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In tagging silent film stub articles, I have noticed that a lot of the silent films from the 1920s require 2 stub tags. For those that fall into more that one genre, this is fine, but for those that are simply either comedies or dramas, it seems redundant to add both {{ 1920s-drama-film-stub}} and {{ silent-drama-film-stub}} to the same article. I propose creating two new tags: {{ 1920s-silent-comedy-film-stub}} and {{ 1920s-silent-drama-film-stub}}, along with the corresponding categories. This would still include the article in the categories of either Category:1920s comedy film stubs/ Category:Silent comedy film stubs or Category:1920s drama film stubs/ Category:Silent drama film stubs, but would eliminate the need for 2 comedy tags or 2 drama tags on the same article. Thoughts? Fortdj33 ( talk) 14:54, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
I've been hard at work assembling reference material to expand a bunch of silent film articles, especially Balboa and early Fox stuff. One of my first efforts has given me a ... challenge. To wit, how to credit the director for the 1914 St. Elmo. Contemporary Billboard credits Bertram Bracken, as does the 1914 Who's Who in the Film World. Solomon's 2011 monograph on Fox films seems to give the nod to Bracken as director, but doesn't really spend much time discussing this film (Solomon's safely canonical on most Fox material, but this isn't a Fox film). However, St. Elmo has long appeared in other sources as J. Gordon Edwards's directorial debut. That's Alan Goble's opinion, and the position of both the AFI and the Library of Congress's American Silent Feature Film Database.
So far, I've simply presented both possibilities. But, the more I reflect on this, should we consider the AFI and Library of Congress to be canonical (making note of the period sources that cite Bracken)? Or is doing so original research? Also, how do we list this credit in Edwards's filmography (currently I've gone with "maybe", but that's not exactly ideal)? Squeamish Ossifrage ( talk) 18:52, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
A quick catscan shows that there are about 286 articles included in both Category:1910s comedy film stubs and Category:Short silent comedy film stubs, plus 220 articles that are included in both Category:1910s drama film stubs and Category:Short silent drama film stubs! Again, I feel that it is redundant to include the same article in both categories. Since the "1910s" categories are overpopulated, are there any objections to me removing the {{ 1910s-comedy-film-stub}} and {{ 1910s-drama-film-stub}} tags from those articles? Fortdj33 ( talk) 22:05, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Please forgive me for side-tracking : is there a category for films with no images ? I would very much appreciate for example the challenge of voiding a category such as 1915 films with no illustration. Cheers, — Racconish 📥 10:37, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Just a question - how do we have nearly 7,100 stubs yet have less than a sixth of the total films released? From a purely tracking standpoint this seems a bit amazing, and I think we need to set up Article Alerts to better give notice to AFDs, GAs, and such. Once we start having everything organized and start really producing a lot of high quality content - I might grab the other website's crowds to chime in about Wikipedia's progress. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 05:26, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
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For those of you further afield who cannot make it person, it would be great to hear from you. We could also do with suggestions for other pages to be worked on which are in some way connected with The Tramp. Fabian Tompsett (WMUK) ( talk) 15:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
I've been content to do the Thanhouser works, but I have most of the documents and many books related to the Universal Silents - including Braff's Universal silents, which is of great and immense help in simply figuring out "what was made". I wonder if anyone is able to drum up some complete release schedules to get a better overview of what needs to be done. Mind you, the release schedules for some have been completely messed up in publication and I spent many hours trying to dig up information on a minor company that seems never to actually have released any films in the end. This won't be an issue with the Licensed studios - so it would be best to start there. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 05:52, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
On the article Bride 13 another editor has added a copy & paste plot from an external source. I reverted it, per WP:COPYVIO, but they state as it's from 1920, it can be posted. Any guidance on this would be helpful. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:19, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
I have completed all the articles and information on Thanhouser's 1910 productions. Most were not even given articles, but I have found and corrected a lot of misinformation that exists. I think I am going to start working on the main page while I proceed into 1911's works. I hope to have a good topic established in the end. Here's to the long journey ahead. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 16:41, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Or The Black Bird? Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:01, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Just found out that the Silent Era website is no longer live. The homepage has this message: "Silent Era has discontinued publication. We thank you for your readership and support." All the links are dead, but can be found via the web archive. Rats. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:59, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Quo Vadis (1912 film) should have been moved rather than copy/paste. I don't know how to solve the problem. Xx236 ( talk) 09:40, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
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Shouldn't the language(s) in which the intertitles were shown in the original release(s) be listed? I'm not saying any infobox annotation that a film is silent should be removed, as it's often the only such indication, as in Quo Vadis (1913 film), but that the language listing in the infobox should (also?) reflect that of the intertitles. 71.204.166.188 ( talk) 14:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
I am posting this as of interest to this task force. There may be some cite-able information it it.
Peaceray ( talk) 21:55, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Added this to the talk page of the movie. Basically the Wikipedia article said it wasn't lost, but the citation to the Silentera.com that said so didn't have concrete evidence of this. Other sites said the film was lost. Nitrateville.com has a few posts about the movie having been lost due to film degradation. I also found a few other conflicting sources on this film, and wasn't able to locate a copy online. 30ish people claimed to have watched it on Letterboxd, and so I sent out a few emails, I've added the responses below. The first reel of the film exists in the Library of Congress. The Eastman museum was able to preserve the film in the 1990s (all news of this has since faded from the internet due to it being in the 1990s). I'm not sure how to cite these emails but I think they offer better proof of the film not being lost, and will put this debate to rest. Additionally, I'm inquiring about obtaining a digital copy, or having one made, and if so I'll post the film into the commons as well.
Emails: LoC https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1025136932172337192/1103057085031256074/image.png?width=1408&height=379 Eastman Museum: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1025136932172337192/1103057145550876772/Screenshot_20230502-145236_Gmail.png 108.249.173.121 ( talk) 21:38, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
Film: Silent Project‑class | ||||||||||
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In tagging silent film stub articles, I have noticed that a lot of the silent films from the 1920s require 2 stub tags. For those that fall into more that one genre, this is fine, but for those that are simply either comedies or dramas, it seems redundant to add both {{ 1920s-drama-film-stub}} and {{ silent-drama-film-stub}} to the same article. I propose creating two new tags: {{ 1920s-silent-comedy-film-stub}} and {{ 1920s-silent-drama-film-stub}}, along with the corresponding categories. This would still include the article in the categories of either Category:1920s comedy film stubs/ Category:Silent comedy film stubs or Category:1920s drama film stubs/ Category:Silent drama film stubs, but would eliminate the need for 2 comedy tags or 2 drama tags on the same article. Thoughts? Fortdj33 ( talk) 14:54, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
I've been hard at work assembling reference material to expand a bunch of silent film articles, especially Balboa and early Fox stuff. One of my first efforts has given me a ... challenge. To wit, how to credit the director for the 1914 St. Elmo. Contemporary Billboard credits Bertram Bracken, as does the 1914 Who's Who in the Film World. Solomon's 2011 monograph on Fox films seems to give the nod to Bracken as director, but doesn't really spend much time discussing this film (Solomon's safely canonical on most Fox material, but this isn't a Fox film). However, St. Elmo has long appeared in other sources as J. Gordon Edwards's directorial debut. That's Alan Goble's opinion, and the position of both the AFI and the Library of Congress's American Silent Feature Film Database.
So far, I've simply presented both possibilities. But, the more I reflect on this, should we consider the AFI and Library of Congress to be canonical (making note of the period sources that cite Bracken)? Or is doing so original research? Also, how do we list this credit in Edwards's filmography (currently I've gone with "maybe", but that's not exactly ideal)? Squeamish Ossifrage ( talk) 18:52, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
A quick catscan shows that there are about 286 articles included in both Category:1910s comedy film stubs and Category:Short silent comedy film stubs, plus 220 articles that are included in both Category:1910s drama film stubs and Category:Short silent drama film stubs! Again, I feel that it is redundant to include the same article in both categories. Since the "1910s" categories are overpopulated, are there any objections to me removing the {{ 1910s-comedy-film-stub}} and {{ 1910s-drama-film-stub}} tags from those articles? Fortdj33 ( talk) 22:05, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Please forgive me for side-tracking : is there a category for films with no images ? I would very much appreciate for example the challenge of voiding a category such as 1915 films with no illustration. Cheers, — Racconish 📥 10:37, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Just a question - how do we have nearly 7,100 stubs yet have less than a sixth of the total films released? From a purely tracking standpoint this seems a bit amazing, and I think we need to set up Article Alerts to better give notice to AFDs, GAs, and such. Once we start having everything organized and start really producing a lot of high quality content - I might grab the other website's crowds to chime in about Wikipedia's progress. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 05:26, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Editathon Invitation Celebrating
Charlie Chaplin's film
The Tramp at
London's Cinema Museum, Kennington This is a free event, one of a series of editathons which Wikimedia UK organises in conjunction with a variety of host organisations.. When? Saturday, 7 March 2014, 11am-4pm Where? 2 Dugard Way (off Renfrew Road) London SE11 4TH. Point of contact: Fabian Tompsett (fabian.tompsettwikimedia.org.uk) for Wikimedia UK. Further details and Registration: Education Program:Wikimedia UK/Cinema Museum 2015 (Spring 2015) |
For those of you further afield who cannot make it person, it would be great to hear from you. We could also do with suggestions for other pages to be worked on which are in some way connected with The Tramp. Fabian Tompsett (WMUK) ( talk) 15:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
I've been content to do the Thanhouser works, but I have most of the documents and many books related to the Universal Silents - including Braff's Universal silents, which is of great and immense help in simply figuring out "what was made". I wonder if anyone is able to drum up some complete release schedules to get a better overview of what needs to be done. Mind you, the release schedules for some have been completely messed up in publication and I spent many hours trying to dig up information on a minor company that seems never to actually have released any films in the end. This won't be an issue with the Licensed studios - so it would be best to start there. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 05:52, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
On the article Bride 13 another editor has added a copy & paste plot from an external source. I reverted it, per WP:COPYVIO, but they state as it's from 1920, it can be posted. Any guidance on this would be helpful. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:19, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
I have completed all the articles and information on Thanhouser's 1910 productions. Most were not even given articles, but I have found and corrected a lot of misinformation that exists. I think I am going to start working on the main page while I proceed into 1911's works. I hope to have a good topic established in the end. Here's to the long journey ahead. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 16:41, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Or The Black Bird? Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:01, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Just found out that the Silent Era website is no longer live. The homepage has this message: "Silent Era has discontinued publication. We thank you for your readership and support." All the links are dead, but can be found via the web archive. Rats. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:59, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Quo Vadis (1912 film) should have been moved rather than copy/paste. I don't know how to solve the problem. Xx236 ( talk) 09:40, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
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So, please consider taking a look at and watchlisting this page:
You could be very helpful in evaluating potential candidates, and even finding out if you would be a suitable RfA candidate.
Many thanks and best wishes,
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Shouldn't the language(s) in which the intertitles were shown in the original release(s) be listed? I'm not saying any infobox annotation that a film is silent should be removed, as it's often the only such indication, as in Quo Vadis (1913 film), but that the language listing in the infobox should (also?) reflect that of the intertitles. 71.204.166.188 ( talk) 14:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
I am posting this as of interest to this task force. There may be some cite-able information it it.
Peaceray ( talk) 21:55, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Added this to the talk page of the movie. Basically the Wikipedia article said it wasn't lost, but the citation to the Silentera.com that said so didn't have concrete evidence of this. Other sites said the film was lost. Nitrateville.com has a few posts about the movie having been lost due to film degradation. I also found a few other conflicting sources on this film, and wasn't able to locate a copy online. 30ish people claimed to have watched it on Letterboxd, and so I sent out a few emails, I've added the responses below. The first reel of the film exists in the Library of Congress. The Eastman museum was able to preserve the film in the 1990s (all news of this has since faded from the internet due to it being in the 1990s). I'm not sure how to cite these emails but I think they offer better proof of the film not being lost, and will put this debate to rest. Additionally, I'm inquiring about obtaining a digital copy, or having one made, and if so I'll post the film into the commons as well.
Emails: LoC https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1025136932172337192/1103057085031256074/image.png?width=1408&height=379 Eastman Museum: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1025136932172337192/1103057145550876772/Screenshot_20230502-145236_Gmail.png 108.249.173.121 ( talk) 21:38, 2 May 2023 (UTC)