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It seems like only a few years since Durham became first-class and now they are top of the pile and deservedly so. But for the abysmal weather this year, I reckon they would have wrapped the title up in August as they are clearly the best team around.
But it doesn't change the line in the County Championship infobox about the most successful team of all time. Does it? Lancashire, Surrey and the rest? :-) BlackJack | talk page 20:57, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
The ICC now have a guide as to what counts as official cricket on their website here. It has a section on "Women's Competitive cricket" which is defined in similar terms to first-class/List A cricket, though it doesn't go completely into specifics. CricketArchive has recently begun to have wf and wa match classifications in addition to their current f/a classifications, (eg. here and here) so my question is, do you think we can claim notability for women in those matches? Could we get away with saying that someone like Catherine Smaill was notable? She has played for Scotland, but not in women's ODIs, though she has played in three matches classed as CricketArchive's women's equivalent of List A.
My first thought is yes we can, but would appreciate the thoughts of others. Andrew nixon ( talk) 19:04, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
I create 2010 ICC World Cricket League Division Five, it gets nominated for speedy deletion and, big surprise, someone not from WP:Cricket, and an American no less, actually removed the speedy deletion tag. A sign of changing times, or a one off? Andrew nixon ( talk) 21:41, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
For the first time in the three years that I've been on the site, I've decided to explore the GA/FA process. I've tentatively nominated History of cricket to 1725 at GA. As the page directions themselves suggest, it is more a case of getting some positive feedback about how to make the article more readable and more informative than a desire to capture a star rating.
I realise that this is quite a specialist area of cricket history but some of you do have knowledge of it (it includes the origins of cricket in America and India). So, if you would like to make any comments on the article's talk page, they will be welcome; and if one of you should wish to lead the GA review itself, then great.
I think it's only right that someone seeking a GA should be prepared to perform a review too so I've taken over Maria Sharapova. I don't know that much about tennis but she is definitely the best looking lass in the GA list at present! BlackJack | talk page 09:56, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
It looks ok, although the tone seems a bit lively at times. Also with the page ranges in the refs, make sure to put a ndash instead of using a hyphen. Some of the standalone sentences should be merged. YellowMonkey ( bananabucket) 07:32, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
A whole bunch of cricket clubs have been prodded at Category:Proposed deletion as of 1 October 2008. I am not qualified to assess their notability but think they should be reviewed by an interested editor. TerriersFan ( talk) 19:32, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Today is the first day I've ever been faster in wanting to write an article than Cricket Archive has been in updating its database - I desperately want to write an article on some S. Nowak, who makes his first-class debut today for Northerns in the South African Airwaves Three-Day Challenge, but no confirmation yet exists on the player's first name, nor does a page exist for him on Cricket Archive.
If anyone spots his full name before I do, please feel free to get there before me. Bobo . 10:33, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
No worries SGGH speak! 13:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
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I'm intrigued how the guy's managed 9 Tests while playing just 25 other FC matches ever. -- Dweller ( talk) 14:04, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Found this uncategorized article, thought that maybe someone here could find an appropriate category. If in fact this topic deserves an article of its own... / skagedal ... 12:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
An interesting series....Perhaps India have not chosen their best team. I think, if the batsmen play properly, which they don't really do anymore nowadays, all the Tests should be drawn...and Perhaps Australia should pick 8 batsmen. YellowMonkey ( click here to choose Australia's next top model) 03:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I am sure since you are interested very much in the Indians and living in Australia. What chances do you think the Australians have? Given their bowling attack is pretty slim especially spin, id be relying on the bat to make sure Australia dont lose. Ta 211.30.12.197 ( talk) 07:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I see our old friend Sydney Riot of 1879 has been given a C-class rating for both WP:CRIC and WP:AUS by someone who, presumably, belongs to the latter project. We have had this article in our A-class review section for many months and it has been left that if someone can be bothered to complete the inline citations, then it will be worth an A-class rating. But, as this has not been done, it should be reviewed against the B-class criteria.
However, the C-class rating raises an issue because we have not adopted it in WP:CRIC while WP:AUS is one of the minority of projects that have.
The question is, should we expand our assessment criteria to incorporate C-class, which is the equivalent of better quality Start-class? The advantage of C-class is that it would potentially reduce the Start-class group by hundreds of articles and I see that the WP v0.7 data posted above indicates we have nearly 8,000 articles in all. The disadvantage is that it is an extra layer of admin. For a description of the C-class criteria, see Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment.
Personally, I think C-class would be a useful staging post between Start-class and B-class. I'd be prepared to do the necessary to incorporate it into our assessment page. But it depends on what you all think? BlackJack | talk page 14:36, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Given that Allyn has done some work on this I'm loath to dismiss it but I think it needs to be a clearly defined standard. I've thought about this and I have a proposal based on the B-class criteria which are:
Anything that fails #1 is a stub: has to be. So, anything that passes #1 is a start and whether it is a strong start or a weak start depends on how many of the other five it passes. It has to pass all six for B-class. C-class must represent a sound start and I propose that anything passing all of criteria 1 to 4 inclusive should be a C. Even it passes 1-3 and 5, it is not a C; if it passes all of 1-5 it is still a C. My reasoning is that the vast majority of articles failing B-class review do so because they don't meet one of #5 or #6: and there really are loads of them. Owzat? BlackJack | talk page 07:54, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
I have conflicting information about Bennett, who made one first-class appearance for Worcestershire in 1946. His CricketArchive info doesn't have a date of death, while Cricinfo says he died in 2007. Cricinfo also mentions that he played rugby, and that led me to a passing mention in this Telegraph obituary of Tom Kemp. Yes, a redlink, as is Thomas Kemp. In fact, Category:English rugby union footballers contains no Kemps at all!
Anyway, I also turned up this brief mention on a rugby blog, which seems to be about the same person. The information in message 8 there says that Bennett "won seven caps in 1947 - 48", and also mentions Epsom College and St Mary's Hospital, both of which are mentioned in the Cricinfo bio. So, it would seem to be the same man... except that the blog - dated 2005 - mentions that a memorial service is about to be held, which would mean that Cricinfo's 2007 date would be wrong; and also says that Bennett played for Hampshire, which "my" Bennett never did. Any suggestions? Loganberry ( Talk) 20:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Ahmm..Can you guys do some cleanup work and expansion on the article Saurav Ganguly? Currently it is rated START class. He going to retire.. So..Many people might read this article.. Soo. Its shameful to see this article in such a state. So.. I hope you'll do something.-- Abhishek Jacob ( talk) 16:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
A new user has added this fans forum site as an online link. I think I've seen a rule about this sort of site somewhere but can't remember where. Does anyone know if they are allowed or do they constitute advertising or whatever? BlackJack | talk page 20:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
I just created this page, for the semi-annual season starting in April 2009. It was immediately tagged for speedy deletion. If you have an opinion whether it should be deleted or not, please express it on the article's talk page, in the section headlined "speedy deletion". Thanks.-- Nitsansh ( talk) 08:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
This category seems to me to define it as allowing recreational drugs. I think that it should be redefined if necessary to exllude Fleming and Nash etc, because they smoked pot, and it's a bit harsh to include that with steroids, EPO, HGH etc.... YellowMonkey ( click here to choose Australia's next top model) 03:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I thought I had already done this, but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to let you guys know - I've made lists of first-class cricketers from - as of this moment - six different English County cricket teams, Derbyshire, Durham, Essex, Glamorgan, Gloucestershire and Kent (wikilinks are piped to my user subpages), which may or may not assist people in creating articles for county cricketers. Most notable are the redlinks for Gloucestershire - if only because clearly I blinked and missed the moment when Cricket Archive finally put up a Gloucestershire subsection on their site.
If anyone wants to start working on relatively prosey articles for these, I would be most appreciative - particularly, for example, as we are only 11 cricketers away from having an article about every Durham first-class player.
Thank you everyone. Bobo . 04:19, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
I left a comment about possible minor mistakes on the Don's article talk page a few weeks ago... Nobody seems to be interested in it, so I post this message to ask for a review... I know that I sould be BOLD, but I don't want to downgrade the quality of this article with my far-from-perfect English... Thanks a lot. OrangeKnight ( talk) 19:58, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
I've looked at a few articles on the
laws of cricket, and they are strikingly deficient in cites. - "
Wikipedia:Verifiability is one of Wikipedia's core content policies." "Wikipedia articles should use reliable, third-party, published sources." (
Wikipedia:Reliable sources) -- Please provide good cites for all assertions in all articles on Cricket. "Any material lacking a reliable source may be removed" (
Wikipedia:Verifiability#Burden_of_evidence).
(I will definitely not be adding these cites myself, nevertheless they do need to be added.) --
201.53.7.16 (
talk)
03:14, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
By which I mean oldest when he played a match, not oldest now. List of List A cricket records does not contain age-related sections, and it's perhaps not the most vital of information, but I'm curious: I wonder if anyone knows? I don't, but in the course of editing an article today I came across Johnny Lawrence of Somerset, who retired from first-class cricket in 1955, but who then played on for some years for Lincolnshire - in which cause he appeared in a 1966 Gillette Cup match ( scorecard) aged 55. That certainly beats Ray Illingworth, who was 51 when he finished after the 1983 season. Might there have been anyone else? Loganberry ( Talk) 16:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Looking at the English clubs list per the above topic, I was surprised that we have no articles at all for clubs in the Bradford League and so I scanned this article. It contains a list of famous players who have represented each of the clubs and I was astonished to read that the noTORYous Cecil Parkinson (of England, too) has played for Undercliffe!!!
It was of course Cec Parkin who played for Undercliffe. :-) BlackJack | talk page 05:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Category:Central Lancashire League cricket clubs is a bit of a mess after someone decided that all the clubs should be titled "C.C." per soccer convention instead of "Cricket Club" per WP:CRIC convention. He redirected 14 articles accordingly and of course the titles cannot now be moved back. The articles are: Ashton C.C., Clifton C.C., Crompton C.C., Heywood C.C., Middleton C.C., Milnrow C.C., Monton & Weaste C.C., Norden C.C., Oldham C.C., Radcliffe C.C., Royton C.C., Unsworth C.C., Walsden C.C. and Werneth C.C.. They need to be renamed as Ashton Cricket Club, etc.
I realise this should properly go to AfD or whatever but I can see a can of worms opening if we do that.
Could one of you with admin functionality please assist? Thanks. BlackJack | talk page 06:48, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I've nominated a couple of things for deletion. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prestwich Cricket Club and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 October 14 (re Category:Lancashire County League cricket clubs) for the discussions. BlackJack | talk page 08:09, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Am I the only person who is puzzled why a current squad section lists all players to have played in the last year? The England team page has Darren Pattinson and Matthew Hoggard as being in the current squad, and they simply aren't! If it's going to include all players from the last 12 months, the section should be titled "Players to have played in the last 12 months". If it's going to be titled "Current squad", it should include just that, the current squad and nobody else. Andrew nixon ( talk) 10:01, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Ten down, eight to go (though is there technically any need to cover Yorkshire? Does Yorkshire even have any redlinks left?)
I finished User:Bobo192/Leicestershire redlinks about ten minutes ago - if anyone feels like working on some redlinks. There seems to be a huge imbalance with Leicestershire when it comes to cricketers post-WW2 which are still redlinks and cricketers pre-WW2 - probably more so than with other teams.
If anyone fancies something to work on, there they are. I will create some later on today, time permitting. Bobo . 03:59, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Just finished Middlesex redlinks. Bobo . 20:40, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
It seems that people will insist on creating pages for their own little corner of planet earth (sigh) resulting in pages being created for any and every small cricket club and competition, when a single line on the village/town page would more than suffice. In a large number of cases these pages should be deleted as they fail to meet WP:NOTE.
The project page has guidelines for the creation/deletion of player bios, perhaps there should also be the same for clubs/competitions. -- bigissue ( talk) 12:53, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
User:Wjemather and I have gone through this list and just about halved it in length: it now makes a lot of redlinks, but at least these are the teams that can probably justify having a short article on them. Any help with reducing the redness would be welcome, but we're also slightly uncomfortable that we've perhaps done a small injustice to Yorkshire League cricket, most of which stands outside the ECB system but has historic notability at least, and quite possibly contemporary notability too. Thoughts, please. Johnlp ( talk) 07:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
BUMP! This was just about ready for archive so I've rescued it. I've added a section on clubs to WP:CRIN which I think reflects what we are saying above. Could those interested please read it and provide feedback or amend as necessary? We seem to be agreed about GB clubs but, as I've said on WP:CRIN, we need to take an individual view about each country's own grassroots structure. Which means that editors from other countries need to repeat the work done by User:Wjemather and User:Johnlp. BlackJack | talk page 05:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
With Australian clubs, there is a clear and historic hierarchy. My personal view is that clubs any lower than what is known as "grade" or "district" cricket are extremely unlikely to be notable. This would mean that only clubs who have competed in :
are suitable for inclusion. This seems reasonable to me as most of these clubs do not have an article as yet. Indeed none of the WA clubs are even at stub stage!. It boggles me that famous clubs like Melville, Subiaco-Floreat and Midland-Guildford do not have have articles. Given this it is unlikely that lower grade clubs will be notable, with perhaps some historic exceptions. But then again, I have been accused of deletionism in the past. Others' views? -- Mattinbgn\ talk 09:08, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Now updated, see WP:CRIN. Subiaco Marist Cricket Club plays in the women's equivalent to grade cricket, I think? -- Mattinbgn\ talk 10:35, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Featured article review/History of Test cricket from 1877 to 1883 has today been progressed from its review commentary to its FARC commentary stage. Please follow the link to add your views. BlackJack | talk page 16:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
The article for South African cricketer Frank Nicholson was originally created in early 2006, and mistakenly named as John Nicholson (cricketer). Since this clearly refers to the wrong individual, when I write an article about former Northamptonshire cricketer John Nicholson, how would people feel if I just overwrote the redirect? If anyone feels otherwise, please feel free to alter the link on the page below. Bobo . 20:03, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
I've just finished Northamptonshire redlinks. If there are any errors I have overlooked, please fix them as necessary. Bobo . 20:03, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Nottinghamshire redlinks. Bobo . 03:47, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Looking at Muralitharan's page I notice that there are navigation boxes for >=400 and >=700 test wickets. Looking at Tendulkar's page there is no equivalent for batters. Anyone able to produce one for, say, 10K test runs?-- Peter cohen ( talk) 08:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
I've been doing some housekeeping on the portal which was out of date re the FA and FL items it was displaying. I've removed five demoted items, most of which were a bit embarrassing to be on show as examples of our "best work". The display selection routines have only 10 out of 25 FA summaries available and there is only one FL on display out of 30. If anyone would like to help with increasing these, it would improve the portal by providing greater variety. BlackJack | talk page 07:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Sussex redlinks Bobo . 17:25, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Tendulkar is in the news. YellowMonkey ( click here to chose Australia's next top model!) 02:55, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Worcestershire redlinks - 17 down, one to go! Same disclaimer as always, if anyone finds any stupid errors, please fix. Bobo . 03:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I know we have a Category:Chennai cricketers, but it's a subcat of Category:Indian Premier League cricketers and seems to contain only IPL players. However, there isn't a Category:Madras cricketers. Where should I put someone like this John Stephenson who played for Madras before WW2? Loganberry ( Talk) 23:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
The quiz is three years old today. [3] Moondyne 09:37, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
A question for y'all. Where are we with notability status of female cricketers? Are all female cricketers who have appeared in a women's Test, One-day, or any other other first-class or List A match notable? Anyone link me up to a decision we may or may not have made somewhere along the line? I figure there can't be many articles on female cricketers lurking around and let's be honest, I can never have too many projects on the go at once! Bobo . 17:16, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Whilst checking for articles on Rev Steve / Steven Croft (soon to become Bishop of Sheffield) I found the above two articles. It looks like they are both about the same cricketer. I'm no Wiki expert, so I don't know how to flag them for merger if this is appropriate, but I guess you guys are best placed to check them. 217.205.240.129 ( talk) 21:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
At the top of this page, we have "Notable 20th and 21st century players and topics without an article", and also "Notable players and other topics without articles from the late 18th century and early 19th century cricket are identified at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/redlinks". So what about players from the late 19th century, who apparently aren't included in either of those? Could the latter list perhaps be redefined as "...from prior to the 20th century" to ensure that there isn't a gap? JH ( talk page) 09:36, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Once again, asking before I do anything stupid. While I haven't listed their players from the 1970s and before as of yet, how would y'all disambiguate D. Das (Assam, 1983-4) and D. Das (Assam, 1970-1)? D. Das (1970s Assam cricketer) and D. Das (1980s Assam cricketer) seem rather long-winded but seem to be the best solution I can come up with.
Feel free to fix yourself on User:Bobo192/Assam if you can come up with any better ideas. Bobo . 02:53, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
This is in the to-do list at the top of the talk page but it seems to need update. Any chance of it being re-run? BlackJack | talk page 13:59, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
I really think there can be more to this list, so I have FLRC'd it for now, to try and get a really good list going. Comments are welcome SGGH speak! 12:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Has anybody else read some of Mallett's books? If so what do you think of them in terms of accuracy. I thought that Mallett was a bit sloppy and spotted quite a few stats errors and the like. Also I noted that in his biog of Doug Walters, he keeps on referring to Walters' wife as "Carolyn" and then "Caroline". YellowMonkey ( click here to choose Australia's next top model) 06:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Please see the proposal to rename this article to disambiguate it from one about the little known rugger competition. The proposer had already made the move and then removed it back again over his redirect before coming to us with his proposal. BlackJack | talk page 15:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
As a supporter of both these sports, I have to agree that the correct action has been taken here. RU does have a county championship but cricket has THE County Championship. GeorgeWilliams ( talk) 09:33, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
A bit of POV pushing over there. I think it might be the old ghuy again. YellowMonkey ( click here to choose Australia's next top model) 04:57, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Would it be better to arrange articles in category listings so that they are sorted by date rather than by the default first character? It would mean inserting "|date" in all relevant category allocations so I suppose the constraint is it being worth the effort. It depends on how important the category listings actually are. -- GeorgeWilliams ( talk) 10:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Have I made a mistake by adding cricketers to this category and then creating it? Do they fall under an alternative name for a franchise, where these articles should be placed instead? If I have made a mistake, we could probably CSD C2 it. If I've inconvenienced things, I do apologize. Bobo . 10:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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It seems like only a few years since Durham became first-class and now they are top of the pile and deservedly so. But for the abysmal weather this year, I reckon they would have wrapped the title up in August as they are clearly the best team around.
But it doesn't change the line in the County Championship infobox about the most successful team of all time. Does it? Lancashire, Surrey and the rest? :-) BlackJack | talk page 20:57, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
The ICC now have a guide as to what counts as official cricket on their website here. It has a section on "Women's Competitive cricket" which is defined in similar terms to first-class/List A cricket, though it doesn't go completely into specifics. CricketArchive has recently begun to have wf and wa match classifications in addition to their current f/a classifications, (eg. here and here) so my question is, do you think we can claim notability for women in those matches? Could we get away with saying that someone like Catherine Smaill was notable? She has played for Scotland, but not in women's ODIs, though she has played in three matches classed as CricketArchive's women's equivalent of List A.
My first thought is yes we can, but would appreciate the thoughts of others. Andrew nixon ( talk) 19:04, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
I create 2010 ICC World Cricket League Division Five, it gets nominated for speedy deletion and, big surprise, someone not from WP:Cricket, and an American no less, actually removed the speedy deletion tag. A sign of changing times, or a one off? Andrew nixon ( talk) 21:41, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
For the first time in the three years that I've been on the site, I've decided to explore the GA/FA process. I've tentatively nominated History of cricket to 1725 at GA. As the page directions themselves suggest, it is more a case of getting some positive feedback about how to make the article more readable and more informative than a desire to capture a star rating.
I realise that this is quite a specialist area of cricket history but some of you do have knowledge of it (it includes the origins of cricket in America and India). So, if you would like to make any comments on the article's talk page, they will be welcome; and if one of you should wish to lead the GA review itself, then great.
I think it's only right that someone seeking a GA should be prepared to perform a review too so I've taken over Maria Sharapova. I don't know that much about tennis but she is definitely the best looking lass in the GA list at present! BlackJack | talk page 09:56, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
It looks ok, although the tone seems a bit lively at times. Also with the page ranges in the refs, make sure to put a ndash instead of using a hyphen. Some of the standalone sentences should be merged. YellowMonkey ( bananabucket) 07:32, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
A whole bunch of cricket clubs have been prodded at Category:Proposed deletion as of 1 October 2008. I am not qualified to assess their notability but think they should be reviewed by an interested editor. TerriersFan ( talk) 19:32, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Today is the first day I've ever been faster in wanting to write an article than Cricket Archive has been in updating its database - I desperately want to write an article on some S. Nowak, who makes his first-class debut today for Northerns in the South African Airwaves Three-Day Challenge, but no confirmation yet exists on the player's first name, nor does a page exist for him on Cricket Archive.
If anyone spots his full name before I do, please feel free to get there before me. Bobo . 10:33, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
No worries SGGH speak! 13:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
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I'm intrigued how the guy's managed 9 Tests while playing just 25 other FC matches ever. -- Dweller ( talk) 14:04, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Found this uncategorized article, thought that maybe someone here could find an appropriate category. If in fact this topic deserves an article of its own... / skagedal ... 12:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
An interesting series....Perhaps India have not chosen their best team. I think, if the batsmen play properly, which they don't really do anymore nowadays, all the Tests should be drawn...and Perhaps Australia should pick 8 batsmen. YellowMonkey ( click here to choose Australia's next top model) 03:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I am sure since you are interested very much in the Indians and living in Australia. What chances do you think the Australians have? Given their bowling attack is pretty slim especially spin, id be relying on the bat to make sure Australia dont lose. Ta 211.30.12.197 ( talk) 07:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I see our old friend Sydney Riot of 1879 has been given a C-class rating for both WP:CRIC and WP:AUS by someone who, presumably, belongs to the latter project. We have had this article in our A-class review section for many months and it has been left that if someone can be bothered to complete the inline citations, then it will be worth an A-class rating. But, as this has not been done, it should be reviewed against the B-class criteria.
However, the C-class rating raises an issue because we have not adopted it in WP:CRIC while WP:AUS is one of the minority of projects that have.
The question is, should we expand our assessment criteria to incorporate C-class, which is the equivalent of better quality Start-class? The advantage of C-class is that it would potentially reduce the Start-class group by hundreds of articles and I see that the WP v0.7 data posted above indicates we have nearly 8,000 articles in all. The disadvantage is that it is an extra layer of admin. For a description of the C-class criteria, see Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment.
Personally, I think C-class would be a useful staging post between Start-class and B-class. I'd be prepared to do the necessary to incorporate it into our assessment page. But it depends on what you all think? BlackJack | talk page 14:36, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Given that Allyn has done some work on this I'm loath to dismiss it but I think it needs to be a clearly defined standard. I've thought about this and I have a proposal based on the B-class criteria which are:
Anything that fails #1 is a stub: has to be. So, anything that passes #1 is a start and whether it is a strong start or a weak start depends on how many of the other five it passes. It has to pass all six for B-class. C-class must represent a sound start and I propose that anything passing all of criteria 1 to 4 inclusive should be a C. Even it passes 1-3 and 5, it is not a C; if it passes all of 1-5 it is still a C. My reasoning is that the vast majority of articles failing B-class review do so because they don't meet one of #5 or #6: and there really are loads of them. Owzat? BlackJack | talk page 07:54, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
I have conflicting information about Bennett, who made one first-class appearance for Worcestershire in 1946. His CricketArchive info doesn't have a date of death, while Cricinfo says he died in 2007. Cricinfo also mentions that he played rugby, and that led me to a passing mention in this Telegraph obituary of Tom Kemp. Yes, a redlink, as is Thomas Kemp. In fact, Category:English rugby union footballers contains no Kemps at all!
Anyway, I also turned up this brief mention on a rugby blog, which seems to be about the same person. The information in message 8 there says that Bennett "won seven caps in 1947 - 48", and also mentions Epsom College and St Mary's Hospital, both of which are mentioned in the Cricinfo bio. So, it would seem to be the same man... except that the blog - dated 2005 - mentions that a memorial service is about to be held, which would mean that Cricinfo's 2007 date would be wrong; and also says that Bennett played for Hampshire, which "my" Bennett never did. Any suggestions? Loganberry ( Talk) 20:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Ahmm..Can you guys do some cleanup work and expansion on the article Saurav Ganguly? Currently it is rated START class. He going to retire.. So..Many people might read this article.. Soo. Its shameful to see this article in such a state. So.. I hope you'll do something.-- Abhishek Jacob ( talk) 16:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
A new user has added this fans forum site as an online link. I think I've seen a rule about this sort of site somewhere but can't remember where. Does anyone know if they are allowed or do they constitute advertising or whatever? BlackJack | talk page 20:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
I just created this page, for the semi-annual season starting in April 2009. It was immediately tagged for speedy deletion. If you have an opinion whether it should be deleted or not, please express it on the article's talk page, in the section headlined "speedy deletion". Thanks.-- Nitsansh ( talk) 08:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
This category seems to me to define it as allowing recreational drugs. I think that it should be redefined if necessary to exllude Fleming and Nash etc, because they smoked pot, and it's a bit harsh to include that with steroids, EPO, HGH etc.... YellowMonkey ( click here to choose Australia's next top model) 03:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I thought I had already done this, but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to let you guys know - I've made lists of first-class cricketers from - as of this moment - six different English County cricket teams, Derbyshire, Durham, Essex, Glamorgan, Gloucestershire and Kent (wikilinks are piped to my user subpages), which may or may not assist people in creating articles for county cricketers. Most notable are the redlinks for Gloucestershire - if only because clearly I blinked and missed the moment when Cricket Archive finally put up a Gloucestershire subsection on their site.
If anyone wants to start working on relatively prosey articles for these, I would be most appreciative - particularly, for example, as we are only 11 cricketers away from having an article about every Durham first-class player.
Thank you everyone. Bobo . 04:19, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
I left a comment about possible minor mistakes on the Don's article talk page a few weeks ago... Nobody seems to be interested in it, so I post this message to ask for a review... I know that I sould be BOLD, but I don't want to downgrade the quality of this article with my far-from-perfect English... Thanks a lot. OrangeKnight ( talk) 19:58, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
I've looked at a few articles on the
laws of cricket, and they are strikingly deficient in cites. - "
Wikipedia:Verifiability is one of Wikipedia's core content policies." "Wikipedia articles should use reliable, third-party, published sources." (
Wikipedia:Reliable sources) -- Please provide good cites for all assertions in all articles on Cricket. "Any material lacking a reliable source may be removed" (
Wikipedia:Verifiability#Burden_of_evidence).
(I will definitely not be adding these cites myself, nevertheless they do need to be added.) --
201.53.7.16 (
talk)
03:14, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
By which I mean oldest when he played a match, not oldest now. List of List A cricket records does not contain age-related sections, and it's perhaps not the most vital of information, but I'm curious: I wonder if anyone knows? I don't, but in the course of editing an article today I came across Johnny Lawrence of Somerset, who retired from first-class cricket in 1955, but who then played on for some years for Lincolnshire - in which cause he appeared in a 1966 Gillette Cup match ( scorecard) aged 55. That certainly beats Ray Illingworth, who was 51 when he finished after the 1983 season. Might there have been anyone else? Loganberry ( Talk) 16:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Looking at the English clubs list per the above topic, I was surprised that we have no articles at all for clubs in the Bradford League and so I scanned this article. It contains a list of famous players who have represented each of the clubs and I was astonished to read that the noTORYous Cecil Parkinson (of England, too) has played for Undercliffe!!!
It was of course Cec Parkin who played for Undercliffe. :-) BlackJack | talk page 05:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Category:Central Lancashire League cricket clubs is a bit of a mess after someone decided that all the clubs should be titled "C.C." per soccer convention instead of "Cricket Club" per WP:CRIC convention. He redirected 14 articles accordingly and of course the titles cannot now be moved back. The articles are: Ashton C.C., Clifton C.C., Crompton C.C., Heywood C.C., Middleton C.C., Milnrow C.C., Monton & Weaste C.C., Norden C.C., Oldham C.C., Radcliffe C.C., Royton C.C., Unsworth C.C., Walsden C.C. and Werneth C.C.. They need to be renamed as Ashton Cricket Club, etc.
I realise this should properly go to AfD or whatever but I can see a can of worms opening if we do that.
Could one of you with admin functionality please assist? Thanks. BlackJack | talk page 06:48, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I've nominated a couple of things for deletion. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prestwich Cricket Club and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 October 14 (re Category:Lancashire County League cricket clubs) for the discussions. BlackJack | talk page 08:09, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Am I the only person who is puzzled why a current squad section lists all players to have played in the last year? The England team page has Darren Pattinson and Matthew Hoggard as being in the current squad, and they simply aren't! If it's going to include all players from the last 12 months, the section should be titled "Players to have played in the last 12 months". If it's going to be titled "Current squad", it should include just that, the current squad and nobody else. Andrew nixon ( talk) 10:01, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Ten down, eight to go (though is there technically any need to cover Yorkshire? Does Yorkshire even have any redlinks left?)
I finished User:Bobo192/Leicestershire redlinks about ten minutes ago - if anyone feels like working on some redlinks. There seems to be a huge imbalance with Leicestershire when it comes to cricketers post-WW2 which are still redlinks and cricketers pre-WW2 - probably more so than with other teams.
If anyone fancies something to work on, there they are. I will create some later on today, time permitting. Bobo . 03:59, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Just finished Middlesex redlinks. Bobo . 20:40, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
It seems that people will insist on creating pages for their own little corner of planet earth (sigh) resulting in pages being created for any and every small cricket club and competition, when a single line on the village/town page would more than suffice. In a large number of cases these pages should be deleted as they fail to meet WP:NOTE.
The project page has guidelines for the creation/deletion of player bios, perhaps there should also be the same for clubs/competitions. -- bigissue ( talk) 12:53, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
User:Wjemather and I have gone through this list and just about halved it in length: it now makes a lot of redlinks, but at least these are the teams that can probably justify having a short article on them. Any help with reducing the redness would be welcome, but we're also slightly uncomfortable that we've perhaps done a small injustice to Yorkshire League cricket, most of which stands outside the ECB system but has historic notability at least, and quite possibly contemporary notability too. Thoughts, please. Johnlp ( talk) 07:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
BUMP! This was just about ready for archive so I've rescued it. I've added a section on clubs to WP:CRIN which I think reflects what we are saying above. Could those interested please read it and provide feedback or amend as necessary? We seem to be agreed about GB clubs but, as I've said on WP:CRIN, we need to take an individual view about each country's own grassroots structure. Which means that editors from other countries need to repeat the work done by User:Wjemather and User:Johnlp. BlackJack | talk page 05:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
With Australian clubs, there is a clear and historic hierarchy. My personal view is that clubs any lower than what is known as "grade" or "district" cricket are extremely unlikely to be notable. This would mean that only clubs who have competed in :
are suitable for inclusion. This seems reasonable to me as most of these clubs do not have an article as yet. Indeed none of the WA clubs are even at stub stage!. It boggles me that famous clubs like Melville, Subiaco-Floreat and Midland-Guildford do not have have articles. Given this it is unlikely that lower grade clubs will be notable, with perhaps some historic exceptions. But then again, I have been accused of deletionism in the past. Others' views? -- Mattinbgn\ talk 09:08, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Now updated, see WP:CRIN. Subiaco Marist Cricket Club plays in the women's equivalent to grade cricket, I think? -- Mattinbgn\ talk 10:35, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Featured article review/History of Test cricket from 1877 to 1883 has today been progressed from its review commentary to its FARC commentary stage. Please follow the link to add your views. BlackJack | talk page 16:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
The article for South African cricketer Frank Nicholson was originally created in early 2006, and mistakenly named as John Nicholson (cricketer). Since this clearly refers to the wrong individual, when I write an article about former Northamptonshire cricketer John Nicholson, how would people feel if I just overwrote the redirect? If anyone feels otherwise, please feel free to alter the link on the page below. Bobo . 20:03, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
I've just finished Northamptonshire redlinks. If there are any errors I have overlooked, please fix them as necessary. Bobo . 20:03, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Nottinghamshire redlinks. Bobo . 03:47, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Looking at Muralitharan's page I notice that there are navigation boxes for >=400 and >=700 test wickets. Looking at Tendulkar's page there is no equivalent for batters. Anyone able to produce one for, say, 10K test runs?-- Peter cohen ( talk) 08:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
I've been doing some housekeeping on the portal which was out of date re the FA and FL items it was displaying. I've removed five demoted items, most of which were a bit embarrassing to be on show as examples of our "best work". The display selection routines have only 10 out of 25 FA summaries available and there is only one FL on display out of 30. If anyone would like to help with increasing these, it would improve the portal by providing greater variety. BlackJack | talk page 07:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Sussex redlinks Bobo . 17:25, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Tendulkar is in the news. YellowMonkey ( click here to chose Australia's next top model!) 02:55, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Worcestershire redlinks - 17 down, one to go! Same disclaimer as always, if anyone finds any stupid errors, please fix. Bobo . 03:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I know we have a Category:Chennai cricketers, but it's a subcat of Category:Indian Premier League cricketers and seems to contain only IPL players. However, there isn't a Category:Madras cricketers. Where should I put someone like this John Stephenson who played for Madras before WW2? Loganberry ( Talk) 23:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
The quiz is three years old today. [3] Moondyne 09:37, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
A question for y'all. Where are we with notability status of female cricketers? Are all female cricketers who have appeared in a women's Test, One-day, or any other other first-class or List A match notable? Anyone link me up to a decision we may or may not have made somewhere along the line? I figure there can't be many articles on female cricketers lurking around and let's be honest, I can never have too many projects on the go at once! Bobo . 17:16, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Whilst checking for articles on Rev Steve / Steven Croft (soon to become Bishop of Sheffield) I found the above two articles. It looks like they are both about the same cricketer. I'm no Wiki expert, so I don't know how to flag them for merger if this is appropriate, but I guess you guys are best placed to check them. 217.205.240.129 ( talk) 21:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
At the top of this page, we have "Notable 20th and 21st century players and topics without an article", and also "Notable players and other topics without articles from the late 18th century and early 19th century cricket are identified at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/redlinks". So what about players from the late 19th century, who apparently aren't included in either of those? Could the latter list perhaps be redefined as "...from prior to the 20th century" to ensure that there isn't a gap? JH ( talk page) 09:36, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Once again, asking before I do anything stupid. While I haven't listed their players from the 1970s and before as of yet, how would y'all disambiguate D. Das (Assam, 1983-4) and D. Das (Assam, 1970-1)? D. Das (1970s Assam cricketer) and D. Das (1980s Assam cricketer) seem rather long-winded but seem to be the best solution I can come up with.
Feel free to fix yourself on User:Bobo192/Assam if you can come up with any better ideas. Bobo . 02:53, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
This is in the to-do list at the top of the talk page but it seems to need update. Any chance of it being re-run? BlackJack | talk page 13:59, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
I really think there can be more to this list, so I have FLRC'd it for now, to try and get a really good list going. Comments are welcome SGGH speak! 12:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Has anybody else read some of Mallett's books? If so what do you think of them in terms of accuracy. I thought that Mallett was a bit sloppy and spotted quite a few stats errors and the like. Also I noted that in his biog of Doug Walters, he keeps on referring to Walters' wife as "Carolyn" and then "Caroline". YellowMonkey ( click here to choose Australia's next top model) 06:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Please see the proposal to rename this article to disambiguate it from one about the little known rugger competition. The proposer had already made the move and then removed it back again over his redirect before coming to us with his proposal. BlackJack | talk page 15:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
As a supporter of both these sports, I have to agree that the correct action has been taken here. RU does have a county championship but cricket has THE County Championship. GeorgeWilliams ( talk) 09:33, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
A bit of POV pushing over there. I think it might be the old ghuy again. YellowMonkey ( click here to choose Australia's next top model) 04:57, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Would it be better to arrange articles in category listings so that they are sorted by date rather than by the default first character? It would mean inserting "|date" in all relevant category allocations so I suppose the constraint is it being worth the effort. It depends on how important the category listings actually are. -- GeorgeWilliams ( talk) 10:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Have I made a mistake by adding cricketers to this category and then creating it? Do they fall under an alternative name for a franchise, where these articles should be placed instead? If I have made a mistake, we could probably CSD C2 it. If I've inconvenienced things, I do apologize. Bobo . 10:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)