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Again, welcome! Amadscientist ( talk) 22:00, 20 August 2012 (UTC) reply

Vatican as ultimate authority on claims about the Vatican

To my knowledge there is no restriction based on your claims that only the Vatican Website and its information can be used as an ultimate authority on Vatican subjects on Wikipedia. The website is just an official page. Please, also be aware of the guidelines here: Wikipedia:No legal threats as repeated claims of the type left on the talkpage [1] of the article seems uncomfortably close. Basicly all you are saying here is that the Vatican can decide it's logo by law and no other publication can contradict that. To me that is just stating an opinion on the legitimacy of the all books and blogs that counter argue facts found on the Vatican webiste. This does not appear on its face to be a violation of the policy, but going beyond that to discuss legality and the Vatican rights of authority could be seen as such. Please use caution.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 23:04, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply

Flanker's thesis

Do you think Flanker's argument that the Holy See does not have a coat of arms will win support from other editors? Esoglou ( talk) 18:55, 22 August 2012 (UTC) reply

No, there is documented proof the Holy See has a coat of arms in the refernces provided. Even if other eidtors think the press release does not necessarily describe a coat of arms for both the Holy See and Vatican State, it does not state there is no coat of arms for the See. Things exist even when not mentioned, and lack of mention does not prove non-existance. Bellae artes ( talk) 12:28, 23 August 2012 (UTC) reply
So let's see if my rebuttal of Flanker's thesis on the talk page is enough. Esoglou ( talk) 14:55, 23 August 2012 (UTC) reply

Re: other points of interest

Hi, I had noticed that there was an ongoing issue with these voices, and posted a notice here. I have learned that wikipedia is not a place for the truth, but only a place where we collect information that is found on reliable sources. I haven't seen the sources been quoted in those voices in detail, but if they are questionable then we can mention that in the talk pages. Regards, -- RCarmine ( talk) 20:28, 25 August 2012 (UTC) reply

Stalking

I notice that over the past few days you have made edits to a number of articles to which I have substantially contributed:

It is unlikely that we share exactly the same tastes in order for this to be a coincidence. I can only conclude therefore that you have been stalking me to look at what articles I have contributed to and then amending them each time to a contrary point of view. If you continue to do this then I shall make a formal complaint against you. Contaldo80 ( talk) 14:03, 29 August 2012 (UTC) reply

My interest in papal articles has nothing to do with you. I was not even aware of your existance until you undid my edits on one page, then on another, then on anoth... hmm, seems you were WP:STALKING me. It is quite understandable that if I have interest in the papacy I would be active on several pages about the popes and papal related material, many articles you seem to have no interest in. Your addition of rumours to articles did prompt a look into your edit history, but I did not single out your edits, revert your edits or edit the articles to a contrary point as you claim (clear from the fact I did not turn the LGBT timeline into a hetersexual timeline, nor did I turn the article about same-sex marriage in the U.K. into hetersexual marriage). Bellae artes ( talk) 12:29, 14 September 2012 (UTC) reply
To claim that an interest in papal history followes a logical path from [[Julius III] to Timeline of LGBT history and then to Same-sex marriage in the United Kingdom is disingenuous. There is no papal connection. The connection is LGBT issues which I myself have an interest in. You have been warned. Contaldo80 ( talk) 14:56, 14 September 2012 (UTC) reply

The redirect Coats of arms of the Holy See and of the Vatican City has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 25 § Coats of arms of the Holy See and of the Vatican City until a consensus is reached. Veverve ( talk) 09:01, 25 September 2023 (UTC) reply

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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elcome to Wikipedia Bellae artes, from WP:WER
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Again, welcome! Amadscientist ( talk) 22:00, 20 August 2012 (UTC) reply

Vatican as ultimate authority on claims about the Vatican

To my knowledge there is no restriction based on your claims that only the Vatican Website and its information can be used as an ultimate authority on Vatican subjects on Wikipedia. The website is just an official page. Please, also be aware of the guidelines here: Wikipedia:No legal threats as repeated claims of the type left on the talkpage [1] of the article seems uncomfortably close. Basicly all you are saying here is that the Vatican can decide it's logo by law and no other publication can contradict that. To me that is just stating an opinion on the legitimacy of the all books and blogs that counter argue facts found on the Vatican webiste. This does not appear on its face to be a violation of the policy, but going beyond that to discuss legality and the Vatican rights of authority could be seen as such. Please use caution.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 23:04, 21 August 2012 (UTC) reply

Flanker's thesis

Do you think Flanker's argument that the Holy See does not have a coat of arms will win support from other editors? Esoglou ( talk) 18:55, 22 August 2012 (UTC) reply

No, there is documented proof the Holy See has a coat of arms in the refernces provided. Even if other eidtors think the press release does not necessarily describe a coat of arms for both the Holy See and Vatican State, it does not state there is no coat of arms for the See. Things exist even when not mentioned, and lack of mention does not prove non-existance. Bellae artes ( talk) 12:28, 23 August 2012 (UTC) reply
So let's see if my rebuttal of Flanker's thesis on the talk page is enough. Esoglou ( talk) 14:55, 23 August 2012 (UTC) reply

Re: other points of interest

Hi, I had noticed that there was an ongoing issue with these voices, and posted a notice here. I have learned that wikipedia is not a place for the truth, but only a place where we collect information that is found on reliable sources. I haven't seen the sources been quoted in those voices in detail, but if they are questionable then we can mention that in the talk pages. Regards, -- RCarmine ( talk) 20:28, 25 August 2012 (UTC) reply

Stalking

I notice that over the past few days you have made edits to a number of articles to which I have substantially contributed:

It is unlikely that we share exactly the same tastes in order for this to be a coincidence. I can only conclude therefore that you have been stalking me to look at what articles I have contributed to and then amending them each time to a contrary point of view. If you continue to do this then I shall make a formal complaint against you. Contaldo80 ( talk) 14:03, 29 August 2012 (UTC) reply

My interest in papal articles has nothing to do with you. I was not even aware of your existance until you undid my edits on one page, then on another, then on anoth... hmm, seems you were WP:STALKING me. It is quite understandable that if I have interest in the papacy I would be active on several pages about the popes and papal related material, many articles you seem to have no interest in. Your addition of rumours to articles did prompt a look into your edit history, but I did not single out your edits, revert your edits or edit the articles to a contrary point as you claim (clear from the fact I did not turn the LGBT timeline into a hetersexual timeline, nor did I turn the article about same-sex marriage in the U.K. into hetersexual marriage). Bellae artes ( talk) 12:29, 14 September 2012 (UTC) reply
To claim that an interest in papal history followes a logical path from [[Julius III] to Timeline of LGBT history and then to Same-sex marriage in the United Kingdom is disingenuous. There is no papal connection. The connection is LGBT issues which I myself have an interest in. You have been warned. Contaldo80 ( talk) 14:56, 14 September 2012 (UTC) reply

The redirect Coats of arms of the Holy See and of the Vatican City has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 25 § Coats of arms of the Holy See and of the Vatican City until a consensus is reached. Veverve ( talk) 09:01, 25 September 2023 (UTC) reply


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