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Just to get ahead of the curve, when an announcement is made that a consistory will be held to create new cardinals, that does NOT constitute publication in Canon 351§2. That means that their articles on here should NOT be updated with the title Cardinal until the consistory, although it would be very appropriate to add a note about the announcement to their articles. Likewise, they should NOT be added to the various lists of Cardinals without an explicit note that they are only designees until the consistory is held. (Typically the consistory is held 4 to 6 weeks after the initial announcement - the announcement will include the date.)-- Dcheney ( talk) 01:44, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Comments on Afd: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Immaculate_Conception_of_Saint_John_the_Baptist ? Thanks. History2007 ( talk) 20:15, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
The Pope John Paul II article is currently on peer review, if anyone is interested in participating -- Marek. 69 talk 01:58, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Already posted this note on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity and copy on WP Anglicanism. Please see Talk:Gospel. Fine to link to peripheral material articles and deal with theories at length there, but basic "Gospel" article needs to be kept mainstream. In ictu oculi ( talk) 01:42, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
I have recently started discussion about possibly eliminating the use of a separate talk page for it here. Input from any interested editors is very welcome and encouraged. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 22:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Even though Turkey Day is long past and many of us are looking for a nice place to take our sweetie for St. Valentine's, there is a heated debate about Thanksgiving here. – Lionel ( talk) 06:05, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Catholicism will have interest in putting on events related to women's roles in Catholicism. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch ( talk) 19:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello! I noticed that other large projects, such as WP:India, have newsletters. I think a newsletter could help improve the project. Who is interested in contributing to it? I look forward to your comments. With regards, Anupam Talk 01:52, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
WP:WikiProject Catholic canon law and WP:WikiProject Vatican City are inactive. Should they be merged here? – Lionel ( talk) 12:08, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
Just wrote an article on a priest who won 5 super bowl rings. Wouldn't mind having others take a look at it.--- Balloonman Poppa Balloon 16:05, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Thoughts welcome. The term kirishitan is used in Japanese, but in relation to early Catholics, not anything distinct from Catholicism. In ictu oculi ( talk) 11:52, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
There is a discussion on minor changes to the Catholicism template on Template_talk:Catholicism#Particular_Churches_and_liturgical_rites. The discussion is only about minor issues such as links and liturgical rites, etc. However, the template is Redlocked, and before we ask for it to be modified, this note is posted in case someone has suggestions. Thanks. History2007 ( talk) 09:29, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
An editor has been methodically removing Catholic categories from biographies per WP:BLPCAT, and in the case of Adam Weishaupt left "unsourced cat" in the edit sum. The half dozen or so removals at which I glanced seemed within policy. I believe in order to add the cats back we'd have to add content to the articles. In the mean time, however, should these articles be tagged with the banner {{ WikiProject Catholicism}}? – Lionel ( talk) 11:48, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
{{ Infobox church}} now has parameters for church bells (number of, weight, and hanging arrangement). Please help to populate them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:05, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi, some days ago I made this Navigation Template to help navigate through the most important catholic writers who studied or taught in the University of Oxford. What do you think about it? Is it worth adding it to the articles? Argentino ( talk/ cont.) 00:25, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
International Commission on English in the Liturgy Corporation is a new article by a new user. Clearly falls under purview of the WP:Catholicism so somebody may want to take a look. Thanks. Safiel ( talk) 01:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Do we have anything like this: {{ WPChristianity-invite}}? If yes we should drop one here: User talk:Bobw1776. – Lionel ( talk) 02:02, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
On the Mariology template, the words"approved or worthy of belief" (for apparitions) link to a page on dogma. I think the link should be removed, as approved apparitions (ex. Fatima, Lourdes) are not dogmas, correct? 24.191.87.42 ( talk) 01:08, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
A long disputed section in Father Bosco's article has an open RFC. You can help resolve this once and for all. Your input is requested here: RFC re: "Bosco's concerns over his influence". Thanks! – Lionel ( talk) 02:27, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm new to this wiki project and I would like to make contributions related to the history and current make up of the Catholic community in the Pacific Northwest. The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Portland in Oregon covers much of this geographic area and it's a start-class article, so I'd like to start contributing here but I'm not sure what the scope should be for articles on Archdioceses. Should I only cover the direct activities of the diocesan hierarchy and staff (the legal entity and its employees), or should I also include noteworthy Catholic Organizations and Catholic individuals located in this diocese? For example, the Feature-Status article the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Miami lists only diocese-administered universities in its Education section. The Archdiocese of Portland in Oregon doesn't directly administer any universities, but would it be appropriate for me to mention other Catholic Universities in the diocese that are administered by Jesuits or Holy Cross? If the Archdiocese article is not the right place for such contributions, is there an article (or should I start one) that describes the broader Catholic community in this geographic region? Appreciate feedback and advice! -- Isaac.holeman ( talk) 10:58, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
I need some help with a couple of images. These images were at the bishops section of the article Roman Catholic Diocese of Ghent, but I moved them to the talk page as none of them seem to have ever been bishops of Ghent. Could you please take a look at Talk:Roman Catholic Diocese of Ghent and find an appropriate place for these images? (Note, the one on the left has his own article) D O N D E groovily Talk to me 00:45, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey all, a while back I had to expand the article for Jeanne de Jussie, a sixteenth-century nun in Switzerland. She wrote The Short Chronicle, which details her time at the convent, the Protestant Reformation, and her consequent move to another convent in France. Is this the kind of article relevant to your work? I wasn't sure where I could propose it but I would appreciate some revision if it's something you're interested in. Pferrete ( talk) 00:47, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
I have copied a list of Roman Catholic handed over to the judiciary in the London area during the 1640s, from a book published back in 1902. Wikipedia has biographies on some of the people, but not all of them. If someone is interested it might be a useful springboard for more articles on Roman Catholic martyrs of the period. -- PBS ( talk) 17:31, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
In looking at WP:BIO due to an AfD and was surprised that there was not a notability essay or guideline regarding religious individuals. Should this be addressed? As I am not a member of this wikiproject I thought this would be the best place to bring this up. -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 02:12, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
That is basically what happened over at WP:Poker a few years ago. We wrote up our own guidelines and almost immediately had our rough draft taken before the keepers at WP:N who told us that we couldn't write up our own guidelines because it hadn't been accepted by the community. We responded by creating {{essay-project-note|type=section}}---a template that declares the guidelines to be that of the project. Since then writing of project specific guidelines has garnered some traction and we've successfully used our guidelines at Poker to defend various players. By having an essay, you can avoid claims of selective reasoning and show that the inclusion is long standing and objective not subjective.--- Balloonman Poppa Balloon 21:50, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I am not sure what the goal is for declaring notability, but if the door is opened to Bishops being notable and hence quotable across articles that would create a mess. There are many Bishops out there, and if notability means they can get an article, I see no major problem in that, but the uses to which the notability badge can be put should be clarified. History2007 ( talk) 23:09, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Recent concerns have arisen about the article Papal Orders of Chivalry. If you view the page you will see that it is blanked by a copyvio template. I have started a rewrite of the article but as I am not the greatest editor on Wikipedia I would appreciate and welcome all input. Just bear in mind that anything that you add will be scrutinized under a microscope so watch out for WP:Close paraphrasing, cited or not you will rarely win an argument over that subject and will have to rewrite it anyway. Check out the discussion here Talk:Papal_Orders_of_Chivalry#Copyright_problem. The working copy of the rewrite is here: Talk:Papal Orders of Chivalry/Temp. Cheers. EricSerge ( talk) 19:04, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place here regarding the number of Marian dogmas in the Catholic Church, four or five. Help and advice will be appreciated. Thanks. History2007 ( talk) 18:28, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Later this year, Godwilling, the Medjugorje apparitions will be judged by the Church.
My question is: What's gonna happen to Status of Međugorje when that happens?
Oct13 ( talk) 03:38, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
I see this a lot on Christian articles. But I can't judge other Christians, so I can only speak for Catholic articles.
On these articles, an orthodox Catholic is often said to be "conservative" or "holds Catholic policies" or "conservative policies".
Isn't this a case of politics fallacy, e.g, someone holds a political policy in common with someone else, so they must be like them?
Also, isn't the political blanket an insult to the person's religious and moral beliefs, neither of which are politics?
Really, this whole thing of "conservative vs. liberal" is pretty disingenuous, if you ask me.
Oct13 ( talk) 00:08, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
I don't see a Vatican Portal, so I was wondering if Vatican City could become the Vatican Portal too?
There's not much difference between the two. Oct13 ( talk) 07:36, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
The Pierina Gilli article is largely the work of a new and enthusiastic editor who has, essentially, edited only this article. The article has numerous cleanup issues and is tagged for them and the creator of the article has called for help on the talk page. I'm not at all knowledgeable on the topic, specifically or generally, so would like to draw it to the attention of those who are more likely to be. Doddy Wuid ( talk) 18:55, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering whether there would be any interest among the editors here for a separate group dealing with Old Catholicism. As many of you probably know, the Old Catholics are not officially counted by independent observers as "Catholics," but rather as a form of Protestants. That being the case, it might be a bit confusing to some people to have them counted as Catholics, or within the scope of this project. Would there be any people interested in establishing a separate group for the Old Catholics? If yes, please respond here. John Carter ( talk) 20:54, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Aloha. I'm doing some research on socially responsible investing, and I noticed that Ave Maria Mutual Funds wasn't tagged by this project, so I tagged it. It's got some sourcing issues, so I'm hoping someone can help fix it. Thanks. Viriditas ( talk) 08:15, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Heresies in Catholicism template discussion going on right now. I feel this template deserves to be on Wikipedia, to help users find heresies condemned by the Catholic Church. Some users are claiming this is against Wikipedia policies, but I'm getting tired of everything Catholic being considered wrong on Wikipedia. I could be wrong, and would value your input and help. Oct13 ( talk) 03:36, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
I have proposed that this article be renamed. Please feel free to discuss the matter at Talk:List of heresies in Catholicism#Requested move. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 22:35, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
I have created this article -- Ignatian pedagogical paradigm -- based on several sources and would appreciate additional hands on it. Thanks. Marikafragen ( talk) 22:33, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
I wanted to advise interested parties that a discussion has been opened at WP:CFD regarding Category:Roman Catholic Church organizations. Here is a link to the discussion. -- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 22:54, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Where's the map of the Roman Catholic dioceses of Canada? -- Jaques O. Carvalho ☜ 22:56, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
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16:17, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
To my surprise, there's no geographic categorisation for monasteries; there's a Category:Roman Catholic monasteries by order, but the Russian Orthodox are the only faith to get their own "___ monasteries by country" metacategory, and Category:Christian monasteries in the United States by denomination only has Orthodox and Anglican monastery categories. Is this situation the result of a discussion, or is it simply because nobody's created geographic categories for Catholic monasteries? Nyttend ( talk) 01:59, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
From Father Z's blog. The Catholic Herald, a great newspaper in the UK, has placed its full archives online going back to the 1930s. Subscriptions are £40 per year. This could be a great source for articles here. Elizium23 ( talk) 13:42, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
The preeminent Catholic lay organization has been nominated by yours truly for Good Article. If you would like to review Knights of Columbus click here--it's only #201 in the queue! Arrrgggghhh!!!! – Lionel ( talk) 03:28, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
I lack the expertise to know how to delete a page but boy is there one worthy of deletion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visit_to_the_Blessed_Sacrament
It's redundant with the article on Eucharistic Adoration, except much worse. 108.243.188.132 ( talk) 17:47, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering if anyone here could take a look at the article and ensure I used the terms correctly (such as Holy See vs. Vatican, apostolic vicariate, novitiate, etc.) . I'm not very well-versed at writing articles about Catholicism, let alone bishops. Thanks beforehand! — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 08:37, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm having some real trouble explaining the concept of dedicating a church in the Categories for discussion page. Could someone who is better at explaining Catholic concepts to non Catholics (or for that matter Anglican or Orthodox concepts) please explain why dedicating a church to a saint is not simply "naming" a church. I am having extreme trouble explaining this, even when 15 other Wikipedias (including all the main languages) are allowing this.
I'm sure it's my abiliy to explain rather than their willingness or ability to comprehend that's at fault.
JASpencer ( talk) 19:21, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
In ictu oculi has asked me to post Talk:Resurrection of the dead here. More specifically, I presume, Talk:Resurrection of the dead#Requested move 2012-06-25. Esoglou ( talk) 18:43, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Template:Roman Catholic Dioceses - United States has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page.
DH85868993 (
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10:39, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Metz_Accord Lectiodifficilior ( talk) 06:10, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Someone who is knowledgeable in the ways of archiving, could you have a look at Talk:Society of Jesus and fix it/explain to me why nothing is being archived there? Thanks. Elizium23 ( talk) 05:55, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to bring to your attention this discussion which hints to an ongoing issue including similar biographical voices (as this shows, the voice Pope Julius III is also in need of serious update). Regards, -- RCarmine ( talk) 18:12, 16 August 2012 (UTC) (contributor to it:Progetto:Cattolicesimo)
I have begun to add these articles to the Project umbrella. I have been very innactive here for some time. I hope there are a few here that can help improve this article with some stronger historical church documentation. A vatican expert on papal heraldry, would a great addition as the Vatican Website is being used with undue weight and editors are attempting to parse the information without references when this should be an easily covered subject from the Vatcan sources. Also outside sources from mainstream opinion that can confirm claims etc would be great. I have just begun research into this area and it seems extremely interesting.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 21:10, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
I have some doubts about the edits of Jay Fitzgerald. They look to be biased, but am not sure. Can someone take a look at the edits to see if they are neutral or not? The Banner talk 00:46, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
About 20 articles, see Cardinal of Ho Chi Minh City Jean-Baptiste Phạm Minh Mẫn -> Pham Minh Man etc. Where these moves discussed or notified at all at WikiProject Catholicism? Because it looks as though the most reliable sources retain them. This is a major mass move, and if removing the baptismal name should be done via WP:RM. I was considering reverting all 20 or so undiscussed moves as controversial - but would like to check with WP:Catholicism to get second, third and fourth opinion first. In ictu oculi ( talk) 13:41, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Another one: Joseph Marie Trình Như Khuê Archbishop of Hanoi from 1960-1978, moved to " Trinh Nhu Khue". In ictu oculi ( talk) 08:41, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
At Commons, I've uploaded photos of a number of stained-glass windows from Catholic churches. I've been able to identify most of the subjects, but the right-hand window in the photo has stumped me. Another editor has identified him as Ferdinand III of Castile, but I have my doubts: the editor is Brazilian, so likely to identify Iberian saints; but the church was established in an area of Nebraska settled primarily by Germans and Bohemians (with some Irish Catholics in the parish as well). The current parish priest, who's of Spanish descent, couldn't put a name to the figure on the window, adding to my doubt that it's F3. Any suggestions? A reply at my talk page would be appreciated. Thanks. Ammodramus ( talk) 16:38, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Talk:Christ (term)#Requested move.
Elizium23 (
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Elizium23 (
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23:39, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
I have nominated Gregory of Nazianzus for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.-- Redtigerxyz Talk 13:28, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Natural marriage for discussion. Elizium23 ( talk) 22:08, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Please see Template talk:Christianity#"Eastern Catholic" is not a denomination for a discussion. Thank you. Elizium23 ( talk) 03:59, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi folks, we are having some ongoing problems regarding the appointment of successor bishops in dioceses and the policy of
WP:CRYSTAL as it applies between the dates of appointment and installation. As discussed extensively at
Talk:Charles J. Chaput, the effects of an episcopal appointment are very limited compared to the enthronement/installation, which happens a couple months later. I will use as an example,
Salvatore J. Cordileone, bishop of Oakland. Upon receipt of his new appointment to San Francisco, the bishop obtained the power and obligations of a Diocesan Administrator of the Diocese of Oakland. He remains bishop of Oakland. He gains the title, "Archbishop-designate of San Francisco". The see does not become vacant. The resignation of
George Hugh Niederauer has been accepted; Niederauer remains archbishop of San Francisco. (see below for revised analysis) At this point, succession boxes should not be changed, infoboxes should not be changed. Lead paragraphs can be supplemented to include the new announcement, but the information already there, about being bishop of Oakland or Niederauer being archbishop of San Francisco, that should not be deleted. It is strongly encouraged to place in the body of the article a description of the events of July 27, the appointment and the resignation. This is where that information belongs. Add references, because there are plenty. The installation ceremony happens in a couple months from now. When you watch that installation ceremony on live streaming video, and the Apostolic Letter is read to the whole assembly, and the archbishop takes his seat on the
cathedra, then you can go ahead and update the infoboxes, add the succession box, change the lede paragraphs, and all that jazz. But all that jazz is currently happening immediately upon news of the appointment, and this is wrong, this is a violation of
WP:CRYSTAL, and I am at 3RR on certain articles without your help, so more eyes would be appreciated. Thank you.
Elizium23 (
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16:32, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
There is a bit of confusion in the world about these three terms. Here is the true story. Latin Rite is more or less a slang or portmanteau of the other two. It is a more common term than the other two combined, and even used by Popes and officials in the Church, but it is not strictly "official", because the other two are in Canon Law and the majority of Church documents. Here is the distinction: read the articles for the full story, but the Latin Church is the sui iuris Church in communion with Rome. It encompasses several rites, the largest of which is the Roman Rite, which includes the extraordinary form and the ordinary form of the Mass. The Latin Church is somewhat unique in that it does encompass several rites unlike all the Eastern Churches which each celebrate in a single rite. Now, I am trying to establish a basis for changing occurrences of "Latin Rite" in articles to the official terms so that it is not so ambiguous. The drawback is that Wikipedia must report reliable secondary sources which will often use the confusing term "Latin Rite" and we must report it that way; changing it would even be original research. But, if it is clear from the article text which official term is implied, and the sources don't specifically mention a term, then I suggest we change it to the official term for clarity. It would indeed be very helpful if the use of the confusing term Latin Rite is greatly reduced here on Wikipedia so it would reduce usage worldwide. Elizium23 ( talk) 10:37, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
Jackie Hudson is up for a peer review. Your review would be appreciated. Thanks, -- Guerillero | My Talk 00:22, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
This is a request for help for editing as regards Catholic etiquette. This is a rather minor matter, but I am currently in a dispute with a small group of editors regarding the inclusion of the initials of a person's community in bold at the start of an article. The MOS speaks of postnominal initials as "honorifics", such as OBE and KM, and indicate that they should not be bolded. I, on the other hand, consider these postnominal initials as part of a person's name indicating heritage, the equivalent of Jr. or Sr.
A small group of editors, who are open about having no familiarity with religious matters, are in strong disagreement with me, taking a strict interpretation of this phrasing. They have repeatedly and systematically changed the format I have used. There have also been a few comments made which I find somewhat unsettling. So I would appreciate the input of the editors in this project in this matter. The discussion can be seen on the Talk page for the MOS. [1] Daniel the Monk ( talk) 17:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
I can't find a notability guideline dealing with bishops or other clergymen. Can someone who is familiar with the area weigh in at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jean-Nicolas Lemmens? It would also be great if someone can point me to the related guideline or if this wikiproject has a notability essay. Ryan Vesey 16:03, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Kirishitan and History of Roman Catholicism in Japan. The first article seems to be heavily OR and duplicate. I left a note on WP Japan as well. In ictu oculi ( talk) 20:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Template_talk:Catholicism#Edit_request_on_7_December_2012
to edit the list of Doctors of the Church to add
John of Avila and
Hildegard of Bingen and do this by embedding
Template:Churchdoctor. --
Jayarathina (
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12:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Could someone please assess Homosexuality and Roman Catholic priests? I'd like to get it on the board, but I probably shouldn't rate it myself, since I would probably rate its quality as lower and its importance as higher than is justified. Thanks. Openverse ( talk) 23:11, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
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Archive 2005 | ← | Archive 2010 | Archive 2011 | Archive 2012 |
Just to get ahead of the curve, when an announcement is made that a consistory will be held to create new cardinals, that does NOT constitute publication in Canon 351§2. That means that their articles on here should NOT be updated with the title Cardinal until the consistory, although it would be very appropriate to add a note about the announcement to their articles. Likewise, they should NOT be added to the various lists of Cardinals without an explicit note that they are only designees until the consistory is held. (Typically the consistory is held 4 to 6 weeks after the initial announcement - the announcement will include the date.)-- Dcheney ( talk) 01:44, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Comments on Afd: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Immaculate_Conception_of_Saint_John_the_Baptist ? Thanks. History2007 ( talk) 20:15, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
The Pope John Paul II article is currently on peer review, if anyone is interested in participating -- Marek. 69 talk 01:58, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Already posted this note on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity and copy on WP Anglicanism. Please see Talk:Gospel. Fine to link to peripheral material articles and deal with theories at length there, but basic "Gospel" article needs to be kept mainstream. In ictu oculi ( talk) 01:42, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
I have recently started discussion about possibly eliminating the use of a separate talk page for it here. Input from any interested editors is very welcome and encouraged. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 22:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Even though Turkey Day is long past and many of us are looking for a nice place to take our sweetie for St. Valentine's, there is a heated debate about Thanksgiving here. – Lionel ( talk) 06:05, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Catholicism will have interest in putting on events related to women's roles in Catholicism. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch ( talk) 19:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello! I noticed that other large projects, such as WP:India, have newsletters. I think a newsletter could help improve the project. Who is interested in contributing to it? I look forward to your comments. With regards, Anupam Talk 01:52, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
WP:WikiProject Catholic canon law and WP:WikiProject Vatican City are inactive. Should they be merged here? – Lionel ( talk) 12:08, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
Just wrote an article on a priest who won 5 super bowl rings. Wouldn't mind having others take a look at it.--- Balloonman Poppa Balloon 16:05, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Thoughts welcome. The term kirishitan is used in Japanese, but in relation to early Catholics, not anything distinct from Catholicism. In ictu oculi ( talk) 11:52, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
There is a discussion on minor changes to the Catholicism template on Template_talk:Catholicism#Particular_Churches_and_liturgical_rites. The discussion is only about minor issues such as links and liturgical rites, etc. However, the template is Redlocked, and before we ask for it to be modified, this note is posted in case someone has suggestions. Thanks. History2007 ( talk) 09:29, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
An editor has been methodically removing Catholic categories from biographies per WP:BLPCAT, and in the case of Adam Weishaupt left "unsourced cat" in the edit sum. The half dozen or so removals at which I glanced seemed within policy. I believe in order to add the cats back we'd have to add content to the articles. In the mean time, however, should these articles be tagged with the banner {{ WikiProject Catholicism}}? – Lionel ( talk) 11:48, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
{{ Infobox church}} now has parameters for church bells (number of, weight, and hanging arrangement). Please help to populate them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:05, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi, some days ago I made this Navigation Template to help navigate through the most important catholic writers who studied or taught in the University of Oxford. What do you think about it? Is it worth adding it to the articles? Argentino ( talk/ cont.) 00:25, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
International Commission on English in the Liturgy Corporation is a new article by a new user. Clearly falls under purview of the WP:Catholicism so somebody may want to take a look. Thanks. Safiel ( talk) 01:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Do we have anything like this: {{ WPChristianity-invite}}? If yes we should drop one here: User talk:Bobw1776. – Lionel ( talk) 02:02, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
On the Mariology template, the words"approved or worthy of belief" (for apparitions) link to a page on dogma. I think the link should be removed, as approved apparitions (ex. Fatima, Lourdes) are not dogmas, correct? 24.191.87.42 ( talk) 01:08, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
A long disputed section in Father Bosco's article has an open RFC. You can help resolve this once and for all. Your input is requested here: RFC re: "Bosco's concerns over his influence". Thanks! – Lionel ( talk) 02:27, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm new to this wiki project and I would like to make contributions related to the history and current make up of the Catholic community in the Pacific Northwest. The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Portland in Oregon covers much of this geographic area and it's a start-class article, so I'd like to start contributing here but I'm not sure what the scope should be for articles on Archdioceses. Should I only cover the direct activities of the diocesan hierarchy and staff (the legal entity and its employees), or should I also include noteworthy Catholic Organizations and Catholic individuals located in this diocese? For example, the Feature-Status article the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Miami lists only diocese-administered universities in its Education section. The Archdiocese of Portland in Oregon doesn't directly administer any universities, but would it be appropriate for me to mention other Catholic Universities in the diocese that are administered by Jesuits or Holy Cross? If the Archdiocese article is not the right place for such contributions, is there an article (or should I start one) that describes the broader Catholic community in this geographic region? Appreciate feedback and advice! -- Isaac.holeman ( talk) 10:58, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
I need some help with a couple of images. These images were at the bishops section of the article Roman Catholic Diocese of Ghent, but I moved them to the talk page as none of them seem to have ever been bishops of Ghent. Could you please take a look at Talk:Roman Catholic Diocese of Ghent and find an appropriate place for these images? (Note, the one on the left has his own article) D O N D E groovily Talk to me 00:45, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey all, a while back I had to expand the article for Jeanne de Jussie, a sixteenth-century nun in Switzerland. She wrote The Short Chronicle, which details her time at the convent, the Protestant Reformation, and her consequent move to another convent in France. Is this the kind of article relevant to your work? I wasn't sure where I could propose it but I would appreciate some revision if it's something you're interested in. Pferrete ( talk) 00:47, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
I have copied a list of Roman Catholic handed over to the judiciary in the London area during the 1640s, from a book published back in 1902. Wikipedia has biographies on some of the people, but not all of them. If someone is interested it might be a useful springboard for more articles on Roman Catholic martyrs of the period. -- PBS ( talk) 17:31, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
In looking at WP:BIO due to an AfD and was surprised that there was not a notability essay or guideline regarding religious individuals. Should this be addressed? As I am not a member of this wikiproject I thought this would be the best place to bring this up. -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 02:12, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
That is basically what happened over at WP:Poker a few years ago. We wrote up our own guidelines and almost immediately had our rough draft taken before the keepers at WP:N who told us that we couldn't write up our own guidelines because it hadn't been accepted by the community. We responded by creating {{essay-project-note|type=section}}---a template that declares the guidelines to be that of the project. Since then writing of project specific guidelines has garnered some traction and we've successfully used our guidelines at Poker to defend various players. By having an essay, you can avoid claims of selective reasoning and show that the inclusion is long standing and objective not subjective.--- Balloonman Poppa Balloon 21:50, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I am not sure what the goal is for declaring notability, but if the door is opened to Bishops being notable and hence quotable across articles that would create a mess. There are many Bishops out there, and if notability means they can get an article, I see no major problem in that, but the uses to which the notability badge can be put should be clarified. History2007 ( talk) 23:09, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Recent concerns have arisen about the article Papal Orders of Chivalry. If you view the page you will see that it is blanked by a copyvio template. I have started a rewrite of the article but as I am not the greatest editor on Wikipedia I would appreciate and welcome all input. Just bear in mind that anything that you add will be scrutinized under a microscope so watch out for WP:Close paraphrasing, cited or not you will rarely win an argument over that subject and will have to rewrite it anyway. Check out the discussion here Talk:Papal_Orders_of_Chivalry#Copyright_problem. The working copy of the rewrite is here: Talk:Papal Orders of Chivalry/Temp. Cheers. EricSerge ( talk) 19:04, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place here regarding the number of Marian dogmas in the Catholic Church, four or five. Help and advice will be appreciated. Thanks. History2007 ( talk) 18:28, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Later this year, Godwilling, the Medjugorje apparitions will be judged by the Church.
My question is: What's gonna happen to Status of Međugorje when that happens?
Oct13 ( talk) 03:38, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
I see this a lot on Christian articles. But I can't judge other Christians, so I can only speak for Catholic articles.
On these articles, an orthodox Catholic is often said to be "conservative" or "holds Catholic policies" or "conservative policies".
Isn't this a case of politics fallacy, e.g, someone holds a political policy in common with someone else, so they must be like them?
Also, isn't the political blanket an insult to the person's religious and moral beliefs, neither of which are politics?
Really, this whole thing of "conservative vs. liberal" is pretty disingenuous, if you ask me.
Oct13 ( talk) 00:08, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
I don't see a Vatican Portal, so I was wondering if Vatican City could become the Vatican Portal too?
There's not much difference between the two. Oct13 ( talk) 07:36, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
The Pierina Gilli article is largely the work of a new and enthusiastic editor who has, essentially, edited only this article. The article has numerous cleanup issues and is tagged for them and the creator of the article has called for help on the talk page. I'm not at all knowledgeable on the topic, specifically or generally, so would like to draw it to the attention of those who are more likely to be. Doddy Wuid ( talk) 18:55, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering whether there would be any interest among the editors here for a separate group dealing with Old Catholicism. As many of you probably know, the Old Catholics are not officially counted by independent observers as "Catholics," but rather as a form of Protestants. That being the case, it might be a bit confusing to some people to have them counted as Catholics, or within the scope of this project. Would there be any people interested in establishing a separate group for the Old Catholics? If yes, please respond here. John Carter ( talk) 20:54, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Aloha. I'm doing some research on socially responsible investing, and I noticed that Ave Maria Mutual Funds wasn't tagged by this project, so I tagged it. It's got some sourcing issues, so I'm hoping someone can help fix it. Thanks. Viriditas ( talk) 08:15, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Heresies in Catholicism template discussion going on right now. I feel this template deserves to be on Wikipedia, to help users find heresies condemned by the Catholic Church. Some users are claiming this is against Wikipedia policies, but I'm getting tired of everything Catholic being considered wrong on Wikipedia. I could be wrong, and would value your input and help. Oct13 ( talk) 03:36, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
I have proposed that this article be renamed. Please feel free to discuss the matter at Talk:List of heresies in Catholicism#Requested move. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 22:35, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
I have created this article -- Ignatian pedagogical paradigm -- based on several sources and would appreciate additional hands on it. Thanks. Marikafragen ( talk) 22:33, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
I wanted to advise interested parties that a discussion has been opened at WP:CFD regarding Category:Roman Catholic Church organizations. Here is a link to the discussion. -- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 22:54, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Where's the map of the Roman Catholic dioceses of Canada? -- Jaques O. Carvalho ☜ 22:56, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
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To my surprise, there's no geographic categorisation for monasteries; there's a Category:Roman Catholic monasteries by order, but the Russian Orthodox are the only faith to get their own "___ monasteries by country" metacategory, and Category:Christian monasteries in the United States by denomination only has Orthodox and Anglican monastery categories. Is this situation the result of a discussion, or is it simply because nobody's created geographic categories for Catholic monasteries? Nyttend ( talk) 01:59, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
From Father Z's blog. The Catholic Herald, a great newspaper in the UK, has placed its full archives online going back to the 1930s. Subscriptions are £40 per year. This could be a great source for articles here. Elizium23 ( talk) 13:42, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
The preeminent Catholic lay organization has been nominated by yours truly for Good Article. If you would like to review Knights of Columbus click here--it's only #201 in the queue! Arrrgggghhh!!!! – Lionel ( talk) 03:28, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
I lack the expertise to know how to delete a page but boy is there one worthy of deletion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visit_to_the_Blessed_Sacrament
It's redundant with the article on Eucharistic Adoration, except much worse. 108.243.188.132 ( talk) 17:47, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering if anyone here could take a look at the article and ensure I used the terms correctly (such as Holy See vs. Vatican, apostolic vicariate, novitiate, etc.) . I'm not very well-versed at writing articles about Catholicism, let alone bishops. Thanks beforehand! — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 08:37, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm having some real trouble explaining the concept of dedicating a church in the Categories for discussion page. Could someone who is better at explaining Catholic concepts to non Catholics (or for that matter Anglican or Orthodox concepts) please explain why dedicating a church to a saint is not simply "naming" a church. I am having extreme trouble explaining this, even when 15 other Wikipedias (including all the main languages) are allowing this.
I'm sure it's my abiliy to explain rather than their willingness or ability to comprehend that's at fault.
JASpencer ( talk) 19:21, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
In ictu oculi has asked me to post Talk:Resurrection of the dead here. More specifically, I presume, Talk:Resurrection of the dead#Requested move 2012-06-25. Esoglou ( talk) 18:43, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Template:Roman Catholic Dioceses - United States has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
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See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Metz_Accord Lectiodifficilior ( talk) 06:10, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Someone who is knowledgeable in the ways of archiving, could you have a look at Talk:Society of Jesus and fix it/explain to me why nothing is being archived there? Thanks. Elizium23 ( talk) 05:55, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to bring to your attention this discussion which hints to an ongoing issue including similar biographical voices (as this shows, the voice Pope Julius III is also in need of serious update). Regards, -- RCarmine ( talk) 18:12, 16 August 2012 (UTC) (contributor to it:Progetto:Cattolicesimo)
I have begun to add these articles to the Project umbrella. I have been very innactive here for some time. I hope there are a few here that can help improve this article with some stronger historical church documentation. A vatican expert on papal heraldry, would a great addition as the Vatican Website is being used with undue weight and editors are attempting to parse the information without references when this should be an easily covered subject from the Vatcan sources. Also outside sources from mainstream opinion that can confirm claims etc would be great. I have just begun research into this area and it seems extremely interesting.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 21:10, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
I have some doubts about the edits of Jay Fitzgerald. They look to be biased, but am not sure. Can someone take a look at the edits to see if they are neutral or not? The Banner talk 00:46, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
About 20 articles, see Cardinal of Ho Chi Minh City Jean-Baptiste Phạm Minh Mẫn -> Pham Minh Man etc. Where these moves discussed or notified at all at WikiProject Catholicism? Because it looks as though the most reliable sources retain them. This is a major mass move, and if removing the baptismal name should be done via WP:RM. I was considering reverting all 20 or so undiscussed moves as controversial - but would like to check with WP:Catholicism to get second, third and fourth opinion first. In ictu oculi ( talk) 13:41, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Another one: Joseph Marie Trình Như Khuê Archbishop of Hanoi from 1960-1978, moved to " Trinh Nhu Khue". In ictu oculi ( talk) 08:41, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
At Commons, I've uploaded photos of a number of stained-glass windows from Catholic churches. I've been able to identify most of the subjects, but the right-hand window in the photo has stumped me. Another editor has identified him as Ferdinand III of Castile, but I have my doubts: the editor is Brazilian, so likely to identify Iberian saints; but the church was established in an area of Nebraska settled primarily by Germans and Bohemians (with some Irish Catholics in the parish as well). The current parish priest, who's of Spanish descent, couldn't put a name to the figure on the window, adding to my doubt that it's F3. Any suggestions? A reply at my talk page would be appreciated. Thanks. Ammodramus ( talk) 16:38, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
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I have nominated Gregory of Nazianzus for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.-- Redtigerxyz Talk 13:28, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Natural marriage for discussion. Elizium23 ( talk) 22:08, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Please see Template talk:Christianity#"Eastern Catholic" is not a denomination for a discussion. Thank you. Elizium23 ( talk) 03:59, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi folks, we are having some ongoing problems regarding the appointment of successor bishops in dioceses and the policy of
WP:CRYSTAL as it applies between the dates of appointment and installation. As discussed extensively at
Talk:Charles J. Chaput, the effects of an episcopal appointment are very limited compared to the enthronement/installation, which happens a couple months later. I will use as an example,
Salvatore J. Cordileone, bishop of Oakland. Upon receipt of his new appointment to San Francisco, the bishop obtained the power and obligations of a Diocesan Administrator of the Diocese of Oakland. He remains bishop of Oakland. He gains the title, "Archbishop-designate of San Francisco". The see does not become vacant. The resignation of
George Hugh Niederauer has been accepted; Niederauer remains archbishop of San Francisco. (see below for revised analysis) At this point, succession boxes should not be changed, infoboxes should not be changed. Lead paragraphs can be supplemented to include the new announcement, but the information already there, about being bishop of Oakland or Niederauer being archbishop of San Francisco, that should not be deleted. It is strongly encouraged to place in the body of the article a description of the events of July 27, the appointment and the resignation. This is where that information belongs. Add references, because there are plenty. The installation ceremony happens in a couple months from now. When you watch that installation ceremony on live streaming video, and the Apostolic Letter is read to the whole assembly, and the archbishop takes his seat on the
cathedra, then you can go ahead and update the infoboxes, add the succession box, change the lede paragraphs, and all that jazz. But all that jazz is currently happening immediately upon news of the appointment, and this is wrong, this is a violation of
WP:CRYSTAL, and I am at 3RR on certain articles without your help, so more eyes would be appreciated. Thank you.
Elizium23 (
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There is a bit of confusion in the world about these three terms. Here is the true story. Latin Rite is more or less a slang or portmanteau of the other two. It is a more common term than the other two combined, and even used by Popes and officials in the Church, but it is not strictly "official", because the other two are in Canon Law and the majority of Church documents. Here is the distinction: read the articles for the full story, but the Latin Church is the sui iuris Church in communion with Rome. It encompasses several rites, the largest of which is the Roman Rite, which includes the extraordinary form and the ordinary form of the Mass. The Latin Church is somewhat unique in that it does encompass several rites unlike all the Eastern Churches which each celebrate in a single rite. Now, I am trying to establish a basis for changing occurrences of "Latin Rite" in articles to the official terms so that it is not so ambiguous. The drawback is that Wikipedia must report reliable secondary sources which will often use the confusing term "Latin Rite" and we must report it that way; changing it would even be original research. But, if it is clear from the article text which official term is implied, and the sources don't specifically mention a term, then I suggest we change it to the official term for clarity. It would indeed be very helpful if the use of the confusing term Latin Rite is greatly reduced here on Wikipedia so it would reduce usage worldwide. Elizium23 ( talk) 10:37, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
Jackie Hudson is up for a peer review. Your review would be appreciated. Thanks, -- Guerillero | My Talk 00:22, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
This is a request for help for editing as regards Catholic etiquette. This is a rather minor matter, but I am currently in a dispute with a small group of editors regarding the inclusion of the initials of a person's community in bold at the start of an article. The MOS speaks of postnominal initials as "honorifics", such as OBE and KM, and indicate that they should not be bolded. I, on the other hand, consider these postnominal initials as part of a person's name indicating heritage, the equivalent of Jr. or Sr.
A small group of editors, who are open about having no familiarity with religious matters, are in strong disagreement with me, taking a strict interpretation of this phrasing. They have repeatedly and systematically changed the format I have used. There have also been a few comments made which I find somewhat unsettling. So I would appreciate the input of the editors in this project in this matter. The discussion can be seen on the Talk page for the MOS. [1] Daniel the Monk ( talk) 17:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
I can't find a notability guideline dealing with bishops or other clergymen. Can someone who is familiar with the area weigh in at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jean-Nicolas Lemmens? It would also be great if someone can point me to the related guideline or if this wikiproject has a notability essay. Ryan Vesey 16:03, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Kirishitan and History of Roman Catholicism in Japan. The first article seems to be heavily OR and duplicate. I left a note on WP Japan as well. In ictu oculi ( talk) 20:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
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Could someone please assess Homosexuality and Roman Catholic priests? I'd like to get it on the board, but I probably shouldn't rate it myself, since I would probably rate its quality as lower and its importance as higher than is justified. Thanks. Openverse ( talk) 23:11, 23 December 2012 (UTC)