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So, I've noticed myself when referring to clubs, subconsciously adding the word "the" when referring to teams with a 'nickname' as part of their official name versus teams with a more common name. I just noticed myself doing this without thinking since in my head it was just what sounded correct and was wondering what should be done for these teams, particularly North American teams. Teams with just an FC or similar, I don't use the 'the', but with other teams I do. For example, I noticed my writing has been like such: Player X plays for FC Dallas or Player Y scored his first goal against FC Dallas versus Player A plays for the Seattle Sounders or in a match against the Seattle Sounders... I feel like the correct way to do this would be to omit the "the" even though grammatically it might sound better, so its consistent. This has probably been discussed before. RedPatchBoy ( talk) 13:40, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Prior to the start of the 2019/20 campaign, the Millwall Lionesses are delighted to announce our new club captain and other members of our new squad.So, in short, the rule is fluid.
Take Álvaro Morata, should the lede read: "..., on loan from La Liga club Atlético Madrid,..."? Nehme1499 ( talk) 23:59, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
I would not link per WP:OVERLINK as suggested above. Giant Snowman`
loan definition:
loan; noun; a thing that is borrowed...or
verb; lend (a sum of money or item of property).
lend definition:
lend; verb; grant to (someone) the use of (something) on the understanding that it will be returned.
So where do we stand on this? Are we to implement a blanket ban on linking to Loan (sports), seeing as it's seemingly taken for granted that all our readers understand the sporting context of the term? Mattythewhite ( talk) 18:16, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
A potential power abusing of
Mattythewhite and EDIT WAR INITIATION at
Kristoffer Ajer. I gave my explanation on why soccerbase/eurorivals is the better source at revision 962902990 summary. Instead of providing a good explanation, :@
Mattythewhite: constantly revert my edit with an absolutely reasonable reason : "Soccerway is a better source" since June. From my pov only, isn't this an edit war act ?
Undergroundmall (
talk)
09:08, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Weird how heights are such a hot button issue for some people.-- Echetus Xe 14:01, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Not very subtle. Koncorde ( talk) 16:07, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm wondering what we should in cases like this, where the text for some club names overlap? I don't think shortening the names (e.g. Braintree Town to Braintree) is ideal as we ought to be explicit that we're referring to the club rather than the location and it creates inconsistency. However, text that overlaps and is difficult to read is obviously an accessibility issue. Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 16:38, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
FC Rapid București strip is currently subject to a requested merge but there is a possibly valid argument to delete as well as suggested by User:Crowsus in that discussion. Are we allowed to put the article up for AfD or do we need to wait a certain number of days/weeks because there is a merge discussion in place? Spiderone 08:33, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
I've been given this info by an editor. Are we not allowed to copyedit anymore? - Seasider53 ( talk) 12:40, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
First the Segunda Liga, then the LigaPro and now the Liga Portugal 2? I can't remember it correctly, but i think it's the Iranian top tier that has had six or seven article names since i edit here.
Shouldn't we be consistent and name the tournaments (in Portugal's case) Primeira Liga and Segunda Liga? Just a doubt, not belittling anyone's work.
Attentively -- Quite A Character ( talk) 05:29, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
This guy keeps removing the mascot section which is completely sourced. I'm done with the disruptive editor, can someone else deal with him. Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 20:00, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello all. I know the three sources above are used almost ubiquitously by the project, but can someone provide me with evidence (or consensus of) their reliability please? A reasonable question on the editorial oversight of each source has been raised at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/2002 Football League First Division play-off Final/archive1. Cheers in advance. The Rambling Man ( Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 16:12, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
I was sure we were supposed to list the seasons in chronological order. At Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players, shouldn't it be "2010-11, 2010-11, 2011-12, 2011-12", instead of "2010-11, 2011-12, 2010-11, 2011-12"? Nehme1499 ( talk) 17:41, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
The stats table is completely out of date if anyone wants to take it on, soccerway seems to be accurate, soccerbase hasn't been keeping up. Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 12:25, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
I've been editing netball articles recently. The equivalent project page is inactive, so I thought I'd look for some expertise here. Recently started Australian Institute of Sport (netball). However in the last week or so, a load of links to www.clearinghouseforsport.gov.au disappeared. This was a valuable resource. I have left messages at various archivists looking for help but got no reply. Any help would be appreciated. Djln Djln ( talk) 13:23, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
I know according to the MOS, we only link the league in the Career Stats box the first time it appears and any subsequent appearances we just leave in normal black font. What about a situation where the League changes names though. For example, the Portuguese second division which was called Liga da Honra, then in 2012 Segunda Liga, then in 2016 LigaPro, then now Liga Portugal 2. For example, this player played in it when it was called Liga da Honra then a few years later returned when it was called Segunda Liga. Should it be linked for both name variants which would direct to the same article, for readers who wouldn't know they are the same league? RedPatchBoy ( talk) 18:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi all,
The current Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/National teams template doesn't bare much resemblance to any of the national team pages at the moment (besides the infobox) therefore I was hoping that people would have an opinion for how best to standardise these pages. I've put a template together on my sandbox (link in the Subject line) and would appreciate any suggestions, especially for the naming of each heading (and their subcategories), order they should come in, and any template tables that should be added that I've not already included. Felixsv7 ( talk) 21:24, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi, could an admin please protect 2020–21 A-League for the short-term (2 months) until the beginning of the season? IP's keep on adding rumoured players. -- SuperJew ( talk) 22:14, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
If we have a club which dissolved in year X, then in year Y a club was reformed with the same name. How do we disambiguate between the names? I just saw Wacker Innsbruck which the current team is FC Wacker Innsbruck (2002) and the defunct is FC Wacker Innsbruck. OTOH there's Accrington Stanley which the current team is Accrington Stanley F.C. and the defunct is Accrington Stanley F.C. (1891). So do we have a regular convention for naming in such cases? -- SuperJew ( talk) 15:09, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Has there ever been any discussion about including clean sheets in a goalkeeper's infobox stats and career stats section rather than goals? Obviously, scoring goals is really an outfield statistic and obviously a goalkeeper isn't rated/graded on how many goals he or she scores but how many they keep out. I know there are some instances of legendary goalscoring keepers like Rogério Ceni or the keeper who will get an odd header or fluke, bouncing long ball goal but I've never thought it really made sense that we include how many goals they score as the only definitive stat on their page. It would make more sense to me to include clean sheets or goals allowed (as done with managerial stats tables).
Separately, on managerial stats tables, has there ever been a discussion about including the record by season with each club rather than just overall record at each club? I think this would be useful. Thanks all. Rupert1904 ( talk) 20:47, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Is Semih Şentürk really the most capped and best goalscorer of Turkey national under-21 football team with 83 caps and 42 goals. It was added in July 2008 to the article but the stats doesn't make sense to me. -- Fredde ( talk) 20:38, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
This is not something in which I am particularly experienced, so I could use some help. Major League Soccer just announced that they will be using points per game for their tables. I know this was recently done for the 2019–20 Ligue 1, so I was hoping someone more familiar with templates could help (the teams are currently not sorting in order). Relevant templates are these:
Thanks! Jay eyem ( talk) 21:12, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Amad Traoré has more results on Google as "Traoré" ( 415k v 178k), but both Atalanta and Manchester United seem to call him "Diallo". Where should his page be located? Nehme1499 ( talk) 16:32, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
formerly known as Amad Diallo Traorérather than
born / né Amad Diallo Traoré. Spike 'em ( talk) 17:59, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Just a polite reminder (especially for @ SBFCEdit: making questionable edits like this) that we should NOT update scores/results/player stats etc. until a match has finished, or at least until a player's involvement in the match has ended. That avoids any confusion/well meaning editors inadvertently adding false stats etc. Giant Snowman 15:27, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- So, I think updating even immediately after a match finishes is WP:OR. Can we all agree to calm down, and simply update after matches have finished? Can I ask where we are sourcing the caps, goals etc in the infoboxes? We should really be citing directly to a single source and not source in theory to a database, failing WP:V. In the snooker project, we have WP:LIVESCORES, but maybe this should be strung out to be a bit wider to include further sports? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 19:19, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
I feel you are looking far to deep, and from my view you're miss-reading what SYNTH is about. I can understand the OR argument, however we provide a stats table which is sourced which covers that point. So in my view your argument becomes void. Govvy ( talk) 21:49, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Oh look, over eager editors updating stats during the game that turn out to be incorrect when the match finishes (JWP scored a further goal!) Giant Snowman 14:03, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Afternoon all. Probably of most interest to @ Govvy:, but I know there's a few Totts fans out there. Anyway it looks like all the embedded match reports on at least 2008–09 Tottenham Hotspur F.C. season, 2009–10 Tottenham Hotspur F.C. season, 2010–11 Tottenham Hotspur F.C. season (for example) are dead as they were linked to Tottenhams own website and they have decided to bin them off in some fashion or another. It may be that some articles used have been moved to their "Archived News" section, but it's not easy to just search that. Post 2011 appears like we are using BBC articles which look fine. Anyway, just a reminder to all that club websites are notorious for this sort of stuff so be careful when depending on it as references, but particularly as direct links. Any article using the site for a specific historic article might need checking for the new archive URL if one exists. Koncorde ( talk) 15:26, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
So, last week this random page ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Real Madrid task force/layout/assessment) of the task force was discovered when it was vandalized and led to its deletion since it was never set up. See the deletion vote page here. Several users analyzed the task force and realized it is inactive, nor was it ever really active. It has a few pages linked to it, but it doesn't appear to have done anything ever. Several users in the deletion vote for the page deletion were in favour of just scrapping the entire task force since it wasn't active. See the above link to deletion discussion for more info . RedPatchBoy ( talk) 00:33, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
How do you set up a deletion nomination for a Task Force? Is it different than for an article? RedPatchBoy ( talk) 11:10, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Likewise, what's this all about? Microwave Anarchist ( talk) 12:50, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Ryan Fyffe was released by Inverness Caledonian Thistle before re-signing for them a few months later. Should this count as one spell at the club, or two? Microwave Anarchist ( talk) 10:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
This weekend sees the semi-finals of the 2019–20 Scottish Cup. Since it's last season's competition but it's taking place during this season how should appearances in these matches be recorded in Career statistics tables? It's easy enough for players who were with their current clubs last season, but what about players who transferred to one of these clubs for this season?
Using Craig Gordon as an example who has gone from Celtic to Hearts do we: 1. Create a row in the table for the 2019–20 Hearts season and record the appearance there? or 2. Record it in the 2020–21 Hearts season row, with a note explaining the appearance was in the 2019–20 competition? A Well Fan ( talk) 22:24, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
An issue though - this. Players who signed for the club at the start of the 2020-21 season, technically playing in the 2019-20 competition... thoughts? Giant Snowman 08:11, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Yesterday, Safa SC beat Tadamon Sour SC 2–0. However, as Tadamon Sour had fielded six substitutes (one more than the limit of five), the match was turned into a 3–0 win to Safa. How should this be indicated in the 2020–21 Lebanese Premier League table? Nehme1499 ( talk) 14:43, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
So this Kyle Bartley profile pic may just be the finest one I have ever seen on wikipedia. I am not sure if it's the fact he's playing the human bagpipe, or the way his nose is being ever so gently tweaked, or the fact it has been up there for almost 11 years and is one of the default suggested images on google. Well played Celtic fans, well played. Koncorde ( talk) 18:41, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
LOL ::@ Koncorde:! How about this one ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Paolo_Castellini&diff=prev&oldid=462993352)? -- Quite A Character ( talk) 04:02, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello. Could someone possibly add the club logo to this Wikipedia article? I do not know how to do it and make it under fair use. Thank you to the person that takes action on this. Have a great day. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 18:12, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
BosnianBeast60 ( talk · contribs) repeatedly adds flags to managerial statistics tables like in this edit. Up to now, I've reverted these edits with a reference to MOS:FLAGICON and tried to talk to the editor but they don't seem to communicate. If consensus is that managerial statistics tables should not contain statistics tables, then how should I further proceed? -- Jaellee ( talk) 11:30, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
User is adding them (back), do we have a consensus for them to be included or excluded? Kante4 ( talk) 12:11, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Ok , i saw someone created Template:Club Stats of Kaká, but did it even needed? After fork out the content , the Kaka article size is 133,108 bytes for reference . Matthew hk ( talk) 21:05, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Thoughts on Category:FA Cup Final players? I think it's OVERCAT personally. Giant Snowman 10:26, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Can anyone provide a compelling reason why the infobox for a football competition season needs an entry for the competition's defending champions? The team that won the tournament the year before is not relevant enough to this season's competition to be worth putting in the infobox, surely? – Pee Jay 15:03, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi folks. Does it occur commonly that someone
This looks very odd to me. Every article I have created so far was pretty much the finished article when I created it. Robby.is.on ( talk) 22:19, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
What's going on here? Looks fine on mobile but out of alignment on desktop. OGLV ( talk) 19:31, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I am just confused why the official name of this stadium is said to be Groupama Aréna when the name of the article is just Groupama Arena. Should we move this page to make it have an accent (like the official name of the stadium suggests?) And if not, why is the article called Arena without an accent on the e? Thanks and best regards to whoever reads this, Paul Vaurie ( talk) 13:57, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Is there anyone around who has access to the ENFA (or any other possible source) and would be willing to fill in the Southend United part of Jimmy Nelson's stats table if possible? Kosack ( talk) 16:04, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
I was wondering if this article really passes WP:GNG, I am finding the language barrier for sources rather annoying towards notability. I definitely feel 2019–20 Karnataka Women's League season should be delete know. Thoughts? Govvy ( talk) 09:25, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't think the men's equivalent ( 2019–20 Bangalore Super Division) needs season articles either. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 13:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
I actually would like some clarification on this. Beyond passing GNG, what is the typical cutoff for league season articles? I know they typically go a little bit past FPL (e.g. Regionalliga articles), but I wasn't sure if there was a rule of thumb that was typical here. Especially for non-English leagues, where sources in English can be hard to come by. Jay eyem ( talk) 00:47, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Now that the official world rankings are simply an adjusted Elo as of 2018, can we remove the Elo sections of Template:Infobox national football team? Bzweebl ( talk • contribs) 06:55, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Yogabrata has been making a substantial number of edits to club articles. Some of the additions are questionable, linking nations, changing existing links etc. One of the main changes is also the addition of italics to club nicknames in infoboxes. I've seen a few reverts of these so was wondering what the opinion is on this? Are italics needed for nicknames in the infobox? Kosack ( talk) 08:11, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
He isn't slowing down guys? Koncorde ( talk) 02:48, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
It's pretty clear that Yogabrata isn't making any attempt to collaborate with others on wikipedia, it seems he is much more of a disruptive editor and a hinderance. Hasn't listened to other and clearly erasing his talk-page every time raises yet another red-flag. Far as I see he should be blocked from editing. @ Black Kite: You're impartial here, what do you think? Govvy ( talk) 09:41, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
I have raised this issue on the talk page of the above team. Could someone take a look and see if they can remedy? Coventry City F.C. Coventryy ( talk) 19:18, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Is anyone able to help with a small mystery? Mexico played Spain in a 2010 friendly; this has been marked as a 'Non FIFA' match by National Football Teams here, (e.g it was Soriano's only match that year, in fact his debut too here) but I can't see why. There is a ref for it at eswiki for the Mexico team and for the Mexican bicentenary events (which was the reason for the fixture) but it's the FIFA site which is a dead link, and annoyingly the archive link from the time also bounces back to that dead link automatically so I can't check if it mentioned anything. I have found a few match reports but nothing mentions any unofficial status. It doesn't hugely matter but just because of the players involved, several in the 100 club including Sergio Ramos who might break the record, so it should be noted on the lists if the match isn't counted by everyone. By contrast, tonight i added a note for a few Spain players for a 2013 match v Equatorial Guinea that was declared unofficial because of a referee registration error, but it's still counting towards player totals as the Spanish federation counts it. But the difference is, that match status was reported in the press and its now on BDFutbol with a note to that effect. But I could find nothing for the Mexico match (NFT fully counts the Eq Guinea match in its stats, e.g it was Juanfran's only goal, great consistency). If anyone has any info on what might have made it non-FIFA in some way, please give me a shout and I'll get it noted as appropriate. Crowsus ( talk) 00:46, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks folks for your contributions. Given that the 'issue' is so small (who really cares how many subs? I'm not sure even fifa does. From what i have read, the Spanish clubs were disgusted at the scheduling and so they tried to limit the playing time as much as possible without disrespecting Mexico or the 100,000+ crowd.) I intend to just leave it 'as is', since adding notes makes it look like I'm pushing the issue but as I've said I'm really not bothered, was just curious to know why that website counted it oddly. The 2013 EQG match was also a very minor admin issue but it seems to have been 'officially' annulled to some extent as reported in the media so i think it's correct to highlight it, but I don't think it would benefit anyone to try and argue the caps shouldn't count or whatever. Interesting that the South Africa match got coverage over the use of the subs but Mexico doesn't seem to have been reported as such, other than in this very minor way at NFT and the rankings blog page. Crowsus ( talk) 14:01, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Category:French-Polish footballers has been nominated for merging to Category:French footballers. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Place Clichy ( talk) 15:39, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
What does the community think about this person? I was a bit reluctant to nominate the article right away, but I have strong doubts. He definitely fails NFOOTY and probably violates WP:SELFPUB or something similar, seeing as much of information about him comes from a website where he is a "publisher and chief editor." -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 22:18, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Can anyone see if Nicolas Nath has ever played a game of professional football? I can't seem to find him in any of the usual database sites. Spiderone 19:17, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
This is now up for discussion here Spiderone 11:04, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
What is the agreed upon census for which template to use for results? Some use this one 2020–21 Peterborough United F.C. season#Matches and some use this one, 2020–21 Birmingham City F.C. season#Match results Coventryy ( talk) 13:05, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi friends, we're having an issue about the number of international goals Islam Slimani has scored. National-Football-Teams lists him with 30 goals (see here https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/47712/Islam_Slimani.html) which is correct but a certain user seems to think it's 29 because "all the players were local" in a friendly match against Mauritania in 2013. However, the match is considered a full international match by FIFA, it was listed on the FIFA.com website many years ago before they changed their site (would someone be able to find an archive?). DZFoot, the main reference for Algerian football online, also listed him with 30 goals as recently as today (see here: http://www.dzfoot.com/2020/11/14/en-bounedjah-integre-le-top-10-des-meilleurs-buteurs-192108.php) and specifically mentioned that that match against Mauritania was an official FIFA match in a previous article (see here: http://www.dzfoot.com/2019/07/02/historique-slimani-deuxieme-meilleur-buteur-des-verts-156583.php). Any help on the issue would be appreciated. TonyStarks ( talk) 22:11, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Another thing regarding the FIFA website: it was rife of errors, and that website shouldn't be used as a definitive list of full-FIFA matches. For what I remember, FIFA asked some amateur statisticians to search and assess the official status of the matches on their own. Some official matches were not included, other matches were non-FIFA, and others had incorrect dates and/or scores. Nehme1499 ( talk) 23:23, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
The fact that your references for Algerian football are France Football (which only mentions Slimani in the article in passing), and Afrik-Foot, and the fact you disregard The subject matter experts who focus entirely on Algerian football (DZfoot, Algerian Press Service) not to mention N-F-T.com says it all really. TonyStarks ( talk) 00:07, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, @ Mazewaxie: and I have had a difference of opinions over whether or not nominations for the 2020 Ballon d'or dream team should be included on player articles. What are others thoughts on the matter? REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 16:56, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Just to be clear, while we might not list being nominated as an honour, this doesn't and shouldn't mean it is not mentioned in their career summmary. It is almost certainly worth noting that "at the end of 2020 X was nominated, but was ultimately unsuccessful" where there are reliable sources to say so. If there is voting and placings in such dream teams then again, mentioning "x finished runner up in nominations behind y for the OMG BESTPLAYEREVER team of the season /year /decade /century etc". Koncorde ( talk) 12:09, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
I have noticed from an edit made by someone else that the Style of Play section is too long compared to other articles of more famous footballers. I have started a discussion on it's talk page to see what should stay and what should be removed or relocated. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 18:35, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi. For the first time in a long while I am close to breaching WP:3RR. An IP editors is edit-warring for a change to combine Mladen Krstajić's appearances for different national teams – FR Yugoslavia, Serbia and Montenegro, and Serbia – into one. That change can't be right, can it? Robby.is.on ( talk) 16:15, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
It says this is in the public domain, but I've never seen any other modern football crests in the public domain and it's used in a lot of pages. Are we sure it's all okay, I have my suspicions. Govvy ( talk) 18:12, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Recently I have been going through the squads of Albirex Niigata Singapore FC and filling in any players who have played in the S.League during their time with the club. A few of these players only managed one or two appearances, and were all deleted at AfDs ( 1 2 3). This is fair enough - they pass WP:NFOOTY, but not WP:GNG. However, how far does this stretch? What is the minimum number of appearances a "non-notable" player has to make to not have their page removed?
Before telling me that any player who fails GNG should have their page removed, remember that there are hundreds of articles out there for players who do not meet GNG. For example, there are the "presumed notable" players - mostly English second/third tier players from the early 20th century, who seem to go unquestioned. As well as this, there are multiple international footballers from smaller nations, particularly those in the Caribbean and South Pacific, who could have racked up over 50 international appearances while barely getting any web hits.
I would like to get a consensus from the community on a number of appearances a player has to make before they no longer "scrape" WP:NFOOTY, and can stand on their own merit without having to pass GNG. Davidlofgren1996 ( talk) 10:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
This conversation is leading into the realms of notability between the non-digital age media and digital-age media. It's important to remember how sources were used before the internet. Govvy ( talk) 12:05, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
I agree with what has been said above. NFOOTBALL creates a presumption of notability for footballers who played at least once in a fully-pro league, but if after editors have had sufficient time to search for sources indicating the GNG has not been met, that presumption isn't valid. It has been shown over and over that players who make a handful of appearances (particularly in a league that is not the top league in a particular country) over an entire career rarely ever have SIGCOV to pass the GNG. I think we have tended to give a pass to footballers with ongoing careers in fully-pro leagues (as opposed to ones that have dropped down to semi-pro or amateur leagues). It's also important to consider the availability on online sources (e.g., in places where internet coverage is sparse or for players from the pre-internet era), but I believe that footballers who only have a handful of appearances in lower-level leagues are unlikely to satisfy GNG through offline sources (nobody has found evidence that demonstrates such players had SIGCOV in offline print sources). Jogurney ( talk) 15:27, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Can someone help me find sources for Phil Younghusband's goals against Timor-Leste and Brunei in November 2006? Please continue the discussion at Talk:List of international goals scored by Phil Younghusband#Goals in November 2006. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 00:31, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Giantsnowman's latest concern is that player infobox text should maintain the nice formatting of having all the equals signs lined up neatly (yes, as they are on the template documentation page); however, I've seen countless edits removing the whitespaces to reduce article sizes considerably. Plus, I checked Cristiano Ronaldo, Harry Kane and Scott McTominay's articles, and they all have non-formatted infoboxes. (If that's the preferred way, I can send him a list to correct them all.) There's also the issue that he reverts edits such as these when they contain salient updates, such as Ballard's Northern Ireland cap last night and his most recent EFL appearance. - Seasider53 ( talk) 11:36, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Seasider53: it would have been nice if you had talked to me before running here, and it would have been polite if you had notified me about the discussion. All I was doing was restoring the infobox formatting shown at {{ Infobox football biography}}, nothing more, nothing less. I am fully aware that many articles do not comply with that, so what? I have better things to do that go around altering infoboxes all the time, I also suggest you do the same. PS the Ballard update was undated, unexplained, and violated WP:LIVESCORES. Giant Snowman 12:31, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
Some new national teams, such as Kosovo national football team, are rediscouvering their past. However, in this process, people are often driven by their desires and feelings. In this particular case, an editor is wanting to include a tournament from 1975 organised by the Yugoslav Football Association and named "Tournament of Brotherhood and Unity" in which all Yugoslav republics and provinces had their subassociations forming each an amateur team to represent them. The tournament was won by Kosovo who were also the hosts. The problem is that all teams were amateur (the tournament itself was meant to promote amateur football) and the teams resembled nothing as how real national teams of each of the republics or province would had looked like. None of the Yugoslav stars from that time could play for its corresponding team cause they were all professionals by either playing outside or in the Yugoslav First League, which became fully-professional in 1967. Even Yugoslav Second League was semi-professional, so these amateur teams representing the Yugoslav republics and provences were formed mostly by uncknown third league amateur players. In my view that obviously can´t be related to nowadays national teams most of those former Yugoslav republics and provinces formed nowadays.
Here is the discussion: Talk:Kosovo_national_football_team#About_Kosovo_national_team's_Yugoslav_era. You can also see article history. FkpCascais ( talk) 20:26, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused on what a "league cup" is. Are, for example, the FA Trophy and EFL Trophy league cups? Or should they go under "Other" in a player's "Club career statistics"? Nehme1499 ( talk) 15:02, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Has our "pest" returned (e.g. here)? I have some talk pages on my watchlist which is how I noticed and unfortunately remembered the types of editing made. As before, thankfully people from your project spots and reverts them before I do. I never thought we would never see of these edits again after months out (quite close to a Venus year in fact). Thanks, Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 14:36, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
Should we consider just revert, block, ignore... rather than giving the idiot the attention they seek and don't deserve? Just a thought. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 10:51, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
These are obviously about the same person. The former did redirect to the latter but a user has decided to revert that. There was even an AfD about it with clear consensus. Please can an admin take a look? Spiderone 22:23, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
It has been long established that B teams that play in the same league system as the parent club (Spain, Portugal, Germany, France, Netherlands etc) should be included in the infobox/stats table. A new editor (who I don't think is actually new) called @ Atlaslion1912: disagrees and is now edit warring to remove them at the Zakaria Labyad article. Please can somebody assist? Giant Snowman 19:50, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Bengaluru FC page, especially "Supporters" section is brigaded by fans of rival club ( Kerala Blasters). These editors are adding "controversy" section just to make others look bad. Controversy section is given WP:UNDUE weight, just so it can be made to look bad. 43.239.79.222 ( talk) 08:11, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
The vandal / edit warrior based in Tangerang, Banten, Indonesia is back and still constantly reverting the page FIFA U-17 World Cup to their preferred version, which includes false information about past tournaments. I previously asked for help related to this IP hopper at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 135#U-17 World Cup article vandalism. Thank you for any assistance provided in this matter. Jalen Folf (talk) 02:14, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all - just wanted to confirm that we had come to a consensus that the division should be included in each season of a club statistics table? @ NZFC: keeps reverting my edits of adding the division to each season of Roy Krishna career statistics table because NZFC thinks it looks nicer with only one mention of the division. I know we've been through this a lot before and I know the footballer player template guidelines supports my edits as well but want to make sure we are all in agreement. Thanks. Rupert1904 ( talk) 20:44, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
as to repetition of league division, this thread suggests that, while "there is a slight advantage in accessibility when you repeat cells, rather than rowspanning them", "our readers won't be disadvantaged noticeably if we don't repeat every cell that contains duplicate data".So the MoS itself says that either way is fine. Personally I think the rowspanned version is neater and looks better and more easily readable, and that is the reason we do it for the club name, isn't it? I would propose that we either have both divison and club rowspanned or both division and club repeated. -- SuperJew ( talk) 21:00, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
I remember from a previous discussion a few years ago that somebody raised possible accessibility issues (re: screen readers) for 'merged' cells in a stats table, rather than individual lines. Unsure what the basis for that is though. Giant Snowman 21:41, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
We can't go back and forth within an individual stats table. -- SuperJew ( talk) 20:37, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't see the point of repeating the same information again in a cell below, that just adds to data limit and unnecessary extra text, repeat, repeat, repeat. Completely unnecessary in my opinion when you can convey the same information with one line of text in a merged cell. As for speech software, they generally will say the league for the first season cell and then go on to read the seasons and statistics until there is a league change. It will not repeat the same league information for each row until there is a change. I really don't see it as a problem personally. Govvy ( talk) 11:54, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Is there anyway we can get more thoughts on this or is it just going to die out and stay as it is? NZFC (talk) (cont) 03:05, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Can I ask, does anyone know what is with the weird symbols next to the name with the (Tamaziǧt: ⴰⴷⴻⵍ ⵜⴰⵔⴰⴱⵜ) Is that really right?? Govvy ( talk) 12:31, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
The page
Japan women's national football team has the names of all players in the Japanese. I
removed them as I don't see the need (in the instances where we don't have a page on English Wikipedia, I inserted an ill template to link to the Japanese wikipage until the English one is created). If a reader is interested enough for the Japanese name, they can find it in the wikipage of the player, and from there can go further to the Japanese wikipage. I was
reverted by
Seany91 who said This has been a long-standing practice on this page and, AFAIK, doesn't violate any WP conventions; if you want to be bold, at least discuss first.
so here I am bringing it up for discussion. What are your thoughts?
BTW I don't think that it being a long-standing practice carries weight either way, but if we are talking about that way, I'll bring up that the men's page doesn't have this practice. I see that South Korea and China women's teams also have this practice, though the men's pages don't. I would theorise that the men's pages are more patrolled and therefore such a practice was reverted/deleted there.
-- SuperJew ( talk) 17:37, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
I agree you should only use the English-language names, as this is the English-language Wikipedia. Giant Snowman 19:32, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Taking Javi Hernández as example (in his current club, i only edit there and in Antonio López Habas), the following:
ATK (football club) has merged with Mohun Bagan A.C. apparently. But the new season has already started and there does not seem to be an article regarding the new denomination. I keep reverting and being reverted (so, for now i stop editing there and in Mr. Habas), but when you click in the current club all you have is a redirect.
Attentively, thank you very much for any possible inputs on the matter -- Quite A Character ( talk) 23:45, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello Quite A Character I think best way resolve this problem is by renaming Mohun Bagan A.C. to Atk Mohun Bagan FC.As per merger details and club officials comments there in media are also bit confusing.So the renaming would solve problem.Thanks WhiteFalcon1 ( talk) 03:51, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Do we know if matches played at this competition are considered full A-national team games? -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 09:01, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Can anybody please check what this error is about. Is it a bug or something?? Slowly its affecting a lot of league tables, Template:2022 FIFA World Cup qualification – CAF Second Round group tables, 2022 FIFA World Cup qualification#Current stage (first round) 3, 2020–21 Indian Super League season#Regular season, 2020–21 A-League#League table.... and many more. Drat8sub ( talk) 11:21, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Is someone able to fix the league table on 2020 Kazakhstan Premier League? It's coming up with a "Lua error: bad argument #1 to 'formatDate' (NaN)." and I can't quite work out what's up with the code. Thanks. Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 08:44, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
|ranking_style=ppgpts
to the table. You'll get a ppg column, but at least you'll have a table.
Gricehead (
talk)
11:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Can I ask, where do we stand on the notability criteria for players in the AFC? I was trying to work out if Dylan Ryan (soccer) which I had moved into draft space qualifies or not. As he seems to have been moved right back into main-space. Govvy ( talk) 16:13, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Can I ask an admin to reverse this page move of La Liga to La Liga Santader. Not only is the sponsor name missing a letter, we don't have league pages under their sponsor's names. Valenciano ( talk) 17:31, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Should we add relegation/promotion play-offs (D1/D2, D2/D3, etc.) stats to player's infobox as it states "Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only"? Does it count towards league games or should be added somewhere else? -- Red Winged Duck ( talk) 22:03, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello everyone, is it worth mentioning in the "international career" of the players, in particular the Swiss ones, that they were ranked 4th in the 2018-19 UEFA Nations League ?? David Cok 122 ( talk) 19:22, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi. Can an admin please protect Stadio San Paolo. It's been at RFPP since yesterday afternoon and still no one has protected it. Over night, someone even moved the page! (I moved it back). Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 14:24, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, I was tinkering at Romuald Ntsitsigui, and the infobox starts by saying 2011-2014 - team unknown. I have a reference which suggests he was playing for Mangasport in 2012 ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/18702878), but no start or end date. What would the project suggest to be the best way to handle this? Red Fiona ( talk) 00:03, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, @ Geschichte: has been requesting the creation a large number of clubs at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Sports/Association football (soccer). A lot of them seem like they wouldn't pass WP:NFOOTBALL. What are others thoughts? REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 13:09, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
User:Luis9595 created Category:FA Cup winning managers a few months ago - is this something that is a suitable category? I know there's already a Category:FA Cup winners category but there's a general presumption against "winner" categories per WP:OCAWARD and at the moment this one just includes the likes of Wenger and Pep whose articles already have over 30 categories, so it's hard to argue that it fulfils the necessary criterion of being WP:DEFINING. So I'd tend towards sending it to WP:CFD but I don't have a strong view - can I leave it with you guys? Le Deluge ( talk) 13:01, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Apparently one or more people have been having fun with this article lately [13] [14]. Too little for admins atm, but more eyes couldn't hurt. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 19:26, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Is there an easy way to see football articles waiting for a review? Hack ( talk) 01:39, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
I originally took @
Number 57:'s comment It also appears to have been written by his mother.
as a light-hearted reference to the detail in the article, but actually it seems it was serious (see
Talk:Colwyn Rowe). Surely a matter for COI follow-up actions?
Gricehead (
talk)
09:31, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I just like to confirm that an amateur league should not have enough notability to have a wiki page. Especially if it is a amateur club of an amateur league. Thanks -- Justanothersgwikieditor ( talk) 03:29, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
What are people's thoughts on the article List of association football mascots? Is it notable but requiring improvement or not notable? Spiderone 18:49, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Just came across this page in the new page feed, what do peeps think? A viable list article or should it be deleted? Govvy ( talk) 17:52, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
So I was expanding Robert Thompson (English footballer), with the intention of moving him to common name of Bob Thompson. Discovered there was another of that name born in the same year, so created an article for the 2nd one, who should should have been Bob Thompson (footballer, born February 1890), but inadvertently saved the damn thing at Bob Thompson (footballer, born September 1890). So I've moved him to Bob Thompson (footballer, born February 1890) where he belongs, but I can't move Robert Thompson (English footballer) over the redirect.
So could someone please move Robert Thompson (English footballer) to Bob Thompson (footballer, born September 1890). Sorry to be a nuisance. thanks, Struway2 ( talk) 18:39, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
May someone move Draft:Alidu Seidu to the mainspace? Footballer has a half dozen appearances this season and passes WP:FOOTY/ WP:GNG at this point.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 20:02, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
This currently just redirects to a category but there are a handful of stand-alone lists for other nationalities:
Of course, it would take a monumental amount of time and effort to do one for each nationality but does anyone think it's a task worth undertaking? Spiderone 18:20, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
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So, I've noticed myself when referring to clubs, subconsciously adding the word "the" when referring to teams with a 'nickname' as part of their official name versus teams with a more common name. I just noticed myself doing this without thinking since in my head it was just what sounded correct and was wondering what should be done for these teams, particularly North American teams. Teams with just an FC or similar, I don't use the 'the', but with other teams I do. For example, I noticed my writing has been like such: Player X plays for FC Dallas or Player Y scored his first goal against FC Dallas versus Player A plays for the Seattle Sounders or in a match against the Seattle Sounders... I feel like the correct way to do this would be to omit the "the" even though grammatically it might sound better, so its consistent. This has probably been discussed before. RedPatchBoy ( talk) 13:40, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Prior to the start of the 2019/20 campaign, the Millwall Lionesses are delighted to announce our new club captain and other members of our new squad.So, in short, the rule is fluid.
Take Álvaro Morata, should the lede read: "..., on loan from La Liga club Atlético Madrid,..."? Nehme1499 ( talk) 23:59, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
I would not link per WP:OVERLINK as suggested above. Giant Snowman`
loan definition:
loan; noun; a thing that is borrowed...or
verb; lend (a sum of money or item of property).
lend definition:
lend; verb; grant to (someone) the use of (something) on the understanding that it will be returned.
So where do we stand on this? Are we to implement a blanket ban on linking to Loan (sports), seeing as it's seemingly taken for granted that all our readers understand the sporting context of the term? Mattythewhite ( talk) 18:16, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
A potential power abusing of
Mattythewhite and EDIT WAR INITIATION at
Kristoffer Ajer. I gave my explanation on why soccerbase/eurorivals is the better source at revision 962902990 summary. Instead of providing a good explanation, :@
Mattythewhite: constantly revert my edit with an absolutely reasonable reason : "Soccerway is a better source" since June. From my pov only, isn't this an edit war act ?
Undergroundmall (
talk)
09:08, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Weird how heights are such a hot button issue for some people.-- Echetus Xe 14:01, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Not very subtle. Koncorde ( talk) 16:07, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm wondering what we should in cases like this, where the text for some club names overlap? I don't think shortening the names (e.g. Braintree Town to Braintree) is ideal as we ought to be explicit that we're referring to the club rather than the location and it creates inconsistency. However, text that overlaps and is difficult to read is obviously an accessibility issue. Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 16:38, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
FC Rapid București strip is currently subject to a requested merge but there is a possibly valid argument to delete as well as suggested by User:Crowsus in that discussion. Are we allowed to put the article up for AfD or do we need to wait a certain number of days/weeks because there is a merge discussion in place? Spiderone 08:33, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
I've been given this info by an editor. Are we not allowed to copyedit anymore? - Seasider53 ( talk) 12:40, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
First the Segunda Liga, then the LigaPro and now the Liga Portugal 2? I can't remember it correctly, but i think it's the Iranian top tier that has had six or seven article names since i edit here.
Shouldn't we be consistent and name the tournaments (in Portugal's case) Primeira Liga and Segunda Liga? Just a doubt, not belittling anyone's work.
Attentively -- Quite A Character ( talk) 05:29, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
This guy keeps removing the mascot section which is completely sourced. I'm done with the disruptive editor, can someone else deal with him. Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 20:00, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello all. I know the three sources above are used almost ubiquitously by the project, but can someone provide me with evidence (or consensus of) their reliability please? A reasonable question on the editorial oversight of each source has been raised at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/2002 Football League First Division play-off Final/archive1. Cheers in advance. The Rambling Man ( Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 16:12, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
I was sure we were supposed to list the seasons in chronological order. At Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players, shouldn't it be "2010-11, 2010-11, 2011-12, 2011-12", instead of "2010-11, 2011-12, 2010-11, 2011-12"? Nehme1499 ( talk) 17:41, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
The stats table is completely out of date if anyone wants to take it on, soccerway seems to be accurate, soccerbase hasn't been keeping up. Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 12:25, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
I've been editing netball articles recently. The equivalent project page is inactive, so I thought I'd look for some expertise here. Recently started Australian Institute of Sport (netball). However in the last week or so, a load of links to www.clearinghouseforsport.gov.au disappeared. This was a valuable resource. I have left messages at various archivists looking for help but got no reply. Any help would be appreciated. Djln Djln ( talk) 13:23, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
I know according to the MOS, we only link the league in the Career Stats box the first time it appears and any subsequent appearances we just leave in normal black font. What about a situation where the League changes names though. For example, the Portuguese second division which was called Liga da Honra, then in 2012 Segunda Liga, then in 2016 LigaPro, then now Liga Portugal 2. For example, this player played in it when it was called Liga da Honra then a few years later returned when it was called Segunda Liga. Should it be linked for both name variants which would direct to the same article, for readers who wouldn't know they are the same league? RedPatchBoy ( talk) 18:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi all,
The current Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/National teams template doesn't bare much resemblance to any of the national team pages at the moment (besides the infobox) therefore I was hoping that people would have an opinion for how best to standardise these pages. I've put a template together on my sandbox (link in the Subject line) and would appreciate any suggestions, especially for the naming of each heading (and their subcategories), order they should come in, and any template tables that should be added that I've not already included. Felixsv7 ( talk) 21:24, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi, could an admin please protect 2020–21 A-League for the short-term (2 months) until the beginning of the season? IP's keep on adding rumoured players. -- SuperJew ( talk) 22:14, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
If we have a club which dissolved in year X, then in year Y a club was reformed with the same name. How do we disambiguate between the names? I just saw Wacker Innsbruck which the current team is FC Wacker Innsbruck (2002) and the defunct is FC Wacker Innsbruck. OTOH there's Accrington Stanley which the current team is Accrington Stanley F.C. and the defunct is Accrington Stanley F.C. (1891). So do we have a regular convention for naming in such cases? -- SuperJew ( talk) 15:09, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Has there ever been any discussion about including clean sheets in a goalkeeper's infobox stats and career stats section rather than goals? Obviously, scoring goals is really an outfield statistic and obviously a goalkeeper isn't rated/graded on how many goals he or she scores but how many they keep out. I know there are some instances of legendary goalscoring keepers like Rogério Ceni or the keeper who will get an odd header or fluke, bouncing long ball goal but I've never thought it really made sense that we include how many goals they score as the only definitive stat on their page. It would make more sense to me to include clean sheets or goals allowed (as done with managerial stats tables).
Separately, on managerial stats tables, has there ever been a discussion about including the record by season with each club rather than just overall record at each club? I think this would be useful. Thanks all. Rupert1904 ( talk) 20:47, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Is Semih Şentürk really the most capped and best goalscorer of Turkey national under-21 football team with 83 caps and 42 goals. It was added in July 2008 to the article but the stats doesn't make sense to me. -- Fredde ( talk) 20:38, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
This is not something in which I am particularly experienced, so I could use some help. Major League Soccer just announced that they will be using points per game for their tables. I know this was recently done for the 2019–20 Ligue 1, so I was hoping someone more familiar with templates could help (the teams are currently not sorting in order). Relevant templates are these:
Thanks! Jay eyem ( talk) 21:12, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Amad Traoré has more results on Google as "Traoré" ( 415k v 178k), but both Atalanta and Manchester United seem to call him "Diallo". Where should his page be located? Nehme1499 ( talk) 16:32, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
formerly known as Amad Diallo Traorérather than
born / né Amad Diallo Traoré. Spike 'em ( talk) 17:59, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Just a polite reminder (especially for @ SBFCEdit: making questionable edits like this) that we should NOT update scores/results/player stats etc. until a match has finished, or at least until a player's involvement in the match has ended. That avoids any confusion/well meaning editors inadvertently adding false stats etc. Giant Snowman 15:27, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- So, I think updating even immediately after a match finishes is WP:OR. Can we all agree to calm down, and simply update after matches have finished? Can I ask where we are sourcing the caps, goals etc in the infoboxes? We should really be citing directly to a single source and not source in theory to a database, failing WP:V. In the snooker project, we have WP:LIVESCORES, but maybe this should be strung out to be a bit wider to include further sports? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 19:19, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
I feel you are looking far to deep, and from my view you're miss-reading what SYNTH is about. I can understand the OR argument, however we provide a stats table which is sourced which covers that point. So in my view your argument becomes void. Govvy ( talk) 21:49, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Oh look, over eager editors updating stats during the game that turn out to be incorrect when the match finishes (JWP scored a further goal!) Giant Snowman 14:03, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Afternoon all. Probably of most interest to @ Govvy:, but I know there's a few Totts fans out there. Anyway it looks like all the embedded match reports on at least 2008–09 Tottenham Hotspur F.C. season, 2009–10 Tottenham Hotspur F.C. season, 2010–11 Tottenham Hotspur F.C. season (for example) are dead as they were linked to Tottenhams own website and they have decided to bin them off in some fashion or another. It may be that some articles used have been moved to their "Archived News" section, but it's not easy to just search that. Post 2011 appears like we are using BBC articles which look fine. Anyway, just a reminder to all that club websites are notorious for this sort of stuff so be careful when depending on it as references, but particularly as direct links. Any article using the site for a specific historic article might need checking for the new archive URL if one exists. Koncorde ( talk) 15:26, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
So, last week this random page ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Real Madrid task force/layout/assessment) of the task force was discovered when it was vandalized and led to its deletion since it was never set up. See the deletion vote page here. Several users analyzed the task force and realized it is inactive, nor was it ever really active. It has a few pages linked to it, but it doesn't appear to have done anything ever. Several users in the deletion vote for the page deletion were in favour of just scrapping the entire task force since it wasn't active. See the above link to deletion discussion for more info . RedPatchBoy ( talk) 00:33, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
How do you set up a deletion nomination for a Task Force? Is it different than for an article? RedPatchBoy ( talk) 11:10, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Likewise, what's this all about? Microwave Anarchist ( talk) 12:50, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Ryan Fyffe was released by Inverness Caledonian Thistle before re-signing for them a few months later. Should this count as one spell at the club, or two? Microwave Anarchist ( talk) 10:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
This weekend sees the semi-finals of the 2019–20 Scottish Cup. Since it's last season's competition but it's taking place during this season how should appearances in these matches be recorded in Career statistics tables? It's easy enough for players who were with their current clubs last season, but what about players who transferred to one of these clubs for this season?
Using Craig Gordon as an example who has gone from Celtic to Hearts do we: 1. Create a row in the table for the 2019–20 Hearts season and record the appearance there? or 2. Record it in the 2020–21 Hearts season row, with a note explaining the appearance was in the 2019–20 competition? A Well Fan ( talk) 22:24, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
An issue though - this. Players who signed for the club at the start of the 2020-21 season, technically playing in the 2019-20 competition... thoughts? Giant Snowman 08:11, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Yesterday, Safa SC beat Tadamon Sour SC 2–0. However, as Tadamon Sour had fielded six substitutes (one more than the limit of five), the match was turned into a 3–0 win to Safa. How should this be indicated in the 2020–21 Lebanese Premier League table? Nehme1499 ( talk) 14:43, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
So this Kyle Bartley profile pic may just be the finest one I have ever seen on wikipedia. I am not sure if it's the fact he's playing the human bagpipe, or the way his nose is being ever so gently tweaked, or the fact it has been up there for almost 11 years and is one of the default suggested images on google. Well played Celtic fans, well played. Koncorde ( talk) 18:41, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
LOL ::@ Koncorde:! How about this one ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Paolo_Castellini&diff=prev&oldid=462993352)? -- Quite A Character ( talk) 04:02, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello. Could someone possibly add the club logo to this Wikipedia article? I do not know how to do it and make it under fair use. Thank you to the person that takes action on this. Have a great day. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 18:12, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
BosnianBeast60 ( talk · contribs) repeatedly adds flags to managerial statistics tables like in this edit. Up to now, I've reverted these edits with a reference to MOS:FLAGICON and tried to talk to the editor but they don't seem to communicate. If consensus is that managerial statistics tables should not contain statistics tables, then how should I further proceed? -- Jaellee ( talk) 11:30, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
User is adding them (back), do we have a consensus for them to be included or excluded? Kante4 ( talk) 12:11, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Ok , i saw someone created Template:Club Stats of Kaká, but did it even needed? After fork out the content , the Kaka article size is 133,108 bytes for reference . Matthew hk ( talk) 21:05, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Thoughts on Category:FA Cup Final players? I think it's OVERCAT personally. Giant Snowman 10:26, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Can anyone provide a compelling reason why the infobox for a football competition season needs an entry for the competition's defending champions? The team that won the tournament the year before is not relevant enough to this season's competition to be worth putting in the infobox, surely? – Pee Jay 15:03, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi folks. Does it occur commonly that someone
This looks very odd to me. Every article I have created so far was pretty much the finished article when I created it. Robby.is.on ( talk) 22:19, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
What's going on here? Looks fine on mobile but out of alignment on desktop. OGLV ( talk) 19:31, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I am just confused why the official name of this stadium is said to be Groupama Aréna when the name of the article is just Groupama Arena. Should we move this page to make it have an accent (like the official name of the stadium suggests?) And if not, why is the article called Arena without an accent on the e? Thanks and best regards to whoever reads this, Paul Vaurie ( talk) 13:57, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Is there anyone around who has access to the ENFA (or any other possible source) and would be willing to fill in the Southend United part of Jimmy Nelson's stats table if possible? Kosack ( talk) 16:04, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
I was wondering if this article really passes WP:GNG, I am finding the language barrier for sources rather annoying towards notability. I definitely feel 2019–20 Karnataka Women's League season should be delete know. Thoughts? Govvy ( talk) 09:25, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't think the men's equivalent ( 2019–20 Bangalore Super Division) needs season articles either. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 13:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
I actually would like some clarification on this. Beyond passing GNG, what is the typical cutoff for league season articles? I know they typically go a little bit past FPL (e.g. Regionalliga articles), but I wasn't sure if there was a rule of thumb that was typical here. Especially for non-English leagues, where sources in English can be hard to come by. Jay eyem ( talk) 00:47, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Now that the official world rankings are simply an adjusted Elo as of 2018, can we remove the Elo sections of Template:Infobox national football team? Bzweebl ( talk • contribs) 06:55, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Yogabrata has been making a substantial number of edits to club articles. Some of the additions are questionable, linking nations, changing existing links etc. One of the main changes is also the addition of italics to club nicknames in infoboxes. I've seen a few reverts of these so was wondering what the opinion is on this? Are italics needed for nicknames in the infobox? Kosack ( talk) 08:11, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
He isn't slowing down guys? Koncorde ( talk) 02:48, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
It's pretty clear that Yogabrata isn't making any attempt to collaborate with others on wikipedia, it seems he is much more of a disruptive editor and a hinderance. Hasn't listened to other and clearly erasing his talk-page every time raises yet another red-flag. Far as I see he should be blocked from editing. @ Black Kite: You're impartial here, what do you think? Govvy ( talk) 09:41, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
I have raised this issue on the talk page of the above team. Could someone take a look and see if they can remedy? Coventry City F.C. Coventryy ( talk) 19:18, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Is anyone able to help with a small mystery? Mexico played Spain in a 2010 friendly; this has been marked as a 'Non FIFA' match by National Football Teams here, (e.g it was Soriano's only match that year, in fact his debut too here) but I can't see why. There is a ref for it at eswiki for the Mexico team and for the Mexican bicentenary events (which was the reason for the fixture) but it's the FIFA site which is a dead link, and annoyingly the archive link from the time also bounces back to that dead link automatically so I can't check if it mentioned anything. I have found a few match reports but nothing mentions any unofficial status. It doesn't hugely matter but just because of the players involved, several in the 100 club including Sergio Ramos who might break the record, so it should be noted on the lists if the match isn't counted by everyone. By contrast, tonight i added a note for a few Spain players for a 2013 match v Equatorial Guinea that was declared unofficial because of a referee registration error, but it's still counting towards player totals as the Spanish federation counts it. But the difference is, that match status was reported in the press and its now on BDFutbol with a note to that effect. But I could find nothing for the Mexico match (NFT fully counts the Eq Guinea match in its stats, e.g it was Juanfran's only goal, great consistency). If anyone has any info on what might have made it non-FIFA in some way, please give me a shout and I'll get it noted as appropriate. Crowsus ( talk) 00:46, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks folks for your contributions. Given that the 'issue' is so small (who really cares how many subs? I'm not sure even fifa does. From what i have read, the Spanish clubs were disgusted at the scheduling and so they tried to limit the playing time as much as possible without disrespecting Mexico or the 100,000+ crowd.) I intend to just leave it 'as is', since adding notes makes it look like I'm pushing the issue but as I've said I'm really not bothered, was just curious to know why that website counted it oddly. The 2013 EQG match was also a very minor admin issue but it seems to have been 'officially' annulled to some extent as reported in the media so i think it's correct to highlight it, but I don't think it would benefit anyone to try and argue the caps shouldn't count or whatever. Interesting that the South Africa match got coverage over the use of the subs but Mexico doesn't seem to have been reported as such, other than in this very minor way at NFT and the rankings blog page. Crowsus ( talk) 14:01, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Category:French-Polish footballers has been nominated for merging to Category:French footballers. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Place Clichy ( talk) 15:39, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
What does the community think about this person? I was a bit reluctant to nominate the article right away, but I have strong doubts. He definitely fails NFOOTY and probably violates WP:SELFPUB or something similar, seeing as much of information about him comes from a website where he is a "publisher and chief editor." -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 22:18, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Can anyone see if Nicolas Nath has ever played a game of professional football? I can't seem to find him in any of the usual database sites. Spiderone 19:17, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
This is now up for discussion here Spiderone 11:04, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
What is the agreed upon census for which template to use for results? Some use this one 2020–21 Peterborough United F.C. season#Matches and some use this one, 2020–21 Birmingham City F.C. season#Match results Coventryy ( talk) 13:05, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi friends, we're having an issue about the number of international goals Islam Slimani has scored. National-Football-Teams lists him with 30 goals (see here https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/47712/Islam_Slimani.html) which is correct but a certain user seems to think it's 29 because "all the players were local" in a friendly match against Mauritania in 2013. However, the match is considered a full international match by FIFA, it was listed on the FIFA.com website many years ago before they changed their site (would someone be able to find an archive?). DZFoot, the main reference for Algerian football online, also listed him with 30 goals as recently as today (see here: http://www.dzfoot.com/2020/11/14/en-bounedjah-integre-le-top-10-des-meilleurs-buteurs-192108.php) and specifically mentioned that that match against Mauritania was an official FIFA match in a previous article (see here: http://www.dzfoot.com/2019/07/02/historique-slimani-deuxieme-meilleur-buteur-des-verts-156583.php). Any help on the issue would be appreciated. TonyStarks ( talk) 22:11, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Another thing regarding the FIFA website: it was rife of errors, and that website shouldn't be used as a definitive list of full-FIFA matches. For what I remember, FIFA asked some amateur statisticians to search and assess the official status of the matches on their own. Some official matches were not included, other matches were non-FIFA, and others had incorrect dates and/or scores. Nehme1499 ( talk) 23:23, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
The fact that your references for Algerian football are France Football (which only mentions Slimani in the article in passing), and Afrik-Foot, and the fact you disregard The subject matter experts who focus entirely on Algerian football (DZfoot, Algerian Press Service) not to mention N-F-T.com says it all really. TonyStarks ( talk) 00:07, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, @ Mazewaxie: and I have had a difference of opinions over whether or not nominations for the 2020 Ballon d'or dream team should be included on player articles. What are others thoughts on the matter? REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 16:56, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Just to be clear, while we might not list being nominated as an honour, this doesn't and shouldn't mean it is not mentioned in their career summmary. It is almost certainly worth noting that "at the end of 2020 X was nominated, but was ultimately unsuccessful" where there are reliable sources to say so. If there is voting and placings in such dream teams then again, mentioning "x finished runner up in nominations behind y for the OMG BESTPLAYEREVER team of the season /year /decade /century etc". Koncorde ( talk) 12:09, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
I have noticed from an edit made by someone else that the Style of Play section is too long compared to other articles of more famous footballers. I have started a discussion on it's talk page to see what should stay and what should be removed or relocated. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 18:35, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi. For the first time in a long while I am close to breaching WP:3RR. An IP editors is edit-warring for a change to combine Mladen Krstajić's appearances for different national teams – FR Yugoslavia, Serbia and Montenegro, and Serbia – into one. That change can't be right, can it? Robby.is.on ( talk) 16:15, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
It says this is in the public domain, but I've never seen any other modern football crests in the public domain and it's used in a lot of pages. Are we sure it's all okay, I have my suspicions. Govvy ( talk) 18:12, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Recently I have been going through the squads of Albirex Niigata Singapore FC and filling in any players who have played in the S.League during their time with the club. A few of these players only managed one or two appearances, and were all deleted at AfDs ( 1 2 3). This is fair enough - they pass WP:NFOOTY, but not WP:GNG. However, how far does this stretch? What is the minimum number of appearances a "non-notable" player has to make to not have their page removed?
Before telling me that any player who fails GNG should have their page removed, remember that there are hundreds of articles out there for players who do not meet GNG. For example, there are the "presumed notable" players - mostly English second/third tier players from the early 20th century, who seem to go unquestioned. As well as this, there are multiple international footballers from smaller nations, particularly those in the Caribbean and South Pacific, who could have racked up over 50 international appearances while barely getting any web hits.
I would like to get a consensus from the community on a number of appearances a player has to make before they no longer "scrape" WP:NFOOTY, and can stand on their own merit without having to pass GNG. Davidlofgren1996 ( talk) 10:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
This conversation is leading into the realms of notability between the non-digital age media and digital-age media. It's important to remember how sources were used before the internet. Govvy ( talk) 12:05, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
I agree with what has been said above. NFOOTBALL creates a presumption of notability for footballers who played at least once in a fully-pro league, but if after editors have had sufficient time to search for sources indicating the GNG has not been met, that presumption isn't valid. It has been shown over and over that players who make a handful of appearances (particularly in a league that is not the top league in a particular country) over an entire career rarely ever have SIGCOV to pass the GNG. I think we have tended to give a pass to footballers with ongoing careers in fully-pro leagues (as opposed to ones that have dropped down to semi-pro or amateur leagues). It's also important to consider the availability on online sources (e.g., in places where internet coverage is sparse or for players from the pre-internet era), but I believe that footballers who only have a handful of appearances in lower-level leagues are unlikely to satisfy GNG through offline sources (nobody has found evidence that demonstrates such players had SIGCOV in offline print sources). Jogurney ( talk) 15:27, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Can someone help me find sources for Phil Younghusband's goals against Timor-Leste and Brunei in November 2006? Please continue the discussion at Talk:List of international goals scored by Phil Younghusband#Goals in November 2006. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 00:31, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Giantsnowman's latest concern is that player infobox text should maintain the nice formatting of having all the equals signs lined up neatly (yes, as they are on the template documentation page); however, I've seen countless edits removing the whitespaces to reduce article sizes considerably. Plus, I checked Cristiano Ronaldo, Harry Kane and Scott McTominay's articles, and they all have non-formatted infoboxes. (If that's the preferred way, I can send him a list to correct them all.) There's also the issue that he reverts edits such as these when they contain salient updates, such as Ballard's Northern Ireland cap last night and his most recent EFL appearance. - Seasider53 ( talk) 11:36, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Seasider53: it would have been nice if you had talked to me before running here, and it would have been polite if you had notified me about the discussion. All I was doing was restoring the infobox formatting shown at {{ Infobox football biography}}, nothing more, nothing less. I am fully aware that many articles do not comply with that, so what? I have better things to do that go around altering infoboxes all the time, I also suggest you do the same. PS the Ballard update was undated, unexplained, and violated WP:LIVESCORES. Giant Snowman 12:31, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
Some new national teams, such as Kosovo national football team, are rediscouvering their past. However, in this process, people are often driven by their desires and feelings. In this particular case, an editor is wanting to include a tournament from 1975 organised by the Yugoslav Football Association and named "Tournament of Brotherhood and Unity" in which all Yugoslav republics and provinces had their subassociations forming each an amateur team to represent them. The tournament was won by Kosovo who were also the hosts. The problem is that all teams were amateur (the tournament itself was meant to promote amateur football) and the teams resembled nothing as how real national teams of each of the republics or province would had looked like. None of the Yugoslav stars from that time could play for its corresponding team cause they were all professionals by either playing outside or in the Yugoslav First League, which became fully-professional in 1967. Even Yugoslav Second League was semi-professional, so these amateur teams representing the Yugoslav republics and provences were formed mostly by uncknown third league amateur players. In my view that obviously can´t be related to nowadays national teams most of those former Yugoslav republics and provinces formed nowadays.
Here is the discussion: Talk:Kosovo_national_football_team#About_Kosovo_national_team's_Yugoslav_era. You can also see article history. FkpCascais ( talk) 20:26, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused on what a "league cup" is. Are, for example, the FA Trophy and EFL Trophy league cups? Or should they go under "Other" in a player's "Club career statistics"? Nehme1499 ( talk) 15:02, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Has our "pest" returned (e.g. here)? I have some talk pages on my watchlist which is how I noticed and unfortunately remembered the types of editing made. As before, thankfully people from your project spots and reverts them before I do. I never thought we would never see of these edits again after months out (quite close to a Venus year in fact). Thanks, Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 14:36, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
Should we consider just revert, block, ignore... rather than giving the idiot the attention they seek and don't deserve? Just a thought. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 10:51, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
These are obviously about the same person. The former did redirect to the latter but a user has decided to revert that. There was even an AfD about it with clear consensus. Please can an admin take a look? Spiderone 22:23, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
It has been long established that B teams that play in the same league system as the parent club (Spain, Portugal, Germany, France, Netherlands etc) should be included in the infobox/stats table. A new editor (who I don't think is actually new) called @ Atlaslion1912: disagrees and is now edit warring to remove them at the Zakaria Labyad article. Please can somebody assist? Giant Snowman 19:50, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Bengaluru FC page, especially "Supporters" section is brigaded by fans of rival club ( Kerala Blasters). These editors are adding "controversy" section just to make others look bad. Controversy section is given WP:UNDUE weight, just so it can be made to look bad. 43.239.79.222 ( talk) 08:11, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
The vandal / edit warrior based in Tangerang, Banten, Indonesia is back and still constantly reverting the page FIFA U-17 World Cup to their preferred version, which includes false information about past tournaments. I previously asked for help related to this IP hopper at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 135#U-17 World Cup article vandalism. Thank you for any assistance provided in this matter. Jalen Folf (talk) 02:14, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all - just wanted to confirm that we had come to a consensus that the division should be included in each season of a club statistics table? @ NZFC: keeps reverting my edits of adding the division to each season of Roy Krishna career statistics table because NZFC thinks it looks nicer with only one mention of the division. I know we've been through this a lot before and I know the footballer player template guidelines supports my edits as well but want to make sure we are all in agreement. Thanks. Rupert1904 ( talk) 20:44, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
as to repetition of league division, this thread suggests that, while "there is a slight advantage in accessibility when you repeat cells, rather than rowspanning them", "our readers won't be disadvantaged noticeably if we don't repeat every cell that contains duplicate data".So the MoS itself says that either way is fine. Personally I think the rowspanned version is neater and looks better and more easily readable, and that is the reason we do it for the club name, isn't it? I would propose that we either have both divison and club rowspanned or both division and club repeated. -- SuperJew ( talk) 21:00, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
I remember from a previous discussion a few years ago that somebody raised possible accessibility issues (re: screen readers) for 'merged' cells in a stats table, rather than individual lines. Unsure what the basis for that is though. Giant Snowman 21:41, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
We can't go back and forth within an individual stats table. -- SuperJew ( talk) 20:37, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't see the point of repeating the same information again in a cell below, that just adds to data limit and unnecessary extra text, repeat, repeat, repeat. Completely unnecessary in my opinion when you can convey the same information with one line of text in a merged cell. As for speech software, they generally will say the league for the first season cell and then go on to read the seasons and statistics until there is a league change. It will not repeat the same league information for each row until there is a change. I really don't see it as a problem personally. Govvy ( talk) 11:54, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Is there anyway we can get more thoughts on this or is it just going to die out and stay as it is? NZFC (talk) (cont) 03:05, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Can I ask, does anyone know what is with the weird symbols next to the name with the (Tamaziǧt: ⴰⴷⴻⵍ ⵜⴰⵔⴰⴱⵜ) Is that really right?? Govvy ( talk) 12:31, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
The page
Japan women's national football team has the names of all players in the Japanese. I
removed them as I don't see the need (in the instances where we don't have a page on English Wikipedia, I inserted an ill template to link to the Japanese wikipage until the English one is created). If a reader is interested enough for the Japanese name, they can find it in the wikipage of the player, and from there can go further to the Japanese wikipage. I was
reverted by
Seany91 who said This has been a long-standing practice on this page and, AFAIK, doesn't violate any WP conventions; if you want to be bold, at least discuss first.
so here I am bringing it up for discussion. What are your thoughts?
BTW I don't think that it being a long-standing practice carries weight either way, but if we are talking about that way, I'll bring up that the men's page doesn't have this practice. I see that South Korea and China women's teams also have this practice, though the men's pages don't. I would theorise that the men's pages are more patrolled and therefore such a practice was reverted/deleted there.
-- SuperJew ( talk) 17:37, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
I agree you should only use the English-language names, as this is the English-language Wikipedia. Giant Snowman 19:32, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Taking Javi Hernández as example (in his current club, i only edit there and in Antonio López Habas), the following:
ATK (football club) has merged with Mohun Bagan A.C. apparently. But the new season has already started and there does not seem to be an article regarding the new denomination. I keep reverting and being reverted (so, for now i stop editing there and in Mr. Habas), but when you click in the current club all you have is a redirect.
Attentively, thank you very much for any possible inputs on the matter -- Quite A Character ( talk) 23:45, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello Quite A Character I think best way resolve this problem is by renaming Mohun Bagan A.C. to Atk Mohun Bagan FC.As per merger details and club officials comments there in media are also bit confusing.So the renaming would solve problem.Thanks WhiteFalcon1 ( talk) 03:51, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Do we know if matches played at this competition are considered full A-national team games? -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 09:01, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Can anybody please check what this error is about. Is it a bug or something?? Slowly its affecting a lot of league tables, Template:2022 FIFA World Cup qualification – CAF Second Round group tables, 2022 FIFA World Cup qualification#Current stage (first round) 3, 2020–21 Indian Super League season#Regular season, 2020–21 A-League#League table.... and many more. Drat8sub ( talk) 11:21, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Is someone able to fix the league table on 2020 Kazakhstan Premier League? It's coming up with a "Lua error: bad argument #1 to 'formatDate' (NaN)." and I can't quite work out what's up with the code. Thanks. Stevie fae Scotland ( talk) 08:44, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
|ranking_style=ppgpts
to the table. You'll get a ppg column, but at least you'll have a table.
Gricehead (
talk)
11:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Can I ask, where do we stand on the notability criteria for players in the AFC? I was trying to work out if Dylan Ryan (soccer) which I had moved into draft space qualifies or not. As he seems to have been moved right back into main-space. Govvy ( talk) 16:13, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Can I ask an admin to reverse this page move of La Liga to La Liga Santader. Not only is the sponsor name missing a letter, we don't have league pages under their sponsor's names. Valenciano ( talk) 17:31, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Should we add relegation/promotion play-offs (D1/D2, D2/D3, etc.) stats to player's infobox as it states "Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only"? Does it count towards league games or should be added somewhere else? -- Red Winged Duck ( talk) 22:03, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello everyone, is it worth mentioning in the "international career" of the players, in particular the Swiss ones, that they were ranked 4th in the 2018-19 UEFA Nations League ?? David Cok 122 ( talk) 19:22, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi. Can an admin please protect Stadio San Paolo. It's been at RFPP since yesterday afternoon and still no one has protected it. Over night, someone even moved the page! (I moved it back). Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 14:24, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, I was tinkering at Romuald Ntsitsigui, and the infobox starts by saying 2011-2014 - team unknown. I have a reference which suggests he was playing for Mangasport in 2012 ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/18702878), but no start or end date. What would the project suggest to be the best way to handle this? Red Fiona ( talk) 00:03, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, @ Geschichte: has been requesting the creation a large number of clubs at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Sports/Association football (soccer). A lot of them seem like they wouldn't pass WP:NFOOTBALL. What are others thoughts? REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 13:09, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
User:Luis9595 created Category:FA Cup winning managers a few months ago - is this something that is a suitable category? I know there's already a Category:FA Cup winners category but there's a general presumption against "winner" categories per WP:OCAWARD and at the moment this one just includes the likes of Wenger and Pep whose articles already have over 30 categories, so it's hard to argue that it fulfils the necessary criterion of being WP:DEFINING. So I'd tend towards sending it to WP:CFD but I don't have a strong view - can I leave it with you guys? Le Deluge ( talk) 13:01, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Apparently one or more people have been having fun with this article lately [13] [14]. Too little for admins atm, but more eyes couldn't hurt. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 19:26, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Is there an easy way to see football articles waiting for a review? Hack ( talk) 01:39, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
I originally took @
Number 57:'s comment It also appears to have been written by his mother.
as a light-hearted reference to the detail in the article, but actually it seems it was serious (see
Talk:Colwyn Rowe). Surely a matter for COI follow-up actions?
Gricehead (
talk)
09:31, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I just like to confirm that an amateur league should not have enough notability to have a wiki page. Especially if it is a amateur club of an amateur league. Thanks -- Justanothersgwikieditor ( talk) 03:29, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
What are people's thoughts on the article List of association football mascots? Is it notable but requiring improvement or not notable? Spiderone 18:49, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Just came across this page in the new page feed, what do peeps think? A viable list article or should it be deleted? Govvy ( talk) 17:52, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
So I was expanding Robert Thompson (English footballer), with the intention of moving him to common name of Bob Thompson. Discovered there was another of that name born in the same year, so created an article for the 2nd one, who should should have been Bob Thompson (footballer, born February 1890), but inadvertently saved the damn thing at Bob Thompson (footballer, born September 1890). So I've moved him to Bob Thompson (footballer, born February 1890) where he belongs, but I can't move Robert Thompson (English footballer) over the redirect.
So could someone please move Robert Thompson (English footballer) to Bob Thompson (footballer, born September 1890). Sorry to be a nuisance. thanks, Struway2 ( talk) 18:39, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
May someone move Draft:Alidu Seidu to the mainspace? Footballer has a half dozen appearances this season and passes WP:FOOTY/ WP:GNG at this point.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 20:02, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
This currently just redirects to a category but there are a handful of stand-alone lists for other nationalities:
Of course, it would take a monumental amount of time and effort to do one for each nationality but does anyone think it's a task worth undertaking? Spiderone 18:20, 28 November 2020 (UTC)