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I've noticed a major issue with the accessibility of the Lip Sync tables in every season of drag race. Per MOS:COLOR we are breaking two major tenants of keeping info accessible. 1) we are using red and green to note different things. These two colors are indistinguishable to people with red-green Color blindness. 2) exacerbating this issue is that we are breaking the first listed accessibility note when it comes to color which reads "Ensure that color is not the only method used to convey important information. Especially, do not use colored text or background unless its status is also indicated using another method..". The purpose of using color here is to show how many times the contestant has lip-synced but the only thing saying this is the color.
This is how the current Season 11 table looks:
Episode | Contestants | Song | Eliminated | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Kahanna Montrese | vs. | Soju | "
The Best of Both Worlds" ( Hannah Montana) |
Soju |
2 | Kahanna Montrese | vs. | Mercedes Iman Diamond | "
Work Bitch" ( Britney Spears) |
Kahanna Montrese |
3 | A'Keria C. Davenport vs. Honey Davenport vs. Plastique Tiara vs. Ra'Jah O'Hara vs. Scarlet Envy vs. Shuga Cain |
"
Waiting for Tonight (Hex Hector Mix)" ( Jennifer Lopez) |
Honey Davenport | ||
4 | Mercedes Iman Diamond | vs. | Ra'Jah O'Hara | "
Living in America" ( James Brown) |
Mercedes Iman Diamond |
5 | Ariel Versace | vs. | Shuga Cain | "
I'm Your Baby Tonight" ( Whitney Houston) |
Ariel Versace |
6 | Ra'Jah O'Hara | vs. | Scarlet Envy | "
Last Dance" ( Donna Summer) |
Scarlet Envy |
7 | A'Keria C. Davenport | vs. | Ra'Jah O'Hara | "
Strut" ( Sheena Easton) |
Ra'Jah O'Hara |
8 | Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Yvie Oddly | "
Sorry Not Sorry" ( Demi Lovato) |
None |
9 | Plastique Tiara | vs. | Vanessa Vanjie Mateo | "
Hood Boy" ( Fantasia Barrino) |
Plastique Tiara |
10 | Shuga Cain | vs. | Vanessa Vanjie Mateo | "
No More Drama" ( Mary J. Blige) |
Shuga Cain |
11 | Nina West | vs. | Silky Nutmeg Ganache | "
No Scrubs" ( TLC) |
Nina West |
12 | Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Vanessa Vanjie Mateo | "
Pride: A Deeper Love" ( Aretha Franklin) |
Vanessa Vanjie Mateo |
14 | Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Silky Nutmeg Ganache | "
Bootylicious" ( Destiny’s Child) |
Silky Nutmeg Ganache |
A'Keria C. Davenport | vs. | Yvie Oddly | "
SOS" ( Rihanna) |
A'Keria C. Davenport | |
Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Yvie Oddly | "
The Edge of Glory" ( Lady Gaga) |
Brooke Lynn Hytes |
I propose either completely eliminating the colors all together or changing them to more contrasting colors and including number of lip syncs under the name of the eliminated queen. both options below. I based the new colors off the "contestant progress" chart:
Colors emilminated
Episode | Contestants | Song | Eliminated | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Kahanna Montrese | vs. | Soju | "
The Best of Both Worlds" ( Hannah Montana) |
Soju |
2 | Kahanna Montrese | vs. | Mercedes Iman Diamond | "
Work Bitch" ( Britney Spears) |
Kahanna Montrese |
3 | A'Keria C. Davenport vs. Honey Davenport vs. Plastique Tiara vs. Ra'Jah O'Hara vs. Scarlet Envy vs. Shuga Cain |
"
Waiting for Tonight (Hex Hector Mix)" ( Jennifer Lopez) |
Honey Davenport | ||
4 | Mercedes Iman Diamond | vs. | Ra'Jah O'Hara | "
Living in America" ( James Brown) |
Mercedes Iman Diamond |
5 | Ariel Versace | vs. | Shuga Cain | "
I'm Your Baby Tonight" ( Whitney Houston) |
Ariel Versace |
6 | Ra'Jah O'Hara | vs. | Scarlet Envy | "
Last Dance" ( Donna Summer) |
Scarlet Envy |
7 | A'Keria C. Davenport | vs. | Ra'Jah O'Hara | "
Strut" ( Sheena Easton) |
Ra'Jah O'Hara |
8 | Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Yvie Oddly | "
Sorry Not Sorry" ( Demi Lovato) |
None |
9 | Plastique Tiara | vs. | Vanessa Vanjie Mateo | "
Hood Boy" ( Fantasia Barrino) |
Plastique Tiara |
10 | Shuga Cain | vs. | Vanessa Vanjie Mateo | "
No More Drama" ( Mary J. Blige) |
Shuga Cain |
11 | Nina West | vs. | Silky Nutmeg Ganache | "
No Scrubs" ( TLC) |
Nina West |
12 | Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Vanessa Vanjie Mateo | "
Pride: A Deeper Love" ( Aretha Franklin) |
Vanessa Vanjie Mateo |
14 | Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Silky Nutmeg Ganache | "
Bootylicious" ( Destiny’s Child) |
Silky Nutmeg Ganache |
A'Keria C. Davenport | vs. | Yvie Oddly | "
SOS" ( Rihanna) |
A'Keria C. Davenport | |
Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Yvie Oddly | "
The Edge of Glory" ( Lady Gaga) |
Brooke Lynn Hytes |
Higher Contrast Colors
Episode | Contestants | Song | Eliminated | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Kahanna Montrese | vs. | Soju | "
The Best of Both Worlds" ( Hannah Montana) |
Soju (1st lip sync) |
2 | Kahanna Montrese | vs. | Mercedes Iman Diamond | "
Work Bitch" ( Britney Spears) |
Kahanna Montrese (2nd lip sync) |
3 | A'Keria C. Davenport vs. Honey Davenport vs. Plastique Tiara vs. Ra'Jah O'Hara vs. Scarlet Envy vs. Shuga Cain |
"
Waiting for Tonight (Hex Hector Mix)" ( Jennifer Lopez) |
Honey Davenport (1st lip sync) | ||
4 | Mercedes Iman Diamond | vs. | Ra'Jah O'Hara | "
Living in America" ( James Brown) |
Mercedes Iman Diamond (2nd lip sync) |
5 | Ariel Versace | vs. | Shuga Cain | "
I'm Your Baby Tonight" ( Whitney Houston) |
Ariel Versace (1st lip sync) |
6 | Ra'Jah O'Hara | vs. | Scarlet Envy | "
Last Dance" ( Donna Summer) |
Scarlet Envy (2nd lip sync) |
7 | A'Keria C. Davenport | vs. | Ra'Jah O'Hara | "
Strut" ( Sheena Easton) |
Ra'Jah O'Hara (4th lip sync) |
8 | Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Yvie Oddly | "
Sorry Not Sorry" ( Demi Lovato) |
None |
9 | Plastique Tiara | vs. | Vanessa Vanjie Mateo | "
Hood Boy" ( Fantasia Barrino) |
Plastique Tiara (2nd lip sync) |
10 | Shuga Cain | vs. | Vanessa Vanjie Mateo | "
No More Drama" ( Mary J. Blige) |
Shuga Cain (3rd lip sync) |
11 | Nina West | vs. | Silky Nutmeg Ganache | "
No Scrubs" ( TLC) |
Nina West (1st lip sync) |
12 | Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Vanessa Vanjie Mateo | "
Pride: A Deeper Love" ( Aretha Franklin) |
Vanessa Vanjie Mateo |
14 | Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Silky Nutmeg Ganache | "
Bootylicious" ( Destiny’s Child) |
Silky Nutmeg Ganache (finale lip sync, first round) |
A'Keria C. Davenport | vs. | Yvie Oddly | "
SOS" ( Rihanna) |
A'Keria C. Davenport (finale lip sync, first round) | |
Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Yvie Oddly | "
The Edge of Glory" ( Lady Gaga) |
Brooke Lynn Hytes (finale lip sync, second round) |
I guess this all really just boils down to how important is the information of how many lipsyncs a contestant has done before they are eliminated. If we think that info is nt important we can just strip the color coding completely. If we think it is important we need to find a way to get this information across in an accessible way. --
Found5dollar (
talk) 17:57, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
This is not specifically RPDR-related, but Alaska's Drag Queen of the Year Pageant Competition Award Contest Competition (or simply Drag Queen of the Year) might be notable:
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:03, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure this belongs somehow in Snatch Game, right now I'm just trying to refresh my memory. Season 13 doesn't appear to have any queens where English is not their first language. How common is that among the seasons? Naraht ( talk) 19:56, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
I'd like to propose the following rule for new national versions and new series/seasons:
Given the amount of information which is present in the table at Drag Race (franchise), an article for a new National Version or a new series/season should only occur if there is significant verified information beyond that which belongs in the table at the franchise article (in the case of a new national version) or beyond that which would occur on the national page (in the event of a new series/season). This would normally be the list of queens which have been selected for the show but might be something such as a newsworthy replacement of a judge.
Naraht ( talk) 23:19, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Besides the "open task" listed on the main page (afaik, it's ok if the summaries are not referenced, as it is assumed the source is the WP:PRIMARY episode itself; although yes it is better if there is a summary from elsewhere: that might also help with cutting down on the excessive trivial details present everywhere); the bigger issue is that a lot of these articles (especially the season ones) are full of WP:INDISCRIMINATE tables about every marginal detail, and well that is clearly, as I hint, trivial information of no interest but to a very small audience. I've cut down the ones I've come across via pending changes/edit requests, but there's probably a whole lot of them so you might be better placed to do that; as well as potentially cutting down some more than what I did. This might also help with the regular changes by IPs which appear on the PC watchlist. Cheers, RandomCanadian ( talk / contribs) 15:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
G'day, Drag Race editors. I would like your opinion regarding naming Naomi Smalls and Monique Heart as runners-up in the series summary table. If you have any opinion regarding this, please sound off on the All-Stars talk page. Thanks! k_cms ( talk) 22:42, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
FYI, mobile game on the way: RuPaul's Drag Race: The Mobile Game
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:28, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
There's currently a discussion over at Talk:RuPaul's Drag Race UK (series 2)#Ground rules which is likely to have far reaching and wide consequences. In in the interests of fairness I'm notifying. Please consider brevity when you respond to the discussion. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 17:52, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
Please note I have now taken the discussion at RuPaul's Drag Race UK (series 2) to Dispute resolution. Spa-Franks ( talk) 01:00, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Here I've asked if we should be referring to Violet Chachki as simply "Chachki" throughout her biography, since this is not a true last name.
I see Gagged (EP) also uses "Chachki" throughout, so putting this discussion on User:Aoba47's radar as well. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:24, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
I've initiated a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies#Categorization of drag performers, which obviously overlaps with this project. I won't repeat the whole thing here, and would request that any discussion be kept in one place rather than getting split up between here and there, but even though it goes beyond just RPDR queens alone (and thus WP:LGBT was a more appropriate venue to initiate a discussion) it does obviously have enough RPDR relevance to at least notify you guys of it. Thanks. Bearcat ( talk) 15:33, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | → | Archive 10 |
I've noticed a major issue with the accessibility of the Lip Sync tables in every season of drag race. Per MOS:COLOR we are breaking two major tenants of keeping info accessible. 1) we are using red and green to note different things. These two colors are indistinguishable to people with red-green Color blindness. 2) exacerbating this issue is that we are breaking the first listed accessibility note when it comes to color which reads "Ensure that color is not the only method used to convey important information. Especially, do not use colored text or background unless its status is also indicated using another method..". The purpose of using color here is to show how many times the contestant has lip-synced but the only thing saying this is the color.
This is how the current Season 11 table looks:
Episode | Contestants | Song | Eliminated | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Kahanna Montrese | vs. | Soju | "
The Best of Both Worlds" ( Hannah Montana) |
Soju |
2 | Kahanna Montrese | vs. | Mercedes Iman Diamond | "
Work Bitch" ( Britney Spears) |
Kahanna Montrese |
3 | A'Keria C. Davenport vs. Honey Davenport vs. Plastique Tiara vs. Ra'Jah O'Hara vs. Scarlet Envy vs. Shuga Cain |
"
Waiting for Tonight (Hex Hector Mix)" ( Jennifer Lopez) |
Honey Davenport | ||
4 | Mercedes Iman Diamond | vs. | Ra'Jah O'Hara | "
Living in America" ( James Brown) |
Mercedes Iman Diamond |
5 | Ariel Versace | vs. | Shuga Cain | "
I'm Your Baby Tonight" ( Whitney Houston) |
Ariel Versace |
6 | Ra'Jah O'Hara | vs. | Scarlet Envy | "
Last Dance" ( Donna Summer) |
Scarlet Envy |
7 | A'Keria C. Davenport | vs. | Ra'Jah O'Hara | "
Strut" ( Sheena Easton) |
Ra'Jah O'Hara |
8 | Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Yvie Oddly | "
Sorry Not Sorry" ( Demi Lovato) |
None |
9 | Plastique Tiara | vs. | Vanessa Vanjie Mateo | "
Hood Boy" ( Fantasia Barrino) |
Plastique Tiara |
10 | Shuga Cain | vs. | Vanessa Vanjie Mateo | "
No More Drama" ( Mary J. Blige) |
Shuga Cain |
11 | Nina West | vs. | Silky Nutmeg Ganache | "
No Scrubs" ( TLC) |
Nina West |
12 | Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Vanessa Vanjie Mateo | "
Pride: A Deeper Love" ( Aretha Franklin) |
Vanessa Vanjie Mateo |
14 | Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Silky Nutmeg Ganache | "
Bootylicious" ( Destiny’s Child) |
Silky Nutmeg Ganache |
A'Keria C. Davenport | vs. | Yvie Oddly | "
SOS" ( Rihanna) |
A'Keria C. Davenport | |
Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Yvie Oddly | "
The Edge of Glory" ( Lady Gaga) |
Brooke Lynn Hytes |
I propose either completely eliminating the colors all together or changing them to more contrasting colors and including number of lip syncs under the name of the eliminated queen. both options below. I based the new colors off the "contestant progress" chart:
Colors emilminated
Episode | Contestants | Song | Eliminated | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Kahanna Montrese | vs. | Soju | "
The Best of Both Worlds" ( Hannah Montana) |
Soju |
2 | Kahanna Montrese | vs. | Mercedes Iman Diamond | "
Work Bitch" ( Britney Spears) |
Kahanna Montrese |
3 | A'Keria C. Davenport vs. Honey Davenport vs. Plastique Tiara vs. Ra'Jah O'Hara vs. Scarlet Envy vs. Shuga Cain |
"
Waiting for Tonight (Hex Hector Mix)" ( Jennifer Lopez) |
Honey Davenport | ||
4 | Mercedes Iman Diamond | vs. | Ra'Jah O'Hara | "
Living in America" ( James Brown) |
Mercedes Iman Diamond |
5 | Ariel Versace | vs. | Shuga Cain | "
I'm Your Baby Tonight" ( Whitney Houston) |
Ariel Versace |
6 | Ra'Jah O'Hara | vs. | Scarlet Envy | "
Last Dance" ( Donna Summer) |
Scarlet Envy |
7 | A'Keria C. Davenport | vs. | Ra'Jah O'Hara | "
Strut" ( Sheena Easton) |
Ra'Jah O'Hara |
8 | Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Yvie Oddly | "
Sorry Not Sorry" ( Demi Lovato) |
None |
9 | Plastique Tiara | vs. | Vanessa Vanjie Mateo | "
Hood Boy" ( Fantasia Barrino) |
Plastique Tiara |
10 | Shuga Cain | vs. | Vanessa Vanjie Mateo | "
No More Drama" ( Mary J. Blige) |
Shuga Cain |
11 | Nina West | vs. | Silky Nutmeg Ganache | "
No Scrubs" ( TLC) |
Nina West |
12 | Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Vanessa Vanjie Mateo | "
Pride: A Deeper Love" ( Aretha Franklin) |
Vanessa Vanjie Mateo |
14 | Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Silky Nutmeg Ganache | "
Bootylicious" ( Destiny’s Child) |
Silky Nutmeg Ganache |
A'Keria C. Davenport | vs. | Yvie Oddly | "
SOS" ( Rihanna) |
A'Keria C. Davenport | |
Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Yvie Oddly | "
The Edge of Glory" ( Lady Gaga) |
Brooke Lynn Hytes |
Higher Contrast Colors
Episode | Contestants | Song | Eliminated | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Kahanna Montrese | vs. | Soju | "
The Best of Both Worlds" ( Hannah Montana) |
Soju (1st lip sync) |
2 | Kahanna Montrese | vs. | Mercedes Iman Diamond | "
Work Bitch" ( Britney Spears) |
Kahanna Montrese (2nd lip sync) |
3 | A'Keria C. Davenport vs. Honey Davenport vs. Plastique Tiara vs. Ra'Jah O'Hara vs. Scarlet Envy vs. Shuga Cain |
"
Waiting for Tonight (Hex Hector Mix)" ( Jennifer Lopez) |
Honey Davenport (1st lip sync) | ||
4 | Mercedes Iman Diamond | vs. | Ra'Jah O'Hara | "
Living in America" ( James Brown) |
Mercedes Iman Diamond (2nd lip sync) |
5 | Ariel Versace | vs. | Shuga Cain | "
I'm Your Baby Tonight" ( Whitney Houston) |
Ariel Versace (1st lip sync) |
6 | Ra'Jah O'Hara | vs. | Scarlet Envy | "
Last Dance" ( Donna Summer) |
Scarlet Envy (2nd lip sync) |
7 | A'Keria C. Davenport | vs. | Ra'Jah O'Hara | "
Strut" ( Sheena Easton) |
Ra'Jah O'Hara (4th lip sync) |
8 | Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Yvie Oddly | "
Sorry Not Sorry" ( Demi Lovato) |
None |
9 | Plastique Tiara | vs. | Vanessa Vanjie Mateo | "
Hood Boy" ( Fantasia Barrino) |
Plastique Tiara (2nd lip sync) |
10 | Shuga Cain | vs. | Vanessa Vanjie Mateo | "
No More Drama" ( Mary J. Blige) |
Shuga Cain (3rd lip sync) |
11 | Nina West | vs. | Silky Nutmeg Ganache | "
No Scrubs" ( TLC) |
Nina West (1st lip sync) |
12 | Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Vanessa Vanjie Mateo | "
Pride: A Deeper Love" ( Aretha Franklin) |
Vanessa Vanjie Mateo |
14 | Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Silky Nutmeg Ganache | "
Bootylicious" ( Destiny’s Child) |
Silky Nutmeg Ganache (finale lip sync, first round) |
A'Keria C. Davenport | vs. | Yvie Oddly | "
SOS" ( Rihanna) |
A'Keria C. Davenport (finale lip sync, first round) | |
Brooke Lynn Hytes | vs. | Yvie Oddly | "
The Edge of Glory" ( Lady Gaga) |
Brooke Lynn Hytes (finale lip sync, second round) |
I guess this all really just boils down to how important is the information of how many lipsyncs a contestant has done before they are eliminated. If we think that info is nt important we can just strip the color coding completely. If we think it is important we need to find a way to get this information across in an accessible way. --
Found5dollar (
talk) 17:57, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
This is not specifically RPDR-related, but Alaska's Drag Queen of the Year Pageant Competition Award Contest Competition (or simply Drag Queen of the Year) might be notable:
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:03, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure this belongs somehow in Snatch Game, right now I'm just trying to refresh my memory. Season 13 doesn't appear to have any queens where English is not their first language. How common is that among the seasons? Naraht ( talk) 19:56, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
I'd like to propose the following rule for new national versions and new series/seasons:
Given the amount of information which is present in the table at Drag Race (franchise), an article for a new National Version or a new series/season should only occur if there is significant verified information beyond that which belongs in the table at the franchise article (in the case of a new national version) or beyond that which would occur on the national page (in the event of a new series/season). This would normally be the list of queens which have been selected for the show but might be something such as a newsworthy replacement of a judge.
Naraht ( talk) 23:19, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Besides the "open task" listed on the main page (afaik, it's ok if the summaries are not referenced, as it is assumed the source is the WP:PRIMARY episode itself; although yes it is better if there is a summary from elsewhere: that might also help with cutting down on the excessive trivial details present everywhere); the bigger issue is that a lot of these articles (especially the season ones) are full of WP:INDISCRIMINATE tables about every marginal detail, and well that is clearly, as I hint, trivial information of no interest but to a very small audience. I've cut down the ones I've come across via pending changes/edit requests, but there's probably a whole lot of them so you might be better placed to do that; as well as potentially cutting down some more than what I did. This might also help with the regular changes by IPs which appear on the PC watchlist. Cheers, RandomCanadian ( talk / contribs) 15:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
G'day, Drag Race editors. I would like your opinion regarding naming Naomi Smalls and Monique Heart as runners-up in the series summary table. If you have any opinion regarding this, please sound off on the All-Stars talk page. Thanks! k_cms ( talk) 22:42, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
FYI, mobile game on the way: RuPaul's Drag Race: The Mobile Game
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:28, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
There's currently a discussion over at Talk:RuPaul's Drag Race UK (series 2)#Ground rules which is likely to have far reaching and wide consequences. In in the interests of fairness I'm notifying. Please consider brevity when you respond to the discussion. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 17:52, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
Please note I have now taken the discussion at RuPaul's Drag Race UK (series 2) to Dispute resolution. Spa-Franks ( talk) 01:00, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Here I've asked if we should be referring to Violet Chachki as simply "Chachki" throughout her biography, since this is not a true last name.
I see Gagged (EP) also uses "Chachki" throughout, so putting this discussion on User:Aoba47's radar as well. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:24, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
I've initiated a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies#Categorization of drag performers, which obviously overlaps with this project. I won't repeat the whole thing here, and would request that any discussion be kept in one place rather than getting split up between here and there, but even though it goes beyond just RPDR queens alone (and thus WP:LGBT was a more appropriate venue to initiate a discussion) it does obviously have enough RPDR relevance to at least notify you guys of it. Thanks. Bearcat ( talk) 15:33, 25 March 2021 (UTC)