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Can I just point out the comical 'consensus' in the above discussion which was listed on the project page. I don't disagree with the merge at all, but the fact that the parties involved were a registered user with no other input on either the English or Spanish wiki than working on these articles, and then two mysterious IP users with similar codes whose sole interest is also CF Salmantino and are both very keen to get involved in agreeing to the move. It would surely have been better just to boldly move the article (which explains the reasons in its text) and take any flak that came from it - probably none - rather than this obvious and unnecessary puppetry farce? Crowsus ( talk) 07:28, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Greetings all. I came across this article while monitoring New Editor's Contributions and I thought I'd bring it to the attention of this Wikiproject. The subject of the article appears to meet WP:NFOOTY and needs improvement by someone a lot more knowledgeable about football than I am. Regards Exemplo347 ( talk) 01:41, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
This page is about Benfica Juniors, a very concrete section of Benfica's youth football system. The Junior term referes only the U19 players. The U17, U15 and U13 are called Juvenis, Iniciados and Infantis, respectively. I think this page should focus only on the U19 players, the honour section should only mention the U19 honours. The same for the page's header. The Current squad and the Technical staff sections are only about the Juniors. I think the page need some coherence. P3DRO ( talk) 15:27, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Player pages linked to by {{ Goalzz}} appear to have no content. Can someone familiar with the site please look into this? Meanwhile, I'm going to disable the template. @ Sm3a: for info. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:58, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Probably not that big of a deal but would this guy be notable? Thanks Inter&anthro ( talk) 17:42, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
It's come to my attention that the height paramater in {{ Infobox football biography}} automatically converts from metric to imperial and vice versa. Great - except it displays metric in cm, which, as those of you who will remember the big debate on this matter we had a few years ago, is not what we use. Anybody know how to adjust it to display in m? Giant Snowman 09:01, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Atalanta player Mattia Caldara was signed by Juventus in January, but will remain at Atalanta until 2018 on loan. What is the correct way this should be shown in the infobox, as the brackets are already closed a year in advance? Danieletorino2 ( talk) 12:34, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
As part of an attempt to tidy the Hillsborough disaster page, I came across the Taylor Report article, which had almost no info about the findings of the report itself. Any help greatly appreciated, especially from those who (unlike me), know anything about football. Pincrete ( talk) 17:37, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, I have done one more of these merge suggestions, don't see any need for a separate article on Inverted winger; regardless of whether a winger is considered a forward or midfielder, this sub-type can/should be added into the same larger article. I have added the merge proposal talk here. Crowsus ( talk) 13:53, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
Stumbled across this. I can't imagine why anyone would search for it, as opposed to NCFC, so I'd suggest deletion rather than redirection. Thoughts, before I prod? -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 11:55, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Norwich's youth system was prodigious at uncovering talent in the period 10-30 years ago, less so these days, although they are still well regarded. I just can't think why any reader would come looking for it, and on top of that I'm unsure it'd pass WP:V for coverage beyond local media. -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 12:47, 21 February 2017 (UTC) I'm thinking AfD might be more sensible. -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 12:48, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Academy/reserve/youth teams can be notable, but they need to meet WP:GNG independently i.e. there is no assumption that because the parent team is notable, so are the kids. Giant Snowman 08:07, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Agree above with Struway2 and Number57 - articles on the youth system as a whole can be notable, but not always, and certainly not Derby U23s! No need for reserve season articles. Giant Snowman 21:19, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Is Marcelo Allende a notable youth? Qed237 (talk) 15:23, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
@ Gricehead, Hack, and Struway2: Now at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcelo Allende. Qed237 (talk) 22:47, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Recently I came across this mention of Sikiru Olatunbosun. A quick search yielded more than 45,000 results. Also the Nigerian top division is considered a professional league. So does this mean that the article passes WP:NFOOTY or should I wait to start the article? Thanks Inter&anthro ( talk) 19:42, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
As seen for example in Pep Guardiola, Sergio Ramos or Xavi, are captaincy templates still being used? I am certain I saw a discussion here where it was agreed they were to be discontinued.
On a related note, User:Puente aereo (who reinstated said templates) also removed the reliable NFT.com link in several articles. Attentively -- 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 10:16, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
While putting tgether some info I noticed that Inside forward has its own article when everything else in that type of position is under Forward (association football) (I think other merges have taken place in the past?) Anyway, inside forward seems to have slipped through but I can't think why it would need its own article, surely a section in Forward is sufficient. I have added a merge proposal and explanation here. Hope nobody has any issues with this but I'm sure if you do you'll let me know! Crowsus ( talk) 11:33, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
Someone recreated the article in Doyen Sports (by translating French wiki). I did not remember what i write in the previous deleted version (roughly written about Doyen Sports but in Doyen Group namespace), but it look the same as the reasoning of AfD. Go to deletion review the verify WP:GNG or CSD it? Matthew_hk t c 05:52, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
@ GiantSnowman: @ MicroX: @ Nixie9: Matthew_hk t c 09:02, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
IP shenanigans at Phoenix club (sports) again. — Cliftonian (talk) 17:04, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Hey, i saw assists added at the 2016–17 Atlético Madrid season and removed them because of past discussions. 81.236.220.87 ( talk · contribs) reverted me twice and accused my of vandalism. Just want to be sure i did the right thing? And can someone else have a look, don't want an edit war and 3RR... Kante4 ( talk) 20:16, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
There has been some more vandalism of the Nelson page. No doubt the most recent updates will be reversed soon by someone with roll-back privilege. However, the three edits by 86.138.25.149, made on 24 February, also need to be reversed. Indeed, as it stands right now, the article could be rolled-back to BigDom's contribution on 21 February. Drawoh46 ( talk) 10:33, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Is Soccerway preferrable over other languages' reliable sources? Because Liam E. Bekker reverted my edits on Álvaro Domínguez Soto without a single word explaining why, and didn't reply even after my message on his talk page. So, I thought he may be thinking he's the correct one, I really don't know. We are trying to make use of WP:BRD, but other people seem to care so little to this guideline...
And, of course, all references from other languages must (it's a must, right?) be translated for a decent understanding of the readers, right? MYS 77 ✉ 20:28, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
First things first: I only have TWO IPs (one from work, this one from my home), not multiple ones. I did most of the improvements on the page before you stepped in, and I can assure you I did not use Google Translate while translating the foreign sources as you imply. I also fail to see the need to have the subject's surname (in this case "Domínguez") written to exhaustion in the same paragraph, when "he" suffices perfectly.
Speaking of assurance, you also have my word I will not touch the article anymore, out of respect for other people's work and to avoid pointless edit wars and/or accusations. Attentively -- 85.242.133.151 ( talk) 21:34, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
This player spent 2004-2005 with Aberdeen - should he be in Category:Aberdeen F.C. players? I say yay, @ Jmorrison230582: says nay... Giant Snowman 18:48, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
To cover some points - @ Kante: how do you know he didn't have a contract of some kind with the club? @ Crowsus: why has it suddenly dropped from 16 to 14? @ Jogurney: no I don't think it would make sense. Fabregas left Barcelona at 16, if he had never re-joined them as an adult would you exclude him from the category? If you sub-categorise, would you include players who played for youth and senior team in both? Giant Snowman 07:58, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
I think an appropriate solution would be to have a subcat for each club (i.e. "X F.C. youth/academy players"), for cases where the player was with a club in that period of their development. This would include both groups of players, i.e. those who later played in that club's first team and those that moved on, as it would look a bit odd if you had (say) "Manchester United youth/academy players" cat which included Robbie Savage but excluded Ryan Giggs. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 11:42, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
As I understand it, the category for a club is added when the player signs (even if they don't play for the club), while the category for a league is added only once the player plays a game in the league. Seems to me it should be the same case for both types of categories, no? -- SuperJew ( talk) 19:58, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
So what's the solution? Nobody has been able to strongly suggest one, so I suggest we keep the status quo for now. Giant Snowman 08:06, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
It seems to me that the consensus here is to create "youth player" categories. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 12:37, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Further to the recent discussions suggest that one article relating to the lower sections of various clubs would be more useful/credible for notability than two (or more), I have made a few merge proposals for articles which are not following the more common Reserves[or Under 23s] and Academy model in England.
The articles concerned are for Reading ( 1) / ( 2), Charlton ( 1) / ( 2), West Ham ( 1) / ( 2) / 3), Spurs ( 1) / ( 2), Arsenal ( 1) / ( 2) and Southampton ( 1) ( 2).
I realise editors involved in updating the articles may not agree with the suggestion so in addition to the merge section on the article talk pages I will point them to here (there is also a link to the earlier discussion for reference) to comment if needed. Thanks. Crowsus ( talk) 13:34, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
The bottom two paragraphs of the A.C. Milan history section are borderline illegible, and I don't believe warrant that much attention in the summary of the near 120 year history of such a prestigious club and I'm saying this as a complete neutral. I mean, there's almost as much written about a proposed change in ownership as Milan's entire success in the 1980s-1990s (countless league titles and several Champions League titles). Does it even matter that the club could be potentially Chinese owned? The Chelsea F.C. article summarises the sale to Roman Abramovich in one sentence! Danieletorino2 ( talk) 15:24, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
I am finding him disruptive I've already mentioned a few different things to him, like the citation being at the end of the paragraph on White Hart Lane, be he continues to be disruptive. Govvy ( talk) 10:45, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
I see people adding expatriates categories for countries players are no longer in, shouldn't those categories be removed once that footballer is no longer working in said country? For instance Giovani dos Santos has multitude number of cats for England, Turkey and Spain. Are these categories not no longer needed? expatriate or not, surely the cat's should be removed once that footballer is no longer in the country? And there are a fair number of articles of footballers that have category problems in my opinion. Govvy ( talk) 11:47, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Govvy ( talk) 13:36, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
@ Govvy: you don't even understand what is saying. Please keep Category:Mexican expatriate sportspeople in the United Kingdom and Category:Mexican expatriates in England, it is not overcategerzation but Category:X expatriate footballers in Y Matthew_hk t c 15:45, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
Lincoln's win over Burnley has been deemed notable, and now features on the main page. What are people's thoughts about Bradford's win over Chelsea? Is it worth moving into mainspace? Giant Snowman 12:03, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
Is the second individual honour in this player worth something (a NEWSPAPER team of the year)? I have been removing it in several players, but now myself have been reverted by a reliable user.
If it is, I apologize for any inconvenience and will revert all my edits regarding this particular accolade. Attentively -- 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 14:36, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Should not be included per WP:NOTGALLERY; so please can somebody inform @ Chuckdisi: over at Antigua and Barbuda national football team? Ta. Giant Snowman 18:28, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
How about a bot that automatically updates tables? The bot would take input from the sites that are customised at User:DatBot/footyconfig, and could either update a page that is transcluded onto the template (such as what Defconbot did) or it could edit the template directly. The only manual thing would be to edit the bot's settings for relegations and promotions I believe. It would also be possible to turn off one of the leagues that the bot would manage, if there would be some weird event that the source updated incorrectly. Dat Guy Talk Contribs 22:36, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
How much statistics is too much statistics, with respect to WP:NOTSTATS ?
I have reverted edits (twice) from @ Callofworld: who has been creating statistical compilation of matches for a number of minor tournaments - including see Talk:Algarve Cup - and then they are reverted back saying it is my Personal Impression and Personal Taste, and that the WP:NOTSTATS policy isnt Necessary for all articles, and a request to make a separate article for the table (as a "National team appearances in the XXXX Cup", rather than revert ? I consider that such a table for FIFA world cups (Men/Women) may be warranted due to the high importance of the event, but not for every minor tournament. Similar edits to make these tables for other minor tournaments have been made recently by this contributor for tournaments such as OFC Beach Soccer Championship, Peace Queen Cup, Cyprus Cup (recently reverted by @ Snowflake91:), Women's Nordic Football Championship, Africa Beach Soccer Cup of Nations, Nordic Football Championship, Africa Women Cup of Nations, Copa América Femenina. I consider the article on the Algarve Cup already rather unbalanced with respect to tables, and the additional of another long table makes it more so.
Is this sort of detail warranted, or does it set a precedence for every minor tournament to have this level of statistical detail ? Matilda Maniac ( talk) 13:34, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Callofworld ( talk) 15:03, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi, looking for some opinions re a dispute I've had with GiantSnowman re international caps, which can be found here. Essentially, what I want to know is what do we regard as acceptable, e.g. caps approved by relevant football association, only caps approved by FIFA etc? The dispute was borne out of what National-Football-Teams.com regard as 'FIFA' and 'Non FIFA' matches, when they seem to include matches played between two FIFA-approved teams in that category. I mean, if we only go by what NFT regard as official FIFA matches, then we wouldn't include any of Gibraltar's matches in UEFA qualification, which NFT regard to be be 'Non FIFA'. To me, this would be counter-intuitive, factually inaccurate and a bit bonkers. Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 00:13, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
The article Robert Goethals was somehow appearing in the non-existent Category:Pages using infobox ftball biography with unknown param, so I went to see if I coukd tidy it up.
It appears to have been using a lot of parameters which are not documented in Template:Infobox football biography, so I commented out the paras which seemed to be causing errors. [1]
Please could some more familiar with Template:Infobox football biography see if they can sort it out?
Thanks! -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 09:07, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
So Zanzibar is a full member now. Anyway, sorting the list Confederation of African Football#CAF members by date i wondered why Kenya is listed as joining in 2012. FIFA and CAF credit is as 1960. Football Kenya Federation has correct dates in the infobox, but the text is worded totally different. There was a rival association from 2011 to 2015, maybe that's why. Any expert on African football able to clarify the situation? - Koppapa ( talk) 06:27, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
There is no source which backs up what is in the stats table. Soccerbase has nothing on his Standard Liege career while the Guardian source disagrees with the league appearances. The cup and continental stats seem to have been pulled out of thin air. His Soccerway profile (which is currently not used for stats) also has different league and continental apps and nothing on cup appearances.
What is the solution to an issue like this? I propose just matching up the table exactly with what is in his Soccerway profile (always found it far more reliable for non-English leagues) and removing the links to Soccerbase and the Guardian. This would mean just setting the cup apps to zero so can I do this or is there another solution?
Stuart1234 ( talk) 14:02, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Alright cheers I'll look into it. Stuart1234 ( talk) 21:44, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Greetings all. I just closed an Article for Deletion discussion regarding Jim Wright (footballer, born 1910) on the basis that this person meets WP:FOOTY. I'm not very knowledgeable about football, so if any of the members of this WikiProject are able to improve this article (particularly the sourcing) I'd be very grateful. Thanks in advance! Exemplo347 ( talk) 00:38, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
I noticed a lot that nicknames keep going into the infobox on the club page, being removed and so on, but a lot of strange unsourced edits on the page. I was wondering if the page should be semi-protected for a few weeks? Govvy ( talk) 15:44, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi. Giampiero Boniperti is one of Juventus' all-time appearances and goal-scoring holder. My question is whether to include his appearances and goals played in the Latin Cup, Coppa dell'Amicizia and the Copa Rio as part of his grand total? Would any of these tournaments count in official tallies? Maybe under "other"? Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 21:01, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
Someone has removed some of the links in the infobox on Robbie Keane under overlink rules, I didn't think you were suppose to apply that rule in the info boxes so wanted to double check, cheers. Govvy ( talk) 13:05, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
Walter Görlitz and I, both contributors to the Seattle Reign FC page, have encountered an issue that we are seeking input from WP:FOOTY members. Our dispute is regarding the use of zebra striping for tables and is described at User talk:Walter Görlitz#Zebra striping. You can see from the editing history of Seattle Reign FC#Coaching staff that Walter Görlitz insisted on using a zebra striping that colored alternate rows the same shade of gray as the header row. As I described in their user talk page, this stylistic choice is not currently used in any other table listed in FOOTY's manual of style and potentially creates confusion. We were unable to come to a consensus, so as Walter Görlitz suggested I've brought it up here to seek additional input. — Mightytotems ( talk) 16:46, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
I just created Spanish women's football clubs in international competitions, and since there doesn't seem to be any other articles like this in women's football I plan to make it like this for all the other UEFA members that have taken part in the UEFA Women's Cup / UEFA Women's Champions League as well as CONMEBOL members for the Copa Libertadores Femenina. But since some tables I created recently were rejected I thought I should check it before going any further. Is it okay? Pakhtakorienne ( talk) 17:14, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
Thoughts about Al Rams Club? Qed237 (talk) 12:46, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Same editor has also created Masfut Club, Al Hamriyah Club and possibly other non notable articles. CSD? Qed237 (talk) 12:49, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Do Jim Milisavljevic fail WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY? He was a member of Australia national soccer team for 1974 World Cup squad. -- Gonta-Kun ( talk) 08:03, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi. An editor disagrees with me and want to keep all goalscorers at 2016–17 Moldovan National Division as well as referee statistics. Could someone take a look and see if I am doing something wrong here?
Also we have a minor dispute at Template:2016–17 Moldovan National Division table after which the editor told me never to edit moldovan articles, if you want to look at that as well. Qed237 (talk) 21:31, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
I'm that editor. Qed237, if you really care about Moldovan football,especially 2016–17 Moldovan National Division please instead of deleting everything ,help and improve it.this page needs lots of work,is outdated.what kind of editor you are if you can only delete others people work ? Please help by improving. About goal scorers.only top ten are listed,other are hidden(for calculation).i will edit probably this later,but I need a list from there I can start.don't ruin others people work which sometimes took hours. About template.you was wrong from the beginning and vandalised the page by reverting.what was the point to add( every time) 2017-2018 Moldovan A Division season ???? Next Moldovan A division season will be transitional 2017,cause they change to Spring-Autumn. By not knowing this fact you vandalized again and again. How can you add wrong information on Wikipedia ??? Check it before adding anything please. About Petrocub.the official name of the team is Petrocub-Hincesti (with dash) this is the source [ [2]] press editia 16-17,and you can see.this team renamed a year ago,and has a double name (with dash). Exactly the same situation like the other club with double name in Moldovan football FC Dinamo-Auto. Anyway,just wanted to repeat.all the articles on Wikipedia does not belong to you.you can't just delete whatever you desire,just because you don't like it.you are acting all the time like dictator,by thinking you are only one right man all the time. Kolya77 ( talk) 23:27, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
In pages such as the 2014 FIFA World Cup squads and 2010 FIFA World Cup squads, we currently have listed that AS Monaco are a French club, but Cardiff City and Swansea City are shown as Welsh, Wellington Phoenix are shown as Kiwi and Toronto FC are Canadian. Let's get a blanket ruling once and for all, up in this bitch.
So, are they the nationality of their club's location, or their league's competition? - J man708 ( talk) 21:39, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
I was doing a little improvement to Les Allen and noticed his first game was for Briggs Sports, however I am confused to were the editor who wrote a lot of it got the information from for the page, I was wondering if anyone know of a good resource to find some information about the team so I can provide some citation. Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 19:21, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi there. I randomly noticed OsoiEdward ( talk · contribs) changing the captain designations in various articles to other players. I am not familiar enough with the topic to easily find sources confirming these changes to be correct, so I was wondering whether someone from this project could take a look and see if I'm just paranoid or not. Regards So Why 06:35, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Would Emma Clarke qualify for an article? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 15:46, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Should division names such as the Isthmian League Premier Division and Southern League Premier Division be written in full in career stats tables, or should they be abbreviated like this? LTFC 95 ( talk) 22:51, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Christian Pulisic plays in Europe but is American, is he considered a soccer player or a footballer? Also, his biography seems to contain a lot of unnecessary information such as starting appearances and goals in friendlies. I also question whether an 18 year old player with 30 professional appearances really needs three subsections. Danieletorino2 ( talk) 00:00, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
A user has moved Malaysia Super League and its season pages to Liga Super, saying that's the official name. Can anyone familiar take a look and make sure if it's the right thing to do? Coderzombie ( talk) 07:59, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Malaysian news sources
Other sources from the region
I invite editors to assist with expanding the article about the recently unveiled Bust of Cristiano Ronaldo. There are additional sources shared on the article's talk page. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:37, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:54, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Did this chap really play for Millwall? FORADEJOGO says he had one appearance to kickstart his senior career, and two different interwikis also claim he appeared for them (but the timeframes do not match), has zero credit without a source of course.
I begun to have second thoughts on this after reverting an anon user in the piece who may have been in the right even though the info was inserted shabbily, now come here to find closure. Attentively -- 85.242.133.151 ( talk) 02:34, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Many thanks y'all, info retrieved to article! But i have another doubt, if you please: if he was only a trialist, do you folks think a club category should be added? -- 85.242.133.151 ( talk) 20:28, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi all.
Stumbled across the player James Demetriou on Soccerway and noticed he has made one appearance for Karmiotissa in the Cypriot Cup. According to the fully professional leagues page the Cypriot First Division is classed as professional, I know the app. wasn't in that competition but it's my understanding that if a player has made an appearance in a cup competition for an FPL club he is eligible for a Wikipedia article; although I'm not sure if that's 100% the case, it isn't quite clear. To get to my point, I was going to create the page but realised I couldn't due to it being deleted three times previously (pre-this Cypriot Cup appearance), so now only administrators can create it.
In short: A) Is he now eligible for an article? B) Could an admin create it, or is there a way to remove the admin only creation? I'm not sure for certain either way.
Cheers. R96Skinner ( talk) 22:00, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi. Recently I've noticed Messirulez change the country subheading to "international" (which I thought was fine because that's usually how I see it) but Macosal reverted an edit like this on Matthew Ryan per Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players. To me, international would make more sense as that's usually the subheading we use for international stats as well. Country doesn't seem correct in some cases if a player has played for more than one country. I would propose an amendment to the guideline if enough people agree for the sake of consistency. Thanks, Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 19:02, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
Would someone from footy mind taking a look at the edits of Rickym2525. The editor is new seems to be making good faith attempts to improve national youth team articles, but most of what they are adding looks like a bit of WP:ORish and is not supported by any sources. I've undid a few of the edits, but I'm not sure how to clean up Spain national under-17 football team. FWIW, if the edits being made are actually OK, then feel free to undo my reverts. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 23:59, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
How is it possible that to modify Template:Fb rs in a season article, so a won match results in 2 points, not in 3 points? I'd like to use it for a season when 2 points were awarded for a win, so the point account is "real". -Lemmy- ( talk) 11:09, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
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to switch the win value to 2 points instead of 3.
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Hoping to get some assistance regarding personal details of a couple of early 20th century Scottish players who by coincidence both played for Liverpool - Thomas Robertson (footballer, born 1875) and Donald McKinlay. I won't bore you with the details but I think they were born in the same place however the sources I can view don't confirm this. If it seems like something that you could help with or would be interested in, I have put a bit of explanation on the article talk pages already (but no replies there). Thanks. Crowsus ( talk) 08:36, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
There's already a few folk updating Celtic's latest title win, confirmed today, in the relevant articles. I'd have thought this isn't a good idea until the season is actually finished as articles might get inconsistent, and other users might update them for a second time at that point. But technically it's correct that they have won the title. What is the consensus on when these things should be updated? Crowsus ( talk) 15:21, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
Officially FC Steaua București has changed their name to "FC FCSB" after a dispute with the romanian army (see ESPN article and The Sun). Also sites like Soccerway and even UEFA has already changed team name to FCSB. Should we change as well or should it stay at "Steaua București" per WP:COMMONNAME? Qed237 (talk) 09:09, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi all, I'd just like to bring it to this page's attention that there are quite a few football articles on the GA nominations page which are awaiting review. Reviewing is not my strong point but if there are any editors who can assist in addressing the nominations please do so. Cheers, Liam E. Bekker ( talk) 09:42, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Can the "edit war" on his nationality qualified for full page protection? It look silly that recent changes were all about his nationality back and forth from Italian to Argentine. It looks wasting wikipedia resource on such "contribution". Matthew_hk t c 10:33, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
The National-Football-Team.com source has given players caps for this game even though it was abandoned in the 88th minute. In the Ivory Coast national football team artice there seems to have been a decision not to add caps for this game with the following note: "Match abandoned, for field invasion, after 88 minutes on the score of 1-1. Presences and goals NOT to be counted unless official decisions"
Is there any precedent for this and how was it dealt with? If we are not counting it as a cap then we will have to add notes to every relevant player with a NFT.com source. Stuart1234 ( talk) 00:43, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
Hey editors. What are your thoughts on the notability of Antonio Conte's Chelsea managerial section? He hasn't even spent 12 months at the club and the section is already longer than his two years with Italy, and three with Juventus:
"His side managed two more wins against Watford and Burnley, before drawing 2–2 away against Swansea City on 11 September 2016."
"On 16 September, Conte suffered his first loss, a 2–1 home defeat to Liverpool,[62] which was followed by a 3–0 defeat to Arsenal on 24 September 2016."
"He then went on to win three straight games without conceding a goal, defeating Hull City, Leicester City, and Manchester United 2–0,[64] 3–0[65] and 4–0[66] respectively; football analysts and journalists opined that his "tactical shift" from a 4–2–3–1 formation to a 3–4–3, with his trade-mark three-man back-line and wingbacks, was responsible for the club's transformation."
This is way too much information and the journalistic opinion on his tactics doesn't seem biographical at all. What are your thoughts? Danieletorino2 ( talk) 02:14, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Can we get Malaysia Super League protected? Especially move protected. @JebatMalaya seems determined to unilaterally dictate the page. LordAtlas ( talk) 03:34, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Is the
Kenyan Premier League considered a fully-professional league to qualify for item #3 of
WP:NFOOTBALL? It's not listed at
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Fully_professional_leagues. --
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18:10, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Last night, an American team changed their name from the catchy Rochester River Dogz to Rochester Lancers. There are already two articles about teams with the name at Rochester Lancers and Rochester Lancers (2011–15).
I've moved the River Dogz article to Rochester Lancers (NPSL).
Should Rochester Lancers be moved to Rochester Lancers (1967–80) (with related links and categories updated to reflect the change), and Rochester Lancers (NPSL) be moved to Rochester Lancers as they are the only active team with the name, albeit an amateur one? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 20:02, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
With your expertise can you say whether Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2017_April_7#Major_achievements_in_soccer_by_nation please? (The fact that WP:SOCCER redirects to WP:FOOTBALL suggests it may not be.) Si Trew ( talk) 20:04, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
The second table down says Wins by club, but it has 0 with runners up in rank 37 and 0 for rank 35 and 34 for runners up, I was curious is those runners up really that notable? Govvy ( talk) 23:06, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
I don't know if this is an appropriate place to ask for people who want to help me get the South Africa leagues pages up to date? Freddie2016 ( talk) 14:49, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
The 2016-17 South African Premier Division is always up to date. I didn't even think to look at how up to date the Premier Soccer League page is, or how that can be bettered. I like the ideas that you gave User:Liam E. Bekker. I am going to do some research for those ideas. I'd love if you would check in every no and then to see if you can make anything better (especially in terms of the look of the page(s). All the other leagues ( 2016-17 National First Division and 2016-17 SAFA Second Division, and not even mentioning the SAFA Regional League and the leagues below the Regional Leagues' pages) are so far behind and/or non-existant. Where do one get info for all those leagues? Any suggestions will help. Freddie2016 ( talk) 09:53, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
I was involved in a dispute with the user Efc1878 earlier over incorrect timestamps. He has been adding them correctly recently by typing five tildes like I told him. However, when I changed edits on Everton players pages when I noticed incorrect international update timestamps, he reverted me for some reason.
Can a third party here change the edits back on Idrissa Gueye and Mason Holgate's articles because I have already reverted this user a good few times and don't want to be dragged into a needless edit war over something so trivial.
Cheers. Mórtas is Dóchas ( talk) 21:16, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Mr Gueye's last international appearance was on 23 March in a match that according to Soccerway, kicked off at 20:00. Efc1878 set it to 22:03, 23 March, which is after the end of that match, so was correct. If you're bringing the stats uptodate as of "now", it's better to use the timestamp generated by five tildes (if you're editing with a device that has that character readily available), because there's less chance of making a mistake than if you just change the date to that of the match without changing the time. But so long as the timestamp is after the end of the last match included in the stats and before any other match in which the player appeared, it's correct. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 22:04, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
The thing is he has been doing this with all Everton players. For example this shows that on Séamus Coleman's article, he added a timestamp which was over 17 hours before the match had even started. I'm trying to be consistent with it. Mórtas is Dóchas ( talk) 22:14, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Thank you @ PrimeHunter: for supplying the link to the documentation: I should have done the same. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 22:30, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi there. I have no idea until now that Mórtas is Dóchas ( talk) actually started this conversation with the moditaor and stabbed me in my back. Nice. I concur that the exact time figure of the timestamp can be more precise. I am not denying that, at all. In fact, I started to add additional timing figure (with UTC) for my editing from yesterday. Nevertheless, I agree with Vaseline and Liam. A reader would want to know the date of the last match a player had participated in a domestic league or on international duty, not when some random editor decided to update the timestamp when nothing regarding the statistics can be updated. For instance, the case of Seamus Coleman. Coleman last played for Ireland and thus broken his right leg on 24 March 2017. My initial intention was always plain and simple, that is, to provide the most accurate statistics for readers. We learn from the page the exact date of a game being played by an individual and not edited by someone who deemed he can edit the timestamp whenever he likes even there is nothing to update. Bearing in mind Coleman's 43rd cap for Ireland came on 24 March 2017 and that is the reason why my timestamp was so precise and that was dated 24 March 2017 even I edited the page a couple of hours following the match between Ireland vs Wales. Mortas and his multi reverted my editing and timestamp when they deem they are not happy with the exact and precise statistics (like the Coleman case, he had to keep changing it to 2am 25 March 2017). All the initial update and statistics were done by me a few hours, sometimes a day later...after the matches. This applied to all those pages involving Everton players. Vaseline was spot on and continued to make another great point "this may also cause confusion when another editor goes to update the timestamp since it may not be apparent up to which match the timestamp was updated for". Kindly consider our viewpoint and suggestion on this issue. Cheers mods. Efc1878 ( User talk:Efc1878) 9:13, 10 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.140.168.46 ( talk)
|club-update=match played dd mmm yy
, which IMO was neat, tidy and unambiguous, but some editors took against it. cheers,
Struway2 (
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12:43, 10 April 2017 (UTC)Hopefully the administrator will make a decision on the issue. The like in Mórtas is Dóchas ( talk) and his friends reverted the timestamps I modified in the first place to suit their agenda. I literally got banned temporarily for putting precise statistics (by reverting his change recently) and timestamps when the players were played on the material day. If possible, I update the statistics and timestamps on the day when a player played. Shall I continue to update the pages because some users kept changing the timestamps and the things I add (with reference of course) to the pages? Efc1878 ( User talk:Efc1878) 17:18, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
There have been multiple changes to List of association football competitions today. It may just be a case of personal preference because I can't say definitively that either version is better. Although, I think some competitions have not made it to the new version (I have not had the chance to check yet). What are the project's guidelines in situations like this? Equineducklings ( talk) 18:26, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
Please come and share your thoughts at Talk:Rochester_Lancers_(1967–80). There's been a dispute over a recent article title change. Thanks. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 16:22, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
I noticed a player is up for AfD saying that Liga II is not fully pro, but as far as I knew it was, all clubs in the first and second leagues have to pay their players, this is why many have financial problems and are relegated to the third tier because that is semi-pro. That and the contract problems of players in the league, if a club is in administration they don't have to pay the players, but will get relegated because of it. 1 Govvy ( talk) 20:44, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Would someone from WP:FOOTY mind taking a look at AO Kardia F.C. and assessing it? Not sure if the club is notable per WP:FOOTYN, and if it isn't then there's no real justification for using a non-free logo in th infobox. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:55, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Tiers 3, 4 and 5 of the French pyrmaid are set to change (by varying degrees) come the start of the 2017–18 season. The changes are as follows:
I for one am glad about the new names as they will hopefully dispel some of the myth that players in these lower divisions are amateur (the definition of amateur is not the same in France as it is in England, for example). Obviously for the first two it should just be a case of renaming their respective articles, since the competition format is not changing.
However, the question is whether the new National 3, and its considerable departure in form from the CFA2 requires its own new article or not? In effect, the National 3 will become the highest division of regional football (as opposed to the current DH), and the competition will be controlled by the regional football associations rather than the FFF. All input on this matter is welcome.
(On a slightly related note, I opened a discussion at WT:FPL earlier about the professional status of the players in the Championnat National. I'm just leaving a link here as I'm aware that this talk page is watched by far more people than the other).
Thanks, BigDom ( talk) 12:41, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
seem altogether to create new article better. Matthew_hk t c 14:38, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
I knew some club wikipedia article had a list of "Club President", but not every club had that position (a company must have chairman of the board of directors. but not every club was a company), then what is the right scope of this section, since Chelsea have both chairman and (honorary) president. [84] Moreover, since the chairman of the BoD in Italian language was Presidente, but Italian club often translated the chairman position as "President" (but don't have both Chairman and President, like some company), then should that position (Presidente del C.d.A.) should correctly translated as chairman in wikipedia, instead of president? Matthew_hk t c 17:41, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Is he notable enough? I know he is notable in Chinese media as a scammer/ex-major shareholder in one shares , which he was fined by the Chinese regulator. Then on official record, the investment management company Sino-Europe Sports Investment Management Changxing Co., Ltd., nor it subsidiary Rossneri Sports Investment Co., Ltd. of Hong Kong, the sole owner was Mr. Chen nor Mr. Li. Chen certainly an associate of Li as Chen acted as director role on official record, but no one know actual contractual relationship between Chen and Li. And now it is more obscured as the takeover SPV was Rossneri Sports Investment Lux, and the funding of send installment of €100M was from a BVI company "Rossoneri Advanced Co., Ltd.". Notability can't be transferred to from the club to related topic, so Li as the reported owner/actual head of the consortium, is he notable? Matthew_hk t c 17:55, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi all.
Probably a noobish question coming up. Does anyone know how to properly update the tables in the 2017 Dallas Cup article? I have had a fiddle around, looked at a few Wiki articles, but can't work out how to rightly update them. When initially putting them into the article, I used the same type of table you'd find on the FIFA World Cup qualifying tables. Have I forgotten to add something along with it, or is there a certain way the table has to be sorted in the edit? I generally have no idea.
Cheers. R96Skinner ( talk) 20:05, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Are Category:Soviet Cup and Category:FC Dinamo Tbilisi matches the correct categories for this article about football player? Player is not the cup season and player is not the club match. What is wrong in my logic? My removal of that categories was reverted by two users without any logic argumentation. [85] 194.50.51.252 ( talk) 11:55, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Footballer of the Year in Russia#Requested move 23 March 2017, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Yashovardhan ( talk) 03:33, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Footballer of the Year in Russia#Requested move 23 March 2017, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Yashovardhan ( talk) 03:33, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
I was looking at Billericay Town F.C. to look at the players there, I noticed one Kreshnic Krasniqi, surely he fails WP:N right? Govvy ( talk) 12:07, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
CONCACAF have published the squad listings for the 2017 CONCACAF U-17 Championship today. Unfortunately, the names that they have used for clubs do not match with what we have on WP:Football. Any help updating the article so that the club is accurate would be appreciated.
In some cases they've added the name of the school that the player attends in place of a club. I'm not entirely convinced that the school names should be included and think they should be displayed as 'Unattached'. What do others think? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 23:01, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Footballer of the Year in Russia#Requested move 23 March 2017, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Yashovardhan ( talk) 03:33, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
I was looking at Billericay Town F.C. to look at the players there, I noticed one Kreshnic Krasniqi, surely he fails WP:N right? Govvy ( talk) 12:07, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
CONCACAF have published the squad listings for the 2017 CONCACAF U-17 Championship today. Unfortunately, the names that they have used for clubs do not match with what we have on WP:Football. Any help updating the article so that the club is accurate would be appreciated.
In some cases they've added the name of the school that the player attends in place of a club. I'm not entirely convinced that the school names should be included and think they should be displayed as 'Unattached'. What do others think? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 23:01, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
What flag should be used for Alexander Nouri? Nouri was born in West Germany to an Iranian father and German mother, and holds dual citizenship to both countries. Nouri was never capped for a senior national team, but he played for the German U15 to U18 national teams in his youth, appearing in some youth tournament squads. GTVM92, however, seems to believe the Iranian flag should be used, as Nouri was invited to an Iran national team training camp (per this interview), but he never actually took part due to injury. Thoughts? S.A. Julio ( talk) 18:04, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
just warn the ip, quoting it is the agreement in Wikipedia:WikiProject Football the flag is depend on international (youth) cap, if they defy, report a block from ANI or vandal page (disruptive edit). So far it partially works on Franco Vázquez, just new ip and new pattern of vandal. Matthew_hk t c 20:50, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi.
I was wondering does anyone know when the Colombian Categoría Primera A went professional? Going by the reference added to the league at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues, it became pro in 2011? The reason I ask is because a few players I've seen played in the league in 2010 and don't have articles. If it did become pro in 2011, I assume these players who played in 2010 wouldn't be eligible for a Wikipedia article. Correct? R96Skinner ( talk) 13:49, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
No comments since January, please can uninvolved admin (or BOLD NAC if applicable) close Talk:Lagardère Sports and Entertainment/Archive 1#Merger Proposal? Giant Snowman 18:16, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Since the change from old First Division to Prem, and the new First Division changed to Championship, shouldn't each honour under the new structure be listed in the correct incarnation? For instances if you take Newcastle United F.C. for example, it has Football Championship won three times, when really they have only one it once in that incarnation of the league, should that not be split between the old version name and the new version? Govvy ( talk) 10:30, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Is Anthony Hudson (current NZ manager and former Bahrain manager) notable enough for his article to be changed to just "Anthony Hudson"? Currently, it's at "Anthony Hudson (manager)", which is a little deceiving in itself, and the Anthony Hudson article refers to a Australian sports commentator. Or should the Anthony Hudson article be changed to a disambiguation page, such as the one for Leonid Slutsky? APM ( talk) 17:23, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm reluctant to have anything to do with the Anthony Hudson article, which has been a mine of disinformation and puffery ever since its creation. However... He never played first-team football for West Ham or Luton: if he had, he'd appear on Soccerbase, and he doesn't. He joined NEC Nijmegen ahead of the 1999/2000 season, not in 2001. This season preview dated August 1999 in a Dutch newspaper lists him in NEC's squad and gives Luton as his previous club. Dutch sources from when he took over as NZ coach say he signed a two-year contract wih NEC but didn't see it out: e.g. this and this. The NEC website has match details going back nearly 30 years; the 1999–2000 ones seem complete, so if he'd played first-team football, his name would appear in a search of the site, and it doesn't. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 14:30, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
All members of the project are invited to comment on my request-- Kostas20142 ( talk) 13:29, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Do you peeps consider it a reliable source? Govvy ( talk) 19:42, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
There are a few unanswered requests for reassessment dating back to January. It would be appreciated if someone experienced in assessing articles would answer these. Many thanks. LTFC 95 ( talk) 18:47, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Evening all, I recently added totals to the two loan spells Darren Bent had in the career statistics table. The edit containing these totals was subsequently reverted by Mattythewhite - and probably rightly so according to WP:FOOTY/Players. I'm not a big fan of the layout provided in the template and thought I'd bring it up for discussion here.
The lack of a Total row at the end of each club, even if the player was only at said club for one season, breaks the chain so to speak. If you add up all the totals they don't correlate with the Career total because the single-season/loan season don't have totals. This makes tallying up the statistics a chore and breaks the general aesthetic of the table, with some club's having totals and others not. There is also nothing separating the loan spell with the player's next club which makes it seem as if the stats flow until the Total below.
It's a small thing but I'd like to have a discussion on it nonetheless. Cheers, Liam E. Bekker ( talk) 18:08, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Agreed with what LTFC95 says, completely. This is a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Giant Snowman 18:04, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
You're bringing up an edit from 3 years ago that has been surpassed by community consensus?! Jeez, scraping the barrel with a large stick. Giant Snowman 17:02, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm in favour of totals for all clubs (single or multiple seasons) OR no clubs. I feel Liam's original point that the subtotals don't add up can be confusing to the casual visitor is valid. But here is maybe a better alterative suggestion to consider; have Totals for all clubs, but only individual seasons for multi season clubs. I.e. Effectively colour single season lines grey as sub totals. Just need one additional column to label those rows as totals, Effect f which might be mitigated by removing some of the wikicreep multi cup columns. I see Henry has 11, Bent 13, Cr7 has 15 columns. ..combine domestic cups, combine continental/intercontinental, job done, heaps of space. Club Oranje T 10:56, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
User:ClubOranje/sandbox quick sample of how I envisanged it; ignore detail of the columns etc at this stage,just the general format of season and subtotal
idea Club Oranje T 13:35, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm bringing this up here, as I don't think Puskás Ferenc Stadion is on many people's watchlist. Pinging RuthStevens as she's been active on the page recently.
I just noticed that the Puskás Ferenc Stadion has 2 pages currently: one about the stadium before it's current reconstruction and one for the future after. Shouldn't both pages be merged as they are the same stadium? I don't recall opening new pages every time a stadium goes through reconstruction. -- SuperJew ( talk) 07:05, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Apparently this is standard practice. Personally I've never seen it done before. Any thoughts? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:44, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
It is evident from the responses in this discussion that there is strong consensus against the idea, therefore I will remove the linking. LTFC 95 ( talk) 12:15, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
I am finding him highly disruptive and very annoying. He continues to reword articles how he thinks they should be, I often read it and feel the English is far worse off after he has edited an article. I will just get pissed off and will revert every edit he does and I am not sure it's just me. I would like some help please to stop me going to the Dark Side! Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 12:04, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Since Harry Redknapp took charge of Birmingham Kranjcar's article has had a bit of vandalism, I don't think it needs semi-protect yet, but maybe it should be monitored a little more, cheers. Govvy ( talk) 19:17, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I have added a merge proposal hatnote for Sweeper to be merged with Defender. At first glance the text on the section and the separate article looks almost identical but obviously I would check and make sure everything worth including got added. Any input, please add either here or on the merge discussion. Thanks! Crowsus ( talk) 05:10, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
I have nominated Template:Association football positions and Template:FA National Futsal League for deletion here, if anyone would like to contribute. Jellyman ( talk) 06:58, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Hey guys, recently redid the India national football team page after wanting to do so for 3-4 years now. Not finished obviously, a lot more I want to do but I still thought about nominating it for GA so just in case anyone wanted a crack at it, it's there. Cheers. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 20:54, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 105 | Archive 106 | Archive 107 | Archive 108 | Archive 109 | Archive 110 | → | Archive 115 |
Can I just point out the comical 'consensus' in the above discussion which was listed on the project page. I don't disagree with the merge at all, but the fact that the parties involved were a registered user with no other input on either the English or Spanish wiki than working on these articles, and then two mysterious IP users with similar codes whose sole interest is also CF Salmantino and are both very keen to get involved in agreeing to the move. It would surely have been better just to boldly move the article (which explains the reasons in its text) and take any flak that came from it - probably none - rather than this obvious and unnecessary puppetry farce? Crowsus ( talk) 07:28, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Greetings all. I came across this article while monitoring New Editor's Contributions and I thought I'd bring it to the attention of this Wikiproject. The subject of the article appears to meet WP:NFOOTY and needs improvement by someone a lot more knowledgeable about football than I am. Regards Exemplo347 ( talk) 01:41, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
This page is about Benfica Juniors, a very concrete section of Benfica's youth football system. The Junior term referes only the U19 players. The U17, U15 and U13 are called Juvenis, Iniciados and Infantis, respectively. I think this page should focus only on the U19 players, the honour section should only mention the U19 honours. The same for the page's header. The Current squad and the Technical staff sections are only about the Juniors. I think the page need some coherence. P3DRO ( talk) 15:27, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Player pages linked to by {{ Goalzz}} appear to have no content. Can someone familiar with the site please look into this? Meanwhile, I'm going to disable the template. @ Sm3a: for info. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:58, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Probably not that big of a deal but would this guy be notable? Thanks Inter&anthro ( talk) 17:42, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
It's come to my attention that the height paramater in {{ Infobox football biography}} automatically converts from metric to imperial and vice versa. Great - except it displays metric in cm, which, as those of you who will remember the big debate on this matter we had a few years ago, is not what we use. Anybody know how to adjust it to display in m? Giant Snowman 09:01, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Atalanta player Mattia Caldara was signed by Juventus in January, but will remain at Atalanta until 2018 on loan. What is the correct way this should be shown in the infobox, as the brackets are already closed a year in advance? Danieletorino2 ( talk) 12:34, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
As part of an attempt to tidy the Hillsborough disaster page, I came across the Taylor Report article, which had almost no info about the findings of the report itself. Any help greatly appreciated, especially from those who (unlike me), know anything about football. Pincrete ( talk) 17:37, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, I have done one more of these merge suggestions, don't see any need for a separate article on Inverted winger; regardless of whether a winger is considered a forward or midfielder, this sub-type can/should be added into the same larger article. I have added the merge proposal talk here. Crowsus ( talk) 13:53, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
Stumbled across this. I can't imagine why anyone would search for it, as opposed to NCFC, so I'd suggest deletion rather than redirection. Thoughts, before I prod? -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 11:55, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Norwich's youth system was prodigious at uncovering talent in the period 10-30 years ago, less so these days, although they are still well regarded. I just can't think why any reader would come looking for it, and on top of that I'm unsure it'd pass WP:V for coverage beyond local media. -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 12:47, 21 February 2017 (UTC) I'm thinking AfD might be more sensible. -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 12:48, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Academy/reserve/youth teams can be notable, but they need to meet WP:GNG independently i.e. there is no assumption that because the parent team is notable, so are the kids. Giant Snowman 08:07, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Agree above with Struway2 and Number57 - articles on the youth system as a whole can be notable, but not always, and certainly not Derby U23s! No need for reserve season articles. Giant Snowman 21:19, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Is Marcelo Allende a notable youth? Qed237 (talk) 15:23, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
@ Gricehead, Hack, and Struway2: Now at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcelo Allende. Qed237 (talk) 22:47, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Recently I came across this mention of Sikiru Olatunbosun. A quick search yielded more than 45,000 results. Also the Nigerian top division is considered a professional league. So does this mean that the article passes WP:NFOOTY or should I wait to start the article? Thanks Inter&anthro ( talk) 19:42, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
As seen for example in Pep Guardiola, Sergio Ramos or Xavi, are captaincy templates still being used? I am certain I saw a discussion here where it was agreed they were to be discontinued.
On a related note, User:Puente aereo (who reinstated said templates) also removed the reliable NFT.com link in several articles. Attentively -- 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 10:16, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
While putting tgether some info I noticed that Inside forward has its own article when everything else in that type of position is under Forward (association football) (I think other merges have taken place in the past?) Anyway, inside forward seems to have slipped through but I can't think why it would need its own article, surely a section in Forward is sufficient. I have added a merge proposal and explanation here. Hope nobody has any issues with this but I'm sure if you do you'll let me know! Crowsus ( talk) 11:33, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
Someone recreated the article in Doyen Sports (by translating French wiki). I did not remember what i write in the previous deleted version (roughly written about Doyen Sports but in Doyen Group namespace), but it look the same as the reasoning of AfD. Go to deletion review the verify WP:GNG or CSD it? Matthew_hk t c 05:52, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
@ GiantSnowman: @ MicroX: @ Nixie9: Matthew_hk t c 09:02, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
IP shenanigans at Phoenix club (sports) again. — Cliftonian (talk) 17:04, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Hey, i saw assists added at the 2016–17 Atlético Madrid season and removed them because of past discussions. 81.236.220.87 ( talk · contribs) reverted me twice and accused my of vandalism. Just want to be sure i did the right thing? And can someone else have a look, don't want an edit war and 3RR... Kante4 ( talk) 20:16, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
There has been some more vandalism of the Nelson page. No doubt the most recent updates will be reversed soon by someone with roll-back privilege. However, the three edits by 86.138.25.149, made on 24 February, also need to be reversed. Indeed, as it stands right now, the article could be rolled-back to BigDom's contribution on 21 February. Drawoh46 ( talk) 10:33, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Is Soccerway preferrable over other languages' reliable sources? Because Liam E. Bekker reverted my edits on Álvaro Domínguez Soto without a single word explaining why, and didn't reply even after my message on his talk page. So, I thought he may be thinking he's the correct one, I really don't know. We are trying to make use of WP:BRD, but other people seem to care so little to this guideline...
And, of course, all references from other languages must (it's a must, right?) be translated for a decent understanding of the readers, right? MYS 77 ✉ 20:28, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
First things first: I only have TWO IPs (one from work, this one from my home), not multiple ones. I did most of the improvements on the page before you stepped in, and I can assure you I did not use Google Translate while translating the foreign sources as you imply. I also fail to see the need to have the subject's surname (in this case "Domínguez") written to exhaustion in the same paragraph, when "he" suffices perfectly.
Speaking of assurance, you also have my word I will not touch the article anymore, out of respect for other people's work and to avoid pointless edit wars and/or accusations. Attentively -- 85.242.133.151 ( talk) 21:34, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
This player spent 2004-2005 with Aberdeen - should he be in Category:Aberdeen F.C. players? I say yay, @ Jmorrison230582: says nay... Giant Snowman 18:48, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
To cover some points - @ Kante: how do you know he didn't have a contract of some kind with the club? @ Crowsus: why has it suddenly dropped from 16 to 14? @ Jogurney: no I don't think it would make sense. Fabregas left Barcelona at 16, if he had never re-joined them as an adult would you exclude him from the category? If you sub-categorise, would you include players who played for youth and senior team in both? Giant Snowman 07:58, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
I think an appropriate solution would be to have a subcat for each club (i.e. "X F.C. youth/academy players"), for cases where the player was with a club in that period of their development. This would include both groups of players, i.e. those who later played in that club's first team and those that moved on, as it would look a bit odd if you had (say) "Manchester United youth/academy players" cat which included Robbie Savage but excluded Ryan Giggs. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 11:42, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
As I understand it, the category for a club is added when the player signs (even if they don't play for the club), while the category for a league is added only once the player plays a game in the league. Seems to me it should be the same case for both types of categories, no? -- SuperJew ( talk) 19:58, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
So what's the solution? Nobody has been able to strongly suggest one, so I suggest we keep the status quo for now. Giant Snowman 08:06, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
It seems to me that the consensus here is to create "youth player" categories. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 12:37, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Further to the recent discussions suggest that one article relating to the lower sections of various clubs would be more useful/credible for notability than two (or more), I have made a few merge proposals for articles which are not following the more common Reserves[or Under 23s] and Academy model in England.
The articles concerned are for Reading ( 1) / ( 2), Charlton ( 1) / ( 2), West Ham ( 1) / ( 2) / 3), Spurs ( 1) / ( 2), Arsenal ( 1) / ( 2) and Southampton ( 1) ( 2).
I realise editors involved in updating the articles may not agree with the suggestion so in addition to the merge section on the article talk pages I will point them to here (there is also a link to the earlier discussion for reference) to comment if needed. Thanks. Crowsus ( talk) 13:34, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
The bottom two paragraphs of the A.C. Milan history section are borderline illegible, and I don't believe warrant that much attention in the summary of the near 120 year history of such a prestigious club and I'm saying this as a complete neutral. I mean, there's almost as much written about a proposed change in ownership as Milan's entire success in the 1980s-1990s (countless league titles and several Champions League titles). Does it even matter that the club could be potentially Chinese owned? The Chelsea F.C. article summarises the sale to Roman Abramovich in one sentence! Danieletorino2 ( talk) 15:24, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
I am finding him disruptive I've already mentioned a few different things to him, like the citation being at the end of the paragraph on White Hart Lane, be he continues to be disruptive. Govvy ( talk) 10:45, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
I see people adding expatriates categories for countries players are no longer in, shouldn't those categories be removed once that footballer is no longer working in said country? For instance Giovani dos Santos has multitude number of cats for England, Turkey and Spain. Are these categories not no longer needed? expatriate or not, surely the cat's should be removed once that footballer is no longer in the country? And there are a fair number of articles of footballers that have category problems in my opinion. Govvy ( talk) 11:47, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Govvy ( talk) 13:36, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
@ Govvy: you don't even understand what is saying. Please keep Category:Mexican expatriate sportspeople in the United Kingdom and Category:Mexican expatriates in England, it is not overcategerzation but Category:X expatriate footballers in Y Matthew_hk t c 15:45, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
Lincoln's win over Burnley has been deemed notable, and now features on the main page. What are people's thoughts about Bradford's win over Chelsea? Is it worth moving into mainspace? Giant Snowman 12:03, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
Is the second individual honour in this player worth something (a NEWSPAPER team of the year)? I have been removing it in several players, but now myself have been reverted by a reliable user.
If it is, I apologize for any inconvenience and will revert all my edits regarding this particular accolade. Attentively -- 193.137.135.2 ( talk) 14:36, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Should not be included per WP:NOTGALLERY; so please can somebody inform @ Chuckdisi: over at Antigua and Barbuda national football team? Ta. Giant Snowman 18:28, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
How about a bot that automatically updates tables? The bot would take input from the sites that are customised at User:DatBot/footyconfig, and could either update a page that is transcluded onto the template (such as what Defconbot did) or it could edit the template directly. The only manual thing would be to edit the bot's settings for relegations and promotions I believe. It would also be possible to turn off one of the leagues that the bot would manage, if there would be some weird event that the source updated incorrectly. Dat Guy Talk Contribs 22:36, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
How much statistics is too much statistics, with respect to WP:NOTSTATS ?
I have reverted edits (twice) from @ Callofworld: who has been creating statistical compilation of matches for a number of minor tournaments - including see Talk:Algarve Cup - and then they are reverted back saying it is my Personal Impression and Personal Taste, and that the WP:NOTSTATS policy isnt Necessary for all articles, and a request to make a separate article for the table (as a "National team appearances in the XXXX Cup", rather than revert ? I consider that such a table for FIFA world cups (Men/Women) may be warranted due to the high importance of the event, but not for every minor tournament. Similar edits to make these tables for other minor tournaments have been made recently by this contributor for tournaments such as OFC Beach Soccer Championship, Peace Queen Cup, Cyprus Cup (recently reverted by @ Snowflake91:), Women's Nordic Football Championship, Africa Beach Soccer Cup of Nations, Nordic Football Championship, Africa Women Cup of Nations, Copa América Femenina. I consider the article on the Algarve Cup already rather unbalanced with respect to tables, and the additional of another long table makes it more so.
Is this sort of detail warranted, or does it set a precedence for every minor tournament to have this level of statistical detail ? Matilda Maniac ( talk) 13:34, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Callofworld ( talk) 15:03, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi, looking for some opinions re a dispute I've had with GiantSnowman re international caps, which can be found here. Essentially, what I want to know is what do we regard as acceptable, e.g. caps approved by relevant football association, only caps approved by FIFA etc? The dispute was borne out of what National-Football-Teams.com regard as 'FIFA' and 'Non FIFA' matches, when they seem to include matches played between two FIFA-approved teams in that category. I mean, if we only go by what NFT regard as official FIFA matches, then we wouldn't include any of Gibraltar's matches in UEFA qualification, which NFT regard to be be 'Non FIFA'. To me, this would be counter-intuitive, factually inaccurate and a bit bonkers. Thanks, Mattythewhite ( talk) 00:13, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
The article Robert Goethals was somehow appearing in the non-existent Category:Pages using infobox ftball biography with unknown param, so I went to see if I coukd tidy it up.
It appears to have been using a lot of parameters which are not documented in Template:Infobox football biography, so I commented out the paras which seemed to be causing errors. [1]
Please could some more familiar with Template:Infobox football biography see if they can sort it out?
Thanks! -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 09:07, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
So Zanzibar is a full member now. Anyway, sorting the list Confederation of African Football#CAF members by date i wondered why Kenya is listed as joining in 2012. FIFA and CAF credit is as 1960. Football Kenya Federation has correct dates in the infobox, but the text is worded totally different. There was a rival association from 2011 to 2015, maybe that's why. Any expert on African football able to clarify the situation? - Koppapa ( talk) 06:27, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
There is no source which backs up what is in the stats table. Soccerbase has nothing on his Standard Liege career while the Guardian source disagrees with the league appearances. The cup and continental stats seem to have been pulled out of thin air. His Soccerway profile (which is currently not used for stats) also has different league and continental apps and nothing on cup appearances.
What is the solution to an issue like this? I propose just matching up the table exactly with what is in his Soccerway profile (always found it far more reliable for non-English leagues) and removing the links to Soccerbase and the Guardian. This would mean just setting the cup apps to zero so can I do this or is there another solution?
Stuart1234 ( talk) 14:02, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Alright cheers I'll look into it. Stuart1234 ( talk) 21:44, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Greetings all. I just closed an Article for Deletion discussion regarding Jim Wright (footballer, born 1910) on the basis that this person meets WP:FOOTY. I'm not very knowledgeable about football, so if any of the members of this WikiProject are able to improve this article (particularly the sourcing) I'd be very grateful. Thanks in advance! Exemplo347 ( talk) 00:38, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
I noticed a lot that nicknames keep going into the infobox on the club page, being removed and so on, but a lot of strange unsourced edits on the page. I was wondering if the page should be semi-protected for a few weeks? Govvy ( talk) 15:44, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi. Giampiero Boniperti is one of Juventus' all-time appearances and goal-scoring holder. My question is whether to include his appearances and goals played in the Latin Cup, Coppa dell'Amicizia and the Copa Rio as part of his grand total? Would any of these tournaments count in official tallies? Maybe under "other"? Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 21:01, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
Someone has removed some of the links in the infobox on Robbie Keane under overlink rules, I didn't think you were suppose to apply that rule in the info boxes so wanted to double check, cheers. Govvy ( talk) 13:05, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
Walter Görlitz and I, both contributors to the Seattle Reign FC page, have encountered an issue that we are seeking input from WP:FOOTY members. Our dispute is regarding the use of zebra striping for tables and is described at User talk:Walter Görlitz#Zebra striping. You can see from the editing history of Seattle Reign FC#Coaching staff that Walter Görlitz insisted on using a zebra striping that colored alternate rows the same shade of gray as the header row. As I described in their user talk page, this stylistic choice is not currently used in any other table listed in FOOTY's manual of style and potentially creates confusion. We were unable to come to a consensus, so as Walter Görlitz suggested I've brought it up here to seek additional input. — Mightytotems ( talk) 16:46, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
I just created Spanish women's football clubs in international competitions, and since there doesn't seem to be any other articles like this in women's football I plan to make it like this for all the other UEFA members that have taken part in the UEFA Women's Cup / UEFA Women's Champions League as well as CONMEBOL members for the Copa Libertadores Femenina. But since some tables I created recently were rejected I thought I should check it before going any further. Is it okay? Pakhtakorienne ( talk) 17:14, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
Thoughts about Al Rams Club? Qed237 (talk) 12:46, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Same editor has also created Masfut Club, Al Hamriyah Club and possibly other non notable articles. CSD? Qed237 (talk) 12:49, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Do Jim Milisavljevic fail WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY? He was a member of Australia national soccer team for 1974 World Cup squad. -- Gonta-Kun ( talk) 08:03, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi. An editor disagrees with me and want to keep all goalscorers at 2016–17 Moldovan National Division as well as referee statistics. Could someone take a look and see if I am doing something wrong here?
Also we have a minor dispute at Template:2016–17 Moldovan National Division table after which the editor told me never to edit moldovan articles, if you want to look at that as well. Qed237 (talk) 21:31, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
I'm that editor. Qed237, if you really care about Moldovan football,especially 2016–17 Moldovan National Division please instead of deleting everything ,help and improve it.this page needs lots of work,is outdated.what kind of editor you are if you can only delete others people work ? Please help by improving. About goal scorers.only top ten are listed,other are hidden(for calculation).i will edit probably this later,but I need a list from there I can start.don't ruin others people work which sometimes took hours. About template.you was wrong from the beginning and vandalised the page by reverting.what was the point to add( every time) 2017-2018 Moldovan A Division season ???? Next Moldovan A division season will be transitional 2017,cause they change to Spring-Autumn. By not knowing this fact you vandalized again and again. How can you add wrong information on Wikipedia ??? Check it before adding anything please. About Petrocub.the official name of the team is Petrocub-Hincesti (with dash) this is the source [ [2]] press editia 16-17,and you can see.this team renamed a year ago,and has a double name (with dash). Exactly the same situation like the other club with double name in Moldovan football FC Dinamo-Auto. Anyway,just wanted to repeat.all the articles on Wikipedia does not belong to you.you can't just delete whatever you desire,just because you don't like it.you are acting all the time like dictator,by thinking you are only one right man all the time. Kolya77 ( talk) 23:27, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
In pages such as the 2014 FIFA World Cup squads and 2010 FIFA World Cup squads, we currently have listed that AS Monaco are a French club, but Cardiff City and Swansea City are shown as Welsh, Wellington Phoenix are shown as Kiwi and Toronto FC are Canadian. Let's get a blanket ruling once and for all, up in this bitch.
So, are they the nationality of their club's location, or their league's competition? - J man708 ( talk) 21:39, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
I was doing a little improvement to Les Allen and noticed his first game was for Briggs Sports, however I am confused to were the editor who wrote a lot of it got the information from for the page, I was wondering if anyone know of a good resource to find some information about the team so I can provide some citation. Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 19:21, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi there. I randomly noticed OsoiEdward ( talk · contribs) changing the captain designations in various articles to other players. I am not familiar enough with the topic to easily find sources confirming these changes to be correct, so I was wondering whether someone from this project could take a look and see if I'm just paranoid or not. Regards So Why 06:35, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Would Emma Clarke qualify for an article? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 15:46, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Should division names such as the Isthmian League Premier Division and Southern League Premier Division be written in full in career stats tables, or should they be abbreviated like this? LTFC 95 ( talk) 22:51, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Christian Pulisic plays in Europe but is American, is he considered a soccer player or a footballer? Also, his biography seems to contain a lot of unnecessary information such as starting appearances and goals in friendlies. I also question whether an 18 year old player with 30 professional appearances really needs three subsections. Danieletorino2 ( talk) 00:00, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
A user has moved Malaysia Super League and its season pages to Liga Super, saying that's the official name. Can anyone familiar take a look and make sure if it's the right thing to do? Coderzombie ( talk) 07:59, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Malaysian news sources
Other sources from the region
I invite editors to assist with expanding the article about the recently unveiled Bust of Cristiano Ronaldo. There are additional sources shared on the article's talk page. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:37, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:54, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Did this chap really play for Millwall? FORADEJOGO says he had one appearance to kickstart his senior career, and two different interwikis also claim he appeared for them (but the timeframes do not match), has zero credit without a source of course.
I begun to have second thoughts on this after reverting an anon user in the piece who may have been in the right even though the info was inserted shabbily, now come here to find closure. Attentively -- 85.242.133.151 ( talk) 02:34, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Many thanks y'all, info retrieved to article! But i have another doubt, if you please: if he was only a trialist, do you folks think a club category should be added? -- 85.242.133.151 ( talk) 20:28, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi all.
Stumbled across the player James Demetriou on Soccerway and noticed he has made one appearance for Karmiotissa in the Cypriot Cup. According to the fully professional leagues page the Cypriot First Division is classed as professional, I know the app. wasn't in that competition but it's my understanding that if a player has made an appearance in a cup competition for an FPL club he is eligible for a Wikipedia article; although I'm not sure if that's 100% the case, it isn't quite clear. To get to my point, I was going to create the page but realised I couldn't due to it being deleted three times previously (pre-this Cypriot Cup appearance), so now only administrators can create it.
In short: A) Is he now eligible for an article? B) Could an admin create it, or is there a way to remove the admin only creation? I'm not sure for certain either way.
Cheers. R96Skinner ( talk) 22:00, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi. Recently I've noticed Messirulez change the country subheading to "international" (which I thought was fine because that's usually how I see it) but Macosal reverted an edit like this on Matthew Ryan per Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players. To me, international would make more sense as that's usually the subheading we use for international stats as well. Country doesn't seem correct in some cases if a player has played for more than one country. I would propose an amendment to the guideline if enough people agree for the sake of consistency. Thanks, Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 19:02, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
Would someone from footy mind taking a look at the edits of Rickym2525. The editor is new seems to be making good faith attempts to improve national youth team articles, but most of what they are adding looks like a bit of WP:ORish and is not supported by any sources. I've undid a few of the edits, but I'm not sure how to clean up Spain national under-17 football team. FWIW, if the edits being made are actually OK, then feel free to undo my reverts. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 23:59, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
How is it possible that to modify Template:Fb rs in a season article, so a won match results in 2 points, not in 3 points? I'd like to use it for a season when 2 points were awarded for a win, so the point account is "real". -Lemmy- ( talk) 11:09, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
|wp=2
to switch the win value to 2 points instead of 3.
S.A. Julio (
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13:01, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
Hoping to get some assistance regarding personal details of a couple of early 20th century Scottish players who by coincidence both played for Liverpool - Thomas Robertson (footballer, born 1875) and Donald McKinlay. I won't bore you with the details but I think they were born in the same place however the sources I can view don't confirm this. If it seems like something that you could help with or would be interested in, I have put a bit of explanation on the article talk pages already (but no replies there). Thanks. Crowsus ( talk) 08:36, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
There's already a few folk updating Celtic's latest title win, confirmed today, in the relevant articles. I'd have thought this isn't a good idea until the season is actually finished as articles might get inconsistent, and other users might update them for a second time at that point. But technically it's correct that they have won the title. What is the consensus on when these things should be updated? Crowsus ( talk) 15:21, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
Officially FC Steaua București has changed their name to "FC FCSB" after a dispute with the romanian army (see ESPN article and The Sun). Also sites like Soccerway and even UEFA has already changed team name to FCSB. Should we change as well or should it stay at "Steaua București" per WP:COMMONNAME? Qed237 (talk) 09:09, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi all, I'd just like to bring it to this page's attention that there are quite a few football articles on the GA nominations page which are awaiting review. Reviewing is not my strong point but if there are any editors who can assist in addressing the nominations please do so. Cheers, Liam E. Bekker ( talk) 09:42, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Can the "edit war" on his nationality qualified for full page protection? It look silly that recent changes were all about his nationality back and forth from Italian to Argentine. It looks wasting wikipedia resource on such "contribution". Matthew_hk t c 10:33, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
The National-Football-Team.com source has given players caps for this game even though it was abandoned in the 88th minute. In the Ivory Coast national football team artice there seems to have been a decision not to add caps for this game with the following note: "Match abandoned, for field invasion, after 88 minutes on the score of 1-1. Presences and goals NOT to be counted unless official decisions"
Is there any precedent for this and how was it dealt with? If we are not counting it as a cap then we will have to add notes to every relevant player with a NFT.com source. Stuart1234 ( talk) 00:43, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
Hey editors. What are your thoughts on the notability of Antonio Conte's Chelsea managerial section? He hasn't even spent 12 months at the club and the section is already longer than his two years with Italy, and three with Juventus:
"His side managed two more wins against Watford and Burnley, before drawing 2–2 away against Swansea City on 11 September 2016."
"On 16 September, Conte suffered his first loss, a 2–1 home defeat to Liverpool,[62] which was followed by a 3–0 defeat to Arsenal on 24 September 2016."
"He then went on to win three straight games without conceding a goal, defeating Hull City, Leicester City, and Manchester United 2–0,[64] 3–0[65] and 4–0[66] respectively; football analysts and journalists opined that his "tactical shift" from a 4–2–3–1 formation to a 3–4–3, with his trade-mark three-man back-line and wingbacks, was responsible for the club's transformation."
This is way too much information and the journalistic opinion on his tactics doesn't seem biographical at all. What are your thoughts? Danieletorino2 ( talk) 02:14, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Can we get Malaysia Super League protected? Especially move protected. @JebatMalaya seems determined to unilaterally dictate the page. LordAtlas ( talk) 03:34, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Is the
Kenyan Premier League considered a fully-professional league to qualify for item #3 of
WP:NFOOTBALL? It's not listed at
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Fully_professional_leagues. --
Ahecht (
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18:10, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Last night, an American team changed their name from the catchy Rochester River Dogz to Rochester Lancers. There are already two articles about teams with the name at Rochester Lancers and Rochester Lancers (2011–15).
I've moved the River Dogz article to Rochester Lancers (NPSL).
Should Rochester Lancers be moved to Rochester Lancers (1967–80) (with related links and categories updated to reflect the change), and Rochester Lancers (NPSL) be moved to Rochester Lancers as they are the only active team with the name, albeit an amateur one? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 20:02, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
With your expertise can you say whether Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2017_April_7#Major_achievements_in_soccer_by_nation please? (The fact that WP:SOCCER redirects to WP:FOOTBALL suggests it may not be.) Si Trew ( talk) 20:04, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
The second table down says Wins by club, but it has 0 with runners up in rank 37 and 0 for rank 35 and 34 for runners up, I was curious is those runners up really that notable? Govvy ( talk) 23:06, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
I don't know if this is an appropriate place to ask for people who want to help me get the South Africa leagues pages up to date? Freddie2016 ( talk) 14:49, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
The 2016-17 South African Premier Division is always up to date. I didn't even think to look at how up to date the Premier Soccer League page is, or how that can be bettered. I like the ideas that you gave User:Liam E. Bekker. I am going to do some research for those ideas. I'd love if you would check in every no and then to see if you can make anything better (especially in terms of the look of the page(s). All the other leagues ( 2016-17 National First Division and 2016-17 SAFA Second Division, and not even mentioning the SAFA Regional League and the leagues below the Regional Leagues' pages) are so far behind and/or non-existant. Where do one get info for all those leagues? Any suggestions will help. Freddie2016 ( talk) 09:53, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
I was involved in a dispute with the user Efc1878 earlier over incorrect timestamps. He has been adding them correctly recently by typing five tildes like I told him. However, when I changed edits on Everton players pages when I noticed incorrect international update timestamps, he reverted me for some reason.
Can a third party here change the edits back on Idrissa Gueye and Mason Holgate's articles because I have already reverted this user a good few times and don't want to be dragged into a needless edit war over something so trivial.
Cheers. Mórtas is Dóchas ( talk) 21:16, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Mr Gueye's last international appearance was on 23 March in a match that according to Soccerway, kicked off at 20:00. Efc1878 set it to 22:03, 23 March, which is after the end of that match, so was correct. If you're bringing the stats uptodate as of "now", it's better to use the timestamp generated by five tildes (if you're editing with a device that has that character readily available), because there's less chance of making a mistake than if you just change the date to that of the match without changing the time. But so long as the timestamp is after the end of the last match included in the stats and before any other match in which the player appeared, it's correct. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 22:04, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
The thing is he has been doing this with all Everton players. For example this shows that on Séamus Coleman's article, he added a timestamp which was over 17 hours before the match had even started. I'm trying to be consistent with it. Mórtas is Dóchas ( talk) 22:14, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Thank you @ PrimeHunter: for supplying the link to the documentation: I should have done the same. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 22:30, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi there. I have no idea until now that Mórtas is Dóchas ( talk) actually started this conversation with the moditaor and stabbed me in my back. Nice. I concur that the exact time figure of the timestamp can be more precise. I am not denying that, at all. In fact, I started to add additional timing figure (with UTC) for my editing from yesterday. Nevertheless, I agree with Vaseline and Liam. A reader would want to know the date of the last match a player had participated in a domestic league or on international duty, not when some random editor decided to update the timestamp when nothing regarding the statistics can be updated. For instance, the case of Seamus Coleman. Coleman last played for Ireland and thus broken his right leg on 24 March 2017. My initial intention was always plain and simple, that is, to provide the most accurate statistics for readers. We learn from the page the exact date of a game being played by an individual and not edited by someone who deemed he can edit the timestamp whenever he likes even there is nothing to update. Bearing in mind Coleman's 43rd cap for Ireland came on 24 March 2017 and that is the reason why my timestamp was so precise and that was dated 24 March 2017 even I edited the page a couple of hours following the match between Ireland vs Wales. Mortas and his multi reverted my editing and timestamp when they deem they are not happy with the exact and precise statistics (like the Coleman case, he had to keep changing it to 2am 25 March 2017). All the initial update and statistics were done by me a few hours, sometimes a day later...after the matches. This applied to all those pages involving Everton players. Vaseline was spot on and continued to make another great point "this may also cause confusion when another editor goes to update the timestamp since it may not be apparent up to which match the timestamp was updated for". Kindly consider our viewpoint and suggestion on this issue. Cheers mods. Efc1878 ( User talk:Efc1878) 9:13, 10 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.140.168.46 ( talk)
|club-update=match played dd mmm yy
, which IMO was neat, tidy and unambiguous, but some editors took against it. cheers,
Struway2 (
talk)
12:43, 10 April 2017 (UTC)Hopefully the administrator will make a decision on the issue. The like in Mórtas is Dóchas ( talk) and his friends reverted the timestamps I modified in the first place to suit their agenda. I literally got banned temporarily for putting precise statistics (by reverting his change recently) and timestamps when the players were played on the material day. If possible, I update the statistics and timestamps on the day when a player played. Shall I continue to update the pages because some users kept changing the timestamps and the things I add (with reference of course) to the pages? Efc1878 ( User talk:Efc1878) 17:18, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
There have been multiple changes to List of association football competitions today. It may just be a case of personal preference because I can't say definitively that either version is better. Although, I think some competitions have not made it to the new version (I have not had the chance to check yet). What are the project's guidelines in situations like this? Equineducklings ( talk) 18:26, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
Please come and share your thoughts at Talk:Rochester_Lancers_(1967–80). There's been a dispute over a recent article title change. Thanks. TheBigJagielka ( talk) 16:22, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
I noticed a player is up for AfD saying that Liga II is not fully pro, but as far as I knew it was, all clubs in the first and second leagues have to pay their players, this is why many have financial problems and are relegated to the third tier because that is semi-pro. That and the contract problems of players in the league, if a club is in administration they don't have to pay the players, but will get relegated because of it. 1 Govvy ( talk) 20:44, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Would someone from WP:FOOTY mind taking a look at AO Kardia F.C. and assessing it? Not sure if the club is notable per WP:FOOTYN, and if it isn't then there's no real justification for using a non-free logo in th infobox. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:55, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Tiers 3, 4 and 5 of the French pyrmaid are set to change (by varying degrees) come the start of the 2017–18 season. The changes are as follows:
I for one am glad about the new names as they will hopefully dispel some of the myth that players in these lower divisions are amateur (the definition of amateur is not the same in France as it is in England, for example). Obviously for the first two it should just be a case of renaming their respective articles, since the competition format is not changing.
However, the question is whether the new National 3, and its considerable departure in form from the CFA2 requires its own new article or not? In effect, the National 3 will become the highest division of regional football (as opposed to the current DH), and the competition will be controlled by the regional football associations rather than the FFF. All input on this matter is welcome.
(On a slightly related note, I opened a discussion at WT:FPL earlier about the professional status of the players in the Championnat National. I'm just leaving a link here as I'm aware that this talk page is watched by far more people than the other).
Thanks, BigDom ( talk) 12:41, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
seem altogether to create new article better. Matthew_hk t c 14:38, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
I knew some club wikipedia article had a list of "Club President", but not every club had that position (a company must have chairman of the board of directors. but not every club was a company), then what is the right scope of this section, since Chelsea have both chairman and (honorary) president. [84] Moreover, since the chairman of the BoD in Italian language was Presidente, but Italian club often translated the chairman position as "President" (but don't have both Chairman and President, like some company), then should that position (Presidente del C.d.A.) should correctly translated as chairman in wikipedia, instead of president? Matthew_hk t c 17:41, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Is he notable enough? I know he is notable in Chinese media as a scammer/ex-major shareholder in one shares , which he was fined by the Chinese regulator. Then on official record, the investment management company Sino-Europe Sports Investment Management Changxing Co., Ltd., nor it subsidiary Rossneri Sports Investment Co., Ltd. of Hong Kong, the sole owner was Mr. Chen nor Mr. Li. Chen certainly an associate of Li as Chen acted as director role on official record, but no one know actual contractual relationship between Chen and Li. And now it is more obscured as the takeover SPV was Rossneri Sports Investment Lux, and the funding of send installment of €100M was from a BVI company "Rossoneri Advanced Co., Ltd.". Notability can't be transferred to from the club to related topic, so Li as the reported owner/actual head of the consortium, is he notable? Matthew_hk t c 17:55, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi all.
Probably a noobish question coming up. Does anyone know how to properly update the tables in the 2017 Dallas Cup article? I have had a fiddle around, looked at a few Wiki articles, but can't work out how to rightly update them. When initially putting them into the article, I used the same type of table you'd find on the FIFA World Cup qualifying tables. Have I forgotten to add something along with it, or is there a certain way the table has to be sorted in the edit? I generally have no idea.
Cheers. R96Skinner ( talk) 20:05, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Are Category:Soviet Cup and Category:FC Dinamo Tbilisi matches the correct categories for this article about football player? Player is not the cup season and player is not the club match. What is wrong in my logic? My removal of that categories was reverted by two users without any logic argumentation. [85] 194.50.51.252 ( talk) 11:55, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Footballer of the Year in Russia#Requested move 23 March 2017, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Yashovardhan ( talk) 03:33, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Footballer of the Year in Russia#Requested move 23 March 2017, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Yashovardhan ( talk) 03:33, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
I was looking at Billericay Town F.C. to look at the players there, I noticed one Kreshnic Krasniqi, surely he fails WP:N right? Govvy ( talk) 12:07, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
CONCACAF have published the squad listings for the 2017 CONCACAF U-17 Championship today. Unfortunately, the names that they have used for clubs do not match with what we have on WP:Football. Any help updating the article so that the club is accurate would be appreciated.
In some cases they've added the name of the school that the player attends in place of a club. I'm not entirely convinced that the school names should be included and think they should be displayed as 'Unattached'. What do others think? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 23:01, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Footballer of the Year in Russia#Requested move 23 March 2017, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Yashovardhan ( talk) 03:33, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
I was looking at Billericay Town F.C. to look at the players there, I noticed one Kreshnic Krasniqi, surely he fails WP:N right? Govvy ( talk) 12:07, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
CONCACAF have published the squad listings for the 2017 CONCACAF U-17 Championship today. Unfortunately, the names that they have used for clubs do not match with what we have on WP:Football. Any help updating the article so that the club is accurate would be appreciated.
In some cases they've added the name of the school that the player attends in place of a club. I'm not entirely convinced that the school names should be included and think they should be displayed as 'Unattached'. What do others think? TheBigJagielka ( talk) 23:01, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
What flag should be used for Alexander Nouri? Nouri was born in West Germany to an Iranian father and German mother, and holds dual citizenship to both countries. Nouri was never capped for a senior national team, but he played for the German U15 to U18 national teams in his youth, appearing in some youth tournament squads. GTVM92, however, seems to believe the Iranian flag should be used, as Nouri was invited to an Iran national team training camp (per this interview), but he never actually took part due to injury. Thoughts? S.A. Julio ( talk) 18:04, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
just warn the ip, quoting it is the agreement in Wikipedia:WikiProject Football the flag is depend on international (youth) cap, if they defy, report a block from ANI or vandal page (disruptive edit). So far it partially works on Franco Vázquez, just new ip and new pattern of vandal. Matthew_hk t c 20:50, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi.
I was wondering does anyone know when the Colombian Categoría Primera A went professional? Going by the reference added to the league at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues, it became pro in 2011? The reason I ask is because a few players I've seen played in the league in 2010 and don't have articles. If it did become pro in 2011, I assume these players who played in 2010 wouldn't be eligible for a Wikipedia article. Correct? R96Skinner ( talk) 13:49, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
No comments since January, please can uninvolved admin (or BOLD NAC if applicable) close Talk:Lagardère Sports and Entertainment/Archive 1#Merger Proposal? Giant Snowman 18:16, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Since the change from old First Division to Prem, and the new First Division changed to Championship, shouldn't each honour under the new structure be listed in the correct incarnation? For instances if you take Newcastle United F.C. for example, it has Football Championship won three times, when really they have only one it once in that incarnation of the league, should that not be split between the old version name and the new version? Govvy ( talk) 10:30, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Is Anthony Hudson (current NZ manager and former Bahrain manager) notable enough for his article to be changed to just "Anthony Hudson"? Currently, it's at "Anthony Hudson (manager)", which is a little deceiving in itself, and the Anthony Hudson article refers to a Australian sports commentator. Or should the Anthony Hudson article be changed to a disambiguation page, such as the one for Leonid Slutsky? APM ( talk) 17:23, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm reluctant to have anything to do with the Anthony Hudson article, which has been a mine of disinformation and puffery ever since its creation. However... He never played first-team football for West Ham or Luton: if he had, he'd appear on Soccerbase, and he doesn't. He joined NEC Nijmegen ahead of the 1999/2000 season, not in 2001. This season preview dated August 1999 in a Dutch newspaper lists him in NEC's squad and gives Luton as his previous club. Dutch sources from when he took over as NZ coach say he signed a two-year contract wih NEC but didn't see it out: e.g. this and this. The NEC website has match details going back nearly 30 years; the 1999–2000 ones seem complete, so if he'd played first-team football, his name would appear in a search of the site, and it doesn't. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 14:30, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
All members of the project are invited to comment on my request-- Kostas20142 ( talk) 13:29, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Do you peeps consider it a reliable source? Govvy ( talk) 19:42, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
There are a few unanswered requests for reassessment dating back to January. It would be appreciated if someone experienced in assessing articles would answer these. Many thanks. LTFC 95 ( talk) 18:47, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Evening all, I recently added totals to the two loan spells Darren Bent had in the career statistics table. The edit containing these totals was subsequently reverted by Mattythewhite - and probably rightly so according to WP:FOOTY/Players. I'm not a big fan of the layout provided in the template and thought I'd bring it up for discussion here.
The lack of a Total row at the end of each club, even if the player was only at said club for one season, breaks the chain so to speak. If you add up all the totals they don't correlate with the Career total because the single-season/loan season don't have totals. This makes tallying up the statistics a chore and breaks the general aesthetic of the table, with some club's having totals and others not. There is also nothing separating the loan spell with the player's next club which makes it seem as if the stats flow until the Total below.
It's a small thing but I'd like to have a discussion on it nonetheless. Cheers, Liam E. Bekker ( talk) 18:08, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Agreed with what LTFC95 says, completely. This is a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Giant Snowman 18:04, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
You're bringing up an edit from 3 years ago that has been surpassed by community consensus?! Jeez, scraping the barrel with a large stick. Giant Snowman 17:02, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm in favour of totals for all clubs (single or multiple seasons) OR no clubs. I feel Liam's original point that the subtotals don't add up can be confusing to the casual visitor is valid. But here is maybe a better alterative suggestion to consider; have Totals for all clubs, but only individual seasons for multi season clubs. I.e. Effectively colour single season lines grey as sub totals. Just need one additional column to label those rows as totals, Effect f which might be mitigated by removing some of the wikicreep multi cup columns. I see Henry has 11, Bent 13, Cr7 has 15 columns. ..combine domestic cups, combine continental/intercontinental, job done, heaps of space. Club Oranje T 10:56, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
User:ClubOranje/sandbox quick sample of how I envisanged it; ignore detail of the columns etc at this stage,just the general format of season and subtotal
idea Club Oranje T 13:35, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm bringing this up here, as I don't think Puskás Ferenc Stadion is on many people's watchlist. Pinging RuthStevens as she's been active on the page recently.
I just noticed that the Puskás Ferenc Stadion has 2 pages currently: one about the stadium before it's current reconstruction and one for the future after. Shouldn't both pages be merged as they are the same stadium? I don't recall opening new pages every time a stadium goes through reconstruction. -- SuperJew ( talk) 07:05, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Apparently this is standard practice. Personally I've never seen it done before. Any thoughts? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:44, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
It is evident from the responses in this discussion that there is strong consensus against the idea, therefore I will remove the linking. LTFC 95 ( talk) 12:15, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
I am finding him highly disruptive and very annoying. He continues to reword articles how he thinks they should be, I often read it and feel the English is far worse off after he has edited an article. I will just get pissed off and will revert every edit he does and I am not sure it's just me. I would like some help please to stop me going to the Dark Side! Cheers. Govvy ( talk) 12:04, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Since Harry Redknapp took charge of Birmingham Kranjcar's article has had a bit of vandalism, I don't think it needs semi-protect yet, but maybe it should be monitored a little more, cheers. Govvy ( talk) 19:17, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I have added a merge proposal hatnote for Sweeper to be merged with Defender. At first glance the text on the section and the separate article looks almost identical but obviously I would check and make sure everything worth including got added. Any input, please add either here or on the merge discussion. Thanks! Crowsus ( talk) 05:10, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
I have nominated Template:Association football positions and Template:FA National Futsal League for deletion here, if anyone would like to contribute. Jellyman ( talk) 06:58, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Hey guys, recently redid the India national football team page after wanting to do so for 3-4 years now. Not finished obviously, a lot more I want to do but I still thought about nominating it for GA so just in case anyone wanted a crack at it, it's there. Cheers. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 20:54, 25 April 2017 (UTC)