let the project decide if we pipe to support sponsored pitch names in league articles. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 06:37, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
I am experiencing issues with @ ItsKesha: at Luke Bolton - he has blindly reverted me, describing my edit as 'nonsense', but in doing so has simply removed a valid reference and undone my updating of the career stats box. Can somebody please review the article? Giant Snowman 21:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
I have started an RM on
Talk:Andy Fisher as to determine if that article meets
WP:PRIMARY
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC since I have noticed there is an
Andy Fisher (footballer) on Wikipedia as well.
Iggy (
Swan) (
Contribs)
15:39, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
I don't get this: (see Talk:Chico Flores) since when is that name a "nickname compound"? I was checking the talk page history and what has been discussed on a possible retitle. For what I know, I have always known his name as this name, though it has been a long time since he was playing in England. Ta, 46.149.249.106 ( talk) 11:29, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
I don't know what to do anymore. Nehme1499 continues to add notes to national cups that are against the MOS and have no consensus. I've already raised a discussion before on this channel. There was not a decision to include these notes as it's too busy and TMI. Yet despite this, Nehme continues to make these edits, and still the user wants me to raise this issue again. Nehme then tries to claim I am bold by making edits in line with the MOS. I am trying to assume good faith and I see a lot of great contributions on wikipedia that the user makes but at this point I am very frustrated that a user is saying I am not following Wikipedia:BRD when I am going by the MOS. Rupert1904 ( talk) 19:52, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
This page provides a suggested layout for footballer biographies [...] nothing is set in stone. Secondly, I had already opened a discussion here, and Felixsv7 agreed with me. There is no valid reason at all to remove the notes, as opposed to keeping valid and useful information. Why not remove the league columns then? Nehme 1499 19:59, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
dashiellx was specifically referring to the example table he made below when he said it was "probably overkill on [his] part"... Critical reading isn't your forte it seems. The notes don't provide useful information
: on the contrary, they indicate what the respective cup competitions are. Removing them for no valid reason at all is not helpful. These players might not even make an appearance in either competition
: so what? We don't remove league rows if someone doesn't play a league game. You then remove the cup from the footnote
: I don't recall ever doing that... And on the topic of "throwing numbers", I'm not the one using a discussion that clearly favoured using notes rather than not as proof to not use them (!!)
Nehme
1499
01:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
Critical reading isn't your forte it seemssounds like a personal attack to me. Spike 'em ( talk) 08:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
There's only one national cup and league cup per country (for the country's that even have a league cup) so this note is redundant
I agree with this. We should only add notes where ambiguity exists.
Robby.is.on (
talk)
12:42, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
There is a table on this page which has ordered the teams into a table with group-style points being added for knockout games. I have never seen this done for a knockout competition, club or international - given as they play different teams and therefore can't be judged on points like a group stage or a league. The "standings" page on the Confederation of African Football is only for the groups too [14], which indicates the source is "just trust me bro". I would remove it myself, but as an IP, there would be an instant revert for blanking a section. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:BC65:F049:501:3A00 ( talk) 14:23, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Issue with final ranking table below the page. Third bronze displayed multiple times. Why?-- Island92 ( talk) 19:57, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
In Category:Olympic footballers of [Country], should I include players that played for the Olympic team but not at the Olympics, but rather in friendly/qualifying tournaments? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 05:40, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
I notice on Will Grigg's page, his second place (runner-up) promotion from 2014/15 with MK Dons was removed from his 'Honours' section for not being notable. I see there have been numerous previous discussions on the topic of whether runner up/third place/playoff winning promotions are considered 'Honours', but I can't see if a consensus was ever reached. If the consensus is 'no', then there are likely thousands of player pages which require edits to remove them. In the meantime, I have re-added the honour to his page.
I am strongly in favour of these being included, for several reasons:
1. It is a promotion to a higher division.
2. Clubs receive a trophy or some other kind of silverware (e.g. a plate for L2 3rd place promotion). Playoff winners receive a trophy. L1 runner-up receives a trophy. Players involved in all of these receive a medal (e.g. a bronze medal for 3rd place promotion in L2).
3. ALL Premier League/EFL clubs that have achieved a runner-up, third place or playoff promotion list these achievements in the Honours section of their club pages. If it is notable enough to be included in an entire club's honours, then surely it is notable enough for an individual player.
4. Some (not all) websites include playoff wins and runner up promotions amongst player honours.
5. A runner-up for a cup competition is deemed an honour (e.g. EFL Trophy runner-up - player receives a medal), so a runner-up for a league which involves a player receiving a medal should be treated equally.
6. Having checked a dozen or so EFL official club websites (e.g. Bolton Wanderers), all list 'runner-up' promotions and playoff promotions in their 'Club Honours' sections.
Overall, this strongly leans towards these types of achievements being included in the Honours section of player pages. If consensus is 'no', then all club pages featuring these as honours, and obviously all player pages, will need to be edited to remove these (we're talking thousands of pages). FilthyDon ( talk) 11:18, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi all,
Most national team manager sections do not have sources. Is Transfermarkt considered reliable enough to use as a source for nations without the information available on their national team's website?
Using the Gambia as an example: Source
Felixsv7 ( talk) 08:01, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
Talk:FC Bayern Munich#Requested move 5 February 2022. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 21:27, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Was wondering how to handle the case of
Nathan Konstandopoulos in his infobox. He has played for Adelaide United since 2017. At the beginning of the current
2021–22 A-League Men season it was
announced that he is currently uncontracted with the Reds, but still training with them as he recovers from an ACL tear.
Today
the club announced that he has recovered, is cleared to play, and has signed a new contract until the end of the season. Should this be treated as two separate spells in the infobox (2017–2021, 2022–) or just one? And on the
club's season page, should it be a "transfer out" and "transfer in" or just a "contract extension"? --
SuperJew (
talk)
08:55, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
I don't do a lot with images so I ask here. Are images from Juventus site gallery protected by copyright? I've had a look at it but I've seen no information related to copyright Dr Salvus 13:45, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
The user acknowledges that all Contents (including, specifically, [...] photographs, [...] images, [...] any other material found on this Website) are the exclusive property of Juventus and/or of those who legitimately hold the related rights.Nehme 1499 13:59, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
I wanted to ask this last week, but whats with all the broadcasting rights and stuff? Isn't all the content pointless?? Govvy ( talk) 23:26, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
There is a discussion underway : Talk:Cristiano Ronaldo#Trophies of Cristiano Ronaldo, also previously at Talk:Gareth Bale#2016 UEFA Super cup regarding specifically the 2016 UEFA Super Cup, this game is an example of a player not being selected to play in the team or squad, but in Ronaldo's case being awarded a part of the first team and receiving an honours. The Ronaldo article refuses to give the honour to the player, this despite sources claiming the player won the trophy (e.g. Real Madrid Ronaldo page). This discussion has previously been archived, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 132#Re-posting this because it was archived but it wasn't entirely finalised and I want this debate to come to a final and definitive conclusion so that we can avoid anymore future issues regarding players' honours, however I would like a sort of recount of this vote, as the logic is simple - the player is awarded the honour for being part of the squad, only the player doesn't get a cap for not making an appearance. This standard should be across the board, e.g. Messi awarded 2006 European Champions league title based on Barcelona's website. These articles are factually based, going to a vote doesn't count for facts. There needs to be clarification, the ruling should be - if a player is awarded a medal, then it counts as a trophy, and it seems Real Madrid's webpage suggests Ronaldo was awarded 3 Super cups, making 2016 an honour in the list. I believe the Lionel Messi#Honours article better explains the situation with a note. As for Ronaldo, the reference is in place to add the honour to his list of trophies, it just needs to be verified with wikipedia editors. Can we please restart this discussion, and this time use a Wikipedia:Requests for comment (RfC) and not a vote. Cltjames ( talk) 23:50, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
As to the question about 40 players, the team will present medals to players and management in the stadium, then assign more medals to backroom staff and specific players who greatly contributed to the season, e.g. Messi's case in 2006 UCL. Ronaldo seems to have been attributed an honour on the Real Madrid website (and various sites including UEFA), and this should be fully acknowledged by the editors involved in the article in mention. Cltjames ( talk) 12:46, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
I think the point of this thread was to establish a reality that honours are awarded without an appearance, for instance Gareth Bale with a medal on instagram, or Real Madrid' website honouring Ronaldo. So this seems a bit of a stalemate, so the second purpose was to bring cohesion to the situation and explain, this correctly. Right now the Ronaldo and Bale articles do not explain the situation of being honoured a medal without playing, and this is being addressed and needs to be rectified to correctly represent the situation. Cltjames ( talk) 21:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
@ PeeJay: could you accept a type of note addition to the article as discussed before where a text explains the medal was awarded without a game being played ? And this should be observed by @ Kante4: and whoever is working the Gareth Bale article as a recommendation to correctly observe how Bale was awarded a medal for the 2016 Super cup, as right now there is no mention of this. Cltjames ( talk) 23:22, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Ok, I think you've helped the 'pro' honours supporters here in finding the Bale information, and frankly that's all that's needed to prove information should be added to prove the fact he was awarded a medal without playing. I am not too focused, frankly the opposite, why are you not focused on correcting a simple fact. And as for "based on nothing at all", sorry but the 'Real Madrid' website is the reliable source we must adhere to, if anything they've explained to us he honoured with a trophy for 2016 Super cup. We're going around in circles here, can we please honour this fact a player can have an trophy without playing, maybe in a form of a note if not directly showing the game in mention. Cltjames ( talk) 13:22, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
OK, fine, the stick is being dropped. Only it's unfortunate a key discussion can't be resolved in the case of Ronaldo and especially Bale who doesn't have a mention about the medal he won in 2016, there's a story that can be told there. My final suggestion is a note format explaining the situation regarding a medal without an appearance. Cltjames ( talk) 15:54, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm not exactly an expert on Maltese football so I'm not sure what trophies count as notable or not but I'm pretty sure that Floriana F.C. have no right to a trophy section that size. Could someone more familiar with Maltese football help out? REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 18:58, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
I think this talk page is nice place to inform about Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Reliability of kooora.com Personally, I have no idea about this source. Cheers, -- SVT Cobra 04:42, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Hello! Can you add a section for stadiums and personnel and kits for the First Division from 1989 until 1992. Yours sincerely, Sondre -- 88.89.14.227 ( talk) 15:00, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
@ 88.89.14.227: What PeeJay is trying to say is that it is a big task which can't just be added overnight. You can feel free to help though. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 11:26, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Can anyone please find (or know where to find) this player's A.F.C. Totton stats? Last entry read 0/0, but i doubt very much he had that over FOUR seasons; Soccerbase shows nothing in that regard, surprisingly or not...
Kind regards, thanks in advance -- 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 16:43, 9 February 2022 (UTC)