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My current focuses on articles about college women basketball players, although this discussion have some impact on professional players as well. It is quite common to add a section on historical statistics for basketball players. Many of these entries follow a similar format, although there are some custom formats. There may be some good reason for custom formats and I don't propose enforcing uniformity for uniformity sake, but there may also be instances where a brand-new editor, unfamiliar with standard presentations of this data, chooses their own format simply due to lack of knowledge of other articles. As I look at the standard formats I see some shortcomings. I created a new format as an example, and I would like
In the above table I've listed various statistics. The first column has an abbreviation appropriate for a heading, while the explanation provides more detail and is appropriate for a legend. the next three columns list potential legends:
The first two are the most commonly used, and the third is one I created recently. The next column identifies information sent to the NCAA for recording in their database The final column represents the statistics presented in the media guide of Arkansas. (different schools may record different sets of information but many use the same provider so this is I believe a typical example) Note that the NBA and WNBA legend are almost identical. The WNBA legend adds turnovers per game. The WNBA legend also suggests that an asterisk can be used to identify league leaders but this is rarely used for college players. Other than that, the content of the two legends is virtually identical although the format is slightly different. I have used the NBA legend in many instances. However, this portrays only a subset of available stats. I'm not about to suggest that all available stats should be portrayed, but I do propose a modest increment. I'd like to add minutes and rebounds. I also slightly reorganize the order, starting with the first few columns unchanged, inserted minutes before minutes per game, inserting rebounds before rebounds per game, then the three shooting percentages and then finally the three other stats that are only presented on a per game basis.
I propose merging {{
NBA player statistics start}}, {{
Euroleague player statistics start}}, {{
WNBA player statistics start}}, {{
Basketball player statistics start}} and {{
PBA player statistics start}} (there may be more of these, but I did not look for them) into a single template since there is absolutely no reason to have five (maybe more) almost identical templates. –
Sabbatino (
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08:46, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
It appears that the creator of this discussion decided to ignore this discussion and has continued adding his/her preferred format to woman basketball BLPs. In addition, I cannot believe that an administrator would do such a thing and start acting disruptively by ignoring other editor's opinions. –
Sabbatino (
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13:42, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
I don't see a compelling reason for women's basketball to display raw totals for minutes, points, rebounds or anything beyond games and games started. Averages are sufficient and preferred.— Bagumba ( talk) 00:59, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Media GuidesI did a cursory review of the media guides. I selected them by doing an Internet search and looking at the first 10 in the list. The schools reported stats on almost identical formats. Some schools reported game started as well as games, although some reported only games. Some broke out rebounds into offensive and defensive in addition to totals some reported only totals. There are also some minor differences such as whether fouls and foul outs were reported. However, my conclusion is that for these media guides the important stats are either reported as both raw numbers and ratios, or as only raw numbers. I didn't find an example of a single staff in the media guides that is reported only as a ratio to games. Obviously, I concede that ESPN has a location reporting only ratios, but that seems to be the exception.
References
I never understood schools not computing averages. If you look at DIVISION I MEN’S BASKETBALL RECORDS from NCAA for 2020–21, starting at p. 38, all the annual leaders are listed by average. Maybe some oild-time SIDs still don't know how to use spreadsheets.— Bagumba ( talk) 17:29, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
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It is clear that some participants firmly in favor of ratios. I think we can eat our cake and have it too.
I will include a toy example here:
YEAR | GP | MPG | APG | BK |
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1995-96 | 34 | 18.56 | 1.15 | 0.59 |
1996-97 | 28 | 17.86 | 1.25 | 0.54 |
YEAR | GP | MIN | A | BK |
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1995-96 | 34 | 631 | 39 | 20 |
1996-97 | 28 | 500 | 35 | 15 |
An example with real data can be seen in User:Sphilbrick/Stats example
There are two differences compared to what I have been doing.
First, I haven't been a big fan of using the big box for a legend such as {{ NBA player statistics legend}} but it was my impression that the header row with abbreviations such as {{ NBA player statistics start}} would fall afoul of Accessibility concerns, but I recently learned, to my surprise
Abbreviations are exempt from these requirements, so the {{ abbr}} template (a wrapper for the
<abbr>...</abbr>
element) may be used to indicate the long form of an abbreviation (including an acronym or initialism).
so I switched to using a single row header with abbreviations.
The second change is while I default to showing the ratios, I include a radio box below the table allowing the user to switch over to totals, or they can see both. This concept of having alternative presentations is well-established. See for example, the alternative map presentations info box of Alliance,_Ohio. S Philbrick (Talk) 13:56, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
You are invited to discuss a BIG3 champions navbox at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2021_June_23#Template:BIG3_Champions.— Bagumba ( talk) 04:59, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Just want to let everyone know that Crossover1370 ( talk · contribs) has recreated Portal:Basketball. Previous deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Basketball was pretty clear. – Sabbatino ( talk) 05:42, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Hey, any way we can probably get some extra hands on guard at pages related to Chinese Basketball Association? I've noticed a lot of vandalism at team pages and the just finished season page this past week (some articles have already been protected for this reason), with it seeming to have stemmed from a large vandal history at Shanghai Sharks in the same timeframe. Thanks! Jalen Folf (talk) 04:03, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
New stub: Cannabis and sports. Any project members care to help with the Basketball section? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:49, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
So, I've come across some WNBA players whose lead sentence describes them as American-Turkish or whatever, and who are categorized as emigrants to Turkey or American expats in Turkey. I know that male basketball players who get released from the NBA at 25 or whatever might go to Italy and play basically their entire career there instead, maybe living there full time, and it would be reasonable to describe them that way as that's where they played the major portion of their career.
WNBA players play overseas during the WNBA off-season because they earn so little (until recently the median WNBA player made under $60K) that to support their families, they annually play a second season overseas. It's a side gig. (Hopefully the new CBA changes that.)
Yeah, some of them have to get second passports in order to play for whatever teams, but their primary career is in the WNBA. At any rate, I was told at BLPN that some wikiprojects have MOS on this, and I just wanted to check whether I needed to get some consensus here before I started changing these from things like "American-Turkish" to "American. She also holds a Turkish passport." or whatever seems appropriate for a particular article. —valereee ( talk) 11:28, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Seeing as they are going on their 4th season I feel it's about time that BIG3 should have accomplishments recognized in info boxes. I understand that the rules are different from the FIBA ways but it's clear that they have formed a league that has reached another level then many expected and are the first major 3 on 3 league that gets national attention. Eerie Holiday ( talk) 17:06, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
While we are at it, I have serious concerns about The Basketball League and the current American Basketball Association. In my opinion neither of these leagues receive enough coverage to make them meet WP:GNG. You can’t even find scores or stats online for them. At least the Big3 has a TV contract. Rikster2 ( talk) 13:14, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
I think BIG3 accomplishments should be shown in info boxes. The league skipped a season due to COVID-19. The league is getting more and more attention everyday. You have coaches like Julius Erving, Gary Payton, and other NBA legends. Joe Johnson is tearing up the league right now bring more attraction to it. How much more real can it get?? Markwayne125467 ( talk) 15:13, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
There is an ongoing dispute as to whether players drafted by NBA teams should have their draft team added to their infobox before they have signed a contract. I argue that we should wait to see if the player actually signs a contract with a team; in every past NBA draft, there have been between 2 and 5 players who have not signed contracts despite being drafted. If you would like to add to the discussion, please do so here.-- User:Namiba 18:09, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello - There is a team timeline on Canadian Elite Basketball League that's somehow broken, and I can't see why it's displayed as it is....that is, it has no text displayed within it. An IP made what appears to be a valid edit on Feb 16 2021, but it seems to be the change that broke the formatting of the timeline. Can somebody please have a look and hopefully fix it? Thanks in advance! PK T(alk) 15:57, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Hey everyone, As it happens, many match boxes of Template:Basketballbox collapsible are duplicated throughout the project, as many of them appear in at least 3 locations: The tournament season, home team and away team. This causes much repetitive work and can lead to having mismatching information on similar match boxes.
To solve this problem, I've created Template:2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup qualification (Europe) – Qualifiers matches for 2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup qualification (Europe) § Qualifiers as a proof of concept. The Template is already transcluded to the groups stage first round page, as well as to every participating team page.
With This template, information of every match is maintained and updated in a single location and transcluded into all three. The benefits of using the template, besides savings of effort and code, are that it still allows for coloring of the match boxes for the winner and loser, as I've explained in the talk page of the template. Here is s simple demonstration with the match of Slovakia vs. Belgium, assuming for the this demonstration that Slovakia won the match.
{{2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup qualification (Europe) – Qualifiers matches|Slovakia v Belgium}}
25 November 2021 | Slovakia | 57–83 | Belgium | Levice | ||
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18:00 | Scoring by quarter: 11–15, 24–21, 11–25, 11–22 | |||||
Pts:
Brodziansky,
Krajčovič 18 Rebs: Brodziansky 8 Asts: three players 3 |
Boxscore | Pts:
Libert 17 Rebs: Mwema, Van Vliet 6 Asts: Obasohan 6 |
Arena:
Športová hala Levice Attendance: 0 Referees: Yener Yılmaz (TUR), Carsten Straube (GER), Ventsislav Velikov (BUL) |
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{{2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup qualification (Europe) – Qualifiers matches|Slovakia v Belgium|round=1|bg=#CCFFCC}}
25 November 2021 | Slovakia | 57–83 | Belgium | Levice | ||
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18:00 | Scoring by quarter: 11–15, 24–21, 11–25, 11–22 | |||||
Pts:
Brodziansky,
Krajčovič 18 Rebs: Brodziansky 8 Asts: three players 3 |
Boxscore | Pts:
Libert 17 Rebs: Mwema, Van Vliet 6 Asts: Obasohan 6 |
Arena:
Športová hala Levice Attendance: 0 Referees: Yener Yılmaz (TUR), Carsten Straube (GER), Ventsislav Velikov (BUL) |
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{{2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup qualification (Europe) – Qualifiers matches|Slovakia v Belgium|round=1|bg=#FFCCCC}}
25 November 2021 | Slovakia | 57–83 | Belgium | Levice | ||
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18:00 | Scoring by quarter: 11–15, 24–21, 11–25, 11–22 | |||||
Pts:
Brodziansky,
Krajčovič 18 Rebs: Brodziansky 8 Asts: three players 3 |
Boxscore | Pts:
Libert 17 Rebs: Mwema, Van Vliet 6 Asts: Obasohan 6 |
Arena:
Športová hala Levice Attendance: 0 Referees: Yener Yılmaz (TUR), Carsten Straube (GER), Ventsislav Velikov (BUL) |
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Enjoy. It will save a lot of effort in the future.
Deancarmeli (
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08:03, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
The articles on NBA seasons contain no section with an explicit list of the competing teams (with wikilinks to their seasons' articles, I'd expect). That role is filled by the section reporting the results for the regular season, which is counterintuitive.
By the way, the name of that section is not uniform throughout all articles: seasons up to 2009-10 have it named "Standings" (which is ambiguous at best), the most recent ones have a more explicit "Regular season" section. Should we apply a standard form to all of them? -- 176.247.236.239 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 13:22, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Instead of the typical dual citizenship (Mexican-American), why do infoboxes for basketball players with multiple citizenship use slashes / like "Mexican / American"? -- 62.165.249.184 ( talk) 15:37, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
Do all North American amateur leagues (other than NCAA) use IAABO rules? Royal Autumn Crest ( talk) 21:42, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Are there any hard rules or policy if a team subsection gets to be made in a player's article. I'm under the impression that usually we only make team subsection if a player actually plays competitive games for said team because usually there isn't much to be said regarding a player's stay in a team they did not play with. (e.g. "John Doe joined the Los Angeles Lakers in 2018. He later joined Golden State in 2019 where he made his NBA debut and later became the team's season MVP for that season" would be under a subsection dedicated to "Golden State Warriors" only).
However in Kai Sotto's case, he joined the NBA G League Ignite but did not play a single competitive game with the team and later went on to play in Australia with the Adelaide 36ers. But I believe that a separate section for Ignite is warranted because...
Mandomanny313 seems to insists that a subsection should not be created for a team a player didn't play a game in a regular season at all.
Any feedback on what should be proper approach to present Sotto's stay with Ignite Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 18:53, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
Just to let the project know, editing the formatting of the results on articles such as the national team articles like Great Britain men's national basketball team are getting locked behind templates. Appears to be a WP:SUBSTITUTE violation as far as I am aware. :/ Govvy ( talk) 15:23, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
There is a titling RFC at Wikipedia talk:Article titles that will affect many articles at this project. There was discussion of making the RfC handled bit by bit before all projects understood the ramifications with entertainment being singled out next in a deleted draft, and other projects after that. Whether you agree or don't agree please join in the discussion for this massive Wikipedia change. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 10:39, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
@ Bagumba:, @ Rikster2:, @ Sabbatino: Hey guys. What are your thoughts about this user going through infoboxes and making mass changes citing WP:INFONAT. Thanks. DaHuzyBru ( talk) 06:21, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
I have nominated Paige Bueckers for featured article consideration, and would appreciate any comments at the FAC page. Sportzeditz ( talk) 17:07, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zack Weiner. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 14:16, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
While reading about Alison Downie, I came to the page Dandenong Rangers, which seems to have been rebranded to the Southside Flyers. I was wondering if this shouldn't be merged to one page as it is the same team and the Flyers seem to consider Rangers' history as their own? -- SuperJew ( talk) 21:21, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Cliff Clinkscales for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 21:11, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
There is currently pending at RfC: Abolish the current version of NSPORTS a proposal to eliminate NSPORTS, including WP:NHOOPS. Feel free to weigh in there if you have thoughts on the issue. Cbl62 ( talk) 02:30, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
A new proposal is now pending to add language to NSPORT (and no other SNG) providing, among other things, that "meeting [NSPORTS or NBASKETBALL] would not serve as a valid keep argument in a deletion discussion." The new proposal is targeted solely at NSPORTS and would not impose similar changes on SNGs for academics, entertainers, politicians, businessmen, or any other group or category. If you have views on this proposal, one way or the other, please feel free to add your comments at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Subproposal 1 (NSPORT). Cbl62 ( talk) 14:55, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
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My current focuses on articles about college women basketball players, although this discussion have some impact on professional players as well. It is quite common to add a section on historical statistics for basketball players. Many of these entries follow a similar format, although there are some custom formats. There may be some good reason for custom formats and I don't propose enforcing uniformity for uniformity sake, but there may also be instances where a brand-new editor, unfamiliar with standard presentations of this data, chooses their own format simply due to lack of knowledge of other articles. As I look at the standard formats I see some shortcomings. I created a new format as an example, and I would like
In the above table I've listed various statistics. The first column has an abbreviation appropriate for a heading, while the explanation provides more detail and is appropriate for a legend. the next three columns list potential legends:
The first two are the most commonly used, and the third is one I created recently. The next column identifies information sent to the NCAA for recording in their database The final column represents the statistics presented in the media guide of Arkansas. (different schools may record different sets of information but many use the same provider so this is I believe a typical example) Note that the NBA and WNBA legend are almost identical. The WNBA legend adds turnovers per game. The WNBA legend also suggests that an asterisk can be used to identify league leaders but this is rarely used for college players. Other than that, the content of the two legends is virtually identical although the format is slightly different. I have used the NBA legend in many instances. However, this portrays only a subset of available stats. I'm not about to suggest that all available stats should be portrayed, but I do propose a modest increment. I'd like to add minutes and rebounds. I also slightly reorganize the order, starting with the first few columns unchanged, inserted minutes before minutes per game, inserting rebounds before rebounds per game, then the three shooting percentages and then finally the three other stats that are only presented on a per game basis.
I propose merging {{
NBA player statistics start}}, {{
Euroleague player statistics start}}, {{
WNBA player statistics start}}, {{
Basketball player statistics start}} and {{
PBA player statistics start}} (there may be more of these, but I did not look for them) into a single template since there is absolutely no reason to have five (maybe more) almost identical templates. –
Sabbatino (
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08:46, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
It appears that the creator of this discussion decided to ignore this discussion and has continued adding his/her preferred format to woman basketball BLPs. In addition, I cannot believe that an administrator would do such a thing and start acting disruptively by ignoring other editor's opinions. –
Sabbatino (
talk)
13:42, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
I don't see a compelling reason for women's basketball to display raw totals for minutes, points, rebounds or anything beyond games and games started. Averages are sufficient and preferred.— Bagumba ( talk) 00:59, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Media GuidesI did a cursory review of the media guides. I selected them by doing an Internet search and looking at the first 10 in the list. The schools reported stats on almost identical formats. Some schools reported game started as well as games, although some reported only games. Some broke out rebounds into offensive and defensive in addition to totals some reported only totals. There are also some minor differences such as whether fouls and foul outs were reported. However, my conclusion is that for these media guides the important stats are either reported as both raw numbers and ratios, or as only raw numbers. I didn't find an example of a single staff in the media guides that is reported only as a ratio to games. Obviously, I concede that ESPN has a location reporting only ratios, but that seems to be the exception.
References
I never understood schools not computing averages. If you look at DIVISION I MEN’S BASKETBALL RECORDS from NCAA for 2020–21, starting at p. 38, all the annual leaders are listed by average. Maybe some oild-time SIDs still don't know how to use spreadsheets.— Bagumba ( talk) 17:29, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
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It is clear that some participants firmly in favor of ratios. I think we can eat our cake and have it too.
I will include a toy example here:
YEAR | GP | MPG | APG | BK |
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1995-96 | 34 | 18.56 | 1.15 | 0.59 |
1996-97 | 28 | 17.86 | 1.25 | 0.54 |
YEAR | GP | MIN | A | BK |
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1995-96 | 34 | 631 | 39 | 20 |
1996-97 | 28 | 500 | 35 | 15 |
An example with real data can be seen in User:Sphilbrick/Stats example
There are two differences compared to what I have been doing.
First, I haven't been a big fan of using the big box for a legend such as {{ NBA player statistics legend}} but it was my impression that the header row with abbreviations such as {{ NBA player statistics start}} would fall afoul of Accessibility concerns, but I recently learned, to my surprise
Abbreviations are exempt from these requirements, so the {{ abbr}} template (a wrapper for the
<abbr>...</abbr>
element) may be used to indicate the long form of an abbreviation (including an acronym or initialism).
so I switched to using a single row header with abbreviations.
The second change is while I default to showing the ratios, I include a radio box below the table allowing the user to switch over to totals, or they can see both. This concept of having alternative presentations is well-established. See for example, the alternative map presentations info box of Alliance,_Ohio. S Philbrick (Talk) 13:56, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
You are invited to discuss a BIG3 champions navbox at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2021_June_23#Template:BIG3_Champions.— Bagumba ( talk) 04:59, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Just want to let everyone know that Crossover1370 ( talk · contribs) has recreated Portal:Basketball. Previous deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Basketball was pretty clear. – Sabbatino ( talk) 05:42, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Hey, any way we can probably get some extra hands on guard at pages related to Chinese Basketball Association? I've noticed a lot of vandalism at team pages and the just finished season page this past week (some articles have already been protected for this reason), with it seeming to have stemmed from a large vandal history at Shanghai Sharks in the same timeframe. Thanks! Jalen Folf (talk) 04:03, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
New stub: Cannabis and sports. Any project members care to help with the Basketball section? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:49, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
So, I've come across some WNBA players whose lead sentence describes them as American-Turkish or whatever, and who are categorized as emigrants to Turkey or American expats in Turkey. I know that male basketball players who get released from the NBA at 25 or whatever might go to Italy and play basically their entire career there instead, maybe living there full time, and it would be reasonable to describe them that way as that's where they played the major portion of their career.
WNBA players play overseas during the WNBA off-season because they earn so little (until recently the median WNBA player made under $60K) that to support their families, they annually play a second season overseas. It's a side gig. (Hopefully the new CBA changes that.)
Yeah, some of them have to get second passports in order to play for whatever teams, but their primary career is in the WNBA. At any rate, I was told at BLPN that some wikiprojects have MOS on this, and I just wanted to check whether I needed to get some consensus here before I started changing these from things like "American-Turkish" to "American. She also holds a Turkish passport." or whatever seems appropriate for a particular article. —valereee ( talk) 11:28, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Seeing as they are going on their 4th season I feel it's about time that BIG3 should have accomplishments recognized in info boxes. I understand that the rules are different from the FIBA ways but it's clear that they have formed a league that has reached another level then many expected and are the first major 3 on 3 league that gets national attention. Eerie Holiday ( talk) 17:06, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
While we are at it, I have serious concerns about The Basketball League and the current American Basketball Association. In my opinion neither of these leagues receive enough coverage to make them meet WP:GNG. You can’t even find scores or stats online for them. At least the Big3 has a TV contract. Rikster2 ( talk) 13:14, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
I think BIG3 accomplishments should be shown in info boxes. The league skipped a season due to COVID-19. The league is getting more and more attention everyday. You have coaches like Julius Erving, Gary Payton, and other NBA legends. Joe Johnson is tearing up the league right now bring more attraction to it. How much more real can it get?? Markwayne125467 ( talk) 15:13, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
There is an ongoing dispute as to whether players drafted by NBA teams should have their draft team added to their infobox before they have signed a contract. I argue that we should wait to see if the player actually signs a contract with a team; in every past NBA draft, there have been between 2 and 5 players who have not signed contracts despite being drafted. If you would like to add to the discussion, please do so here.-- User:Namiba 18:09, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello - There is a team timeline on Canadian Elite Basketball League that's somehow broken, and I can't see why it's displayed as it is....that is, it has no text displayed within it. An IP made what appears to be a valid edit on Feb 16 2021, but it seems to be the change that broke the formatting of the timeline. Can somebody please have a look and hopefully fix it? Thanks in advance! PK T(alk) 15:57, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Hey everyone, As it happens, many match boxes of Template:Basketballbox collapsible are duplicated throughout the project, as many of them appear in at least 3 locations: The tournament season, home team and away team. This causes much repetitive work and can lead to having mismatching information on similar match boxes.
To solve this problem, I've created Template:2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup qualification (Europe) – Qualifiers matches for 2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup qualification (Europe) § Qualifiers as a proof of concept. The Template is already transcluded to the groups stage first round page, as well as to every participating team page.
With This template, information of every match is maintained and updated in a single location and transcluded into all three. The benefits of using the template, besides savings of effort and code, are that it still allows for coloring of the match boxes for the winner and loser, as I've explained in the talk page of the template. Here is s simple demonstration with the match of Slovakia vs. Belgium, assuming for the this demonstration that Slovakia won the match.
{{2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup qualification (Europe) – Qualifiers matches|Slovakia v Belgium}}
25 November 2021 | Slovakia | 57–83 | Belgium | Levice | ||
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18:00 | Scoring by quarter: 11–15, 24–21, 11–25, 11–22 | |||||
Pts:
Brodziansky,
Krajčovič 18 Rebs: Brodziansky 8 Asts: three players 3 |
Boxscore | Pts:
Libert 17 Rebs: Mwema, Van Vliet 6 Asts: Obasohan 6 |
Arena:
Športová hala Levice Attendance: 0 Referees: Yener Yılmaz (TUR), Carsten Straube (GER), Ventsislav Velikov (BUL) |
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Note: |
{{2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup qualification (Europe) – Qualifiers matches|Slovakia v Belgium|round=1|bg=#CCFFCC}}
25 November 2021 | Slovakia | 57–83 | Belgium | Levice | ||
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18:00 | Scoring by quarter: 11–15, 24–21, 11–25, 11–22 | |||||
Pts:
Brodziansky,
Krajčovič 18 Rebs: Brodziansky 8 Asts: three players 3 |
Boxscore | Pts:
Libert 17 Rebs: Mwema, Van Vliet 6 Asts: Obasohan 6 |
Arena:
Športová hala Levice Attendance: 0 Referees: Yener Yılmaz (TUR), Carsten Straube (GER), Ventsislav Velikov (BUL) |
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Note: |
{{2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup qualification (Europe) – Qualifiers matches|Slovakia v Belgium|round=1|bg=#FFCCCC}}
25 November 2021 | Slovakia | 57–83 | Belgium | Levice | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
18:00 | Scoring by quarter: 11–15, 24–21, 11–25, 11–22 | |||||
Pts:
Brodziansky,
Krajčovič 18 Rebs: Brodziansky 8 Asts: three players 3 |
Boxscore | Pts:
Libert 17 Rebs: Mwema, Van Vliet 6 Asts: Obasohan 6 |
Arena:
Športová hala Levice Attendance: 0 Referees: Yener Yılmaz (TUR), Carsten Straube (GER), Ventsislav Velikov (BUL) |
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Note: |
Enjoy. It will save a lot of effort in the future.
Deancarmeli (
talk)
08:03, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
The articles on NBA seasons contain no section with an explicit list of the competing teams (with wikilinks to their seasons' articles, I'd expect). That role is filled by the section reporting the results for the regular season, which is counterintuitive.
By the way, the name of that section is not uniform throughout all articles: seasons up to 2009-10 have it named "Standings" (which is ambiguous at best), the most recent ones have a more explicit "Regular season" section. Should we apply a standard form to all of them? -- 176.247.236.239 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 13:22, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Instead of the typical dual citizenship (Mexican-American), why do infoboxes for basketball players with multiple citizenship use slashes / like "Mexican / American"? -- 62.165.249.184 ( talk) 15:37, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
Do all North American amateur leagues (other than NCAA) use IAABO rules? Royal Autumn Crest ( talk) 21:42, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Are there any hard rules or policy if a team subsection gets to be made in a player's article. I'm under the impression that usually we only make team subsection if a player actually plays competitive games for said team because usually there isn't much to be said regarding a player's stay in a team they did not play with. (e.g. "John Doe joined the Los Angeles Lakers in 2018. He later joined Golden State in 2019 where he made his NBA debut and later became the team's season MVP for that season" would be under a subsection dedicated to "Golden State Warriors" only).
However in Kai Sotto's case, he joined the NBA G League Ignite but did not play a single competitive game with the team and later went on to play in Australia with the Adelaide 36ers. But I believe that a separate section for Ignite is warranted because...
Mandomanny313 seems to insists that a subsection should not be created for a team a player didn't play a game in a regular season at all.
Any feedback on what should be proper approach to present Sotto's stay with Ignite Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 18:53, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
Just to let the project know, editing the formatting of the results on articles such as the national team articles like Great Britain men's national basketball team are getting locked behind templates. Appears to be a WP:SUBSTITUTE violation as far as I am aware. :/ Govvy ( talk) 15:23, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
There is a titling RFC at Wikipedia talk:Article titles that will affect many articles at this project. There was discussion of making the RfC handled bit by bit before all projects understood the ramifications with entertainment being singled out next in a deleted draft, and other projects after that. Whether you agree or don't agree please join in the discussion for this massive Wikipedia change. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 10:39, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
@ Bagumba:, @ Rikster2:, @ Sabbatino: Hey guys. What are your thoughts about this user going through infoboxes and making mass changes citing WP:INFONAT. Thanks. DaHuzyBru ( talk) 06:21, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
I have nominated Paige Bueckers for featured article consideration, and would appreciate any comments at the FAC page. Sportzeditz ( talk) 17:07, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zack Weiner. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 14:16, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
While reading about Alison Downie, I came to the page Dandenong Rangers, which seems to have been rebranded to the Southside Flyers. I was wondering if this shouldn't be merged to one page as it is the same team and the Flyers seem to consider Rangers' history as their own? -- SuperJew ( talk) 21:21, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Cliff Clinkscales for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 21:11, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
There is currently pending at RfC: Abolish the current version of NSPORTS a proposal to eliminate NSPORTS, including WP:NHOOPS. Feel free to weigh in there if you have thoughts on the issue. Cbl62 ( talk) 02:30, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
A new proposal is now pending to add language to NSPORT (and no other SNG) providing, among other things, that "meeting [NSPORTS or NBASKETBALL] would not serve as a valid keep argument in a deletion discussion." The new proposal is targeted solely at NSPORTS and would not impose similar changes on SNGs for academics, entertainers, politicians, businessmen, or any other group or category. If you have views on this proposal, one way or the other, please feel free to add your comments at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Subproposal 1 (NSPORT). Cbl62 ( talk) 14:55, 22 January 2022 (UTC)