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Hi! I was hoping for some admin help here. We have this article for
Roundglass Punjab, an Indian club which plays in the
I-League. This club is actually the continuation of
Punjab FC and Minerva Punjab after the club was sold to new owners in 2020. Recently we had some confusion because a Minerva Academy FC is playing in the
Punjab Super League, a local state league. The reason for this confusion is because when Roundglass/Minerva Punjab first were promoted to the I-League, they were known as Minerva Academy before rebranding to Minerva Punjab. Finally, the rebranded again to Punjab FC before being
bought and named Roundglass Punjab. I know, that is a lot, but the point is that this is the same club that was promoted to the I-League and even won it a few seasons ago. The new Minerva Academy is either a new club or a continuation of the old academy... either way, it isn't notable as it has never played in a national level tournament. The one that did, is now Roundglass.
Because of this confusion, we had some weird moves and redirects at
Minerva Academy FC,
Minerva Punjab FC,
Punjab FC, and
Roundglass Punjab. Roundglass Punjab is a "new page" created by
User:J Football on July 6 while the others, including the old article history, is now on Minerva Academy FC. Is there a way we could combine these and have them all go to RoundGlass Punjab FC, which is the actual name of the club? Let me know if there are any questions. Cheers! --
ArsenalFan700 (
talk)
14:23, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi, does anyone have any idea who this is? The uploader claims that it's Jason Wilcox, but it was recently removed from Wilcox's article as it isn't actually him. The initials 'SMC' are visible on the jacket, presumably his surname starts with 'Mc'? Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 17:51, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
can someone add his goals against trinidad to his list of goals scored. this shit is too advanced for my brain to handle. Muur ( talk) 07:18, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
No. | Date | Venue | Opponent | Score | Result | Competition | Ref. |
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1 | 7 July 2017 | Red Bull Arena, Harrison, United States | French Guiana | 2–0 | 4–2 | 2017 CONCACAF Gold Cup | |
2 | 10 June 2019 | Titan Stadium, Fullerton, United States | Trinidad and Tobago | 1–0 | 2–0 | Friendly | |
3 | 2–0 | ||||||
4 | 15 June 2019 | Rose Bowl, Pasadena, United States | Martinique | 4–0 | 4–0 | 2019 CONCACAF Gold Cup |
RedPatch ( talk) 12:30, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
Difference though is that Canada itself doesn't consider it a match, but they consider those Gold Cup ones to count. RedPatch ( talk) 21:31, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
its been mention on his talk page before and I guess hasn't been resolved, but nearly the entire page just talks about errors. his entire page is unfairly bullying him, its like 99% "he made this error and that error" and some of them dont even seem like they should be listed at all. whoever has edited this page has a massive hate boner for him. Muur ( talk) 00:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Could someone undo the live updates at Luke Shaw? I'm on three reverts. Apparently he scored a goal or something :-) Mattythewhite ( talk) 19:17, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
It would be a good idea to have an article on England–Italy football rivalry with the upcoming UEFA Euro 2020 Final.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.133.59.225 ( talk) 01:11, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
The BBC describe them as "arch rivals" and "fierce rivals" here. The Guardian have a detailed article here, The Mirror here. Battle of Highbury. Heysel Stadium disaster. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 12:00, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
So, I have an issue. How do I disambiguate two Brazilian footballers both known as Adriano, both born in September 1974, both forwards? The players in question are Adriano José da Silva and Adriano Gerlin da Silva. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 21:11, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
In this situation, full names is fine. Giant Snowman 11:19, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Could I please get more input at the following discussion? Thanks, -- SuperJew ( talk) 13:09, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi, WikiProject Football members, hope you all will be fine. I am here to ask a question, as I am interested to join this legendary WikiProject. I have been a football fan for a long time, and I have created various templates and edited various articles related to Football, I have been editing them for more than four months. Some days ago, I came to know about this WikiProject, and wanted to join in, however we have to display our national team, though I am from Pakistan, and our football team hasn't been in a single edition of FIFA World Cup and AFC, and the teams I support are Belgium, Italy and Germany. So I can use these on the National Team Support(s) rather than mine? Cheers Tahaaleem Talk 08:08, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
With the recent culmination of the Copa America and the Euros, I have noticed a number of editors adding 'winner' medals to the infobox of players, using the medaltemplate
parameter. I am unaware of any consensus that this should happen, and if it should, any consensus/guidance on what should and should not be included. Obviously some players who have won dozens of cups and trophies would have a swollen infobox and it seems impractical to repeat in the infobox what is already adequately displayed in the 'Honours' section?
Giant
Snowman
13:37, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
I think what Joseph was saying - and apologies if not - was that athletes at the Olympics compete purely for the medal.Yes this was my main point. Along with the fact that the Euros doesn't even have a 3rd place. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 15:10, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
So there is consensus for only including medals if they are from a multi-sport tournament such as Olympics? Giant Snowman 21:13, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
I forgot what consensus was regarding someone being re-loaned to the same club. Lorenzo Pirola was sent on loan to Monza from Inter ahead of the 2020–21 season. He returned back to Inter on 1 July 2021 as the loan didn't include an option to buy. Two weeks later (today, 14 July), Pirola returned to Monza on loan. Should the loan(s) be represented under one or two spells in the infobox? Nehme 1499 18:12, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Since Australian football exists, I do think that Australian footballers' description should be as follows
Name Surname is an Australian soccer player who plays for X club
Thus, we can avoid confusions between Australian soccer players and Australian Australian football players
Dr
Salvus
21:49, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
It's happened again, this time I spotted some of you were "offered" a goat for what the description said. I won't take that. On the plus point I am glad a handful of our talk pages are protected on Meta as well. Thankfully for Joseph2302, he'd left you alone this time. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 12:49, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
I wanted to ask this a while back, but Mattythewhite moved Timothy Eyoma to TJ Eyoma citing COMMONNAME, without a move request and I considered it odd at the time, because I found it to be 50/50 each, between TJ or Timothy in google searches. So I really can't see why it should be moved without a move request. I wanted to throw this out there to the community here on what they feel the correct name should be. Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 08:12, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello. On 1 July 2021, Kays Ruiz-Atil left Paris Saint-Germain F.C. — his contract expired that day. On 12 July, he joined FC Barcelona B. In the "transfers" section of 2021–22 Paris Saint-Germain F.C. season, should we put the date he left Paris Saint-Germain or the date he joined Barcelona B? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 21:17, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
I personally agree with Govvy. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 21:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I've opened a discussion regarding Berardi's loan status from Juventus between 2013 and 2015; further input would be appreciated. Nehme 1499 17:49, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
This image is not, despite the name, of Lewis O'Brien (footballer); it is of Jim O'Brien (footballer, born 1987). Any idea how we can rename it? Giant Snowman 21:11, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Iggy the Swan: you have to request an IP address to be removed from the page history, it doesn't happen automatically. Giant Snowman 13:56, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Should we add "loan returns" for this section? Is there a difference between players coming back from loan and going back to their parent clubs? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 12:04, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Nehme1499: I don't know why you want to put last seasons loans in the following season, when they have nothing to do with that season. Govvy ( talk) 10:07, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Kindly have a look at the page of the Italian footballer Domenico Berardi, where I added a source justifying that this footballer plays as a Winger, while two users, namely GiantSnowman and Nehme 1499 have removed the source repeatedly, without providing any solid argument or information demonstrating that the player is actually not a Winger, while they are also accusing me of vandalism. This is a true abuse towards me and not a good service for Wikipedia by these people. You should be able to show and provide facts and sources, not threaten other users -- 93.151.145.8 ( talk) 16:07, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
We need more people and their opinions at Talk:UEFA European Championship#National teams in the summary table / conclusion voting to settle those things with Yugoslavia / Czechoslovakia / USSR / Serbia / Russia once and for all, so any opinion would be appreciated. Snowflake91 ( talk) 16:16, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Only the real and true historic winners should be mentioned at least until the so-called "heir's countries" will be able to win a title. For instance, it is not correct to award to Serbia the results obtained by Yugoslavia which was a different State and a different political entity.-- Bergenoslo ( talk) 17:23, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
This discussion has been going on for years ( 2018, 2020, 2021), and consensus has yet to be established. I propose the following:
Thoughts? Nehme 1499 14:34, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
who plays as a goalkeeper for Serie A club AC Milan, and in the infobox I would display the club as "AC Milan". However, in the second paragraph of the lead, I would keep
In September 2020, Tătărușanu transferred back to Italy and signed for Milan, as the use of "AC Milan" has already been established. Nehme 1499 15:06, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I agree with the above. I would also extend it to the Career Stats section table to use AC RedPatch ( talk) 18:01, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I have a problem when people just put Milan on its own to represent the club. That's the name of the City with two of the biggest clubs in Europe. I feel it is far more correct to have AC Milan and it's more correct towards WP:COMMONNAME. Govvy ( talk) 20:47, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
This is completely unnecessary and has not received an extended consensus by the way... (4 or 5 people are not a majority and should not be entitled to decide or speak for all the Wikipedia community...) The full name of the club is A.C. Milan, as for instance, the full name of Chelsea is Chelsea F.C. or the full name of Real Madrid is Real Madrid C.F. ; all these names are with the dots and all of them are abbreviated as Chelsea and Real Madrid, not Chelsea FC or Real Madrid CF. A.C. Milan is not different. So there is no need to call the club AC Milan especially knowing that the club is called Milan in its own country, which is Italy. So Wikipedia should not intervene in this matter which seems to be a matter of interest only for some English-speaking users, in addition, there is no relation and no possibility of confusion with the name of the other club of the city which is called (in this order) Internazionale, Inter or Inter Milan. -- 93.151.145.8 ( talk) 14:39, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Yes, so you follow my thesis, as the clubs you just cited are then called and spelled Barcelona and Real Madrid on their Wikipedia pages or on the player's boxes and tables, not Barcelona FC or Real Madrid CF.--
93.151.145.8 (
talk)
15:54, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
There is not yet consensus for this proposal from Nehme1499, who by the way has started to modify Milan to AC Milan all over Wikipedia pretending that he got a vast consensus as if a vote among the Wikipedia community has been organized or so... This is not how you should behave. You do not start to impose such a change while only 3 or 4 users have said that it's fine for them. For me, there is no reason to change the current situation and the arguments to support this change are unclear, trivial, and not solid at all. The club is called A.C. Milan for Associazione Calcio Milan, and as we do not write Arsenal FC on Wikipedia but Arsenal, we should not be obliged to write AC Milan as well. It is exactly the same situation, taking also into consideration that the club is called Milan in its country and by UEFA which is the most important football organization in Europe (see UEFA.com website).-- Bergenoslo ( talk) 17:43, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
I have a feeling the image added today may not be allowed to stay on there as a free image - I searched the image using Google Search and found the image on multiple websites including the Spanish article about him. Views? Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 18:00, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Hey! For Sandesh Gadkari, the infobox says that he plays for Mumbai which obviously isn't true since the club is now defunct. While I am sure that this is him, I can't seem to find when he last actually played before retiring. What would I do in this case, where we don't know when the player retired or, in other cases, what happened to them at all after leaving the professional leagues? -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 20:27, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Organising and subcategorising Category:Association football awards navigational boxes - by country and tournament etc. Giant Snowman 18:51, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Project members may be interested to help expand Mural of Marcus Rashford. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:54, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
This article has been tagged for sourcing issues since 2009. I quickly added his substantial obit from The Independent which could be used to source and expand further. I'm not really a football expert, so I am not going to do more. Best. 4meter4 ( talk) 00:29, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
I believe that this discussion got closed without a resolution. Having just checked the template, it now advises between three different potential layouts for the Competitive record section which does not allow for consistency therefore could we please come to a consensus as to the best way to display this data?
Year | Final Tournament | Qualification | |||||||||||||
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Round | Pld | W | D | L | F | A | Pos. | Pld | W | D | L | F | A | ||
1930 | Did not enter | Was not invited | |||||||||||||
1934 | Quarter finals | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 4 | 1st | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 2 |
Year | Final Tournament | Qualification | ||||||||||||||
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Round | Pld | W | D | L | F | A | Squad | Pos. | Pld | W | D | L | F | A | ||
France 1938 | Third place | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 12 | 10 | Squad | Qualified automaticlly | |||||||
Brazil 1950 | Runners-up | 6 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 22 | 6 | Squad | Qualified as hosts |
Year | Location | Final Tournament | Qualification | |||||||||||||
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Round | Pld | W | D | L | F | A | Pos. | Pld | W | D | L | F | A | |||
2018 | Russia | Group Stage | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 4 | 1st | 8 | 5 | 3 | 0 | 15 | 5 | |
2022 | Qatar | To be determined | 1st | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |||||||
2026 |
Canada Mexico United States |
To be determined |
Draws include knockout matches decided on penalty kicks; correct as of 28 June 2018 after the match against Colombia.
FIFA World Cup record | FIFA World Cup qualification record | |||||||||||||||
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Year | Round | Position | Pld | W | D | L | GF | GA | Squad | Position | Pld | W | D | L | GF | GA |
1930 | Did not enter | Was not invited | ||||||||||||||
1934 | Quarter-finals | 6th | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 4 | Squad | 1st | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 2 |
Which Example do people prefer? @ REDMAN 2019: @ SuperJew: @ Stevie fae Scotland: @ Lee Vilenski:
To throw my two cents in, I like the 4th Example and would argue that MOS:FLAGS actually allows for this. The reason that I feel that this is the best format is that it easily distinguishes the different tournaments without cluttering the table and, as the country that hosted the tournament isn't the primary focus of the table, listing it fully doesn't feel necessary to me but I'd be delighted to hear your opinions and come to some conclusion so that all National Team pages can fall under the same template! Felixsv7 ( talk) 17:34, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
"Words as the primary means of communication should be given greater precedence over flags, and flags should not change the expected style or layout of infoboxes or lists to the detriment of words."There's also
"The name of a flag's political entity should appear adjacent to the first use of the flag, as no reader is familiar with every flag, and many flags differ only in minor details", so if you haven't used the flag already in the article, you'd have to state the country name as well. As much as I don't think it matters where it was played in a table like this, if it is important, you can simply write the country out, like so below. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 17:52, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
FIFA World Cup record | FIFA World Cup qualification record | |||||||||||||||
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Year | Round | Position | Pld | W | D | L | GF | GA | Squad | Position | Pld | W | D | L | GF | GA |
Uruguay 1930 | Did not enter | Was not invited | ||||||||||||||
Italy 1934 | Quarter-finals | 6th | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 4 | Squad | 1st | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 2 |
FIFA World Cup record | FIFA World Cup qualification record | |||||||||||||||
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Year | Round | Position | Pld | W | D | L | GF | GA | Position | Pld | W | D | L | GF | GA | |
Uruguay 1930 | Did not enter | Was not invited | ||||||||||||||
Italy 1934 | Quarter-finals | 6th | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 4 | 1st | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 2 |
FIFA World Cup | Qualification | ||||||||||||||||
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Year | Host | Round | Pld | W | D | L | F | A | Squad | Pos. | Pld | W | D | L | F | A | |
2018 | Russia | Group Stage | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 4 | Squad | 1st | 8 | 5 | 3 | 0 | 15 | 5 | |
2022 | Qatar | To be determined | 1st | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||||||||
2026 |
Canada Mexico United States |
To be determined |
There has been many discussions in the past ( 1 and 2) about the need to update the Club seasons guideline without result. This has caused many disagreements recently between editors. There are some editors who see the MOS in dire need to be updated. This is a proposal of what an updated guideline that an editor worked on might look like. All suggestions are welcome. Keeping it as it is or leaving it up to the user's discretion are all possible suggestions.:-- Sakiv ( talk) 14:31, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
include reports on profit made during the season- a casual reader wouldn't care whether they made £3.7 million or £4.1 million in a season. And "Other statistics" would likely just encourage people to add whatever random stats they feel like, violating WP:NOTSTATS.
using tables looks outdated and has not seen significant changes since the inception of the guideline- that usually means that tables look fine. If you have a specific table style, I'd be more than willing to weigh in on the pros and cons of the contrasting tables. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 11:11, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
A note on one specific aspect of the draft guideline linked by @ Sakiv:. Linked text in Wikipedia usually has a colour value of #0645AD (see: WP:LINKCOLOR), though for cross-language Wikipedia links, this color value changes to #3366BB. At all times we should promote accessibility, and ensure that everybody can read the encyclopedia, which means, among other things, meeting WCAG 2.1 colour contrast guidelines (see WP:CONTRAST). If we use #0645AD as our benchmark for text colour, the colours chosen in the draft guideline to indicate a win or a loss, as well as for Champions League qualification and relegation, fail the WCAG 2.1 test. If we use #3366BB as our benchmark for text colour, none of the colours chosen in the league table pass the WCAG 2.1 test. I'd say it's better to target the default link colour, #0645AD, as this covers 99.9% of use cases on the English Wikipedia. I'd favour using the colour guide contained in WP:COLOURS to choose appropriate colours for W/L/D, as well as league positions - #E6FFE6 for a win, #FFFFE6 for a draw, #FFE6E6 for a loss. Everything in column two of the colour guide in WP:COLOURS ought to be appropriate, except at hue 240, which fails. Domeditrix ( talk) 18:56, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
I have question since I did not find anything at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players: Should we mention the loaning club in the info box like this or should the "on loan from ..." be removed? -- Jaellee ( talk) 09:35, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Have I missed something, I have been reverted on Sarpreet Singh article because I undid an IP edit that put loaned from next to current club in the infobox. The fact that he's on loan is already stated in lede, in the article and under senior career now. I can't see the need for it to be with current club as well. I believe that should just be the team the player is playing for.
Then I corrected in the lede another IP edit that had displayed it to say loan is from Bayern Munich instead of Bayern Munich II and removed the loan information again by current club. Only for it to be re-added by Jaellee. I don't want to get into an edit war with them on it but it seems like it's not best practise to me, to have loaned from in current club field when you are having to used break text to display it plus it's displayed in infobox anyway under senior career that's its a loan. Would like others thoughts? — NZFC (talk) (cont) 09:37, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Which clubs should be displayed in the "Players" section of national teams ( example), the current clubs (e.g. PSG for Donnarumma) or the clubs at the latest call-up (AC Milan)? I thought that we should be displaying the clubs at the present day (both for the current squad and recent call-ups). Nehme 1499 16:59, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
But actually Donnarumma who now plays for PSG has not received any call yet. The information given - The following 26 players were selected for the UEFA Euro 2020 - matches with the fact we should report club last call. Island92 ( talk) 18:40, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
The current age can be easily updated when necessary. What does exactly mean the section named "Current squad"? The last squad called so as to attend a major tournament or friendly match or the current squad of everyday in accordance with which club the player is playing? Island92 ( talk) 18:53, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Ok, but Donnarumma is listed into the table, according to the source provived as AC Milan player because he was playing for AC Milan as he was called to attend Euro 2020 tournament. Island92 ( talk) 19:00, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
It is a contrast, in any case. The information given - The following 26 players were selected for the UEFA Euro 2020 - means Donnarumma wasn't playing for PSG at the time he was called. Putting PSG is simply wrong. I think my thought has been understood about this aspect. I do not go on and I let other user say what they think. Island92 ( talk) 19:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Another question here, if we keep clubs and age as per when called-up, should we also not update the caps and goals? -- SuperJew ( talk) 20:26, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
It depends on the call. The most recent call means the most recent club the player plays for to be updated. The main fact is based on the statement above with source. During Euro 2020 Donnarumma was an AC Milan player. Island92 ( talk) 20:49, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Current clubs, of course. Kindly remember that a "club" season is officially over on 30th June, and the new season starts on 1st of July, when usually also the player's contracts start. So it will be wrong information to write, for instance, that Donnarumma is still a player of his old club and not a PSG player. On the national team pages, the current club should be outlined, as it has always been. There was even no need to open this discussion.-- Bergenoslo ( talk) 09:38, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
A reason to put club as of the last call-up was present before starting this talk. Island92 ( talk) 12:52, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
You might think I tend to adopt that method (isn't mine), but actually not. I accept whatever other users suggest doing, but remember just the fact source says Milan, not PSG. That's why a ref can be considered being crucial to clarify it, much better than the statement above. Needless to say, what was added into Euro 2020 squads will be never changed (clubs). Do whatever you may think to be good enough to add in that section. Have a good time on the encyclopedia. Island92 ( talk) 13:45, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Please note that the user Neheme1499, once again, has started to modify the base model of the football national teams without having a large CONSENSUS for his proposed modifications.. and this is not the first time that this user operates like that, misrepresenting the democratic rules of Wikipedia and pretending to have a large consensus which he doesn't have. In addition, please note that this user focuses ONLY on changing the ITALIAN NATIONAL TEAM page, so he is not driven at all by the general interest. -- Bergenoslo ( talk) 17:15, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello. I have several questions about this table. Firt of all in the "signed in" section, for youth players, should we put the year they joined the club or the year they joined the first team? Example is Presnel Kimpembe, who joined the first team in 2014 but PSG in 2005. Second question is about the club free agents join from. If a player signed a contract before they became a free agent (like Georginio Wijnaldum), then it's clear the club they signed from should be written. But for Sergio Ramos, Gianluigi Donnarumma, and Alexandre Letellier, I have a dilemma. Should we write the club they previously played for or write "Free agent/Free agency" (IDK which one) and leave a note stating their previous club, a bit like what was done for players who got released (see previous discussion. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 17:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
The same type of table is found on
2020–21 Paris Saint-Germain F.C. season.
I think that instead of a statistics table like Nehme1499 suggested, we should just have a squad list (like for current squads of clubs).
Paul Vaurie (
talk)
15:33, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
In the "out" part of this section on this article, we established that we shouldn't write the next club for players that were released (like Kays Ruiz-Atil) but instead leave a note like such. Should we also do that for players that joined from free agency (like Gigio Donnarumma and Sergio Ramos)? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 19:49, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
@ SuperJew: Should “Unattached” be in italics? And why should we leave a note for released players but not for incoming free transfer signings? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 09:01, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Can I get some input in this discussion? Thank you. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 08:18, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello. How should we refer to transfer fees in the prose? For example, the transfer fee of a player is of ten million euros.
Option A: 10 million euros (do we wikilink euros or not?)
Option B: €10m
Option C: €10M
Option D: 10,000,000 euros
Option E: €10,000,000
Option F: 10m
Option G: 10M euros
Option H: €10 million
Option I: ten million euros.
Option J: another one? Make a suggestion?
Paul Vaurie (
talk)
16:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
On {{ Manchester United F.C. squad}} there are SO many players - something I haven't seen on other templates of this type. On 17 July, I removed all the players that weren't included in the first team per the Manchester United website. However, PeeJay decided to revert my changes, claiming that "these players are included because they have been registered with squad numbers for either domestic or European competitions". What is the solution? Should we include the players or not? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 08:28, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
I removed a section from this manager's page which intended to list match statistics for every match the manager has overseen. Currently another section in the article lists win-loss statistics for U17 and U19 matches, I think they should also be removed. Even though Borussia Dortmund U19 is a youth team of a big club, which RS cover this level of football? Agree? Geschichte ( talk) 09:04, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
I have genuinely tried hard to look for this. Earlier one of my created article titles was amended into the suffix '(Scottish footballer)' instead of '(footballer born 1879)' due to "standard dab". It's obviously not a big deal either way, but my understanding was the opposite - that the birth year should be used as disambig prior to nationality if it is known, as less potentially ambiguous. In this case the year is not in doubt, but neither is the nationality. Can someone direct me to the guideline either way? As I said, I did search but no joy. Crowsus ( talk) 18:25, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Could I please get more input here? @ Dustyveil: argues that, I quote, 'we don't have to add 'Stadium' after every names, there is a description before them that already stated they're stadiums, we only write names.' Qby ( talk) 09:30, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Due personal, I have no arguement. But according to your logic, almost every pages about stadiums wrote and capitalize "Stadium" in their official names, so we mentioned and repeated, for every single time, the term "Stadium" in their names when providing information about stadiums? The term "Stadium" is not part of the "official" name. Trimbarista ( talk) 16:58, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
According to your logic, almost every pages about stadiums wrote and capitalize "Stadium" in their official names, so we mentioned and repeated, for every single time, the term "Stadium" in their names when providing information about stadiums? The term "Stadium" is not part of the "official" name. Trimbarista ( talk) 16:58, 24 July 2021 (UTC) By the way, the current page of China women's national football team reminds me of this one Special:Permalink/1027033969, both doesn't fit with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/National teams. And the Tournaments section in the China women's national football team is quite similar compared to the Record section in Special:Permalink/1027033969. @ Felixsv7: and @ Badass Flare: Sorry to bother you, but may I ask your opinion on this matter? As you were involved in this kind of thing before. Qby ( talk) 14:51, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Still part of the terming problem, the wiki-link doesn't valued up. And the commonly used structure is not exempted from flaws. Prototyping the term "Stadium" is an example of how molecules of these structure are overstated. As stated, all sides need to be BOLD and not emnytizing other ideas. Trimbarista ( talk) 17:48, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Dustyveil is a disruptive (or possibly simply incompetent) editor who I recently blocked for messing up numerous articles. If they are continuing to do this, let me know, as they have been warned numerous times about their editing and are probably deserving of another block. Number 5 7 15:29, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
It is only a factor and doesn't rigidly apply to every circumstances. I have gradually and negotiably conform to many of your complaints yet you bring up further ones. There are specific thesis for different moves. Just because it's bold and somewhat different from a general view, it's not incompetent. The warning can't be associated with completely different complaints. Trimbarista ( talk) 17:21, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Qby, it seems like the same editor as the UAE page to me. Felixsv7 ( talk) 19:30, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Number 57: I'd keep an eye on GiofaniRahman as well as they have a similar editing history! Felixsv7 ( talk) 10:54, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
I've noticed that several pages contain a small error in a template. A typical example is here. If you search for the word "different" you'll see that the template used says "different to" in several places, where the standard English is "different from". Is it possible to change this, and, if so, how?
Thanks in advance for any help with this. RomanSpa ( talk) 19:00, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
How should participation in the Olympics be recorded in the infobox. It's a primarily U23 tournament, but 3 overage players are allowed. Should the teams be listed as "Country U23" or "Country Olympic". I've seen both. It doesn't make sense for the overagers to be listed as "U23" if they're older than that, but it seems impractical for the same team to be listed differently. (Note: the qualifying tournaments are U23 only and no overagers, so those could be considered U23). For example, Neymar lists his past participations as Brazil Olympic, André-Pierre Gignac for this tournament is listed as "France Olympic", all the Great Britain players in 2012 listed as "Great Britain Olympic", but then you have guys like Pedri, Unai Simón, and Marco Asensio (overage player) with Spain U23 in their infobox rather than Spain Olympic. RedPatch ( talk) 13:28, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
See Talk:2022 FIFA World Cup Walter Görlitz ( talk) 06:08, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
This generally includes major examples of: countries- this means that not major examples of countries should be links. So where is the line? How is a country determined as major or minor? Size? Population? Number of English speakers? -- SuperJew ( talk) 09:16, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello. In infoboxes, we refer to Stade Rennais F.C. as Rennes; in that case, should we refer to Stade Briochin as Saint-Brieuc? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 18:38, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
OK, let’s just go with Stade Briochin for now. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 00:33, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Should WP:ACMILAN also apply to AC Ajaccio? The club is in a similar situation, with Gazélec Ajaccio being the other club from Ajaccio. Gazélec is now in the fourth tier, but five years ago, they were in the Ligue 1, so I think they aren't just some minor club. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 17:45, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
From what I understand of the transfer, per Spurs source, he joins the club after the Olympics, so what date do you put down for him? I am not sure he should be added to the articles yet on that note either. Govvy ( talk) 13:29, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
It appears that there is some confusion with certain editors recently about which appearance goes where while he plays for the Olympics. I hope I am right in saying the Olympic appearances and goals should be added to the U23 statistics from this last revision before the Olympic editing began but a couple of other editors and an IP address seems to add the latest appearances in the wrong place. There should be some agreement to which version is definitely the right one, I'd say 7 appearances and 3 goals for the New Zealand U23's as of 14:41, 26 July 2021 (UTC). Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 14:41, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
He has Atleast 4 goals for the Under 23.
1 in 2012 Olympics 1 in a friendly for the 2021 Olympic season 2 so far in the 2021 olympics Eoin DAMM ( talk) 16:22, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/chris-wood/profil/spieler/108725 Eoin DAMM ( talk) 16:24, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
Stats for Wood:
2012 Olympics: vs. Belarus, vs. Egypt (1 goal), vs. Brazil 3(1) 2021 friendlies: vs. Australia (1 goal) 1(1) 2020 Olympics: vs. South Korea (1 goal), vs. Honduras (1 goal) 2(2) Total: 6(4) Someone mentioned another two games? -- SuperJew ( talk) 19:29, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
This is all turning a bit OR/SYNTHy - like Struway2 says, what if there are other games you have not been able ti find through your own research, and are therefore inadvertently adding incorrect information as 'fact'? Giant Snowman 09:56, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Can you help me to reach a concensus for this discussion Dr Salvus 16:47, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
I'll try to explain the issue. On 8 June 2021 Lega Serie A have published two statements in this page [2] (they're in italian). The first one is about the rules of 2021–22 Coppa Italia --> [3], the second one is an empty fixtures table based on ranks --> [4]. The point 3.1 of first statement establishes the criteria for formation of fixtures table: teams are ranked based on places they've reached in the previous season. E.g.: Juventus is ranked 1 because they won previous Coppa Italia, Inter is ranked 2 because they won 2020–21 Serie A, Milan is ranked 3 because they finished 2nd in previous Serie A etc. According to these official rules, @ Dr Salvus: and I have composed the fixtures, based on the table in the second statement. So for example Torino (ranked 17) will face Vicenza (ranked 32) and so on. However, Lega Serie A hasn't communicated fixtures yet, they've only published rules. In poor words, they haven't filled the table. So I'm asking: is writing fixtures considered an original research or must we wait for final announcement by Lega Serie A? Because that means that we can't even open the pages of next seasons of clubs before the start of championships unless an official statement says they will participate.-- Andyen94 ( talk) 17:17, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Category:Spanish sportspeople of African descent
To me this category (which contains a number of footballers) looks like overkill - any thoughts before I take to CFD? Giant Snowman 09:53, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Nehme1499: why are you creating new categories whilst the merits of them are still being discussed here? Giant Snowman 14:31, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
I always find these type of categories a bit strange, it's like a category for Find my past! Govvy ( talk) 13:57, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
This isn't in common usage, is it? Author of the edit says it is. I didn't see it in the Premier League club articles. - Seasider53 ( talk) 11:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Sergio Rico has played one match for the Spain national team back in June 2016. It has been over 5 years since his appearance, and if I remember correctly, the consensus was to close the international career if a player didn’t play for the national team for 5 years (like for Benzema). Now, Rico’s last call-up for Spain dates to March 2017 (according to what I could find.) Should we close the international career? If yes, should it be just 2016 or 2016–2017? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 23:17, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi folks. I could use more eyes at Danny Makkelie. An WP:SPA editor, Kleikema, has been edit-warring to remove criticism from the article. In my view, the criticism is both reliably sourced and WP:DUE: the penalty in England v Denmark match was widely discussed during the Euros.
At their Talk page, I have pointed out various relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines such as Wikipedia:Verifiability, WP:DUE, and WP:BRD.
In light of WP:COI concerns, I have also asked the editor whether they know Makkelie "personally or professionally". Their emotionality and their username ("Kleikema" is an anagram of Makkelie) would suggest as much. They have not responded to the question. Robby.is.on ( talk) 13:09, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
Following a newspaper doesn’t mean it’s factual.Wikipedia follows the sources. I have pointed out Wikipedia:Verifiability to you a few times now. Have you read it?
he intends to put makkelie in a bad lightStop making bad-faith accusations. WP:AGF is a basic tenet of Wikipedia. Robby.is.on ( talk) 13:41, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
If a player has represented a country at the Universiade Games, does that count for listing a player's nationality? It's an internationally recognized tournament, just not a FIFA one, but technically the Olympics aren't FIFA either, but we would accept that for a player's nationality. Is it also acceptable for the infobox (i.e. "Country Universiade" #(#) or no?). I ask because I was editing Lukas MacNaughton and I was reverted on his club page for changing his nationality to Canada which he represented in those tournaments (nation of his birth USA also competed, but he didn't represent them). Some players do have it in their infobox, for example Reo Hatate RedPatch ( talk) 22:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Is there anything that can be done about an IP range or is it just something that is going to have to be monitored? IP starting 88.232 keeps editing football articles and nearly all the edits are disruptive. Just got one IP number banned for 32 hours but not sure looking at range history if that is going to be enough? Wondered if others have dealt with something like this before? — NZFC (talk) (cont) 21:50, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Not sure of the logic of these edits made by various IP's, this disruption (e.g. here) has been going on for a couple of days. A page protection should stop, however, the page history with when these edits were made shows many of us is in nighttime so many of you may be unaware of this except for me this morning. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 10:08, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi everyone - Is there a specific MOS to Scottish football clubs that I'm unaware of and cannot seem to find? I ask this because in about 90% of infoboxes for Scottish clubs, the League Cup is always positioned above the Scottish Cup. Not only do I not like this as I think it suggests that the league cup is more prestigious or important than the national cup, but it's also against the MOS standard of League then National Cup and then League Cup. I've also found that a lot of footballers in Scotland who have won both cups, tend to have the League Cup positioned above the Scottish Cup in their honours section - which I think is a result of the incorrect positioning that's been done in the infobox. If there is a specific MOS for Scottish football to organize like this then that is one thing but if the argument is that the league cup in Scotland is finished before the national cup then that is not justifiable as that's the case in every country. Thanks. Rupert1904 ( talk) 20:30, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
I have been trying to add a table of international tournament participated by footballers under the column of 'international career' on their page, however, my multiple edits were reverted by several other editors. They kindly reminded me that I need to seek for consensus here, but I don't really know how this works. I've seen similar tables in the Spanish language version wikipedia, and I think it helps massively when I check the pages of the players that I wasn't familiar with before, so it became an idea recently that I should add this to the English version Wiki, my original intention was that this could definitely help people. Peilin99 ( talk) 15:48, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Came across this in the new page feed and wondered if there was an older article or another one to redirect too. At the moment, it's very flat information wise! I did think it could be a redirect to somewhere, I also felt that WP:NOTNEWS might also apply. Govvy ( talk) 15:13, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
I recently made this edit to Ben White's career statistics table, putting the U23 stats below the senior stats as he made his senior debut before his EFL Trophy debut, and adding rows for seasons where White did not play for Brighton's first team as per WP:FOOTY/Players (my recollection was there was no concensus in that discussion on Ike Ugbo, but lost track as that discussion was so long and Ugbo's seems to be including those rows with 0s, so I added them at White's article like that). The former part was reverted by Daemonickangaroo2018, with that rationale that 'under-23 should go first' and the latter by Mattythewhite. So, should (a) clubs in these tables be arranged chronologially, such that U23 goes below first-team when the player played for the first-team first, and (b) rows be included for the parent club even when they fail to play, as is shown in WP:FOOTY/Players. Many thanks, Microwave Anarchist ( talk) 14:30, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
'empty' rows should be displayed when a player is out on loan as per MOSis per GiantSnowman's (and some other editors) reading of the MoS, while others don't read it that way as it is ambiguious regarding what to display for players out of loan. There was a big discussion about this in the past few months and no consensus was reached. -- SuperJew ( talk) 22:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Good evening, it's two stadium different stages: Stadion Wiener Neustadt (Demolished in 23 April 2020 [5], [6], [7]) ≠ Wiener Neustadt Arena (Opened in 28 September 2019 [8], [9]). Thank you. Arturo63 ( talk) 22:34, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
Could someone update the logo for Vannes OC? Thanks. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 16:39, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Is he notable enough now to warrant an article? He just moved for £5 million to the Southampton first-team and is a member of the England U-20 team. Or should we wait until he makes his senior club debut? Thanks. Rupert1904 ( talk) 17:11, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Rupert1904 ( talk) 22:48, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Are canceled friendly matches worthy of inclusion in club season articles? SLBedit ( talk) 21:21, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
A user (@ Mitch Ames:) has used AWB to remove valid categories such as Category:Greek football managers and Category:Australian soccer coaches from articles (now reverted). However, they were not tagged as non-diffusing, hence the confusion - should we run a bot or similar to tag all parent categories in Category:Association football managers by nationality (and Category:Association football players by nationality to avoid further confusion? Giant Snowman 06:11, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
participants in a WikiProject cannot decide that some generally accepted policy or guideline does not apply to articles within its scope.Mitch Ames ( talk) 10:25, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
they just need to be tagged appropriately— Then please do that. Mitch Ames ( talk) 12:04, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Please help with an imminent edit war on Danny Ings between myself and User:RossButsy. He is of the opinion that only the Aston Villa article about his transfer should be included as a citation, whereas I think that at least one other source independent of the club (preferably the BBC) should be cited. In my experience, club articles are fairly temporary and are taken down after a year or so, whereas BBC articles remain available online permanently. He also objects to any reference to a transfer fee with the rather bizarre logic: "the club source doesn’t mention a fee because there is no fee when it says undisclosed it stays as undisclosed". Any help with coming to common ground would be appreciated. Daemonickangaroo2018 ( talk) 13:19, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
club articles are fairly temporary and are taken down after a year or so, that can be the case in a lot of stuff - many times sites reorganize their format and then links change around and they don't always bother redirecting (have had this on the A-League site, the clubs' sites, the FIFA site, FourFourTwo/FTBL, and many more). The solution is to create an archived version using a web crawler (like this one) if there isn't one already created automatically, and link it in the ref at the "archiveurl" parameter. -- SuperJew ( talk) 16:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi all, sorry if this has already been discussed. Where does the community stand on these lists? I saw List of Football at the Summer Olympics penalty shoot-outs and thought it was a cool topic but not sure where it stands on notability in terms of specific sources covering the intersection of 'penalty shoot-outs' at 'x tournament'. I found the following:
The only odd one out is the last one, which does include a list of sources. Of course, match reports could be added for the rest as well by going through match reports and newspaper archives but the merit of topic is still somewhat questionable. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Editors who have asked to be kept informedSpike 'em ( talk) 18:45, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
See Special:Contributions/23shlomomaman23. Is this a desired categorization? Geschichte ( talk) 07:32, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
We then need to purge the rest of the Category:Expatriate footballers by nationality and country of residence. Geschichte ( talk) 09:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
In examining the official FIFA source for the women's Olympic tournament, I discovered that Ellen White (footballer) and Steph Houghton have legally taken their husbands' names, while continuing their work under their maiden names. [11] On White, this was reverted with the explanation that it's "wrong" because she is still called Ellen White as a player. [12] I reverted this back because the logic is faulty and FIFA should be a reliable source, or thousands of pages on men and women need revising. There doesn't seem to have been any problem on Alex Morgan (a Good Article) in using FIFA to prove that she now has a married surname but still plays as Morgan. Please can somebody keep an eye on these pages before it turns into a lame edit war. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:7D66:53DB:E519:5646 ( talk) 15:28, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
In an article such as Ellen White (footballer), I would definitely start the article with Ellen Toni White (married Convery; born... etc. The same thing goes for artists that were known under a name when they were young, and then married to another name many, many years later. In addition, when people get even older, may be married two times or more, changing their married name every time. Geschichte ( talk) 10:03, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
I was looking through the Alisson article and noticed the category "Association football goalkeepers who have scored" has disappeared so I thought I may need to add this in as other goalkeepers who scored indeed had that category, before discovering the category has been deleted. Oh well, I didn't notice there was a discussion on that back in June. Seems reasonable as to why it was deleted. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 11:37, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Hey, on Chelsea's current season page, there seems to be direct plagarism in the review section (copied word for word from the sources). I haven't actually come across such an issue in all my time on Wikipedia, so wanted to ask for advice here first before acting. -- SuperJew ( talk) 20:07, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
I think for the big European (and South American) teams there is no need to list fourth or semi-final (no medal)!!! In fact, just stating the champion, runner-up and 3rd place is enough for the big teams in the world. 2001:EE0:41C1:96F3:E43D:6AE9:4206:F1EA ( talk) 08:22, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
2001:EE0:41C1:96F3:E43D:6AE9:4206:F1EA ( talk) 10:27, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone know of a reliable source for Football League players' squad numbers in previous seasons? Specifically I am looking at the 1999-2000 season, the first season in which the Football League used them. Soccerbase doesn't list them, Soccerway doesn't even have squad data that far back, and beyond that I'm not really sure where else to look...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:54, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Omoyinmi 38, Williams 39. Both played in the match cited: <ref>{{cite web |url=https://enfa.co.uk/ |title=Matches: 18 September 1999: Gillingham 0–2 Preston North End |website=English National Football Archive |access-date=10 August 2021 |url-access=subscription}}</ref> cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 11:59, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
@ ChrisTheDude:, aa, good ol Junior Lewis was in the Gills squad then, I've played a little footy with him on the Barnet training pitch many years ago. Govvy ( talk) 12:44, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello! I see that the colors of many national football team templates are changed. Why can't you have the established like they was previously. Like on the templates of Paraguay, South Africa, Morocco, Belgium and so forth. Yours sincerely, Sondre -- 88.89.103.4 ( talk) 15:15, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Is 2000 England v Germany football match really notable enough for an individual article? Just because England manager Kevin Keegan resigned after the match, that doesn't mean we need an article about the match. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 10:29, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
So, Pellistri was on loan at Alaves from Manchester United last season. He returned to United after 30th June, appeared in pre season matches and even scored a goal. He rejoined Alaves on loan after it. So I guess we should show it as separate loan spells in his infobox? I did the same earlier, however an IP thinks it should be a single loan spell. What would be the right way to show it? Let me know your opinions. Thanks in advance. Kokoeist ( talk) 17:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Adam Morgan scored twice this evening for Chelmsford City's reserves in the Essex and Suffolk Border Football League. Would this merit infobox inclusion? I know we include foreign players' reserve stats in their infoboxes if they're playing in countries like Spain, France, Romania, Germany, etc., but not sure on our general viewpoint on reserve stats in English players' infoboxes if the league is a part of the English pyramid (probably because reserve teams in the English pyramid isn't really a thing). NouveauSarfas ( Talk page) 19:34, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Although the transfer of Cristian Romero from Atalanta to Tottenham was officially announced earlier today, the reports of the transaction from both clubs contradict each other. Atalanta claims that the transfer was a loan with option to buy, contradictory to every previous report (and every third party source, even those published after the announcement), while Tottenham makes no mention of a loan but also does not claim a definite sale or contract length. This article was recently published highlighting the issue, and I will also confidently say that there's no translation issue, as the website says exactly the same thing in Italian. How should this be dealt with? ComplexRational ( talk) 21:41, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
The BBC are now reporting this as a permanent signing for a fee of “about £47m” [14]. Daemonickangaroo2018 ( talk) 06:45, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
@ ComplexRational: This just popped up if you're interested. https://www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/transfer-news/cristian-romero-tottenham-agreement-confirmed-21252266 Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 16:05, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Hey team, may someone review the above page and move to mainspace? Debuted in the EFL Cup yesterday.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 14:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
How are the FIFA Rankings updated?
I noticed on the Canada page it just says | FIFA Rank = {{FIFA World Rankings|CAN|mdy=y}} but I don't understand where the number comes from or how this works. I wanted to change it as the ranking updated today. -- MattBinYYC ( talk) 08:45, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi guys, I've had a Good Topic candidate listed for nearly three months with only four responses. I think it's pretty close to getting over the line for promotion, but I think a couple more !votes would get it there. Of course, if there's anything you think needs improving, do let me know! – Pee Jay 13:22, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Could someone help me organize Béni Makouana’s infobox? I don’t know how to differentiate the youth career from the senior career in it. This guy’s early career is confusing. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 14:18, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
I asked where the number is from [15] , can someone else deal with this guy before I blow a gasket! Govvy ( talk) 16:54, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
If a coach/manager is named the interim/caretaker manager upon the dismissal of the previous manager, then a couple of weeks later is officially named the permanent manager, should it be two separate spells or just one. I put it as just one spell at Javier Pérez (soccer coach), since it's still the same role and basically just a contract extension. However, someone just changed it to two separate instances, one as interim and one as permanent. When an assistant manager takes over for a match due to the main manager being suspended/ill/otherwise unavailable, we don't list them as the first-team manager in the infobox. RedPatch ( talk) 16:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
I came across this doubt recently while editing Spanish football: how should we list the player name in the squad template? Always the name, always the surname, the way the player is widely known or what his shirt actually states? I'm more in favour of the last one, so users can actually identify the player on the field through the template, but I'm not sure... BRDude70 ( talk) 18:47, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello, a small number of IP addresses has edited the article thinking the player's time at Chelsea is over, however I don't see any news from sources about that. It should remain as 2019– but I have a feeling the IP addresses will notice and change it back to what they think. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 06:12, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
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Hi! I was hoping for some admin help here. We have this article for
Roundglass Punjab, an Indian club which plays in the
I-League. This club is actually the continuation of
Punjab FC and Minerva Punjab after the club was sold to new owners in 2020. Recently we had some confusion because a Minerva Academy FC is playing in the
Punjab Super League, a local state league. The reason for this confusion is because when Roundglass/Minerva Punjab first were promoted to the I-League, they were known as Minerva Academy before rebranding to Minerva Punjab. Finally, the rebranded again to Punjab FC before being
bought and named Roundglass Punjab. I know, that is a lot, but the point is that this is the same club that was promoted to the I-League and even won it a few seasons ago. The new Minerva Academy is either a new club or a continuation of the old academy... either way, it isn't notable as it has never played in a national level tournament. The one that did, is now Roundglass.
Because of this confusion, we had some weird moves and redirects at
Minerva Academy FC,
Minerva Punjab FC,
Punjab FC, and
Roundglass Punjab. Roundglass Punjab is a "new page" created by
User:J Football on July 6 while the others, including the old article history, is now on Minerva Academy FC. Is there a way we could combine these and have them all go to RoundGlass Punjab FC, which is the actual name of the club? Let me know if there are any questions. Cheers! --
ArsenalFan700 (
talk)
14:23, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi, does anyone have any idea who this is? The uploader claims that it's Jason Wilcox, but it was recently removed from Wilcox's article as it isn't actually him. The initials 'SMC' are visible on the jacket, presumably his surname starts with 'Mc'? Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 17:51, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
can someone add his goals against trinidad to his list of goals scored. this shit is too advanced for my brain to handle. Muur ( talk) 07:18, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
No. | Date | Venue | Opponent | Score | Result | Competition | Ref. |
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1 | 7 July 2017 | Red Bull Arena, Harrison, United States | French Guiana | 2–0 | 4–2 | 2017 CONCACAF Gold Cup | |
2 | 10 June 2019 | Titan Stadium, Fullerton, United States | Trinidad and Tobago | 1–0 | 2–0 | Friendly | |
3 | 2–0 | ||||||
4 | 15 June 2019 | Rose Bowl, Pasadena, United States | Martinique | 4–0 | 4–0 | 2019 CONCACAF Gold Cup |
RedPatch ( talk) 12:30, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
Difference though is that Canada itself doesn't consider it a match, but they consider those Gold Cup ones to count. RedPatch ( talk) 21:31, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
its been mention on his talk page before and I guess hasn't been resolved, but nearly the entire page just talks about errors. his entire page is unfairly bullying him, its like 99% "he made this error and that error" and some of them dont even seem like they should be listed at all. whoever has edited this page has a massive hate boner for him. Muur ( talk) 00:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Could someone undo the live updates at Luke Shaw? I'm on three reverts. Apparently he scored a goal or something :-) Mattythewhite ( talk) 19:17, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
It would be a good idea to have an article on England–Italy football rivalry with the upcoming UEFA Euro 2020 Final.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.133.59.225 ( talk) 01:11, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
The BBC describe them as "arch rivals" and "fierce rivals" here. The Guardian have a detailed article here, The Mirror here. Battle of Highbury. Heysel Stadium disaster. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha ( talk) 12:00, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
So, I have an issue. How do I disambiguate two Brazilian footballers both known as Adriano, both born in September 1974, both forwards? The players in question are Adriano José da Silva and Adriano Gerlin da Silva. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 21:11, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
In this situation, full names is fine. Giant Snowman 11:19, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Could I please get more input at the following discussion? Thanks, -- SuperJew ( talk) 13:09, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi, WikiProject Football members, hope you all will be fine. I am here to ask a question, as I am interested to join this legendary WikiProject. I have been a football fan for a long time, and I have created various templates and edited various articles related to Football, I have been editing them for more than four months. Some days ago, I came to know about this WikiProject, and wanted to join in, however we have to display our national team, though I am from Pakistan, and our football team hasn't been in a single edition of FIFA World Cup and AFC, and the teams I support are Belgium, Italy and Germany. So I can use these on the National Team Support(s) rather than mine? Cheers Tahaaleem Talk 08:08, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
With the recent culmination of the Copa America and the Euros, I have noticed a number of editors adding 'winner' medals to the infobox of players, using the medaltemplate
parameter. I am unaware of any consensus that this should happen, and if it should, any consensus/guidance on what should and should not be included. Obviously some players who have won dozens of cups and trophies would have a swollen infobox and it seems impractical to repeat in the infobox what is already adequately displayed in the 'Honours' section?
Giant
Snowman
13:37, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
I think what Joseph was saying - and apologies if not - was that athletes at the Olympics compete purely for the medal.Yes this was my main point. Along with the fact that the Euros doesn't even have a 3rd place. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 15:10, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
So there is consensus for only including medals if they are from a multi-sport tournament such as Olympics? Giant Snowman 21:13, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
I forgot what consensus was regarding someone being re-loaned to the same club. Lorenzo Pirola was sent on loan to Monza from Inter ahead of the 2020–21 season. He returned back to Inter on 1 July 2021 as the loan didn't include an option to buy. Two weeks later (today, 14 July), Pirola returned to Monza on loan. Should the loan(s) be represented under one or two spells in the infobox? Nehme 1499 18:12, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Since Australian football exists, I do think that Australian footballers' description should be as follows
Name Surname is an Australian soccer player who plays for X club
Thus, we can avoid confusions between Australian soccer players and Australian Australian football players
Dr
Salvus
21:49, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
It's happened again, this time I spotted some of you were "offered" a goat for what the description said. I won't take that. On the plus point I am glad a handful of our talk pages are protected on Meta as well. Thankfully for Joseph2302, he'd left you alone this time. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 12:49, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
I wanted to ask this a while back, but Mattythewhite moved Timothy Eyoma to TJ Eyoma citing COMMONNAME, without a move request and I considered it odd at the time, because I found it to be 50/50 each, between TJ or Timothy in google searches. So I really can't see why it should be moved without a move request. I wanted to throw this out there to the community here on what they feel the correct name should be. Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 08:12, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello. On 1 July 2021, Kays Ruiz-Atil left Paris Saint-Germain F.C. — his contract expired that day. On 12 July, he joined FC Barcelona B. In the "transfers" section of 2021–22 Paris Saint-Germain F.C. season, should we put the date he left Paris Saint-Germain or the date he joined Barcelona B? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 21:17, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
I personally agree with Govvy. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 21:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I've opened a discussion regarding Berardi's loan status from Juventus between 2013 and 2015; further input would be appreciated. Nehme 1499 17:49, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
This image is not, despite the name, of Lewis O'Brien (footballer); it is of Jim O'Brien (footballer, born 1987). Any idea how we can rename it? Giant Snowman 21:11, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Iggy the Swan: you have to request an IP address to be removed from the page history, it doesn't happen automatically. Giant Snowman 13:56, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Should we add "loan returns" for this section? Is there a difference between players coming back from loan and going back to their parent clubs? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 12:04, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Nehme1499: I don't know why you want to put last seasons loans in the following season, when they have nothing to do with that season. Govvy ( talk) 10:07, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Kindly have a look at the page of the Italian footballer Domenico Berardi, where I added a source justifying that this footballer plays as a Winger, while two users, namely GiantSnowman and Nehme 1499 have removed the source repeatedly, without providing any solid argument or information demonstrating that the player is actually not a Winger, while they are also accusing me of vandalism. This is a true abuse towards me and not a good service for Wikipedia by these people. You should be able to show and provide facts and sources, not threaten other users -- 93.151.145.8 ( talk) 16:07, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
We need more people and their opinions at Talk:UEFA European Championship#National teams in the summary table / conclusion voting to settle those things with Yugoslavia / Czechoslovakia / USSR / Serbia / Russia once and for all, so any opinion would be appreciated. Snowflake91 ( talk) 16:16, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Only the real and true historic winners should be mentioned at least until the so-called "heir's countries" will be able to win a title. For instance, it is not correct to award to Serbia the results obtained by Yugoslavia which was a different State and a different political entity.-- Bergenoslo ( talk) 17:23, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
This discussion has been going on for years ( 2018, 2020, 2021), and consensus has yet to be established. I propose the following:
Thoughts? Nehme 1499 14:34, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
who plays as a goalkeeper for Serie A club AC Milan, and in the infobox I would display the club as "AC Milan". However, in the second paragraph of the lead, I would keep
In September 2020, Tătărușanu transferred back to Italy and signed for Milan, as the use of "AC Milan" has already been established. Nehme 1499 15:06, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I agree with the above. I would also extend it to the Career Stats section table to use AC RedPatch ( talk) 18:01, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I have a problem when people just put Milan on its own to represent the club. That's the name of the City with two of the biggest clubs in Europe. I feel it is far more correct to have AC Milan and it's more correct towards WP:COMMONNAME. Govvy ( talk) 20:47, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
This is completely unnecessary and has not received an extended consensus by the way... (4 or 5 people are not a majority and should not be entitled to decide or speak for all the Wikipedia community...) The full name of the club is A.C. Milan, as for instance, the full name of Chelsea is Chelsea F.C. or the full name of Real Madrid is Real Madrid C.F. ; all these names are with the dots and all of them are abbreviated as Chelsea and Real Madrid, not Chelsea FC or Real Madrid CF. A.C. Milan is not different. So there is no need to call the club AC Milan especially knowing that the club is called Milan in its own country, which is Italy. So Wikipedia should not intervene in this matter which seems to be a matter of interest only for some English-speaking users, in addition, there is no relation and no possibility of confusion with the name of the other club of the city which is called (in this order) Internazionale, Inter or Inter Milan. -- 93.151.145.8 ( talk) 14:39, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Yes, so you follow my thesis, as the clubs you just cited are then called and spelled Barcelona and Real Madrid on their Wikipedia pages or on the player's boxes and tables, not Barcelona FC or Real Madrid CF.--
93.151.145.8 (
talk)
15:54, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
There is not yet consensus for this proposal from Nehme1499, who by the way has started to modify Milan to AC Milan all over Wikipedia pretending that he got a vast consensus as if a vote among the Wikipedia community has been organized or so... This is not how you should behave. You do not start to impose such a change while only 3 or 4 users have said that it's fine for them. For me, there is no reason to change the current situation and the arguments to support this change are unclear, trivial, and not solid at all. The club is called A.C. Milan for Associazione Calcio Milan, and as we do not write Arsenal FC on Wikipedia but Arsenal, we should not be obliged to write AC Milan as well. It is exactly the same situation, taking also into consideration that the club is called Milan in its country and by UEFA which is the most important football organization in Europe (see UEFA.com website).-- Bergenoslo ( talk) 17:43, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
I have a feeling the image added today may not be allowed to stay on there as a free image - I searched the image using Google Search and found the image on multiple websites including the Spanish article about him. Views? Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 18:00, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Hey! For Sandesh Gadkari, the infobox says that he plays for Mumbai which obviously isn't true since the club is now defunct. While I am sure that this is him, I can't seem to find when he last actually played before retiring. What would I do in this case, where we don't know when the player retired or, in other cases, what happened to them at all after leaving the professional leagues? -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 20:27, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Organising and subcategorising Category:Association football awards navigational boxes - by country and tournament etc. Giant Snowman 18:51, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Project members may be interested to help expand Mural of Marcus Rashford. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:54, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
This article has been tagged for sourcing issues since 2009. I quickly added his substantial obit from The Independent which could be used to source and expand further. I'm not really a football expert, so I am not going to do more. Best. 4meter4 ( talk) 00:29, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
I believe that this discussion got closed without a resolution. Having just checked the template, it now advises between three different potential layouts for the Competitive record section which does not allow for consistency therefore could we please come to a consensus as to the best way to display this data?
Year | Final Tournament | Qualification | |||||||||||||
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Round | Pld | W | D | L | F | A | Pos. | Pld | W | D | L | F | A | ||
1930 | Did not enter | Was not invited | |||||||||||||
1934 | Quarter finals | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 4 | 1st | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 2 |
Year | Final Tournament | Qualification | ||||||||||||||
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Round | Pld | W | D | L | F | A | Squad | Pos. | Pld | W | D | L | F | A | ||
France 1938 | Third place | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 12 | 10 | Squad | Qualified automaticlly | |||||||
Brazil 1950 | Runners-up | 6 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 22 | 6 | Squad | Qualified as hosts |
Year | Location | Final Tournament | Qualification | |||||||||||||
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Round | Pld | W | D | L | F | A | Pos. | Pld | W | D | L | F | A | |||
2018 | Russia | Group Stage | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 4 | 1st | 8 | 5 | 3 | 0 | 15 | 5 | |
2022 | Qatar | To be determined | 1st | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |||||||
2026 |
Canada Mexico United States |
To be determined |
Draws include knockout matches decided on penalty kicks; correct as of 28 June 2018 after the match against Colombia.
FIFA World Cup record | FIFA World Cup qualification record | |||||||||||||||
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Year | Round | Position | Pld | W | D | L | GF | GA | Squad | Position | Pld | W | D | L | GF | GA |
1930 | Did not enter | Was not invited | ||||||||||||||
1934 | Quarter-finals | 6th | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 4 | Squad | 1st | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 2 |
Which Example do people prefer? @ REDMAN 2019: @ SuperJew: @ Stevie fae Scotland: @ Lee Vilenski:
To throw my two cents in, I like the 4th Example and would argue that MOS:FLAGS actually allows for this. The reason that I feel that this is the best format is that it easily distinguishes the different tournaments without cluttering the table and, as the country that hosted the tournament isn't the primary focus of the table, listing it fully doesn't feel necessary to me but I'd be delighted to hear your opinions and come to some conclusion so that all National Team pages can fall under the same template! Felixsv7 ( talk) 17:34, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
"Words as the primary means of communication should be given greater precedence over flags, and flags should not change the expected style or layout of infoboxes or lists to the detriment of words."There's also
"The name of a flag's political entity should appear adjacent to the first use of the flag, as no reader is familiar with every flag, and many flags differ only in minor details", so if you haven't used the flag already in the article, you'd have to state the country name as well. As much as I don't think it matters where it was played in a table like this, if it is important, you can simply write the country out, like so below. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 17:52, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
FIFA World Cup record | FIFA World Cup qualification record | |||||||||||||||
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Year | Round | Position | Pld | W | D | L | GF | GA | Squad | Position | Pld | W | D | L | GF | GA |
Uruguay 1930 | Did not enter | Was not invited | ||||||||||||||
Italy 1934 | Quarter-finals | 6th | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 4 | Squad | 1st | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 2 |
FIFA World Cup record | FIFA World Cup qualification record | |||||||||||||||
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Year | Round | Position | Pld | W | D | L | GF | GA | Position | Pld | W | D | L | GF | GA | |
Uruguay 1930 | Did not enter | Was not invited | ||||||||||||||
Italy 1934 | Quarter-finals | 6th | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 4 | 1st | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 2 |
FIFA World Cup | Qualification | ||||||||||||||||
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Year | Host | Round | Pld | W | D | L | F | A | Squad | Pos. | Pld | W | D | L | F | A | |
2018 | Russia | Group Stage | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 4 | Squad | 1st | 8 | 5 | 3 | 0 | 15 | 5 | |
2022 | Qatar | To be determined | 1st | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||||||||
2026 |
Canada Mexico United States |
To be determined |
There has been many discussions in the past ( 1 and 2) about the need to update the Club seasons guideline without result. This has caused many disagreements recently between editors. There are some editors who see the MOS in dire need to be updated. This is a proposal of what an updated guideline that an editor worked on might look like. All suggestions are welcome. Keeping it as it is or leaving it up to the user's discretion are all possible suggestions.:-- Sakiv ( talk) 14:31, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
include reports on profit made during the season- a casual reader wouldn't care whether they made £3.7 million or £4.1 million in a season. And "Other statistics" would likely just encourage people to add whatever random stats they feel like, violating WP:NOTSTATS.
using tables looks outdated and has not seen significant changes since the inception of the guideline- that usually means that tables look fine. If you have a specific table style, I'd be more than willing to weigh in on the pros and cons of the contrasting tables. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 11:11, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
A note on one specific aspect of the draft guideline linked by @ Sakiv:. Linked text in Wikipedia usually has a colour value of #0645AD (see: WP:LINKCOLOR), though for cross-language Wikipedia links, this color value changes to #3366BB. At all times we should promote accessibility, and ensure that everybody can read the encyclopedia, which means, among other things, meeting WCAG 2.1 colour contrast guidelines (see WP:CONTRAST). If we use #0645AD as our benchmark for text colour, the colours chosen in the draft guideline to indicate a win or a loss, as well as for Champions League qualification and relegation, fail the WCAG 2.1 test. If we use #3366BB as our benchmark for text colour, none of the colours chosen in the league table pass the WCAG 2.1 test. I'd say it's better to target the default link colour, #0645AD, as this covers 99.9% of use cases on the English Wikipedia. I'd favour using the colour guide contained in WP:COLOURS to choose appropriate colours for W/L/D, as well as league positions - #E6FFE6 for a win, #FFFFE6 for a draw, #FFE6E6 for a loss. Everything in column two of the colour guide in WP:COLOURS ought to be appropriate, except at hue 240, which fails. Domeditrix ( talk) 18:56, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
I have question since I did not find anything at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players: Should we mention the loaning club in the info box like this or should the "on loan from ..." be removed? -- Jaellee ( talk) 09:35, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Have I missed something, I have been reverted on Sarpreet Singh article because I undid an IP edit that put loaned from next to current club in the infobox. The fact that he's on loan is already stated in lede, in the article and under senior career now. I can't see the need for it to be with current club as well. I believe that should just be the team the player is playing for.
Then I corrected in the lede another IP edit that had displayed it to say loan is from Bayern Munich instead of Bayern Munich II and removed the loan information again by current club. Only for it to be re-added by Jaellee. I don't want to get into an edit war with them on it but it seems like it's not best practise to me, to have loaned from in current club field when you are having to used break text to display it plus it's displayed in infobox anyway under senior career that's its a loan. Would like others thoughts? — NZFC (talk) (cont) 09:37, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Which clubs should be displayed in the "Players" section of national teams ( example), the current clubs (e.g. PSG for Donnarumma) or the clubs at the latest call-up (AC Milan)? I thought that we should be displaying the clubs at the present day (both for the current squad and recent call-ups). Nehme 1499 16:59, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
But actually Donnarumma who now plays for PSG has not received any call yet. The information given - The following 26 players were selected for the UEFA Euro 2020 - matches with the fact we should report club last call. Island92 ( talk) 18:40, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
The current age can be easily updated when necessary. What does exactly mean the section named "Current squad"? The last squad called so as to attend a major tournament or friendly match or the current squad of everyday in accordance with which club the player is playing? Island92 ( talk) 18:53, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Ok, but Donnarumma is listed into the table, according to the source provived as AC Milan player because he was playing for AC Milan as he was called to attend Euro 2020 tournament. Island92 ( talk) 19:00, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
It is a contrast, in any case. The information given - The following 26 players were selected for the UEFA Euro 2020 - means Donnarumma wasn't playing for PSG at the time he was called. Putting PSG is simply wrong. I think my thought has been understood about this aspect. I do not go on and I let other user say what they think. Island92 ( talk) 19:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Another question here, if we keep clubs and age as per when called-up, should we also not update the caps and goals? -- SuperJew ( talk) 20:26, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
It depends on the call. The most recent call means the most recent club the player plays for to be updated. The main fact is based on the statement above with source. During Euro 2020 Donnarumma was an AC Milan player. Island92 ( talk) 20:49, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Current clubs, of course. Kindly remember that a "club" season is officially over on 30th June, and the new season starts on 1st of July, when usually also the player's contracts start. So it will be wrong information to write, for instance, that Donnarumma is still a player of his old club and not a PSG player. On the national team pages, the current club should be outlined, as it has always been. There was even no need to open this discussion.-- Bergenoslo ( talk) 09:38, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
A reason to put club as of the last call-up was present before starting this talk. Island92 ( talk) 12:52, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
You might think I tend to adopt that method (isn't mine), but actually not. I accept whatever other users suggest doing, but remember just the fact source says Milan, not PSG. That's why a ref can be considered being crucial to clarify it, much better than the statement above. Needless to say, what was added into Euro 2020 squads will be never changed (clubs). Do whatever you may think to be good enough to add in that section. Have a good time on the encyclopedia. Island92 ( talk) 13:45, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Please note that the user Neheme1499, once again, has started to modify the base model of the football national teams without having a large CONSENSUS for his proposed modifications.. and this is not the first time that this user operates like that, misrepresenting the democratic rules of Wikipedia and pretending to have a large consensus which he doesn't have. In addition, please note that this user focuses ONLY on changing the ITALIAN NATIONAL TEAM page, so he is not driven at all by the general interest. -- Bergenoslo ( talk) 17:15, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello. I have several questions about this table. Firt of all in the "signed in" section, for youth players, should we put the year they joined the club or the year they joined the first team? Example is Presnel Kimpembe, who joined the first team in 2014 but PSG in 2005. Second question is about the club free agents join from. If a player signed a contract before they became a free agent (like Georginio Wijnaldum), then it's clear the club they signed from should be written. But for Sergio Ramos, Gianluigi Donnarumma, and Alexandre Letellier, I have a dilemma. Should we write the club they previously played for or write "Free agent/Free agency" (IDK which one) and leave a note stating their previous club, a bit like what was done for players who got released (see previous discussion. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 17:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
The same type of table is found on
2020–21 Paris Saint-Germain F.C. season.
I think that instead of a statistics table like Nehme1499 suggested, we should just have a squad list (like for current squads of clubs).
Paul Vaurie (
talk)
15:33, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
In the "out" part of this section on this article, we established that we shouldn't write the next club for players that were released (like Kays Ruiz-Atil) but instead leave a note like such. Should we also do that for players that joined from free agency (like Gigio Donnarumma and Sergio Ramos)? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 19:49, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
@ SuperJew: Should “Unattached” be in italics? And why should we leave a note for released players but not for incoming free transfer signings? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 09:01, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Can I get some input in this discussion? Thank you. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 08:18, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello. How should we refer to transfer fees in the prose? For example, the transfer fee of a player is of ten million euros.
Option A: 10 million euros (do we wikilink euros or not?)
Option B: €10m
Option C: €10M
Option D: 10,000,000 euros
Option E: €10,000,000
Option F: 10m
Option G: 10M euros
Option H: €10 million
Option I: ten million euros.
Option J: another one? Make a suggestion?
Paul Vaurie (
talk)
16:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
On {{ Manchester United F.C. squad}} there are SO many players - something I haven't seen on other templates of this type. On 17 July, I removed all the players that weren't included in the first team per the Manchester United website. However, PeeJay decided to revert my changes, claiming that "these players are included because they have been registered with squad numbers for either domestic or European competitions". What is the solution? Should we include the players or not? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 08:28, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
I removed a section from this manager's page which intended to list match statistics for every match the manager has overseen. Currently another section in the article lists win-loss statistics for U17 and U19 matches, I think they should also be removed. Even though Borussia Dortmund U19 is a youth team of a big club, which RS cover this level of football? Agree? Geschichte ( talk) 09:04, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
I have genuinely tried hard to look for this. Earlier one of my created article titles was amended into the suffix '(Scottish footballer)' instead of '(footballer born 1879)' due to "standard dab". It's obviously not a big deal either way, but my understanding was the opposite - that the birth year should be used as disambig prior to nationality if it is known, as less potentially ambiguous. In this case the year is not in doubt, but neither is the nationality. Can someone direct me to the guideline either way? As I said, I did search but no joy. Crowsus ( talk) 18:25, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Could I please get more input here? @ Dustyveil: argues that, I quote, 'we don't have to add 'Stadium' after every names, there is a description before them that already stated they're stadiums, we only write names.' Qby ( talk) 09:30, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Due personal, I have no arguement. But according to your logic, almost every pages about stadiums wrote and capitalize "Stadium" in their official names, so we mentioned and repeated, for every single time, the term "Stadium" in their names when providing information about stadiums? The term "Stadium" is not part of the "official" name. Trimbarista ( talk) 16:58, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
According to your logic, almost every pages about stadiums wrote and capitalize "Stadium" in their official names, so we mentioned and repeated, for every single time, the term "Stadium" in their names when providing information about stadiums? The term "Stadium" is not part of the "official" name. Trimbarista ( talk) 16:58, 24 July 2021 (UTC) By the way, the current page of China women's national football team reminds me of this one Special:Permalink/1027033969, both doesn't fit with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/National teams. And the Tournaments section in the China women's national football team is quite similar compared to the Record section in Special:Permalink/1027033969. @ Felixsv7: and @ Badass Flare: Sorry to bother you, but may I ask your opinion on this matter? As you were involved in this kind of thing before. Qby ( talk) 14:51, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Still part of the terming problem, the wiki-link doesn't valued up. And the commonly used structure is not exempted from flaws. Prototyping the term "Stadium" is an example of how molecules of these structure are overstated. As stated, all sides need to be BOLD and not emnytizing other ideas. Trimbarista ( talk) 17:48, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Dustyveil is a disruptive (or possibly simply incompetent) editor who I recently blocked for messing up numerous articles. If they are continuing to do this, let me know, as they have been warned numerous times about their editing and are probably deserving of another block. Number 5 7 15:29, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
It is only a factor and doesn't rigidly apply to every circumstances. I have gradually and negotiably conform to many of your complaints yet you bring up further ones. There are specific thesis for different moves. Just because it's bold and somewhat different from a general view, it's not incompetent. The warning can't be associated with completely different complaints. Trimbarista ( talk) 17:21, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Qby, it seems like the same editor as the UAE page to me. Felixsv7 ( talk) 19:30, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Number 57: I'd keep an eye on GiofaniRahman as well as they have a similar editing history! Felixsv7 ( talk) 10:54, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
I've noticed that several pages contain a small error in a template. A typical example is here. If you search for the word "different" you'll see that the template used says "different to" in several places, where the standard English is "different from". Is it possible to change this, and, if so, how?
Thanks in advance for any help with this. RomanSpa ( talk) 19:00, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
How should participation in the Olympics be recorded in the infobox. It's a primarily U23 tournament, but 3 overage players are allowed. Should the teams be listed as "Country U23" or "Country Olympic". I've seen both. It doesn't make sense for the overagers to be listed as "U23" if they're older than that, but it seems impractical for the same team to be listed differently. (Note: the qualifying tournaments are U23 only and no overagers, so those could be considered U23). For example, Neymar lists his past participations as Brazil Olympic, André-Pierre Gignac for this tournament is listed as "France Olympic", all the Great Britain players in 2012 listed as "Great Britain Olympic", but then you have guys like Pedri, Unai Simón, and Marco Asensio (overage player) with Spain U23 in their infobox rather than Spain Olympic. RedPatch ( talk) 13:28, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
See Talk:2022 FIFA World Cup Walter Görlitz ( talk) 06:08, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
This generally includes major examples of: countries- this means that not major examples of countries should be links. So where is the line? How is a country determined as major or minor? Size? Population? Number of English speakers? -- SuperJew ( talk) 09:16, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello. In infoboxes, we refer to Stade Rennais F.C. as Rennes; in that case, should we refer to Stade Briochin as Saint-Brieuc? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 18:38, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
OK, let’s just go with Stade Briochin for now. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 00:33, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Should WP:ACMILAN also apply to AC Ajaccio? The club is in a similar situation, with Gazélec Ajaccio being the other club from Ajaccio. Gazélec is now in the fourth tier, but five years ago, they were in the Ligue 1, so I think they aren't just some minor club. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 17:45, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
From what I understand of the transfer, per Spurs source, he joins the club after the Olympics, so what date do you put down for him? I am not sure he should be added to the articles yet on that note either. Govvy ( talk) 13:29, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
It appears that there is some confusion with certain editors recently about which appearance goes where while he plays for the Olympics. I hope I am right in saying the Olympic appearances and goals should be added to the U23 statistics from this last revision before the Olympic editing began but a couple of other editors and an IP address seems to add the latest appearances in the wrong place. There should be some agreement to which version is definitely the right one, I'd say 7 appearances and 3 goals for the New Zealand U23's as of 14:41, 26 July 2021 (UTC). Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 14:41, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
He has Atleast 4 goals for the Under 23.
1 in 2012 Olympics 1 in a friendly for the 2021 Olympic season 2 so far in the 2021 olympics Eoin DAMM ( talk) 16:22, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/chris-wood/profil/spieler/108725 Eoin DAMM ( talk) 16:24, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
Stats for Wood:
2012 Olympics: vs. Belarus, vs. Egypt (1 goal), vs. Brazil 3(1) 2021 friendlies: vs. Australia (1 goal) 1(1) 2020 Olympics: vs. South Korea (1 goal), vs. Honduras (1 goal) 2(2) Total: 6(4) Someone mentioned another two games? -- SuperJew ( talk) 19:29, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
This is all turning a bit OR/SYNTHy - like Struway2 says, what if there are other games you have not been able ti find through your own research, and are therefore inadvertently adding incorrect information as 'fact'? Giant Snowman 09:56, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Can you help me to reach a concensus for this discussion Dr Salvus 16:47, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
I'll try to explain the issue. On 8 June 2021 Lega Serie A have published two statements in this page [2] (they're in italian). The first one is about the rules of 2021–22 Coppa Italia --> [3], the second one is an empty fixtures table based on ranks --> [4]. The point 3.1 of first statement establishes the criteria for formation of fixtures table: teams are ranked based on places they've reached in the previous season. E.g.: Juventus is ranked 1 because they won previous Coppa Italia, Inter is ranked 2 because they won 2020–21 Serie A, Milan is ranked 3 because they finished 2nd in previous Serie A etc. According to these official rules, @ Dr Salvus: and I have composed the fixtures, based on the table in the second statement. So for example Torino (ranked 17) will face Vicenza (ranked 32) and so on. However, Lega Serie A hasn't communicated fixtures yet, they've only published rules. In poor words, they haven't filled the table. So I'm asking: is writing fixtures considered an original research or must we wait for final announcement by Lega Serie A? Because that means that we can't even open the pages of next seasons of clubs before the start of championships unless an official statement says they will participate.-- Andyen94 ( talk) 17:17, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Category:Spanish sportspeople of African descent
To me this category (which contains a number of footballers) looks like overkill - any thoughts before I take to CFD? Giant Snowman 09:53, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Nehme1499: why are you creating new categories whilst the merits of them are still being discussed here? Giant Snowman 14:31, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
I always find these type of categories a bit strange, it's like a category for Find my past! Govvy ( talk) 13:57, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
This isn't in common usage, is it? Author of the edit says it is. I didn't see it in the Premier League club articles. - Seasider53 ( talk) 11:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Sergio Rico has played one match for the Spain national team back in June 2016. It has been over 5 years since his appearance, and if I remember correctly, the consensus was to close the international career if a player didn’t play for the national team for 5 years (like for Benzema). Now, Rico’s last call-up for Spain dates to March 2017 (according to what I could find.) Should we close the international career? If yes, should it be just 2016 or 2016–2017? Paul Vaurie ( talk) 23:17, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi folks. I could use more eyes at Danny Makkelie. An WP:SPA editor, Kleikema, has been edit-warring to remove criticism from the article. In my view, the criticism is both reliably sourced and WP:DUE: the penalty in England v Denmark match was widely discussed during the Euros.
At their Talk page, I have pointed out various relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines such as Wikipedia:Verifiability, WP:DUE, and WP:BRD.
In light of WP:COI concerns, I have also asked the editor whether they know Makkelie "personally or professionally". Their emotionality and their username ("Kleikema" is an anagram of Makkelie) would suggest as much. They have not responded to the question. Robby.is.on ( talk) 13:09, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
Following a newspaper doesn’t mean it’s factual.Wikipedia follows the sources. I have pointed out Wikipedia:Verifiability to you a few times now. Have you read it?
he intends to put makkelie in a bad lightStop making bad-faith accusations. WP:AGF is a basic tenet of Wikipedia. Robby.is.on ( talk) 13:41, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
If a player has represented a country at the Universiade Games, does that count for listing a player's nationality? It's an internationally recognized tournament, just not a FIFA one, but technically the Olympics aren't FIFA either, but we would accept that for a player's nationality. Is it also acceptable for the infobox (i.e. "Country Universiade" #(#) or no?). I ask because I was editing Lukas MacNaughton and I was reverted on his club page for changing his nationality to Canada which he represented in those tournaments (nation of his birth USA also competed, but he didn't represent them). Some players do have it in their infobox, for example Reo Hatate RedPatch ( talk) 22:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Is there anything that can be done about an IP range or is it just something that is going to have to be monitored? IP starting 88.232 keeps editing football articles and nearly all the edits are disruptive. Just got one IP number banned for 32 hours but not sure looking at range history if that is going to be enough? Wondered if others have dealt with something like this before? — NZFC (talk) (cont) 21:50, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Not sure of the logic of these edits made by various IP's, this disruption (e.g. here) has been going on for a couple of days. A page protection should stop, however, the page history with when these edits were made shows many of us is in nighttime so many of you may be unaware of this except for me this morning. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 10:08, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi everyone - Is there a specific MOS to Scottish football clubs that I'm unaware of and cannot seem to find? I ask this because in about 90% of infoboxes for Scottish clubs, the League Cup is always positioned above the Scottish Cup. Not only do I not like this as I think it suggests that the league cup is more prestigious or important than the national cup, but it's also against the MOS standard of League then National Cup and then League Cup. I've also found that a lot of footballers in Scotland who have won both cups, tend to have the League Cup positioned above the Scottish Cup in their honours section - which I think is a result of the incorrect positioning that's been done in the infobox. If there is a specific MOS for Scottish football to organize like this then that is one thing but if the argument is that the league cup in Scotland is finished before the national cup then that is not justifiable as that's the case in every country. Thanks. Rupert1904 ( talk) 20:30, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
I have been trying to add a table of international tournament participated by footballers under the column of 'international career' on their page, however, my multiple edits were reverted by several other editors. They kindly reminded me that I need to seek for consensus here, but I don't really know how this works. I've seen similar tables in the Spanish language version wikipedia, and I think it helps massively when I check the pages of the players that I wasn't familiar with before, so it became an idea recently that I should add this to the English version Wiki, my original intention was that this could definitely help people. Peilin99 ( talk) 15:48, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Came across this in the new page feed and wondered if there was an older article or another one to redirect too. At the moment, it's very flat information wise! I did think it could be a redirect to somewhere, I also felt that WP:NOTNEWS might also apply. Govvy ( talk) 15:13, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
I recently made this edit to Ben White's career statistics table, putting the U23 stats below the senior stats as he made his senior debut before his EFL Trophy debut, and adding rows for seasons where White did not play for Brighton's first team as per WP:FOOTY/Players (my recollection was there was no concensus in that discussion on Ike Ugbo, but lost track as that discussion was so long and Ugbo's seems to be including those rows with 0s, so I added them at White's article like that). The former part was reverted by Daemonickangaroo2018, with that rationale that 'under-23 should go first' and the latter by Mattythewhite. So, should (a) clubs in these tables be arranged chronologially, such that U23 goes below first-team when the player played for the first-team first, and (b) rows be included for the parent club even when they fail to play, as is shown in WP:FOOTY/Players. Many thanks, Microwave Anarchist ( talk) 14:30, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
'empty' rows should be displayed when a player is out on loan as per MOSis per GiantSnowman's (and some other editors) reading of the MoS, while others don't read it that way as it is ambiguious regarding what to display for players out of loan. There was a big discussion about this in the past few months and no consensus was reached. -- SuperJew ( talk) 22:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Good evening, it's two stadium different stages: Stadion Wiener Neustadt (Demolished in 23 April 2020 [5], [6], [7]) ≠ Wiener Neustadt Arena (Opened in 28 September 2019 [8], [9]). Thank you. Arturo63 ( talk) 22:34, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
Could someone update the logo for Vannes OC? Thanks. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 16:39, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Is he notable enough now to warrant an article? He just moved for £5 million to the Southampton first-team and is a member of the England U-20 team. Or should we wait until he makes his senior club debut? Thanks. Rupert1904 ( talk) 17:11, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Rupert1904 ( talk) 22:48, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Are canceled friendly matches worthy of inclusion in club season articles? SLBedit ( talk) 21:21, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
A user (@ Mitch Ames:) has used AWB to remove valid categories such as Category:Greek football managers and Category:Australian soccer coaches from articles (now reverted). However, they were not tagged as non-diffusing, hence the confusion - should we run a bot or similar to tag all parent categories in Category:Association football managers by nationality (and Category:Association football players by nationality to avoid further confusion? Giant Snowman 06:11, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
participants in a WikiProject cannot decide that some generally accepted policy or guideline does not apply to articles within its scope.Mitch Ames ( talk) 10:25, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
they just need to be tagged appropriately— Then please do that. Mitch Ames ( talk) 12:04, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Please help with an imminent edit war on Danny Ings between myself and User:RossButsy. He is of the opinion that only the Aston Villa article about his transfer should be included as a citation, whereas I think that at least one other source independent of the club (preferably the BBC) should be cited. In my experience, club articles are fairly temporary and are taken down after a year or so, whereas BBC articles remain available online permanently. He also objects to any reference to a transfer fee with the rather bizarre logic: "the club source doesn’t mention a fee because there is no fee when it says undisclosed it stays as undisclosed". Any help with coming to common ground would be appreciated. Daemonickangaroo2018 ( talk) 13:19, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
club articles are fairly temporary and are taken down after a year or so, that can be the case in a lot of stuff - many times sites reorganize their format and then links change around and they don't always bother redirecting (have had this on the A-League site, the clubs' sites, the FIFA site, FourFourTwo/FTBL, and many more). The solution is to create an archived version using a web crawler (like this one) if there isn't one already created automatically, and link it in the ref at the "archiveurl" parameter. -- SuperJew ( talk) 16:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi all, sorry if this has already been discussed. Where does the community stand on these lists? I saw List of Football at the Summer Olympics penalty shoot-outs and thought it was a cool topic but not sure where it stands on notability in terms of specific sources covering the intersection of 'penalty shoot-outs' at 'x tournament'. I found the following:
The only odd one out is the last one, which does include a list of sources. Of course, match reports could be added for the rest as well by going through match reports and newspaper archives but the merit of topic is still somewhat questionable. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Editors who have asked to be kept informedSpike 'em ( talk) 18:45, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
See Special:Contributions/23shlomomaman23. Is this a desired categorization? Geschichte ( talk) 07:32, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
We then need to purge the rest of the Category:Expatriate footballers by nationality and country of residence. Geschichte ( talk) 09:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
In examining the official FIFA source for the women's Olympic tournament, I discovered that Ellen White (footballer) and Steph Houghton have legally taken their husbands' names, while continuing their work under their maiden names. [11] On White, this was reverted with the explanation that it's "wrong" because she is still called Ellen White as a player. [12] I reverted this back because the logic is faulty and FIFA should be a reliable source, or thousands of pages on men and women need revising. There doesn't seem to have been any problem on Alex Morgan (a Good Article) in using FIFA to prove that she now has a married surname but still plays as Morgan. Please can somebody keep an eye on these pages before it turns into a lame edit war. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:7D66:53DB:E519:5646 ( talk) 15:28, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
In an article such as Ellen White (footballer), I would definitely start the article with Ellen Toni White (married Convery; born... etc. The same thing goes for artists that were known under a name when they were young, and then married to another name many, many years later. In addition, when people get even older, may be married two times or more, changing their married name every time. Geschichte ( talk) 10:03, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
I was looking through the Alisson article and noticed the category "Association football goalkeepers who have scored" has disappeared so I thought I may need to add this in as other goalkeepers who scored indeed had that category, before discovering the category has been deleted. Oh well, I didn't notice there was a discussion on that back in June. Seems reasonable as to why it was deleted. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 11:37, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Hey, on Chelsea's current season page, there seems to be direct plagarism in the review section (copied word for word from the sources). I haven't actually come across such an issue in all my time on Wikipedia, so wanted to ask for advice here first before acting. -- SuperJew ( talk) 20:07, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
I think for the big European (and South American) teams there is no need to list fourth or semi-final (no medal)!!! In fact, just stating the champion, runner-up and 3rd place is enough for the big teams in the world. 2001:EE0:41C1:96F3:E43D:6AE9:4206:F1EA ( talk) 08:22, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
2001:EE0:41C1:96F3:E43D:6AE9:4206:F1EA ( talk) 10:27, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone know of a reliable source for Football League players' squad numbers in previous seasons? Specifically I am looking at the 1999-2000 season, the first season in which the Football League used them. Soccerbase doesn't list them, Soccerway doesn't even have squad data that far back, and beyond that I'm not really sure where else to look...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:54, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Omoyinmi 38, Williams 39. Both played in the match cited: <ref>{{cite web |url=https://enfa.co.uk/ |title=Matches: 18 September 1999: Gillingham 0–2 Preston North End |website=English National Football Archive |access-date=10 August 2021 |url-access=subscription}}</ref> cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 11:59, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
@ ChrisTheDude:, aa, good ol Junior Lewis was in the Gills squad then, I've played a little footy with him on the Barnet training pitch many years ago. Govvy ( talk) 12:44, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello! I see that the colors of many national football team templates are changed. Why can't you have the established like they was previously. Like on the templates of Paraguay, South Africa, Morocco, Belgium and so forth. Yours sincerely, Sondre -- 88.89.103.4 ( talk) 15:15, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Is 2000 England v Germany football match really notable enough for an individual article? Just because England manager Kevin Keegan resigned after the match, that doesn't mean we need an article about the match. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 10:29, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
So, Pellistri was on loan at Alaves from Manchester United last season. He returned to United after 30th June, appeared in pre season matches and even scored a goal. He rejoined Alaves on loan after it. So I guess we should show it as separate loan spells in his infobox? I did the same earlier, however an IP thinks it should be a single loan spell. What would be the right way to show it? Let me know your opinions. Thanks in advance. Kokoeist ( talk) 17:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Adam Morgan scored twice this evening for Chelmsford City's reserves in the Essex and Suffolk Border Football League. Would this merit infobox inclusion? I know we include foreign players' reserve stats in their infoboxes if they're playing in countries like Spain, France, Romania, Germany, etc., but not sure on our general viewpoint on reserve stats in English players' infoboxes if the league is a part of the English pyramid (probably because reserve teams in the English pyramid isn't really a thing). NouveauSarfas ( Talk page) 19:34, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Although the transfer of Cristian Romero from Atalanta to Tottenham was officially announced earlier today, the reports of the transaction from both clubs contradict each other. Atalanta claims that the transfer was a loan with option to buy, contradictory to every previous report (and every third party source, even those published after the announcement), while Tottenham makes no mention of a loan but also does not claim a definite sale or contract length. This article was recently published highlighting the issue, and I will also confidently say that there's no translation issue, as the website says exactly the same thing in Italian. How should this be dealt with? ComplexRational ( talk) 21:41, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
The BBC are now reporting this as a permanent signing for a fee of “about £47m” [14]. Daemonickangaroo2018 ( talk) 06:45, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
@ ComplexRational: This just popped up if you're interested. https://www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/transfer-news/cristian-romero-tottenham-agreement-confirmed-21252266 Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 16:05, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Hey team, may someone review the above page and move to mainspace? Debuted in the EFL Cup yesterday.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 14:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
How are the FIFA Rankings updated?
I noticed on the Canada page it just says | FIFA Rank = {{FIFA World Rankings|CAN|mdy=y}} but I don't understand where the number comes from or how this works. I wanted to change it as the ranking updated today. -- MattBinYYC ( talk) 08:45, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi guys, I've had a Good Topic candidate listed for nearly three months with only four responses. I think it's pretty close to getting over the line for promotion, but I think a couple more !votes would get it there. Of course, if there's anything you think needs improving, do let me know! – Pee Jay 13:22, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Could someone help me organize Béni Makouana’s infobox? I don’t know how to differentiate the youth career from the senior career in it. This guy’s early career is confusing. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 14:18, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
I asked where the number is from [15] , can someone else deal with this guy before I blow a gasket! Govvy ( talk) 16:54, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
If a coach/manager is named the interim/caretaker manager upon the dismissal of the previous manager, then a couple of weeks later is officially named the permanent manager, should it be two separate spells or just one. I put it as just one spell at Javier Pérez (soccer coach), since it's still the same role and basically just a contract extension. However, someone just changed it to two separate instances, one as interim and one as permanent. When an assistant manager takes over for a match due to the main manager being suspended/ill/otherwise unavailable, we don't list them as the first-team manager in the infobox. RedPatch ( talk) 16:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
I came across this doubt recently while editing Spanish football: how should we list the player name in the squad template? Always the name, always the surname, the way the player is widely known or what his shirt actually states? I'm more in favour of the last one, so users can actually identify the player on the field through the template, but I'm not sure... BRDude70 ( talk) 18:47, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello, a small number of IP addresses has edited the article thinking the player's time at Chelsea is over, however I don't see any news from sources about that. It should remain as 2019– but I have a feeling the IP addresses will notice and change it back to what they think. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 06:12, 13 August 2021 (UTC)