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I'm not at home in cricket, so I have no idea if someone who has only played for the Second XI of a cricket club is considered notable or should be AfD'ed. He has made no first team appearances according to the databases. Fram ( talk) 15:29, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
At the risk of being censured for the crime of "canvassing" I point out that I have nominated the above category for renaming. Discussion is at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 October 24#Category:Victoria (Australia) cricketers. My views on the matter (and for that matter, the CfD process) are shown quite clearly there, nevertheless, your views for and against the rename would be useful. Cheers, Mattinbgn\ talk 00:07, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
There is a very significant point at stake here and I think it is in the long-term interest of WP:CRIC to support Mattinbgn. There is a sort of clique operating on the CfD pages who do not subscribe to WP:UCS in terms of category naming and who, by joining all controversial CfD topics, are always likely to secure consensus for their literal interpretation of policies and guidelines. We as subject experts need to stand up to these people to ensure that cricket categories are named according to our own consensus.
The problem is their "global" interpretation of the name Victoria. In terms of first-class cricket, it is a unique name and refers to a team in Australia as we all know. The line being taken by the CfD regulars is that "Victoria cricketers" will lead the "average reader" (sic) to assume that the category includes players from the reign of Queen Victoria (yes, really, even though the word is Victoria and not Victorian). The discussion has now been joined by the architect of the Victoria (Australia) movement himself who has grandly proclaimed that his view is what is best for "the vast majority of readers".
I should add that there already mutterings among these people about proposing a change of name for, say, category:Sussex cricketers to category:Sussex County Cricket Club players. Before long, we will have anything to do with Kent being named Kent (England) as obviously the "average reader" will think they play top-class cricket at Kent State University.
That is the mindset that prevails on CfD and if we want to protect WP:CRIC categories from their doctrine, then we must support Mattinbgn's nomination to establish a precedent. Thanks. BlackJack | talk page 07:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm skeptical. A AFD and DRV let the guys recreate it if they had proper sources etc. I don't think it's too good. YellowMonkey ( click here to choose Australia's next top model!) 00:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I made a list this morning of female cricketers, Cricket Archive codes wf1 - wf215, here. While I have no time to do so now, I will fix any undisambiguated names this evening. I am going to make a list of female cricketers from match codes witt1 - witt20 later, though I doubt there are many on the latter list that aren't already on the former.
Making a list of women's List A cricketers seems a bit of a hefty task as there are 1698 matches to root through. These include wo1 - wo653, which I'm sure I can knock off given a few hours this weekend. I still have it on my list to create waus1 - waus262 - and I assume it would be okay to knock off the non-international matches in the list from wtt1 - wtt66.
Are there any more groups of notable female cricket match lists that I have forgotten? Thank you in advance. Bobo . 04:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
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I have concerns about Category:Northern Irish cricketers. The name suggests that any cricketer born in Northern Ireland can be placed in it. However User:Andrew nixon has placed a very narrow restriction on it. I suggest an additional category called Category:Northern Ireland international cricketers should be created. However Andrew is being uncooperative. Any ideas ? Djln-- Djln ( talk) 21:31, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I'd propose the following guidelines:
England, Ireland and the West Indies, as they represent more than one political entity, need to have exceptions. I think we've already covered something similar, but my suggestion would be this:
In the above, national side means ANY national side at any level.
Thoughts? Andrew nixon ( talk) 10:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I've read all of this with interest and I think the project's approach has gone astray somewhat. It would be better to have category:Cricketers from Northern Ireland and include in this any player, including Martin McCague, who was born in Northern Ireland. For international teams of all varieties you should have, for example, category:England cricketers in which McCague would again feature. Thus, Kevin Pietersen would be in category:Cricketers from South Africa and category:England cricketers. GeorgeWilliams ( talk) 09:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I've created a new infobox for cricket tours that can quickly and easily replace the ones currently in use. All of the fields from the old infoboxes are used in the new version in the same format, so there if there is a consensus to move over to the new infobox then very little work will be required to do so. Here are two examples that make use of the new infobox: English cricket team in India in 2005–06 (old) and Australian cricket team in South Africa in 2005-06 (old). Please let me know whether you can think of any improvements that can be made to it. MDM ( talk) 03:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
This is a DVD release of selected WP articles due out by the end of 2008. At least two cricket articles have been chosen and I wondered if anyone knows of more (the project places a tag on each selected article's talk page). The two I've seen are History of cricket to 1725 and Hambledon Club. I'm surprised by the choice of the latter as it is still underdeveloped.
Unfortunately, cricket is listed as an article that needs cleaning up. But at least we've made a start on it. -- BlackJack | talk page 06:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
As I understand it, the list is here and includes articles previously approved in v0.5, like Donald Bradman. Quite a few cricket articles in it. -- Dweller ( talk) 20:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
We can also nominate articles that aren't on the list. One of hte big criteria in that list is page traffic and interwiki links which is why it has so many modern players. Charlie Macartney (author COI) would be interesting because he has a distnictive style that is very much different to other players. YellowMonkey ( click here to choose Australia's next top model!) 00:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Greetings from WP:FOOTBALL! I have just created an article on Dé Kessler, who played international football for the Netherlands between 1909 and 1922, during which time it also appears he played international cricket for the Netherlands - can anyone flesh out the cricket section of his article for me please? Many thanks, Giant Snowman 14:28, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
After looking at some of the lists of ODI players by country I decided to expand List of Irish ODI cricketers. I feel it's in better shape than most of the articles listed above (perhaps it could form a model for the others, such as what to put in the lead) and was wondering if anyone thought it would be worth putting forward for at FLC? Nev1 ( talk) 21:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
As promised, it's now a FLC; any suggestions are gratefully accepted. Nev1 ( talk) 00:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
It seems from the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Version_0.7#Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cricket_assessment that we're short of a quality article about a SA cricket great.
I propose that we swiftly choose one to improve and do so collaboratively.
Names that occurred to me are:
Mike Procter,
Graeme Pollock,
Ali Bacher or controversially
Hansie Cronje.
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I've just spent a while creating a list of cricketers, codes waus1 to waus262 - though I thought I had already done this. Some names which appear, in their undisambiguated form, to redirect to pages with other titles, should ideally be changed to disambiguation pages. For example, Jane Franklin, which redirects to Jane Griffin (Lady Franklin), probably needs to incorporate both Lady Franklin and Jane Franklin (cricketer).
In which case, I'll then need to fix the link on the subpage - which I shall eventually get to. I will complete this task when and if I create these names.
Would help if I linked to the page: here. Bobo . 17:47, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
My monthly appeal for photographs, as this article is near enough FA quality if only it had photos of him. SGGH speak! 23:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
A quick query for someone who knows more about Indian cricket than I do. Is Bimal Soni this player who played twice for Rajasthan and would appear to be inaccurately on Cricinfo's record as Vimal Soni? Andrew nixon ( talk) 20:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
Just a note to say that I've tweaked the column widths in the all-singing all-dancing infobox to allow the sub-continent season date ranges (1967/68&ndash1971/72) to display on one row without unsightly wrapping. If anyone notices that it has caused any problems, drop me a line.
– MDCollins ( talk) 02:25, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
No, I've increased column 1 (row titles) by 1em, and decreased the remaining 4 by 0.25em (or 0.33 if it is the 3 column stats etc.). At least it shouldn't have done. – MDCollins ( talk) 15:04, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
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Update: Is anybody willing to write a bit about Australia in T20s? I've updated the stats, added a bit about the captaincy and the World T20, but I've now run out of ideas. The lead still looks pretty thin so any help would be brilliant. Nev1 ( talk) 13:29, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Selection policy by Australia with eight batsmen when a win is needed. And then dropping the most economical bowler, probably resulting in an increasing run-rate, which would prompt a spread field and giving easy walked singles to India's uncle. Kumble style captaincy! YellowMonkey ( click here to choose Australia's next top model!) 04:29, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
If you think you're dreadful, wait till next summer when you see our lot! --- BlackJack | talk page 05:19, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Well done to Krejza after getting hit around early. Makes you wonder why he wasn't picked earlier. -- Mattinbgn\ talk 06:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Apart from the points raised by Blnguyen (what you doing here? get back to your break!) I think the selection of Krejza is nothing short of astonishing. I am genuinely shocked that the Australian spin resources are so poor that they give a Test debut to Krejza, a specialist spinner with a F-C bowling average of 50+. When Warne was in his pomp, the British media had it that Terry Jenner was training a legion of demon spinners and every kid in Oz wanted to be a leggie. Mind you, at least Krejza's Test average is currently lower than his First Class! -- Dweller ( talk) 10:55, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
This list needs something... Deletion or update, for example... OrangeKnight ( talk) 09:39, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi I have changed the links of the above article as some of the ones that appeared to be redlinks did have an article but were linked incorrectly. All the redlinks on the article now are proper red links. I did honestly think I had created all first class/ List A cricketers that were bangladeshi up to the summer of 2007. Obviously I was wrong. It seemed when I first stated I may of accedentally missed a few for some reason as most of them seem to begin with A. I have no real feelings on if the list stays or not I just wanted to make you aware that there were not as many redlinks of bangladeshi cricketers as it first appears. 02blythed ( I cannot sign for some reason which has happened alot recently).
I've asked Blackjack for a quality reassessment.
Meanwhile, the 0.7 rankings seem to be assisted by Interwiki links. I've therefore created a stub on Pollock on simple: and fr: is already done.
Could other editors do similarly on other language wikis? I'm sure we have some editors who are reasonably proficient in some of the subcontinental languages, for example. Anyone handy with Italian? German? Spanish?
Cheers -- Dweller ( talk) 15:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
All excellent suggestions; I've left some messages. I don't the quality makes any difference, just the fact that they exist. I suppose the logic is that the more interwiki appearances, the more likely it is that a topic is universally considered important. I'll also drop a line to User:Deborahjay about he: -- Dweller ( talk) 11:24, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I have just created the complete list of first-class cricketers for Zarai Taraqiati Bank Limited. In a footnote at the bottom of the subpage, I have listed all the guys who named Mohammad Kashif who have played first-class or List A cricket, and while I can disambiguate most by year of birth, there are two for whom this is impossible - even in the sense of John Doe (cricketer, born month date).
The complete list of Mohammad Kashif's in first-class cricket run thuswise:
Complete list of Mohammad Kashifs:
If anyone can think of a more convenient way to disambiguate these names, please edit my subpage as you feel necessary. Bobo . 01:36, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Just been asked on my talk page, and found the manual of style a little unclear.
If someone plays a domestic season in a southern hemisphere nation, when showing this in the infobox is it "Transvaal 1974/75" to show over the winter of 74 to 75, rather than 1974-75 which would imply two summer seasons. (this is what Cricket Archive does) or is it 1974-75 regardless of whether it is just the winter or the two summers? SGGH speak! 21:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Whatever we do it should be consistent across all winter seasons (subtle hemispheric bias! :-)) in the infobox, navboxes, the main article body and article and category titles and the project Manual of Style updated to reflect any consensus. -- Mattinbgn\ talk 23:11, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
“ | When referring to a cricket season spanning two years, use an en dash and the last two digits of the second year as in International cricket in 2005-06 or New Zealand cricket team in Zimbabwe in 2005-06. However, if the years do not begin with the same two digits, write out the full year: 1899–1900 | ” |
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 9#Terminology again may provide some guidance. -- Mattinbgn\ talk 00:29, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Browsing Category:International cricket tours, I see that the vast majority of articles are named incorrectly using a hyphen, instead of an endash. They should all be moved, leaving the redirect in place. I've started on a few. – Moondyne 04:25, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Double problem being discussed at Talk:Graeme Pollock.
First, the flag usage seems to be crufty, in breach of WP:FLAG.
Second, in Pollock's case, the flag is anachronistic, as it's not the flag Pollock played under.
Can the template please be amended to remove the automatic flag, but leave the useful link to the team? -- Dweller ( talk) 14:43, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I have a long-standing issue with flags but it's more about overuse of them because they can seriously hinder download, especially for users not on broadband. I would rather they are not used at all unless the article does actually discuss the flag. For sporting subjects, that is highly unlikely and I really don't see the point of them. To my technical mind, they are like the "bells and whistles" syndrome that you get with unprofessional system designers and, as in that scenario, they are a waste of space. --- BlackJack | talk page 10:11, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
is there a user bos for project members? I was finally looking to add to my user page and couldn't find on? Lihaas ( talk) 06:46, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have access to Wisden and Playfair annuals of the fifties and sixties in which there is coverage of Gary's career in league cricket? I have the 1960 to 1962 Playfairs which provide info about some of his time with Radcliffe CC but I could do with the full picture. I believe he played league cricket from 1958 to 1962, 1964 to 1965 and in 1967. Thanks. --- BlackJack | talk page 10:30, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
The flags have now gone. I've made the links to the "country cricket team" more explicit, and so they only appear when "international = true". There is no need for them to appear if not, and can appear confusing (as User:Jevansen implied above. If anyone has any problems with the edits, just let me know.
I will now work on the functionality for dual country players, so that links to both sides can appear, and the country at debut (and last match) appears in the international section (for example Kepler Wessels made his Test debut for Australia and played his last Test for SA).
Does anyone else agree with BlackJack (among others) that the debut/last match years should be used in the infobox, rather than the cumbersome, and possibly ambiguous season ranges? If so, I will tweak the wording of the documentation.– MDCollins ( talk) 00:06, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure it's a good idea moving away from the flag towards a title. It looks like a caption and looks bad on articles with and without their own existing caption. I would move back to the flag or remove the the caption style phrasing from the infobox altogether. Londo 06 08:41, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Mdcollins1984 12:00, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I recently came across this article, which began life as Flannels, and was later moved to Cricket clothing. This struck me as a poor title for two reasons: 1. it deals only with flannels/cricket whites, not all types of cricket clothing; and 2. there is already a general article at Cricket clothing and equipment. Seeing this as a specialist article, I moved it to Cricket Whites, to my mind the most common term, and redirected "Cricket clothing" to the general article. This name is not quite right, as WP policy should probably have it as Cricket whites. As an existing redirect with a history, that move requires an admin. However, it's not for me to request without consensus. What do you all think? Should it be: Cricket Whites (existing) Cricket whites, Whites (cricket), Flannels (all existing redirects), or merged into Cricket clothing and equipment? Gwinva ( talk) 09:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Whilst I'm being praised for my suggestions, I might as well keep going. Reviewing the list of top/high importance articles, I noticed that Twenty20 was the main article and Twenty20 cricket was the redirect. Now, I think that it should be reversed... anyone disagree? Reply here or there and once there is some consensus we'll need an admin to do the work, as Twenty20 cricket isn't just a single edit redirect. The-Pope ( talk) 14:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Can someone answer my question at Talk:Lahore_Badshahs? -- Dweller ( talk) 13:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Our article mentions that his playing career was "volatile" and then gives no examples of controversy... -- Dweller ( talk) 13:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Is there any way this can accomodate more than the top runscorer and wicket-taker in each innings. Because with only one slot, Laxman's 200* is not in the Delhi Test scorecard because Gambhir got 206*. Then when a reader reads that Laxman got MotM they won't know why; he scored 200* and 59* and Gambhir 206 and 36. Similarly, Dhoni second-tpo-scored in both innings of hte second Test, isn't in the scorecard, but is MOTM. YellowMonkey ( click here to choose Australia's next top model!) 04:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I recently moved back the article Australian cricket team in India in 2008-09 from the 2008-09 Border-Gavaskar Trophy title created by a page move earlier today. The former title seems to fall in line with the naming conventions for the international tour articles. Any help on what the correct title of this tour should be is greatly recieved, so a consensus can be reached regarding it. Thanks. Lugnuts ( talk) 12:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I guess you could call this eighteen from eighteen - although the list is not quite finished.
I am yet to disambiguate the list, I shall complete that task when I wake up later this morning - and I shall fill in the debutantes from 1981 onwards when I get the opportunity.
Nearly forgot to supply the link, it is here. Bobo . 04:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Following the recent changes, whenever I open up a cricketer biog page which has an infobox on it, the infobox makes a small shift leftwards as the final act of page-opening. This leaves it very close to the main text, which is visually less happy. Oh, I know this is pernickety, but... Johnlp ( talk) 09:58, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Well now, of course, I can't get it to do it, but it was doing the same yesterday. And there seems a variation in the space between the box and the text in, say, Ian Botham and my latest effort, Terry Barwell that isn't explained solely by pleasing wordwrapping in the main text. I'm on IE7 which usually explains most problems. No big deal, but if there is a cure, that'd be nice. Johnlp ( talk) 11:10, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for having a go. And for tidying up the Barwell infobox. Johnlp ( talk) 12:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
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I'm not at home in cricket, so I have no idea if someone who has only played for the Second XI of a cricket club is considered notable or should be AfD'ed. He has made no first team appearances according to the databases. Fram ( talk) 15:29, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
At the risk of being censured for the crime of "canvassing" I point out that I have nominated the above category for renaming. Discussion is at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 October 24#Category:Victoria (Australia) cricketers. My views on the matter (and for that matter, the CfD process) are shown quite clearly there, nevertheless, your views for and against the rename would be useful. Cheers, Mattinbgn\ talk 00:07, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
There is a very significant point at stake here and I think it is in the long-term interest of WP:CRIC to support Mattinbgn. There is a sort of clique operating on the CfD pages who do not subscribe to WP:UCS in terms of category naming and who, by joining all controversial CfD topics, are always likely to secure consensus for their literal interpretation of policies and guidelines. We as subject experts need to stand up to these people to ensure that cricket categories are named according to our own consensus.
The problem is their "global" interpretation of the name Victoria. In terms of first-class cricket, it is a unique name and refers to a team in Australia as we all know. The line being taken by the CfD regulars is that "Victoria cricketers" will lead the "average reader" (sic) to assume that the category includes players from the reign of Queen Victoria (yes, really, even though the word is Victoria and not Victorian). The discussion has now been joined by the architect of the Victoria (Australia) movement himself who has grandly proclaimed that his view is what is best for "the vast majority of readers".
I should add that there already mutterings among these people about proposing a change of name for, say, category:Sussex cricketers to category:Sussex County Cricket Club players. Before long, we will have anything to do with Kent being named Kent (England) as obviously the "average reader" will think they play top-class cricket at Kent State University.
That is the mindset that prevails on CfD and if we want to protect WP:CRIC categories from their doctrine, then we must support Mattinbgn's nomination to establish a precedent. Thanks. BlackJack | talk page 07:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm skeptical. A AFD and DRV let the guys recreate it if they had proper sources etc. I don't think it's too good. YellowMonkey ( click here to choose Australia's next top model!) 00:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I made a list this morning of female cricketers, Cricket Archive codes wf1 - wf215, here. While I have no time to do so now, I will fix any undisambiguated names this evening. I am going to make a list of female cricketers from match codes witt1 - witt20 later, though I doubt there are many on the latter list that aren't already on the former.
Making a list of women's List A cricketers seems a bit of a hefty task as there are 1698 matches to root through. These include wo1 - wo653, which I'm sure I can knock off given a few hours this weekend. I still have it on my list to create waus1 - waus262 - and I assume it would be okay to knock off the non-international matches in the list from wtt1 - wtt66.
Are there any more groups of notable female cricket match lists that I have forgotten? Thank you in advance. Bobo . 04:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
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I have concerns about Category:Northern Irish cricketers. The name suggests that any cricketer born in Northern Ireland can be placed in it. However User:Andrew nixon has placed a very narrow restriction on it. I suggest an additional category called Category:Northern Ireland international cricketers should be created. However Andrew is being uncooperative. Any ideas ? Djln-- Djln ( talk) 21:31, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I'd propose the following guidelines:
England, Ireland and the West Indies, as they represent more than one political entity, need to have exceptions. I think we've already covered something similar, but my suggestion would be this:
In the above, national side means ANY national side at any level.
Thoughts? Andrew nixon ( talk) 10:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I've read all of this with interest and I think the project's approach has gone astray somewhat. It would be better to have category:Cricketers from Northern Ireland and include in this any player, including Martin McCague, who was born in Northern Ireland. For international teams of all varieties you should have, for example, category:England cricketers in which McCague would again feature. Thus, Kevin Pietersen would be in category:Cricketers from South Africa and category:England cricketers. GeorgeWilliams ( talk) 09:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I've created a new infobox for cricket tours that can quickly and easily replace the ones currently in use. All of the fields from the old infoboxes are used in the new version in the same format, so there if there is a consensus to move over to the new infobox then very little work will be required to do so. Here are two examples that make use of the new infobox: English cricket team in India in 2005–06 (old) and Australian cricket team in South Africa in 2005-06 (old). Please let me know whether you can think of any improvements that can be made to it. MDM ( talk) 03:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
This is a DVD release of selected WP articles due out by the end of 2008. At least two cricket articles have been chosen and I wondered if anyone knows of more (the project places a tag on each selected article's talk page). The two I've seen are History of cricket to 1725 and Hambledon Club. I'm surprised by the choice of the latter as it is still underdeveloped.
Unfortunately, cricket is listed as an article that needs cleaning up. But at least we've made a start on it. -- BlackJack | talk page 06:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
As I understand it, the list is here and includes articles previously approved in v0.5, like Donald Bradman. Quite a few cricket articles in it. -- Dweller ( talk) 20:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
We can also nominate articles that aren't on the list. One of hte big criteria in that list is page traffic and interwiki links which is why it has so many modern players. Charlie Macartney (author COI) would be interesting because he has a distnictive style that is very much different to other players. YellowMonkey ( click here to choose Australia's next top model!) 00:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Greetings from WP:FOOTBALL! I have just created an article on Dé Kessler, who played international football for the Netherlands between 1909 and 1922, during which time it also appears he played international cricket for the Netherlands - can anyone flesh out the cricket section of his article for me please? Many thanks, Giant Snowman 14:28, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
After looking at some of the lists of ODI players by country I decided to expand List of Irish ODI cricketers. I feel it's in better shape than most of the articles listed above (perhaps it could form a model for the others, such as what to put in the lead) and was wondering if anyone thought it would be worth putting forward for at FLC? Nev1 ( talk) 21:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
As promised, it's now a FLC; any suggestions are gratefully accepted. Nev1 ( talk) 00:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
It seems from the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Version_0.7#Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cricket_assessment that we're short of a quality article about a SA cricket great.
I propose that we swiftly choose one to improve and do so collaboratively.
Names that occurred to me are:
Mike Procter,
Graeme Pollock,
Ali Bacher or controversially
Hansie Cronje.
I suggest we choose one we can find at least one photo for. Please indicate below a) your thoughts on who we choose and b) sign if you're willing to do a bunch of edits over the next week or so. --
Dweller (
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16:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I'd go for
Graeme Pollock as the only other article we already have a pic for is Cronje, and controversy will make that much more tricky to do in a hurry. --
Dweller (
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16:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I've just spent a while creating a list of cricketers, codes waus1 to waus262 - though I thought I had already done this. Some names which appear, in their undisambiguated form, to redirect to pages with other titles, should ideally be changed to disambiguation pages. For example, Jane Franklin, which redirects to Jane Griffin (Lady Franklin), probably needs to incorporate both Lady Franklin and Jane Franklin (cricketer).
In which case, I'll then need to fix the link on the subpage - which I shall eventually get to. I will complete this task when and if I create these names.
Would help if I linked to the page: here. Bobo . 17:47, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
My monthly appeal for photographs, as this article is near enough FA quality if only it had photos of him. SGGH speak! 23:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
A quick query for someone who knows more about Indian cricket than I do. Is Bimal Soni this player who played twice for Rajasthan and would appear to be inaccurately on Cricinfo's record as Vimal Soni? Andrew nixon ( talk) 20:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
Just a note to say that I've tweaked the column widths in the all-singing all-dancing infobox to allow the sub-continent season date ranges (1967/68&ndash1971/72) to display on one row without unsightly wrapping. If anyone notices that it has caused any problems, drop me a line.
– MDCollins ( talk) 02:25, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
No, I've increased column 1 (row titles) by 1em, and decreased the remaining 4 by 0.25em (or 0.33 if it is the 3 column stats etc.). At least it shouldn't have done. – MDCollins ( talk) 15:04, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
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Update: Is anybody willing to write a bit about Australia in T20s? I've updated the stats, added a bit about the captaincy and the World T20, but I've now run out of ideas. The lead still looks pretty thin so any help would be brilliant. Nev1 ( talk) 13:29, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Selection policy by Australia with eight batsmen when a win is needed. And then dropping the most economical bowler, probably resulting in an increasing run-rate, which would prompt a spread field and giving easy walked singles to India's uncle. Kumble style captaincy! YellowMonkey ( click here to choose Australia's next top model!) 04:29, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
If you think you're dreadful, wait till next summer when you see our lot! --- BlackJack | talk page 05:19, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Well done to Krejza after getting hit around early. Makes you wonder why he wasn't picked earlier. -- Mattinbgn\ talk 06:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Apart from the points raised by Blnguyen (what you doing here? get back to your break!) I think the selection of Krejza is nothing short of astonishing. I am genuinely shocked that the Australian spin resources are so poor that they give a Test debut to Krejza, a specialist spinner with a F-C bowling average of 50+. When Warne was in his pomp, the British media had it that Terry Jenner was training a legion of demon spinners and every kid in Oz wanted to be a leggie. Mind you, at least Krejza's Test average is currently lower than his First Class! -- Dweller ( talk) 10:55, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
This list needs something... Deletion or update, for example... OrangeKnight ( talk) 09:39, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi I have changed the links of the above article as some of the ones that appeared to be redlinks did have an article but were linked incorrectly. All the redlinks on the article now are proper red links. I did honestly think I had created all first class/ List A cricketers that were bangladeshi up to the summer of 2007. Obviously I was wrong. It seemed when I first stated I may of accedentally missed a few for some reason as most of them seem to begin with A. I have no real feelings on if the list stays or not I just wanted to make you aware that there were not as many redlinks of bangladeshi cricketers as it first appears. 02blythed ( I cannot sign for some reason which has happened alot recently).
I've asked Blackjack for a quality reassessment.
Meanwhile, the 0.7 rankings seem to be assisted by Interwiki links. I've therefore created a stub on Pollock on simple: and fr: is already done.
Could other editors do similarly on other language wikis? I'm sure we have some editors who are reasonably proficient in some of the subcontinental languages, for example. Anyone handy with Italian? German? Spanish?
Cheers -- Dweller ( talk) 15:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
All excellent suggestions; I've left some messages. I don't the quality makes any difference, just the fact that they exist. I suppose the logic is that the more interwiki appearances, the more likely it is that a topic is universally considered important. I'll also drop a line to User:Deborahjay about he: -- Dweller ( talk) 11:24, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I have just created the complete list of first-class cricketers for Zarai Taraqiati Bank Limited. In a footnote at the bottom of the subpage, I have listed all the guys who named Mohammad Kashif who have played first-class or List A cricket, and while I can disambiguate most by year of birth, there are two for whom this is impossible - even in the sense of John Doe (cricketer, born month date).
The complete list of Mohammad Kashif's in first-class cricket run thuswise:
Complete list of Mohammad Kashifs:
If anyone can think of a more convenient way to disambiguate these names, please edit my subpage as you feel necessary. Bobo . 01:36, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Just been asked on my talk page, and found the manual of style a little unclear.
If someone plays a domestic season in a southern hemisphere nation, when showing this in the infobox is it "Transvaal 1974/75" to show over the winter of 74 to 75, rather than 1974-75 which would imply two summer seasons. (this is what Cricket Archive does) or is it 1974-75 regardless of whether it is just the winter or the two summers? SGGH speak! 21:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Whatever we do it should be consistent across all winter seasons (subtle hemispheric bias! :-)) in the infobox, navboxes, the main article body and article and category titles and the project Manual of Style updated to reflect any consensus. -- Mattinbgn\ talk 23:11, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
“ | When referring to a cricket season spanning two years, use an en dash and the last two digits of the second year as in International cricket in 2005-06 or New Zealand cricket team in Zimbabwe in 2005-06. However, if the years do not begin with the same two digits, write out the full year: 1899–1900 | ” |
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 9#Terminology again may provide some guidance. -- Mattinbgn\ talk 00:29, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Browsing Category:International cricket tours, I see that the vast majority of articles are named incorrectly using a hyphen, instead of an endash. They should all be moved, leaving the redirect in place. I've started on a few. – Moondyne 04:25, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Double problem being discussed at Talk:Graeme Pollock.
First, the flag usage seems to be crufty, in breach of WP:FLAG.
Second, in Pollock's case, the flag is anachronistic, as it's not the flag Pollock played under.
Can the template please be amended to remove the automatic flag, but leave the useful link to the team? -- Dweller ( talk) 14:43, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I have a long-standing issue with flags but it's more about overuse of them because they can seriously hinder download, especially for users not on broadband. I would rather they are not used at all unless the article does actually discuss the flag. For sporting subjects, that is highly unlikely and I really don't see the point of them. To my technical mind, they are like the "bells and whistles" syndrome that you get with unprofessional system designers and, as in that scenario, they are a waste of space. --- BlackJack | talk page 10:11, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
is there a user bos for project members? I was finally looking to add to my user page and couldn't find on? Lihaas ( talk) 06:46, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have access to Wisden and Playfair annuals of the fifties and sixties in which there is coverage of Gary's career in league cricket? I have the 1960 to 1962 Playfairs which provide info about some of his time with Radcliffe CC but I could do with the full picture. I believe he played league cricket from 1958 to 1962, 1964 to 1965 and in 1967. Thanks. --- BlackJack | talk page 10:30, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
The flags have now gone. I've made the links to the "country cricket team" more explicit, and so they only appear when "international = true". There is no need for them to appear if not, and can appear confusing (as User:Jevansen implied above. If anyone has any problems with the edits, just let me know.
I will now work on the functionality for dual country players, so that links to both sides can appear, and the country at debut (and last match) appears in the international section (for example Kepler Wessels made his Test debut for Australia and played his last Test for SA).
Does anyone else agree with BlackJack (among others) that the debut/last match years should be used in the infobox, rather than the cumbersome, and possibly ambiguous season ranges? If so, I will tweak the wording of the documentation.– MDCollins ( talk) 00:06, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure it's a good idea moving away from the flag towards a title. It looks like a caption and looks bad on articles with and without their own existing caption. I would move back to the flag or remove the the caption style phrasing from the infobox altogether. Londo 06 08:41, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Mdcollins1984 12:00, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I recently came across this article, which began life as Flannels, and was later moved to Cricket clothing. This struck me as a poor title for two reasons: 1. it deals only with flannels/cricket whites, not all types of cricket clothing; and 2. there is already a general article at Cricket clothing and equipment. Seeing this as a specialist article, I moved it to Cricket Whites, to my mind the most common term, and redirected "Cricket clothing" to the general article. This name is not quite right, as WP policy should probably have it as Cricket whites. As an existing redirect with a history, that move requires an admin. However, it's not for me to request without consensus. What do you all think? Should it be: Cricket Whites (existing) Cricket whites, Whites (cricket), Flannels (all existing redirects), or merged into Cricket clothing and equipment? Gwinva ( talk) 09:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Whilst I'm being praised for my suggestions, I might as well keep going. Reviewing the list of top/high importance articles, I noticed that Twenty20 was the main article and Twenty20 cricket was the redirect. Now, I think that it should be reversed... anyone disagree? Reply here or there and once there is some consensus we'll need an admin to do the work, as Twenty20 cricket isn't just a single edit redirect. The-Pope ( talk) 14:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Can someone answer my question at Talk:Lahore_Badshahs? -- Dweller ( talk) 13:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Our article mentions that his playing career was "volatile" and then gives no examples of controversy... -- Dweller ( talk) 13:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Is there any way this can accomodate more than the top runscorer and wicket-taker in each innings. Because with only one slot, Laxman's 200* is not in the Delhi Test scorecard because Gambhir got 206*. Then when a reader reads that Laxman got MotM they won't know why; he scored 200* and 59* and Gambhir 206 and 36. Similarly, Dhoni second-tpo-scored in both innings of hte second Test, isn't in the scorecard, but is MOTM. YellowMonkey ( click here to choose Australia's next top model!) 04:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I recently moved back the article Australian cricket team in India in 2008-09 from the 2008-09 Border-Gavaskar Trophy title created by a page move earlier today. The former title seems to fall in line with the naming conventions for the international tour articles. Any help on what the correct title of this tour should be is greatly recieved, so a consensus can be reached regarding it. Thanks. Lugnuts ( talk) 12:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I guess you could call this eighteen from eighteen - although the list is not quite finished.
I am yet to disambiguate the list, I shall complete that task when I wake up later this morning - and I shall fill in the debutantes from 1981 onwards when I get the opportunity.
Nearly forgot to supply the link, it is here. Bobo . 04:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Following the recent changes, whenever I open up a cricketer biog page which has an infobox on it, the infobox makes a small shift leftwards as the final act of page-opening. This leaves it very close to the main text, which is visually less happy. Oh, I know this is pernickety, but... Johnlp ( talk) 09:58, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Well now, of course, I can't get it to do it, but it was doing the same yesterday. And there seems a variation in the space between the box and the text in, say, Ian Botham and my latest effort, Terry Barwell that isn't explained solely by pleasing wordwrapping in the main text. I'm on IE7 which usually explains most problems. No big deal, but if there is a cure, that'd be nice. Johnlp ( talk) 11:10, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for having a go. And for tidying up the Barwell infobox. Johnlp ( talk) 12:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)