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I've noticed on a a fair amount of articles that instead of seeing A.C. Milan I just see Milan, so I've often had to click on the link to see if it goes to A.C. or Inter, it's been annoying me a bit. I just wanted to ask what other people think, if we should have the A.C. bit in the infobox and headings also? Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 12:07, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
[[AC Milan|Milan]]
to hide the actual name of the club.
Jts1882 |
talk 16:31, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
as far as i know A.C. is a common prefix, just like Ltd in the world of company name, or F.C., J.K. in football/sports. For disambiguation it was appeared in WP:article title, as well as it may be not pipe in the lead in case people confuse that the player plays for the city of Milan instead of the club. Most city of Italy had only one notable football club at the same time, with some rare case such as Cosenza Calcio 1914 and A.S. Cosenza Calcio, that appeared at the same season. Most case that do not pipe were telling they are different clubs as (self-claim) phoenix club and the real club, such as A.C. Ancona (Ancona Calcio) and U.S. Ancona 1905, or case such as bankruptcy of Parma F.C. and the establishment of Parma Calcio 1913.
All case did not applies to A.C. Milan. It just totally fine to pipe to Milan. For Internazionale = Inter or not, there were other clubs named "Internazionale " in Italy in the past in different city, but they were all defunct. But it did not help on the edit war on piping Inter Milan, as "Inter Milan", Inter and Internazionale all appeared in articles. Matthew_hk t c 01:32, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
So... for Infoboxes and such, do you guys mind if we go with A.C. Milan? Govvy ( talk) 09:07, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
I just wanted to run a consensus on what people prefer, I prefer to go with A.C. Milan to be added to leads, Infoboxes, etc. I feel this would give better clarity to related articles, so are people For AC Milan or Against? Govvy ( talk) 13:11, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
PeeJay, I think you must be one of those stubborn people that really don't like change. I've noticed you don't like change on Manchester United articles, you protect them with an iron-will. I do admit I do the same with Spurs articles, but sometimes, for a reason or another there will be a question regarding how to represent information, it's more helpful to give informative explanations instead of back-hand-whit. Govvy ( talk) 13:28, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
The standard naming convention for categories is 'TEAM players'. There are some agreed exceptions to this - for example Category:FC Bayern Munich footballers (following CFD). In relation to Spanish-language nations, there is no consistency - some categories are 'players' and some are 'footballers'. Two questions - is there any good reason for this (and don't you dare say ambiguity for multi-sport clubs, as that is a non-starter, given the articles are about the football section), and if not, can we agree that all categories should be named 'players' in-line with the standard naming convention? Giant Snowman 10:43, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Two players - both Malian, both born in June 1995, both midfielders (albeit it one is a winger). How to disambiguate them? Adama Traoré (footballer, born 1995) and Adama Traoré (footballer, born 5 June 1995). I'd suggest full DOB for both? Giant Snowman 12:25, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
In the player statistics and squad list there are Sergt. Inglis and Gunner Phillips with redirects back to the article. Is that really the right thing to do? Should the two player articles be made red-links? Govvy ( talk) 11:34, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Also this article might need an admin to sort it out, there was an AfD for it and the result was a redirect in Jan 2018. However it got restored despite the outcome, I think it might need to be redirect and SALT'ed. Govvy ( talk) 11:41, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media, and in any language. Nzd (talk) 12:33, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Is this person notable enough to pass GNG? He seemingly fails NFOOTY, and his only 'achievement' is 'discovering' several notable Italian players, which is the only thing about him covered by external links. Not sure if there really any achievement here at all, after working for 40 years as a Serie A/B youth coach, you're bound to pass across some future stars. -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 15:46, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
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I am not sure the current color of the team (as well as the outcome of the NOTGallery on shirt section), but the team used white-blue (stripe) in the past, which was shown in photos ( iltirreno, Universitatea Cluj press release (team on the left is Romagna Centro Cesena), as well as stated in tuttocalciatori (Bianco-Azzurro), emiliaromagnasport.com (Bianco-Azzurro). Would someone that knew the coding for the infobox, fix the shirt? Matthew_hk t c 11:28, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
This is the best I can do for the shirt. More pattern options can be found at {{ Football_kit/pattern_list}}. The colour of the shorts and socks can be improved. Jts1882 | talk 12:16, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
For Your General Information, after some heated edit warring over the past few days, you might be interested to view or comment upon this issue at : Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Talk:2018 Bangabandhu Cup.
These sorts of issues have come up several times in the discussions here. This one has gone straight to a dispute resolution process. Matilda Maniac ( talk) 02:55, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
I have been in an argument with @ FilFootyGuy: about what the Philippines team should be called, the discussion about which can be viewed on the article talk page, my talk page and his talk page. FilFootyGuy has been arguing that since the Philippines team didn't took most of their senior players to the tournament the team should be called Philippines 'B'. I on the other hand think that officially the team represented Philippines and not Philippines 'B', thus the B should not be displayed here. It would be very helpful if someone can help reaching a consensus here. Please ping me while replying.-- Anbans 585 ( talk) 15:07, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello. Could see somebody who is able please revert the edits of this IP user ( User:94.21.34.68). They have been adding fantasy squads to a few clubs, namely at C.D. Trofense (which I restored) and Worcester City F.C.; but also a few others. R96Skinner ( talk) 21:28, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Is Hörður ísafjörður likely to be notable? It is a club in the 4. deild karla (football) tier. The lowest rank of the Icelandic football league system. — Frayæ ( Talk/ Spjall) 15:03, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I've been working on the article for the now-defunct club Rossendale United F.C., and was just wondering if anybody would be willing to help me out with it? I don't think that the lead is long enough nor the what most of what the article is trying to address as very clear! Aha. I'd appreciate any kind of help. Thanks, Joe Vitale 5 ( talk) 02:04, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
So you don't think that anything should be added to the lead? It just seems to short when other articles have much bigger ones. Best, Joe Vitale 5 ( talk) 22:40, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Maybe try and get some more references in the article as most of the history section is unsourced. @ Joe Vitale 5: Not Homura ( talk) 02:10, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
I have an away day programme for the club that literally states everything that's in the article but I guess that that's not good enough? Best, JV5, Joe Vitale 5 ( talk) 09:41, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Polite reminder - if you have a football-related DYK on the main page, please can you include it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Did you know? Giant Snowman 11:29, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Your inputs are welcomed in Template talk:2018–19 A-League table, thanks Hhkohh ( talk) 13:34, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Special:Contributions/103.234.7.72 is back after a one week block in September, and is inventing again. Last reported here in this archive. @ GiantSnowman: any chance of a (much) longer block this time. Starting on the cleanup now... Cheers, Gricehead ( talk) 12:04, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Previous thread about the vandal: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 119#New ip vandal
The current ip: 2405:3800:82:E7FB:144C:A94F:7C94:7E2A ( talk · contribs · WHOIS). Keep changing non-Malaysian to Malaysian nationality. Matthew_hk t c 11:56, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
I am thoroughly cleaning up Carles Puyol's article, matching display of all sources for example. From what newspaper/website does this article come from in your opinion (please see here https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/soccer/2010-07-11-defending-the-caveman/)? The Sunday Times? The Times of Zambia (due to the ZA on the website's address)? Another? I'm at a loss...
Attentively, thank you very much in advance -- Quite A Character ( talk) 19:48, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you very much y'all, correct publisher added to the article :) -- Quite A Character ( talk) 20:51, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Hey guys, if anyone has some free time, the Northern Fury FC page is in dire need of some updating from their later years (post A-League time in the NPL Queensland), rebranding as North Queensland United in 2018 and subsequent demise (again, sadly [wouldn't be surprised if someone tried it again in a few years]). Would appreciate any assistance on this one! Cheers! - J man708 ( talk) 15:09, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
fancy giving the Jermaine Pennant page a rest from the attention attracted by his appearance on Jeremy Kyle... Thanks in advance, Struway2 ( talk) 12:24, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
I removed goal celebrations once, but it got restored! I really don't think it's encyclopaedic, anyone else want to review it? Govvy ( talk) 12:39, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
I am a little confused, I thought he had honours when at Arsenal, but there is nothing in the honours list. Govvy ( talk) 12:56, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Attribute all quotations and any material whose verifiability is challenged or likely to be challenged to a reliable, published source using an inline citation. The cited source must clearly support the material as presented in the article. Cite the source clearly and precisely (specifying page, section, or such divisions as may be appropriate). See Citing sources for details of how to do this. Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source. Whether and how quickly material should be initially removed for not having an inline citation to a reliable source depends on the material and the overall state of the article. In some cases, editors may object if you remove material without giving them time to provide references; consider adding a citation needed tag as an interim step.[4] When tagging or removing material for lacking an inline citation, please state your concern that it may not be possible to find a published reliable source for the content, and therefore it may not be verifiable.[5] If you think the material is verifiable, you are encouraged to provide an inline citation yourself before considering whether to remove or tag it.
(Note: Best to look at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glauver Aranha Pinheiro for the full story)
Following the likely outcome of delete for the Glauver Aranha Pinheiro AfD, I've come here to ask if fellow editors believe past consensus should be listed somewhere clearly in order to stop the confusion around what articles pass/do not pass
NFOOTY.
Glauver Aranha Pinheiro has made one career appearance in a
FPL-listed league, which I (and probably others, certainly in the past) assumed meant he was notable under NFOOTY despite the player clearly failing GNG; fully understanding that GNG is classed higher than NFOOTY and FPL is an essay. With that said, articles at AfD with a connection to football are heavily judged on NFOOTY over GNG on most occasions. So, therefore I thought he'd be kept in the AfD. However,
User:Jogurney later, helpfully, pointed out to me that there had been a clear past consensus that one-appearance wonders, so to speak, are not accepted when it comes to NFOOTY. That leads to inconsistency, which is another discussion entirely.
My overall point from this is: Surely past consensus should be listed somewhere clear, to avoid further confusion in the future. How is anyone supposed to know, especially new editors, otherwise, as NFOOTY mentions nothing of the above. Me and Jogurney seem to agree, so I thought it was best to bring it here for other voices.
Late addition:
Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Consensus could be used, though that is underedited and pretty hidden; just found it myself!
R96Skinner (
talk) 15:42, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Considering they are world champions, this high priority article is very poor (comparing to Football in England, Football in Germany etc for instance). 31.15.225.128 ( talk) 08:20, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Would you consider it a primary source or not? Govvy ( talk) 12:39, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Govvy: I don’t see why not. SportsFan007 ( talk) 12:45, 21 October 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007
I lost in my memory on the last Hungarian ip on inventing hoax players to football club. (may be this one? 94.21.34.68 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) at #94.21.34.68 thread? 16:09, 21 October 2018 (UTC))
But here is his latest ip. it is midnight in my local time BTW.
The lists of finalists usually provide the dates when they secured qualification. Is there a way make such info verifiable? The qualifying procedures sometimes involve determining one or more best/worst 2nd/3rd-placed teams across all groups, and sometimes the results against the bottom-placed team ( example), or even the two bottom-placed teams ( example), are ignored for this purpose. The date of a team's securing the top or a top 2 or top 3 finish in an individual group is more or less straightforward to determine. But the date of mathematically securing qualification is much less so, and requires a review of the possible scenarios in all groups. And even with just a couple of matchdays to go there are still myriads of them. -- Theurgist ( talk) 15:32, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
I was recently doing some work for the U.S. Open Cup Qualifying Rounds and I'm seeing multiple sources call Lansdowne Bhoys FC different names. Some use the original (including U.S. Soccer) while others are calling them Lansdowne Yonkers FC. A quick google search shows that both their league (Cosmopolitan Soccer League) and their own website refer to them by the new name, however U.S. Soccer hasn't seemed to taken notice nor has their page here been updated.
The team's history section says this change was made back in January of this year, so I'm wondering if it should be changed on here too. ColeTrain4EVER ( talk) 20:51, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
I just wanted to ask, if it's just me or if other people feel this article looks messy in large parts. Govvy ( talk) 09:05, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
The article for the country formerly known as Swaziland has now been moved to eSwatini. Unfortunately, it seems like they're keeping the 'SWZ' FIFA trigramme. I've updated several pages that were using the {{fb* templates, otherwise they'd be displaying the name Eswatini which wouldn't be accurate.
Also, a question about the football biography infobox, what is the policy, do they play for Swaziland up to a certain date and a second row for Eswatini ? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 13:53, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
{{fb|SWZ|name=Swaziland}}
to display Could someone more skilled with "roster" pages take a look at this page? I saw it on WP:NPP, but it doesn't seem well contained, or meet the MOS. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 08:25, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Despite being a really highly sourced article, it waffles a lot into WP:OR, specifically regarding what teams are classed as "Galacticos", (Like, seriously, Kashiwa Reysol were Galacticos? And, also the information on why the Real Madrid team was deemed to have failed is not sourced. according to whom? It's such a big article, it probably needs cleanup Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 12:58, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Could someone familiar with Egyptian football confirm if the Mohamed Hamdy at Soccerway [2] (born 1995) is the same person as the player of the same name at Mohamed Hamdy Sharaf (born 1993). Someone has created a draft for a player of this name with the birth year 1995 and I'm a bit confused. Hack ( talk) 11:37, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
Is there anyone in the Leicester area that is able to take photographs of the flowers and other tributes laid in the wake of the 2018 Leicester City F.C. helicopter crash. An image would be useful in the article. Mjroots ( talk) 17:17, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Just wondering, is it more important for us to have the MLS tables shown as W-L-T, to maintain some form of consistency between American sporting articles, or is it more important to have them align with every other country football articles and show W-D-L. Also, is it specifically more important to have the word "Tied" used over "Drawn"?
If it's more important for us to have them Americanised, could someone explain to me why it's the case? It's always just been something I've noticed and been unsure about bringing to a talk page to potentially change. - J man708 ( talk) 17:12, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Would anyone mind taking a look at Darren Kelly, which I suspect the subject of the article has been editing to add unsourced statistics, removing clubs he played and adding some content that is probably not notable. Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 01:08, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Three footballers at this disambig, all with 3 different ways of disambiguating. I'd suggest we go for year of birth? Giant Snowman 14:51, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
I've been doing some work on Hoddle's article, collection sources etc. His birth year, Soccerbase has 1957, Telegraph has 1958, I would consider Telegraph more reliable, just wanted to check with other people for sources and which is better to go with. Govvy ( talk) 15:27, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW close. Consider a move to WikiProject Association football if the current name is considered ambiguous. ( closed by non-admin page mover) feminist ( talk) 07:17, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Football → Wikipedia:WikiProject Soccer – the sport is soccer, not football. SportsFan007 ( talk) 02:20, 31 October 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007
@ Matthew hk, Mattythewhite, and SportingFlyer: NFL is football, FIFA is soccer. and it is NOT "patently false", and it is extremely rude to call is ridiculous. SportsFan007 ( talk) 02:35, 31 October 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007
you can't just say no without giving a reason. SportsFan007 ( talk) 02:55, 31 October 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007
Where do I go to request a sepearate wikiproject page? SportsFan007 ( talk) 03:05, 31 October 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
...to point out a falsehood in the final comment. The "rest of the world" does NOT call it football! I am not American, and I call it soccer. HiLo48 ( talk) 08:03, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
WP:DROPTHESTICK. Not *this* debate per se, but this has been done to death (and beyond) many times. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 09:44, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
Currently there is inconsistency in naming football clubs. For example, check Category:Football clubs in India. For Football Club, some articles use acronym with dots, while others use it in plain form. --Let There Be Sunshine 17:46, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi all, there is a discussion happening at Talk:FC Cincinnati#Splitting article? that potentially has broader impact on other American soccer teams' articles. FC Cincinnati is moving up from United Soccer League (USL) to Major League Soccer (MLS) beginning with the 2019 season. The discussion is about whether the USL team and the MLS team should be covered in one comprehensive article, or in two separate articles. More community input and perspectives would be appreciated to help the discussion move along. Thanks, IagoQnsi ( talk) 01:53, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
See also:
Looks like the other clubs which have moved up have never even considered a merge, but there is also Talk:Montreal_Impact_(1992–2011)#Proposed_article_moves. SportingFlyer talk 23:00, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
I’m sorry I started that whole Soccer vs. Football thing, it was poor judgement on my part. SportsFan007 ( talk) 12:47, 31 October 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007
Apology accepted. No idea why @ Hhkohh: thought to raise ANI issue when SportsFan007 apologised here and at my talk page? Everybody drop it and move in. Giant Snowman 08:31, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Too bad the bot had archive the thread.
So, the WP:RM at main article had been closed (stick to Eswatini). Hope people don't go to Move Review. Thus those need to be moved under this project
However, i am not sure did they discussed the demonym form, thus leave those as it:
Matthew hk ( talk) 05:54, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Now, I have absolutely no technical ability so to make a template for presidents of PSG I borrowed the code from the managers template and changed the title. However, it still says "Paris Saint-Germain F.C. managers". Is anyone smart enough to sort this out? Thanks in advance. Harambe Walks ( talk) 01:39, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
|name=
only specify the template title (similar to the
WP:article title).
Matthew hk (
talk) 06:19, 4 November 2018 (UTC)I did a load of edits to the page to slim line a bit as it's near exactly the same history as on History of Portsmouth F.C. Trying to bring it in line with our MoS, applying WP:Overlink rules, filling in bares refs. But this IP just keeps reverting what I do now. Some help please... Govvy ( talk) 11:07, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
Is it me or is soccerbase becoming less reliable? Govvy ( talk) 14:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Please have a look at the screenshot, I just wanted to point out that for laptop screens, that capacity information is completely unreadable and stadiums in the list is covered also. I have no idea how to fix it. Maybe someone can fix it. Govvy ( talk) 16:07, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
That's better, it's fixed on my browser now from the changes. Govvy ( talk) 13:07, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone know if caps were still officially awarded for the abandoned Serbia v Albania (UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying) match in 2014. The RSSSF and NFT do not seem to state that FIFA have not counted the match in players' totals. Kosack ( talk) 06:44, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Parklands cobbler ( talk · contribs) is again adding full matchday squads for each game during the season ( here). After removing them, he told me to "plz go away" and readded them. Those should not be included or? That's just too much. Kante4 ( talk) 20:01, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Ok I'll get rid of the numbers at the top but keep doing it, thats the info I'll take from this chat. thanks.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Parklands cobbler ( talk • contribs) 09:26, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Excessive listings of unexplained statistics. The statistics are in context and placed in a table as suggested
accordingly, statistics should be placed in tables to enhance readability.
@ Parklands cobbler: there is clear consensus here that such tables should not be included. I have therefore removed it again. If you re-add it you will be blocked for disruptive editing. Giant Snowman 10:04, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
This is a vendetta by Kante4 who is as has been mentioned is being really pedantic. Ilikeeatingwaffles has stated to sort the problem out which I will endevour to work out. Jts1882 & SportingFlyer don't agree with removal on WP:NOT STATS etc as they are quite clearly stats. So I really don't see a problem.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Parklands cobbler ( talk • contribs) 10:24, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
I've created {{ FIFA World Rankings}}, {{ World Football Elo Ratings}} and {{ FIFA Women's World Rankings}} to help facilitate the update of national team rankings. This should allow for all the rankings to be updated in a matter of minutes instead of changing individual articles, also ensuring pages don't become outdated. Additionally, all the rankings are now properly sourced. I've added documentation that should explain the templates well, let me know if anything is unclear. S.A. Julio ( talk) 07:45, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
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I've gone ahead and made a fully functional version of the module for the sports rankings, using the sandbox templates mentioned above. I've added an alias for the FIFA codes to make updates easier. As the data is in place, I've also created a template for making tables from the rankings ({{ Sports rankings table}}). This means the table in the FIFA World Rankings article page and the individual rankings in infoboxes can all be updated in one place. I've updated the FIBA ranking as well. Jts1882 | talk 17:49, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
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{{#invoke|SportsRankings|DATA_SUBPAGE|list}}
would use data in
Module:SportsRankings/data/DATA_SUBPAGE, with the data subpage set to UEFA Coefficient Rankings. The current functions handle all the rankings the same way, but the advantage of a module is that customisation of different rankings is possible.
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talk 08:26, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
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References
Going through the " unreferenced" articles for the WikiProject, I noticed Allan Morrison. Is he notable under WP:NSPORTS or WP:GNG? Hack ( talk) 14:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
I've sorted out the Morrison article. Giant Snowman 14:17, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Does this guy pass WP:NFOOTBALL or not? Govvy ( talk) 17:59, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
In Odisseas Vlachodimos article, should we write "Odisseas" or "Odysseas"? Since some people started changing his first name to "Odysseas", I added "also known as Odysseas" to the lead. Apparently, it didn't help much. Please give your input at the talk page. SLBedit ( talk) 20:43, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Also, Vlachodimos represented Germany at youth level, but now he's eligible to represent Greece. So I changed the lead to "is a Greek footballer". Is it okay? SLBedit ( talk) 20:47, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Please, move the title to S.S. Lazio Calcio Femminile (as before) and create a new page for S.S. Lazio Women 2015. They are two different clubs, that play in different leagues.-- 79.36.72.222 ( talk) 18:27, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm trying to decide if Draft:Zdenek Bezdek satisfies WP:FOOTY. It appears that he has played at least one game for FC Baník Ostrava, but I can't tell if this site is a reliable source. Could someone who understands Czech check? Clarityfiend ( talk) 07:00, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
Hello everybody,
Sorry for my bad English.
On the
Germany team article, on the lead section, there is this sentence:
After winning the 2017 Confederations Cup, it became one of the only four nations—alongside Brazil, Argentina and France—to win all three most important men's titles recognised by FIFA: the World Cup, the Confederations Cup, and the Olympic tournament. They have also won their respective continental championship (Copa América for Argentina and Brazil, and UEFA European Championship for France and Germany). with two sources.
But there are many problems with this sentence :
Despite all this elements, an contributor has reverted the deletion of this sentence on 16 October and doesn't want revert his revert. Since three weeks, I try to convince this contributor. This contributor doesn't see the problems et doesn't accept the sources ( Wikipedia:Five pillars) et his only argument is that it isn't his opinion despite other contributor with similar contribution than me (@ Wildboy7: agrees with me: cf. [5]).
I want your support for remove this sentence but keeping the sources that are useful for the precedent sentence.
GabrieL ( talk) 16:56, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi, which is the preferred option between the two in the case one’s name is already taken by another article on Wikipedia?
“Felix Michel (footballer)” or “George Felix Michel” (his full name).
He is commonly called “Felix Michel”, but his full name is George Felix Michel, should that be the article name or should we stick to what it’s called now (“Felix Michel (footballer))? Nehme1499 ( talk) 23:52, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi, this may have been already discussed but what is the standard for the nationality of people with multiple citizenships in the lead?
For example, Alexander Michel and Felix Michel have just been called up to the Lebanon national football team thanks to their Lebanese origins. They have however lived all their lives in Sweden and, other than having a Lebanese grandfather, are completely Swedish. Is the correct lead "...is a Swedish footballer of Lebanese descent who plays for..." (current), "...is a Lebanese footballer who plays for..." (because of the national team they play for), "...is a Swedish-Lebanese footballer who plays for..." (therefore considering both citizenships equally) or other?
Thanks for your time. Nehme1499 ( talk) 21:55, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
In the case of the two players mentioned here, they have both acquired Lebanese citizenship due to their origins while maintaining their previous Swedish nationality, making them both Swedish and Lebanese. I have updated both their leads with “is a professional football player who plays for...” and added an explanation about their nationalities under the header. Nehme1499 ( talk) 08:19, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
The correct names of some Turkish clubs are "Galatasaray SK", "Fenerbahçe SK", "Beşiktaş JK", "İstanbul Başakşehir FK" - without dots for SK, JK, FK. All of these clubs use these names in their local and foreign official websites and social media presences as such, without the dots. To further support this, you cannot have a Turkish name or acronym with dots in it, as this is explicitly stated by the Turkish Language Association.
If we are changing names for consistency in English, how about we just change Başakşehir F.K. (futbol kulübü = football club) to Başakşehir F.C. then? It doesn't make sense. There's no point in trying to alter these foreign names to match English naming norms or consistency. I would say accuracy is more important, so trying to anglicise the writing of these names doesn't help. Junk2711 ( talk) 19:43, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Despite there being no consensus here, Junk2711 has started a handful of RMs, referring back to this discussion as a rationale, as well as moving another one. The discussions are here, here, here and here. Cheers, Number 5 7 12:18, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Currently Hole (association football) is a redirect to Playmaker. There is, however, no mention of 'hole' that I can see at Playmaker. Is there a more sensible place for that redirect to point to? Or, should some mention of 'hole' be added to Playmaker? Or or, should the page have content in its own right, rather than redirecting elsewhere? I honestly have no idea, as I know very little about football. Cnilep ( talk) 03:54, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Would someone like to join the discussion about the appropriate lineage of the East Germany Mens National Team and West Germany Mens National Team history in relation to the Germany Mens National Team on Talk:Germany national football team? Walter Görlitz ( talk) 06:13, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Should this page be on Barawa national football team and the redirect the other way around or not? Govvy ( talk) 12:04, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
There is a proposal to change Wikipedia's Manual of Style to bar the use of YYYY-YY in articles and titles if ending in -01, -02 etc up to -12 ("unless in close proximity to other ranges in this format that end with numbers outside the 01–12 range"), as "anything ending in "-01" through "-12" ... is routinely misread as YYYY-MM."
Titles such as "
2008–09 Premier League" would not be permitted ("
2008–2009 Premier League" would be required) but "
2018–19 Premier League" would still be allowed. The discussion is at
Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Clarifying date ranges in YYYY–YY format.
92.19.28.168 (
talk) 16:22, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
I am wondering whether the above article is now more about the scandal than it is about the song. If it is, and the addition of material that Big Jock cannot possibly have known about as it is too recent may suggest so, should the title be changed to reflect this? Britmax ( talk) 18:36, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi everyone. In the page A.S. Roma there is the old logo (used between 2013 and 2017) and not the new one: could anyone upload the 2017 logo?-- Luca•M 09:14, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Is anyone able to find any other obituary for Roger Hoy besides the Spurs one? Govvy ( talk) 12:23, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. -- Izno Repeat ( talk) 21:32, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
I see that there is currently no article on Simon Hooper who is now a Select Group referee. It appears that there was an article, but this was deleted on 11 October 2018. Can this article be reinstated? Thanks. Daemonickangaroo2018 ( talk) 08:35, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm actually renaming Category:Divisiones regionales de fútbol players, Category:Divisiones regionales de fútbol and Category:Divisiones Regionales navigational boxes to Category:Divisiones Regionales de Fútbol players, Category:Divisiones Regionales de Fútbol and Category:Divisiones Regionales de Fútbol navigational boxes, to match up with the article name ( Divisiones Regionales de Fútbol). But somehow @ BrownHairedGirl and @ Timrollpickering think this approach is incorrect and are reverting me by saying that I "gathered no consensus", since the category were created by other users back in the day and were all "abandoned". Some templates belonging to Category:Divisiones Regionales de Fútbol navigational boxes (or Category:Divisiones Regionales navigational boxes - I don't know anymore, since BHG is reverting everything) were not updated since the 2012-13 season.
A great example is Template:Preferente de Madrid. She reverted all my edits where I was updating the templates! Blind WP:HOUND I think it is.
Can you guys give some inputs on what you think it's the correct name of the cats, please? MYS 77 ✉ 18:57, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
There are Category:CS Hammam-Lif and Category:Club Sportif de Hammam-Lif that should be merged, I guess. -- Superchilum( talk to me!) 08:19, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Hey all, there's a discussion going on at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FC Cincinnati (MLS) that is relevant to soccer in the U.S. at large, so I thought I'd post it here. Cheers, IagoQnsi ( talk) 00:40, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
I didn't know we had this article, but I think a few trolls, sock puppets have been editing the article so I am not sure what's fake, correct etc. Might need reviewing, Govvy ( talk) 18:34, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone think an article based on the history of British and Irish players abroad would be notable subject to write about ? Dwanyewest ( talk) 11:23, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
I think it'd be interesting - focus on notable aspects of it, eg the notorious reluctance of the Br players to learn languages, until Lineker broke that mould, or settle into the culture, see Luther Blissett for his comments on Rice Crispies. -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 12:16, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
I've noticed that the new Celta de Vigo manager,
Miguel Cardoso, has his article named as Miguel Cardoso (football coach)
, while
Ricardo Rodríguez (a former Girona manager), has his article named as Ricardo Rodríguez (football manager)
. Both naming conventions are correct or should we move one of them?
MYS
77
✉ 13:44, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
I have opened a discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 November 18#The hole (football) regarding five titles with Hole or The hole, redirecting to either Forward (association football) or Playmaker. Comments are welcomed from contributors to this WikiProject. Cnilep ( talk) 03:01, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi,
Can someone help me out on creating the proper kits for the infobox of the Lebanon national football team? I would have no problem in doing it myself but I have zero knowledge on how to create and upload the correct templates.
Thanks for your help. Nehme1499 ( talk) 11:36, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Terrell Miller did not play for Brentford, Northwood (loan) or Carshalton Athletic (loan). He has been confused with Tyrell Miller-Rodney, who played for Brentford's youth and development teams between 2011 and 2015. [1] [2]. Refs for Miller Rodney's Northwood and Carshalton Athletic loans are here and here. For his joining and leaving Brentford, see here and here. I believe the cause is that [10] has been used as a source for Terrell Miller's career. Beatpoet ( talk) 17:50, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
References
While doing NPP, I came across USL Chicago. This article had existed for a while but was then redirected. I did a quick archive search to see if this topic of future USL teams had been discussed before and didn't find a discussion. At what point would a new USL team be notable? Upon annoucement? Sometime closer to start of play? I don't know enough about the USL to have a good sense on this topic. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 16:46, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi. As part of my ongoing work to create biographies on Olympians, I've now created a stub for all the missing footballers. If you're intrested, you can find the full list here. I went the squad lists for each Olympics ( example), and completed the red links for those with biographies on Sports Reference. The caveat is that I've not gone through every single existing blue link to ensure it's the right person, but if you spot anyone who is missing, I'm more than happy to create a stub for them (drop a note on my talkpage). Likewise, if I've created a stub and the subject already exists (different spelling, etc), then I've no problem if you want to merge/redirect to the earlier article. Or, if you prefer, drop me a note and I'll do the work on that too.
Now football is my least favourite sport (please put your pitchforks down), and as a result, I know next to nothing about individuals and teams. So any questions about confusion between two players are probably best left to this talkpage, and not mine! And lastly, thanks to @ GiantSnowman: for some early guidance. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:17, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Players who have played in, and managers who have managed in:
- any Tier 1 International Match, as defined by FIFA,
- a competitive senior international match at confederation level regardless of whether or not the teams are members of FIFA, or
- the Olympic Games.
This is more of a ping to editors who want to help out bringing the article up to a respectable standard. Govvy ( talk) 19:48, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
My feeling is it doesn't meet WP:FOOTYN as it's a youth league so not the highest league in the country (that being New Zealand Football Championship for men). I nominated it for deletion but Quazarrr who wrote the article removed it as it would be top league only it's top for youth. It doesn't meet WP:N either so feels like it should be deleted but I'm not clear on it so came here. NZFC (talk) (cont) 08:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi all, I recently saw
Danielmordor (
talk ·
contribs) re-order the
Luxembourg national football team (and other) current squad to be sorted by number of caps. I originally put it in following the order of the press release both by local press and the local FA - alphabetical - and this appears to be the standard across the various FAs and their press releases. Looking at the
Manual of Style for national teams, I don't see anything noted about ordering criteria here, so I'm wondering if there is already a consensus for this, or if one needs to be decided? Cheers, --
Philk84
15:56, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
There has been a discussion on this topic previously, but it doesn't appear that any consensus was reached. I think it would be useful for us to try to reach a consensus.
Currently, per the notability guidelines, a player is only notable if they play against another fully professional league side. This leads to the absurdity that if John Doe starts for Manchester United and scores a hat-trick against Wrexham (top of the 5th tier) in the FA Cup, he is not notable. However, if he comes off the bench in the 93rd minute against Macclesfield Town (bottom of the 4th tier), he is. Even within competitions this causes issues. Josh Key played an EFL Trophy fixture for a professional football league side ( Exeter City), and thus meets notability criteria. Meanwhile, James Dodd played an EFL Trophy fixture for a professional football league side ( Exeter City), but fails to meet notability criteria, as he played in a fixture against West Ham United Academy (who for the uninitiated compete alongside senior clubs in this competition). It is worth noting that the local paper list Dodd as having been 'handed his City debut' in this match - the opposition was not a concern. The same is true on the club website: "James made his first team debut for City as a second-half substitute in the club's 2-0 win over West Ham United under-21s in the 2018/19 Checkatrade.com Trophy."
It seems to me that this is an oversight in the notability criteria that ought to be corrected. A player is notable due to them making their professional debut for a professional side in a competitive fixture. The opposition in that fixture is a footnote, not the point from which notability stems. Domeditrix ( talk) 16:10, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
On making some edits regarding Raith Rovers players in the McCrae's Battalion article, I noticed that the listing of James Logan linked to the wrong player. The player in question is team captain James H. Logan (the "H" being given as Henry in some references to him), not, apparently, the same individual as Jimmy Logan (footballer) (James Merrilees Logan) or James Logan (defender, born 1885) (James Lochhead Logan, who coincidentally later managed RRFC). Logan is the only one of the Rovers players not to have a linked article, particularly puzzling as he was the captain and the only info I can find regarding him is of him simply in various lists of his comrades. I'm not particularly au fait with using football resources and wondered if anyone here could unearth material with which to create an article. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 17:48, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Captain was his final rank in the army. You can use the Dundee Evening Telegraph article for this as well. Cattivi ( talk) 11:54, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
I've started expanding James Logan (forward, born 1885) from the sources supplied by everyone here and have tagged it as {{ under construction}}. Mainly as an excuse for leaving unsourced stuff in temporarily. Please feel free to join in. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 12:32, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
I think the reference in the Fife Free Press here to Logan being team captain may well be doubtful, quite possibly confusion with his army rank and particularly as it is not repeated in this article, already mentioned above, of only two days later.
A bit of a tangent but a related one: it dawned on me that the James W.M. Gourlay noted to be standing on the right of the photograph in these newspaper articles and in the same shot in the war memorial at Starks Park, (in Commons here: [13]) is in a distinctly different uniform and is not noted in the newspaper articles as being among the seven Raith players who joined McCrae's battalion, all of whom are listed in the corresponding wikipedia article on the unit. Gourlay's uniform and cap badge appear to be that of the Fife and Forfar Yeomanry, which would seem to match him with this Imperial War Museum listing. The photograph in the latter article apparently shows him wearing a football jersey. Was he another Raith player, hence his inclusion in the photograph or is that inclusion an aberrration or have another significance? With the great work you've all done regarding Logan, I'm hopeful somebody can turn up the answer. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 01:15, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Now that we have a month of birth for James H. Logan, I'd suggest renaming James Logan (forward, born 1885) and James Logan (defender, born 1885) to use birth month rather than playing position to disambiguate. Neither man played predominantly in the chosen playing position used: both played mainly in the half back line. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 12:42, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
I have tried bringing this subject up multiple times without any responses. I wish to know for the men's national football team should there be a subsection of the teams national playing style. I feel that is notable as there are many third person sources criticising as one the reasons for its lack of success. Dwanyewest ( talk) 11:30, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
[14]
[15]
[16]
[17]
[18] These surely are good sources
Lee Vilenski (
talk •
contribs) but I fear if I used them they will be reverted like the previous time.
Dwanyewest (
talk) 10:57, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
It seem there is a wide spread issue of "X is a Kosovar Albanian footballer " in lede of the articles, which the issue differ from "Israeli Arab footballer".
Would any people have a watch on those articles , removing the wording "Albanian" ? Matthew hk ( talk) 15:59, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
ChrisTheDude Here is the revert diff:
Special:Diff/869972795 and
Special:Diff/869973246.
Matthew hk (
talk) 15:35, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
I am referring to a Panathinaikos's player in Greek Super League /info/en/?search=Anastasios_Chatzigiovannis Chatzigiovanis is with one n, not with double n As I see, in the text of the entry, the name has been written correctly, but the title is wrong May someone delete the double n from the title of the page? Thanks Tonyathens1988 ( talk) 10:21, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Can someone please protect this article from vandalism as an IP keeps changing it to add an extra match and win to Manchester United's results. I am already guilty of edit warring. Daemonickangaroo2018 ( talk) 09:46, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Robert Buchanan was a Scottish footballer who played for Chelsea, Southend and Gillingham. His date of birth does not seem to be known. How best to differentiate him from Robert Buchanan (footballer), who was also Scottish....? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 20:17, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion on Golden point as to which name of football should be used. The link is here. The C of E God Save the Queen! ( talk) 09:16, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Recently I've seen a lot of edits like this: [20]. Is this really needed and why? Don't we have wikidata for this? Just a few years ago we were getting rid of persondata, and now this? -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 10:14, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Paco Alcácer was on a season-long transfer from Barcalona to Borussia Dortmund. Today, the latter club arranged to make it a transfer. So how does that appear in the infobox? Do we reflect the four-month transfer (and its associated stats) as club5 and the post singing to club6 or do we change the club5 entry to drop the transfer so that the player's stats with Dortmund appear on one row (because you know that's going to cause confusion, inaccuracies and edit wars)? I went with the latter option, but recognize that I could be wrong. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 16:42, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Template:FC Prishtina squad is the result of what happends when fans take control over things and make terrible changes thinking that way they are making their club look better. What shall we do? The template was initially made by Sadsadas and looked fine ( here), but editors turned it into a mess. Should we return it to its initial form, or delete, or, what you all think? I don´t want to do anything bold without consulting you guys. FkpCascais ( talk) 17:43, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi,
I was wondering is there was a standard order for the various sections of the national teams as I can't seem to find any consistency throughout the different articles. By sections I mean "History", "Team image", "Venues", "Competitive record", "Coaching staff", "Results and fixtures", "Players", "Records", ecc...
Thanks, Nehme1499 ( talk) 09:38, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
There's an IP editor [21] (previously [22]) who endlessly adds and modifies list of tournamets brodcasters. -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 10:33, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
I added a little to Paco Alcácer today including a subheading for his loan from Valencia to Getafe and one for going back. This was removed by Quite A Character in his edit reviews. I have no interest in any kind of battle over this in particular or generally but just wanted to be sure, I'm not saying I think I am right but couldn't confirm I was wrong either (QAC had his usual cartoon-hysterics way of pointing out this error in the summary ("AGAIN? No sub-sub-sub-sub-sections!"), no issues with that or any of the other tidy-ups but just a bit doubtful of that rule itself. I have had a quick look at templates but couldn't find anything obvious in terms of MOS for how deep the subheadings should go. We have to start at 2 ==s for the Career anyway, then 3 ===s for each permanent club. My understanding(?) was that any loan of a significant length, or each season for really wordy articles, should get its own subsection. That takes it to 4 =====s, which is the level the Alcácer Getafe loan was at. To me that's not excessive or unusual to see on articles, and broke up what was a fairly big (not huge, but sizable) Valencia section. In fact the only image in that section is of him playing for Getafe. It's beside the text for the loan spell, but still possibly more confusing that the loan having its own section within the Valencia bit, IMO. But if 4-level section headings are to be avoided wherever possible on Biographies or on everything, fair enough and I will do so. (I realise 5 =====s is too far btw, for one thing the text would almost be as small as the body text itself!) If someone could advise or point to a previous discussion for future reference, that would be grand. Crowsus ( talk) 01:18, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
If you notice, i not only reverted your sub-section outline and/or engaged in hysterics, but i arranged refs you added and added another reference for his Getafe overall spell, which was not there. However, if the vast majority of the fellow users side with you on this one (i have a hunch they will, not meaning to disrespectful or anything) don't worry as i will cease to edit there as i have other articles (i.e. Javi Martínez which is now full of season-by-season sub-sections in the club career, and needless (just my opinion) infobox/statistical chart repetitions in storyline with the habitual BDFUTBOL/SOCCERWAY/etc refs (why have a box and a statistical chart when you are going to write/source that in storyline, saying over and over again "Mr. Martínez/Alcácer finished the X season with Y goals from appearances?). No worries from me giving up on this or that article forever if need be, don't want to be a nuisance to anyone (both Martínez and Alcácer are articles i improved dramatically from day one, but alas).
Attentively, sorry for any inconvenience (especially to Crowsus) -- Quite A Character ( talk) 04:26, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
ONE LINE just to say where he was born? I see (what i also see is that even some GOOD articles don't have that season-by-season and loan division - OK maybe the loans, but not the season-by-season)... I have to accept that display if that's the majority, but still had another go (replacing size of dashes and separating the paragraphs, as now sub-sub-sub-sections are now often only ONE paragraph, also relocated place of birth into start of club career as i have often seen without any problems, no need for that one-liner), sorry for the inconvenience again. -- Quite A Character ( talk) 18:15, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
This article has been in the subject of a two-way disagreement on as to why there should be the "F.C." there or not between User:ImprovedWikiImprovment and the two users who reverted. I've had a look at some of the other club articles (e.g. Burnley F.C., Leicester City F.C., Cardiff City F.C., Swansea City A.F.C. etc. do not have that abbreviation at the end. One more edit from the same user within the next 24 hours would be an edit war between two others but who would be correct to leave it as "Birmingham City" with the F.C. or not? Iggy ( Swan) 22:14, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
So you’re saying what I saw as consensus is because of one editor removing the "FC"? Because if so then clearly I’ve made an error (and only if). IWI ( chat) 23:05, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
|clubname=
blank, you get Clubname F.C./A.F.C. above the box.That’s irrelevant since it’s clear there isn’t enough consistency to use standards as consensus; consensus will be made here. IWI ( chat) 10:55, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Every infobox for every club in every country should display the club name as reflected in the title - so 'Birmingham City F.C.', 'Seattle Sounders FC' etc. etc. That level of consistence is neat and also matches standard infobox naming for non-football articles as well. Giant Snowman 10:57, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
|clubname={{tl|PAGENAMEBASE}}
in the infobox for
Liverpool F.C. (Montevideo), which then gives Liverpool F.C. as the caption. This is available in the title object in a module.
Jts1882 |
talk 11:28, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Talk:2018–19 UEFA Europa League#Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded.
Hhkohh (
talk) 11:14, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
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I've noticed on a a fair amount of articles that instead of seeing A.C. Milan I just see Milan, so I've often had to click on the link to see if it goes to A.C. or Inter, it's been annoying me a bit. I just wanted to ask what other people think, if we should have the A.C. bit in the infobox and headings also? Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 12:07, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
[[AC Milan|Milan]]
to hide the actual name of the club.
Jts1882 |
talk 16:31, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
as far as i know A.C. is a common prefix, just like Ltd in the world of company name, or F.C., J.K. in football/sports. For disambiguation it was appeared in WP:article title, as well as it may be not pipe in the lead in case people confuse that the player plays for the city of Milan instead of the club. Most city of Italy had only one notable football club at the same time, with some rare case such as Cosenza Calcio 1914 and A.S. Cosenza Calcio, that appeared at the same season. Most case that do not pipe were telling they are different clubs as (self-claim) phoenix club and the real club, such as A.C. Ancona (Ancona Calcio) and U.S. Ancona 1905, or case such as bankruptcy of Parma F.C. and the establishment of Parma Calcio 1913.
All case did not applies to A.C. Milan. It just totally fine to pipe to Milan. For Internazionale = Inter or not, there were other clubs named "Internazionale " in Italy in the past in different city, but they were all defunct. But it did not help on the edit war on piping Inter Milan, as "Inter Milan", Inter and Internazionale all appeared in articles. Matthew_hk t c 01:32, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
So... for Infoboxes and such, do you guys mind if we go with A.C. Milan? Govvy ( talk) 09:07, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
I just wanted to run a consensus on what people prefer, I prefer to go with A.C. Milan to be added to leads, Infoboxes, etc. I feel this would give better clarity to related articles, so are people For AC Milan or Against? Govvy ( talk) 13:11, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
PeeJay, I think you must be one of those stubborn people that really don't like change. I've noticed you don't like change on Manchester United articles, you protect them with an iron-will. I do admit I do the same with Spurs articles, but sometimes, for a reason or another there will be a question regarding how to represent information, it's more helpful to give informative explanations instead of back-hand-whit. Govvy ( talk) 13:28, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
The standard naming convention for categories is 'TEAM players'. There are some agreed exceptions to this - for example Category:FC Bayern Munich footballers (following CFD). In relation to Spanish-language nations, there is no consistency - some categories are 'players' and some are 'footballers'. Two questions - is there any good reason for this (and don't you dare say ambiguity for multi-sport clubs, as that is a non-starter, given the articles are about the football section), and if not, can we agree that all categories should be named 'players' in-line with the standard naming convention? Giant Snowman 10:43, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Two players - both Malian, both born in June 1995, both midfielders (albeit it one is a winger). How to disambiguate them? Adama Traoré (footballer, born 1995) and Adama Traoré (footballer, born 5 June 1995). I'd suggest full DOB for both? Giant Snowman 12:25, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
In the player statistics and squad list there are Sergt. Inglis and Gunner Phillips with redirects back to the article. Is that really the right thing to do? Should the two player articles be made red-links? Govvy ( talk) 11:34, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Also this article might need an admin to sort it out, there was an AfD for it and the result was a redirect in Jan 2018. However it got restored despite the outcome, I think it might need to be redirect and SALT'ed. Govvy ( talk) 11:41, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media, and in any language. Nzd (talk) 12:33, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Is this person notable enough to pass GNG? He seemingly fails NFOOTY, and his only 'achievement' is 'discovering' several notable Italian players, which is the only thing about him covered by external links. Not sure if there really any achievement here at all, after working for 40 years as a Serie A/B youth coach, you're bound to pass across some future stars. -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 15:46, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
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I am not sure the current color of the team (as well as the outcome of the NOTGallery on shirt section), but the team used white-blue (stripe) in the past, which was shown in photos ( iltirreno, Universitatea Cluj press release (team on the left is Romagna Centro Cesena), as well as stated in tuttocalciatori (Bianco-Azzurro), emiliaromagnasport.com (Bianco-Azzurro). Would someone that knew the coding for the infobox, fix the shirt? Matthew_hk t c 11:28, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
This is the best I can do for the shirt. More pattern options can be found at {{ Football_kit/pattern_list}}. The colour of the shorts and socks can be improved. Jts1882 | talk 12:16, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
For Your General Information, after some heated edit warring over the past few days, you might be interested to view or comment upon this issue at : Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Talk:2018 Bangabandhu Cup.
These sorts of issues have come up several times in the discussions here. This one has gone straight to a dispute resolution process. Matilda Maniac ( talk) 02:55, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
I have been in an argument with @ FilFootyGuy: about what the Philippines team should be called, the discussion about which can be viewed on the article talk page, my talk page and his talk page. FilFootyGuy has been arguing that since the Philippines team didn't took most of their senior players to the tournament the team should be called Philippines 'B'. I on the other hand think that officially the team represented Philippines and not Philippines 'B', thus the B should not be displayed here. It would be very helpful if someone can help reaching a consensus here. Please ping me while replying.-- Anbans 585 ( talk) 15:07, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello. Could see somebody who is able please revert the edits of this IP user ( User:94.21.34.68). They have been adding fantasy squads to a few clubs, namely at C.D. Trofense (which I restored) and Worcester City F.C.; but also a few others. R96Skinner ( talk) 21:28, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Is Hörður ísafjörður likely to be notable? It is a club in the 4. deild karla (football) tier. The lowest rank of the Icelandic football league system. — Frayæ ( Talk/ Spjall) 15:03, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I've been working on the article for the now-defunct club Rossendale United F.C., and was just wondering if anybody would be willing to help me out with it? I don't think that the lead is long enough nor the what most of what the article is trying to address as very clear! Aha. I'd appreciate any kind of help. Thanks, Joe Vitale 5 ( talk) 02:04, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
So you don't think that anything should be added to the lead? It just seems to short when other articles have much bigger ones. Best, Joe Vitale 5 ( talk) 22:40, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Maybe try and get some more references in the article as most of the history section is unsourced. @ Joe Vitale 5: Not Homura ( talk) 02:10, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
I have an away day programme for the club that literally states everything that's in the article but I guess that that's not good enough? Best, JV5, Joe Vitale 5 ( talk) 09:41, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Polite reminder - if you have a football-related DYK on the main page, please can you include it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Did you know? Giant Snowman 11:29, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Your inputs are welcomed in Template talk:2018–19 A-League table, thanks Hhkohh ( talk) 13:34, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Special:Contributions/103.234.7.72 is back after a one week block in September, and is inventing again. Last reported here in this archive. @ GiantSnowman: any chance of a (much) longer block this time. Starting on the cleanup now... Cheers, Gricehead ( talk) 12:04, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Previous thread about the vandal: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 119#New ip vandal
The current ip: 2405:3800:82:E7FB:144C:A94F:7C94:7E2A ( talk · contribs · WHOIS). Keep changing non-Malaysian to Malaysian nationality. Matthew_hk t c 11:56, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
I am thoroughly cleaning up Carles Puyol's article, matching display of all sources for example. From what newspaper/website does this article come from in your opinion (please see here https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/soccer/2010-07-11-defending-the-caveman/)? The Sunday Times? The Times of Zambia (due to the ZA on the website's address)? Another? I'm at a loss...
Attentively, thank you very much in advance -- Quite A Character ( talk) 19:48, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you very much y'all, correct publisher added to the article :) -- Quite A Character ( talk) 20:51, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Hey guys, if anyone has some free time, the Northern Fury FC page is in dire need of some updating from their later years (post A-League time in the NPL Queensland), rebranding as North Queensland United in 2018 and subsequent demise (again, sadly [wouldn't be surprised if someone tried it again in a few years]). Would appreciate any assistance on this one! Cheers! - J man708 ( talk) 15:09, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
fancy giving the Jermaine Pennant page a rest from the attention attracted by his appearance on Jeremy Kyle... Thanks in advance, Struway2 ( talk) 12:24, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
I removed goal celebrations once, but it got restored! I really don't think it's encyclopaedic, anyone else want to review it? Govvy ( talk) 12:39, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
I am a little confused, I thought he had honours when at Arsenal, but there is nothing in the honours list. Govvy ( talk) 12:56, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Attribute all quotations and any material whose verifiability is challenged or likely to be challenged to a reliable, published source using an inline citation. The cited source must clearly support the material as presented in the article. Cite the source clearly and precisely (specifying page, section, or such divisions as may be appropriate). See Citing sources for details of how to do this. Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source. Whether and how quickly material should be initially removed for not having an inline citation to a reliable source depends on the material and the overall state of the article. In some cases, editors may object if you remove material without giving them time to provide references; consider adding a citation needed tag as an interim step.[4] When tagging or removing material for lacking an inline citation, please state your concern that it may not be possible to find a published reliable source for the content, and therefore it may not be verifiable.[5] If you think the material is verifiable, you are encouraged to provide an inline citation yourself before considering whether to remove or tag it.
(Note: Best to look at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glauver Aranha Pinheiro for the full story)
Following the likely outcome of delete for the Glauver Aranha Pinheiro AfD, I've come here to ask if fellow editors believe past consensus should be listed somewhere clearly in order to stop the confusion around what articles pass/do not pass
NFOOTY.
Glauver Aranha Pinheiro has made one career appearance in a
FPL-listed league, which I (and probably others, certainly in the past) assumed meant he was notable under NFOOTY despite the player clearly failing GNG; fully understanding that GNG is classed higher than NFOOTY and FPL is an essay. With that said, articles at AfD with a connection to football are heavily judged on NFOOTY over GNG on most occasions. So, therefore I thought he'd be kept in the AfD. However,
User:Jogurney later, helpfully, pointed out to me that there had been a clear past consensus that one-appearance wonders, so to speak, are not accepted when it comes to NFOOTY. That leads to inconsistency, which is another discussion entirely.
My overall point from this is: Surely past consensus should be listed somewhere clear, to avoid further confusion in the future. How is anyone supposed to know, especially new editors, otherwise, as NFOOTY mentions nothing of the above. Me and Jogurney seem to agree, so I thought it was best to bring it here for other voices.
Late addition:
Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Consensus could be used, though that is underedited and pretty hidden; just found it myself!
R96Skinner (
talk) 15:42, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Considering they are world champions, this high priority article is very poor (comparing to Football in England, Football in Germany etc for instance). 31.15.225.128 ( talk) 08:20, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Would you consider it a primary source or not? Govvy ( talk) 12:39, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Govvy: I don’t see why not. SportsFan007 ( talk) 12:45, 21 October 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007
I lost in my memory on the last Hungarian ip on inventing hoax players to football club. (may be this one? 94.21.34.68 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) at #94.21.34.68 thread? 16:09, 21 October 2018 (UTC))
But here is his latest ip. it is midnight in my local time BTW.
The lists of finalists usually provide the dates when they secured qualification. Is there a way make such info verifiable? The qualifying procedures sometimes involve determining one or more best/worst 2nd/3rd-placed teams across all groups, and sometimes the results against the bottom-placed team ( example), or even the two bottom-placed teams ( example), are ignored for this purpose. The date of a team's securing the top or a top 2 or top 3 finish in an individual group is more or less straightforward to determine. But the date of mathematically securing qualification is much less so, and requires a review of the possible scenarios in all groups. And even with just a couple of matchdays to go there are still myriads of them. -- Theurgist ( talk) 15:32, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
I was recently doing some work for the U.S. Open Cup Qualifying Rounds and I'm seeing multiple sources call Lansdowne Bhoys FC different names. Some use the original (including U.S. Soccer) while others are calling them Lansdowne Yonkers FC. A quick google search shows that both their league (Cosmopolitan Soccer League) and their own website refer to them by the new name, however U.S. Soccer hasn't seemed to taken notice nor has their page here been updated.
The team's history section says this change was made back in January of this year, so I'm wondering if it should be changed on here too. ColeTrain4EVER ( talk) 20:51, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
I just wanted to ask, if it's just me or if other people feel this article looks messy in large parts. Govvy ( talk) 09:05, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
The article for the country formerly known as Swaziland has now been moved to eSwatini. Unfortunately, it seems like they're keeping the 'SWZ' FIFA trigramme. I've updated several pages that were using the {{fb* templates, otherwise they'd be displaying the name Eswatini which wouldn't be accurate.
Also, a question about the football biography infobox, what is the policy, do they play for Swaziland up to a certain date and a second row for Eswatini ? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 13:53, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
{{fb|SWZ|name=Swaziland}}
to display Could someone more skilled with "roster" pages take a look at this page? I saw it on WP:NPP, but it doesn't seem well contained, or meet the MOS. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 08:25, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Despite being a really highly sourced article, it waffles a lot into WP:OR, specifically regarding what teams are classed as "Galacticos", (Like, seriously, Kashiwa Reysol were Galacticos? And, also the information on why the Real Madrid team was deemed to have failed is not sourced. according to whom? It's such a big article, it probably needs cleanup Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 12:58, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Could someone familiar with Egyptian football confirm if the Mohamed Hamdy at Soccerway [2] (born 1995) is the same person as the player of the same name at Mohamed Hamdy Sharaf (born 1993). Someone has created a draft for a player of this name with the birth year 1995 and I'm a bit confused. Hack ( talk) 11:37, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
Is there anyone in the Leicester area that is able to take photographs of the flowers and other tributes laid in the wake of the 2018 Leicester City F.C. helicopter crash. An image would be useful in the article. Mjroots ( talk) 17:17, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Just wondering, is it more important for us to have the MLS tables shown as W-L-T, to maintain some form of consistency between American sporting articles, or is it more important to have them align with every other country football articles and show W-D-L. Also, is it specifically more important to have the word "Tied" used over "Drawn"?
If it's more important for us to have them Americanised, could someone explain to me why it's the case? It's always just been something I've noticed and been unsure about bringing to a talk page to potentially change. - J man708 ( talk) 17:12, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Would anyone mind taking a look at Darren Kelly, which I suspect the subject of the article has been editing to add unsourced statistics, removing clubs he played and adding some content that is probably not notable. Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 01:08, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Three footballers at this disambig, all with 3 different ways of disambiguating. I'd suggest we go for year of birth? Giant Snowman 14:51, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
I've been doing some work on Hoddle's article, collection sources etc. His birth year, Soccerbase has 1957, Telegraph has 1958, I would consider Telegraph more reliable, just wanted to check with other people for sources and which is better to go with. Govvy ( talk) 15:27, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW close. Consider a move to WikiProject Association football if the current name is considered ambiguous. ( closed by non-admin page mover) feminist ( talk) 07:17, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Football → Wikipedia:WikiProject Soccer – the sport is soccer, not football. SportsFan007 ( talk) 02:20, 31 October 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007
@ Matthew hk, Mattythewhite, and SportingFlyer: NFL is football, FIFA is soccer. and it is NOT "patently false", and it is extremely rude to call is ridiculous. SportsFan007 ( talk) 02:35, 31 October 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007
you can't just say no without giving a reason. SportsFan007 ( talk) 02:55, 31 October 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007
Where do I go to request a sepearate wikiproject page? SportsFan007 ( talk) 03:05, 31 October 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
...to point out a falsehood in the final comment. The "rest of the world" does NOT call it football! I am not American, and I call it soccer. HiLo48 ( talk) 08:03, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
WP:DROPTHESTICK. Not *this* debate per se, but this has been done to death (and beyond) many times. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 09:44, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
Currently there is inconsistency in naming football clubs. For example, check Category:Football clubs in India. For Football Club, some articles use acronym with dots, while others use it in plain form. --Let There Be Sunshine 17:46, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi all, there is a discussion happening at Talk:FC Cincinnati#Splitting article? that potentially has broader impact on other American soccer teams' articles. FC Cincinnati is moving up from United Soccer League (USL) to Major League Soccer (MLS) beginning with the 2019 season. The discussion is about whether the USL team and the MLS team should be covered in one comprehensive article, or in two separate articles. More community input and perspectives would be appreciated to help the discussion move along. Thanks, IagoQnsi ( talk) 01:53, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
See also:
Looks like the other clubs which have moved up have never even considered a merge, but there is also Talk:Montreal_Impact_(1992–2011)#Proposed_article_moves. SportingFlyer talk 23:00, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
I’m sorry I started that whole Soccer vs. Football thing, it was poor judgement on my part. SportsFan007 ( talk) 12:47, 31 October 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007
Apology accepted. No idea why @ Hhkohh: thought to raise ANI issue when SportsFan007 apologised here and at my talk page? Everybody drop it and move in. Giant Snowman 08:31, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Too bad the bot had archive the thread.
So, the WP:RM at main article had been closed (stick to Eswatini). Hope people don't go to Move Review. Thus those need to be moved under this project
However, i am not sure did they discussed the demonym form, thus leave those as it:
Matthew hk ( talk) 05:54, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Now, I have absolutely no technical ability so to make a template for presidents of PSG I borrowed the code from the managers template and changed the title. However, it still says "Paris Saint-Germain F.C. managers". Is anyone smart enough to sort this out? Thanks in advance. Harambe Walks ( talk) 01:39, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
|name=
only specify the template title (similar to the
WP:article title).
Matthew hk (
talk) 06:19, 4 November 2018 (UTC)I did a load of edits to the page to slim line a bit as it's near exactly the same history as on History of Portsmouth F.C. Trying to bring it in line with our MoS, applying WP:Overlink rules, filling in bares refs. But this IP just keeps reverting what I do now. Some help please... Govvy ( talk) 11:07, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
Is it me or is soccerbase becoming less reliable? Govvy ( talk) 14:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Please have a look at the screenshot, I just wanted to point out that for laptop screens, that capacity information is completely unreadable and stadiums in the list is covered also. I have no idea how to fix it. Maybe someone can fix it. Govvy ( talk) 16:07, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
That's better, it's fixed on my browser now from the changes. Govvy ( talk) 13:07, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone know if caps were still officially awarded for the abandoned Serbia v Albania (UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying) match in 2014. The RSSSF and NFT do not seem to state that FIFA have not counted the match in players' totals. Kosack ( talk) 06:44, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Parklands cobbler ( talk · contribs) is again adding full matchday squads for each game during the season ( here). After removing them, he told me to "plz go away" and readded them. Those should not be included or? That's just too much. Kante4 ( talk) 20:01, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Ok I'll get rid of the numbers at the top but keep doing it, thats the info I'll take from this chat. thanks.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Parklands cobbler ( talk • contribs) 09:26, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Excessive listings of unexplained statistics. The statistics are in context and placed in a table as suggested
accordingly, statistics should be placed in tables to enhance readability.
@ Parklands cobbler: there is clear consensus here that such tables should not be included. I have therefore removed it again. If you re-add it you will be blocked for disruptive editing. Giant Snowman 10:04, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
This is a vendetta by Kante4 who is as has been mentioned is being really pedantic. Ilikeeatingwaffles has stated to sort the problem out which I will endevour to work out. Jts1882 & SportingFlyer don't agree with removal on WP:NOT STATS etc as they are quite clearly stats. So I really don't see a problem.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Parklands cobbler ( talk • contribs) 10:24, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
I've created {{ FIFA World Rankings}}, {{ World Football Elo Ratings}} and {{ FIFA Women's World Rankings}} to help facilitate the update of national team rankings. This should allow for all the rankings to be updated in a matter of minutes instead of changing individual articles, also ensuring pages don't become outdated. Additionally, all the rankings are now properly sourced. I've added documentation that should explain the templates well, let me know if anything is unclear. S.A. Julio ( talk) 07:45, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
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I've gone ahead and made a fully functional version of the module for the sports rankings, using the sandbox templates mentioned above. I've added an alias for the FIFA codes to make updates easier. As the data is in place, I've also created a template for making tables from the rankings ({{ Sports rankings table}}). This means the table in the FIFA World Rankings article page and the individual rankings in infoboxes can all be updated in one place. I've updated the FIBA ranking as well. Jts1882 | talk 17:49, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
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{{#invoke|SportsRankings|DATA_SUBPAGE|list}}
would use data in
Module:SportsRankings/data/DATA_SUBPAGE, with the data subpage set to UEFA Coefficient Rankings. The current functions handle all the rankings the same way, but the advantage of a module is that customisation of different rankings is possible.
Jts1882 |
talk 08:26, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
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References
Going through the " unreferenced" articles for the WikiProject, I noticed Allan Morrison. Is he notable under WP:NSPORTS or WP:GNG? Hack ( talk) 14:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
I've sorted out the Morrison article. Giant Snowman 14:17, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Does this guy pass WP:NFOOTBALL or not? Govvy ( talk) 17:59, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
In Odisseas Vlachodimos article, should we write "Odisseas" or "Odysseas"? Since some people started changing his first name to "Odysseas", I added "also known as Odysseas" to the lead. Apparently, it didn't help much. Please give your input at the talk page. SLBedit ( talk) 20:43, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Also, Vlachodimos represented Germany at youth level, but now he's eligible to represent Greece. So I changed the lead to "is a Greek footballer". Is it okay? SLBedit ( talk) 20:47, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Please, move the title to S.S. Lazio Calcio Femminile (as before) and create a new page for S.S. Lazio Women 2015. They are two different clubs, that play in different leagues.-- 79.36.72.222 ( talk) 18:27, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm trying to decide if Draft:Zdenek Bezdek satisfies WP:FOOTY. It appears that he has played at least one game for FC Baník Ostrava, but I can't tell if this site is a reliable source. Could someone who understands Czech check? Clarityfiend ( talk) 07:00, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
Hello everybody,
Sorry for my bad English.
On the
Germany team article, on the lead section, there is this sentence:
After winning the 2017 Confederations Cup, it became one of the only four nations—alongside Brazil, Argentina and France—to win all three most important men's titles recognised by FIFA: the World Cup, the Confederations Cup, and the Olympic tournament. They have also won their respective continental championship (Copa América for Argentina and Brazil, and UEFA European Championship for France and Germany). with two sources.
But there are many problems with this sentence :
Despite all this elements, an contributor has reverted the deletion of this sentence on 16 October and doesn't want revert his revert. Since three weeks, I try to convince this contributor. This contributor doesn't see the problems et doesn't accept the sources ( Wikipedia:Five pillars) et his only argument is that it isn't his opinion despite other contributor with similar contribution than me (@ Wildboy7: agrees with me: cf. [5]).
I want your support for remove this sentence but keeping the sources that are useful for the precedent sentence.
GabrieL ( talk) 16:56, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi, which is the preferred option between the two in the case one’s name is already taken by another article on Wikipedia?
“Felix Michel (footballer)” or “George Felix Michel” (his full name).
He is commonly called “Felix Michel”, but his full name is George Felix Michel, should that be the article name or should we stick to what it’s called now (“Felix Michel (footballer))? Nehme1499 ( talk) 23:52, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi, this may have been already discussed but what is the standard for the nationality of people with multiple citizenships in the lead?
For example, Alexander Michel and Felix Michel have just been called up to the Lebanon national football team thanks to their Lebanese origins. They have however lived all their lives in Sweden and, other than having a Lebanese grandfather, are completely Swedish. Is the correct lead "...is a Swedish footballer of Lebanese descent who plays for..." (current), "...is a Lebanese footballer who plays for..." (because of the national team they play for), "...is a Swedish-Lebanese footballer who plays for..." (therefore considering both citizenships equally) or other?
Thanks for your time. Nehme1499 ( talk) 21:55, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
In the case of the two players mentioned here, they have both acquired Lebanese citizenship due to their origins while maintaining their previous Swedish nationality, making them both Swedish and Lebanese. I have updated both their leads with “is a professional football player who plays for...” and added an explanation about their nationalities under the header. Nehme1499 ( talk) 08:19, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
The correct names of some Turkish clubs are "Galatasaray SK", "Fenerbahçe SK", "Beşiktaş JK", "İstanbul Başakşehir FK" - without dots for SK, JK, FK. All of these clubs use these names in their local and foreign official websites and social media presences as such, without the dots. To further support this, you cannot have a Turkish name or acronym with dots in it, as this is explicitly stated by the Turkish Language Association.
If we are changing names for consistency in English, how about we just change Başakşehir F.K. (futbol kulübü = football club) to Başakşehir F.C. then? It doesn't make sense. There's no point in trying to alter these foreign names to match English naming norms or consistency. I would say accuracy is more important, so trying to anglicise the writing of these names doesn't help. Junk2711 ( talk) 19:43, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Despite there being no consensus here, Junk2711 has started a handful of RMs, referring back to this discussion as a rationale, as well as moving another one. The discussions are here, here, here and here. Cheers, Number 5 7 12:18, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Currently Hole (association football) is a redirect to Playmaker. There is, however, no mention of 'hole' that I can see at Playmaker. Is there a more sensible place for that redirect to point to? Or, should some mention of 'hole' be added to Playmaker? Or or, should the page have content in its own right, rather than redirecting elsewhere? I honestly have no idea, as I know very little about football. Cnilep ( talk) 03:54, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Would someone like to join the discussion about the appropriate lineage of the East Germany Mens National Team and West Germany Mens National Team history in relation to the Germany Mens National Team on Talk:Germany national football team? Walter Görlitz ( talk) 06:13, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Should this page be on Barawa national football team and the redirect the other way around or not? Govvy ( talk) 12:04, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
There is a proposal to change Wikipedia's Manual of Style to bar the use of YYYY-YY in articles and titles if ending in -01, -02 etc up to -12 ("unless in close proximity to other ranges in this format that end with numbers outside the 01–12 range"), as "anything ending in "-01" through "-12" ... is routinely misread as YYYY-MM."
Titles such as "
2008–09 Premier League" would not be permitted ("
2008–2009 Premier League" would be required) but "
2018–19 Premier League" would still be allowed. The discussion is at
Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Clarifying date ranges in YYYY–YY format.
92.19.28.168 (
talk) 16:22, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
I am wondering whether the above article is now more about the scandal than it is about the song. If it is, and the addition of material that Big Jock cannot possibly have known about as it is too recent may suggest so, should the title be changed to reflect this? Britmax ( talk) 18:36, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi everyone. In the page A.S. Roma there is the old logo (used between 2013 and 2017) and not the new one: could anyone upload the 2017 logo?-- Luca•M 09:14, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Is anyone able to find any other obituary for Roger Hoy besides the Spurs one? Govvy ( talk) 12:23, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. -- Izno Repeat ( talk) 21:32, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
I see that there is currently no article on Simon Hooper who is now a Select Group referee. It appears that there was an article, but this was deleted on 11 October 2018. Can this article be reinstated? Thanks. Daemonickangaroo2018 ( talk) 08:35, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm actually renaming Category:Divisiones regionales de fútbol players, Category:Divisiones regionales de fútbol and Category:Divisiones Regionales navigational boxes to Category:Divisiones Regionales de Fútbol players, Category:Divisiones Regionales de Fútbol and Category:Divisiones Regionales de Fútbol navigational boxes, to match up with the article name ( Divisiones Regionales de Fútbol). But somehow @ BrownHairedGirl and @ Timrollpickering think this approach is incorrect and are reverting me by saying that I "gathered no consensus", since the category were created by other users back in the day and were all "abandoned". Some templates belonging to Category:Divisiones Regionales de Fútbol navigational boxes (or Category:Divisiones Regionales navigational boxes - I don't know anymore, since BHG is reverting everything) were not updated since the 2012-13 season.
A great example is Template:Preferente de Madrid. She reverted all my edits where I was updating the templates! Blind WP:HOUND I think it is.
Can you guys give some inputs on what you think it's the correct name of the cats, please? MYS 77 ✉ 18:57, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
There are Category:CS Hammam-Lif and Category:Club Sportif de Hammam-Lif that should be merged, I guess. -- Superchilum( talk to me!) 08:19, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Hey all, there's a discussion going on at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FC Cincinnati (MLS) that is relevant to soccer in the U.S. at large, so I thought I'd post it here. Cheers, IagoQnsi ( talk) 00:40, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
I didn't know we had this article, but I think a few trolls, sock puppets have been editing the article so I am not sure what's fake, correct etc. Might need reviewing, Govvy ( talk) 18:34, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone think an article based on the history of British and Irish players abroad would be notable subject to write about ? Dwanyewest ( talk) 11:23, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
I think it'd be interesting - focus on notable aspects of it, eg the notorious reluctance of the Br players to learn languages, until Lineker broke that mould, or settle into the culture, see Luther Blissett for his comments on Rice Crispies. -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 12:16, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
I've noticed that the new Celta de Vigo manager,
Miguel Cardoso, has his article named as Miguel Cardoso (football coach)
, while
Ricardo Rodríguez (a former Girona manager), has his article named as Ricardo Rodríguez (football manager)
. Both naming conventions are correct or should we move one of them?
MYS
77
✉ 13:44, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
I have opened a discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 November 18#The hole (football) regarding five titles with Hole or The hole, redirecting to either Forward (association football) or Playmaker. Comments are welcomed from contributors to this WikiProject. Cnilep ( talk) 03:01, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi,
Can someone help me out on creating the proper kits for the infobox of the Lebanon national football team? I would have no problem in doing it myself but I have zero knowledge on how to create and upload the correct templates.
Thanks for your help. Nehme1499 ( talk) 11:36, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Terrell Miller did not play for Brentford, Northwood (loan) or Carshalton Athletic (loan). He has been confused with Tyrell Miller-Rodney, who played for Brentford's youth and development teams between 2011 and 2015. [1] [2]. Refs for Miller Rodney's Northwood and Carshalton Athletic loans are here and here. For his joining and leaving Brentford, see here and here. I believe the cause is that [10] has been used as a source for Terrell Miller's career. Beatpoet ( talk) 17:50, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
References
While doing NPP, I came across USL Chicago. This article had existed for a while but was then redirected. I did a quick archive search to see if this topic of future USL teams had been discussed before and didn't find a discussion. At what point would a new USL team be notable? Upon annoucement? Sometime closer to start of play? I don't know enough about the USL to have a good sense on this topic. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 16:46, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi. As part of my ongoing work to create biographies on Olympians, I've now created a stub for all the missing footballers. If you're intrested, you can find the full list here. I went the squad lists for each Olympics ( example), and completed the red links for those with biographies on Sports Reference. The caveat is that I've not gone through every single existing blue link to ensure it's the right person, but if you spot anyone who is missing, I'm more than happy to create a stub for them (drop a note on my talkpage). Likewise, if I've created a stub and the subject already exists (different spelling, etc), then I've no problem if you want to merge/redirect to the earlier article. Or, if you prefer, drop me a note and I'll do the work on that too.
Now football is my least favourite sport (please put your pitchforks down), and as a result, I know next to nothing about individuals and teams. So any questions about confusion between two players are probably best left to this talkpage, and not mine! And lastly, thanks to @ GiantSnowman: for some early guidance. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:17, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Players who have played in, and managers who have managed in:
- any Tier 1 International Match, as defined by FIFA,
- a competitive senior international match at confederation level regardless of whether or not the teams are members of FIFA, or
- the Olympic Games.
This is more of a ping to editors who want to help out bringing the article up to a respectable standard. Govvy ( talk) 19:48, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
My feeling is it doesn't meet WP:FOOTYN as it's a youth league so not the highest league in the country (that being New Zealand Football Championship for men). I nominated it for deletion but Quazarrr who wrote the article removed it as it would be top league only it's top for youth. It doesn't meet WP:N either so feels like it should be deleted but I'm not clear on it so came here. NZFC (talk) (cont) 08:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi all, I recently saw
Danielmordor (
talk ·
contribs) re-order the
Luxembourg national football team (and other) current squad to be sorted by number of caps. I originally put it in following the order of the press release both by local press and the local FA - alphabetical - and this appears to be the standard across the various FAs and their press releases. Looking at the
Manual of Style for national teams, I don't see anything noted about ordering criteria here, so I'm wondering if there is already a consensus for this, or if one needs to be decided? Cheers, --
Philk84
15:56, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
There has been a discussion on this topic previously, but it doesn't appear that any consensus was reached. I think it would be useful for us to try to reach a consensus.
Currently, per the notability guidelines, a player is only notable if they play against another fully professional league side. This leads to the absurdity that if John Doe starts for Manchester United and scores a hat-trick against Wrexham (top of the 5th tier) in the FA Cup, he is not notable. However, if he comes off the bench in the 93rd minute against Macclesfield Town (bottom of the 4th tier), he is. Even within competitions this causes issues. Josh Key played an EFL Trophy fixture for a professional football league side ( Exeter City), and thus meets notability criteria. Meanwhile, James Dodd played an EFL Trophy fixture for a professional football league side ( Exeter City), but fails to meet notability criteria, as he played in a fixture against West Ham United Academy (who for the uninitiated compete alongside senior clubs in this competition). It is worth noting that the local paper list Dodd as having been 'handed his City debut' in this match - the opposition was not a concern. The same is true on the club website: "James made his first team debut for City as a second-half substitute in the club's 2-0 win over West Ham United under-21s in the 2018/19 Checkatrade.com Trophy."
It seems to me that this is an oversight in the notability criteria that ought to be corrected. A player is notable due to them making their professional debut for a professional side in a competitive fixture. The opposition in that fixture is a footnote, not the point from which notability stems. Domeditrix ( talk) 16:10, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
On making some edits regarding Raith Rovers players in the McCrae's Battalion article, I noticed that the listing of James Logan linked to the wrong player. The player in question is team captain James H. Logan (the "H" being given as Henry in some references to him), not, apparently, the same individual as Jimmy Logan (footballer) (James Merrilees Logan) or James Logan (defender, born 1885) (James Lochhead Logan, who coincidentally later managed RRFC). Logan is the only one of the Rovers players not to have a linked article, particularly puzzling as he was the captain and the only info I can find regarding him is of him simply in various lists of his comrades. I'm not particularly au fait with using football resources and wondered if anyone here could unearth material with which to create an article. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 17:48, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Captain was his final rank in the army. You can use the Dundee Evening Telegraph article for this as well. Cattivi ( talk) 11:54, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
I've started expanding James Logan (forward, born 1885) from the sources supplied by everyone here and have tagged it as {{ under construction}}. Mainly as an excuse for leaving unsourced stuff in temporarily. Please feel free to join in. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 12:32, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
I think the reference in the Fife Free Press here to Logan being team captain may well be doubtful, quite possibly confusion with his army rank and particularly as it is not repeated in this article, already mentioned above, of only two days later.
A bit of a tangent but a related one: it dawned on me that the James W.M. Gourlay noted to be standing on the right of the photograph in these newspaper articles and in the same shot in the war memorial at Starks Park, (in Commons here: [13]) is in a distinctly different uniform and is not noted in the newspaper articles as being among the seven Raith players who joined McCrae's battalion, all of whom are listed in the corresponding wikipedia article on the unit. Gourlay's uniform and cap badge appear to be that of the Fife and Forfar Yeomanry, which would seem to match him with this Imperial War Museum listing. The photograph in the latter article apparently shows him wearing a football jersey. Was he another Raith player, hence his inclusion in the photograph or is that inclusion an aberrration or have another significance? With the great work you've all done regarding Logan, I'm hopeful somebody can turn up the answer. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 01:15, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Now that we have a month of birth for James H. Logan, I'd suggest renaming James Logan (forward, born 1885) and James Logan (defender, born 1885) to use birth month rather than playing position to disambiguate. Neither man played predominantly in the chosen playing position used: both played mainly in the half back line. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 12:42, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
I have tried bringing this subject up multiple times without any responses. I wish to know for the men's national football team should there be a subsection of the teams national playing style. I feel that is notable as there are many third person sources criticising as one the reasons for its lack of success. Dwanyewest ( talk) 11:30, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
[14]
[15]
[16]
[17]
[18] These surely are good sources
Lee Vilenski (
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contribs) but I fear if I used them they will be reverted like the previous time.
Dwanyewest (
talk) 10:57, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
It seem there is a wide spread issue of "X is a Kosovar Albanian footballer " in lede of the articles, which the issue differ from "Israeli Arab footballer".
Would any people have a watch on those articles , removing the wording "Albanian" ? Matthew hk ( talk) 15:59, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
ChrisTheDude Here is the revert diff:
Special:Diff/869972795 and
Special:Diff/869973246.
Matthew hk (
talk) 15:35, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
I am referring to a Panathinaikos's player in Greek Super League /info/en/?search=Anastasios_Chatzigiovannis Chatzigiovanis is with one n, not with double n As I see, in the text of the entry, the name has been written correctly, but the title is wrong May someone delete the double n from the title of the page? Thanks Tonyathens1988 ( talk) 10:21, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Can someone please protect this article from vandalism as an IP keeps changing it to add an extra match and win to Manchester United's results. I am already guilty of edit warring. Daemonickangaroo2018 ( talk) 09:46, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Robert Buchanan was a Scottish footballer who played for Chelsea, Southend and Gillingham. His date of birth does not seem to be known. How best to differentiate him from Robert Buchanan (footballer), who was also Scottish....? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 20:17, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion on Golden point as to which name of football should be used. The link is here. The C of E God Save the Queen! ( talk) 09:16, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Recently I've seen a lot of edits like this: [20]. Is this really needed and why? Don't we have wikidata for this? Just a few years ago we were getting rid of persondata, and now this? -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 10:14, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Paco Alcácer was on a season-long transfer from Barcalona to Borussia Dortmund. Today, the latter club arranged to make it a transfer. So how does that appear in the infobox? Do we reflect the four-month transfer (and its associated stats) as club5 and the post singing to club6 or do we change the club5 entry to drop the transfer so that the player's stats with Dortmund appear on one row (because you know that's going to cause confusion, inaccuracies and edit wars)? I went with the latter option, but recognize that I could be wrong. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 16:42, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Template:FC Prishtina squad is the result of what happends when fans take control over things and make terrible changes thinking that way they are making their club look better. What shall we do? The template was initially made by Sadsadas and looked fine ( here), but editors turned it into a mess. Should we return it to its initial form, or delete, or, what you all think? I don´t want to do anything bold without consulting you guys. FkpCascais ( talk) 17:43, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi,
I was wondering is there was a standard order for the various sections of the national teams as I can't seem to find any consistency throughout the different articles. By sections I mean "History", "Team image", "Venues", "Competitive record", "Coaching staff", "Results and fixtures", "Players", "Records", ecc...
Thanks, Nehme1499 ( talk) 09:38, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
There's an IP editor [21] (previously [22]) who endlessly adds and modifies list of tournamets brodcasters. -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 10:33, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
I added a little to Paco Alcácer today including a subheading for his loan from Valencia to Getafe and one for going back. This was removed by Quite A Character in his edit reviews. I have no interest in any kind of battle over this in particular or generally but just wanted to be sure, I'm not saying I think I am right but couldn't confirm I was wrong either (QAC had his usual cartoon-hysterics way of pointing out this error in the summary ("AGAIN? No sub-sub-sub-sub-sections!"), no issues with that or any of the other tidy-ups but just a bit doubtful of that rule itself. I have had a quick look at templates but couldn't find anything obvious in terms of MOS for how deep the subheadings should go. We have to start at 2 ==s for the Career anyway, then 3 ===s for each permanent club. My understanding(?) was that any loan of a significant length, or each season for really wordy articles, should get its own subsection. That takes it to 4 =====s, which is the level the Alcácer Getafe loan was at. To me that's not excessive or unusual to see on articles, and broke up what was a fairly big (not huge, but sizable) Valencia section. In fact the only image in that section is of him playing for Getafe. It's beside the text for the loan spell, but still possibly more confusing that the loan having its own section within the Valencia bit, IMO. But if 4-level section headings are to be avoided wherever possible on Biographies or on everything, fair enough and I will do so. (I realise 5 =====s is too far btw, for one thing the text would almost be as small as the body text itself!) If someone could advise or point to a previous discussion for future reference, that would be grand. Crowsus ( talk) 01:18, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
If you notice, i not only reverted your sub-section outline and/or engaged in hysterics, but i arranged refs you added and added another reference for his Getafe overall spell, which was not there. However, if the vast majority of the fellow users side with you on this one (i have a hunch they will, not meaning to disrespectful or anything) don't worry as i will cease to edit there as i have other articles (i.e. Javi Martínez which is now full of season-by-season sub-sections in the club career, and needless (just my opinion) infobox/statistical chart repetitions in storyline with the habitual BDFUTBOL/SOCCERWAY/etc refs (why have a box and a statistical chart when you are going to write/source that in storyline, saying over and over again "Mr. Martínez/Alcácer finished the X season with Y goals from appearances?). No worries from me giving up on this or that article forever if need be, don't want to be a nuisance to anyone (both Martínez and Alcácer are articles i improved dramatically from day one, but alas).
Attentively, sorry for any inconvenience (especially to Crowsus) -- Quite A Character ( talk) 04:26, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
ONE LINE just to say where he was born? I see (what i also see is that even some GOOD articles don't have that season-by-season and loan division - OK maybe the loans, but not the season-by-season)... I have to accept that display if that's the majority, but still had another go (replacing size of dashes and separating the paragraphs, as now sub-sub-sub-sections are now often only ONE paragraph, also relocated place of birth into start of club career as i have often seen without any problems, no need for that one-liner), sorry for the inconvenience again. -- Quite A Character ( talk) 18:15, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
This article has been in the subject of a two-way disagreement on as to why there should be the "F.C." there or not between User:ImprovedWikiImprovment and the two users who reverted. I've had a look at some of the other club articles (e.g. Burnley F.C., Leicester City F.C., Cardiff City F.C., Swansea City A.F.C. etc. do not have that abbreviation at the end. One more edit from the same user within the next 24 hours would be an edit war between two others but who would be correct to leave it as "Birmingham City" with the F.C. or not? Iggy ( Swan) 22:14, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
So you’re saying what I saw as consensus is because of one editor removing the "FC"? Because if so then clearly I’ve made an error (and only if). IWI ( chat) 23:05, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
|clubname=
blank, you get Clubname F.C./A.F.C. above the box.That’s irrelevant since it’s clear there isn’t enough consistency to use standards as consensus; consensus will be made here. IWI ( chat) 10:55, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Every infobox for every club in every country should display the club name as reflected in the title - so 'Birmingham City F.C.', 'Seattle Sounders FC' etc. etc. That level of consistence is neat and also matches standard infobox naming for non-football articles as well. Giant Snowman 10:57, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
|clubname={{tl|PAGENAMEBASE}}
in the infobox for
Liverpool F.C. (Montevideo), which then gives Liverpool F.C. as the caption. This is available in the title object in a module.
Jts1882 |
talk 11:28, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Talk:2018–19 UEFA Europa League#Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded.
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