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Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.
We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations.
A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible.
We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 23:09, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
1. Articles that give context (Poverty for Poverty in Pakistan) 2. GA+ articles of mid importance or higher 3. B-Class articles of high importance or higher 4. Start-Class articles, only if they are part of a set or are essential. 5. Articles needed for completeness 6. Country subdivisions of major countries (for example, Australian states)
So, after noting and engaging in some conversation at the WikiProject Comics talk page, I have come to the conclusion that we should try to work on and improve the D&D articles chosen by the editorial team to make them the highest quality they can be. Right now, that short list consists of Dungeons & Dragons, Gary Gygax, Dragonlance, Drow. (If you are interested in more RPGs than just D&D, feel free to link up at the WikiProject Role-playing games talk page and coordinate from there).
The comics project has quite a few articles selected to be in the DVD release, so it seems the best thing to do there is to work on the ones which have already been selected. However, for D&D, since so few of our articles rated highly enough, I think we can afford to look at what else we can work on to make them worthy of inclusion. You can view this stats page to see what was close but did not make the cut. It seems the "overall score" rating comes not only from the quality class and importance we assign to the article, but also from the number of internal page links within Wikipedia and interwiki links, as well as how many hits the article has gotten. So if something was assessed highly but those other qualifiers don't add much, then the overall score will be lower than you'd think, and likewise if an article is rated lower (or not at all, in the case of Forgotten Realms for example) but those other stats are high, this will push it up. As I had noted on the comics talk page, this list seems to be at least a month out of date, as many assessments have changed and are not reflected there.
So, it seems to me that one thing we can do is take a better look at how our articles have been assessed, and see what needs fixing there. Also, we can work on fixing up articles we'd like to nominate for the release. In addition to those I mentioned above (a bit more of a subjective list, I'll admit), I think we could safely add other runners up such as Planescape, Faerûn, Dungeon Master, Eberron, and Underdark, for example. For the sake of arguments about notability, we should stick with articles which already clearly have their subject's notability established, or are nearly established as notable or could reasonably be expected to do so if given time and effort.
We've got a little over a month to get it done, so let's see what we can do. :) BOZ ( talk) 18:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Here's how I can help: if you have any D&D related articles that you want to get to GA, ping me upon nomination and I'll review them. Doesn't mean you get a free pass, means you get free attention--I haven't played D&D much since 2nd edition came out, so I really can't meaningfully contribute in any other way. I will give prompt and fair reviews, though. Jclemens ( talk) 03:09, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Just based on past experience, I think it pays to choose a subject that has plenty of independent (non-WotC) sources. I'm not sure that some of the subjects I've seen suggested above will meet that criteria. An example of a D&D subject that may have a higher proportion of independent sources is dungeon master; this gets 314 scholar ghits and plenty of google books hits as well.— RJH ( talk) 21:37, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
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Dear all I have posted a Talk:Werewolf#Merger_proposal as everywhere else these terms are synymous AFAICT (though I was just reminded that presumably Gygax et al. made lycanthrope the overarching term for werecreatures in AD&D1...). Anyway, is D&D stuff still on a separate page? Is it ok to merge with a mention of lycanthrope's different usage in D&D? Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 05:54, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
I would like to point out that neither of these two articles have anything to do with D&D. They are based on mythology, not the game. Turlo Lomon ( talk) 12:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I saw that the project has been closed and archived. Is this project absorbing the work of the former subproject? If so, the main Forgotten Realms article could use a lot of work. The huge amount of literature set in the FR was barely touched in the main article. As well, there seems to be little mention of the progression of the FR throughout the various rulesets. As the FR has one of the deepest lore of any D&D world, I think it would be an injustice to not bring out some of the changes and lore behind the changes in the article. Examples of changes between 3e and 4e. Doesn't go into great detail, I'll admit, but serves to show the changing nature of FR between rulesets. A decent source of FR lore. Torinir ( Ding my phone My support calls E-Support Options ) 01:36, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm moving ahead on trying to get some more D&D articles nominated for GA status, as mentioned in the above section, trying to get them in the 0.7 and subsequent releases. I've started first with the Gary Gygax article; if you'd like to help, we can get this one moving! BOZ ( talk) 06:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
I would like to put the Wizards of the Coast article to the test next - would now be too soon, or should I wait until we resolve the Gygax GA? It looks like it could definitely use some work, but we'll see how that goes. BOZ ( talk) 03:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I was tired of looking at the main page and seeing more room taken up by articles that have been deleted or almost deleted, with seemingly no accomplishments having taken place by this project. While showing another editor about the 0.7 release and inspiring him to get to work on it, I borrowed something he had worked on at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cue sports. Feel free to move things around, add or remove them, whatever - I just wanted to give people something nice to look at. :) BOZ ( talk) 03:03, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
If you know of any more high quality high importance D&D articles that you really think should get in, now is the time to stop procrastinating! :) Make sure you nominate them soon, because I think the deadline is tomorrow! BOZ ( talk) 18:03, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
There are several articles in Category:Unassessed role-playing game articles that have recently been added that don't really belong under the {{ RPGproject}} banner, but more properly belong under the {{ D&D}} project banner as their focus in on D&D. I've assessed many such articles, but one editor in particular insists on adding more. Typically this editor (I'll use "he" for ease of use) adds both the {{ RPGproject}} banner and the {{ D&D}} banner at the same time, when he should really only be using the {{ D&D}} banner. I have addressed this on his talk page, but he seems to be ignoring this, even to the point of adding banners back that I have removed (such as here, I've removed the RPGproject banner twice, with explanation why in the edit summary, but it's been added back again). I have asked again that he stop adding both templates to article talk pages.
If someone wishes to take it upon him/herself to assess these pages, it would be much appreciated. Frankly I don't want to continue being this editor's "personal assessor" for D&D articles, especially when I'm not an expert in D&D. (I'm probably not an expert in any particular RPG articles, but I have tried to accurately assess many articles, but please feel free to adjust my ratings.)
I also don't want to edit war over project templates, but truthfully don't agree that many of them should have the RPGproject banner on them as the D&D project is a "child" of the RPGproject and thus (I think) shouldn't typically have both of them on the talk pages. I have tried to reserve the inclusion of D&D-related pages in the general RPGproject scope to those that are most 'important' i.e. notable in some fashion in the general history/development of RPGs, etc.
This morning there were precisely two pages in the "Unassessed" category. When I last checked a minute ago there are now 32, most all of which have had both project banners added to the talk pages, a few of which I have previously removed the RPGproject banner for the reasons given above but it has been replaced.
If you disagree with my reasoning above, please also feel free to say something here about it. Cheers. --Craw-daddy | T | 20:58, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I have already been working on adding the latest news in small part to the Dungeons & Dragons Miniatures Game article as it came out, but others who have worked to create it may wish to update with any further information from the link provided in the footnotes and make sure my grammar and such is correct. shadzar- talk 00:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm thinking about joining this WikiProject, but I have a few questions:
Thanks! - Drilnoth ( talk) 21:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm fairly new around here so I don't know how to, but would it be possible for all of the D&D Infobox templates to be updated to reflect both 3rd and 4th editions? Maybe with separate sections in the same infobox?
Its just kind of weird as I'm doing these monsters not being able to update them because of the template's design. I think that having both 3E and 4E sections would work best, though.
Thanks! - Drilnoth ( talk) 23:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
A lot of the "spring-cleaning" discussions have been resolved by this time... do you think that some should be taken off of the list? I'm going to do some reorganization, but it seems like a waste of space to have so many closed and resolved discussions. - Drilnoth ( talk) 13:02, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | → | Archive 15 |
Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.
We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations.
A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible.
We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 23:09, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
1. Articles that give context (Poverty for Poverty in Pakistan) 2. GA+ articles of mid importance or higher 3. B-Class articles of high importance or higher 4. Start-Class articles, only if they are part of a set or are essential. 5. Articles needed for completeness 6. Country subdivisions of major countries (for example, Australian states)
So, after noting and engaging in some conversation at the WikiProject Comics talk page, I have come to the conclusion that we should try to work on and improve the D&D articles chosen by the editorial team to make them the highest quality they can be. Right now, that short list consists of Dungeons & Dragons, Gary Gygax, Dragonlance, Drow. (If you are interested in more RPGs than just D&D, feel free to link up at the WikiProject Role-playing games talk page and coordinate from there).
The comics project has quite a few articles selected to be in the DVD release, so it seems the best thing to do there is to work on the ones which have already been selected. However, for D&D, since so few of our articles rated highly enough, I think we can afford to look at what else we can work on to make them worthy of inclusion. You can view this stats page to see what was close but did not make the cut. It seems the "overall score" rating comes not only from the quality class and importance we assign to the article, but also from the number of internal page links within Wikipedia and interwiki links, as well as how many hits the article has gotten. So if something was assessed highly but those other qualifiers don't add much, then the overall score will be lower than you'd think, and likewise if an article is rated lower (or not at all, in the case of Forgotten Realms for example) but those other stats are high, this will push it up. As I had noted on the comics talk page, this list seems to be at least a month out of date, as many assessments have changed and are not reflected there.
So, it seems to me that one thing we can do is take a better look at how our articles have been assessed, and see what needs fixing there. Also, we can work on fixing up articles we'd like to nominate for the release. In addition to those I mentioned above (a bit more of a subjective list, I'll admit), I think we could safely add other runners up such as Planescape, Faerûn, Dungeon Master, Eberron, and Underdark, for example. For the sake of arguments about notability, we should stick with articles which already clearly have their subject's notability established, or are nearly established as notable or could reasonably be expected to do so if given time and effort.
We've got a little over a month to get it done, so let's see what we can do. :) BOZ ( talk) 18:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Here's how I can help: if you have any D&D related articles that you want to get to GA, ping me upon nomination and I'll review them. Doesn't mean you get a free pass, means you get free attention--I haven't played D&D much since 2nd edition came out, so I really can't meaningfully contribute in any other way. I will give prompt and fair reviews, though. Jclemens ( talk) 03:09, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Just based on past experience, I think it pays to choose a subject that has plenty of independent (non-WotC) sources. I'm not sure that some of the subjects I've seen suggested above will meet that criteria. An example of a D&D subject that may have a higher proportion of independent sources is dungeon master; this gets 314 scholar ghits and plenty of google books hits as well.— RJH ( talk) 21:37, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
-Moved to bottom of page-
Dear all I have posted a Talk:Werewolf#Merger_proposal as everywhere else these terms are synymous AFAICT (though I was just reminded that presumably Gygax et al. made lycanthrope the overarching term for werecreatures in AD&D1...). Anyway, is D&D stuff still on a separate page? Is it ok to merge with a mention of lycanthrope's different usage in D&D? Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 05:54, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
I would like to point out that neither of these two articles have anything to do with D&D. They are based on mythology, not the game. Turlo Lomon ( talk) 12:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I saw that the project has been closed and archived. Is this project absorbing the work of the former subproject? If so, the main Forgotten Realms article could use a lot of work. The huge amount of literature set in the FR was barely touched in the main article. As well, there seems to be little mention of the progression of the FR throughout the various rulesets. As the FR has one of the deepest lore of any D&D world, I think it would be an injustice to not bring out some of the changes and lore behind the changes in the article. Examples of changes between 3e and 4e. Doesn't go into great detail, I'll admit, but serves to show the changing nature of FR between rulesets. A decent source of FR lore. Torinir ( Ding my phone My support calls E-Support Options ) 01:36, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm moving ahead on trying to get some more D&D articles nominated for GA status, as mentioned in the above section, trying to get them in the 0.7 and subsequent releases. I've started first with the Gary Gygax article; if you'd like to help, we can get this one moving! BOZ ( talk) 06:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
I would like to put the Wizards of the Coast article to the test next - would now be too soon, or should I wait until we resolve the Gygax GA? It looks like it could definitely use some work, but we'll see how that goes. BOZ ( talk) 03:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I was tired of looking at the main page and seeing more room taken up by articles that have been deleted or almost deleted, with seemingly no accomplishments having taken place by this project. While showing another editor about the 0.7 release and inspiring him to get to work on it, I borrowed something he had worked on at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cue sports. Feel free to move things around, add or remove them, whatever - I just wanted to give people something nice to look at. :) BOZ ( talk) 03:03, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
If you know of any more high quality high importance D&D articles that you really think should get in, now is the time to stop procrastinating! :) Make sure you nominate them soon, because I think the deadline is tomorrow! BOZ ( talk) 18:03, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
There are several articles in Category:Unassessed role-playing game articles that have recently been added that don't really belong under the {{ RPGproject}} banner, but more properly belong under the {{ D&D}} project banner as their focus in on D&D. I've assessed many such articles, but one editor in particular insists on adding more. Typically this editor (I'll use "he" for ease of use) adds both the {{ RPGproject}} banner and the {{ D&D}} banner at the same time, when he should really only be using the {{ D&D}} banner. I have addressed this on his talk page, but he seems to be ignoring this, even to the point of adding banners back that I have removed (such as here, I've removed the RPGproject banner twice, with explanation why in the edit summary, but it's been added back again). I have asked again that he stop adding both templates to article talk pages.
If someone wishes to take it upon him/herself to assess these pages, it would be much appreciated. Frankly I don't want to continue being this editor's "personal assessor" for D&D articles, especially when I'm not an expert in D&D. (I'm probably not an expert in any particular RPG articles, but I have tried to accurately assess many articles, but please feel free to adjust my ratings.)
I also don't want to edit war over project templates, but truthfully don't agree that many of them should have the RPGproject banner on them as the D&D project is a "child" of the RPGproject and thus (I think) shouldn't typically have both of them on the talk pages. I have tried to reserve the inclusion of D&D-related pages in the general RPGproject scope to those that are most 'important' i.e. notable in some fashion in the general history/development of RPGs, etc.
This morning there were precisely two pages in the "Unassessed" category. When I last checked a minute ago there are now 32, most all of which have had both project banners added to the talk pages, a few of which I have previously removed the RPGproject banner for the reasons given above but it has been replaced.
If you disagree with my reasoning above, please also feel free to say something here about it. Cheers. --Craw-daddy | T | 20:58, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I have already been working on adding the latest news in small part to the Dungeons & Dragons Miniatures Game article as it came out, but others who have worked to create it may wish to update with any further information from the link provided in the footnotes and make sure my grammar and such is correct. shadzar- talk 00:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm thinking about joining this WikiProject, but I have a few questions:
Thanks! - Drilnoth ( talk) 21:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm fairly new around here so I don't know how to, but would it be possible for all of the D&D Infobox templates to be updated to reflect both 3rd and 4th editions? Maybe with separate sections in the same infobox?
Its just kind of weird as I'm doing these monsters not being able to update them because of the template's design. I think that having both 3E and 4E sections would work best, though.
Thanks! - Drilnoth ( talk) 23:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
A lot of the "spring-cleaning" discussions have been resolved by this time... do you think that some should be taken off of the list? I'm going to do some reorganization, but it seems like a waste of space to have so many closed and resolved discussions. - Drilnoth ( talk) 13:02, 30 October 2008 (UTC)