This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | → | Archive 10 |
See Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biography#Pronouns_for_males_performing_as_females_(aka_drag_queens) --- Another Believer ( Talk) 02:37, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
I've started a stub for Tina Burner, who has appeared on more than one television series. Improvements welcome! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
I've selected Rock M. Sakura as the Collaboration of the Month. Please help improve this article and see the ongoing discussion on the talk page regarding page title. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 01:57, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
"I'm Rock M. Sakura, and am I truly Japanese? Who knows. Is it cultural appropriation? We'll find out. Stay tuned." – Rock M. Sakura
Edits by Trinity? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 02:20, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
Tamisha Iman is coming for you! ---- Another Believer ( Talk) 01:17, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
New page for Rosé (drag queen). Improvements welcome! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:22, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
Love the crossover between UK seasons!
https://open.spotify.com/track/6b2ikWQE43jpC27oour5ud?si=y2r7jz9iSF-7nDrGTdpoog
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Please see ongoing discussions at Talk:Denali (drag queen). Project member feedback would be helpful. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:25, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
FYI: Drag Race España! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 00:45, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Is anyone else surprised that there isn't a wikipedia page for Merle Ginsberg? I'm pretty sure she is Notable... Naraht ( talk) 13:46, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Hoping some project members can make sure Gottmik looks good, especially w/r/t Gottmik vs. Gottlieb and pronouns. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 23:12, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
The Jade Jolie WP article is currently up for AfD here. Discussion and improvements welcome. — Kbabej ( talk) 04:27, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
The page Aiden Zhane has been nominated for deletion. Contributions welcome. -- Underpaid Intern ( talk) 15:56, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
The page Joslyn Fox has been nominated for deletion. Contributions welcome. -- Underpaid Intern ( talk) 16:09, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I am a not registered user and I believe that the page LaLa Ri lacks notability. The article is only about LaLa's performance on the show, with very little extra information (the only non-Drag Race info are the place she lives). As I am not registered, I am struggling to nominate the article for deletion, also because the creator of the page removed quickly the AfD template without letting anyone else consider it. Wikipedia is not Drag Race Wiki and LaLa Ri's is essentially only about her performance on the show, I believe it should be deleted (or it should redirect to RPDR Season 13). -- 78.148.25.46 ( talk) 08:17, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Discussion participation welcome. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 20:58, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
The page Nicky Doll has been nominated for deletion. Contributions welcome. -- Underpaid Intern ( talk) 16:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
The request made for a Third Opinion about this dispute has been removed (i.e. declined). The dispute here is about a conduct issue, not a content issue, and 3O's are only available for content issues. Any content issues in regard to the nomination will be worked out at the AfD. Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 20:38, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Update: The article has been kept. Underpaid Intern, all of the articles you nominated for deletion were kept. Please be sure to do more research and sourcing assessment before jumping straight to AfD. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 14:09, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
It has come to my attention that there is a disruptive editor in our midst, their username is Luvtanaxox. They are making several vandalistic and unsourced edits to Drag Race contestant progress tables, so it may be worth keeping an eye on. Billwebster91 ( talk) 03:42, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
Don't worry, it's not a vandalism issue at the moment.
I noticed that as of today (Sunday Aug 23), nobody had yet filled out the episode summary for Ep8 "Welcome to the Family", so I mostly did that just now — but the one thing I can't remember off the top of my head is the exact name they gave to the runway challenge, and I'm away from my Firestick for a few days, so I can't just log into the Crave app right now to rewatch the episode. So is there anybody around who does have immediate access to one of the streaming platforms, who can check what the name of the runway theme was and fill it in? Thanks. Bearcat ( talk) 14:02, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
New stub: Kandy Muse. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:47, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
Please help keep an eye on this article, which is currently receiving a lot of vandalism. I've already requested temporary page protection. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:48, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone have any problem with splitting The Switch Drag Race into a main page and two season pages? Naraht ( talk) 15:57, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
UK:
US:
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 00:33, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello, hello, hello! I invite project members to help with a small spring cleaning project. There are some older discussion above, including a few I'm not entirely sure are 'settled' because I don't follow the table discussions closely. If you see a discussion above which can be archived, please feel free to do so at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject RuPaul's Drag Race/Archive 4. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 23:04, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:39, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
New stub: Art Simone --- Another Believer ( Talk) 04:24, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, I did: Tongue popping. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 02:27, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
I just started a new discussion at Talk:Sasha Velour re: Sasha Velour being marked as female at Wikidata. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
We have articles for the following Rusical episodes:
Season 6 had " Shade: The Rusical" (no Wikipedia article yet). Have there been others? Other notable episodes worth creating pages for? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:29, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
I've created a stub for " PharmaRusical" --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:05, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
There is also Glamazonian Airways, Divas: Lip Synch Live, and Bitch Perfect. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 03:39, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
I think mentioning the appearances of the contestants in other seasons in the lede is a bit much. Looking at RuPaul's Drag Race (season 9) and RuPaul's Drag Race (season 10), almost half of the lede is focused on this. I think it should go into its own section at the end of the article. Thoughts? Nihlus 00:00, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
So, All Stars 5 is already starting, so I think it would be good to get a clear policy in place, so i think we should move forward with this conversation. So far, the current proposal worked by Asd17 is as follows:
Should the following table, or something very similar, be adopted to quell the ongoing edit-warring over placement (High, low) in the tables? 23:57, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Contestant | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Crystal Methyd | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | WIN | BTM2 | |
Gigi Goode | TOP2 | SAFE | WIN | SAFE | WIN | WIN | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | WIN | |
Jaida Essence Hall | WIN | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | WIN | WIN | BTM2 | SAFE | |
Sherry Pie | TOP2 | WIN | SAFE | WIN | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | |
Jackie Cox | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | BTM2 | BTM2 | SAFE | ELIM | |
Heidi N Closet | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | BTM2 | SAFE | BTM2 | WIN | SAFE | BTM2 | ELIM | ||
Widow Von'Du | WIN | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | BTM2 | ELIM | ||||
Jan | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | ELIM | |||||
Brita | SAFE | SAFE | BTM2 | SAFE | BTM2 | ELIM | ||||||
Aiden Zhane | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | ELIM | |||||||
Nicky Doll | SAFE | BTM2 | SAFE | ELIM | ||||||||
Rock M. Sakura | SAFE | SAFE | ELIM | |||||||||
Dahlia Sin | SAFE | ELIM |
I think overall it's a solid proposal, which may merit some comments and observations to make sure it works well in most or all episodes and seasons. There was a proposal to replace yellow with a lighter shade of blue, and we might want to check how it would fit All Stars both in the past rules (seasons 2, 3 and 4) and the current rules (Season 5). Any other question we might want to check? In case there is a consensus here, is there any special procedure to turn this into a style guideline? Simply put, what follows? Not A Superhero ( talk) 05:08, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
This just leads to more issues; it groups the best and the worst together rather than showing the difference. One may see the chart, and while they see the slight shading of SAFE means they were the best or the worst, it doesn't truly represent what occurred; they have no way of knowing if one did poor or one did better. I believe there have been previous attempts to remove the HIGH/LOW colors from the chart before (back when Season 7 was airing), and that idea was shot down shortly after. I realize the semantics and technicalities rule in favor of this, but it still causes more confusion and misrepresentation than actual helpfulness and accuracy. Billwebster91 ( talk) 04:10, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
So, where do we go from here? Is there any procedure to move the discussion forward? Not A Superhero ( talk) 00:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I've tried to introduce some changes to the RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars (season 5) article per the Manuel of Style on Accessibility and several editors have reverted them or just ignored the changes. Being accessible is of huge importance because legislation around the world is changing. In the UK, in September 2020, we have web accessibility compliance legislation coming into force which will impact on this. Being accessible is a really small and minor set of changes that could be made across the project to improve readability for those who have a disability or who are hard of sight. The changes are small and do not effect functionality for the majority of users.
!scope="row"
and !scope="col"
are mandatory and standard practise for achieving accessibilityI've done some examples below to show how web accessibility could be achieved, using All Stars 5 as an example.
Current practise - not web accessible
Contestants | Age | Hometown | Original season(s) | Original placement(s) | Outcome |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Alexis Mateo | 39 | Las Vegas, Nevada | Season 3 | 3rd Place | TBA |
All Stars 1 | 5th/6th Place | ||||
Blair St. Clair | 24 | Washington, D.C. | Season 10 | 9th Place | TBA |
India Ferrah | 33 | Las Vegas, Nevada | Season 3 | 6th Place | TBA |
Jujubee | 34 | Boston, Massachusetts | Season 2 | 3rd Place | TBA |
All Stars 1 | 3rd/4th Place | ||||
Miz Cracker | 35 | New York City, New York | Season 10 | 5th Place | TBA |
Shea Couleé | 30 | Chicago, Illinois | Season 9 | 3rd/4th Place | TBA |
Mayhem Miller | 37 | Riverside, California | Season 10 | 10th Place | 7th Place |
Mariah Paris Balenciaga | 37 | Los Angeles, California | Season 3 | 9th Place | 8th Place |
Ongina | 37 | Los Angeles, California | Season 1 | 5th Place | 9th Place |
Derrick Barry | 35 | Las Vegas, Nevada | Season 8 | 5th Place | 10th Place |
Web Accessible example
Contestant | Age | Hometown | Original season(s) | Original placement(s) | Outcome |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Alexis Mateo | 39 | Las Vegas, Nevada | Season 3 | 3rd Place | TBA |
All Stars 1 | 5th/6th Place | ||||
Blair St. Clair | 24 | Washington, D.C. | Season 10 | 9th Place | TBA |
India Ferrah | 33 | Las Vegas, Nevada | Season 3 | 6th Place | TBA |
Jujubee | 34 | Boston, Massachusetts | Season 2 | 3rd | TBA |
All Stars 1 | 3rd/4th Place | ||||
Miz Cracker | 35 | New York City, New York | Season 10 | 5th Place | TBA |
Shea Couleé | 30 | Chicago, Illinois | Season 9 | 3rd/4th Place | TBA |
Mayhem Miller | 37 | Riverside, California | Season 10 | 10th Place | 7th Place |
Mariah Paris Balenciaga | 37 | Los Angeles, California | Season 3 | 9th Place | 8th Place |
Ongina | 37 | Los Angeles, California | Season 1 | 5th Place | 9th Place |
Derrick Barry | 35 | Las Vegas, Nevada | Season 8 | 5th Place | 10th Place |
I would like to see us adopt these standards to be more web accessible as these changes generally benefit everyone but particularly those who might be hard of sight. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 12:15, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
I frequently answer requests at WP:RFPP and have noticed the project has had issues with people modifying tables and ensuring MOS compliance. I wanted to figure out how we could protect the templates without having to protect the whole page all the time, and so I've been working on {{ Drag Race progress table}} and {{ Drag Race contestant table}}. They're not ready for prime time yet, but since you all know more about what it needs, I thought it's a good time to get more feedback. One additional advantage I see is that once you all come up with a color scheme you like, we can add it to the template so that (1) you don't need to change it across dozens of pages and (2) it's harder for people to mess with the colors without consensus. Take a look and let me know what features you would find useful. — Wug· a·po·des 08:10, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
...I made a RuBarnstar here for deserving editors. (it's a poor attempt at photoshop since I only have Paint, sorry Ru, but it's the thought that counts)
The RuPaul Barnstar | ||
Put your message here. APK whisper in my ear 20:13, 18 July 2020 (UTC) |
APK
whisper in my ear 20:13, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Just throwing it out there, but since the tables are what ends up getting changed/vandalized the most, I wonder if it might make sense to use separate templates, put the tables in those templates and then we can have higher protection levels for just the templates with the summary tables? As an example of what I mean, see how Critical mass#Critical mass of a bare sphere calls {{ Critical mass}}. Just a thought, it might end up being more effort than it's worth but I thought it might be useful since these seem to get changed more than the rest of the articles as a whole. Umimmak ( talk) 01:21, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
There's an article for Werq the World, but there have been many other tours as well, such as the Haters Road. Wondering if there should be some new articles created for some of the other RPDR-related tours, including some of the holiday-themed ones? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 02:33, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
I've created stubs for A Drag Queen Christmas and Haters Roast. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 03:25, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
I just created a sub-stub for Drive 'N Drag. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
The standard we seem to follow at this WikiProject is to use the subject's drag name/drag pronouns in the lead, Career section, and anywhere else that discusses things done in the capacity of the drag persona. Conversely, we seem to stick with out-of-drag names/pronouns in sections that discuss subjects' early and personal lives. Should we formalize this (or another) standard in an RfC? I've encountered probably half a dozen situations in the past year where having a formal consensus to point to would have been helpful. Here is one example.
Now that we've slowly been getting some of our RuGirl biographies to GA status, I think it's only a matter of time before a reviewer wants more than a verbal explanation of pronoun handling from the nominator. I think this kind of consensus would also be a useful reference point for other drag queen articles that do not fall within the scope of the Drag Race WikiProject. Thoughts? Armadillo pteryx 14:19, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Below is a draft of the RfC text for this topic.
Wikipedia contains several hundred biographies of notable drag queens and kings (see Category:Drag queens and Category:Drag kings). These are individuals who are notable as a stage persona that most often has a different name and/or gender from the performer. Reliable sources typically report on these subjects using only the name and pronouns associated with the drag persona. Which of the following describes the most appropriate use of names and pronouns in drag performers' Wikipedia articles?
Further questions:
What are other editors' thoughts on this wording? What changes and improvements should be made before opening the RfC? Armadillo pteryx 23:11, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
A user has just added a numerical placement column to the progress tables in all the regular season articles (e.g. like this, at season 8). Is this something we want? Armadillo pteryx 00:24, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Those who watch this page may be interested in the following discussion: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#WP:Surname and MOS:GENDERID with regard to drag queen articles. Armadillo pteryx 06:25, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Are there any multi-lingual editors who would be interested in translating this project's quality content into another language, or even promoting content to good status at other Wikipedias? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 14:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | → | Archive 10 |
See Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biography#Pronouns_for_males_performing_as_females_(aka_drag_queens) --- Another Believer ( Talk) 02:37, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
I've started a stub for Tina Burner, who has appeared on more than one television series. Improvements welcome! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
I've selected Rock M. Sakura as the Collaboration of the Month. Please help improve this article and see the ongoing discussion on the talk page regarding page title. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 01:57, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
"I'm Rock M. Sakura, and am I truly Japanese? Who knows. Is it cultural appropriation? We'll find out. Stay tuned." – Rock M. Sakura
Edits by Trinity? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 02:20, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
Tamisha Iman is coming for you! ---- Another Believer ( Talk) 01:17, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
New page for Rosé (drag queen). Improvements welcome! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:22, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
Love the crossover between UK seasons!
https://open.spotify.com/track/6b2ikWQE43jpC27oour5ud?si=y2r7jz9iSF-7nDrGTdpoog
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Please see ongoing discussions at Talk:Denali (drag queen). Project member feedback would be helpful. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:25, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
FYI: Drag Race España! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 00:45, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Is anyone else surprised that there isn't a wikipedia page for Merle Ginsberg? I'm pretty sure she is Notable... Naraht ( talk) 13:46, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Hoping some project members can make sure Gottmik looks good, especially w/r/t Gottmik vs. Gottlieb and pronouns. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 23:12, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
The Jade Jolie WP article is currently up for AfD here. Discussion and improvements welcome. — Kbabej ( talk) 04:27, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
The page Aiden Zhane has been nominated for deletion. Contributions welcome. -- Underpaid Intern ( talk) 15:56, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
The page Joslyn Fox has been nominated for deletion. Contributions welcome. -- Underpaid Intern ( talk) 16:09, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I am a not registered user and I believe that the page LaLa Ri lacks notability. The article is only about LaLa's performance on the show, with very little extra information (the only non-Drag Race info are the place she lives). As I am not registered, I am struggling to nominate the article for deletion, also because the creator of the page removed quickly the AfD template without letting anyone else consider it. Wikipedia is not Drag Race Wiki and LaLa Ri's is essentially only about her performance on the show, I believe it should be deleted (or it should redirect to RPDR Season 13). -- 78.148.25.46 ( talk) 08:17, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Discussion participation welcome. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 20:58, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
The page Nicky Doll has been nominated for deletion. Contributions welcome. -- Underpaid Intern ( talk) 16:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
The request made for a Third Opinion about this dispute has been removed (i.e. declined). The dispute here is about a conduct issue, not a content issue, and 3O's are only available for content issues. Any content issues in regard to the nomination will be worked out at the AfD. Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 20:38, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Update: The article has been kept. Underpaid Intern, all of the articles you nominated for deletion were kept. Please be sure to do more research and sourcing assessment before jumping straight to AfD. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 14:09, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
It has come to my attention that there is a disruptive editor in our midst, their username is Luvtanaxox. They are making several vandalistic and unsourced edits to Drag Race contestant progress tables, so it may be worth keeping an eye on. Billwebster91 ( talk) 03:42, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
Don't worry, it's not a vandalism issue at the moment.
I noticed that as of today (Sunday Aug 23), nobody had yet filled out the episode summary for Ep8 "Welcome to the Family", so I mostly did that just now — but the one thing I can't remember off the top of my head is the exact name they gave to the runway challenge, and I'm away from my Firestick for a few days, so I can't just log into the Crave app right now to rewatch the episode. So is there anybody around who does have immediate access to one of the streaming platforms, who can check what the name of the runway theme was and fill it in? Thanks. Bearcat ( talk) 14:02, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
New stub: Kandy Muse. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:47, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
Please help keep an eye on this article, which is currently receiving a lot of vandalism. I've already requested temporary page protection. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:48, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone have any problem with splitting The Switch Drag Race into a main page and two season pages? Naraht ( talk) 15:57, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
UK:
US:
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 00:33, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello, hello, hello! I invite project members to help with a small spring cleaning project. There are some older discussion above, including a few I'm not entirely sure are 'settled' because I don't follow the table discussions closely. If you see a discussion above which can be archived, please feel free to do so at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject RuPaul's Drag Race/Archive 4. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 23:04, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:39, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
New stub: Art Simone --- Another Believer ( Talk) 04:24, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, I did: Tongue popping. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 02:27, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
I just started a new discussion at Talk:Sasha Velour re: Sasha Velour being marked as female at Wikidata. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
We have articles for the following Rusical episodes:
Season 6 had " Shade: The Rusical" (no Wikipedia article yet). Have there been others? Other notable episodes worth creating pages for? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:29, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
I've created a stub for " PharmaRusical" --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:05, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
There is also Glamazonian Airways, Divas: Lip Synch Live, and Bitch Perfect. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 03:39, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
I think mentioning the appearances of the contestants in other seasons in the lede is a bit much. Looking at RuPaul's Drag Race (season 9) and RuPaul's Drag Race (season 10), almost half of the lede is focused on this. I think it should go into its own section at the end of the article. Thoughts? Nihlus 00:00, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
So, All Stars 5 is already starting, so I think it would be good to get a clear policy in place, so i think we should move forward with this conversation. So far, the current proposal worked by Asd17 is as follows:
Should the following table, or something very similar, be adopted to quell the ongoing edit-warring over placement (High, low) in the tables? 23:57, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Contestant | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Crystal Methyd | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | WIN | BTM2 | |
Gigi Goode | TOP2 | SAFE | WIN | SAFE | WIN | WIN | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | WIN | |
Jaida Essence Hall | WIN | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | WIN | WIN | BTM2 | SAFE | |
Sherry Pie | TOP2 | WIN | SAFE | WIN | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | |
Jackie Cox | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | BTM2 | BTM2 | SAFE | ELIM | |
Heidi N Closet | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | BTM2 | SAFE | BTM2 | WIN | SAFE | BTM2 | ELIM | ||
Widow Von'Du | WIN | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | BTM2 | ELIM | ||||
Jan | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | ELIM | |||||
Brita | SAFE | SAFE | BTM2 | SAFE | BTM2 | ELIM | ||||||
Aiden Zhane | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | SAFE | ELIM | |||||||
Nicky Doll | SAFE | BTM2 | SAFE | ELIM | ||||||||
Rock M. Sakura | SAFE | SAFE | ELIM | |||||||||
Dahlia Sin | SAFE | ELIM |
I think overall it's a solid proposal, which may merit some comments and observations to make sure it works well in most or all episodes and seasons. There was a proposal to replace yellow with a lighter shade of blue, and we might want to check how it would fit All Stars both in the past rules (seasons 2, 3 and 4) and the current rules (Season 5). Any other question we might want to check? In case there is a consensus here, is there any special procedure to turn this into a style guideline? Simply put, what follows? Not A Superhero ( talk) 05:08, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
This just leads to more issues; it groups the best and the worst together rather than showing the difference. One may see the chart, and while they see the slight shading of SAFE means they were the best or the worst, it doesn't truly represent what occurred; they have no way of knowing if one did poor or one did better. I believe there have been previous attempts to remove the HIGH/LOW colors from the chart before (back when Season 7 was airing), and that idea was shot down shortly after. I realize the semantics and technicalities rule in favor of this, but it still causes more confusion and misrepresentation than actual helpfulness and accuracy. Billwebster91 ( talk) 04:10, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
So, where do we go from here? Is there any procedure to move the discussion forward? Not A Superhero ( talk) 00:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I've tried to introduce some changes to the RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars (season 5) article per the Manuel of Style on Accessibility and several editors have reverted them or just ignored the changes. Being accessible is of huge importance because legislation around the world is changing. In the UK, in September 2020, we have web accessibility compliance legislation coming into force which will impact on this. Being accessible is a really small and minor set of changes that could be made across the project to improve readability for those who have a disability or who are hard of sight. The changes are small and do not effect functionality for the majority of users.
!scope="row"
and !scope="col"
are mandatory and standard practise for achieving accessibilityI've done some examples below to show how web accessibility could be achieved, using All Stars 5 as an example.
Current practise - not web accessible
Contestants | Age | Hometown | Original season(s) | Original placement(s) | Outcome |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Alexis Mateo | 39 | Las Vegas, Nevada | Season 3 | 3rd Place | TBA |
All Stars 1 | 5th/6th Place | ||||
Blair St. Clair | 24 | Washington, D.C. | Season 10 | 9th Place | TBA |
India Ferrah | 33 | Las Vegas, Nevada | Season 3 | 6th Place | TBA |
Jujubee | 34 | Boston, Massachusetts | Season 2 | 3rd Place | TBA |
All Stars 1 | 3rd/4th Place | ||||
Miz Cracker | 35 | New York City, New York | Season 10 | 5th Place | TBA |
Shea Couleé | 30 | Chicago, Illinois | Season 9 | 3rd/4th Place | TBA |
Mayhem Miller | 37 | Riverside, California | Season 10 | 10th Place | 7th Place |
Mariah Paris Balenciaga | 37 | Los Angeles, California | Season 3 | 9th Place | 8th Place |
Ongina | 37 | Los Angeles, California | Season 1 | 5th Place | 9th Place |
Derrick Barry | 35 | Las Vegas, Nevada | Season 8 | 5th Place | 10th Place |
Web Accessible example
Contestant | Age | Hometown | Original season(s) | Original placement(s) | Outcome |
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Alexis Mateo | 39 | Las Vegas, Nevada | Season 3 | 3rd Place | TBA |
All Stars 1 | 5th/6th Place | ||||
Blair St. Clair | 24 | Washington, D.C. | Season 10 | 9th Place | TBA |
India Ferrah | 33 | Las Vegas, Nevada | Season 3 | 6th Place | TBA |
Jujubee | 34 | Boston, Massachusetts | Season 2 | 3rd | TBA |
All Stars 1 | 3rd/4th Place | ||||
Miz Cracker | 35 | New York City, New York | Season 10 | 5th Place | TBA |
Shea Couleé | 30 | Chicago, Illinois | Season 9 | 3rd/4th Place | TBA |
Mayhem Miller | 37 | Riverside, California | Season 10 | 10th Place | 7th Place |
Mariah Paris Balenciaga | 37 | Los Angeles, California | Season 3 | 9th Place | 8th Place |
Ongina | 37 | Los Angeles, California | Season 1 | 5th Place | 9th Place |
Derrick Barry | 35 | Las Vegas, Nevada | Season 8 | 5th Place | 10th Place |
I would like to see us adopt these standards to be more web accessible as these changes generally benefit everyone but particularly those who might be hard of sight. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 12:15, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
I frequently answer requests at WP:RFPP and have noticed the project has had issues with people modifying tables and ensuring MOS compliance. I wanted to figure out how we could protect the templates without having to protect the whole page all the time, and so I've been working on {{ Drag Race progress table}} and {{ Drag Race contestant table}}. They're not ready for prime time yet, but since you all know more about what it needs, I thought it's a good time to get more feedback. One additional advantage I see is that once you all come up with a color scheme you like, we can add it to the template so that (1) you don't need to change it across dozens of pages and (2) it's harder for people to mess with the colors without consensus. Take a look and let me know what features you would find useful. — Wug· a·po·des 08:10, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
...I made a RuBarnstar here for deserving editors. (it's a poor attempt at photoshop since I only have Paint, sorry Ru, but it's the thought that counts)
The RuPaul Barnstar | ||
Put your message here. APK whisper in my ear 20:13, 18 July 2020 (UTC) |
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whisper in my ear 20:13, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Just throwing it out there, but since the tables are what ends up getting changed/vandalized the most, I wonder if it might make sense to use separate templates, put the tables in those templates and then we can have higher protection levels for just the templates with the summary tables? As an example of what I mean, see how Critical mass#Critical mass of a bare sphere calls {{ Critical mass}}. Just a thought, it might end up being more effort than it's worth but I thought it might be useful since these seem to get changed more than the rest of the articles as a whole. Umimmak ( talk) 01:21, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
There's an article for Werq the World, but there have been many other tours as well, such as the Haters Road. Wondering if there should be some new articles created for some of the other RPDR-related tours, including some of the holiday-themed ones? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 02:33, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
I've created stubs for A Drag Queen Christmas and Haters Roast. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 03:25, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
I just created a sub-stub for Drive 'N Drag. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
The standard we seem to follow at this WikiProject is to use the subject's drag name/drag pronouns in the lead, Career section, and anywhere else that discusses things done in the capacity of the drag persona. Conversely, we seem to stick with out-of-drag names/pronouns in sections that discuss subjects' early and personal lives. Should we formalize this (or another) standard in an RfC? I've encountered probably half a dozen situations in the past year where having a formal consensus to point to would have been helpful. Here is one example.
Now that we've slowly been getting some of our RuGirl biographies to GA status, I think it's only a matter of time before a reviewer wants more than a verbal explanation of pronoun handling from the nominator. I think this kind of consensus would also be a useful reference point for other drag queen articles that do not fall within the scope of the Drag Race WikiProject. Thoughts? Armadillo pteryx 14:19, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Below is a draft of the RfC text for this topic.
Wikipedia contains several hundred biographies of notable drag queens and kings (see Category:Drag queens and Category:Drag kings). These are individuals who are notable as a stage persona that most often has a different name and/or gender from the performer. Reliable sources typically report on these subjects using only the name and pronouns associated with the drag persona. Which of the following describes the most appropriate use of names and pronouns in drag performers' Wikipedia articles?
Further questions:
What are other editors' thoughts on this wording? What changes and improvements should be made before opening the RfC? Armadillo pteryx 23:11, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
A user has just added a numerical placement column to the progress tables in all the regular season articles (e.g. like this, at season 8). Is this something we want? Armadillo pteryx 00:24, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Those who watch this page may be interested in the following discussion: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#WP:Surname and MOS:GENDERID with regard to drag queen articles. Armadillo pteryx 06:25, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Are there any multi-lingual editors who would be interested in translating this project's quality content into another language, or even promoting content to good status at other Wikipedias? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 14:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)