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There don't seem to be any. If the general guidelines are used, then even the most obscure low-budget film has probably been the subject of some trade paper story: is this "non-trivial"? Should Wikipedia be working towards an imdb-like database of all film? Or should there be a requirement of mention in non-trade publications? Dybryd 22:46, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
We currently have a backlog of many articles that do not have film infoboxes. I am requesting that all members consider fulfilling a request here or visiting Category:Articles that need a film infobox if you want to take your pick. If you are willing, try and make a goal of fulfilling one request a day or week (each one takes less then 15 minutes to complete). This will help to further improve the quality of articles within our project. Thanks to all who already do include infoboxes and help to fulfill requests. Keep up the good work. -- Nehrams2020 08:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone make a nifty meter to show just how were doing? Also are all films without infoboxes listed?-- Supernumerary 04:56, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi; I thought some people here might be interested in a proposed WikiProject focusing on film scores. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Film_Music SUBWAYguy 18:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
External links to reviews by this gentleman have been added recently, to many articles. Example is here, for Click. Seem to be quite a few of these reviews added, and I'm wondering how notable the reviewer is, as the guidelines at WP:EL seem keen to keep the number of external links down. Appreciate any thoughts. -- Oscarthecat 22:17, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
63.95.36.13 ( contribs) is persisting on adding these reviews. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 22:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I was hoping to find a wikiproject to adopt the Category:Film advertising material category and related articles for a major overhaul, cleanup, reorganization, etc. For example, the movie poster category is (in my opinion) in need of a lot of work -- it seems like this category should be renamed/reorganized and it should be brought in line and categorized under film, filmmaking, etc.. The problem is that "Film Advertising" straddles two categories: Advertising and Film. I mentioned this on another wikiproject, but haven't heard any feedback -- I was curious if anyone thought it would be appropriate for all film marketing related articles could receive attention from this project? Any opinions, help, suggestions on this? - jca2112 15:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
IMO Template:Reqscreenshot should either be edited to say "movie posters or screenshots", or we should be using a new template requesting primarily movie posters, as per guidelines. Hoverfish Talk 15:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, the template exists now, but the category it sends to doesn't exist (see bottom of this page). Also I think we must submit it in Wikipedia:Template messages/Talk namespace. Hoverfish Talk 18:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC) {{ Reqphoto}}
Thanks PhantomS. I saw you had sorted some films starting with an article, but couldn't figure it out till I noticed that you developed it. You are into programming, I see, so no wonder. Hoverfish Talk 00:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Since the article Cult film is part of your project, I wanted to bring up that while the article is generally well written and worth keeping, it is generally unreferenced and has potential POV problems. In particular, the article has a large list of "cult films" at the end with no in-line references indicating that any of these films are considered to have cult status by the film industry at large. In fact, it seems quite possible that people are simply inserting films that they personally consider to be worthy of having cult status with no actual external published reference at all. And when you read the discussion pages, there are disagreements about some of the entries.
I tagged the film list section as unreferenced in December, but to date no references have been added, the list of films continues to grow and I've twice had someone remove the unreferenced tag without comment and without adding any additional citations.
At this point I'm at an impasse. I don't want to nominate the article for deletion, because the rest of the article is worth keeping. I don't want to entirely delete the section because it would simply lead to a revert war. But neither do I want to babysit the unreferenced tag while the situation remains unchanged.
So I'm turning to you guys and asking for you to decide which way to handle this section of the article. Would you like to keep the section and add references verifying that the films listed are indeed commonly referred to as "cult films" in the industry, or would you prefer to delete the section altogether as something that is unlikely to have such references and is also a subjective and debatable topic. Thoughts? Dugwiki 16:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I was just looking at this article in trying to determine whether Tears of the Black Tiger qualifies for cult film status (I think it does), and noticed the lack of referencing. Many things make this difficult, though not impossible. What determines a cult film? Is it solely audience-based, or can it be based on the elements of the film - things that are so outlandish, or cheesy, or violent, or horrible - that it can only appeal to select audience, or cult, if you will. Finding sources that say definitively "this is a cult film," can be tricky, because many of the sources devoted to any said cult film probably wouldn't be considered reliable (i.e. fansites, forums, etc.). But there are books that describe the cult phenomenon, what makes a cult film and give examples of cult films. If I had access to a public library system, I'd be there tomorrow, making requests. — Wise Kwai 18:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to quickly follow up that it's now been two months and the article's references still have not improved. Meanwhile, a number of cult films and actors and directors have been added to the various lists with reference or verification. I am seriously considering simply putting the article up for deletion at afd as a primarilly unreferenced piece of original research if the situation isn't addressed soon. Then someone can recreate an article on the topic at a later date that actually has some inline published references for most of the info. I'll hold off on that, though, as I still think there is potential to fix the problem. Dugwiki 17:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I would be willing to take on this entry and provide some references. I have several books on cult films including Peary's books and the excellent Midnight Movies by J. Hoberman and Jonathan Rosenbaum and whip this entry into better shape. J.D. 22:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
As a result of the discussion in section #Extended plot sub articles, user PhantomS has created the possibility of having collapsible sections, which by default are hidden and when [show] is clicked, they display. The code in the text changes by very little and a simple template ( Template:LongSynopsis) has been set up, using CSS properties which enables this possibility. A demonstration is available here. Please discuss to help determine if this is indeed an acceptable breakthrough. It is meant only for where both a short and a long synopsis are available. Hoverfish Talk 20:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Could the Project please put a link on the project page to what they feel exemplifies a model for other film pages to follow? User: FernandoK keeps reverting fully sourced edits at Cross of Iron for his own original research synopsis. Funny, especially, since English is apparently his second language. I would have thought sourced edits and quotes from bona fide sources would be more in keeping with the spirit of an encyclopedia. The Talk page discussion seems to indicate so. But, there is really no established standard to compare to. Perhaps a example cited on the project page here would be an excellent reference to see which approach is more in keeping with WP, and the Project's, community standards. 68.146.198.203 23:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Are there some guidelines about how much film criticism should go in a good article, and of what standard? Specifically, what's the deal with the "citation needed" tag? In La Grande Illusion this tag seems to be dropped in gratuitously, e.g. following the observation that two characters speak English for privacy from German troops who don't understand. This is simply obvious in the movie and the contributor has mentioned it to back up a claim about the theme of class and education — what sort of external reference could possibly be useful? BAPhilp 13:18, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
The Sacrifice (dir. Andrei Tarkovsky, winner of the 1988 BAFTA for Best Foreign Language Film) is in need of some cleaning/copyediting. Could someone with better writing skills than mine take a look, please? Even some proper tags might pave the way. Hoverfish Talk 15:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
A few months ago there was a discussion here at the film project about the Criterion Collection succession boxes where a consensus was reached that they should be removed. User:Belovedfreak has begun adding them to the films. I am bringing this to your attention to try and prevent to much extra work on both putting them in and taking them back out, however, as I am not a member of the project I realize that the consensus on these may have changed. If so, please let me know and I won't worry about it, if not, then lets let this editor know so we can begin removing them. Thanks for your time in this matter. MarnetteD | Talk 18:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Just a notice thaat they have returned again. this time they are being entered by User:Ted-m and the editor has entered then on about 20-30 films already. MarnetteD | Talk 00:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Just got a message about them. Did not know they were voted against. I saw them on a few films and decided to add them on the first 50 I nominate them to be restored-- Ted-m 01:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I previously removed these from many articles. I was unaware of the discussion, but I do not think these have any business being added to the articles about films. They are essentially a random collection of films, and their order of realease is also meaningless. If people want this information they can go to the Criterion website. -- Samuel Wantman 02:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the above comments that there's no good reason for them here. I found it interesting, though, that an FYE store created a Criterion section and I'm not quite sure why. Шизомби 14:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Agreed, as before. This was also on WP:AN, and the consensus there was the same; no boxes. The articles are about films, not DVD releases. The Criterion DVD release is a trivia bit and does not need a navigation box. List of Criterion Collection releases is enough. Prolog 20:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Not so easy to find without special tools, so here they are alphabetically:
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hoverfish ( talk • contribs) 23:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC).
The article Hollywood North is experiencing some NPOV issues with some new comers to Wikipedia. If you're interested, check the page out and perhaps contribute your input. Langara College 02:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I would like to get some help in talkin with user User_talk:68.146.198.203 (I believe that he goes for the names of User:Michael Dorosh, User:Calgary Tanks and other aliases as well) in convincing him to stop reverting the article about the Cross of Iron film to his version, which is basically a collage of excerpts from reviews made by published movie guides. It has already been discussed above (see Sample of a Good Article) whether his version or "mine" is the better, but he got only one answer against his version. We would need more opinions about this. He is also very stubborn regarding certain aspects - he insisted for a long time that Movie Articles should contain one screenshot only, even if Featured Article movies such as Casablanca have more than one, and tries to enforce WP:TRIVIA as if it was an official WP policy (it is described as an essay). Can someone help me to bring this guy back to the negociation table? Fernando K 13:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
The issue of film notability has been posted in Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Film Notability, and Notability in general. Hoverfish Talk 17:03, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see my comment in the Discussion for this particular article, it appears an editor has introduced a fictitious person into the credits as a producer, dedicating an entire section to her with no references, and there is no record anywhere for this person on IMDB. MDonfield 20:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, a CfD discussion is currently under way at [1]. People are discussing whether to delete all categories pretaining to Oscar nominees. I've cast my vote and thought that others in WikiFilms would like to weigh in. Shawn in Montreal 19:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
For anyone interested on the issue, I have brought up the proposal of the collapsible long synopsis (see above) in Village pump (proposals). Hoverfish Talk 21:31, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Cbrown1023 00:24, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Too much trivia and too many culture references as well. I would guess at least half (or more) of the article is trivia and culture references. Anyone care to clean it up a bit? Both sections should be condensed a bit. Not all the things listed are that notable. RobJ1981 01:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I would like to request all members of WikiProject Films to lend their voice about my recent proposition for the Film Notability guidelines (one of the most important sections of this wikiproject). It is opposed by some (primarily zadignose), but I feel that it is the best solution for several reasons:
Esn 22:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I've recently made significant edits to the guideline, and would like to solicit further discussion in the relevant talk page. I seem to have become the recent outspoken proponent of tougher guidelines, but I would like to seek reasonble compromise, and find some workable solutions. I think that my recent efforts at least demonstrate a sincere interest in drafting a sensible guideline that isn't "all inclusive," but might help improve the quality of our coverage of notable films. Thank you. zadignose 16:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
As per my discussion above, I'd like to suggest the proposal for a translation department. The function of the department would be to improve existing film articles or create new ones in the English Wikipedia through the use of information which is not in English. The main starting point for this should be the equivalent articles on other languages' Wikipedias which contain more comprehensive information than the English article does. This also has the advantage of automatically resolving any problems with copyright paranoia. Non-Wikipedia sources in foreign languages will still be essential, especially for referencing. While a basic amount of this work can be done by English-only speakers through the use of automatic translation tools, fluent readers are even more valuable (and likely more efficient in the long haul) in this task.
Another main task of the department would be to identify articles which have a high number of interwiki links but no English one. (A general example of this can be found in WP:MEA under the Other Wikipedias section.) Would also be nice to target any film-related articles which are deemed FA-quality on another language's encyclopedia. Furthermore, requests can be made by users who would like sources translated in the course of their research on articles.
Thoughts? Girolamo Savonarola 01:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there already a consensus about spoiler tags. I'm new to the project, but I feel that spoiler tags aren't necessary on sections labeled "Plot" or "Story", and was wondering if this had been previously discussed DurinsBane87 10:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I want to gauge support for a change that would help combat the overly long plot problems that have been cropping up lately. I propose changing the text in the editing guidelines of the film template. The second point would be changed from "When writing an article about a particular film, the general format should be a concise lead section, followed by a plot overview, production details, a cast list, a reception section, and references." to "When writing an article about a particular film, the general format should be a concise lead section, followed by a plot summary of no more than 900 words, production details, a cast list, a reception section, and references."
I think this would be a simple and effective change. It will make it much harder to claim ignorance when it's on every film's talk page, and arguments would be averted. If an argument did happen, instead of referring the person elsewhere, you can just tell them to read the template. I admit this is no guarantee that they will heed the template, but it should at least give them pause. That said please add your name to either of the following using # ~~~~.
Is Template:Films the appropriate tagging for cinema awards, or should we make a more specific one? Hoverfish Talk 18:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Over at Category_talk:Articles_with_invalid_ISBN there is a discussion about how to identify DVDs. Books have ISBNs. It seems most DVDs don't. Some articles about DVDs list an invalid ISBN. The question arose as to the best way to identify these. Anyway if anyone is interested, please join the discussion. We could use more input. -- Droll 01:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
what to do about a user who keeps artifically "boosting" the importance rating on all articles that they "own". the user aggressiviely tags all his little-known and forgotten animated feature film articles as "high" importance, when at best they should be mid or low. any attempt to change the importance rating is met with aggression, abuse, personal attacks etc. the user in question is User:Ibaranoff24, not the most pleasant individual so not somebody who is amenable to friendly discussion. is there a standard procedure in these cases?
Do films like Zazel really need an infobox? Would anyone benefit from it? Hoverfish Talk 19:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
As part of the Great Infobox Project going on right now ( you can help!), it's possible that editors might come across film articles that need a different infobox than the standard {{ Infobox film}}. For example, for animated shorts there is {{ Infobox Hollywood cartoon}}, which also comes under Wikipedia:WikiProject American Animation. In the case of Devil May Hare, I had to do some digging to find the correct infobox, and in doing so I uncovered some other shorts that need infoboxes, however I've left them untagged for now while we're concentrating on film films. — Wise Kwai 03:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Can someone, please, take a look at this "clean-up": [2] ? I may be wrong but to me this looks plain "downgrading". Hoverfish Talk 19:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
From the same editor, removing links and info from infoboxes (could it be they were not right?): [3] and [4]. Please note that this editor does very good work in musicals, plays, books and biographies. Maybe he is following guidelines from other projects? Hoverfish Talk 20:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
The films in the following categories must be divided in films that were either shot or set in the locations named. Here is the page where assistence was requested: [5] From previous discussion it was voted to split these categories. I am not sure about the difference beteen shot in and set in, but since the decision was taken, we will somehow have to pull the rabbits out of the hat. Category:Wisconsin films, Category:Idaho films, Category:Montana films, Category:Chicago films and Category:Films featuring Brighton, UK. Hoverfish Talk 22:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
The article of Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End has an unusually high amount of vandalism and crystal balling, so I think it'd be good for the article to be semi-protected until further notice. Thank you. Wiki-newbie 16:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Just a note to make the members of the wikiproject films aware that editor Labelephant has added the Criterion Collection as a category. This category was removed on Jan 29th and Sept 28th of 2006 due to all of the arguments previously discussed. MarnetteD | Talk 22:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Category:Unassessed film articles has well over a 120 pages in it. It's time for us to brush up on our Assessment skills and get grading! Thanks, Cbrown1023 talk 02:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
According to the article War (film) it's supposed to be a Stanley Kubrick film. However I don't find it in his filmography or in IMDB. Allegedly it circulated in Europe under the name Roses for Stalin, which I find only as a painting. Could this be a prank or something so controversial that it's nowhere to be found? Hoverfish Talk 17:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, and since we are at it, does Did you hear the news qualify as a WP film article? It's a 10 minute student film. Hoverfish Talk 18:36, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I've added {{db-web}} to Did you hear the news and a {{subst:prod|Reason}} to War (film), as WP:HOAX says, "Note that hoaxes are not speedy deletion candidates. It is not enough for just one or two editors to investigate a hoax. There have been cases in the past where something has been thought to have been a hoax by several editors, but has turned out to be true, and merely obscure." — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 18:56, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
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There don't seem to be any. If the general guidelines are used, then even the most obscure low-budget film has probably been the subject of some trade paper story: is this "non-trivial"? Should Wikipedia be working towards an imdb-like database of all film? Or should there be a requirement of mention in non-trade publications? Dybryd 22:46, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
We currently have a backlog of many articles that do not have film infoboxes. I am requesting that all members consider fulfilling a request here or visiting Category:Articles that need a film infobox if you want to take your pick. If you are willing, try and make a goal of fulfilling one request a day or week (each one takes less then 15 minutes to complete). This will help to further improve the quality of articles within our project. Thanks to all who already do include infoboxes and help to fulfill requests. Keep up the good work. -- Nehrams2020 08:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone make a nifty meter to show just how were doing? Also are all films without infoboxes listed?-- Supernumerary 04:56, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi; I thought some people here might be interested in a proposed WikiProject focusing on film scores. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Film_Music SUBWAYguy 18:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
External links to reviews by this gentleman have been added recently, to many articles. Example is here, for Click. Seem to be quite a few of these reviews added, and I'm wondering how notable the reviewer is, as the guidelines at WP:EL seem keen to keep the number of external links down. Appreciate any thoughts. -- Oscarthecat 22:17, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
63.95.36.13 ( contribs) is persisting on adding these reviews. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 22:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I was hoping to find a wikiproject to adopt the Category:Film advertising material category and related articles for a major overhaul, cleanup, reorganization, etc. For example, the movie poster category is (in my opinion) in need of a lot of work -- it seems like this category should be renamed/reorganized and it should be brought in line and categorized under film, filmmaking, etc.. The problem is that "Film Advertising" straddles two categories: Advertising and Film. I mentioned this on another wikiproject, but haven't heard any feedback -- I was curious if anyone thought it would be appropriate for all film marketing related articles could receive attention from this project? Any opinions, help, suggestions on this? - jca2112 15:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
IMO Template:Reqscreenshot should either be edited to say "movie posters or screenshots", or we should be using a new template requesting primarily movie posters, as per guidelines. Hoverfish Talk 15:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, the template exists now, but the category it sends to doesn't exist (see bottom of this page). Also I think we must submit it in Wikipedia:Template messages/Talk namespace. Hoverfish Talk 18:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC) {{ Reqphoto}}
Thanks PhantomS. I saw you had sorted some films starting with an article, but couldn't figure it out till I noticed that you developed it. You are into programming, I see, so no wonder. Hoverfish Talk 00:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Since the article Cult film is part of your project, I wanted to bring up that while the article is generally well written and worth keeping, it is generally unreferenced and has potential POV problems. In particular, the article has a large list of "cult films" at the end with no in-line references indicating that any of these films are considered to have cult status by the film industry at large. In fact, it seems quite possible that people are simply inserting films that they personally consider to be worthy of having cult status with no actual external published reference at all. And when you read the discussion pages, there are disagreements about some of the entries.
I tagged the film list section as unreferenced in December, but to date no references have been added, the list of films continues to grow and I've twice had someone remove the unreferenced tag without comment and without adding any additional citations.
At this point I'm at an impasse. I don't want to nominate the article for deletion, because the rest of the article is worth keeping. I don't want to entirely delete the section because it would simply lead to a revert war. But neither do I want to babysit the unreferenced tag while the situation remains unchanged.
So I'm turning to you guys and asking for you to decide which way to handle this section of the article. Would you like to keep the section and add references verifying that the films listed are indeed commonly referred to as "cult films" in the industry, or would you prefer to delete the section altogether as something that is unlikely to have such references and is also a subjective and debatable topic. Thoughts? Dugwiki 16:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I was just looking at this article in trying to determine whether Tears of the Black Tiger qualifies for cult film status (I think it does), and noticed the lack of referencing. Many things make this difficult, though not impossible. What determines a cult film? Is it solely audience-based, or can it be based on the elements of the film - things that are so outlandish, or cheesy, or violent, or horrible - that it can only appeal to select audience, or cult, if you will. Finding sources that say definitively "this is a cult film," can be tricky, because many of the sources devoted to any said cult film probably wouldn't be considered reliable (i.e. fansites, forums, etc.). But there are books that describe the cult phenomenon, what makes a cult film and give examples of cult films. If I had access to a public library system, I'd be there tomorrow, making requests. — Wise Kwai 18:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to quickly follow up that it's now been two months and the article's references still have not improved. Meanwhile, a number of cult films and actors and directors have been added to the various lists with reference or verification. I am seriously considering simply putting the article up for deletion at afd as a primarilly unreferenced piece of original research if the situation isn't addressed soon. Then someone can recreate an article on the topic at a later date that actually has some inline published references for most of the info. I'll hold off on that, though, as I still think there is potential to fix the problem. Dugwiki 17:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I would be willing to take on this entry and provide some references. I have several books on cult films including Peary's books and the excellent Midnight Movies by J. Hoberman and Jonathan Rosenbaum and whip this entry into better shape. J.D. 22:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
As a result of the discussion in section #Extended plot sub articles, user PhantomS has created the possibility of having collapsible sections, which by default are hidden and when [show] is clicked, they display. The code in the text changes by very little and a simple template ( Template:LongSynopsis) has been set up, using CSS properties which enables this possibility. A demonstration is available here. Please discuss to help determine if this is indeed an acceptable breakthrough. It is meant only for where both a short and a long synopsis are available. Hoverfish Talk 20:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Could the Project please put a link on the project page to what they feel exemplifies a model for other film pages to follow? User: FernandoK keeps reverting fully sourced edits at Cross of Iron for his own original research synopsis. Funny, especially, since English is apparently his second language. I would have thought sourced edits and quotes from bona fide sources would be more in keeping with the spirit of an encyclopedia. The Talk page discussion seems to indicate so. But, there is really no established standard to compare to. Perhaps a example cited on the project page here would be an excellent reference to see which approach is more in keeping with WP, and the Project's, community standards. 68.146.198.203 23:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Are there some guidelines about how much film criticism should go in a good article, and of what standard? Specifically, what's the deal with the "citation needed" tag? In La Grande Illusion this tag seems to be dropped in gratuitously, e.g. following the observation that two characters speak English for privacy from German troops who don't understand. This is simply obvious in the movie and the contributor has mentioned it to back up a claim about the theme of class and education — what sort of external reference could possibly be useful? BAPhilp 13:18, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
The Sacrifice (dir. Andrei Tarkovsky, winner of the 1988 BAFTA for Best Foreign Language Film) is in need of some cleaning/copyediting. Could someone with better writing skills than mine take a look, please? Even some proper tags might pave the way. Hoverfish Talk 15:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
A few months ago there was a discussion here at the film project about the Criterion Collection succession boxes where a consensus was reached that they should be removed. User:Belovedfreak has begun adding them to the films. I am bringing this to your attention to try and prevent to much extra work on both putting them in and taking them back out, however, as I am not a member of the project I realize that the consensus on these may have changed. If so, please let me know and I won't worry about it, if not, then lets let this editor know so we can begin removing them. Thanks for your time in this matter. MarnetteD | Talk 18:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Just a notice thaat they have returned again. this time they are being entered by User:Ted-m and the editor has entered then on about 20-30 films already. MarnetteD | Talk 00:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Just got a message about them. Did not know they were voted against. I saw them on a few films and decided to add them on the first 50 I nominate them to be restored-- Ted-m 01:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I previously removed these from many articles. I was unaware of the discussion, but I do not think these have any business being added to the articles about films. They are essentially a random collection of films, and their order of realease is also meaningless. If people want this information they can go to the Criterion website. -- Samuel Wantman 02:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the above comments that there's no good reason for them here. I found it interesting, though, that an FYE store created a Criterion section and I'm not quite sure why. Шизомби 14:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Agreed, as before. This was also on WP:AN, and the consensus there was the same; no boxes. The articles are about films, not DVD releases. The Criterion DVD release is a trivia bit and does not need a navigation box. List of Criterion Collection releases is enough. Prolog 20:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Not so easy to find without special tools, so here they are alphabetically:
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hoverfish ( talk • contribs) 23:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC).
The article Hollywood North is experiencing some NPOV issues with some new comers to Wikipedia. If you're interested, check the page out and perhaps contribute your input. Langara College 02:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I would like to get some help in talkin with user User_talk:68.146.198.203 (I believe that he goes for the names of User:Michael Dorosh, User:Calgary Tanks and other aliases as well) in convincing him to stop reverting the article about the Cross of Iron film to his version, which is basically a collage of excerpts from reviews made by published movie guides. It has already been discussed above (see Sample of a Good Article) whether his version or "mine" is the better, but he got only one answer against his version. We would need more opinions about this. He is also very stubborn regarding certain aspects - he insisted for a long time that Movie Articles should contain one screenshot only, even if Featured Article movies such as Casablanca have more than one, and tries to enforce WP:TRIVIA as if it was an official WP policy (it is described as an essay). Can someone help me to bring this guy back to the negociation table? Fernando K 13:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
The issue of film notability has been posted in Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Film Notability, and Notability in general. Hoverfish Talk 17:03, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see my comment in the Discussion for this particular article, it appears an editor has introduced a fictitious person into the credits as a producer, dedicating an entire section to her with no references, and there is no record anywhere for this person on IMDB. MDonfield 20:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, a CfD discussion is currently under way at [1]. People are discussing whether to delete all categories pretaining to Oscar nominees. I've cast my vote and thought that others in WikiFilms would like to weigh in. Shawn in Montreal 19:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
For anyone interested on the issue, I have brought up the proposal of the collapsible long synopsis (see above) in Village pump (proposals). Hoverfish Talk 21:31, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Cbrown1023 00:24, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Too much trivia and too many culture references as well. I would guess at least half (or more) of the article is trivia and culture references. Anyone care to clean it up a bit? Both sections should be condensed a bit. Not all the things listed are that notable. RobJ1981 01:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I would like to request all members of WikiProject Films to lend their voice about my recent proposition for the Film Notability guidelines (one of the most important sections of this wikiproject). It is opposed by some (primarily zadignose), but I feel that it is the best solution for several reasons:
Esn 22:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I've recently made significant edits to the guideline, and would like to solicit further discussion in the relevant talk page. I seem to have become the recent outspoken proponent of tougher guidelines, but I would like to seek reasonble compromise, and find some workable solutions. I think that my recent efforts at least demonstrate a sincere interest in drafting a sensible guideline that isn't "all inclusive," but might help improve the quality of our coverage of notable films. Thank you. zadignose 16:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
As per my discussion above, I'd like to suggest the proposal for a translation department. The function of the department would be to improve existing film articles or create new ones in the English Wikipedia through the use of information which is not in English. The main starting point for this should be the equivalent articles on other languages' Wikipedias which contain more comprehensive information than the English article does. This also has the advantage of automatically resolving any problems with copyright paranoia. Non-Wikipedia sources in foreign languages will still be essential, especially for referencing. While a basic amount of this work can be done by English-only speakers through the use of automatic translation tools, fluent readers are even more valuable (and likely more efficient in the long haul) in this task.
Another main task of the department would be to identify articles which have a high number of interwiki links but no English one. (A general example of this can be found in WP:MEA under the Other Wikipedias section.) Would also be nice to target any film-related articles which are deemed FA-quality on another language's encyclopedia. Furthermore, requests can be made by users who would like sources translated in the course of their research on articles.
Thoughts? Girolamo Savonarola 01:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there already a consensus about spoiler tags. I'm new to the project, but I feel that spoiler tags aren't necessary on sections labeled "Plot" or "Story", and was wondering if this had been previously discussed DurinsBane87 10:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I want to gauge support for a change that would help combat the overly long plot problems that have been cropping up lately. I propose changing the text in the editing guidelines of the film template. The second point would be changed from "When writing an article about a particular film, the general format should be a concise lead section, followed by a plot overview, production details, a cast list, a reception section, and references." to "When writing an article about a particular film, the general format should be a concise lead section, followed by a plot summary of no more than 900 words, production details, a cast list, a reception section, and references."
I think this would be a simple and effective change. It will make it much harder to claim ignorance when it's on every film's talk page, and arguments would be averted. If an argument did happen, instead of referring the person elsewhere, you can just tell them to read the template. I admit this is no guarantee that they will heed the template, but it should at least give them pause. That said please add your name to either of the following using # ~~~~.
Is Template:Films the appropriate tagging for cinema awards, or should we make a more specific one? Hoverfish Talk 18:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Over at Category_talk:Articles_with_invalid_ISBN there is a discussion about how to identify DVDs. Books have ISBNs. It seems most DVDs don't. Some articles about DVDs list an invalid ISBN. The question arose as to the best way to identify these. Anyway if anyone is interested, please join the discussion. We could use more input. -- Droll 01:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
what to do about a user who keeps artifically "boosting" the importance rating on all articles that they "own". the user aggressiviely tags all his little-known and forgotten animated feature film articles as "high" importance, when at best they should be mid or low. any attempt to change the importance rating is met with aggression, abuse, personal attacks etc. the user in question is User:Ibaranoff24, not the most pleasant individual so not somebody who is amenable to friendly discussion. is there a standard procedure in these cases?
Do films like Zazel really need an infobox? Would anyone benefit from it? Hoverfish Talk 19:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
As part of the Great Infobox Project going on right now ( you can help!), it's possible that editors might come across film articles that need a different infobox than the standard {{ Infobox film}}. For example, for animated shorts there is {{ Infobox Hollywood cartoon}}, which also comes under Wikipedia:WikiProject American Animation. In the case of Devil May Hare, I had to do some digging to find the correct infobox, and in doing so I uncovered some other shorts that need infoboxes, however I've left them untagged for now while we're concentrating on film films. — Wise Kwai 03:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Can someone, please, take a look at this "clean-up": [2] ? I may be wrong but to me this looks plain "downgrading". Hoverfish Talk 19:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
From the same editor, removing links and info from infoboxes (could it be they were not right?): [3] and [4]. Please note that this editor does very good work in musicals, plays, books and biographies. Maybe he is following guidelines from other projects? Hoverfish Talk 20:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
The films in the following categories must be divided in films that were either shot or set in the locations named. Here is the page where assistence was requested: [5] From previous discussion it was voted to split these categories. I am not sure about the difference beteen shot in and set in, but since the decision was taken, we will somehow have to pull the rabbits out of the hat. Category:Wisconsin films, Category:Idaho films, Category:Montana films, Category:Chicago films and Category:Films featuring Brighton, UK. Hoverfish Talk 22:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
The article of Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End has an unusually high amount of vandalism and crystal balling, so I think it'd be good for the article to be semi-protected until further notice. Thank you. Wiki-newbie 16:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Just a note to make the members of the wikiproject films aware that editor Labelephant has added the Criterion Collection as a category. This category was removed on Jan 29th and Sept 28th of 2006 due to all of the arguments previously discussed. MarnetteD | Talk 22:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Category:Unassessed film articles has well over a 120 pages in it. It's time for us to brush up on our Assessment skills and get grading! Thanks, Cbrown1023 talk 02:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
According to the article War (film) it's supposed to be a Stanley Kubrick film. However I don't find it in his filmography or in IMDB. Allegedly it circulated in Europe under the name Roses for Stalin, which I find only as a painting. Could this be a prank or something so controversial that it's nowhere to be found? Hoverfish Talk 17:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, and since we are at it, does Did you hear the news qualify as a WP film article? It's a 10 minute student film. Hoverfish Talk 18:36, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I've added {{db-web}} to Did you hear the news and a {{subst:prod|Reason}} to War (film), as WP:HOAX says, "Note that hoaxes are not speedy deletion candidates. It is not enough for just one or two editors to investigate a hoax. There have been cases in the past where something has been thought to have been a hoax by several editors, but has turned out to be true, and merely obscure." — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 18:56, 30 January 2007 (UTC)