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I've been told that linking the bolding team names in team season articles, is no longer allowed. If this is so? it hasn't been applied evenly. GoodDay ( talk) 00:08, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 19:24, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
I would like to request a re-grading of the Nick Solak article, to which I have just made several small tweaks. Especially, please address my concern of potentially citing a single source too much, and I would appreciate a ping if you respond. Moreover, would it be advisable to nominate it for good article, once the "needs expansion" tag (which I've added) is addressed? Thank you, NotReallySoroka ( talk) 02:17, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Major League Baseball has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. OnlyFixingProse ( talk) 05:38, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
I'm just seeing this now. I don't know if I'm able to take the lead on getting this GA-ready again, but I'm happy to help as I did with the original GA nomination. The reassessment nomination is a bit lean on detail, but it seems like we might be able to start by looking for unsourced statements, if anyone is interested. Larry Hockett ( Talk) 21:14, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Max Fried for FA based on my best judgement, being fairly familiar with the subject matter. I believe that the page meets the criteria, but you are allowed to close it if you think other wise. -- NotReallySoroka ( talk) 03:49, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.
)and turns it into something like
It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{ cite web}}, {{ cite journal}} and {{ doi}}.
The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.
This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 16:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi editors, I'm M and I work with Minute Media. I had made some requests over at The Players' Tribune and a few other WikiProject talk pages and haven't heard anything. I was hoping someone here might be willing to take a look. I think this is of interest to WikiProject Baseball because The Players' Tribune was founded by Derek Jeter and a lot of baseball players write for the site. I know I can't make changes myself because of my conflict of interest. I'd really appreciate the help! M at MinuteMedia ( talk) 15:14, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
Currently, there is a base article for MLB Little League Classic, plus an article for each individual game, from the 2017 MLB Little League Classic through the most recently created 2022 MLB Little League Classic page (there is no 2020 article, as that edition was canceled). I propose reducing content to just the base article, and deprecating articles for each individual game of this series. Ultimately, these are simply regular-season games, and providing a full linescore and detailed box score for such games is WP:UNDUE. Notable aspects of the series (e.g. linkage to the Little League World Series) is well-covered in the base article, along with a table of results for the annual playings. Any items of note about a particular edition of the game can be highlighted in the base article. Comments from other editors? Dmoore5556 ( talk) 03:27, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Adding pings to other editors found in History of the articles: @ Esolo5002:, @ Jellysandwich0:, @ Lawnmowerchair58:, @ GalaxyFighter55:, @ BigDawg50:, @ DeAllenWeten:, @ Sue Kastle:, @ Cclark0:, @ Muboshgu:, @ Ruhrfisch:, and @ Dale Arnett:. Dmoore5556 ( talk) 16:14, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
As I believe we've reached a consensus, this looks to be a WP:DOIT situation and I'll merge content at some point in the next day or so. Dmoore5556 ( talk) 17:52, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
I've requested protection for the 2022 New York Yankees season article, due to a vandalising (ever changing) mobile editor. Do be on the look out, should this mobile editor start targeting other team season articles. GoodDay ( talk) 01:44, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
What’s the arguments against him being classified as a world champion? Other than being on the WS roster? Understandable for players who really didn’t play or contribute much but he played like an mvp and the braves needed every win they got. He carried the team the first half of the season. Also CBS sports and other sports writer have named him a world champion. 2600:1700:89B0:1920:D10D:78E5:52D:ECC5 ( talk) 18:34, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
( ←) I dug around on baseball-reference to see if I could find what their inclusion/exclusion policy was to have a World Series banner at the top of a player's page. I found nothing, so I emailed them (via sports-reference) & heard back.
Thanks for your question. Our standard is that a player must have either appeared in a postseason game, or been on the World Series roster. Gore's postseason appearances in 2015 and 2022 mean he is listed as a 2x champion, whereas Zito, Cain and Acuña missed out on the postseasons in the years mentioned.
The 4 players mentioned above were ones that were mentioned the 4 discussions I linked above (Gore is Terrance Gore, Cain is Matt Cain, Zito is Barry Zito). Rgrds. -- Bison X ( talk) 09:27, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
FYSA: RSN discussion on the Bullpen subdomain of the baseball-reference.com site. I realize this has been discussed here often before, but wanted to make sure there are no lingering concerns before I start going through 3000 links. Kuru (talk) 18:10, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
This was nominated for deletion, so I'm inviting the project to the discussion. Neonblak talk - 18:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (baseball players) needs an update. Some of the examples given are inaccurate as they are redirects to their current locations. We have Example:
Bill Blair (Negro leagues pitcher) and
Bill Blair (American Association pitcher)
, which redirect to
Bill Blair (1940s pitcher) and
Bill Blair (1880s pitcher), respectively, and Example:
Lee King (outfielder, born 1892) and
Lee King (outfielder, born 1894)
, which redirect to
Lee King (outfielder) and
Lee King (utility player). The second example should probably just be swapped out for another example. But clarification is also needed. When a "Chad Smith" debuted for the Rockies last week, I set up his page at
Chad Smith (2020s pitcher) to distinguish him from
Chad Smith (2010s pitcher), but they have since been moved to
Chad Smith (baseball, born 1995) and
Chad Smith (baseball, born 1989). –
Muboshgu (
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17:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
If all previous steps are still insufficient, then use the players' year of birth.The rationale presumably being, "Most people don't know a player's exact birth year, but might sorta know when they played. The edit summary for the move of
Per Javy Guerrais not applicable, since the Guerras' careers overlapped.— Bagumba ( talk) 19:48, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Thoughts on replacing {{ Infobox Negro World Series}} with {{ Infobox baseball championship series}} which is used on World Series pages? I mocked up a sample for what it'd look like with 1924 Colored World Series. Here's a side-by-side look:
Proposed version {{ Infobox baseball championship series}} |
Current version {{ Infobox Negro World Series}} | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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{{Infobox Negro World Series |year = 1924 |altname=co |team1 = '''[[Kansas City Monarchs]]''' |team1_1 = '''6''' |team1_2 = 0 |team1_3 = 6 |team1_4 = 3 |team1_5 = 3 |team1_6 = '''6''' |team1_7 = '''4''' |team1_8 = '''3''' |team1_9 = 3 |team1_10 = '''5''' |team1_tot = '''5''' |team1_short = Kansas City |team1_manager = [[José Méndez]] |team2 = [[Hilldale Club]] |team2_1 = 2 |team2_2 = '''11''' |team2_3 = 6 |team2_4 = '''4''' |team2_5 = '''5''' |team2_6 = 5 |team2_7 = 3 |team2_8 = 2 |team2_9 = '''5''' |team2_10 = 0 |team2_tot = 4 |gm3_ei=* |gm7_ei=* |table-note=* indicates extra innings |team2_short = Hilldale |team2_manager = [[Frank Warfield]] |format = Best-of-nine |HOFers = '''''Kansas City:''''' [[José Méndez]] (mgr.), [[Bullet Rogan]],<br> '''''Hilldale''''': [[Judy Johnson]], [[Biz Mackey]],<br> [[Louis Santop]] |dates = October 3–20 |location1 = {{nowrap|Philadelphia: [[Baker Bowl]] <small>(1,2)</small>}} |location2 = {{nowrap|Baltimore: [[Maryland Baseball Park]] <small>(3,4)</small>}} |location3 = {{nowrap|Kansas City: [[Muehlebach Field]] <small>(5,6,7)</small>}} |location4 = {{nowrap|Chicago: [[Schorling Park]] <small>(8,9,10)</small>}} }} |
Feel free to discuss below.– Aidan721 ( talk) 00:44, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
|format=
can be added to Infobox baseball championship series, if it's deemed important enough. I don't see a reason why it should be important for one series and not others, so there should be consistency, which can be achieve by sharing a generic template.—
Bagumba (
talk)
05:41, 20 May 2022 (UTC)Hi. Please see AFDs here here here here here and here on KBO League players. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 14:48, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
In relation to the above two discussions. I've undone 'recent' unilateral changes to the 1920 in baseball to 1935 in baseball pages, concerning how to list the baseball leagues' records. IMHO, the American League & National League, should be separate from the other baseball leagues. GoodDay ( talk) 00:24, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Is it time to add these standings to the season pages for 1920 through 1948? Baseball Reference considers these to be full major league seasons and lists them along with the American and National Leagues.
For example, 1920 may look like this. However, there are a few outstanding issues:
American League
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National League
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Negro National League
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Absolutely I think this should be done since MLB is clear and unambiguous that certain Negro leagues are to be considered "major," but I think there is too much uncertainty that needs to be nailed down before 1 editor just starts doing it unilaterally. Jhn31 ( talk) 19:46, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
No, as the teams weren't members of Major League Baseball & none of the teams played for the World Series. Best we not try to right the wrongs. GoodDay ( talk) 20:07, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
(ec)MLB itself has decided certain Negro leagues to have been "major,"
. There are so many things wrong with that: MLB has no special powers to wave a magic wand and sweep away their injustices. </soapbox> It is important to note that while the Negro leagues were major leagues, and Major League Baseball is major league, only the National & American League are Major League Baseball. I agree that the Federal League should be moved to
1914 in baseball &
1915 in baseball. I do think it is applicable to combine the sections in (for example)
1922 in baseball so that the Negro leagues are under the same lower case heading "major league baseball." I'll do that post-haste.
I will say that the Negro league standings are outdated as most of them are from Holway's 2001 book. If you want to, all of those standings should be updated per seamheads.com. It's on my to-do list, but I'm not working on it right now. Rgrds. -- Bison X ( talk) 20:44, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Regarding the template: the |input=overallWinLoss
parameter setting can be used to specify that the input format is the overall win-loss record. Regarding the layout: the standing tables do not have to be placed in a side-by-side layout with a fixed number of columns. They can be stacked vertically or a flexible column layout could be used (see {{
Col-float}} or {{
Div col}}).
isaacl (
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15:37, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
The article on Defensive Runs Saved consistently capitalizes the fully spelled-out name of the stat (it's always "Defensive Runs Saved", not "defensive runs saved"). Is this correct? Compare with other stats such as Run batted in and Fielding percentage. Just checking. Dmoore5556 ( talk) 22:55, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
SABR player bios are obviously wonderful resources, particularly for historical players. I have two questions for the project:
Thanks. -- Jprg1966 (talk) 22:09, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Template:Infobox baseball team has been completely changed the last couple of days by User:Aidan721. I haven't seen any discussion about this? Did I miss something? It has broken all of the NPB team pages (and I assume many others as well) and removed much of the information from these infoboxes. Also, now these infoboxes look completely different from Template:Infobox MLB. Honestly, I don't even understand why MLB teams have a separate infobox from all other baseball teams to begin with, but now the difference is even more glaring. Can someone shed some light on these changes? -- Torsodog Talk 05:09, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
I've modified the sandbox of this {{ Infobox baseball league championship series}} and of {{ Infobox baseball championship series}} to convert {{ Infobox baseball league championship series}} into a wrapper template of {{ Infobox baseball championship series}} as they are largely the same. This will help the templates maintain consistencies in styling over time. See the testcases to see how the appearance remains the same. Join the discussion here. – Aidan721 ( talk) 15:57, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:MLB at Field of Dreams that may be of interest. It was opened September 2021 and had been idle since April; I posted to it today. Input should be placed there. Dmoore5556 ( talk) 17:46, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Hey all, I'm having difficulty finding a reliable source that Chip Caray attended/graduated from Parkway West High School (Missouri). All I'm finding online are the usual celebrity click-bait sites, and those don't usually meet WP:RS and WP:BLP. Can anyone help find a reliable source for this? Thanks. BilCat ( talk) 20:08, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
At 1981 National League Championship Series I removed discussion of future playoff matchups between the teams in question, as these are not a direct consequence of the 1981 series (in this case, the events occurred over 30 years later). A subsequent edit restored this info, in a reworded form. In my view, aftermath sections should be limited to events that are a direct consequence of the subject of the article. What does everyone think? isaacl ( talk) 05:05, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
More feedback is welcome in order to help establish a consensus view. Thanks! isaacl ( talk) 05:29, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
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We've got the Federal League & stats, re-added to the 1914 & 1915 MLB season pages. I'm no longer certain what direction this WikiProject is headed in. I wish you luck in adopting your proposals.
GoodDay (
talk)
20:00, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Question: Should the Federal League records be included in the 1914 MLB season & the 1915 MLB season? GoodDay ( talk) 05:06, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
I don't recall any consensus to add the 1914 & 1915 Federal League records to the 1914 & 1915 Major League Baseball season pages. IMHO, they should be deleted from those two pages. GoodDay ( talk) 20:24, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
References
I've been looking in the archives but can't find anything off-hand so I'm doing this from memory, but originally there was "1915 in baseball." Somewhere between 2007 & 2012, the MLB seasons were split from these articles for size reasons, I think. The "in baseball" pages were meant to house AA, UA, PL, Japanese, Korean, Negro and other major leagues. I don't think the intention was to move the FL. If the FL is included, then it should "1915 in major league baseball" (no caps) & then all post-WWII pages should also include Japan baseball, etc. But then what is the point of "1915 in baseball?" Rgrds. -- Bison X ( talk) 21:29, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
So this discussion totally died, but I see that the Federal League standings were unilaterally removed from the 1914 and 1915, despite MLB considering the Federal League to be part of "Major League Baseball" in its records, and modern day sources listing it this way. Thoughts? Jhn31 ( talk) 04:44, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
This ultimately feels like a semantic – or should that be syntactic? – issue: the difference between major league baseball (the concept) and Major League Baseball (the contractual agreement between the AL and NL, that ultimately united as one organisation in 2000). Feels like there's a vitally important distinction in that capitalisation.
Personally, I lean towards omission, on three counts: one, the article title being in capitals means it was intended solely for covering Major League Baseball (the latter), not all major leagues (the former). No, MLB as a singular organisation didn't exist until 2000, but it was absolutely referred to in reliable sources as such before then nonetheless, and it's not our place to dismiss that, but rather to reflect and summarise it. Two, the given sources do not describe the FL as being part of Major League Baseball (the latter), but rather as being a major league (the former). Even the modern sources very deliberately use lower case. (Also, naming standards are such that it's "[Year] [Competition] season" for specific competitions, and "[Year] in [concept]" for broader concepts; it would be "1914 in major league baseball" if it were to include the FL.) Three, we don't include the Negro Leagues on their respective MLB season pages, despite their recent reassessment as major leagues, with the singular exception of 1940 Major League Baseball season for some reason. (Granted, this could be revised at any point on similar grounds, but still. (Edited later: I now see there's discussion about above, on this very page, heh.))
It feels to me like the best solution here would be pretty much how it is already: not included in the MLB pages, but grouped together as major leagues on 1914 in baseball et al. (Note the non-capitalisation in the section header that covers their standings as is.) I don't think we should separate them on the yearly baseball pages, though, as that would be to ignore the absolute agreement of reliable sources that it was a major league. Buttons to Push Buttons ( talk | contribs) 17:02, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
The plain fact is that the 1914 & 1915 FL records are recognized as part of the MLB record book officially, as well as by significant outside bodies like SABR and Baseball Reference. And they have been for decades. We cannot insist on some sort of non-existent, WP:OR standard based on membership of its franchises in a decades-later organization. MLB as it is currently constituted did not exist in 1915. Nor did it exist in 1968. What did exist in the latter was the two leagues that came to a settlement with the Federal League owners in 1915. And that included giving them the option to recognize those records.
There is no good reason not to include them in the respective MLB season articles, where they had already been included for years. In fact, leaving them out constitutes a factual error. Period. I'm restoring the years old inclusion of them. oknazevad ( talk) 03:32, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Thank goodness nobody's trying to put WHA teams in the 1971–72 to 1978–79 NHL season pages. GoodDay ( talk) 03:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
The other day, I decided to be WP:BOLD and removed the steroid-related articles from Template:Major League Baseball. Oknazevad reverted me, and so to complete the WP:BRD cycle, I am looking for community consensus to remove some of these items, and having those articles instead linked by the Template:Doping in baseball navbox that I created.
My arguments: (1) these articles were added to Template:MLB via WP:RECENTISM in 2014, not long after the Biogenesis scandal broke. [1]. As its now 2022, it's good to reassess the importance of PEDs in MLB. As the wave of news coverage on PED-usage and suspensions have decreased since it has become a common and routine occurrence for a player to be suspended, it's WP:UNDUE to give so much weight in the big MLB navbox to that issue. Further, (2) some of these articles are really insignificant compared to articles on the World Series, draft, rivalries, interleague play, etc. that one would expect in a MLB navbox. Do we really need to be giving that much importance to Jose Canseco's two books ( Juiced (book) and Vindicated (book))? Game of Shadows? The Mitchell Report? BALCO? The Bonds perjury trial? I don't think so. I would argue the Black Sox Scandal has more WP:LASTING impact on MLB, and it's not in this navbox.
I agree with leaving Major League Baseball drug policy and List of Major League Baseball players suspended for performance-enhancing drugs in the navbox, but I do not believe the other articles belong there. I welcome the thoughts of others. – Muboshgu ( talk) 17:13, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
That article could then also be included in {{ Major League Baseball}}, removing any need for the lower level pages in the template.— Bagumba ( talk) 17:28, 18 July 2022 (UTC)There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template.
it appears that immaculate innings are not standard accomplishments listed in infoboxes for pitchers that have completed one. the only players who have immaculate innings mentioned in their infoboxes are the players tied for most in their career (sandy koufax, chris sale, max scherzer).
historically, an immaculate inning is MUCH rarer than the no hitter (by an order of about 3x as rare). it should be included in career accomplishments and highlights, and while not necessarily well known amongst the general population or "casual" viewer, i'd imagine the difference between a no hitter and perfect game remains about as obscure as the concept of the immaculate inning. with these innings becoming more common, they should be addressed. 2600:1005:B0F0:6A9C:3D43:8A30:F493:7B72 ( talk) 04:57, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Should induction into a team's hall of fame be listed in a biography's infobox?
I believe there was never a formal consensus on this. However, I see many FAs with HOFs listed in their infobox: Babe Ruth, Jackie Robinson, Bob Feller, Casey Stengel, Derek Jeter, Harmon Killebrew, Jim Thome, Mariano Rivera, Ozzie Smith, Rogers Hornsby, Stan Coveleski, Stan Musial, Billy Martin, and Lee Smith. Per WP:PROPOSAL:
Most commonly, a new policy or guideline documents existing practices, rather than proposing a change to what experienced editors already choose to do.
I believe including team HOFs in the infobox is already a widespread, de facto practice, that should be reflected at WP:BASESTYLEPL. — Bagumba ( talk) 05:15, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Rinku Singh (wrestler)#Requested move 8 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 08:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated T206 Honus Wagner for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:49, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello. There is an issue with the current tournament brackets used in MLB pages, such as {{ 8TeamBracket-MLB}} and {{ 10TeamBracket-MLB}}. The background colors used cause an accessibility issue. Specifically, neither the red nor the blue background is WCAG AAA compatible for standard blue links and purple visited links. Per MOS:COLOR, we should be meeting the AAA standard whenever possible. It is in my opinion that the colors are largely unnecessary, and we should be using the standard grey background that is ued for every other team bracket, such as {{ 8TeamBracket}}. Nonetheless, the accessibility issue should be addressed. – Pbrks ( t • c) 05:47, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
Can I get a second opinion on
this edit? It seems to me that the Tatís suspension is different from ARod's in exactly the most meaningful way--he wasn't suspended for an entire year--but on the other hand, it's true he isn't going to play for all of the 2022 season. I just didn't realize that we do 2015-2020, 2022-present
anytime someone misses a year for any reason, if that's true.
Alyo (
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13:32, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
A proposal to eliminate WP:NBASE is underway. It can be viewed at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Proposal to eliminate WP:NBASE. Cbl62 ( talk) 16:06, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Would appreciate input at this discussion, concerning the 'new' playoff format. GoodDay ( talk) 17:46, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
An RM has been opened. GoodDay ( talk) 15:33, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
FWIW - The pages League Championship Series & Division Series have been moved to League championship series & Division series without going through the RM process & thus failing to obtain a consensus for such page moves. GoodDay ( talk) 16:12, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
I've left a notice at the RM at Major League Baseball Wild Card Game. -- GoodDay ( talk) 03:56, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
After doing some searching through the talk page archives and reviewing the WikiProject's MOS, I haven't been able to find any uniform guidelines on how to present stats in the prose of an article. If they in fact don't exist, I think it's prudent that we create a standard. Something in particular I've seen is that there is a lot of variation in whether single-digit stats are presented as digits or spelled out (e.g. Trout had 8 RBI in the game vs. Trout had eight RBI in the game). I think most people would lean towards spelling such numbers out, but it should be clarified regardless. Another question is which stats should or should not be included in prose and what order they should go in. I think the latter question has some more flexibility. Sewageboy ( talk) 20:23, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Continuing the discussion from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball/Archive 48 § Aftermath sections: following that discussion, I removed the passage in question once again, but the other editor has restored it. Participation at Talk:1981 National League Championship Series#Aftermath is welcome to discuss the matter further. isaacl ( talk) 04:46, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tom Butters (baseball)#Requested move 5 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 16:20, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
I've noticed several pages (example) 2022 American League Wild Card Series, 2019 National League Wild Card Game, List of American League Wild Card winners & sections/subsections (example) National League Wild Card at 2022 Major League Baseball season, tend to use "Wild Card" rather then "wild card". Which is actually the correct form? Uppercase or lowercase. GoodDay ( talk) 04:06, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
On Tuesday night, in the National League wild card game at Nationals Park...[3]— Bagumba ( talk) 18:06, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
An RM has been opened up, concerning League Championship Series and Division Series. -- GoodDay ( talk) 03:52, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Note: RM was closed as 'not moved'. Thus remaining League Championship Series and Division Series. GoodDay ( talk) 03:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated the article Two-ball for deletion. As the article appears in Category:Baseball terminology, it may be of interest to some editors here. Dmoore5556 ( talk) 04:11, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Update: it has been deleted. Dmoore5556 ( talk) 06:57, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
The category Category:Pages using infobox MLB yearly with unknown parameters currently contains over 1200 entries, the vast majority of which appear to be due to the use of two invalid/deprecated fields: "logo" and "Uniform logo". It would be helpful to edit the infoboxes of articles listed in the Category to remove those two specific invalid fields, so the Category can be used to spot and resolve new(er) mistakes. Might someone here know how to / be able to construct a bot to do that? Dmoore5556 ( talk) 07:06, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Last night, Ezequiel Tovar's wiki page was tagged as a copyright violation and deleted per WP:G12. It was an innocent mistake for the tagger and deleting admin to have made, as the page was split without proper attribution, noting that it was split from an existing page.
Please read
Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Whenever you split a minor league player from a minor league player page, write an edit summary that explains what you are doing. On the new page, write something like Copied content from [[<page name>]]; see that page's history for attribution
. On the "minor league player" page, don't just delete the content, but add a similar edit summary that says where you're splitting it to, as I have seen editors assume incorrectly that it is an
illegitimate blanking situation.
This saves everybody time in the end. Thank you. – Muboshgu ( talk) 16:32, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Maybe he now meets GNG? Chicago Cubs minor league players#Matt Mervis Articles about him every day. 2603:7000:2143:8500:75B2:5004:43A1:9FC0 ( talk) 00:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello WikiProject Baseball members. As 2022 postseason will have 12 baseball teams competing (6 teams each on both American and National leagues), can we make a template of 12 teams in a bracket for the postseason article? I made a draft template on my sandbox page here, so I request for a template review on my sandbox template page if it's ready or not before the playoffs begin? I don't know where to remove unnecessary lines between the wild card series and the division series columns from the unneeded boxes that I certainly can't find the code? -- Allen ( talk / ctrb) 07:35, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
|RD1-seed1=
, |RD1-seed2=
, etc, as seen at
2022 Major League Baseball postseason#Playoff bracket. –
Pbrks (
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17:41, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Myself & @ Jhn31: are in dispute about how to show the Angels, in the Template:2005 AL West standings to the Template:2015 AL West standings. I think the team should be shown as Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. Where's he thinks it should be shown as Los Angeles Angels. We can't both be correct. GoodDay ( talk) 15:58, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Batted ball/1 - I originally wrote this back in my early days as an editor, when I didn't realize the b-ref bullpen was user-generated. Now nominated for removal as a good article, as I don't have the time or energy to fix the referencing here. Hog Farm Talk 00:18, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi Baseball community. I have recently created D. J. Mitchell (basketball). I am keen to find out if this community would be receptive to moving D. J. Mitchell to D. J. Mitchell (baseball). Thanks. DaHuzyBru ( talk) 13:48, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
I noticed in the 1981 postseason & 1995-present postseason pages' infoboxes, we include the semi-final losers. I realise these were added due to the Division Series. But wouldn't it be best if we limited the infoboxes, to the World Series champion & runner-up? GoodDay ( talk) 19:35, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
The article about Brian Wolfe is being edited by a number of people from the same IP range, some claiming to be a child of his, others claiming he has no children. Can someone investigate this. Mind matrix 17:00, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Seth Brown (baseball)#Requested move 3 October 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 20:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Boxscore links on some previous years' playoff games are broken, e.g. this [4] on 2016 National League Wild Card Game (and several subsequent years, plus AL games, etc.). 192.104.199.208 ( talk) 02:27, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
I proposed adding the team abbreviations to the infoboxes (or at least the articles bodies) here. Please state your opinion. Thanks. -- Angus ( talk) 14:23, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Are any of them real? Some of their additions are still there and some aren't. Sagittarian Milky Way ( talk) 21:46, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Are any of Nolan Ryan's no-hitters notable enough to have their own article? 100.7.44.80 ( talk) 19:32, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
I propose adding a president field to the Template:Infobox MLB yearly template. The template currently allows owners, presbo, general managers, and managers to be listed, but lacks a field for the team president. Teams have had presidents since the start of organized baseball, many notable, and a majority of MLB teams have navboxes for their presidents (see Category:Major League Baseball president navigational boxes, capitalization issues notwithstanding). By comparison, use of a "President of Baseball Operations" (presbo) title in MLB doesn't seem older than the 1960s. Addition of a president field to the template would be straightforward, and the president would appear after owners and before presbo in the infobox. Comments welcome. Dmoore5556 ( talk) 03:32, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
In the last 10 or so years, the sports world has introduced the title president of 'any sport' operations. I don't know if this is a new position or merely a name replacement of president or team president. Kinda like how in ice hockey, 25-30 years ago, coach got replaced with head coach. GoodDay ( talk) 20:52, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Done I have added the parameter. – Muboshgu ( talk) 01:06, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
LoisJS ( talk) 18:49, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
I've just nominated Sahlen Field for a good article reassessment -- it's a minor league baseball stadium. The original GA nominator hasn't edited in a month so I've come here in the hope of finding someone willing to try to keep the GA status for the article. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 00:29, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
In the past, I've reverted edits such as this one that added a hypothetical playoff bracket to the 1994 World Series article. Given that it would have been the first year of a new playoff format, though, does anyone think it might be desirable to have a prose description in an article such as 1994 Major League Baseball season describing what teams would have been made the playoffs based on the final 1994 standings? This would help illustrate the new format. I still feel including a bracket in any article is unnecessary, and think it should be removed from the 1994 World Series article. isaacl ( talk) 20:41, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Our coverage of the Negro leagues needs a ton of work. Season articles for the greatest Negro league teams would be a good starting point. Ten such teams are listed below in order of page views, and only two have received even 1,000 views (both of those appeared at DYK in 2020). Any suggestions on how these should be improved? On how to attract viewers/editors to these articles? Cbl62 ( talk) 18:45, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
Rank | Title | Size | Page views |
Description |
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1 | 1932 Detroit Wolves season | 21,354 | 5,244 | EWL pennant, 29–9 record, featuring five BHOF inductees: Cool Papa Bell (CF), Mule Suttles (1B), Willie Wells (SS), Ray Brown (P), and Smokey Joe Williams (P) |
2 | 1919 Detroit Stars season | 62,286 | 2,011 | 44–18 (.710) record, starring three BHOF inductees: OF Pete Hill (.396), OF Oscar Charleston, and SS José Méndez |
3 | 1931 Homestead Grays season | 2,175 | 823 | 34–21–1 (.616), seven in BHOF: manager Cumberland Posey, 1B Oscar Charleston; C Josh Gibson; 3B Jud Wilson; P Bill Foster, P Smokey Joe Williams, and P Satchel Paige |
4 | 1936 Pittsburgh Crawfords season | 2,176 | 676 | NNL pennant, 48–33–2 (.590) record, six in BHOF: player/manager Oscar Charleston; CF Cool Papa Bell; C Josh Gibson; 3B Judy Johnson; and P Satchel Paige |
5 | 1935 Pittsburgh Crawfords season | 2,126 | 481 | NNL pennant, 51–26–3 (.656) record, four BHOF inductees: player/manager Oscar Charleston; CF Cool Papa Bell; C Josh Gibson; and 3B Judy Johnson. |
6 | 1942 Kansas City Monarchs season | 2,342 | 479 | NAL pennant, 35–17 (.673) record, three BHOF inductees: CF Willard Brown; P Hilton Smith; and P Satchel Paige |
7 | 1937 Homestead Grays season | 2,735 | 455 | NNL pennant, 60–19–1 (.756) record, six in BHOF, including C Josh Gibson, 1B Buck Leonard, SS Willie Wells, 3B Ray Dandridge, P Ray Brown. |
8 | 1926 Chicago American Giants season | 2,462 | 446 | NNL pennant, 60–21–3 (.732) record, Rube Foster was owner/manager, RF Jelly Gardner (.331), Bill Foster (13–4, 1.63 ERA) |
9 | 1943 Washington Homestead Grays season | 3,465 | 422 | NNL pennant, 78–23–1 (.770) record, five BHOF inductees: C Josh Gibson, LF Cool Papa Bell, 1B Buck Leonard, 3B Jud Wilson, and P Ray Brown |
10 | 1923 Kansas City Monarchs season | 2,706 | 397 | NNL pennant, 61–37 (.622) record, starring RF Oscar Johnson (.402 BA, .722 SLG, 120 RBI), SS Dobie Moore, P Bullet Rogan, CF Wade Johnston |
Cbl62 ( talk) 18:45, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
Forgive me if this has come up before, but I couldn't find it in the archive. Would editors be opposed to having a spot on the MLB club infobox for the club's current Spring Training park? I wouldn't suggest showing the entire park history like we do for the home ballpark, but just show the current Spring Training park. This information would be helpful if it was in the same place. I notice some articles don't mention the Spring Training parks at all while some mention it in the lead. Nemov ( talk) 19:00, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
An IP has repeatedly changed the infobox to hide the fact that Verlander missed all of the 2021 season. Attempts to explain on the talk page that this is standard procedure for baseball articles have failed, so I am bringing it here to get more eyes on the situation. LEPRICAVARK ( talk) 00:53, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
IP is causing problems across other MLB pages. I think it's best we escort the IP off the premises. GoodDay ( talk) 01:02, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Omitting the year from the date range is the standard way we have handled any absence from playing in an MLB game in a single year. Look at the articles for any players who took time away to serve in the war ( Joe DiMaggio, Ted Williams). This is not something specific to Verlander and should be handled consistently as other articles, unless the consensus were changed. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 ( talk • contributions) 17:39, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
The 2022 NSPORTS RfC added a requirement that all sports articles are required to have a source that contains significant coverage of the topic. To help identify sports articles that lack this I've created Template:No significant coverage (sports); please add it to any such articles that you encounter, and if you are looking for an article to improve the relevant categories may be useful. BilledMammal ( talk) 13:00, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
The discussion is at WP:Articles for deletion/List of Major League Baseball players with unidentified given names. I'm posting here because I can't access the SABR report which seems like the only reference likely to discuss these players "as a group or set" as required by WP:NLIST, and I'm not sure what other sources might be out there or where to find them. Hatman31 ( talk) 04:05, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
I've removed the semifinalist losers & removed mentioning of how many times the World Series runner-up appeared in the World Series. We should limit the infobox to the World Series Champion (number titles) & the runner-up. For example at 2022 Major League Baseball postseason's infobox - Do we really need to know who lost in the ALCS & NLCS? Furthermore, do readers really need to know that it was the Phillies 8th trip to the WS? Isn't having the Astros 2nd title description, enough? GoodDay ( talk) 06:26, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
@ Muboshgu: what's your view on this. I could accept the addition of the semifinal losers. But do readers really need to know how many times the WS loser has been to the WS? We don't show how many times the WS winner has been been to the WS. GoodDay ( talk) 15:57, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
Alex9234, at @ Nagol0929: & Muboshgu's talkpages, you seem to describe the MLB postseason pages as being your articles. Whether you created them or not, is irrelevant. They're now public domain & so anybody can make improvements. We don't need your permission. GoodDay ( talk) 01:43, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Anyone know if there's been an effort to create an article about winter baseball leagues, or if the topic may already be covered somewhere? There are a number of active winter leagues, but I'm not aware of any article that provides an overview or context in the manner of, for example, the existing article about collegiate summer baseball.
Currently active are: Dominican Professional Baseball League (LIDOM), Puerto Rican Winter League (LBPRC), Venezuela Winter League (LVBP), Cuban National Series, Mexican Pacific League (LMP), Colombian Professional Baseball League (LPB), Panamanian Professional Baseball League (Probeis), and Australian Baseball League per this article plus others than are defunct (e.g. Hawaii Winter Baseball and Arizona Winter League). Dmoore5556 ( talk) 00:29, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
I've worked hard to make updates to Module:Sports table/WLHA so that it can encompass the details of {{ MLB standings}} and standardize the standings templates across WP. Check out how it looks for the 1901 season on my sandbox page here and compare it to the current version here. Open to thoughts and ideas about any changes. I'll be testing how more recent standings templates transfer over as well, including WC standings. – Aidan721 ( talk) 23:33, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
It is here: Talk:Ty Cobb#RfC: What should we give as Ty Cobb's lifetime batting average? if anyone is interested. Herostratus ( talk) 04:50, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Months after it happened, I read (I did not participate, although I agree with the outcome) in this discussion about whether to describe MLB stadiums as "stadiums" or "ballparks". The way I read it, there's a clear consensus to go with "baseball stadium". That seems like the most specific term available, as not all "ballparks" are stadiums, but MLB stadiums certainly are stadiums. I'm borrowing a little here from @ Torsodog:'s comment in that discussion. Now one of the editors who disagreed is apparently running to a bunch of those article's lead sentences and changing it back to his preferred choice. I feel, as a discussion already occurred and consensus was reached, that we should go with that result unless a new discussion reaches a clear consensus to do something different.
===Should the term Baseball Stadium be used universally in the lead?===
I believe this should be withdrawn and reworded, as it's based on a false premise. There are ALREADY multi-use stadiums that are not designated as "ballparks" or "baseball stadiums". This Yes/No survey is, given the current state of MLB stadium articles, offering a false choice. In addition, it's not the same question, at all, that was offered in the original discussion. That discussion applied ONLY to stadiums that weren't multi-use. This question appears to lay a trap - of course you would not call multi-use stadiums a "baseball stadium", so forcing editors to vote for "No" opens the door wider for Nemov's preferred term - ballpark. It's a clever attempt to circumvent the previous discussion's consensus. Fred Zepelin ( talk) 23:38, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Multiple articles were (until last week, when Oknazevad went on his crusade) not described as "park" or "stadium" - instead, they were called "multi-use stadiums" or something similar
The big question(s) is. What do we call them & do we call them all the same thing. GoodDay ( talk) 00:12, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
I've no objections, if we use "ballpark". Mainly because when I think MLB, I think "ballpark". Where's when I think CFL & NFL, I think "stadium". GoodDay ( talk) 00:33, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Check out my compromise edits to the intros of the Yankee Stadium & Fenway Park pages. It avoids the dispute, entirely. GoodDay ( talk) 01:00, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
To repeat what I said in the previous discussion, a stadium is a place with tiered infrastructure to allow a large number of spectators to watch events. A ballpark is venue for baseball. If a stadium is designed to be used for multiple sports, then it is a multi-purpose stadium. If it is designed for baseball, it is a baseball stadium. All baseball stadiums are ballparks; not all ballparks are stadiums. Thus stadium is a more specific descriptor for a venue, and I think it is more useful to describe it as such in the first sentence. (If it is multi-purpose stadium, it should be described as such rather than singling out one sport that it hosts.) The term ballpark can be used and linked to when describing the stadium as a home venue. isaacl ( talk) 01:27, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Fred split the article. I see no consensus here for such a split. Can else get a straw poll going?
"day turns into evening as the sun sets on the ballpark while the Atlanta Braves take the field in an exhibition game against the New York Yankees in the first game in the new SunTrust Park stadium.[5] Associated Press says
as the Braves opened their new stadium.[6]
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I've been told that linking the bolding team names in team season articles, is no longer allowed. If this is so? it hasn't been applied evenly. GoodDay ( talk) 00:08, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 19:24, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
I would like to request a re-grading of the Nick Solak article, to which I have just made several small tweaks. Especially, please address my concern of potentially citing a single source too much, and I would appreciate a ping if you respond. Moreover, would it be advisable to nominate it for good article, once the "needs expansion" tag (which I've added) is addressed? Thank you, NotReallySoroka ( talk) 02:17, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Major League Baseball has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. OnlyFixingProse ( talk) 05:38, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
I'm just seeing this now. I don't know if I'm able to take the lead on getting this GA-ready again, but I'm happy to help as I did with the original GA nomination. The reassessment nomination is a bit lean on detail, but it seems like we might be able to start by looking for unsourced statements, if anyone is interested. Larry Hockett ( Talk) 21:14, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Max Fried for FA based on my best judgement, being fairly familiar with the subject matter. I believe that the page meets the criteria, but you are allowed to close it if you think other wise. -- NotReallySoroka ( talk) 03:49, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.
)and turns it into something like
It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{ cite web}}, {{ cite journal}} and {{ doi}}.
The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.
This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 16:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi editors, I'm M and I work with Minute Media. I had made some requests over at The Players' Tribune and a few other WikiProject talk pages and haven't heard anything. I was hoping someone here might be willing to take a look. I think this is of interest to WikiProject Baseball because The Players' Tribune was founded by Derek Jeter and a lot of baseball players write for the site. I know I can't make changes myself because of my conflict of interest. I'd really appreciate the help! M at MinuteMedia ( talk) 15:14, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
Currently, there is a base article for MLB Little League Classic, plus an article for each individual game, from the 2017 MLB Little League Classic through the most recently created 2022 MLB Little League Classic page (there is no 2020 article, as that edition was canceled). I propose reducing content to just the base article, and deprecating articles for each individual game of this series. Ultimately, these are simply regular-season games, and providing a full linescore and detailed box score for such games is WP:UNDUE. Notable aspects of the series (e.g. linkage to the Little League World Series) is well-covered in the base article, along with a table of results for the annual playings. Any items of note about a particular edition of the game can be highlighted in the base article. Comments from other editors? Dmoore5556 ( talk) 03:27, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Adding pings to other editors found in History of the articles: @ Esolo5002:, @ Jellysandwich0:, @ Lawnmowerchair58:, @ GalaxyFighter55:, @ BigDawg50:, @ DeAllenWeten:, @ Sue Kastle:, @ Cclark0:, @ Muboshgu:, @ Ruhrfisch:, and @ Dale Arnett:. Dmoore5556 ( talk) 16:14, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
As I believe we've reached a consensus, this looks to be a WP:DOIT situation and I'll merge content at some point in the next day or so. Dmoore5556 ( talk) 17:52, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
I've requested protection for the 2022 New York Yankees season article, due to a vandalising (ever changing) mobile editor. Do be on the look out, should this mobile editor start targeting other team season articles. GoodDay ( talk) 01:44, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
What’s the arguments against him being classified as a world champion? Other than being on the WS roster? Understandable for players who really didn’t play or contribute much but he played like an mvp and the braves needed every win they got. He carried the team the first half of the season. Also CBS sports and other sports writer have named him a world champion. 2600:1700:89B0:1920:D10D:78E5:52D:ECC5 ( talk) 18:34, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
( ←) I dug around on baseball-reference to see if I could find what their inclusion/exclusion policy was to have a World Series banner at the top of a player's page. I found nothing, so I emailed them (via sports-reference) & heard back.
Thanks for your question. Our standard is that a player must have either appeared in a postseason game, or been on the World Series roster. Gore's postseason appearances in 2015 and 2022 mean he is listed as a 2x champion, whereas Zito, Cain and Acuña missed out on the postseasons in the years mentioned.
The 4 players mentioned above were ones that were mentioned the 4 discussions I linked above (Gore is Terrance Gore, Cain is Matt Cain, Zito is Barry Zito). Rgrds. -- Bison X ( talk) 09:27, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
FYSA: RSN discussion on the Bullpen subdomain of the baseball-reference.com site. I realize this has been discussed here often before, but wanted to make sure there are no lingering concerns before I start going through 3000 links. Kuru (talk) 18:10, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
This was nominated for deletion, so I'm inviting the project to the discussion. Neonblak talk - 18:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (baseball players) needs an update. Some of the examples given are inaccurate as they are redirects to their current locations. We have Example:
Bill Blair (Negro leagues pitcher) and
Bill Blair (American Association pitcher)
, which redirect to
Bill Blair (1940s pitcher) and
Bill Blair (1880s pitcher), respectively, and Example:
Lee King (outfielder, born 1892) and
Lee King (outfielder, born 1894)
, which redirect to
Lee King (outfielder) and
Lee King (utility player). The second example should probably just be swapped out for another example. But clarification is also needed. When a "Chad Smith" debuted for the Rockies last week, I set up his page at
Chad Smith (2020s pitcher) to distinguish him from
Chad Smith (2010s pitcher), but they have since been moved to
Chad Smith (baseball, born 1995) and
Chad Smith (baseball, born 1989). –
Muboshgu (
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17:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
If all previous steps are still insufficient, then use the players' year of birth.The rationale presumably being, "Most people don't know a player's exact birth year, but might sorta know when they played. The edit summary for the move of
Per Javy Guerrais not applicable, since the Guerras' careers overlapped.— Bagumba ( talk) 19:48, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Thoughts on replacing {{ Infobox Negro World Series}} with {{ Infobox baseball championship series}} which is used on World Series pages? I mocked up a sample for what it'd look like with 1924 Colored World Series. Here's a side-by-side look:
Proposed version {{ Infobox baseball championship series}} |
Current version {{ Infobox Negro World Series}} | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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{{Infobox Negro World Series |year = 1924 |altname=co |team1 = '''[[Kansas City Monarchs]]''' |team1_1 = '''6''' |team1_2 = 0 |team1_3 = 6 |team1_4 = 3 |team1_5 = 3 |team1_6 = '''6''' |team1_7 = '''4''' |team1_8 = '''3''' |team1_9 = 3 |team1_10 = '''5''' |team1_tot = '''5''' |team1_short = Kansas City |team1_manager = [[José Méndez]] |team2 = [[Hilldale Club]] |team2_1 = 2 |team2_2 = '''11''' |team2_3 = 6 |team2_4 = '''4''' |team2_5 = '''5''' |team2_6 = 5 |team2_7 = 3 |team2_8 = 2 |team2_9 = '''5''' |team2_10 = 0 |team2_tot = 4 |gm3_ei=* |gm7_ei=* |table-note=* indicates extra innings |team2_short = Hilldale |team2_manager = [[Frank Warfield]] |format = Best-of-nine |HOFers = '''''Kansas City:''''' [[José Méndez]] (mgr.), [[Bullet Rogan]],<br> '''''Hilldale''''': [[Judy Johnson]], [[Biz Mackey]],<br> [[Louis Santop]] |dates = October 3–20 |location1 = {{nowrap|Philadelphia: [[Baker Bowl]] <small>(1,2)</small>}} |location2 = {{nowrap|Baltimore: [[Maryland Baseball Park]] <small>(3,4)</small>}} |location3 = {{nowrap|Kansas City: [[Muehlebach Field]] <small>(5,6,7)</small>}} |location4 = {{nowrap|Chicago: [[Schorling Park]] <small>(8,9,10)</small>}} }} |
Feel free to discuss below.– Aidan721 ( talk) 00:44, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
|format=
can be added to Infobox baseball championship series, if it's deemed important enough. I don't see a reason why it should be important for one series and not others, so there should be consistency, which can be achieve by sharing a generic template.—
Bagumba (
talk)
05:41, 20 May 2022 (UTC)Hi. Please see AFDs here here here here here and here on KBO League players. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 14:48, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
In relation to the above two discussions. I've undone 'recent' unilateral changes to the 1920 in baseball to 1935 in baseball pages, concerning how to list the baseball leagues' records. IMHO, the American League & National League, should be separate from the other baseball leagues. GoodDay ( talk) 00:24, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Is it time to add these standings to the season pages for 1920 through 1948? Baseball Reference considers these to be full major league seasons and lists them along with the American and National Leagues.
For example, 1920 may look like this. However, there are a few outstanding issues:
American League
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National League
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Negro National League
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Absolutely I think this should be done since MLB is clear and unambiguous that certain Negro leagues are to be considered "major," but I think there is too much uncertainty that needs to be nailed down before 1 editor just starts doing it unilaterally. Jhn31 ( talk) 19:46, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
No, as the teams weren't members of Major League Baseball & none of the teams played for the World Series. Best we not try to right the wrongs. GoodDay ( talk) 20:07, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
(ec)MLB itself has decided certain Negro leagues to have been "major,"
. There are so many things wrong with that: MLB has no special powers to wave a magic wand and sweep away their injustices. </soapbox> It is important to note that while the Negro leagues were major leagues, and Major League Baseball is major league, only the National & American League are Major League Baseball. I agree that the Federal League should be moved to
1914 in baseball &
1915 in baseball. I do think it is applicable to combine the sections in (for example)
1922 in baseball so that the Negro leagues are under the same lower case heading "major league baseball." I'll do that post-haste.
I will say that the Negro league standings are outdated as most of them are from Holway's 2001 book. If you want to, all of those standings should be updated per seamheads.com. It's on my to-do list, but I'm not working on it right now. Rgrds. -- Bison X ( talk) 20:44, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Regarding the template: the |input=overallWinLoss
parameter setting can be used to specify that the input format is the overall win-loss record. Regarding the layout: the standing tables do not have to be placed in a side-by-side layout with a fixed number of columns. They can be stacked vertically or a flexible column layout could be used (see {{
Col-float}} or {{
Div col}}).
isaacl (
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15:37, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
The article on Defensive Runs Saved consistently capitalizes the fully spelled-out name of the stat (it's always "Defensive Runs Saved", not "defensive runs saved"). Is this correct? Compare with other stats such as Run batted in and Fielding percentage. Just checking. Dmoore5556 ( talk) 22:55, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
SABR player bios are obviously wonderful resources, particularly for historical players. I have two questions for the project:
Thanks. -- Jprg1966 (talk) 22:09, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Template:Infobox baseball team has been completely changed the last couple of days by User:Aidan721. I haven't seen any discussion about this? Did I miss something? It has broken all of the NPB team pages (and I assume many others as well) and removed much of the information from these infoboxes. Also, now these infoboxes look completely different from Template:Infobox MLB. Honestly, I don't even understand why MLB teams have a separate infobox from all other baseball teams to begin with, but now the difference is even more glaring. Can someone shed some light on these changes? -- Torsodog Talk 05:09, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
I've modified the sandbox of this {{ Infobox baseball league championship series}} and of {{ Infobox baseball championship series}} to convert {{ Infobox baseball league championship series}} into a wrapper template of {{ Infobox baseball championship series}} as they are largely the same. This will help the templates maintain consistencies in styling over time. See the testcases to see how the appearance remains the same. Join the discussion here. – Aidan721 ( talk) 15:57, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:MLB at Field of Dreams that may be of interest. It was opened September 2021 and had been idle since April; I posted to it today. Input should be placed there. Dmoore5556 ( talk) 17:46, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Hey all, I'm having difficulty finding a reliable source that Chip Caray attended/graduated from Parkway West High School (Missouri). All I'm finding online are the usual celebrity click-bait sites, and those don't usually meet WP:RS and WP:BLP. Can anyone help find a reliable source for this? Thanks. BilCat ( talk) 20:08, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
At 1981 National League Championship Series I removed discussion of future playoff matchups between the teams in question, as these are not a direct consequence of the 1981 series (in this case, the events occurred over 30 years later). A subsequent edit restored this info, in a reworded form. In my view, aftermath sections should be limited to events that are a direct consequence of the subject of the article. What does everyone think? isaacl ( talk) 05:05, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
More feedback is welcome in order to help establish a consensus view. Thanks! isaacl ( talk) 05:29, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
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We've got the Federal League & stats, re-added to the 1914 & 1915 MLB season pages. I'm no longer certain what direction this WikiProject is headed in. I wish you luck in adopting your proposals.
GoodDay (
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Question: Should the Federal League records be included in the 1914 MLB season & the 1915 MLB season? GoodDay ( talk) 05:06, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
I don't recall any consensus to add the 1914 & 1915 Federal League records to the 1914 & 1915 Major League Baseball season pages. IMHO, they should be deleted from those two pages. GoodDay ( talk) 20:24, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
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I've been looking in the archives but can't find anything off-hand so I'm doing this from memory, but originally there was "1915 in baseball." Somewhere between 2007 & 2012, the MLB seasons were split from these articles for size reasons, I think. The "in baseball" pages were meant to house AA, UA, PL, Japanese, Korean, Negro and other major leagues. I don't think the intention was to move the FL. If the FL is included, then it should "1915 in major league baseball" (no caps) & then all post-WWII pages should also include Japan baseball, etc. But then what is the point of "1915 in baseball?" Rgrds. -- Bison X ( talk) 21:29, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
So this discussion totally died, but I see that the Federal League standings were unilaterally removed from the 1914 and 1915, despite MLB considering the Federal League to be part of "Major League Baseball" in its records, and modern day sources listing it this way. Thoughts? Jhn31 ( talk) 04:44, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
This ultimately feels like a semantic – or should that be syntactic? – issue: the difference between major league baseball (the concept) and Major League Baseball (the contractual agreement between the AL and NL, that ultimately united as one organisation in 2000). Feels like there's a vitally important distinction in that capitalisation.
Personally, I lean towards omission, on three counts: one, the article title being in capitals means it was intended solely for covering Major League Baseball (the latter), not all major leagues (the former). No, MLB as a singular organisation didn't exist until 2000, but it was absolutely referred to in reliable sources as such before then nonetheless, and it's not our place to dismiss that, but rather to reflect and summarise it. Two, the given sources do not describe the FL as being part of Major League Baseball (the latter), but rather as being a major league (the former). Even the modern sources very deliberately use lower case. (Also, naming standards are such that it's "[Year] [Competition] season" for specific competitions, and "[Year] in [concept]" for broader concepts; it would be "1914 in major league baseball" if it were to include the FL.) Three, we don't include the Negro Leagues on their respective MLB season pages, despite their recent reassessment as major leagues, with the singular exception of 1940 Major League Baseball season for some reason. (Granted, this could be revised at any point on similar grounds, but still. (Edited later: I now see there's discussion about above, on this very page, heh.))
It feels to me like the best solution here would be pretty much how it is already: not included in the MLB pages, but grouped together as major leagues on 1914 in baseball et al. (Note the non-capitalisation in the section header that covers their standings as is.) I don't think we should separate them on the yearly baseball pages, though, as that would be to ignore the absolute agreement of reliable sources that it was a major league. Buttons to Push Buttons ( talk | contribs) 17:02, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
The plain fact is that the 1914 & 1915 FL records are recognized as part of the MLB record book officially, as well as by significant outside bodies like SABR and Baseball Reference. And they have been for decades. We cannot insist on some sort of non-existent, WP:OR standard based on membership of its franchises in a decades-later organization. MLB as it is currently constituted did not exist in 1915. Nor did it exist in 1968. What did exist in the latter was the two leagues that came to a settlement with the Federal League owners in 1915. And that included giving them the option to recognize those records.
There is no good reason not to include them in the respective MLB season articles, where they had already been included for years. In fact, leaving them out constitutes a factual error. Period. I'm restoring the years old inclusion of them. oknazevad ( talk) 03:32, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Thank goodness nobody's trying to put WHA teams in the 1971–72 to 1978–79 NHL season pages. GoodDay ( talk) 03:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
The other day, I decided to be WP:BOLD and removed the steroid-related articles from Template:Major League Baseball. Oknazevad reverted me, and so to complete the WP:BRD cycle, I am looking for community consensus to remove some of these items, and having those articles instead linked by the Template:Doping in baseball navbox that I created.
My arguments: (1) these articles were added to Template:MLB via WP:RECENTISM in 2014, not long after the Biogenesis scandal broke. [1]. As its now 2022, it's good to reassess the importance of PEDs in MLB. As the wave of news coverage on PED-usage and suspensions have decreased since it has become a common and routine occurrence for a player to be suspended, it's WP:UNDUE to give so much weight in the big MLB navbox to that issue. Further, (2) some of these articles are really insignificant compared to articles on the World Series, draft, rivalries, interleague play, etc. that one would expect in a MLB navbox. Do we really need to be giving that much importance to Jose Canseco's two books ( Juiced (book) and Vindicated (book))? Game of Shadows? The Mitchell Report? BALCO? The Bonds perjury trial? I don't think so. I would argue the Black Sox Scandal has more WP:LASTING impact on MLB, and it's not in this navbox.
I agree with leaving Major League Baseball drug policy and List of Major League Baseball players suspended for performance-enhancing drugs in the navbox, but I do not believe the other articles belong there. I welcome the thoughts of others. – Muboshgu ( talk) 17:13, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
That article could then also be included in {{ Major League Baseball}}, removing any need for the lower level pages in the template.— Bagumba ( talk) 17:28, 18 July 2022 (UTC)There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template.
it appears that immaculate innings are not standard accomplishments listed in infoboxes for pitchers that have completed one. the only players who have immaculate innings mentioned in their infoboxes are the players tied for most in their career (sandy koufax, chris sale, max scherzer).
historically, an immaculate inning is MUCH rarer than the no hitter (by an order of about 3x as rare). it should be included in career accomplishments and highlights, and while not necessarily well known amongst the general population or "casual" viewer, i'd imagine the difference between a no hitter and perfect game remains about as obscure as the concept of the immaculate inning. with these innings becoming more common, they should be addressed. 2600:1005:B0F0:6A9C:3D43:8A30:F493:7B72 ( talk) 04:57, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Should induction into a team's hall of fame be listed in a biography's infobox?
I believe there was never a formal consensus on this. However, I see many FAs with HOFs listed in their infobox: Babe Ruth, Jackie Robinson, Bob Feller, Casey Stengel, Derek Jeter, Harmon Killebrew, Jim Thome, Mariano Rivera, Ozzie Smith, Rogers Hornsby, Stan Coveleski, Stan Musial, Billy Martin, and Lee Smith. Per WP:PROPOSAL:
Most commonly, a new policy or guideline documents existing practices, rather than proposing a change to what experienced editors already choose to do.
I believe including team HOFs in the infobox is already a widespread, de facto practice, that should be reflected at WP:BASESTYLEPL. — Bagumba ( talk) 05:15, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Rinku Singh (wrestler)#Requested move 8 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 08:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated T206 Honus Wagner for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:49, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello. There is an issue with the current tournament brackets used in MLB pages, such as {{ 8TeamBracket-MLB}} and {{ 10TeamBracket-MLB}}. The background colors used cause an accessibility issue. Specifically, neither the red nor the blue background is WCAG AAA compatible for standard blue links and purple visited links. Per MOS:COLOR, we should be meeting the AAA standard whenever possible. It is in my opinion that the colors are largely unnecessary, and we should be using the standard grey background that is ued for every other team bracket, such as {{ 8TeamBracket}}. Nonetheless, the accessibility issue should be addressed. – Pbrks ( t • c) 05:47, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
Can I get a second opinion on
this edit? It seems to me that the Tatís suspension is different from ARod's in exactly the most meaningful way--he wasn't suspended for an entire year--but on the other hand, it's true he isn't going to play for all of the 2022 season. I just didn't realize that we do 2015-2020, 2022-present
anytime someone misses a year for any reason, if that's true.
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A proposal to eliminate WP:NBASE is underway. It can be viewed at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Proposal to eliminate WP:NBASE. Cbl62 ( talk) 16:06, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Would appreciate input at this discussion, concerning the 'new' playoff format. GoodDay ( talk) 17:46, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
An RM has been opened. GoodDay ( talk) 15:33, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
FWIW - The pages League Championship Series & Division Series have been moved to League championship series & Division series without going through the RM process & thus failing to obtain a consensus for such page moves. GoodDay ( talk) 16:12, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
I've left a notice at the RM at Major League Baseball Wild Card Game. -- GoodDay ( talk) 03:56, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
After doing some searching through the talk page archives and reviewing the WikiProject's MOS, I haven't been able to find any uniform guidelines on how to present stats in the prose of an article. If they in fact don't exist, I think it's prudent that we create a standard. Something in particular I've seen is that there is a lot of variation in whether single-digit stats are presented as digits or spelled out (e.g. Trout had 8 RBI in the game vs. Trout had eight RBI in the game). I think most people would lean towards spelling such numbers out, but it should be clarified regardless. Another question is which stats should or should not be included in prose and what order they should go in. I think the latter question has some more flexibility. Sewageboy ( talk) 20:23, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Continuing the discussion from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball/Archive 48 § Aftermath sections: following that discussion, I removed the passage in question once again, but the other editor has restored it. Participation at Talk:1981 National League Championship Series#Aftermath is welcome to discuss the matter further. isaacl ( talk) 04:46, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tom Butters (baseball)#Requested move 5 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 16:20, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
I've noticed several pages (example) 2022 American League Wild Card Series, 2019 National League Wild Card Game, List of American League Wild Card winners & sections/subsections (example) National League Wild Card at 2022 Major League Baseball season, tend to use "Wild Card" rather then "wild card". Which is actually the correct form? Uppercase or lowercase. GoodDay ( talk) 04:06, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
On Tuesday night, in the National League wild card game at Nationals Park...[3]— Bagumba ( talk) 18:06, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
An RM has been opened up, concerning League Championship Series and Division Series. -- GoodDay ( talk) 03:52, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Note: RM was closed as 'not moved'. Thus remaining League Championship Series and Division Series. GoodDay ( talk) 03:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated the article Two-ball for deletion. As the article appears in Category:Baseball terminology, it may be of interest to some editors here. Dmoore5556 ( talk) 04:11, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Update: it has been deleted. Dmoore5556 ( talk) 06:57, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
The category Category:Pages using infobox MLB yearly with unknown parameters currently contains over 1200 entries, the vast majority of which appear to be due to the use of two invalid/deprecated fields: "logo" and "Uniform logo". It would be helpful to edit the infoboxes of articles listed in the Category to remove those two specific invalid fields, so the Category can be used to spot and resolve new(er) mistakes. Might someone here know how to / be able to construct a bot to do that? Dmoore5556 ( talk) 07:06, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Last night, Ezequiel Tovar's wiki page was tagged as a copyright violation and deleted per WP:G12. It was an innocent mistake for the tagger and deleting admin to have made, as the page was split without proper attribution, noting that it was split from an existing page.
Please read
Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Whenever you split a minor league player from a minor league player page, write an edit summary that explains what you are doing. On the new page, write something like Copied content from [[<page name>]]; see that page's history for attribution
. On the "minor league player" page, don't just delete the content, but add a similar edit summary that says where you're splitting it to, as I have seen editors assume incorrectly that it is an
illegitimate blanking situation.
This saves everybody time in the end. Thank you. – Muboshgu ( talk) 16:32, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Maybe he now meets GNG? Chicago Cubs minor league players#Matt Mervis Articles about him every day. 2603:7000:2143:8500:75B2:5004:43A1:9FC0 ( talk) 00:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello WikiProject Baseball members. As 2022 postseason will have 12 baseball teams competing (6 teams each on both American and National leagues), can we make a template of 12 teams in a bracket for the postseason article? I made a draft template on my sandbox page here, so I request for a template review on my sandbox template page if it's ready or not before the playoffs begin? I don't know where to remove unnecessary lines between the wild card series and the division series columns from the unneeded boxes that I certainly can't find the code? -- Allen ( talk / ctrb) 07:35, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
|RD1-seed1=
, |RD1-seed2=
, etc, as seen at
2022 Major League Baseball postseason#Playoff bracket. –
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17:41, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Myself & @ Jhn31: are in dispute about how to show the Angels, in the Template:2005 AL West standings to the Template:2015 AL West standings. I think the team should be shown as Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. Where's he thinks it should be shown as Los Angeles Angels. We can't both be correct. GoodDay ( talk) 15:58, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Batted ball/1 - I originally wrote this back in my early days as an editor, when I didn't realize the b-ref bullpen was user-generated. Now nominated for removal as a good article, as I don't have the time or energy to fix the referencing here. Hog Farm Talk 00:18, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi Baseball community. I have recently created D. J. Mitchell (basketball). I am keen to find out if this community would be receptive to moving D. J. Mitchell to D. J. Mitchell (baseball). Thanks. DaHuzyBru ( talk) 13:48, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
I noticed in the 1981 postseason & 1995-present postseason pages' infoboxes, we include the semi-final losers. I realise these were added due to the Division Series. But wouldn't it be best if we limited the infoboxes, to the World Series champion & runner-up? GoodDay ( talk) 19:35, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
The article about Brian Wolfe is being edited by a number of people from the same IP range, some claiming to be a child of his, others claiming he has no children. Can someone investigate this. Mind matrix 17:00, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Seth Brown (baseball)#Requested move 3 October 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 20:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Boxscore links on some previous years' playoff games are broken, e.g. this [4] on 2016 National League Wild Card Game (and several subsequent years, plus AL games, etc.). 192.104.199.208 ( talk) 02:27, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
I proposed adding the team abbreviations to the infoboxes (or at least the articles bodies) here. Please state your opinion. Thanks. -- Angus ( talk) 14:23, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Are any of them real? Some of their additions are still there and some aren't. Sagittarian Milky Way ( talk) 21:46, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Are any of Nolan Ryan's no-hitters notable enough to have their own article? 100.7.44.80 ( talk) 19:32, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
I propose adding a president field to the Template:Infobox MLB yearly template. The template currently allows owners, presbo, general managers, and managers to be listed, but lacks a field for the team president. Teams have had presidents since the start of organized baseball, many notable, and a majority of MLB teams have navboxes for their presidents (see Category:Major League Baseball president navigational boxes, capitalization issues notwithstanding). By comparison, use of a "President of Baseball Operations" (presbo) title in MLB doesn't seem older than the 1960s. Addition of a president field to the template would be straightforward, and the president would appear after owners and before presbo in the infobox. Comments welcome. Dmoore5556 ( talk) 03:32, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
In the last 10 or so years, the sports world has introduced the title president of 'any sport' operations. I don't know if this is a new position or merely a name replacement of president or team president. Kinda like how in ice hockey, 25-30 years ago, coach got replaced with head coach. GoodDay ( talk) 20:52, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Done I have added the parameter. – Muboshgu ( talk) 01:06, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
LoisJS ( talk) 18:49, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
I've just nominated Sahlen Field for a good article reassessment -- it's a minor league baseball stadium. The original GA nominator hasn't edited in a month so I've come here in the hope of finding someone willing to try to keep the GA status for the article. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 00:29, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
In the past, I've reverted edits such as this one that added a hypothetical playoff bracket to the 1994 World Series article. Given that it would have been the first year of a new playoff format, though, does anyone think it might be desirable to have a prose description in an article such as 1994 Major League Baseball season describing what teams would have been made the playoffs based on the final 1994 standings? This would help illustrate the new format. I still feel including a bracket in any article is unnecessary, and think it should be removed from the 1994 World Series article. isaacl ( talk) 20:41, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Our coverage of the Negro leagues needs a ton of work. Season articles for the greatest Negro league teams would be a good starting point. Ten such teams are listed below in order of page views, and only two have received even 1,000 views (both of those appeared at DYK in 2020). Any suggestions on how these should be improved? On how to attract viewers/editors to these articles? Cbl62 ( talk) 18:45, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
Rank | Title | Size | Page views |
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1 | 1932 Detroit Wolves season | 21,354 | 5,244 | EWL pennant, 29–9 record, featuring five BHOF inductees: Cool Papa Bell (CF), Mule Suttles (1B), Willie Wells (SS), Ray Brown (P), and Smokey Joe Williams (P) |
2 | 1919 Detroit Stars season | 62,286 | 2,011 | 44–18 (.710) record, starring three BHOF inductees: OF Pete Hill (.396), OF Oscar Charleston, and SS José Méndez |
3 | 1931 Homestead Grays season | 2,175 | 823 | 34–21–1 (.616), seven in BHOF: manager Cumberland Posey, 1B Oscar Charleston; C Josh Gibson; 3B Jud Wilson; P Bill Foster, P Smokey Joe Williams, and P Satchel Paige |
4 | 1936 Pittsburgh Crawfords season | 2,176 | 676 | NNL pennant, 48–33–2 (.590) record, six in BHOF: player/manager Oscar Charleston; CF Cool Papa Bell; C Josh Gibson; 3B Judy Johnson; and P Satchel Paige |
5 | 1935 Pittsburgh Crawfords season | 2,126 | 481 | NNL pennant, 51–26–3 (.656) record, four BHOF inductees: player/manager Oscar Charleston; CF Cool Papa Bell; C Josh Gibson; and 3B Judy Johnson. |
6 | 1942 Kansas City Monarchs season | 2,342 | 479 | NAL pennant, 35–17 (.673) record, three BHOF inductees: CF Willard Brown; P Hilton Smith; and P Satchel Paige |
7 | 1937 Homestead Grays season | 2,735 | 455 | NNL pennant, 60–19–1 (.756) record, six in BHOF, including C Josh Gibson, 1B Buck Leonard, SS Willie Wells, 3B Ray Dandridge, P Ray Brown. |
8 | 1926 Chicago American Giants season | 2,462 | 446 | NNL pennant, 60–21–3 (.732) record, Rube Foster was owner/manager, RF Jelly Gardner (.331), Bill Foster (13–4, 1.63 ERA) |
9 | 1943 Washington Homestead Grays season | 3,465 | 422 | NNL pennant, 78–23–1 (.770) record, five BHOF inductees: C Josh Gibson, LF Cool Papa Bell, 1B Buck Leonard, 3B Jud Wilson, and P Ray Brown |
10 | 1923 Kansas City Monarchs season | 2,706 | 397 | NNL pennant, 61–37 (.622) record, starring RF Oscar Johnson (.402 BA, .722 SLG, 120 RBI), SS Dobie Moore, P Bullet Rogan, CF Wade Johnston |
Cbl62 ( talk) 18:45, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
Forgive me if this has come up before, but I couldn't find it in the archive. Would editors be opposed to having a spot on the MLB club infobox for the club's current Spring Training park? I wouldn't suggest showing the entire park history like we do for the home ballpark, but just show the current Spring Training park. This information would be helpful if it was in the same place. I notice some articles don't mention the Spring Training parks at all while some mention it in the lead. Nemov ( talk) 19:00, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
An IP has repeatedly changed the infobox to hide the fact that Verlander missed all of the 2021 season. Attempts to explain on the talk page that this is standard procedure for baseball articles have failed, so I am bringing it here to get more eyes on the situation. LEPRICAVARK ( talk) 00:53, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
IP is causing problems across other MLB pages. I think it's best we escort the IP off the premises. GoodDay ( talk) 01:02, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Omitting the year from the date range is the standard way we have handled any absence from playing in an MLB game in a single year. Look at the articles for any players who took time away to serve in the war ( Joe DiMaggio, Ted Williams). This is not something specific to Verlander and should be handled consistently as other articles, unless the consensus were changed. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 ( talk • contributions) 17:39, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
The 2022 NSPORTS RfC added a requirement that all sports articles are required to have a source that contains significant coverage of the topic. To help identify sports articles that lack this I've created Template:No significant coverage (sports); please add it to any such articles that you encounter, and if you are looking for an article to improve the relevant categories may be useful. BilledMammal ( talk) 13:00, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
The discussion is at WP:Articles for deletion/List of Major League Baseball players with unidentified given names. I'm posting here because I can't access the SABR report which seems like the only reference likely to discuss these players "as a group or set" as required by WP:NLIST, and I'm not sure what other sources might be out there or where to find them. Hatman31 ( talk) 04:05, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
I've removed the semifinalist losers & removed mentioning of how many times the World Series runner-up appeared in the World Series. We should limit the infobox to the World Series Champion (number titles) & the runner-up. For example at 2022 Major League Baseball postseason's infobox - Do we really need to know who lost in the ALCS & NLCS? Furthermore, do readers really need to know that it was the Phillies 8th trip to the WS? Isn't having the Astros 2nd title description, enough? GoodDay ( talk) 06:26, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
@ Muboshgu: what's your view on this. I could accept the addition of the semifinal losers. But do readers really need to know how many times the WS loser has been to the WS? We don't show how many times the WS winner has been been to the WS. GoodDay ( talk) 15:57, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
Alex9234, at @ Nagol0929: & Muboshgu's talkpages, you seem to describe the MLB postseason pages as being your articles. Whether you created them or not, is irrelevant. They're now public domain & so anybody can make improvements. We don't need your permission. GoodDay ( talk) 01:43, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Anyone know if there's been an effort to create an article about winter baseball leagues, or if the topic may already be covered somewhere? There are a number of active winter leagues, but I'm not aware of any article that provides an overview or context in the manner of, for example, the existing article about collegiate summer baseball.
Currently active are: Dominican Professional Baseball League (LIDOM), Puerto Rican Winter League (LBPRC), Venezuela Winter League (LVBP), Cuban National Series, Mexican Pacific League (LMP), Colombian Professional Baseball League (LPB), Panamanian Professional Baseball League (Probeis), and Australian Baseball League per this article plus others than are defunct (e.g. Hawaii Winter Baseball and Arizona Winter League). Dmoore5556 ( talk) 00:29, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
I've worked hard to make updates to Module:Sports table/WLHA so that it can encompass the details of {{ MLB standings}} and standardize the standings templates across WP. Check out how it looks for the 1901 season on my sandbox page here and compare it to the current version here. Open to thoughts and ideas about any changes. I'll be testing how more recent standings templates transfer over as well, including WC standings. – Aidan721 ( talk) 23:33, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
It is here: Talk:Ty Cobb#RfC: What should we give as Ty Cobb's lifetime batting average? if anyone is interested. Herostratus ( talk) 04:50, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Months after it happened, I read (I did not participate, although I agree with the outcome) in this discussion about whether to describe MLB stadiums as "stadiums" or "ballparks". The way I read it, there's a clear consensus to go with "baseball stadium". That seems like the most specific term available, as not all "ballparks" are stadiums, but MLB stadiums certainly are stadiums. I'm borrowing a little here from @ Torsodog:'s comment in that discussion. Now one of the editors who disagreed is apparently running to a bunch of those article's lead sentences and changing it back to his preferred choice. I feel, as a discussion already occurred and consensus was reached, that we should go with that result unless a new discussion reaches a clear consensus to do something different.
===Should the term Baseball Stadium be used universally in the lead?===
I believe this should be withdrawn and reworded, as it's based on a false premise. There are ALREADY multi-use stadiums that are not designated as "ballparks" or "baseball stadiums". This Yes/No survey is, given the current state of MLB stadium articles, offering a false choice. In addition, it's not the same question, at all, that was offered in the original discussion. That discussion applied ONLY to stadiums that weren't multi-use. This question appears to lay a trap - of course you would not call multi-use stadiums a "baseball stadium", so forcing editors to vote for "No" opens the door wider for Nemov's preferred term - ballpark. It's a clever attempt to circumvent the previous discussion's consensus. Fred Zepelin ( talk) 23:38, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Multiple articles were (until last week, when Oknazevad went on his crusade) not described as "park" or "stadium" - instead, they were called "multi-use stadiums" or something similar
The big question(s) is. What do we call them & do we call them all the same thing. GoodDay ( talk) 00:12, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
I've no objections, if we use "ballpark". Mainly because when I think MLB, I think "ballpark". Where's when I think CFL & NFL, I think "stadium". GoodDay ( talk) 00:33, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Check out my compromise edits to the intros of the Yankee Stadium & Fenway Park pages. It avoids the dispute, entirely. GoodDay ( talk) 01:00, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
To repeat what I said in the previous discussion, a stadium is a place with tiered infrastructure to allow a large number of spectators to watch events. A ballpark is venue for baseball. If a stadium is designed to be used for multiple sports, then it is a multi-purpose stadium. If it is designed for baseball, it is a baseball stadium. All baseball stadiums are ballparks; not all ballparks are stadiums. Thus stadium is a more specific descriptor for a venue, and I think it is more useful to describe it as such in the first sentence. (If it is multi-purpose stadium, it should be described as such rather than singling out one sport that it hosts.) The term ballpark can be used and linked to when describing the stadium as a home venue. isaacl ( talk) 01:27, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Fred split the article. I see no consensus here for such a split. Can else get a straw poll going?
"day turns into evening as the sun sets on the ballpark while the Atlanta Braves take the field in an exhibition game against the New York Yankees in the first game in the new SunTrust Park stadium.[5] Associated Press says
as the Braves opened their new stadium.[6]