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This is an archive of the Food and drink WikiProject talk page for May 2007 |
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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As the heading indicates we should have one article that the project lists as a "model" article. Is there one article that members of this project already thinks the project can use as a sample or should we work on an article such as food?-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 17:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey Peter, once I get back from my vacation this next week I will help out on the article. I think that is the best one for us to concentrate on. Now that my course-load is a bit lighter, Ill have more time to really get to work on articles. I'll be back in a week, I'm off to Chicago and then I'll see what I can map out.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 21:16, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Just so people don't think I all of a sudden disappeared, I am finishing up term papers for the semester and then going away for a couple weeks. Spending a few days in Chicago eating at Charlie Trotter's and Alinea while there. So have fun until then.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 06:24, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to say welcome to the newest members of the project. Although I am still newish here myself, I find this project to be very near and dear to my heart and I will be working to get some more fun and active things going on here as I get back into the swing of things over the summer. I'm considering some sort of monthly post to send to people's discussion pages to let them know of any new developments, new members and other happenings in the food world, any opinions? I also want to work on the food article and get that up to Good Article status so we have an article we can stand behind and say it is an example of the project's fine work. So welcome to you guys here below, I hope you find this as fun as I have.
-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 05:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Does the
Fishing article belong in the scope of Food and Drink? It's already under the purview of
WikiProject Fishing and
WikiProject Sports. (NOT in the slightest saying that it isn't in this project's scope, and certainly multiple WikiProjects can cover an article.) It's just that I noticed the banner placement on my watchlist and I don't know if this project also covers how food is grown/hunted/fished/obtained. ;)
LaughingVulcan
Laugh With Me /
Logical Entries 01:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC) Nevermind - just reviewed the 'food' section of the article - my bad, sorry!
LaughingVulcan
Laugh With Me /
Logical Entries
01:14, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I spent quite a bit of time working in this article today after a review had been turned down for GA status. There is a list of items that need to be worked on to help bring it up to GA status on the talk page. It would be great to get this article to GA status so we can state that this is an article the project stands behind as a model sample for what we are looking for in a finished article.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 01:41, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Added a merge proposal link on the main page for three articles proposed for merger into one, you can also goto Horseshoe sandwich.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 03:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know who the editors are of these things? There is one for cuisine and then other ones for Chinese cuisine and then other cuisines have them as well. I think they are a good thing overall, however, their formating is very obtrusive to the top of any article they are placed in. They obviously upset many people when they get put in as well. I like the style that many of the state banners use such as at the bottom of the page of New York where it sits down at the bottom in case someone wants to use it and it is minimized as well so as not to take up more of the actual article than necessary when not in use. I'm hoping to get through to someone on this eventually.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 18:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I have to say this group has been keeping me busy with the amount of newly added articles for the project, I think that is a good thing though and I am happy to go through and assess them, however it may take me a few days to catch up once in awhile. Another 48 articles added today. I am happy to see the project so active (even if this discussion page isn't). Does anyone have an opinion of a notice sent out ever other week or once a month to update people on progress of things on the project , such as new members, articles to concentrate on and general information? I was considering putting together something like that to send out, but only if people would find it useful and appreciate the effort it would take from me. There is no sense in doing something if it is a fruitless endeavor.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 00:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm the person who has been adding so many seemingly random articles to the assessment pool. I was surprised at how few food articles linked to this project, so I thought I would try to help you out. It's been kind of fun following the category trees and seeing some of the more unusual foods out there. However, adding talk page banners is tedious work and it occurs to me that using a bot might a quicker way to do this. Since I am not a member of this project, I thought I'd better ask first. Using bots in this manner can be controversial; I guess the Math project got upset when someone did it without asking. So, would it be too overwhelming to have a bot go through Category:Foods and its sub-cats adding the talk page banner to all articles? This could create a large backlog of articles to assess ( WikiProject Comics, my usual stomping grounds, has a backlog of 7000 articles). If you think using a bot will be problematic, I will continue to add articles to the project by hand. If you like the idea, however, I was thinking of putting in a request to User:Snowbot. -- GentlemanGhost 18:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
A lot of articles about various food products have been assigned to projects that deal with the plants and animals from which those products are made of. I already removed some of them, like raisin and gravlax, but I hesitated when I started coming across articles like hákarl, which had been assigned to Wikipedia:WikiProject Sharks.
I'll probably ask around in the other projects, but I'd like to pose the question here first: should a food product made from a certain organism fall within the scope of projects that deal with the biology or zoology of that organism?
Peter Isotalo 17:24, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I placed a section on the main page for Top Importance nomination, but as this has received little attention, does anyone else have suggestions as to how we can go about this is a more expedient manner?-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 03:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I have updated the Food Portal today and yesterday. I removed the lengthy introduction and added the introduction from the Food article and placed that articles picture on the top of the page as well, which also happens to be the current picture used for this project. -- Christopher Tanner, CCC 17:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
As most of you noticed, I just sent out a newsletter I created for this project. I will be working on it to be sent out around the 1st of each month, which will coincide with the Food Portal update. If you have any suggestions, please fell free to contribute. There is a link on the newsletter to add suggestions for the next issue. I hope this will be helpful and assist in keeping the project active. On a side note, I have never created a bot (I barely know what a bot is) but I know that some other projects use them to deliver their newsletters. Could anyone assist me with that task, or even make a suggestion?-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 23:55, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks to some members, my job of rating articles just increased due to the amount of tags. And that bot isn't updating properly. -- Warfreak 07:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I was rating articles pretty heavily for a bit there, but Ive been trying to work on a couple of articles for a bit. I will try to help out a bit for a few hours on it this weekend if I get a chance.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 22:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I was planning on having a go at improving Agaricus bisporus, i.e. the common cultivated mushroom, for a tilt at FA sometime. Wikiproject fungi just got a first FA in Amanita phalloides which may serve as a model for another fungus. If anyone is keen to have a play it may make for a good cross-project collaboration.cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 05:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
We definitely need more members to do most of this work. I mean, 5 people cannot just fill out the entire stub section nor do we have the knowledge or time. Maybe a recruitment drive? Anyway, eliminated another 50 unclassified articles. -- Warfreak 01:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
It is overwhelming isn't it, I however think it is better to have these articles associated with the project in an unassesed capacity rather than not at all. I'm sure with some help we can get them done.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 16:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that this article was recently tagged as under the scope of this project, so I was wondering if anyone would be willing to help fill in a missing section. The history section currently lacks any information on important changes in the FDA's regulation of food & drink after the 1938 FD&C act that created the agency as we know it today. I wrote much of the drug-oriented content, but I don't have much expertise on the food side. Help would be greatly appreciated. - Rustavo Talk/ Contribs 23:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I've listed the class of the templete as cat since that will remove it from the unassessed page. If anyone has a problem, just reclass it so that it remains assessed. -- Warfreak 09:43, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Great job Warfreak, if any of you get a chance take a look at the French cuisine article which I have done a serious rewrite on and once I get a few more things added in the next week I will be submitting it for a FA nomination.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 18:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I read through the fondant article, fixed it up, and added a picture. It had a lot of grammatical errors, and the photo was requested. Loof1 03:22, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I think we need a new citation drive, so I would like to add the following link to the main page:
There are currently more than a dozen food related articles that lack appropriate citations for their content. Please help fix this issue by researching the contents of the articles that interest you most and properly citing them.
We than can create a page of articles that list them, formatted like the Destubbification Drive. I have a partial suggestion of the layout:
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Food preparation methods | ||
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Remember to make your citations in the proper format:
<ref> {{cite web |url=link |title=article name |author=Author name |publisher=The name of the site the article appeared in |date=Date article published |accessdate=When citation created }} </ref>
If the link is used more than once in the article, use the following format:
<ref name="unique name"> {{cite web |url=link |title=article name |author=Author name |publisher=The name of the site the article appeared in |date=Date article published |accessdate=When citation created }} </ref>
All following references will use that use the same source in that article will use the following:
<ref name="unique name"/>
how about it, would this be a good addition to the project?
Jerem43 04:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I have nominated French cuisine for GA status. Please help by putting in your thoughts.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 19:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I have edited the assessment banner to include a list function as well as a NA function for importance. However by default the NA sends articles to low importance which I believe it does with all other projects. It is my feeling that we can assess the categories for thier importance to the project, instead of just putting an NA on them, but the option is there but as I said it is almost a moot point as by default it becomes low importance. The List function does work though.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 06:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Someone proposed merging Tropical fruit and List of tropical fruittrees into List of fruits last year but no discussion was made about it. Please discuss. JohnnyMrNinja 08:13, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I have proposed a merger between Bean, Legume, Pulse (legume) and Fabaceae. Anyone interested can talk about it here. JohnnyMrNinja 01:19, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
any cooking experts are welcome to enter and help fix it up at Template:Cooking Techniques. Acidburn24m 15:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
To make it easier, I've created a redirect from "WPFOOD" to the longer template name. So when tagging food/drink pages that need to be tagged, you can just put {{WPFOOD}} to save time and keystrokes. Badagnani 03:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
While looking over the various stubs that have been made for this project, I noticed a glaring omission: US regional stubs. There are several US regional stub that should be added, I am thinking of these ones:
Anyone agree/disagree? Any other suggestions? Can someone make them as I have no clue as how to?
Jerem43 09:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Egg white#Cooking and preparation of egg whites has been tagged {{not verified}} for quite a few months. I think this is going to be common knowledge about chefs or something that someone with a good kitchen will be able to verify. Can someone from this project read over that section, confirm/deny the statements there and follow up to Talk:Egg white, and remove the tag? Thanks in advance! — mako ๛ 14:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to be deeply embroiled in updating smoking for some time now, but while reading sources related to it, more than one author has suggested that smoking is in a way very similar to eating and drinking, even if it naturally isn't an intake of nourishment per se. I'd like to hear some opinions about possible including the main article on smoking in the project.
Peter Isotalo 12:13, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Tanner-Christopher is taking a short wikibreak and will be back on Wikipedia on August 1 |
I don't know whether anyone is active on this wikiproject or not, but I thought I'd give it a try. I've been working on Coffee for a while, and I thought if anyone was interested, perhaps they'd like to help. Cheers, Jude. 02:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Saffron and Black pepper, and more specifically Maraba Coffee, may be good comparisons for an ultimate attempt at FAC.cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 04:37, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Spoo has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.-- Nydas (Talk) 12:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
The Food Portal has been updated for August (a day early, but I'll be busy so I'd rather it early than late) and the newsletter for August has been sent out to everyone as well. If anyone has any input for either item in the future please feel free to contact me. I hope everyone has been having a great summer. I just got back from eight days in Florida at the American Culinary Federation national convention, I took "best-of-show" for a garde manger presentation I presented there and my alma mater (SUNY Delhi) won a silver medal in the student team competition where they were representing the Northeast of the USA. -- Christopher Tanner, CCC 17:02, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Health and Nutrition On the pickled cucumber talk page, someone wanted nutrition facts. While this is good information about food, I know that entries are better if they follow the same format across the board. Is this information we should include about fairly unprocessed foods? What about more elaborate foods? If so, how can that be sourced? Or, should we refer to an external soure of food information?
How different is different enough?
What should qualify as a separate entry for foods -- how different does it need to be? Or how little difference should make it merge with a parent entry? Are there already standards on this, and if so, where do I find them, and if not, where should the question be posted to get best response?
I make Shepard's Pie all the time, with crust, meat (no wine, just tomatoes), corn/veggie layer, potatoes. But some people claim that something as far different as just meat (with rich sauce) with mashed yams on top is also Shepard's pie? How will we deal with this... distance? Food is necessarily a fluid, evolving world, and there aren't really "experts" so much as in other fields. What counts as citations? etc. Utopienne 17:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Utopienne
18:19, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Your list of chefs is on AFD at the moment, please help me improve it as I don't want to end up looking at some shitty plain list generated by the category system when I could have something which actually tells me why people are notable. Kappa 10:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
I have a great photo off a typical pancake with various fruits, syrup and cream. This is a great photo as it shows the detail of the untypical short and fat pancakes, if any one want me to add it to the page just ask, i shall at request put it on the pancake page. T saston 22:46, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
no one want the photo then... T saston 15:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Looking to get some more input on this. The suggestion I've put forward is to merge it with taste - I don't see any need for a separate article as the main one is only about gustation. Please drop by and vote/comment. Richard001 09:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I am new to this, but I noticed that one of the external links (Homebistro.com) goes to a website that sells food, I'm not sure if that's allowed? It doesn't have any explanation of the subject at all. Thanks, 20:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Could someone with knowledge of the subject please take a look at Ethoxyquin. This is a food additive (often a "preservative") that every site that isn't Wikipedia says is potentially harmful. The current article reads almost like propaganda, as it references an FDA statement from 1989. There are many reports from the FDA in the 18 year interim that suggest the opposite, besides the fact that the American FDA isn't the ultimate authority on everything. Also, is there any list or category with potentially harmful food additives? ~ JohnnyMrNinja 03:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I have proposed the demotion of List of vegetable oils as I feel it is a bad example to those looking to improve lists on Wikipedia. Plainly put it is badly formatted and inconsistent. See my reasoning at Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of vegetable oils. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 06:42, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Could nutrition information be placed with the various fruits and vegetables? I came to the Olive article looking for some nutrition information (such as antioxidant content), but couldn't find it. This external source answered my questions: Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Olives. Perhaps this source could be used to fill in nutritional information in various articles in this Wiki project? This Wiki project isn't my area of expertise, so I will defer to those of you who are working on it. Thanks! -- Dulcimerist 17:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to let everyone know on here that I have applied to be an administrator. I believe if I am nominated to become such I will be able to greater serve this project when people have issues as-well-as when I see issues. If you are an administrator and would like to support or oppose my nomination please stop by Requests for adminship/Tanner-Christopher.-- Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 21:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Cheeses is basically almost completely inactive, but it does have a template which seems to be in use. Propose that the existing content from that project be merged into this one. Whether that group should continue to exist as a task force/work group is another matter entirely, and one I personally have no strong opinion on. John Carter 19:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
FWIW, Coffee is at FAC. Should have FAs etc. on project page. cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 03:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey all, I am looking for a reassessment of the Burger King article. I have recently done significant work to it and feel that it might qualify for good article status. here are a couple of reasons:
As a primary contributer to the article, I feel that I am not qualified to nominate the article and really would like some outside feedback to see if my opinion is valid, and if it is of GA status, to have someone please make the nomination.
Thanks for the time, and don't be shy as I will take any criticism in good form while all the the time ranting and raving about it. - Jeremy ( Jerem43 19:43, 27 September 2007 (UTC))
I will Chris, but I really want some outside feedback if I should make any changes\upgrades etc before I do. - Jeremy ( Jerem43 20:25, 27 September 2007 (UTC))
Thanks for taking a look at it, I went on a correction spree in the thing and am going to continue working on these items you listed and cite to my little hearts content. - Jeremy ( Jerem43 16:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC))
So who has been the eager one that rated so many tagged articles recently?-- Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 18:53, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I obviously see what you mean now. There are many articles that I ran across as well with the same situation. I know about the 'lots of time thing for doing many things on here. Assessing is a tedious process as well and it is good that more people do this or check them as we get more viewpoints. As for drinks, I know most of the wine stuff was switched over to WikiProject Wine, but the other drink oriented projects do not have rating scales, so we should have our tag on them with the ability to have a rating system on them.--
Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC
22:38, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi guys. Just a quicky to draw people's attention to
Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Food_and_drink_articles_by_quality_statistics and the lack of Unassessed articles therein :-))))))) It's been a long slog, but hopefully worth it in allowing the Project to start setting some priorities. I've had a long day doing other stuff today, so I will leave some further thoughts until tomorrow, both on the priority-setting thing and more generally about the Project. In the meantime, I would invite as many people as possible to have a skim through
Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Food_and_drink_articles_by_quality/1 and following to see if there's any assessments they violently disagree with (bearing in mind
WP:CSB).
FlagSteward
00:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Would someone who hasn't got 165 articles left to assess :-)) like to review recent edits by Jnormy, sort out some of their titles and perhaps have a word? I don't doubt that the CIA is notable, but I suspect we have a WP:COI issue here, and the articles need a bit of wikifying. FlagSteward 17:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Honestly I've been wanting to work on the CIA article for sometime. I have taken many continuing education classes there and have some friends who teach there as well, so this just pushed me to make the article better. When I'm not so busy with classes I'll get some more done on it, my work on my cuisine articles has been falling behind though. Grad school takes up a lot of my time. I need to take a look at the CIA Greystone article as well, because at first glance it looks like it is heavily plagiarized as well. I think it is better working in tandem like that anyhow, with you putting in the request and myself working through the issue as I know the school well. As soon as I saw Tim Ryan's article I knew it was plagiarism from some of the press releases I had read recently.
Great job and a thanks from everyone I am sure for getting those rated articles down to zero. A true accomplishment that I was proud of many months ago and then we had that big jump. I have to say I am glad we have so many more articles associated with us now though.-- Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 01:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Pot roast should not be listed as a cut of beef. It's a way to cook a cut of beef. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patchogue ( talk • contribs) 20:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
As part of the aftermath of my assessment marathon (BTW thanks for the barnstar Christopher :-) ) I've redone the Destubbification page - all the Top and High Stubs are now highlighted at the top, and I've cleaned out the ones from the list below that are no longer Stubs. On a similar vein, some of you will know of my 'diagonals' theory, that I regard it as equally important to get Top Start -> B as it is High Stubs -> Start. The nice thing is that it is fairly easy for one person to get an article up into B territory and it does make that article a lot more useful to non-specialists, getting to GA or beyond is much tougher, with diminishing returns. So here are the current Top Starts, roughly ordered :
Obviously the Top Stubs are even more pressing - Condiment, Dairy product, Dish (food), Herb - although might I be slightly controversial and suggest that while Dish (food) is obviously a very important concept - is it just a Wiktionary definition? I just feel that any "Top" article should have the potential for a pretty chunky article - and I'm just not 'feeling' it on that one. Perhaps the industry insiders will disagree. I'm not volunteering for a destubbification drive BTW - I've got too much to do back at the Wine Project :-), but I might knock off one or two, like British cuisine for instance. FlagSteward 17:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello fellow foodists, I'd been watching this page for some time and had tried contributing once long ago, to little success because I had very little idea of Wiki's ins and outs. I was not aware that my very first intervention created a fuss because I never received any notification. For my past behavior, please accept my apologies. Today I had a few hours to spare so I decided to contribute in a positive way and add references to many many paragraphs that had none and do some cleaning up of double info, mostly in the "managing" section but also in the definitions, and "nutritional concerns". I've made only minor corrections and or deleted doubles in other areas. I hope this will help the article progress in it's quality scale. The main areas of confusion were generally due to people not properly distinguishing between types of lactose intolerance and hopefully the reference I put forth in the intro will clarify things for the future. My lack of expertise in wiki footnote/reference formatting will unfortunately be pretty obvious to you. I am learning... My presence on Wiki is patchy due to the nature of my work. If you have any communications which remain unanswered for any length of time, please send me a email. Truly-- Tallard 10:16, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Would you believe that this article, one of the fundamental articles related to this project and the WikiProject Foodservice, has only two (2) citations? That is nuts. We really need to make this one a priority I think, it needs to be a GA.
- Jeremy ( Jerem43 18:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC))
A monthly Article Improvement Drive has been bouncing around me old head for a little while, especially after looking at the McDonald's family of articles. They are bad, and I mean bad. It seems that people think that every little thing that the company should be listed with its own article, there must be two-three dozen stubs. There are articles about McDonald's version of fruit salad, its individual flavors of shake, it's version of chicken strips and the killer- articles about each one of its slogans. I have proposed at least a dozen merger proposals for redundant, non-notable products or ad concepts.
-Jeremy ( Jerem43 01:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC))
I just fixed the list-class and NA (non-article) importance for the assessment banner. I know someone mentioned a while ago there was an issue and I just figured it out finally when building assessment banners for the Beer and Cheeses projects.-- Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 05:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
hello - looking for an infobox template on beverages ... where can i find it? cheers, PaddyM 20:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
-- Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 15:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I have come across Open cuisine while patrolling new articles with possible COI (it has been created by User:Foodizmo, who has made few edits outside this article, and something called the 'Foodizmo project' is mentioned in the article). I am not sure how credible the article is and would be grateful if you would look it over. Thanks. -- Malcolmxl5 22:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I apologize to everyone, I just realized that the October newsletter never went out to anyone. It was posted on the main page of the project, but oops not to any of you. I'd send it out now but a new issue will be coming out in about a week anyways so I'll just send it to all of you then. If anyone is interested in proposing an article for an "Improvement drive" next month let me know.-- Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 06:48, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Restaurant It is bad baby, bad...
We will need to settle on formating issues, specifically citation formats, before working on this article.
- Jeremy ( Jerem43 05:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)) Sox won
Hi. I have just contributed to the debate on the main page, and I noted this line in the introduction: after 5 supports or 14 days with a majority in "support", the article shall be raised to Top importance. Now, while I can fully get behind discussing importance nominations (and I wish it happened in more wikiprojects that I am involved with!) this approach is in direct contravention of WP:DEMOCRACY. Put simply, Wikipedia is goverened by discussion and consensus, not polling. A single, reasoned, cogent argument is worth more than any number of "votes". I'm not suggesting that any member of this project would descend to mindless "Support per nom" idiocy, but that is what this current system encourages. Can we please think about removing that line and leaving the discussion as simply that: an open discussion, through which consensus can be built, please? Pyrop e 14:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
First, I am new to the project; I have been in Wikiproject:Mixed drinks for a while, and recently decided to do a spat of work that dovetailed with this project, so I joined y'all.
So in a fit of realizing I have TOO MUCH INFO in my brain about chefs who appear on tv (not, please, 'celebrity chefs', as to be honest, I know *nothing* about Rachael Ray, Sandra Lee, Nigella Lawson, etc), I decided to start working on bios of real chefs for WP. I've started with the chefs on The Next Iron Chef, mostly because I wanted a page on Chris Cosentino (whose blog, Offal Good, I read regularly), and there was a nice neat list of chefs to start with. I've done John Besh, Chris Cosentino and Michael Symon in the last 24 hours (they are the easiest of the contestants to bio), and will be working on the rest of them on a day by day basis (Jill Davie has hosted some cooking shows, and Gavin Kaysen has gotten a lot of press recently over his promotion at Daniel Boulud's (his page really needs to be cited), so they should be easily done tomorrow, leaving me with Sanchez and Molou, since Traci Des Jardins already had a page).
I would really appreciate input and contributions on John Besh, Chris Cosentino and Michael Symon. I'd especially appreciate a look at Cosentino, as his entry was deleted at the beginning of the year for not being notable. I believe he has crossed the line, with all the coverage he's had this year (even pre-NICA), but an extra look to make sure I've stated why he is notable would be great. Thanks!-- Thespian 00:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
it would be great to make a template with links to all the different kinds of peppers. (bell peppers, etc) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.47.161.106 ( talk) 00:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Gimme a list and a break down of the like types and I will try.
- Jeremy ( Jerem43 05:16, 31 October 2007 (UTC))
In the referenced article used to validate Shea butter's claimed anti-inflammatory properties @ PubMed (PMID:15779163),Shea butter is described as an "excepient" - an inactive medicinal base used to carry the active ingredient, which in this case is in actuality the extract of Khaya senegalensis. However, another PubMed article (PMID:14619690) claims that Shea butter released aureomyicn at a faster rate and more easily than other tested excepients (petroleum jelly and lanolin oil), and this is relevant to the Shea butter article as PMID:15779163 is to the article on Khaya senegalensis. - James D. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.7.67.5 ( talk) 04:23, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
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This is an archive of the Food and drink WikiProject talk page for May 2007 |
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As the heading indicates we should have one article that the project lists as a "model" article. Is there one article that members of this project already thinks the project can use as a sample or should we work on an article such as food?-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 17:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey Peter, once I get back from my vacation this next week I will help out on the article. I think that is the best one for us to concentrate on. Now that my course-load is a bit lighter, Ill have more time to really get to work on articles. I'll be back in a week, I'm off to Chicago and then I'll see what I can map out.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 21:16, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Just so people don't think I all of a sudden disappeared, I am finishing up term papers for the semester and then going away for a couple weeks. Spending a few days in Chicago eating at Charlie Trotter's and Alinea while there. So have fun until then.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 06:24, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to say welcome to the newest members of the project. Although I am still newish here myself, I find this project to be very near and dear to my heart and I will be working to get some more fun and active things going on here as I get back into the swing of things over the summer. I'm considering some sort of monthly post to send to people's discussion pages to let them know of any new developments, new members and other happenings in the food world, any opinions? I also want to work on the food article and get that up to Good Article status so we have an article we can stand behind and say it is an example of the project's fine work. So welcome to you guys here below, I hope you find this as fun as I have.
-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 05:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Does the
Fishing article belong in the scope of Food and Drink? It's already under the purview of
WikiProject Fishing and
WikiProject Sports. (NOT in the slightest saying that it isn't in this project's scope, and certainly multiple WikiProjects can cover an article.) It's just that I noticed the banner placement on my watchlist and I don't know if this project also covers how food is grown/hunted/fished/obtained. ;)
LaughingVulcan
Laugh With Me /
Logical Entries 01:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC) Nevermind - just reviewed the 'food' section of the article - my bad, sorry!
LaughingVulcan
Laugh With Me /
Logical Entries
01:14, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I spent quite a bit of time working in this article today after a review had been turned down for GA status. There is a list of items that need to be worked on to help bring it up to GA status on the talk page. It would be great to get this article to GA status so we can state that this is an article the project stands behind as a model sample for what we are looking for in a finished article.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 01:41, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Added a merge proposal link on the main page for three articles proposed for merger into one, you can also goto Horseshoe sandwich.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 03:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know who the editors are of these things? There is one for cuisine and then other ones for Chinese cuisine and then other cuisines have them as well. I think they are a good thing overall, however, their formating is very obtrusive to the top of any article they are placed in. They obviously upset many people when they get put in as well. I like the style that many of the state banners use such as at the bottom of the page of New York where it sits down at the bottom in case someone wants to use it and it is minimized as well so as not to take up more of the actual article than necessary when not in use. I'm hoping to get through to someone on this eventually.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 18:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I have to say this group has been keeping me busy with the amount of newly added articles for the project, I think that is a good thing though and I am happy to go through and assess them, however it may take me a few days to catch up once in awhile. Another 48 articles added today. I am happy to see the project so active (even if this discussion page isn't). Does anyone have an opinion of a notice sent out ever other week or once a month to update people on progress of things on the project , such as new members, articles to concentrate on and general information? I was considering putting together something like that to send out, but only if people would find it useful and appreciate the effort it would take from me. There is no sense in doing something if it is a fruitless endeavor.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 00:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm the person who has been adding so many seemingly random articles to the assessment pool. I was surprised at how few food articles linked to this project, so I thought I would try to help you out. It's been kind of fun following the category trees and seeing some of the more unusual foods out there. However, adding talk page banners is tedious work and it occurs to me that using a bot might a quicker way to do this. Since I am not a member of this project, I thought I'd better ask first. Using bots in this manner can be controversial; I guess the Math project got upset when someone did it without asking. So, would it be too overwhelming to have a bot go through Category:Foods and its sub-cats adding the talk page banner to all articles? This could create a large backlog of articles to assess ( WikiProject Comics, my usual stomping grounds, has a backlog of 7000 articles). If you think using a bot will be problematic, I will continue to add articles to the project by hand. If you like the idea, however, I was thinking of putting in a request to User:Snowbot. -- GentlemanGhost 18:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
A lot of articles about various food products have been assigned to projects that deal with the plants and animals from which those products are made of. I already removed some of them, like raisin and gravlax, but I hesitated when I started coming across articles like hákarl, which had been assigned to Wikipedia:WikiProject Sharks.
I'll probably ask around in the other projects, but I'd like to pose the question here first: should a food product made from a certain organism fall within the scope of projects that deal with the biology or zoology of that organism?
Peter Isotalo 17:24, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I placed a section on the main page for Top Importance nomination, but as this has received little attention, does anyone else have suggestions as to how we can go about this is a more expedient manner?-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 03:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I have updated the Food Portal today and yesterday. I removed the lengthy introduction and added the introduction from the Food article and placed that articles picture on the top of the page as well, which also happens to be the current picture used for this project. -- Christopher Tanner, CCC 17:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
As most of you noticed, I just sent out a newsletter I created for this project. I will be working on it to be sent out around the 1st of each month, which will coincide with the Food Portal update. If you have any suggestions, please fell free to contribute. There is a link on the newsletter to add suggestions for the next issue. I hope this will be helpful and assist in keeping the project active. On a side note, I have never created a bot (I barely know what a bot is) but I know that some other projects use them to deliver their newsletters. Could anyone assist me with that task, or even make a suggestion?-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 23:55, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks to some members, my job of rating articles just increased due to the amount of tags. And that bot isn't updating properly. -- Warfreak 07:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I was rating articles pretty heavily for a bit there, but Ive been trying to work on a couple of articles for a bit. I will try to help out a bit for a few hours on it this weekend if I get a chance.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 22:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I was planning on having a go at improving Agaricus bisporus, i.e. the common cultivated mushroom, for a tilt at FA sometime. Wikiproject fungi just got a first FA in Amanita phalloides which may serve as a model for another fungus. If anyone is keen to have a play it may make for a good cross-project collaboration.cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 05:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
We definitely need more members to do most of this work. I mean, 5 people cannot just fill out the entire stub section nor do we have the knowledge or time. Maybe a recruitment drive? Anyway, eliminated another 50 unclassified articles. -- Warfreak 01:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
It is overwhelming isn't it, I however think it is better to have these articles associated with the project in an unassesed capacity rather than not at all. I'm sure with some help we can get them done.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 16:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that this article was recently tagged as under the scope of this project, so I was wondering if anyone would be willing to help fill in a missing section. The history section currently lacks any information on important changes in the FDA's regulation of food & drink after the 1938 FD&C act that created the agency as we know it today. I wrote much of the drug-oriented content, but I don't have much expertise on the food side. Help would be greatly appreciated. - Rustavo Talk/ Contribs 23:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I've listed the class of the templete as cat since that will remove it from the unassessed page. If anyone has a problem, just reclass it so that it remains assessed. -- Warfreak 09:43, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Great job Warfreak, if any of you get a chance take a look at the French cuisine article which I have done a serious rewrite on and once I get a few more things added in the next week I will be submitting it for a FA nomination.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 18:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I read through the fondant article, fixed it up, and added a picture. It had a lot of grammatical errors, and the photo was requested. Loof1 03:22, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I think we need a new citation drive, so I would like to add the following link to the main page:
There are currently more than a dozen food related articles that lack appropriate citations for their content. Please help fix this issue by researching the contents of the articles that interest you most and properly citing them.
We than can create a page of articles that list them, formatted like the Destubbification Drive. I have a partial suggestion of the layout:
Restaurants & food service | ||
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Food preparation methods | ||
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Foods | ||
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Remember to make your citations in the proper format:
<ref> {{cite web |url=link |title=article name |author=Author name |publisher=The name of the site the article appeared in |date=Date article published |accessdate=When citation created }} </ref>
If the link is used more than once in the article, use the following format:
<ref name="unique name"> {{cite web |url=link |title=article name |author=Author name |publisher=The name of the site the article appeared in |date=Date article published |accessdate=When citation created }} </ref>
All following references will use that use the same source in that article will use the following:
<ref name="unique name"/>
how about it, would this be a good addition to the project?
Jerem43 04:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I have nominated French cuisine for GA status. Please help by putting in your thoughts.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 19:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I have edited the assessment banner to include a list function as well as a NA function for importance. However by default the NA sends articles to low importance which I believe it does with all other projects. It is my feeling that we can assess the categories for thier importance to the project, instead of just putting an NA on them, but the option is there but as I said it is almost a moot point as by default it becomes low importance. The List function does work though.-- Christopher Tanner, CCC 06:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Someone proposed merging Tropical fruit and List of tropical fruittrees into List of fruits last year but no discussion was made about it. Please discuss. JohnnyMrNinja 08:13, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I have proposed a merger between Bean, Legume, Pulse (legume) and Fabaceae. Anyone interested can talk about it here. JohnnyMrNinja 01:19, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
any cooking experts are welcome to enter and help fix it up at Template:Cooking Techniques. Acidburn24m 15:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
To make it easier, I've created a redirect from "WPFOOD" to the longer template name. So when tagging food/drink pages that need to be tagged, you can just put {{WPFOOD}} to save time and keystrokes. Badagnani 03:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
While looking over the various stubs that have been made for this project, I noticed a glaring omission: US regional stubs. There are several US regional stub that should be added, I am thinking of these ones:
Anyone agree/disagree? Any other suggestions? Can someone make them as I have no clue as how to?
Jerem43 09:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Egg white#Cooking and preparation of egg whites has been tagged {{not verified}} for quite a few months. I think this is going to be common knowledge about chefs or something that someone with a good kitchen will be able to verify. Can someone from this project read over that section, confirm/deny the statements there and follow up to Talk:Egg white, and remove the tag? Thanks in advance! — mako ๛ 14:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to be deeply embroiled in updating smoking for some time now, but while reading sources related to it, more than one author has suggested that smoking is in a way very similar to eating and drinking, even if it naturally isn't an intake of nourishment per se. I'd like to hear some opinions about possible including the main article on smoking in the project.
Peter Isotalo 12:13, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Tanner-Christopher is taking a short wikibreak and will be back on Wikipedia on August 1 |
I don't know whether anyone is active on this wikiproject or not, but I thought I'd give it a try. I've been working on Coffee for a while, and I thought if anyone was interested, perhaps they'd like to help. Cheers, Jude. 02:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Saffron and Black pepper, and more specifically Maraba Coffee, may be good comparisons for an ultimate attempt at FAC.cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 04:37, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Spoo has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.-- Nydas (Talk) 12:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
The Food Portal has been updated for August (a day early, but I'll be busy so I'd rather it early than late) and the newsletter for August has been sent out to everyone as well. If anyone has any input for either item in the future please feel free to contact me. I hope everyone has been having a great summer. I just got back from eight days in Florida at the American Culinary Federation national convention, I took "best-of-show" for a garde manger presentation I presented there and my alma mater (SUNY Delhi) won a silver medal in the student team competition where they were representing the Northeast of the USA. -- Christopher Tanner, CCC 17:02, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Health and Nutrition On the pickled cucumber talk page, someone wanted nutrition facts. While this is good information about food, I know that entries are better if they follow the same format across the board. Is this information we should include about fairly unprocessed foods? What about more elaborate foods? If so, how can that be sourced? Or, should we refer to an external soure of food information?
How different is different enough?
What should qualify as a separate entry for foods -- how different does it need to be? Or how little difference should make it merge with a parent entry? Are there already standards on this, and if so, where do I find them, and if not, where should the question be posted to get best response?
I make Shepard's Pie all the time, with crust, meat (no wine, just tomatoes), corn/veggie layer, potatoes. But some people claim that something as far different as just meat (with rich sauce) with mashed yams on top is also Shepard's pie? How will we deal with this... distance? Food is necessarily a fluid, evolving world, and there aren't really "experts" so much as in other fields. What counts as citations? etc. Utopienne 17:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Utopienne
18:19, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Your list of chefs is on AFD at the moment, please help me improve it as I don't want to end up looking at some shitty plain list generated by the category system when I could have something which actually tells me why people are notable. Kappa 10:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
I have a great photo off a typical pancake with various fruits, syrup and cream. This is a great photo as it shows the detail of the untypical short and fat pancakes, if any one want me to add it to the page just ask, i shall at request put it on the pancake page. T saston 22:46, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
no one want the photo then... T saston 15:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Looking to get some more input on this. The suggestion I've put forward is to merge it with taste - I don't see any need for a separate article as the main one is only about gustation. Please drop by and vote/comment. Richard001 09:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I am new to this, but I noticed that one of the external links (Homebistro.com) goes to a website that sells food, I'm not sure if that's allowed? It doesn't have any explanation of the subject at all. Thanks, 20:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Could someone with knowledge of the subject please take a look at Ethoxyquin. This is a food additive (often a "preservative") that every site that isn't Wikipedia says is potentially harmful. The current article reads almost like propaganda, as it references an FDA statement from 1989. There are many reports from the FDA in the 18 year interim that suggest the opposite, besides the fact that the American FDA isn't the ultimate authority on everything. Also, is there any list or category with potentially harmful food additives? ~ JohnnyMrNinja 03:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I have proposed the demotion of List of vegetable oils as I feel it is a bad example to those looking to improve lists on Wikipedia. Plainly put it is badly formatted and inconsistent. See my reasoning at Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of vegetable oils. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 06:42, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Could nutrition information be placed with the various fruits and vegetables? I came to the Olive article looking for some nutrition information (such as antioxidant content), but couldn't find it. This external source answered my questions: Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Olives. Perhaps this source could be used to fill in nutritional information in various articles in this Wiki project? This Wiki project isn't my area of expertise, so I will defer to those of you who are working on it. Thanks! -- Dulcimerist 17:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to let everyone know on here that I have applied to be an administrator. I believe if I am nominated to become such I will be able to greater serve this project when people have issues as-well-as when I see issues. If you are an administrator and would like to support or oppose my nomination please stop by Requests for adminship/Tanner-Christopher.-- Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 21:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Cheeses is basically almost completely inactive, but it does have a template which seems to be in use. Propose that the existing content from that project be merged into this one. Whether that group should continue to exist as a task force/work group is another matter entirely, and one I personally have no strong opinion on. John Carter 19:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
FWIW, Coffee is at FAC. Should have FAs etc. on project page. cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 03:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey all, I am looking for a reassessment of the Burger King article. I have recently done significant work to it and feel that it might qualify for good article status. here are a couple of reasons:
As a primary contributer to the article, I feel that I am not qualified to nominate the article and really would like some outside feedback to see if my opinion is valid, and if it is of GA status, to have someone please make the nomination.
Thanks for the time, and don't be shy as I will take any criticism in good form while all the the time ranting and raving about it. - Jeremy ( Jerem43 19:43, 27 September 2007 (UTC))
I will Chris, but I really want some outside feedback if I should make any changes\upgrades etc before I do. - Jeremy ( Jerem43 20:25, 27 September 2007 (UTC))
Thanks for taking a look at it, I went on a correction spree in the thing and am going to continue working on these items you listed and cite to my little hearts content. - Jeremy ( Jerem43 16:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC))
So who has been the eager one that rated so many tagged articles recently?-- Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 18:53, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I obviously see what you mean now. There are many articles that I ran across as well with the same situation. I know about the 'lots of time thing for doing many things on here. Assessing is a tedious process as well and it is good that more people do this or check them as we get more viewpoints. As for drinks, I know most of the wine stuff was switched over to WikiProject Wine, but the other drink oriented projects do not have rating scales, so we should have our tag on them with the ability to have a rating system on them.--
Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC
22:38, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi guys. Just a quicky to draw people's attention to
Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Food_and_drink_articles_by_quality_statistics and the lack of Unassessed articles therein :-))))))) It's been a long slog, but hopefully worth it in allowing the Project to start setting some priorities. I've had a long day doing other stuff today, so I will leave some further thoughts until tomorrow, both on the priority-setting thing and more generally about the Project. In the meantime, I would invite as many people as possible to have a skim through
Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Food_and_drink_articles_by_quality/1 and following to see if there's any assessments they violently disagree with (bearing in mind
WP:CSB).
FlagSteward
00:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Would someone who hasn't got 165 articles left to assess :-)) like to review recent edits by Jnormy, sort out some of their titles and perhaps have a word? I don't doubt that the CIA is notable, but I suspect we have a WP:COI issue here, and the articles need a bit of wikifying. FlagSteward 17:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Honestly I've been wanting to work on the CIA article for sometime. I have taken many continuing education classes there and have some friends who teach there as well, so this just pushed me to make the article better. When I'm not so busy with classes I'll get some more done on it, my work on my cuisine articles has been falling behind though. Grad school takes up a lot of my time. I need to take a look at the CIA Greystone article as well, because at first glance it looks like it is heavily plagiarized as well. I think it is better working in tandem like that anyhow, with you putting in the request and myself working through the issue as I know the school well. As soon as I saw Tim Ryan's article I knew it was plagiarism from some of the press releases I had read recently.
Great job and a thanks from everyone I am sure for getting those rated articles down to zero. A true accomplishment that I was proud of many months ago and then we had that big jump. I have to say I am glad we have so many more articles associated with us now though.-- Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 01:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Pot roast should not be listed as a cut of beef. It's a way to cook a cut of beef. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patchogue ( talk • contribs) 20:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
As part of the aftermath of my assessment marathon (BTW thanks for the barnstar Christopher :-) ) I've redone the Destubbification page - all the Top and High Stubs are now highlighted at the top, and I've cleaned out the ones from the list below that are no longer Stubs. On a similar vein, some of you will know of my 'diagonals' theory, that I regard it as equally important to get Top Start -> B as it is High Stubs -> Start. The nice thing is that it is fairly easy for one person to get an article up into B territory and it does make that article a lot more useful to non-specialists, getting to GA or beyond is much tougher, with diminishing returns. So here are the current Top Starts, roughly ordered :
Obviously the Top Stubs are even more pressing - Condiment, Dairy product, Dish (food), Herb - although might I be slightly controversial and suggest that while Dish (food) is obviously a very important concept - is it just a Wiktionary definition? I just feel that any "Top" article should have the potential for a pretty chunky article - and I'm just not 'feeling' it on that one. Perhaps the industry insiders will disagree. I'm not volunteering for a destubbification drive BTW - I've got too much to do back at the Wine Project :-), but I might knock off one or two, like British cuisine for instance. FlagSteward 17:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello fellow foodists, I'd been watching this page for some time and had tried contributing once long ago, to little success because I had very little idea of Wiki's ins and outs. I was not aware that my very first intervention created a fuss because I never received any notification. For my past behavior, please accept my apologies. Today I had a few hours to spare so I decided to contribute in a positive way and add references to many many paragraphs that had none and do some cleaning up of double info, mostly in the "managing" section but also in the definitions, and "nutritional concerns". I've made only minor corrections and or deleted doubles in other areas. I hope this will help the article progress in it's quality scale. The main areas of confusion were generally due to people not properly distinguishing between types of lactose intolerance and hopefully the reference I put forth in the intro will clarify things for the future. My lack of expertise in wiki footnote/reference formatting will unfortunately be pretty obvious to you. I am learning... My presence on Wiki is patchy due to the nature of my work. If you have any communications which remain unanswered for any length of time, please send me a email. Truly-- Tallard 10:16, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Would you believe that this article, one of the fundamental articles related to this project and the WikiProject Foodservice, has only two (2) citations? That is nuts. We really need to make this one a priority I think, it needs to be a GA.
- Jeremy ( Jerem43 18:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC))
A monthly Article Improvement Drive has been bouncing around me old head for a little while, especially after looking at the McDonald's family of articles. They are bad, and I mean bad. It seems that people think that every little thing that the company should be listed with its own article, there must be two-three dozen stubs. There are articles about McDonald's version of fruit salad, its individual flavors of shake, it's version of chicken strips and the killer- articles about each one of its slogans. I have proposed at least a dozen merger proposals for redundant, non-notable products or ad concepts.
-Jeremy ( Jerem43 01:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC))
I just fixed the list-class and NA (non-article) importance for the assessment banner. I know someone mentioned a while ago there was an issue and I just figured it out finally when building assessment banners for the Beer and Cheeses projects.-- Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 05:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
hello - looking for an infobox template on beverages ... where can i find it? cheers, PaddyM 20:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
-- Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 15:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I have come across Open cuisine while patrolling new articles with possible COI (it has been created by User:Foodizmo, who has made few edits outside this article, and something called the 'Foodizmo project' is mentioned in the article). I am not sure how credible the article is and would be grateful if you would look it over. Thanks. -- Malcolmxl5 22:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I apologize to everyone, I just realized that the October newsletter never went out to anyone. It was posted on the main page of the project, but oops not to any of you. I'd send it out now but a new issue will be coming out in about a week anyways so I'll just send it to all of you then. If anyone is interested in proposing an article for an "Improvement drive" next month let me know.-- Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 06:48, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Restaurant It is bad baby, bad...
We will need to settle on formating issues, specifically citation formats, before working on this article.
- Jeremy ( Jerem43 05:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)) Sox won
Hi. I have just contributed to the debate on the main page, and I noted this line in the introduction: after 5 supports or 14 days with a majority in "support", the article shall be raised to Top importance. Now, while I can fully get behind discussing importance nominations (and I wish it happened in more wikiprojects that I am involved with!) this approach is in direct contravention of WP:DEMOCRACY. Put simply, Wikipedia is goverened by discussion and consensus, not polling. A single, reasoned, cogent argument is worth more than any number of "votes". I'm not suggesting that any member of this project would descend to mindless "Support per nom" idiocy, but that is what this current system encourages. Can we please think about removing that line and leaving the discussion as simply that: an open discussion, through which consensus can be built, please? Pyrop e 14:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
First, I am new to the project; I have been in Wikiproject:Mixed drinks for a while, and recently decided to do a spat of work that dovetailed with this project, so I joined y'all.
So in a fit of realizing I have TOO MUCH INFO in my brain about chefs who appear on tv (not, please, 'celebrity chefs', as to be honest, I know *nothing* about Rachael Ray, Sandra Lee, Nigella Lawson, etc), I decided to start working on bios of real chefs for WP. I've started with the chefs on The Next Iron Chef, mostly because I wanted a page on Chris Cosentino (whose blog, Offal Good, I read regularly), and there was a nice neat list of chefs to start with. I've done John Besh, Chris Cosentino and Michael Symon in the last 24 hours (they are the easiest of the contestants to bio), and will be working on the rest of them on a day by day basis (Jill Davie has hosted some cooking shows, and Gavin Kaysen has gotten a lot of press recently over his promotion at Daniel Boulud's (his page really needs to be cited), so they should be easily done tomorrow, leaving me with Sanchez and Molou, since Traci Des Jardins already had a page).
I would really appreciate input and contributions on John Besh, Chris Cosentino and Michael Symon. I'd especially appreciate a look at Cosentino, as his entry was deleted at the beginning of the year for not being notable. I believe he has crossed the line, with all the coverage he's had this year (even pre-NICA), but an extra look to make sure I've stated why he is notable would be great. Thanks!-- Thespian 00:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
it would be great to make a template with links to all the different kinds of peppers. (bell peppers, etc) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.47.161.106 ( talk) 00:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Gimme a list and a break down of the like types and I will try.
- Jeremy ( Jerem43 05:16, 31 October 2007 (UTC))
In the referenced article used to validate Shea butter's claimed anti-inflammatory properties @ PubMed (PMID:15779163),Shea butter is described as an "excepient" - an inactive medicinal base used to carry the active ingredient, which in this case is in actuality the extract of Khaya senegalensis. However, another PubMed article (PMID:14619690) claims that Shea butter released aureomyicn at a faster rate and more easily than other tested excepients (petroleum jelly and lanolin oil), and this is relevant to the Shea butter article as PMID:15779163 is to the article on Khaya senegalensis. - James D. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.7.67.5 ( talk) 04:23, 31 October 2007 (UTC)