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There has been some renaming recently. Any thoughts on where we should go with these characters' articles? I've only wikified the current title for the character's entry: Jamie Reyes / Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) / Blue Beetle (Modern Age)? Alan Scott / Green Lantern (Alan Scott) / Green Lantern (Golden Age)? Jay Garrick / Flash (Jay Garrick) / Flash (Golden Age)? Ted Kord / / Blue Beetle (Ted Kord) / Blue Beetle (Silver Age)? Michael Holt / Mister Terrific (Michael Holt) / Mister Terrific (modern)? -- Chris Griswold 07:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Overall I think words like Golden Age, Silver Age and Modern Age are not specific enough. As I pointed out with Jay Garrick, he's had more appearances and been more active since the end of the Golden Age than during. And what exactly is "the Modern Age?" Is it different from the Bronze Age? The Dark Age? The Diamond Age? As noted here, it's not clear. I prefer the trend towards "real names" being used for the character's article when there's more than one character with that code name. CovenantD 17:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
You raise very good points. We are talking about revamping the entire Naming Conventions for Comics, so I'm interested to find out what others think. CovenantD 21:14, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I've posed a question on that talk page about setting up tables for members and ordering them chronologically, but haven't gotten a response. Somebody did a good job of adding given names and I want to expand on that. I thought I'd bring it up here because it touches on how membership lists should be ordered, by date or alphabetically. Are there guidelines for this? CovenantD 20:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Could members from this project just take a decision as to whatthey want done with this template? I closed the nomination as improper, but it is left unused as of now. Circeus 03:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Once again I bring the issue on alternate reality info in the SHB. User 69.60.189.202 ( talk · contribs) has recently made several edits regarding the Justice Leagues storyline. If we begin including these kind of info, this is going to be a mess. — Lesfer (talk/ @) 22:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Should the Terra page be modified so it reads as one Terra? It was pretty much confirmed the second Terra was the original one. -- DrBat 23:29, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm prodding this article about a comic because notability isn't clearly established. I'm also not sure if it is a webcomic or paper comic. Described as a "cult classic" in the article. To me that says it is only significant in a small niche, and I can't size the niche. GRBerry 20:53, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I just came across Super-Soldier, and I am kind of surprised that it exists. Parts of the article are from an in-world perspective, with regard to comicbooks fitionally published by the fictitious publisher Amalgam Comics. These characters are just derivatives of existing DC and Marvel characters who make maybe a handful of appearances, and they really ought to be merged into the applicable sections of those articles (cross-overs, alternate versions) where appropriate. -- Chris Griswold 02:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
As part of a noteworthy historical comics crossover event as Amalgam Comics was, Super-Soldier certainly deserves a mention in Wikipedia. Certainly, there's more relevance (and material) on this character than there is on actual but more obscure comics characters that are already included in Wikipedia. Whether he deserves his own entry is debatable, though, and certainly writing an article as if he had been an actual historical comics character is misleading. Wilfredo Martinez 01:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I'd agree he deserves mention, but an whole article of such length seems a bit much for a character that only existed as alternative versions of two others, and doesn't exist anywhere outside of the Amalgam Comics reality, which doesn't exist anymore in comics continuity as far as I know. Gamesmaster 16:38, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm thinking List of Amalgam characters is long overdue. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 17:15, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Just been checking through the list of requested articles and I came across something called "superpowers comparison." I'm not 100% sure what it wants. Does it want comparisons of superpowers themselves, or of the heroes who have them? Should it be anything more than a list of superpowers, and if so, is it really required, given that we already have one of those? It sounds a bit non-encylopedia, more like the sort of poll you'd get on a fansite rather than on Wikipedia. Thought I should open this up for discussion before I try to do anything with it. Gamesmaster 11:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I have noticed three naming trends in a multitude of entries that give me pause:
Thoughts? -- Chris Griswold 08:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I say, if a specific issue can be cited to establish a middle name, then it should go in. If there is an explicit contradiction among writers/issues that can be cited, then the "sometimes" format can be used, as in (sometimes given as...), which I've seen people use with the Intro's first line on WP. Nightscream 02:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I would like to bring to your attention the nomination of Batman for FARC. Please leave your comments or try to improve the article to avoid defeaturing it. Joelito ( talk) 14:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I've created an article for longtime DC artist Howard Purcell — who drew the cover of the Golden Age Green Lantern #1, co-created Sargon the Sorcerer, DC's Enchantress and other characters, and whose work appears on the cover of the just-release All Star Archives Vol. 0 — yet I might have reached a dead end. I'm finding little material on him online or in the print sources I've had a chance to consult so far.
I can't even find his birth and presumed death dates (which is a sad truth of many of the old professionals who died before the current mainstream interest in comics; see George Klein (comics)). I also can't track down so far if he's any relation to present-day artist Gordon Purcell.
If anyone has any source material on Howard Purcell, it'd be great to flesh out the article with some additional biographics basics of his life, education, and career. Thanks! -- Tenebrae 19:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I have archived articles up until three weeks ago.-- Chris Griswold 21:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I move that we fold the animated versions of DC's characters into the character's main article. There is no reason we need separate entries for these derivatives. Current disputes can be seen at Talk:Power Girl and Talk:Animated Series Batman. Previously, Hawkgirl (animated).-- Chris Griswold 21:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Some characters, despite surface similaries, were created for the animated series (see Galatea (Justice League Unlimited) and should have their own article. Most others are just slight variations of the comics characters. These should be incorporated into the characters entries (Main page, Other media, Cultural references, etc.). I think a blanket policy is incorrect in this instance. CovenantD 15:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
IMHO, the only reason an animated version should get their own article is when it's a part of their own show (ie, versions of Batman can be discussed at whatever length is neccisary on the article of his animated series). -- InShaneee 00:30, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
For his time-consuming volunteer efforts organizing WikiProject Comics, his lending a helping hand to many newbies and others, and his efforts on the entire history of comics and not just what's popular now, I've nominated Hiding for a Wikihalo award. Please see details and give your comments here. I have notified the nominee. -- Tenebrae 13:27, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Newest category I'd suggest for deletion: "Category:Fictional eyepatch wearers|Fury, Nick" -- Tenebrae 15:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
There's been another round of edit wars over these, over what makes a good pic, etc. Here's what I suggest makes a good SHB picture:
Thoughts? - SoM 21:53, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Speaking of which, can someone do something about the image on Two-Face? It isn't very representative at all. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 04:04, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Is it ok that I gave the character Demona a SHB box? She isn't really a comicbook character, though the series' creator Greg Weisman is continuing the Gargoyles continuity in a comicbook series this summer. -- DrBat 23:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Facto is trying to delete my images, saying "Since interior pages are actually the content being sold, they have to be used sparingly." Is this true, and is this a valid enough reason to delete images? -- DrBat 23:50, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Who wants to work with me on putting together a complete stylebook for this Wikiproject? I want to address grammar and writing errors primarily seen in the comics articles, proper image selection, the use of the SHB, the format of the articles, and general guidelines/policies. This would incorporate existing guidelines, as well as information culled from this talk page's archives. -- Chris Griswold 00:38, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I expanded The Raft (comics) as much as I could from the sources I had at hand (namely New Avengers #1-3). I noticed that there may also be references in Spider-Man: Breakout but I don't have that. Without a template to guide me, I just added "Background" and "Security features" sections and cleaned up the lead. I took out the reference to Daredevil as he's an inmate on Ryker's Island not The Raft. Any more additions are welcome. -- Newt 01:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
The anon-user 69.183.73.241 removed all references of Mystique and Destiny being lovers (this has been confirmed in the comics, btw. It isn't something ambiguous). Would someone mind restoring what he deleted? -- DrBat 00:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Not that I don't believe it (I know Claremont intended it that way, he has said so) but could you provide a reference to an issue where it is confirmed they were lovers? For verification. Wilfredo Martinez 05:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I've updated the collab to Maus, please improve the article! -- Jamdav86 09:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
1. Ive been adding dates to some articles which refer to specific comic issues; for instance adding (December, 1979) after a reference to Adventure Comics #466. However, given that the cover dates on comics are very inaccurate as publishing dates and really are only supposed to function as "best before" dates, how useful is this information? I think its particuliarly problematic when the cover dates are given in the context that a series was published between certain times, for instance " America vs. The Justice Society was released between January and April 1985" (which incidentally is my own work). Obviously its very difficult to extrapolate actual on sale dates from the cover date given that the gap between the two has shifted over the years but what should we do? should every reference to these dates contain the proviso "cover date"? or has this issue already been resolved somewhere?
2.I noticed earlier today that the infoboxes for individual films have a link at the end to the IMDB.com page on each flick. Given that the Grand Comic Book Database serves a similar function for comics as the IMDB does for film would it be a good idea to create such a link at the end of the Comics Book Title infobox template? I think so, but I have no clue about how you would go about doing it. Hueysheridan 22:25, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Would someone please take some time to talk to Brian Boru is awesome ( talk · contribs)? Take a look at his recent edits. — Lesfer (talk/ @) 22:03, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
There's a slew of categories like category:cartoonists, category:comics artists, category:comics creators, category:comics writers, category:graphic novelists and then all of the variants by nationality... I think the project page should start look into the possibility of cleaning this up by possibly merging redundant categories and then issuing some rough guidelines as to how the classification should be done. Pascal.Tesson 23:24, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
FYI: Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2006/June#.7B.7BComics-writer-stub.7D.7D .26 .7B.7BComics-artist-stub.7D.7D - SoM 23:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Note that some Jewish fictional characters are classed as supervillains rather than superheroes, notably Magneto of the X-Men series, and are therefore not categorized here.
Hasn't Magneto been portrayed as a superhero in the past? Even though he may no longer be one (though he has yet to be portrayed villainously since Excalibur), the category should still apply to him.
Not to mention that the Jewish supervillain category, with Mags and Harley Quinn being the only entries, should probably be deleted unless someone can think of other Jewish supervillains.-- DrBat 01:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
What should we follow when concerning characters as Flash, Ray, Atom, Question, Joker, Spectre, Batman and so on? Are we supposed to use articles ("The") before their names? — Lesfer (talk/ @) 23:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Why is two-thirds of the Chuck Austen weasel words about his run on Ultimate X-Men and New X-Men? - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 02:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Throughout all of the articles I've seen, I keep seeing different styles for listing whoever drew a piece of art, where it's from and when it's from. Y'all need a style convention for these captions so that all of them list things the same way. These are hypothetical examples:
Can we propose some sort of convention. For example...?
I leave it up to a consensus to decide what to use, but from my POV, I did like the more formal/specific designation of "pencils" being used as a credit rather than "art" or "artist" and think that should stay no matter what. I also think the "pencils" credit should always be a seperate sentence after the description of the picture, and not joined to the description by a comma. Anybody that can point to broad Wiki conventions to assist in this would be appreciated. I just see that a lot of work has been done to improve the art captions in WikiProject Comics, yet there's no convention in place. - Liontamer 02:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
-- Tenebrae 16:01, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Please address the usage of commas at Talk: Jason Todd. This shouldn't need mediation; consensus should be able to work out the problem. -- Chris Griswold 02:23, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I have noticed some comic book titles synopses are very descriptive of the entire content of a comic book. In particular, Runaways (comics) (story arcs), Araña, List of Ultimates story arcs could stand to be trimmed a bit, and some of the Runaways arcs are as detailed as The Catcher in the Rye synopsis. My question is how much content should we write about before the synopses becomes a substitute for reading the comic? -- Pc13 07:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Re: Runways - Again?! - SoM 13:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok, to start, Pc13 isn't exactly a comic lover (as seen with his comments here), Story arc/Plot synopsis are keep seperated from their related pages for several reasons, the top ones being that:
Plus it keeps the fanboys happy, and they can be damn annoying. Think of it as a nessisary evil. I'm not saying some of those pages don't need to be trimmed a bit, but to get rid of them is excessive. JQF 16:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Is there anyway to be notified of AfD or merger disputes concerning articles in this WikiProject? If not, is there some way we could do this? I feel that sometimes votes come to nothing because editors don't realize they are happening, or they go a direcion they might not were there more editors involved. -- Chris Griswold 18:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
The WikiProject Comics Notice Board is a page for editors to list of deletion and merger votes, requests for peer evaluation, and dispute mediation, among other subjects of interest to editors in the Comics WikiProject. -- Chris Griswold 04:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Can someone come and check out the Batsuit article? Ghetteaux and I are having a *ahem* pissing match (yes I was bad too) about Batman's costume. I feel that his additions are not adding to the value of the article. He's accusing me of being biased (possibly). I mostly object to the underoos addition (which I don't feel contributes positivly to a well written article and the following addition, which I feel is overkill and bordering on a peculiar fascination with Batman's crotch.:
; both Superman and Batman are consistently depicted with skimpy, speedo-type groin coverings hugging, defining, and displaying the genital region, worn over skintight, sheer, opaque catsuits.
Any help is appreciated -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 18:17, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I need some help with the Eternals entry. Earlier today I deleted a large history section that was completely lifted from the Marvel Directory website [2] User:Dr Archeville has replaced the section with a new history section which is almost exactly the same as before, though a few words and phrases are changed or mixed around in each sentence. Now the two text are not identical, but each paragraph conveys the exact same information in much the same manner and many phrases are repeated from the Directory entry. Is this plagiarism\copyvio or has it been rewritten sufficiently to qualify as fair use? some help please Hueysheridan 22:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Makes sense... though, wouldn't any entry on a fictional character be, by it's very nature, focusing on fictional events? And, getting back to the root topic (the Eternals), just what can be said about their History and Abilities/Powers, given that (it seems to me, at least) the only readily-available sources are the OHttMU entries, and sites that copy them like the MarvelDirectory? Dr Archeville 21:41, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
We have Earth-98, Earth-295 aka Age of Apocalypse, Earth-1121, Earth-120185, Earth-1610 aka Ultimate Marvel, Earth-2122, Earth-295, Earth-31916 aka Supremeverse, Earth-712, Earth-717, Earth-721 aka Earth-A, Earth-98125, Earth-691, and Earth-616. Instead of giving these separate articles, wouldn't we be better served with a List of Marvel dimensions rather than giving very obscure dimensions their own articles? I recognize that some of these are viable articles (like Earth-616 which explains why the designation of "616") Are these designations okay (read: fair use) to use on their own, since they're only reported in the Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe: Alternate Worlds 2005. -- Newt ΨΦ 00:14, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
This seems to be very widely included (something like 3500 talk pages), and is rather frequently edited. I'm concerned that there could well be a server load issue. Indeed, many templates with similar numbers of inclusions (or indeed fewer) are actually protected for that reason. I'd like to suggest replacing this with a notice and link on talk pages generally, and only including the actually-updated task template on a small number of pages (wikiproject ones, most obviously). Alai 02:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Would you please take a look at Alan Scott's talk page? — Lesfer (talk/ @) 05:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
The problem is there's no obvious place to move it to - the "Silver Age" disambig is both imprecise and inaccurate - pretty much all the sources I've seen have the Silver Age ending before 1974 (Kirby leaving Marvel - in part, to do THIS title; and Gwen Stacy's death seem to be the two most commonly quoted), so pushing this as Silver Age is POV at best even for its start date never mind the appearances in Infinity Inc and The Sandman (DC Comics/Vertigo).
Problem is, as I say, I don't see where to move it to. (comics) and (DC Comics) are out because of multiple characters/titles, he doesn't have a settled civilian ID (2 actual and one retconned-out) and Simon/Kirby had already reinvented the Dodds Sandman to the point of making him a different character in the 1940s.
Any suggestions? - SoM 09:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Should the two share the same article? The characters are closely connnected, and most of the information is repeated in both of the articles. -- DrBat 18:06, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Should the issues of 52 be numbered like 52 #1 or 52 Week One?-- DrBat 19:22, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Take a look at the Notice Board to see the stubs that Dr. Archeville is continuing to create as he works his way through marvunapp.com. -- Chris Griswold 19:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Template:Supersupportingbox isn't showing relatives. I'm guessing it's from the errant comment marks in this section, but as I'm NOT any good with if statements on wikipedia, I'm sketchy -
I have fixed this (through some experimentation). I had also fixed the "Supporting character of" section previously. This one just took me longer to figure out, particularly since I'm no template expert. You were almost correct with your solution. What actually needed to happen was for that first <!-- to be enclosed with a -->. -- GentlemanGhost 10:54, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
A large chunk of the text for Drax the Destroyer seems to have been copied from the unofficial Marvel Comics wiki http://www.marveldatabase.com. Assuming that the time stamps are accurate, their version predates ours by a few months. Like Wikipedia, they also use the GNU FDL to allow others to republish their work. However, if I read things correctly, there needs to be an indication that the information comes from the Marvel Database site (which there is not). While I suppose that we could use this information if we properly credit the source, it just seems wrong to me. It feels to me like we're "stealing", for lack of a better term, from a competing Wiki. However, it looks like the editor that copied this information, Rjpimp ( talk • contribs), is also an editor on that site under the same username. Does that make it OK? What are your thoughts on this? -- GentlemanGhost 11:29, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't worry too much about this. It's actual copyrights that we need to watch out for. People who write stuff under GNU rules have to be aware that their stuff could be used by strangers at any time (I've certainly seen stuff from Wikipedia in several other Wikis.) Out of cortesy, we should contact Rjpimp and inform him of this, if that's possible. In any case, let's throw in a reference that Marvel Database was the original source to cover our hides. The article needs a few edits, anyway, so eventually it won't replicate the original exactly. Wilfredo Martinez 13:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
All four of these articles contain summaries of each individual issue. Not only do I think the fair use for doing this is questionable, but it looks really sloppy and would benefit if someone condensed the summaries. -- DrBat 19:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I've made Superman & Batman: Generations I and Superman & Batman: Generations II redirects to Superman & Batman: Generations, and explained my reasoning on their talk pages, Talk:Superman & Batman: Generations I and Talk:Superman & Batman: Generations II. Comments on those redirections would be appreciated in order to build a consensus. Hiding Talk 21:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
There is this user:Thanos2099 that is violating NPOV with his edits. Several other editor and I have already reverted his edits, but he still won't listen. If I could get some help from the admins and the senior members it would be appricated. Something needs to be done about this user. T-1000 17:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Moon Knight is a good example of what can and should be included, because of the sources. Namor, Black Adam, and Sentry are all examples of what should NOT be tolerated. Find a source, include it. Don't have a source, leave out the entire section. CovenantD 14:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok... anyone think this is a good idea? -- DrBat 21:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Because my neutrality in regards to this article, and my attempts to maintain it have been questioned by other contributors to the page, i'd like to have it reviewed for neutrality and accuracy by a panel of at least three impartial members of Wikiproject Comics. -- Basique 18:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I've created the {{issue}} template that functions as an in-line request for the specific citation of an issue of a comic book or magazine.
It looks like volume & issue needed.
The suggestion has come up that perhaps Wikipedia might benefit from a Ethnic Stereotypes in Comic Books article. I was forwarded to this project and talk page by User:CovenantD. I'm not terribly experienced with Wikipedia, but I have done some research on Asian/Asian American stereotypes in comic books. I'm interested in working with some other interested parties in developing this article, especially with the hope that more heads working together can help maintain as objective a point of view as possible on this potentially contentious subject. I've put in some very small filler content at the moment. Anyone interested (especially people who know what they're doing with Wikipedia)? If so, please continue to the Ethnic Stereotypes in Comic Books talk page -- Jfang86 03:05, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
This is definitely a comics-related subject that deserves to be mentioned here, it is of significant importance in the growth of the industry and its reflection of social changes. I recommend however that as many citations as possible discussing the subject be included, to avoid the article being accused of "original thought." - Wilfredo Martinez 12:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm impressed with the amount of information that this article included in it's first draft. Now that's research! :-) CovenantD 14:28, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
So, by WP:NC, which one is correct? Please, check talk page. — Lesfer (talk/ @) 14:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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There has been some renaming recently. Any thoughts on where we should go with these characters' articles? I've only wikified the current title for the character's entry: Jamie Reyes / Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) / Blue Beetle (Modern Age)? Alan Scott / Green Lantern (Alan Scott) / Green Lantern (Golden Age)? Jay Garrick / Flash (Jay Garrick) / Flash (Golden Age)? Ted Kord / / Blue Beetle (Ted Kord) / Blue Beetle (Silver Age)? Michael Holt / Mister Terrific (Michael Holt) / Mister Terrific (modern)? -- Chris Griswold 07:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Overall I think words like Golden Age, Silver Age and Modern Age are not specific enough. As I pointed out with Jay Garrick, he's had more appearances and been more active since the end of the Golden Age than during. And what exactly is "the Modern Age?" Is it different from the Bronze Age? The Dark Age? The Diamond Age? As noted here, it's not clear. I prefer the trend towards "real names" being used for the character's article when there's more than one character with that code name. CovenantD 17:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
You raise very good points. We are talking about revamping the entire Naming Conventions for Comics, so I'm interested to find out what others think. CovenantD 21:14, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I've posed a question on that talk page about setting up tables for members and ordering them chronologically, but haven't gotten a response. Somebody did a good job of adding given names and I want to expand on that. I thought I'd bring it up here because it touches on how membership lists should be ordered, by date or alphabetically. Are there guidelines for this? CovenantD 20:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Could members from this project just take a decision as to whatthey want done with this template? I closed the nomination as improper, but it is left unused as of now. Circeus 03:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Once again I bring the issue on alternate reality info in the SHB. User 69.60.189.202 ( talk · contribs) has recently made several edits regarding the Justice Leagues storyline. If we begin including these kind of info, this is going to be a mess. — Lesfer (talk/ @) 22:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Should the Terra page be modified so it reads as one Terra? It was pretty much confirmed the second Terra was the original one. -- DrBat 23:29, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm prodding this article about a comic because notability isn't clearly established. I'm also not sure if it is a webcomic or paper comic. Described as a "cult classic" in the article. To me that says it is only significant in a small niche, and I can't size the niche. GRBerry 20:53, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I just came across Super-Soldier, and I am kind of surprised that it exists. Parts of the article are from an in-world perspective, with regard to comicbooks fitionally published by the fictitious publisher Amalgam Comics. These characters are just derivatives of existing DC and Marvel characters who make maybe a handful of appearances, and they really ought to be merged into the applicable sections of those articles (cross-overs, alternate versions) where appropriate. -- Chris Griswold 02:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
As part of a noteworthy historical comics crossover event as Amalgam Comics was, Super-Soldier certainly deserves a mention in Wikipedia. Certainly, there's more relevance (and material) on this character than there is on actual but more obscure comics characters that are already included in Wikipedia. Whether he deserves his own entry is debatable, though, and certainly writing an article as if he had been an actual historical comics character is misleading. Wilfredo Martinez 01:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I'd agree he deserves mention, but an whole article of such length seems a bit much for a character that only existed as alternative versions of two others, and doesn't exist anywhere outside of the Amalgam Comics reality, which doesn't exist anymore in comics continuity as far as I know. Gamesmaster 16:38, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm thinking List of Amalgam characters is long overdue. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 17:15, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Just been checking through the list of requested articles and I came across something called "superpowers comparison." I'm not 100% sure what it wants. Does it want comparisons of superpowers themselves, or of the heroes who have them? Should it be anything more than a list of superpowers, and if so, is it really required, given that we already have one of those? It sounds a bit non-encylopedia, more like the sort of poll you'd get on a fansite rather than on Wikipedia. Thought I should open this up for discussion before I try to do anything with it. Gamesmaster 11:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I have noticed three naming trends in a multitude of entries that give me pause:
Thoughts? -- Chris Griswold 08:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I say, if a specific issue can be cited to establish a middle name, then it should go in. If there is an explicit contradiction among writers/issues that can be cited, then the "sometimes" format can be used, as in (sometimes given as...), which I've seen people use with the Intro's first line on WP. Nightscream 02:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I would like to bring to your attention the nomination of Batman for FARC. Please leave your comments or try to improve the article to avoid defeaturing it. Joelito ( talk) 14:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I've created an article for longtime DC artist Howard Purcell — who drew the cover of the Golden Age Green Lantern #1, co-created Sargon the Sorcerer, DC's Enchantress and other characters, and whose work appears on the cover of the just-release All Star Archives Vol. 0 — yet I might have reached a dead end. I'm finding little material on him online or in the print sources I've had a chance to consult so far.
I can't even find his birth and presumed death dates (which is a sad truth of many of the old professionals who died before the current mainstream interest in comics; see George Klein (comics)). I also can't track down so far if he's any relation to present-day artist Gordon Purcell.
If anyone has any source material on Howard Purcell, it'd be great to flesh out the article with some additional biographics basics of his life, education, and career. Thanks! -- Tenebrae 19:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I have archived articles up until three weeks ago.-- Chris Griswold 21:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I move that we fold the animated versions of DC's characters into the character's main article. There is no reason we need separate entries for these derivatives. Current disputes can be seen at Talk:Power Girl and Talk:Animated Series Batman. Previously, Hawkgirl (animated).-- Chris Griswold 21:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Some characters, despite surface similaries, were created for the animated series (see Galatea (Justice League Unlimited) and should have their own article. Most others are just slight variations of the comics characters. These should be incorporated into the characters entries (Main page, Other media, Cultural references, etc.). I think a blanket policy is incorrect in this instance. CovenantD 15:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
IMHO, the only reason an animated version should get their own article is when it's a part of their own show (ie, versions of Batman can be discussed at whatever length is neccisary on the article of his animated series). -- InShaneee 00:30, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
For his time-consuming volunteer efforts organizing WikiProject Comics, his lending a helping hand to many newbies and others, and his efforts on the entire history of comics and not just what's popular now, I've nominated Hiding for a Wikihalo award. Please see details and give your comments here. I have notified the nominee. -- Tenebrae 13:27, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Newest category I'd suggest for deletion: "Category:Fictional eyepatch wearers|Fury, Nick" -- Tenebrae 15:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
There's been another round of edit wars over these, over what makes a good pic, etc. Here's what I suggest makes a good SHB picture:
Thoughts? - SoM 21:53, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Speaking of which, can someone do something about the image on Two-Face? It isn't very representative at all. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 04:04, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Is it ok that I gave the character Demona a SHB box? She isn't really a comicbook character, though the series' creator Greg Weisman is continuing the Gargoyles continuity in a comicbook series this summer. -- DrBat 23:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Facto is trying to delete my images, saying "Since interior pages are actually the content being sold, they have to be used sparingly." Is this true, and is this a valid enough reason to delete images? -- DrBat 23:50, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Who wants to work with me on putting together a complete stylebook for this Wikiproject? I want to address grammar and writing errors primarily seen in the comics articles, proper image selection, the use of the SHB, the format of the articles, and general guidelines/policies. This would incorporate existing guidelines, as well as information culled from this talk page's archives. -- Chris Griswold 00:38, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I expanded The Raft (comics) as much as I could from the sources I had at hand (namely New Avengers #1-3). I noticed that there may also be references in Spider-Man: Breakout but I don't have that. Without a template to guide me, I just added "Background" and "Security features" sections and cleaned up the lead. I took out the reference to Daredevil as he's an inmate on Ryker's Island not The Raft. Any more additions are welcome. -- Newt 01:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
The anon-user 69.183.73.241 removed all references of Mystique and Destiny being lovers (this has been confirmed in the comics, btw. It isn't something ambiguous). Would someone mind restoring what he deleted? -- DrBat 00:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Not that I don't believe it (I know Claremont intended it that way, he has said so) but could you provide a reference to an issue where it is confirmed they were lovers? For verification. Wilfredo Martinez 05:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I've updated the collab to Maus, please improve the article! -- Jamdav86 09:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
1. Ive been adding dates to some articles which refer to specific comic issues; for instance adding (December, 1979) after a reference to Adventure Comics #466. However, given that the cover dates on comics are very inaccurate as publishing dates and really are only supposed to function as "best before" dates, how useful is this information? I think its particuliarly problematic when the cover dates are given in the context that a series was published between certain times, for instance " America vs. The Justice Society was released between January and April 1985" (which incidentally is my own work). Obviously its very difficult to extrapolate actual on sale dates from the cover date given that the gap between the two has shifted over the years but what should we do? should every reference to these dates contain the proviso "cover date"? or has this issue already been resolved somewhere?
2.I noticed earlier today that the infoboxes for individual films have a link at the end to the IMDB.com page on each flick. Given that the Grand Comic Book Database serves a similar function for comics as the IMDB does for film would it be a good idea to create such a link at the end of the Comics Book Title infobox template? I think so, but I have no clue about how you would go about doing it. Hueysheridan 22:25, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Would someone please take some time to talk to Brian Boru is awesome ( talk · contribs)? Take a look at his recent edits. — Lesfer (talk/ @) 22:03, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
There's a slew of categories like category:cartoonists, category:comics artists, category:comics creators, category:comics writers, category:graphic novelists and then all of the variants by nationality... I think the project page should start look into the possibility of cleaning this up by possibly merging redundant categories and then issuing some rough guidelines as to how the classification should be done. Pascal.Tesson 23:24, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
FYI: Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2006/June#.7B.7BComics-writer-stub.7D.7D .26 .7B.7BComics-artist-stub.7D.7D - SoM 23:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Note that some Jewish fictional characters are classed as supervillains rather than superheroes, notably Magneto of the X-Men series, and are therefore not categorized here.
Hasn't Magneto been portrayed as a superhero in the past? Even though he may no longer be one (though he has yet to be portrayed villainously since Excalibur), the category should still apply to him.
Not to mention that the Jewish supervillain category, with Mags and Harley Quinn being the only entries, should probably be deleted unless someone can think of other Jewish supervillains.-- DrBat 01:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
What should we follow when concerning characters as Flash, Ray, Atom, Question, Joker, Spectre, Batman and so on? Are we supposed to use articles ("The") before their names? — Lesfer (talk/ @) 23:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Why is two-thirds of the Chuck Austen weasel words about his run on Ultimate X-Men and New X-Men? - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 02:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Throughout all of the articles I've seen, I keep seeing different styles for listing whoever drew a piece of art, where it's from and when it's from. Y'all need a style convention for these captions so that all of them list things the same way. These are hypothetical examples:
Can we propose some sort of convention. For example...?
I leave it up to a consensus to decide what to use, but from my POV, I did like the more formal/specific designation of "pencils" being used as a credit rather than "art" or "artist" and think that should stay no matter what. I also think the "pencils" credit should always be a seperate sentence after the description of the picture, and not joined to the description by a comma. Anybody that can point to broad Wiki conventions to assist in this would be appreciated. I just see that a lot of work has been done to improve the art captions in WikiProject Comics, yet there's no convention in place. - Liontamer 02:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
-- Tenebrae 16:01, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Please address the usage of commas at Talk: Jason Todd. This shouldn't need mediation; consensus should be able to work out the problem. -- Chris Griswold 02:23, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I have noticed some comic book titles synopses are very descriptive of the entire content of a comic book. In particular, Runaways (comics) (story arcs), Araña, List of Ultimates story arcs could stand to be trimmed a bit, and some of the Runaways arcs are as detailed as The Catcher in the Rye synopsis. My question is how much content should we write about before the synopses becomes a substitute for reading the comic? -- Pc13 07:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Re: Runways - Again?! - SoM 13:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok, to start, Pc13 isn't exactly a comic lover (as seen with his comments here), Story arc/Plot synopsis are keep seperated from their related pages for several reasons, the top ones being that:
Plus it keeps the fanboys happy, and they can be damn annoying. Think of it as a nessisary evil. I'm not saying some of those pages don't need to be trimmed a bit, but to get rid of them is excessive. JQF 16:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Is there anyway to be notified of AfD or merger disputes concerning articles in this WikiProject? If not, is there some way we could do this? I feel that sometimes votes come to nothing because editors don't realize they are happening, or they go a direcion they might not were there more editors involved. -- Chris Griswold 18:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
The WikiProject Comics Notice Board is a page for editors to list of deletion and merger votes, requests for peer evaluation, and dispute mediation, among other subjects of interest to editors in the Comics WikiProject. -- Chris Griswold 04:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Can someone come and check out the Batsuit article? Ghetteaux and I are having a *ahem* pissing match (yes I was bad too) about Batman's costume. I feel that his additions are not adding to the value of the article. He's accusing me of being biased (possibly). I mostly object to the underoos addition (which I don't feel contributes positivly to a well written article and the following addition, which I feel is overkill and bordering on a peculiar fascination with Batman's crotch.:
; both Superman and Batman are consistently depicted with skimpy, speedo-type groin coverings hugging, defining, and displaying the genital region, worn over skintight, sheer, opaque catsuits.
Any help is appreciated -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 18:17, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I need some help with the Eternals entry. Earlier today I deleted a large history section that was completely lifted from the Marvel Directory website [2] User:Dr Archeville has replaced the section with a new history section which is almost exactly the same as before, though a few words and phrases are changed or mixed around in each sentence. Now the two text are not identical, but each paragraph conveys the exact same information in much the same manner and many phrases are repeated from the Directory entry. Is this plagiarism\copyvio or has it been rewritten sufficiently to qualify as fair use? some help please Hueysheridan 22:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Makes sense... though, wouldn't any entry on a fictional character be, by it's very nature, focusing on fictional events? And, getting back to the root topic (the Eternals), just what can be said about their History and Abilities/Powers, given that (it seems to me, at least) the only readily-available sources are the OHttMU entries, and sites that copy them like the MarvelDirectory? Dr Archeville 21:41, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
We have Earth-98, Earth-295 aka Age of Apocalypse, Earth-1121, Earth-120185, Earth-1610 aka Ultimate Marvel, Earth-2122, Earth-295, Earth-31916 aka Supremeverse, Earth-712, Earth-717, Earth-721 aka Earth-A, Earth-98125, Earth-691, and Earth-616. Instead of giving these separate articles, wouldn't we be better served with a List of Marvel dimensions rather than giving very obscure dimensions their own articles? I recognize that some of these are viable articles (like Earth-616 which explains why the designation of "616") Are these designations okay (read: fair use) to use on their own, since they're only reported in the Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe: Alternate Worlds 2005. -- Newt ΨΦ 00:14, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
This seems to be very widely included (something like 3500 talk pages), and is rather frequently edited. I'm concerned that there could well be a server load issue. Indeed, many templates with similar numbers of inclusions (or indeed fewer) are actually protected for that reason. I'd like to suggest replacing this with a notice and link on talk pages generally, and only including the actually-updated task template on a small number of pages (wikiproject ones, most obviously). Alai 02:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Would you please take a look at Alan Scott's talk page? — Lesfer (talk/ @) 05:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
The problem is there's no obvious place to move it to - the "Silver Age" disambig is both imprecise and inaccurate - pretty much all the sources I've seen have the Silver Age ending before 1974 (Kirby leaving Marvel - in part, to do THIS title; and Gwen Stacy's death seem to be the two most commonly quoted), so pushing this as Silver Age is POV at best even for its start date never mind the appearances in Infinity Inc and The Sandman (DC Comics/Vertigo).
Problem is, as I say, I don't see where to move it to. (comics) and (DC Comics) are out because of multiple characters/titles, he doesn't have a settled civilian ID (2 actual and one retconned-out) and Simon/Kirby had already reinvented the Dodds Sandman to the point of making him a different character in the 1940s.
Any suggestions? - SoM 09:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Should the two share the same article? The characters are closely connnected, and most of the information is repeated in both of the articles. -- DrBat 18:06, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Should the issues of 52 be numbered like 52 #1 or 52 Week One?-- DrBat 19:22, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Take a look at the Notice Board to see the stubs that Dr. Archeville is continuing to create as he works his way through marvunapp.com. -- Chris Griswold 19:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Template:Supersupportingbox isn't showing relatives. I'm guessing it's from the errant comment marks in this section, but as I'm NOT any good with if statements on wikipedia, I'm sketchy -
I have fixed this (through some experimentation). I had also fixed the "Supporting character of" section previously. This one just took me longer to figure out, particularly since I'm no template expert. You were almost correct with your solution. What actually needed to happen was for that first <!-- to be enclosed with a -->. -- GentlemanGhost 10:54, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
A large chunk of the text for Drax the Destroyer seems to have been copied from the unofficial Marvel Comics wiki http://www.marveldatabase.com. Assuming that the time stamps are accurate, their version predates ours by a few months. Like Wikipedia, they also use the GNU FDL to allow others to republish their work. However, if I read things correctly, there needs to be an indication that the information comes from the Marvel Database site (which there is not). While I suppose that we could use this information if we properly credit the source, it just seems wrong to me. It feels to me like we're "stealing", for lack of a better term, from a competing Wiki. However, it looks like the editor that copied this information, Rjpimp ( talk • contribs), is also an editor on that site under the same username. Does that make it OK? What are your thoughts on this? -- GentlemanGhost 11:29, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't worry too much about this. It's actual copyrights that we need to watch out for. People who write stuff under GNU rules have to be aware that their stuff could be used by strangers at any time (I've certainly seen stuff from Wikipedia in several other Wikis.) Out of cortesy, we should contact Rjpimp and inform him of this, if that's possible. In any case, let's throw in a reference that Marvel Database was the original source to cover our hides. The article needs a few edits, anyway, so eventually it won't replicate the original exactly. Wilfredo Martinez 13:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
All four of these articles contain summaries of each individual issue. Not only do I think the fair use for doing this is questionable, but it looks really sloppy and would benefit if someone condensed the summaries. -- DrBat 19:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I've made Superman & Batman: Generations I and Superman & Batman: Generations II redirects to Superman & Batman: Generations, and explained my reasoning on their talk pages, Talk:Superman & Batman: Generations I and Talk:Superman & Batman: Generations II. Comments on those redirections would be appreciated in order to build a consensus. Hiding Talk 21:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
There is this user:Thanos2099 that is violating NPOV with his edits. Several other editor and I have already reverted his edits, but he still won't listen. If I could get some help from the admins and the senior members it would be appricated. Something needs to be done about this user. T-1000 17:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Moon Knight is a good example of what can and should be included, because of the sources. Namor, Black Adam, and Sentry are all examples of what should NOT be tolerated. Find a source, include it. Don't have a source, leave out the entire section. CovenantD 14:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok... anyone think this is a good idea? -- DrBat 21:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Because my neutrality in regards to this article, and my attempts to maintain it have been questioned by other contributors to the page, i'd like to have it reviewed for neutrality and accuracy by a panel of at least three impartial members of Wikiproject Comics. -- Basique 18:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I've created the {{issue}} template that functions as an in-line request for the specific citation of an issue of a comic book or magazine.
It looks like volume & issue needed.
The suggestion has come up that perhaps Wikipedia might benefit from a Ethnic Stereotypes in Comic Books article. I was forwarded to this project and talk page by User:CovenantD. I'm not terribly experienced with Wikipedia, but I have done some research on Asian/Asian American stereotypes in comic books. I'm interested in working with some other interested parties in developing this article, especially with the hope that more heads working together can help maintain as objective a point of view as possible on this potentially contentious subject. I've put in some very small filler content at the moment. Anyone interested (especially people who know what they're doing with Wikipedia)? If so, please continue to the Ethnic Stereotypes in Comic Books talk page -- Jfang86 03:05, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
This is definitely a comics-related subject that deserves to be mentioned here, it is of significant importance in the growth of the industry and its reflection of social changes. I recommend however that as many citations as possible discussing the subject be included, to avoid the article being accused of "original thought." - Wilfredo Martinez 12:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm impressed with the amount of information that this article included in it's first draft. Now that's research! :-) CovenantD 14:28, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
So, by WP:NC, which one is correct? Please, check talk page. — Lesfer (talk/ @) 14:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)