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Could I get some attention paid to Dzsenifer Marozsán. An IP keeps insisting that the captain of the German women's national team is Hungarian. Thanks. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 23:41, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Can anyone take a look and detect what causes a Lua error after Soccerway link? Thanks in advance -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 13:41, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
En edit war which dates back to 2013 appears to be resurrected by User:Rebelheartous. There was some discussion at the article's talk page but most of it took place at the bg wiki talk page. In May 2016, there was a judgement call made by User:Izvora (bg wiki admin) so it appeared that the dispute has been settled. The history section of the Bulgarian article was rewritten with sources from official/authentic documents and the English version is basically a translation.
I have reverted User:Rebelheartous' edits from 16 July and politely asked him to adhere to the bg wiki discussion. He has reverted my edit without explanation and claims that en wiki is a separate entity (which is formally true) and User:GiantSnowman has resolved the dispute there by banning User:Vtd and warning User:Okalinov. These actions by User:GiantSnowman were entirely appropriate, because the edits at that time were unsourced. This is not the case now. In any event, banning a user for a particular disruptive action is not equal to resolving a dispute involving that user.
My question is, what is the proper action from now onwards? Should we go through the same discussion again on en wiki (in English), or an en wiki admin can review the decision made by his bg colleague? An administrative involvement at the WP:AN/EW seems rather harsh to me, so I am seeking advice. Yavorescu ( talk) 14:17, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
I just performed some overall adjustments in Álvaro Negredo, adding some new refs for example. In one of those moves I sourced/relocated his international goals chart, but it "came unhinged" (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=%C3%81lvaro_Negredo&diff=next&oldid=791758890). Subsequently it became better ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=%C3%81lvaro_Negredo&diff=next&oldid=792238457), but now it looks like only the last goal is sourced.
Attentively, thanks a lot in advance. -- Quite A Character ( talk) 10:36, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
MORE undue squad templates, please see Sandro Ramírez! Getting quite tiresome... -- Quite A Character ( talk) 21:43, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
I came across this stub for a Spanish coach/referee named Pablo Ferré Elías who worked in El Salvador and Chile in the 1930s and 40s. Is there anyone with any expertise in this area who might know if this could be the Pedro Pablo Ferré Elías who has been mentioned coaching Fidel Castro when he was young? [1] The details are sketchy but the one in Cuba was identified as a Catalan priest who was also a football coach and referee. The timeline seems to match. This would be an important detail if they were one in the same. Thanks! —Мандичка YO 😜 12:44, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Durneydiaz ( talk · contribs) has just been indefinitely blocked as a result of this discussion at WP:ANI. This user has created over a thousand articles mostly about South American footballers. A few articles have recently moved to draftspace for a number of reasons, including failing to cite sources and poor Spanish-English translation. It may be worth some people here having a look at these drafts as many appear to pass WP:NFOOTBALL. Hack ( talk) 04:27, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Simple question of "yes" or "no", no gray area there i believe,
Sandro Ramírez has retired from the Spanish national team (at under-21 level that is) due to his age, if he never appears for them at A level his international career is over, no?
User:Mattythewhite, with whom i agree 100%, says that when a player retires from his/her club, we remove the PC update from their infobox. Thus, to follow suit when the same happens at NT level would be to remove the corresponding parameter, a matter of simple coherence.
Attentively -- Quite A Character ( talk) 15:10, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
AGAIN, i see that there is no consensus, as an administrator (important to emphasise it here i think) sees it fit - as do i - to remove the parameter if a player is not playing at a given level, while others do not. From where i stand you win @ Davekgoodnight:, sorry to bother you enough to be called a VANDAL ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sandro_Ram%C3%ADrez&diff=792292521&oldid=792264700) that REMOVED stats ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sandro_Ram%C3%ADrez&diff=791621551&oldid=791326302)!
Thank you all for your participation -- Quite A Character ( talk) 19:06, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
I don't think User:Mattythewhite (the admin) agreed to remove the parameter. /info/en/?search=Talk:Sandro_Ram%C3%ADrez He also said the points I raised made sense at the end of discussion. Besides, I did issue a full apology to you in my talk page if there was a misunderstanding regarding the very first message so I do not know why you take the issue to this page. If you still feel offended by the message, I hereby apologize to you, sincerely. Peace. Davekgoodnight ( talk) 19:51, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Could I ask any experts on Spanish football if the pre-Liga regional championships are considered official games? It should apply across the board to all tournaments of that sort, but my specific concern relates to the Biscay Championship. The Spanish wiki has acknowledged Domingo Acedo as Athletic Bilbao's youngest player and scorer from the 1914-15 version of that tournament and given an independent source for this, however the English wiki and most sources credit Iker Muniain as having broken the club records in 2009, which is what I thought was the case as well. It is possible that the Biscay Championship isn't considered an official tournament, but it probably should be since there was no national league so it was an important concern for the clubs. The other thing is that some sources claiming Muniain to be the record holder state that he beat Agustín Gaínza - but Gainza's appearances as a 16-year-old were also in the Biscay Championship! So is it maybe just that some media overlooked Acedo altogther, and that has been recorded incorrectly on (English) Wikipedia as a result? Muniain is definitely the club record holder for La Liga and for European games, and Acedo definitely for the Copa del Rey. If anyone has additional knowledge in relation to this, please let me know. If not, the text above would also be a useful reference if/when I edit the players' articles to relfect this small change! Thanks. Crowsus ( talk) 21:21, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Noticed the 2006 world cup assists page was a total mess. Figo and Totti were joint leaders at 4 a piece, not Riquelme. I edited the template but I am not sure what other clean up has to be done.
Does anyone know what purpose the templates in Category:Fb team templates England serve? All they do is generate wikilinked club names, which can be easily typed out without need for a template. Mattythewhite ( talk) 21:34, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
I recently cleaned up heavy vandalism on the article 1998 FIFA World Cup qualification that had been going on for months. Is there anyone available to check this article and any other article like this for further inaccuracy and vandalism? Thanks! jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) ( talk) 21:48, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi, for the benefit of Chelsdog, please can we reiterate consensus on how separate loan spells should be listed in the infobox. See Jay Dasilva to understand where I am coming from. Thanks, LTFC 95 ( talk) 18:41, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Since May of last year, Akocsg ( talk · contribs) has consistently been trying to insert various regional and invitational games to the honours section of the Fenerbahce-Galatasaray rivalry and Besiktas-Fenerbahce rivalry pages. This is what each section looked like before and after, for Fener-Gala [2] [3] and for Fener-Besiktas [4] [5]. The awards added included an invitational tournament played four times in 50 years on an irregular basis, a part of a former regional tournament played only between the three clubs in question, and a cup that was played as a consolation game between the losers of the Turkish Cup and runners up of the league. The editor's argument is that since the clubs technically played each other in these games, they are a part of the rivalry and should be included. However, my view is that they arent actual trophies to list in honours counts in these articles, and when you look at the consensus for the rest of these rivalry articles, they do not include similar tournaments. Man Utd-Liverpool's rivalry page doesnt include the Lancashire Senior Cup or the International Champions Cup since they are regional and invitational games despite the clubs having faced off in them which would technically make them 'part of the rivalry'. And Arsenal-Chelsea's page doesnt include the London Challenge Cup for example even though both teams played in it. Talkpage discussions between us have reached a bit of a standstill due to the differences in views so could anyone help out and explain who is in the right here? Davefelmer ( talk) 19:57, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
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Wikipedia is a great place for finding out how to properly refer to a club. Most of the times, however, the club's full name is much too long to be used in writing. Therefore the opening paragraph of most good club articles includes common way(s) of referring to the club, if you don't want to use the full name.
I have noticed that, for some reason, articles about English clubs often only state the club's full name in the opening paragraph, omitting other ways in which the club is most commonly referred to.
Therefore I recently started adding these most common shorter names to the articles for some Premier League clubs, but I suspect I will get some reversions (have already got one), so instead of getting into multiple edit wars about this, I thought I'd bring up the subject here for debate. If I can get a consensus for my view on this I could refer to this discussion when editing.
A user who reverted my edit on Arsenal F.C. argued that my edit was "[n]ot really necessary because most clubs have 'Football Club' chopped off in common usage". I agree that for people who are knowledgeable about English football this is obvious, but Wikipedia articles should be written also for people who have no knowledge about naming traditions in English football.
I realize opening paragraphs are to be kept short and clean, so only the most commonly used short name(s) should be included there (and not lots of obscure club nicknames), but why omit these short forms altogether? Most times the shorter name is more commonly used than the club's full name, so it's weird to leave it out in an encyclopedic article.
I might not have covered all arguments for and against, so I'm looking forward to hearing any thoughts other users might have on this subject. Aikclaes ( talk) 07:18, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
A user reverted my edit on the New York Red Bulls, where I had added AKA "the Red Bulls". The short form "Red Bulls" is how the club is referred to throughout the article, so I don't see why it shouldn't be mentioned in the opening sentence. This is an encyclopedia, not a magazine article. Why leave this info out? For someone who isn't well read on the MLS, or even football, it is useful to know how the club is commonly referred to. What are these people meant to do? Read the whole article and keep score of what ways the club is referred to? Google media articles? Check the club's own website? This info should be readily available in a decent encyclopedia, as I propose: in a subordinate clause in the opening paragraph. I honestly don't see why some editors are so against it. Aikclaes ( talk) 14:01, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I cannot see any recent agreement to switch over to using {{ fs_player2}} from {{ fs_player}} which leaves us with a much longer squad list in articles and reorders the columns. Has there been any such recent agreement? Changes such as this is what brought up the question. Keith D ( talk) 13:07, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
How do I submit an article for peer review? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alitheboss55 ( talk • contribs) 14:36, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
This time, I do not come here to discuss runner-ups "yes" or "no" as I've grown tired of the lack of consensus, I choose yes (with refs of course) and that's the way I will edit.
However, there is a consensus not to add numbers to the section, is there not? User:Davefelmer added them in Gorka Iraizoz, calling the display of said department a MESS when played has only 5/6 accolades in his "cabinet".
Attentively (note: even though I highlighted his name here, said fellow user has been notified of this thread) -- Quite A Character ( talk) 13:43, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
There is a proposal for the Women's football taskforce to become a separate WikiProject, seemingly primarily aimed at amending the notability criteria for female footballers. Comments welcome here. Cheers, Number 5 7 08:05, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
The following is a c&p of what's been left on my user talk page. Please tell us again how WP:FOOTY serves editors working on articles related to women's football. Input is being requested here. Hmlarson ( talk) 00:51, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Could you explain to me why you added the text including "9-time winners and 4-time runners-up in the 15 editions of the UEFA Women's Champions League"
for the Frauen-Bundesliga entry at
WP:FPL? I don't really see the relevance to the subject of the list.
Sir Sputnik (
talk) 18:46, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Hello. Can a willing editor please review the edit requests over at three different articles?
Thanks! jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) ( talk) 23:50, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
Please see talk page for multiple issue need to be discussed. Matthew_hk t c 07:31, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
I am not familiar the code, how to remove the usage of template:Fb team XYZ in the table? Matthew_hk t c 15:14, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Can someone with rollback please resolve the bile that has appeared on the article, and maybe consider a parge protection until his future is resolved? Crowsus ( talk) 11:24, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm just having a look at Category:Footballers in England by club and I've noticed there's a hell of a lot of categories with only one member. Does anyone know of any Wikipedia policy that says categories should have a minimum number of members? – Pee Jay 11:16, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Are those "MNZ" leagues, which are Slovenian 4th and 5th level divisions and are found in the following categories ( 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018) notable, or should they be mass deleted? Snowflake91 ( talk) 17:38, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
I know that notability for players in the English game currently goes with the general rule that players must have played in the Football League, but I was wondering whether this was fair on some Victoria era players who played before the League was formed.
Would it be possible to change the notability guidelines to recognise the FA Cup as the senior competition in England before 1889?
There are many players who played in FA Cup finals who, under the current guidelines, would not be deemed notable, yet there are hundreds of articles concerning players who have played in less than a handful of lower division Football League games.
Kivo ( talk) 11:35, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Just added some more refs to this player's article. However, i cannot make anything of the stuff present in source #3, why those odd italics even in the date and accessdate fields? Can someone fix it, please?
Attentively, many thanks in advance -- Quite A Character ( talk) 15:56, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Could an Admin please restore Matt O'Riley, he made his Fulham debut in the EFL Cup tonight. Thanks, JMHamo ( talk) 22:51, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Mauritania changed its flag last Sunday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.249.73.206 ( talk) 16:59, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
I would like some clarification regarding naming conventions for clubs that have changed their names during the course of a club's history. This is a relatively common practice in Major League Soccer, and I have noticed that for most players the name used in the infobox is the one used during a player's stay. The specific example I have is Kei Kamara, who played for Columbus Crew SC both when it was called "Columbus Crew SC" and when it was called "Columbus Crew." The same is true for teams such as FC Dallas rather than Dallas Burn, Sporting Kansas City rather than Kansas City Wizards, and San Jose Earthquakes rather than San Jose Clash, just for a few examples.
I do not want to get into an edit war about this. I believe that the page should accurately reflect the time period the player played at the club, and the proper name at the time. See the edits on Gastón Sauro's page for what I'm talking about. I don't consider the edits unconstructive, especially since this isn't a matter of "compressing" the team's name. This is a matter of using the correct name and not an older out-of-date name. Is there some guideline that I have missed in this regard? Jay eyem ( talk) 20:15, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
I was wondering why we don't put the full address and postcode in the infoboxes on stadium pages, shouldn't we be doing that? Govvy ( talk) 23:11, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
These two clubs are de iure different sides according to this Lega Nazionale Dilettanti (Italy women's football governing body) document (Juventus women has matricola 947228). Also, its name will be "Juventus Women Football Club" according the club's website.-- 181.67.58.83 ( talk) 23:55, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Please could an admin protect Andre Gray, the article is subject to continuing disruptive editing and vandalism. Many thanks. LTFC 95 ( talk) 12:33, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Is this footballer notable? 77.130.193.21 ( talk) 04:00, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry to bring this up again, but I am trying to avoid an edit war. I've already been threatened by some user that I assume is an admin ( GiantSnowman) of having editing privileges revoked, despite having addressed this issue under the "Clarification for Club Names in Infobox" section on this very page. He referenced me to Wikipedia:Piped link and Wikipedia:Other stuff exists, and given the argument that I made I don't believe that this is a violation. I don't want my editing privileges revoked for something that appears to be a consensus on this page. Will someone else please address this? Jay eyem ( talk) 17:03, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
I have started a conversation for the naming convention for how Columbus Crew SC should be referred to in infoboxes and articles for players 2015 onward at Talk:Columbus Crew SC. I would appreciate any input from this community regarding what the consensus should be. Jay eyem ( talk) 19:14, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Yay or nay? I say nay (and I'm sure we've had consensus on this on the past), they are WP:OR and WP:NOTSTATS. Giant Snowman 17:09, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
There is a dispute concerning whether these templates should be used at Talk:2018 FIFA World Cup qualification – CAF Third Round. If there are any interested editors, please come by and provide input. Thank you. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) ( talk) 05:19, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
Hello. I'd like to request assistance at the LA Galaxy article, for various IPs, possibly a hopper, is persistently changing numbers of players without valid sources. Page is already on pending changes for this reason, and I want to wait a week from today to resubmit a request for protection. When I submitted yesterday, my request got declined for collateral damage. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) ( talk) 23:44, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
I have never known Vicente to be known as anything other than Vicente, so surprised me to find his article is "Vicente Rodriguez". Couldn't see any prior discussion of this. It may be something to do with Vicente disambiguation page being so named, but even if the main article was "Vicente (Footballer)" it would be clearer and more appropriate? Yes / No? Koncorde ( talk) 14:15, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
I propose to remove every women's under-23 article. For example, Haiti women's national under-23 football team contains three sentences; the first two are completely nonsense. And the third one – I'm not sure. Maiō T. ( talk) 12:03, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
OK, I take back my original proposal. Eight women's under-23 national teams really exist (or existed) – USA, Germany, England, Scotland, Sweden, Finland, Norway and Switzerland; they played on the Nordic Cup between 2007 and 2009. [11] But I still support the deletion of Haiti U23 team. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haiti women's national under-23 football team. Maiō T. ( talk) 16:20, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
There is a "Football in North America" template, which works as (I assume) was intended on, for example, Football in the Dominican Republic. However, it gets messed up for the US and Canada: it links to the disambiguation page Football in the United States and then "Football in Canada" redirects to Canadian football. I think we're unable to edit the template directly because it comes from Template:North America topic? The template seems way more complicated than I can understand, and somebody posted about the issue on its talk page a couple months ago, but nobody has responded there, so I figured I'd bring it up here, though I have no clue what can be done.
One thing which doesn't fix the main issue but could help a bit (and is actually doable) would be to adjust the template title to say "association football in north america", as "football" is not specific enough for a significant chunk of the population of North America. Cleancutkid ( talk) 04:28, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
I was looking at their website regarding Gareth Bale, for some reason they have him down for winning the league cup at Spurs, but as far as I am aware he never got one, he didn't qualify for one. Also, they put him down for winning a 2016 super cup medal, but when I view the end of this youtube vid I don't see him anywhere with the rest of the squad in it. Govvy ( talk) 21:56, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
It is quite consistent that in Italian football club A.C., F.C., U.S., A.S. were used (with dots) and a primary source listed a few more commonly known short form. However, regarding C.F. as a short form of Calcio Femminile, i don't really find secondary or even primary source to support it as an universal rule for the female football clubs as part of a common name. So, should clubs in Category:Women's football clubs in Italy with C.F. suffix or prefix, should move back to Calcio Femminile.? Matthew_hk t c 16:00, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
On Alexandre Pato's page I have removed a bunch of non-notable trivia and transfer rumours in the Chelsea section which I am tired of seeing on English league player's pages.
"He turned down a move to Chinese side Tianjin Quanjian in which he would earn more than €1 million per month, as he sought a move back to Europe."
Transfer rumours are not notable.
"On 2 February, Chelsea confirmed that Pato would wear the number 11 shirt, previously worn by club legends Didier Drogba and Dennis Wise, for the remainder of the campaign."
Club legends according to whom? Why does this narrative belong in a biography?
"After a period of injury, he was first included in the first-team squad on 1 March, remaining unused in a 2–1 win at Norwich City."
Being included in the first team is not notable as has been discussed a thousand times before.
( User:Formulaonewiki) has gone ahead and reverted these changes, and I'm not interested in edit warring. Your guys thoughts? Danieletorino2 ( talk) 13:25, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
I should probably already know the answer, but I'm skeptical of the inclusion of many footballer BLPs in various categories for people of specific ancestries (e.g, Category:Argentine people of Italian descent) apparently based on nothing more than their surname. For example, I found Eduardo Filippini included in the Argentine people of Italian descent category without any sourcing (and the only sourcing I could find regarding his ancestry indicates Paraguayan, not Italian descent. There are many other examples of this, and while I understand that the surname Filippini has Italian origins, isn't is possible that surnames have been modified over the years or that there are instances where a person with such a surname might not have any Italian ancestry? Should we remove these BLPs from those categories until proper sourcing is available? Best regards. Jogurney ( talk) 19:12, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
The CNID Footballer of the Year was awarded between 1970 to 2000, and was resurrected in 2006 as the Primeira Liga Footballer of the Year. However, RSSSF list winners in the interim (2001 to 2005). It appears to be a continuation of the CNID award, but at the same time, it could be a unofficial award like the European Golden Shoe was from 1991 to 1996. What do people think about this? APM ( talk) 13:16, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Please accept my editing in Mourinho's goal statistics because i'm adding the information. Thank you very much
PS: Zidane and Ancelotti goal statitics were used too in their article, so am i wrong if i'm just to added the goal statistics?. Thank you very much if you understanding this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BPL2007 ( talk • contribs) 13:28, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
There appears to be a significant amount of vandalism by Westcrown66 at the page Matt Knowles that's apparently been going on for a couple of weeks, and I'm not entirely sure how to handle it. Could somebody please look into this? Jay eyem ( talk) 18:36, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Hello there. Please I ask you to intervene at Freddie Veseli because Im going unfortunely through an edit wat with another user about stats. format. Thank you. Eni.Sukthi.Durres ( talk) 21:42, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
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I was wondering if we could extend this template to also say something along the lines, please don't update the article until transfer is fully complete, i.e medical and work permits have been completed etc. Thoughts? Govvy ( talk) 09:46, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi all, just a quick one. Should the Personal Life section fall before or after the Career stats and Honours sections? I'm inclined to put it after so as to separate football from personal but pages seem to vary. Liam E. Bekker ( talk) 09:58, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
If a player has played for Scotland National Amateur football team do they pass Nfooty or not? I noticed User:Shaztastic adding speedy deletion to a number of the players with stub articles. Govvy ( talk) 12:13, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
May I seek the advice from the wiki community please? Simple question of 'metres' or 'centimetres', no gray area there I believe. I have a dispute over whether to use 'metres' or 'centimetres' as the 'main' height in Michael Keane's [13] inbox. An user insisted on a number of occasions that we should follow the source [14] which states 191cm and reverted the editing (from 1.91m to 191cm). I disagree I think it should be stated as 1.91m because it makes sense for teams to be uniform in their display of height for the sake of consistency. While 'metres' and 'centimetres' are the same measurement but meters has been used universally in football players' inboxes and pages. Therefore, I would say we should use 'meters' as the 'main' height instead of 'centimetres'. Cheers. Davekgoodnight ( talk) 15:44, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Does anyone else think this is necessary, given the existence of Category:Football in West Yorkshire? I was going to TfD it, but thought I'd check others' views first. Cheers, Number 5 7 11:37, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
There is (was, as i have stopped since) an edit war going on regarding this player's youth years (infobox). User:Oleola has confided they feel the information present in this newspaper article (please see here http://www.diarioinformacion.com/deportes/2012/11/16/carlitos-lopez-busca-goles-rusia/1315390.html) stems from WP and thus may not be reliable. Not sure as to why they reason like that, however, and they also encourage me as well as User:MYS77 to pay more attention to WP:VERIFY, and they are not wrong there :)
Now, for my two cents: WP:VERIFY is a site guideline that needs to be embraced, could not agree more. However, WP:BOLD is also one (of less power, but still), no? Reading this bit ("Empezó en 1998 en el Alicante, para pasar después al Hércules, conjunto en el que permaneció cuatro años. También pasó por el Torrellano, en dos etapas, con un intervalo fuera de la provincia, en el que perteneció al Murcia.", translated to "Started in 1998 in Alicante, moving then to Hércules, an outfit where he remained four years. He also spent time at Torrellano, two spells, this being interspersed with time outside the province, when he belonged to Murcia"), one can easily conclude that User:El rayo que no cesa – SPANISH like the subject – knew his stuff and embraced WP:BOLD when they, in October 2012, added the youth years that have since been removed (diff here https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Carlitos_%28Spanish_footballer%29&type=revision&diff=518196479&oldid=515888895). Again, please note that i am not saying Mr. Rayo is a reliable source (no user here is per se, i know that), i am only referring to WP:B-O-L-D, please accept my apologies if i am making a mess of this guideline in particular.
Oleola removed said youth years from the infobox and also added a new club to the section, Elche CF. However, MYS77 cleverly notes in Oleola's page, during our exchanges regarding this issue, "that Elche and Torrellano had a partnership back in that time. So if the guy is listed in Elche's website, he could be playing for Torrellano instead".
Inputs please, and again the community has my utter promise that i will not revert/remove anything from the article regarding this bit. Attentively -- Quite A Character ( talk) 02:30, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
anyone still using this template? Cleanup those tagged for years and nominate the template for deletion? Matthew_hk t c 19:28, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
According to this link ( Buffon, Messi and Ronaldo on Player of the Year shortlist), Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi, and Gianluigi Buffon have been listed as the three finalists for what is now being called the "UEFA Men's Player of the Year Award", rather than the "UEFA Best Player in Europe Award". It seems to be the same award (just with the name of the Men's award reflecting the "UEFA Best Women's Player in Europe Award"), with the same format with a top 10 being announced followed by the three finalists and the winner being announced ahead of the 2017 UEFA Super Cup, so I was wondering if the title of the page should be changed, or should a new page be made? Thoughts? Thanks! Best, Messirulez ( talk) 19:25, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
please could they see if there's anything useful in the previously deleted versions of Cohen Bramall worth merging into the page history of the new creation. thanks in advance, Struway2 ( talk) 20:48, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
What is better - 'John Smith is an English retired footballer' or 'John Smith is a retired English footballer'. I say the former as the latter implies that a player has retired from their nationality as well as their profession... Giant Snowman 17:15, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
I am creating a page for Oliver Sail as realised he doesn't have one. Not sure if you will allow the page at this stage as I'm not sure if he meets WP:FOOTY yet until he gets a start either for the All Whites or the Nix (He did play for the All Whites in a couple of friendlies and been on the bench for the Nix). Anyway, just wanted to make sure the page is on the right track for when it will be allowed, so any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks NZ Footballs Conscience (talk) 03:30, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
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I'm proposing a change to WP:NFOOTY to improve clarity. I've added continental club competitions such as Champions League per Fenix down's suggestions elsewhere: 1, 2 and made slight re-wording changes for clarity. As Fenix down also mentioned (and I agree), some changes are needed in the intro on WP:FPL for clarity, but I thought we'd start here. Hmlarson ( talk) 22:37, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Association football (soccer) figures are presumed notable if they:
Note: For the purposes of this guideline, played means having appeared in a match either in the starting line-up or coming on as a substitute. Other players must be shown to meet the wider requirements of WP:GNG.
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Accepting the comments above that the initial proposal is too generous in terms of presuming notability, could we consider the following as a potential alternative to point 2:
I have left out the OFC and CONCACAF Champion League as well as the Copa Libertadores Femina as being insufficiently notable at a global level to allow presumption of notability for partaking players at this stage.
Looking at the number and location of teams that play in the competition proper, of these competitions, it would appear that this would only presume a small number of additional players from men's leagues to be notable, as most of these clubs come from already acknowledged FPLs (and those that don't come from leagues with a decent level of professionalism anyway) but would acknowledge the growth in popularity of women's football in Europe and would look to create some level of balance in this subject specific guideline (i.e. that it is reasonable to acknowledge the same presumption of notability to the top level of women's continental club competition in Europe as it is to the Ukrainian third tier). Fenix down ( talk) 11:03, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
Hmlarson ( talk) 18:46, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
This doesn't cover non-FIFA members playing in continental championships, which is covered by NFOOTY currently, and part of the reason why it's so convoluted. I'd also like to move away from using the Tier 1 terminology explicitly. It's not a bad standard, but it's also not obvious to the uninformed reader what that actually means. I think it would be easier just to put the relevant parts of the Tier 1 requirements directly into our guideline. If we're doing bulleted lists for the continental level club competitions, might I suggest the following.
Thoughts? Sir Sputnik ( talk) 22:49, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
Not a big issue but I notice a few articles using this without borders, this makes it quite tough to view when there is many results with the same results, green, red, yellow together, anyone discussed this before? Kyndigs ( talk) 10:18, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
I've got a question regarding Sebastian Eriksson's infobox. On 22 December 2014, he signed a loan contract with IFK Göteborg that lasted until 30 June 2015. On 25 May 2015, he signed a permanent deal with club, and they stated that " From 1 July, he will be a permanent IFK Göteborg player". This is however a problem, because the Swedish transfer window opened on 15 July 2015. This creates a gap of 14 day, a gap in which Eriksson played two games. Should these two games be included in the loan spell (because the transfer window was yet to open) or in the permanent spell (because the contract hade been activated)? The latter alternative is the current one in the article. // Mattias321 (talk) 14:17, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
The page went crazy again. I already requested full protection somewhere, but need someone to write a proper wording for such transfer that pending medical. Matthew_hk t c 15:59, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Sorry to bother AGAIN, but help/mediation needed here,
i have been told to stop ABUSING article when the other users (user? M.O. seems the same, at least as far the infobox changes are concerned) link country (in this case Spain), insert ALL appearances in box instead of just league ones. Those are the most important details (the other could be that they address Mr. Balliu as a "defender" instead of a "full-back", and he cannot play as a stopper.
Can anyone reinforce this message so that these users (USER? And my next polite question is: can this be a case of sockpuppetry?) do not think i am pulling their leg (please see my message here /info/en/?search=User_talk:BrownNotorious#Iv.C3.A1n_Balliu)? Attentively -- Quite A Character ( talk) 18:57, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
The reversion has stopped, but i have received no feedback from User:BrownNotorious and User:Endritoxi (same person, along with User:LluciBOY is what remains to be seen) whatsoever, guess i am the abuser in their eyes. -- Quite A Character ( talk) 20:36, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
FIFA.com (which I usually consider to be the most reliable source) lists Alaa Abdul-Zahra as being born 22 December 1985: http://www.fifa.com/fifa-tournaments/players-coaches/people=268120/index.html. However today Iraq played Syria and the teamsheet for the game (which has FIFA's logo in the top right corner) says he was born 22 December 1987: https://s2.postimg.org/blbss15rb/21034689_1661847517221470_7400990261926644494_n.jpg. So I did some more looking around and found an article on FIFA.com from February 2017 saying he is 29 years old which would mean he's born 1987 and would make the original FIFA.com source wrong: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/y=2017/m=2/news=iraq-s-abdulzahra-keeping-the-faith-2868426.html. I then looked at some other random sites like transfermarkt, soccerway and all those types of sites and they all say 1987. So what do we put as his date of birth on his Wiki page? Hashim-afc ( talk) 17:47, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
Are they really loaning that many players out? I tried to check it out but wasn't sure. Govvy ( talk) 09:59, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
This player's article suffered some severe vandalism from IP editors over the last few months. I believe a semi-protected status is warranted. -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 06:53, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
This club has changed name, after a merge with Royal Mouscron-Péruwelz. Now, we have " Category:Royal Excel Mouscron players" and " Category:Royal Mouscron-Péruwelz players"...
Shouldn't they be merged? Attentively -- Quite A Character ( talk) 17:09, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
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Surely in articles it should say Germany or Italy national team, as there isnt a German or Italian narional team Kind regards Chocolate Rabbit 09:43, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
I got a whole 10 results, mostly to a computer game site, and Google asked if I'd meant "plays for the german national team". cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 10:58, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
This is one of the most pointless debates ever. It really doesn't matter, they are just different ways of expressing the exact same thing. Jellyman ( talk) 11:58, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but saying that someone "plays for the Germany National Team" is just grammatically incorrect. It's the same as saying someone "speaks the Germany language." To be grammatically correct, you need to use the adjectival form. It should be "the German National Team" in the same way as it should be "the German language." GroveWanderer ( talk) 06:25, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
I really don't have an opinion/interest on which should be used, German team reads slightly more naturally than Germany team but almost no difference. But I would say it's a bit different to the comparison mentioned above with the language. The language spoken by French people is French, but the national football team representing French people is France. Obviously it's therefore also the French national team, but the entity has a name itself, rather than just an adjective form. So, either is correct and either can be used with NEW articles. But there really is no need to go around changing one form to the other in existing pages. There are a lot of other things which could be fixed or improved, please focus your attention on some of them. Crowsus ( talk) 13:46, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
According to the KNVB, each edition since its rebrand is denoted by a roman numeral like the Super Bowl. [18] Should this be reflected in the individual articles? VEO one five 11:08, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi just trying to get some consensus. Today I reverted the stats table of Aidan Nesbitt to reflect his appearances for Celtic and their Under 20s separately. No issue at all with the other editor as he was trying to tidy up the table. The issue concerns the Scottish Challenge Cup where academy sides (which are reserve sides in their own league, not full B teams in the senior system) play against senior clubs. The same situation exists for the EFL Trophy in England. So in my opinion, it is inaccurate to record the appearances/goals for the academy teams as first team appearances, but they have are senior Cup games so far should appear on a stats table. So to me, the only way to do that clearly is to have separate rows for the academy cup matches.
There seems to be little consistency in recording this. For example, Demarai Gray (which I haven't edited) is displayed they way I would suggest it should be; Liam Feeney has an EFL Trophy game added to his Blackburn total, giving him an 'extra' game for their first team (the same way Nesbitt had been changed to); and Conor McAleny doesn't have EFL Trophy games in his stats table at all, although the cup article for last season showed him playing and scoring for Everton U23 in it.
At present this is all pretty minor but it could get increasingly messy as the seasons roll on and more players who played as youngsters in these cups become well known professionals. By the the way, Soccerway have the Challenge Cup and EFL Trophy listed on their site for each player, under separate academy team entries, so (thankfully) it's easy enough to source and check information on those tournaments. Crowsus ( talk) 10:32, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
I was trying to update his stats, but I am getting really confused. Can someone please fix it for me as my maths at times isn't that great, part of my confusion is the lack of subtotal row for the first two seasons in the table, this stupid not adding up loan seasons or single seasons is really hard for ppl like me to understand these tables at times. It's not very helpful for ppl with dyslexia. Govvy ( talk) 10:48, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi all, I'm looking to create a page for South African footballer Lorenzo Gordinho. I can't do so, though because the name has been protected due to old violations by previous creators before he passed the eligibility test. The player is now a regular for top-flight side Kaizer Chiefs F.C. and has played for the national team so I don't see any of the old issues being a problem anymore. Is there an admin who could assist me with this? Cheers, Liam E. Bekker ( talk) 11:47, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Would an uninvolved admin please take a look at this merger discussion and possibly closing it? It has been going for two months, an unnecessary time if you ask me considering that all the participants seems to agree. If this isn't a valid discussion or the pages cannot be merged or moved please let me know. Thank you. Inter&anthro ( talk) 17:35, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi. I'm trying to update and correct the infobox for the 2017 Vietnamese Second Division, but when I try to add a new row, for example, "promoted" to list the teams who were promoted, it's says "saved" but then doesn't appear in the updated Infobox. Any help John arneVN ( talk) 07:12, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Ah. I didn't realise that there were preset parameters! Thanks ChrisTheDude John arneVN ( talk) 07:36, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Please can people come and offer their feedback for the proposal at Talk:2017_CFU_Club_Championship#Requested move 5 September 2017.
Thanks.
TheBigJagielka ( talk) 22:14, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
No replies so far at Talk:Ahmed Hegazy regarding the spelling of his name in English language media. Would very much welcome the thoughts of other WP:FOOTY editors. Cheers. -- Jameboy ( talk) 22:53, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Since in no way do I want to engage in any "holier-than-thou" attitude with my reversions here, a doubt before this escalates:
since Sporting has sold his rights, and Leicester City was not allowed to register player yet, do you folks think his intro should read "...is a Portuguese footballer who plays as a central midfielder", without mentioning any club?
Attentively, sorry for any inconvenience -- Quite A Character ( talk) 11:33, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
I don't think Turan is a helpful parallel. FIFA are refusing to process the registration of Silva with Leicester. It's possible (maybe even likely) that if their appeal against FIFA's decision fails they may try to argue that Silva is still a Sporting player and that they should not have to pay the transfer fee. Whereas Turan signed for Barcelona in full knowledge that he could not be registered for some time. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 13:08, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Can some admin talk to the users who tried to vandalize Zlatan Ibrahimović's infobox again and again? Matthew_hk t c 06:55, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
User:Iggy the Swan is running through articles changing game to match saying what I put in the title here. I really don't understand whats wrong with using the word game for a football match here and there. I really don't want articles to look too formal as if they were written by a Vulcan, it would be horrible reading! Govvy ( talk) 11:39, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
As discussed in Koavf's talk page. How to deal with situation such as Ireland national football team (1882–1950)? Irish had the right cat Irish association footballers, but Republic of China (Taiwan) did not. Republic of China (Taiwan) once call-up many footballers from Hong Kong (as the government of "free zone China"), including the success in the Asian Games as well as participation in 1960 Summer Olympics. Until today Hong Kong people still eligible to Republic of China nationality, but nowadays require onshore "naturalization" period, but Hong Kong people can't represent Taiwan in today FIFA regulation. However, in the past it can as Chinese diaspora. In today standard non of them were related to modern border of Taiwan the country nor Taiwanese diaspora. It look likes representing all Irish team is not equal as Northern Irish footballers. Matthew_hk t c 18:37, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion about the addition of France's Division 1 Féminine to the notability essay WP:FPL. The minimum salary deemed "fully professional" is also being discussed. Input is welcome at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues#French Women's League. Hmlarson ( talk) 11:45, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
The following situation: I think in the past it has been established that we divide honours into "club" and "international", not "club" and "national team", am i correct? Also, i think it was established a long time ago we don't use numbers in display of honours won, ESPECIALLY in the case of (1) or (2), am i correct?
A fellow user (which has been notified to participate here by me, don't fret) thinks differently, and reverted me accusing me of not explaining my changes (I did, of course my summary can use some more tact as habitually! But I DID write an explanatory note). Also in honours, i tried to display the full name of competition - why remove the "Argentine" when several other countries also have a league named "Primera División"? - and was reverted)...
Now, for another matter (or not, since i was also reverted here, but here i admit i did not offer any reasons), in the same article: Mr. Corbatta's playing position. A WINGER or a FORWARD? I chose "forward" originally because of the number of goals he scored, but it seems the most correct one would be "right winger" because of the sources (NFT.com, and the new ref i added from Racing Club's official website, where he is called a "puntero derecho" (right winger); all in all, it can be a bit tricky to define, because of the decades he played in (where they engaged in 4-2-4 if not still 2-3-5), but i don't think it's very consistent to name him a forward in a part of the article and a winger elsewhere.
Last but not least, the subject's name: it seems it is "Oreste Omar" and not "Omar Oreste" (in fact, same source says he was registered with a typo, which "left him" named "Oreste Osmar".
Attentively -- Quite A Character ( talk) 16:27, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the input, sincerely :) Let's go bit by bit:
1 - readers don't have the obligation to know where a club comes from, so there is a slight possibility someone might think he had won the Peruvian Primera División and not the Argentine League; 2 - i see what you mean, but we must be consistent, if you notice, the box and the second part of intro say he played as a winger and the first part of intro say he was a forward. We MUST adjust that, don't you think?
3 - since you don't seem to oppose, i'll also adjust his full name, if you see his biography from Racing's official web you will notice him being name "Oreste O(s)mar" and not "Omar Oreste". Happy week, thanks again -- Quite A Character ( talk) 20:59, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
I've been asked to comment by Quite A Character. It is standard practice to not include numbers in the honours section, and to use to the section headings "Club" and "International". Mattythewhite ( talk) 22:58, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
Adam Federici was loaned by Bournemouth to Nottingham Forest, but due to him being injured during international duty both clubs have agreed to rescind the loan and he's back at Bournemouth before playing for Nottingham Forest (and I don't think he trained with them either). My question is, should his loan to Nottingham Forest be kept in the infobox? (obviously there should be a couple of sentences about it in the main article prose). -- SuperJew ( talk) 15:33, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
I don't know if it's just incompetence or a misunderstanding, but can someone please visit the talk page for FC Steaua București and see what the issue is over this user's requested change regarding the establishment of the club? The user has been asked multiple times to establish a consensus for the change, but they still create requests for similar changes. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) ( talk) 20:39, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Happened for the second time (at least!), so i bring this to the attention of the "commission": who else thinks that the "Remarks on homosexuality" section (sourced, of course, which it is) belongs in the article? An anon "user" does not seem to think so (personal friend of Mr. Berizzo? A simple VANDAL? Who knows?), and removes the entire section with summaries like "Reduced unnecessary content" or "Not pertinent to the wiki article"; since one action was performed in England and the other in Saudi Arabia, it's quite possible that it's not even the same person.
If the vast majority of the people here think that it's not relevant then i'm at ease, next time they (or he/she?) remove(s) the content then it stays removed, as far as i'm concerned at least. I'd also like to apologize to WP at large for my outburst in summary (an admin can block me and I will not protest the very least), but i find actions such as these to be very VERY frustrating.
Attentively, sorry for any inconvenience -- Quite A Character ( talk) 18:19, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the detailed input, but just one pointer: personal life (and akin) stuff goes BEFORE the honours and the statistics and not AFTER, per WP:FOOTY consensus (or has it changed again? Could be). -- Quite A Character ( talk) 21:25, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi I am the footballer (LIAM DAVIS) could someone please respond to my full edit request at Talk:Liam Davis (footballer)? Thank you". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liamdavis86 ( talk • contribs) 15:42, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Greetings.
There are a number of players who have been given contract by reserve/B teams of football clubs (I am referring about those reserve clubs which play in the same league system like Werder Bremen II playing in 3.Liga and not about parallel league systems). It is found that some of these players had been an unused substitute for the main squad a couple of times. Now my question is that should we mention that he has played for the senior team in the infobox? For example,
Ivan Prtajin was signed by the reserve/youth team of Udinese. He was an unused substitute for Udinese senior team in a match. By the virtue if it, is the detail shown in the infobox that he has played with Udinese from 2014 to 2017 correct or wrong?
RRD (
talk) 17:05, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
This is a notification that a user has requested a move at Template talk:German Regionalliga (football). All are invited to participate. TonyBallioni ( talk) 15:37, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
The 2017–18 Under 20 Elite League article has been nominated for deletion. Please come and provide your feedback at the nomination. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 22:13, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
In lead of some articles such Real Madrid and FC Barcelona there is a claim: "that squad is recognised by some as the greatest of all-time". Is not a POV and WP:PEACOCK for delete? 190.113.209.224 ( talk) 17:37, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
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Could I get some attention paid to Dzsenifer Marozsán. An IP keeps insisting that the captain of the German women's national team is Hungarian. Thanks. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 23:41, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Can anyone take a look and detect what causes a Lua error after Soccerway link? Thanks in advance -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 13:41, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
En edit war which dates back to 2013 appears to be resurrected by User:Rebelheartous. There was some discussion at the article's talk page but most of it took place at the bg wiki talk page. In May 2016, there was a judgement call made by User:Izvora (bg wiki admin) so it appeared that the dispute has been settled. The history section of the Bulgarian article was rewritten with sources from official/authentic documents and the English version is basically a translation.
I have reverted User:Rebelheartous' edits from 16 July and politely asked him to adhere to the bg wiki discussion. He has reverted my edit without explanation and claims that en wiki is a separate entity (which is formally true) and User:GiantSnowman has resolved the dispute there by banning User:Vtd and warning User:Okalinov. These actions by User:GiantSnowman were entirely appropriate, because the edits at that time were unsourced. This is not the case now. In any event, banning a user for a particular disruptive action is not equal to resolving a dispute involving that user.
My question is, what is the proper action from now onwards? Should we go through the same discussion again on en wiki (in English), or an en wiki admin can review the decision made by his bg colleague? An administrative involvement at the WP:AN/EW seems rather harsh to me, so I am seeking advice. Yavorescu ( talk) 14:17, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
I just performed some overall adjustments in Álvaro Negredo, adding some new refs for example. In one of those moves I sourced/relocated his international goals chart, but it "came unhinged" (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=%C3%81lvaro_Negredo&diff=next&oldid=791758890). Subsequently it became better ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=%C3%81lvaro_Negredo&diff=next&oldid=792238457), but now it looks like only the last goal is sourced.
Attentively, thanks a lot in advance. -- Quite A Character ( talk) 10:36, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
MORE undue squad templates, please see Sandro Ramírez! Getting quite tiresome... -- Quite A Character ( talk) 21:43, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
I came across this stub for a Spanish coach/referee named Pablo Ferré Elías who worked in El Salvador and Chile in the 1930s and 40s. Is there anyone with any expertise in this area who might know if this could be the Pedro Pablo Ferré Elías who has been mentioned coaching Fidel Castro when he was young? [1] The details are sketchy but the one in Cuba was identified as a Catalan priest who was also a football coach and referee. The timeline seems to match. This would be an important detail if they were one in the same. Thanks! —Мандичка YO 😜 12:44, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Durneydiaz ( talk · contribs) has just been indefinitely blocked as a result of this discussion at WP:ANI. This user has created over a thousand articles mostly about South American footballers. A few articles have recently moved to draftspace for a number of reasons, including failing to cite sources and poor Spanish-English translation. It may be worth some people here having a look at these drafts as many appear to pass WP:NFOOTBALL. Hack ( talk) 04:27, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Simple question of "yes" or "no", no gray area there i believe,
Sandro Ramírez has retired from the Spanish national team (at under-21 level that is) due to his age, if he never appears for them at A level his international career is over, no?
User:Mattythewhite, with whom i agree 100%, says that when a player retires from his/her club, we remove the PC update from their infobox. Thus, to follow suit when the same happens at NT level would be to remove the corresponding parameter, a matter of simple coherence.
Attentively -- Quite A Character ( talk) 15:10, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
AGAIN, i see that there is no consensus, as an administrator (important to emphasise it here i think) sees it fit - as do i - to remove the parameter if a player is not playing at a given level, while others do not. From where i stand you win @ Davekgoodnight:, sorry to bother you enough to be called a VANDAL ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sandro_Ram%C3%ADrez&diff=792292521&oldid=792264700) that REMOVED stats ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sandro_Ram%C3%ADrez&diff=791621551&oldid=791326302)!
Thank you all for your participation -- Quite A Character ( talk) 19:06, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
I don't think User:Mattythewhite (the admin) agreed to remove the parameter. /info/en/?search=Talk:Sandro_Ram%C3%ADrez He also said the points I raised made sense at the end of discussion. Besides, I did issue a full apology to you in my talk page if there was a misunderstanding regarding the very first message so I do not know why you take the issue to this page. If you still feel offended by the message, I hereby apologize to you, sincerely. Peace. Davekgoodnight ( talk) 19:51, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Could I ask any experts on Spanish football if the pre-Liga regional championships are considered official games? It should apply across the board to all tournaments of that sort, but my specific concern relates to the Biscay Championship. The Spanish wiki has acknowledged Domingo Acedo as Athletic Bilbao's youngest player and scorer from the 1914-15 version of that tournament and given an independent source for this, however the English wiki and most sources credit Iker Muniain as having broken the club records in 2009, which is what I thought was the case as well. It is possible that the Biscay Championship isn't considered an official tournament, but it probably should be since there was no national league so it was an important concern for the clubs. The other thing is that some sources claiming Muniain to be the record holder state that he beat Agustín Gaínza - but Gainza's appearances as a 16-year-old were also in the Biscay Championship! So is it maybe just that some media overlooked Acedo altogther, and that has been recorded incorrectly on (English) Wikipedia as a result? Muniain is definitely the club record holder for La Liga and for European games, and Acedo definitely for the Copa del Rey. If anyone has additional knowledge in relation to this, please let me know. If not, the text above would also be a useful reference if/when I edit the players' articles to relfect this small change! Thanks. Crowsus ( talk) 21:21, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Noticed the 2006 world cup assists page was a total mess. Figo and Totti were joint leaders at 4 a piece, not Riquelme. I edited the template but I am not sure what other clean up has to be done.
Does anyone know what purpose the templates in Category:Fb team templates England serve? All they do is generate wikilinked club names, which can be easily typed out without need for a template. Mattythewhite ( talk) 21:34, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
I recently cleaned up heavy vandalism on the article 1998 FIFA World Cup qualification that had been going on for months. Is there anyone available to check this article and any other article like this for further inaccuracy and vandalism? Thanks! jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) ( talk) 21:48, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi, for the benefit of Chelsdog, please can we reiterate consensus on how separate loan spells should be listed in the infobox. See Jay Dasilva to understand where I am coming from. Thanks, LTFC 95 ( talk) 18:41, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Since May of last year, Akocsg ( talk · contribs) has consistently been trying to insert various regional and invitational games to the honours section of the Fenerbahce-Galatasaray rivalry and Besiktas-Fenerbahce rivalry pages. This is what each section looked like before and after, for Fener-Gala [2] [3] and for Fener-Besiktas [4] [5]. The awards added included an invitational tournament played four times in 50 years on an irregular basis, a part of a former regional tournament played only between the three clubs in question, and a cup that was played as a consolation game between the losers of the Turkish Cup and runners up of the league. The editor's argument is that since the clubs technically played each other in these games, they are a part of the rivalry and should be included. However, my view is that they arent actual trophies to list in honours counts in these articles, and when you look at the consensus for the rest of these rivalry articles, they do not include similar tournaments. Man Utd-Liverpool's rivalry page doesnt include the Lancashire Senior Cup or the International Champions Cup since they are regional and invitational games despite the clubs having faced off in them which would technically make them 'part of the rivalry'. And Arsenal-Chelsea's page doesnt include the London Challenge Cup for example even though both teams played in it. Talkpage discussions between us have reached a bit of a standstill due to the differences in views so could anyone help out and explain who is in the right here? Davefelmer ( talk) 19:57, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
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-- Ipigott ( talk) 10:28, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia is a great place for finding out how to properly refer to a club. Most of the times, however, the club's full name is much too long to be used in writing. Therefore the opening paragraph of most good club articles includes common way(s) of referring to the club, if you don't want to use the full name.
I have noticed that, for some reason, articles about English clubs often only state the club's full name in the opening paragraph, omitting other ways in which the club is most commonly referred to.
Therefore I recently started adding these most common shorter names to the articles for some Premier League clubs, but I suspect I will get some reversions (have already got one), so instead of getting into multiple edit wars about this, I thought I'd bring up the subject here for debate. If I can get a consensus for my view on this I could refer to this discussion when editing.
A user who reverted my edit on Arsenal F.C. argued that my edit was "[n]ot really necessary because most clubs have 'Football Club' chopped off in common usage". I agree that for people who are knowledgeable about English football this is obvious, but Wikipedia articles should be written also for people who have no knowledge about naming traditions in English football.
I realize opening paragraphs are to be kept short and clean, so only the most commonly used short name(s) should be included there (and not lots of obscure club nicknames), but why omit these short forms altogether? Most times the shorter name is more commonly used than the club's full name, so it's weird to leave it out in an encyclopedic article.
I might not have covered all arguments for and against, so I'm looking forward to hearing any thoughts other users might have on this subject. Aikclaes ( talk) 07:18, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
A user reverted my edit on the New York Red Bulls, where I had added AKA "the Red Bulls". The short form "Red Bulls" is how the club is referred to throughout the article, so I don't see why it shouldn't be mentioned in the opening sentence. This is an encyclopedia, not a magazine article. Why leave this info out? For someone who isn't well read on the MLS, or even football, it is useful to know how the club is commonly referred to. What are these people meant to do? Read the whole article and keep score of what ways the club is referred to? Google media articles? Check the club's own website? This info should be readily available in a decent encyclopedia, as I propose: in a subordinate clause in the opening paragraph. I honestly don't see why some editors are so against it. Aikclaes ( talk) 14:01, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I cannot see any recent agreement to switch over to using {{ fs_player2}} from {{ fs_player}} which leaves us with a much longer squad list in articles and reorders the columns. Has there been any such recent agreement? Changes such as this is what brought up the question. Keith D ( talk) 13:07, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
How do I submit an article for peer review? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alitheboss55 ( talk • contribs) 14:36, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
This time, I do not come here to discuss runner-ups "yes" or "no" as I've grown tired of the lack of consensus, I choose yes (with refs of course) and that's the way I will edit.
However, there is a consensus not to add numbers to the section, is there not? User:Davefelmer added them in Gorka Iraizoz, calling the display of said department a MESS when played has only 5/6 accolades in his "cabinet".
Attentively (note: even though I highlighted his name here, said fellow user has been notified of this thread) -- Quite A Character ( talk) 13:43, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
There is a proposal for the Women's football taskforce to become a separate WikiProject, seemingly primarily aimed at amending the notability criteria for female footballers. Comments welcome here. Cheers, Number 5 7 08:05, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
The following is a c&p of what's been left on my user talk page. Please tell us again how WP:FOOTY serves editors working on articles related to women's football. Input is being requested here. Hmlarson ( talk) 00:51, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Could you explain to me why you added the text including "9-time winners and 4-time runners-up in the 15 editions of the UEFA Women's Champions League"
for the Frauen-Bundesliga entry at
WP:FPL? I don't really see the relevance to the subject of the list.
Sir Sputnik (
talk) 18:46, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Hello. Can a willing editor please review the edit requests over at three different articles?
Thanks! jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) ( talk) 23:50, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
Please see talk page for multiple issue need to be discussed. Matthew_hk t c 07:31, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
I am not familiar the code, how to remove the usage of template:Fb team XYZ in the table? Matthew_hk t c 15:14, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Can someone with rollback please resolve the bile that has appeared on the article, and maybe consider a parge protection until his future is resolved? Crowsus ( talk) 11:24, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm just having a look at Category:Footballers in England by club and I've noticed there's a hell of a lot of categories with only one member. Does anyone know of any Wikipedia policy that says categories should have a minimum number of members? – Pee Jay 11:16, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Are those "MNZ" leagues, which are Slovenian 4th and 5th level divisions and are found in the following categories ( 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018) notable, or should they be mass deleted? Snowflake91 ( talk) 17:38, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
I know that notability for players in the English game currently goes with the general rule that players must have played in the Football League, but I was wondering whether this was fair on some Victoria era players who played before the League was formed.
Would it be possible to change the notability guidelines to recognise the FA Cup as the senior competition in England before 1889?
There are many players who played in FA Cup finals who, under the current guidelines, would not be deemed notable, yet there are hundreds of articles concerning players who have played in less than a handful of lower division Football League games.
Kivo ( talk) 11:35, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Just added some more refs to this player's article. However, i cannot make anything of the stuff present in source #3, why those odd italics even in the date and accessdate fields? Can someone fix it, please?
Attentively, many thanks in advance -- Quite A Character ( talk) 15:56, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Could an Admin please restore Matt O'Riley, he made his Fulham debut in the EFL Cup tonight. Thanks, JMHamo ( talk) 22:51, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Mauritania changed its flag last Sunday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.249.73.206 ( talk) 16:59, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
I would like some clarification regarding naming conventions for clubs that have changed their names during the course of a club's history. This is a relatively common practice in Major League Soccer, and I have noticed that for most players the name used in the infobox is the one used during a player's stay. The specific example I have is Kei Kamara, who played for Columbus Crew SC both when it was called "Columbus Crew SC" and when it was called "Columbus Crew." The same is true for teams such as FC Dallas rather than Dallas Burn, Sporting Kansas City rather than Kansas City Wizards, and San Jose Earthquakes rather than San Jose Clash, just for a few examples.
I do not want to get into an edit war about this. I believe that the page should accurately reflect the time period the player played at the club, and the proper name at the time. See the edits on Gastón Sauro's page for what I'm talking about. I don't consider the edits unconstructive, especially since this isn't a matter of "compressing" the team's name. This is a matter of using the correct name and not an older out-of-date name. Is there some guideline that I have missed in this regard? Jay eyem ( talk) 20:15, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
I was wondering why we don't put the full address and postcode in the infoboxes on stadium pages, shouldn't we be doing that? Govvy ( talk) 23:11, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
These two clubs are de iure different sides according to this Lega Nazionale Dilettanti (Italy women's football governing body) document (Juventus women has matricola 947228). Also, its name will be "Juventus Women Football Club" according the club's website.-- 181.67.58.83 ( talk) 23:55, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Please could an admin protect Andre Gray, the article is subject to continuing disruptive editing and vandalism. Many thanks. LTFC 95 ( talk) 12:33, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Is this footballer notable? 77.130.193.21 ( talk) 04:00, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry to bring this up again, but I am trying to avoid an edit war. I've already been threatened by some user that I assume is an admin ( GiantSnowman) of having editing privileges revoked, despite having addressed this issue under the "Clarification for Club Names in Infobox" section on this very page. He referenced me to Wikipedia:Piped link and Wikipedia:Other stuff exists, and given the argument that I made I don't believe that this is a violation. I don't want my editing privileges revoked for something that appears to be a consensus on this page. Will someone else please address this? Jay eyem ( talk) 17:03, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
I have started a conversation for the naming convention for how Columbus Crew SC should be referred to in infoboxes and articles for players 2015 onward at Talk:Columbus Crew SC. I would appreciate any input from this community regarding what the consensus should be. Jay eyem ( talk) 19:14, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Yay or nay? I say nay (and I'm sure we've had consensus on this on the past), they are WP:OR and WP:NOTSTATS. Giant Snowman 17:09, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
There is a dispute concerning whether these templates should be used at Talk:2018 FIFA World Cup qualification – CAF Third Round. If there are any interested editors, please come by and provide input. Thank you. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) ( talk) 05:19, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
Hello. I'd like to request assistance at the LA Galaxy article, for various IPs, possibly a hopper, is persistently changing numbers of players without valid sources. Page is already on pending changes for this reason, and I want to wait a week from today to resubmit a request for protection. When I submitted yesterday, my request got declined for collateral damage. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) ( talk) 23:44, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
I have never known Vicente to be known as anything other than Vicente, so surprised me to find his article is "Vicente Rodriguez". Couldn't see any prior discussion of this. It may be something to do with Vicente disambiguation page being so named, but even if the main article was "Vicente (Footballer)" it would be clearer and more appropriate? Yes / No? Koncorde ( talk) 14:15, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
I propose to remove every women's under-23 article. For example, Haiti women's national under-23 football team contains three sentences; the first two are completely nonsense. And the third one – I'm not sure. Maiō T. ( talk) 12:03, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
OK, I take back my original proposal. Eight women's under-23 national teams really exist (or existed) – USA, Germany, England, Scotland, Sweden, Finland, Norway and Switzerland; they played on the Nordic Cup between 2007 and 2009. [11] But I still support the deletion of Haiti U23 team. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haiti women's national under-23 football team. Maiō T. ( talk) 16:20, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
There is a "Football in North America" template, which works as (I assume) was intended on, for example, Football in the Dominican Republic. However, it gets messed up for the US and Canada: it links to the disambiguation page Football in the United States and then "Football in Canada" redirects to Canadian football. I think we're unable to edit the template directly because it comes from Template:North America topic? The template seems way more complicated than I can understand, and somebody posted about the issue on its talk page a couple months ago, but nobody has responded there, so I figured I'd bring it up here, though I have no clue what can be done.
One thing which doesn't fix the main issue but could help a bit (and is actually doable) would be to adjust the template title to say "association football in north america", as "football" is not specific enough for a significant chunk of the population of North America. Cleancutkid ( talk) 04:28, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
I was looking at their website regarding Gareth Bale, for some reason they have him down for winning the league cup at Spurs, but as far as I am aware he never got one, he didn't qualify for one. Also, they put him down for winning a 2016 super cup medal, but when I view the end of this youtube vid I don't see him anywhere with the rest of the squad in it. Govvy ( talk) 21:56, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
It is quite consistent that in Italian football club A.C., F.C., U.S., A.S. were used (with dots) and a primary source listed a few more commonly known short form. However, regarding C.F. as a short form of Calcio Femminile, i don't really find secondary or even primary source to support it as an universal rule for the female football clubs as part of a common name. So, should clubs in Category:Women's football clubs in Italy with C.F. suffix or prefix, should move back to Calcio Femminile.? Matthew_hk t c 16:00, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
On Alexandre Pato's page I have removed a bunch of non-notable trivia and transfer rumours in the Chelsea section which I am tired of seeing on English league player's pages.
"He turned down a move to Chinese side Tianjin Quanjian in which he would earn more than €1 million per month, as he sought a move back to Europe."
Transfer rumours are not notable.
"On 2 February, Chelsea confirmed that Pato would wear the number 11 shirt, previously worn by club legends Didier Drogba and Dennis Wise, for the remainder of the campaign."
Club legends according to whom? Why does this narrative belong in a biography?
"After a period of injury, he was first included in the first-team squad on 1 March, remaining unused in a 2–1 win at Norwich City."
Being included in the first team is not notable as has been discussed a thousand times before.
( User:Formulaonewiki) has gone ahead and reverted these changes, and I'm not interested in edit warring. Your guys thoughts? Danieletorino2 ( talk) 13:25, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
I should probably already know the answer, but I'm skeptical of the inclusion of many footballer BLPs in various categories for people of specific ancestries (e.g, Category:Argentine people of Italian descent) apparently based on nothing more than their surname. For example, I found Eduardo Filippini included in the Argentine people of Italian descent category without any sourcing (and the only sourcing I could find regarding his ancestry indicates Paraguayan, not Italian descent. There are many other examples of this, and while I understand that the surname Filippini has Italian origins, isn't is possible that surnames have been modified over the years or that there are instances where a person with such a surname might not have any Italian ancestry? Should we remove these BLPs from those categories until proper sourcing is available? Best regards. Jogurney ( talk) 19:12, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
The CNID Footballer of the Year was awarded between 1970 to 2000, and was resurrected in 2006 as the Primeira Liga Footballer of the Year. However, RSSSF list winners in the interim (2001 to 2005). It appears to be a continuation of the CNID award, but at the same time, it could be a unofficial award like the European Golden Shoe was from 1991 to 1996. What do people think about this? APM ( talk) 13:16, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Please accept my editing in Mourinho's goal statistics because i'm adding the information. Thank you very much
PS: Zidane and Ancelotti goal statitics were used too in their article, so am i wrong if i'm just to added the goal statistics?. Thank you very much if you understanding this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BPL2007 ( talk • contribs) 13:28, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
There appears to be a significant amount of vandalism by Westcrown66 at the page Matt Knowles that's apparently been going on for a couple of weeks, and I'm not entirely sure how to handle it. Could somebody please look into this? Jay eyem ( talk) 18:36, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Hello there. Please I ask you to intervene at Freddie Veseli because Im going unfortunely through an edit wat with another user about stats. format. Thank you. Eni.Sukthi.Durres ( talk) 21:42, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
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I was wondering if we could extend this template to also say something along the lines, please don't update the article until transfer is fully complete, i.e medical and work permits have been completed etc. Thoughts? Govvy ( talk) 09:46, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi all, just a quick one. Should the Personal Life section fall before or after the Career stats and Honours sections? I'm inclined to put it after so as to separate football from personal but pages seem to vary. Liam E. Bekker ( talk) 09:58, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
If a player has played for Scotland National Amateur football team do they pass Nfooty or not? I noticed User:Shaztastic adding speedy deletion to a number of the players with stub articles. Govvy ( talk) 12:13, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
May I seek the advice from the wiki community please? Simple question of 'metres' or 'centimetres', no gray area there I believe. I have a dispute over whether to use 'metres' or 'centimetres' as the 'main' height in Michael Keane's [13] inbox. An user insisted on a number of occasions that we should follow the source [14] which states 191cm and reverted the editing (from 1.91m to 191cm). I disagree I think it should be stated as 1.91m because it makes sense for teams to be uniform in their display of height for the sake of consistency. While 'metres' and 'centimetres' are the same measurement but meters has been used universally in football players' inboxes and pages. Therefore, I would say we should use 'meters' as the 'main' height instead of 'centimetres'. Cheers. Davekgoodnight ( talk) 15:44, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Does anyone else think this is necessary, given the existence of Category:Football in West Yorkshire? I was going to TfD it, but thought I'd check others' views first. Cheers, Number 5 7 11:37, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
There is (was, as i have stopped since) an edit war going on regarding this player's youth years (infobox). User:Oleola has confided they feel the information present in this newspaper article (please see here http://www.diarioinformacion.com/deportes/2012/11/16/carlitos-lopez-busca-goles-rusia/1315390.html) stems from WP and thus may not be reliable. Not sure as to why they reason like that, however, and they also encourage me as well as User:MYS77 to pay more attention to WP:VERIFY, and they are not wrong there :)
Now, for my two cents: WP:VERIFY is a site guideline that needs to be embraced, could not agree more. However, WP:BOLD is also one (of less power, but still), no? Reading this bit ("Empezó en 1998 en el Alicante, para pasar después al Hércules, conjunto en el que permaneció cuatro años. También pasó por el Torrellano, en dos etapas, con un intervalo fuera de la provincia, en el que perteneció al Murcia.", translated to "Started in 1998 in Alicante, moving then to Hércules, an outfit where he remained four years. He also spent time at Torrellano, two spells, this being interspersed with time outside the province, when he belonged to Murcia"), one can easily conclude that User:El rayo que no cesa – SPANISH like the subject – knew his stuff and embraced WP:BOLD when they, in October 2012, added the youth years that have since been removed (diff here https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Carlitos_%28Spanish_footballer%29&type=revision&diff=518196479&oldid=515888895). Again, please note that i am not saying Mr. Rayo is a reliable source (no user here is per se, i know that), i am only referring to WP:B-O-L-D, please accept my apologies if i am making a mess of this guideline in particular.
Oleola removed said youth years from the infobox and also added a new club to the section, Elche CF. However, MYS77 cleverly notes in Oleola's page, during our exchanges regarding this issue, "that Elche and Torrellano had a partnership back in that time. So if the guy is listed in Elche's website, he could be playing for Torrellano instead".
Inputs please, and again the community has my utter promise that i will not revert/remove anything from the article regarding this bit. Attentively -- Quite A Character ( talk) 02:30, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
anyone still using this template? Cleanup those tagged for years and nominate the template for deletion? Matthew_hk t c 19:28, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
According to this link ( Buffon, Messi and Ronaldo on Player of the Year shortlist), Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi, and Gianluigi Buffon have been listed as the three finalists for what is now being called the "UEFA Men's Player of the Year Award", rather than the "UEFA Best Player in Europe Award". It seems to be the same award (just with the name of the Men's award reflecting the "UEFA Best Women's Player in Europe Award"), with the same format with a top 10 being announced followed by the three finalists and the winner being announced ahead of the 2017 UEFA Super Cup, so I was wondering if the title of the page should be changed, or should a new page be made? Thoughts? Thanks! Best, Messirulez ( talk) 19:25, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
please could they see if there's anything useful in the previously deleted versions of Cohen Bramall worth merging into the page history of the new creation. thanks in advance, Struway2 ( talk) 20:48, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
What is better - 'John Smith is an English retired footballer' or 'John Smith is a retired English footballer'. I say the former as the latter implies that a player has retired from their nationality as well as their profession... Giant Snowman 17:15, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
I am creating a page for Oliver Sail as realised he doesn't have one. Not sure if you will allow the page at this stage as I'm not sure if he meets WP:FOOTY yet until he gets a start either for the All Whites or the Nix (He did play for the All Whites in a couple of friendlies and been on the bench for the Nix). Anyway, just wanted to make sure the page is on the right track for when it will be allowed, so any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks NZ Footballs Conscience (talk) 03:30, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
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I'm proposing a change to WP:NFOOTY to improve clarity. I've added continental club competitions such as Champions League per Fenix down's suggestions elsewhere: 1, 2 and made slight re-wording changes for clarity. As Fenix down also mentioned (and I agree), some changes are needed in the intro on WP:FPL for clarity, but I thought we'd start here. Hmlarson ( talk) 22:37, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Association football (soccer) figures are presumed notable if they:
Note: For the purposes of this guideline, played means having appeared in a match either in the starting line-up or coming on as a substitute. Other players must be shown to meet the wider requirements of WP:GNG.
UTC)
Accepting the comments above that the initial proposal is too generous in terms of presuming notability, could we consider the following as a potential alternative to point 2:
I have left out the OFC and CONCACAF Champion League as well as the Copa Libertadores Femina as being insufficiently notable at a global level to allow presumption of notability for partaking players at this stage.
Looking at the number and location of teams that play in the competition proper, of these competitions, it would appear that this would only presume a small number of additional players from men's leagues to be notable, as most of these clubs come from already acknowledged FPLs (and those that don't come from leagues with a decent level of professionalism anyway) but would acknowledge the growth in popularity of women's football in Europe and would look to create some level of balance in this subject specific guideline (i.e. that it is reasonable to acknowledge the same presumption of notability to the top level of women's continental club competition in Europe as it is to the Ukrainian third tier). Fenix down ( talk) 11:03, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
Hmlarson ( talk) 18:46, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
This doesn't cover non-FIFA members playing in continental championships, which is covered by NFOOTY currently, and part of the reason why it's so convoluted. I'd also like to move away from using the Tier 1 terminology explicitly. It's not a bad standard, but it's also not obvious to the uninformed reader what that actually means. I think it would be easier just to put the relevant parts of the Tier 1 requirements directly into our guideline. If we're doing bulleted lists for the continental level club competitions, might I suggest the following.
Thoughts? Sir Sputnik ( talk) 22:49, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
Not a big issue but I notice a few articles using this without borders, this makes it quite tough to view when there is many results with the same results, green, red, yellow together, anyone discussed this before? Kyndigs ( talk) 10:18, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
I've got a question regarding Sebastian Eriksson's infobox. On 22 December 2014, he signed a loan contract with IFK Göteborg that lasted until 30 June 2015. On 25 May 2015, he signed a permanent deal with club, and they stated that " From 1 July, he will be a permanent IFK Göteborg player". This is however a problem, because the Swedish transfer window opened on 15 July 2015. This creates a gap of 14 day, a gap in which Eriksson played two games. Should these two games be included in the loan spell (because the transfer window was yet to open) or in the permanent spell (because the contract hade been activated)? The latter alternative is the current one in the article. // Mattias321 (talk) 14:17, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
The page went crazy again. I already requested full protection somewhere, but need someone to write a proper wording for such transfer that pending medical. Matthew_hk t c 15:59, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Sorry to bother AGAIN, but help/mediation needed here,
i have been told to stop ABUSING article when the other users (user? M.O. seems the same, at least as far the infobox changes are concerned) link country (in this case Spain), insert ALL appearances in box instead of just league ones. Those are the most important details (the other could be that they address Mr. Balliu as a "defender" instead of a "full-back", and he cannot play as a stopper.
Can anyone reinforce this message so that these users (USER? And my next polite question is: can this be a case of sockpuppetry?) do not think i am pulling their leg (please see my message here /info/en/?search=User_talk:BrownNotorious#Iv.C3.A1n_Balliu)? Attentively -- Quite A Character ( talk) 18:57, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
The reversion has stopped, but i have received no feedback from User:BrownNotorious and User:Endritoxi (same person, along with User:LluciBOY is what remains to be seen) whatsoever, guess i am the abuser in their eyes. -- Quite A Character ( talk) 20:36, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
FIFA.com (which I usually consider to be the most reliable source) lists Alaa Abdul-Zahra as being born 22 December 1985: http://www.fifa.com/fifa-tournaments/players-coaches/people=268120/index.html. However today Iraq played Syria and the teamsheet for the game (which has FIFA's logo in the top right corner) says he was born 22 December 1987: https://s2.postimg.org/blbss15rb/21034689_1661847517221470_7400990261926644494_n.jpg. So I did some more looking around and found an article on FIFA.com from February 2017 saying he is 29 years old which would mean he's born 1987 and would make the original FIFA.com source wrong: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/y=2017/m=2/news=iraq-s-abdulzahra-keeping-the-faith-2868426.html. I then looked at some other random sites like transfermarkt, soccerway and all those types of sites and they all say 1987. So what do we put as his date of birth on his Wiki page? Hashim-afc ( talk) 17:47, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
Are they really loaning that many players out? I tried to check it out but wasn't sure. Govvy ( talk) 09:59, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
This player's article suffered some severe vandalism from IP editors over the last few months. I believe a semi-protected status is warranted. -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 06:53, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
This club has changed name, after a merge with Royal Mouscron-Péruwelz. Now, we have " Category:Royal Excel Mouscron players" and " Category:Royal Mouscron-Péruwelz players"...
Shouldn't they be merged? Attentively -- Quite A Character ( talk) 17:09, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
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Surely in articles it should say Germany or Italy national team, as there isnt a German or Italian narional team Kind regards Chocolate Rabbit 09:43, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
I got a whole 10 results, mostly to a computer game site, and Google asked if I'd meant "plays for the german national team". cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 10:58, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
This is one of the most pointless debates ever. It really doesn't matter, they are just different ways of expressing the exact same thing. Jellyman ( talk) 11:58, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but saying that someone "plays for the Germany National Team" is just grammatically incorrect. It's the same as saying someone "speaks the Germany language." To be grammatically correct, you need to use the adjectival form. It should be "the German National Team" in the same way as it should be "the German language." GroveWanderer ( talk) 06:25, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
I really don't have an opinion/interest on which should be used, German team reads slightly more naturally than Germany team but almost no difference. But I would say it's a bit different to the comparison mentioned above with the language. The language spoken by French people is French, but the national football team representing French people is France. Obviously it's therefore also the French national team, but the entity has a name itself, rather than just an adjective form. So, either is correct and either can be used with NEW articles. But there really is no need to go around changing one form to the other in existing pages. There are a lot of other things which could be fixed or improved, please focus your attention on some of them. Crowsus ( talk) 13:46, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
According to the KNVB, each edition since its rebrand is denoted by a roman numeral like the Super Bowl. [18] Should this be reflected in the individual articles? VEO one five 11:08, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi just trying to get some consensus. Today I reverted the stats table of Aidan Nesbitt to reflect his appearances for Celtic and their Under 20s separately. No issue at all with the other editor as he was trying to tidy up the table. The issue concerns the Scottish Challenge Cup where academy sides (which are reserve sides in their own league, not full B teams in the senior system) play against senior clubs. The same situation exists for the EFL Trophy in England. So in my opinion, it is inaccurate to record the appearances/goals for the academy teams as first team appearances, but they have are senior Cup games so far should appear on a stats table. So to me, the only way to do that clearly is to have separate rows for the academy cup matches.
There seems to be little consistency in recording this. For example, Demarai Gray (which I haven't edited) is displayed they way I would suggest it should be; Liam Feeney has an EFL Trophy game added to his Blackburn total, giving him an 'extra' game for their first team (the same way Nesbitt had been changed to); and Conor McAleny doesn't have EFL Trophy games in his stats table at all, although the cup article for last season showed him playing and scoring for Everton U23 in it.
At present this is all pretty minor but it could get increasingly messy as the seasons roll on and more players who played as youngsters in these cups become well known professionals. By the the way, Soccerway have the Challenge Cup and EFL Trophy listed on their site for each player, under separate academy team entries, so (thankfully) it's easy enough to source and check information on those tournaments. Crowsus ( talk) 10:32, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
I was trying to update his stats, but I am getting really confused. Can someone please fix it for me as my maths at times isn't that great, part of my confusion is the lack of subtotal row for the first two seasons in the table, this stupid not adding up loan seasons or single seasons is really hard for ppl like me to understand these tables at times. It's not very helpful for ppl with dyslexia. Govvy ( talk) 10:48, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi all, I'm looking to create a page for South African footballer Lorenzo Gordinho. I can't do so, though because the name has been protected due to old violations by previous creators before he passed the eligibility test. The player is now a regular for top-flight side Kaizer Chiefs F.C. and has played for the national team so I don't see any of the old issues being a problem anymore. Is there an admin who could assist me with this? Cheers, Liam E. Bekker ( talk) 11:47, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Would an uninvolved admin please take a look at this merger discussion and possibly closing it? It has been going for two months, an unnecessary time if you ask me considering that all the participants seems to agree. If this isn't a valid discussion or the pages cannot be merged or moved please let me know. Thank you. Inter&anthro ( talk) 17:35, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi. I'm trying to update and correct the infobox for the 2017 Vietnamese Second Division, but when I try to add a new row, for example, "promoted" to list the teams who were promoted, it's says "saved" but then doesn't appear in the updated Infobox. Any help John arneVN ( talk) 07:12, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Ah. I didn't realise that there were preset parameters! Thanks ChrisTheDude John arneVN ( talk) 07:36, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Please can people come and offer their feedback for the proposal at Talk:2017_CFU_Club_Championship#Requested move 5 September 2017.
Thanks.
TheBigJagielka ( talk) 22:14, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
No replies so far at Talk:Ahmed Hegazy regarding the spelling of his name in English language media. Would very much welcome the thoughts of other WP:FOOTY editors. Cheers. -- Jameboy ( talk) 22:53, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Since in no way do I want to engage in any "holier-than-thou" attitude with my reversions here, a doubt before this escalates:
since Sporting has sold his rights, and Leicester City was not allowed to register player yet, do you folks think his intro should read "...is a Portuguese footballer who plays as a central midfielder", without mentioning any club?
Attentively, sorry for any inconvenience -- Quite A Character ( talk) 11:33, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
I don't think Turan is a helpful parallel. FIFA are refusing to process the registration of Silva with Leicester. It's possible (maybe even likely) that if their appeal against FIFA's decision fails they may try to argue that Silva is still a Sporting player and that they should not have to pay the transfer fee. Whereas Turan signed for Barcelona in full knowledge that he could not be registered for some time. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 13:08, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Can some admin talk to the users who tried to vandalize Zlatan Ibrahimović's infobox again and again? Matthew_hk t c 06:55, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
User:Iggy the Swan is running through articles changing game to match saying what I put in the title here. I really don't understand whats wrong with using the word game for a football match here and there. I really don't want articles to look too formal as if they were written by a Vulcan, it would be horrible reading! Govvy ( talk) 11:39, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
As discussed in Koavf's talk page. How to deal with situation such as Ireland national football team (1882–1950)? Irish had the right cat Irish association footballers, but Republic of China (Taiwan) did not. Republic of China (Taiwan) once call-up many footballers from Hong Kong (as the government of "free zone China"), including the success in the Asian Games as well as participation in 1960 Summer Olympics. Until today Hong Kong people still eligible to Republic of China nationality, but nowadays require onshore "naturalization" period, but Hong Kong people can't represent Taiwan in today FIFA regulation. However, in the past it can as Chinese diaspora. In today standard non of them were related to modern border of Taiwan the country nor Taiwanese diaspora. It look likes representing all Irish team is not equal as Northern Irish footballers. Matthew_hk t c 18:37, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion about the addition of France's Division 1 Féminine to the notability essay WP:FPL. The minimum salary deemed "fully professional" is also being discussed. Input is welcome at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues#French Women's League. Hmlarson ( talk) 11:45, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
The following situation: I think in the past it has been established that we divide honours into "club" and "international", not "club" and "national team", am i correct? Also, i think it was established a long time ago we don't use numbers in display of honours won, ESPECIALLY in the case of (1) or (2), am i correct?
A fellow user (which has been notified to participate here by me, don't fret) thinks differently, and reverted me accusing me of not explaining my changes (I did, of course my summary can use some more tact as habitually! But I DID write an explanatory note). Also in honours, i tried to display the full name of competition - why remove the "Argentine" when several other countries also have a league named "Primera División"? - and was reverted)...
Now, for another matter (or not, since i was also reverted here, but here i admit i did not offer any reasons), in the same article: Mr. Corbatta's playing position. A WINGER or a FORWARD? I chose "forward" originally because of the number of goals he scored, but it seems the most correct one would be "right winger" because of the sources (NFT.com, and the new ref i added from Racing Club's official website, where he is called a "puntero derecho" (right winger); all in all, it can be a bit tricky to define, because of the decades he played in (where they engaged in 4-2-4 if not still 2-3-5), but i don't think it's very consistent to name him a forward in a part of the article and a winger elsewhere.
Last but not least, the subject's name: it seems it is "Oreste Omar" and not "Omar Oreste" (in fact, same source says he was registered with a typo, which "left him" named "Oreste Osmar".
Attentively -- Quite A Character ( talk) 16:27, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the input, sincerely :) Let's go bit by bit:
1 - readers don't have the obligation to know where a club comes from, so there is a slight possibility someone might think he had won the Peruvian Primera División and not the Argentine League; 2 - i see what you mean, but we must be consistent, if you notice, the box and the second part of intro say he played as a winger and the first part of intro say he was a forward. We MUST adjust that, don't you think?
3 - since you don't seem to oppose, i'll also adjust his full name, if you see his biography from Racing's official web you will notice him being name "Oreste O(s)mar" and not "Omar Oreste". Happy week, thanks again -- Quite A Character ( talk) 20:59, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
I've been asked to comment by Quite A Character. It is standard practice to not include numbers in the honours section, and to use to the section headings "Club" and "International". Mattythewhite ( talk) 22:58, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
Adam Federici was loaned by Bournemouth to Nottingham Forest, but due to him being injured during international duty both clubs have agreed to rescind the loan and he's back at Bournemouth before playing for Nottingham Forest (and I don't think he trained with them either). My question is, should his loan to Nottingham Forest be kept in the infobox? (obviously there should be a couple of sentences about it in the main article prose). -- SuperJew ( talk) 15:33, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
I don't know if it's just incompetence or a misunderstanding, but can someone please visit the talk page for FC Steaua București and see what the issue is over this user's requested change regarding the establishment of the club? The user has been asked multiple times to establish a consensus for the change, but they still create requests for similar changes. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) ( talk) 20:39, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Happened for the second time (at least!), so i bring this to the attention of the "commission": who else thinks that the "Remarks on homosexuality" section (sourced, of course, which it is) belongs in the article? An anon "user" does not seem to think so (personal friend of Mr. Berizzo? A simple VANDAL? Who knows?), and removes the entire section with summaries like "Reduced unnecessary content" or "Not pertinent to the wiki article"; since one action was performed in England and the other in Saudi Arabia, it's quite possible that it's not even the same person.
If the vast majority of the people here think that it's not relevant then i'm at ease, next time they (or he/she?) remove(s) the content then it stays removed, as far as i'm concerned at least. I'd also like to apologize to WP at large for my outburst in summary (an admin can block me and I will not protest the very least), but i find actions such as these to be very VERY frustrating.
Attentively, sorry for any inconvenience -- Quite A Character ( talk) 18:19, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the detailed input, but just one pointer: personal life (and akin) stuff goes BEFORE the honours and the statistics and not AFTER, per WP:FOOTY consensus (or has it changed again? Could be). -- Quite A Character ( talk) 21:25, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi I am the footballer (LIAM DAVIS) could someone please respond to my full edit request at Talk:Liam Davis (footballer)? Thank you". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liamdavis86 ( talk • contribs) 15:42, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Greetings.
There are a number of players who have been given contract by reserve/B teams of football clubs (I am referring about those reserve clubs which play in the same league system like Werder Bremen II playing in 3.Liga and not about parallel league systems). It is found that some of these players had been an unused substitute for the main squad a couple of times. Now my question is that should we mention that he has played for the senior team in the infobox? For example,
Ivan Prtajin was signed by the reserve/youth team of Udinese. He was an unused substitute for Udinese senior team in a match. By the virtue if it, is the detail shown in the infobox that he has played with Udinese from 2014 to 2017 correct or wrong?
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talk) 17:05, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
This is a notification that a user has requested a move at Template talk:German Regionalliga (football). All are invited to participate. TonyBallioni ( talk) 15:37, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
The 2017–18 Under 20 Elite League article has been nominated for deletion. Please come and provide your feedback at the nomination. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 22:13, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
In lead of some articles such Real Madrid and FC Barcelona there is a claim: "that squad is recognised by some as the greatest of all-time". Is not a POV and WP:PEACOCK for delete? 190.113.209.224 ( talk) 17:37, 13 September 2017 (UTC)