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I was given access to the helper script yesterday and I've reviewed seven pages in the last days using the script: Draft:Austin Rogers (Jeopardy! contestant), Draft:Artem Mirolevich, Draft:Between The Rain, Draft:Sabina Fluxà Thienemann, Draft:Ryan Held (American football), User:WWIAF/sandbox, Draft:Alex de Rijke. Of the group, I've accepted one, declined five, and speedied one for blatant copyvios. Could I get an experienced reviewer to look over my work? I know something about what I'm doing but could use the feedback from someone who understands this more fully. Thanks! BusterD ( talk) 01:17, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
The editor Stevenpanameno has the following drafts:
Given the clear COI on all three, it appears odd to me that someone would continually edit drafts for so long but make no further attempt to have them accepted. Does this look like using draft space as a webhost? Looking at the YouTube channels, Haylor only has 74 subscribers and the most any of his videos has had is 137 views, so these are obscure subjects never likely to be accepted into mainspace as far as I can see. I don't think I can nominate them at MFD as that's not for notability issues. At the least, I was thinking of asking him what his intention is for the drafts. WP:U5 seems to apply only to userspace, not draftspace? Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 09:58, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
All Sent to MFD [1] Legacypac ( talk) 07:26, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Just wanted to introduce myself for the project, that I have recently been allowed the use of the script and will be reviewing a few new draft articles. If I do anything wrong, or if there are any issues with my feedback, please let me know. I have only logged a few reviews so far, so if I have missed something; I'd appreciate the heads up. Lee Vilenski( talk) 09:00, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
I want some third opinions on this draft. Chrissmad declined apparently because the sources don't have in-depth coverage. I reckoned that he passed ANYBIO and/or coverage would likely be found and thus would likely survive AfD. Thoughts? Galobtter ( pingó mió) 19:18, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
fix ping @ Chrissymad: Galobtter ( pingó mió) 19:19, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
I commonly see completely unsuitable drafts that have been moved to draft space by reviewers under the rubric of draft space being "preferred". Does it make sense to revisit that guidance? Would it not be better if drafts were left in user space in some situations?
Reviewers should exercise some judgment and only move "promising" drafts to Draft: when doing declines — instead of move first, then decline. — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 03:38, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi all, I just had a question regarding when an article is created in more than one place (Such as several drafts on the same person), such as below:
Draft:Filip Engelman, Draft:Filip Zeljko Engelman, and Draft:Zeljko Filip Engelman (2). Only the last two are by the same creator, but all are regarding the same Footballer. The player would meet WP:NFOOTY, having played in a professional league game.
What would be the best course of action for these drafts, as realistically they aren't referenced very well, but would be unlikely to be deleted on an AfD, and what is the course of action for multiple repeated drafts? Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 16:12, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi again, I came across a draft for: Draft:Wikipedia:WikiProject Jeff Bezos, which is a WikiProject regarding Amazon and Washington Post. Whether this should be a thing or not is debatable, or if it should be a subsection of Wikipedia:WikiProject Media I'm not sure. My question is that are these things that should be accepted/declined, if it is a WikiProject nomination, as there is no information on the reviewers instructions. I'm also not sure regarding WikiProjects being created by IPs, but I couldn't find anything against that either. What is our procedure? Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 09:29, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I would be grateful if someone could have a look at the above. I declined it on 2 January as an advertisement for a non-notable person which only had a single source, and that to the article subject's own site and which gave you an unsafe site warning when you went to it. The article now appears to have been Accepted, although I can't find the details. I'd appreciate a second opinion. Thanks and regards. KJP1 ( talk) 17:25, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I have a question that I think I know the answer to. I encountered a situation where a sandbox was submitted to AFC containing a draft on a company. I tried to move it to draft space, and the move was refused because the name is salted in both draft space and article space, in both cases as G11. I would have declined the draft anyway, on notability grounds and tone grounds, but it seems that that has already been decided. I declined the sandbox again, explaining that it was create-protected in both draft space and article space, and that the author should discuss with the salting administrator or with the admin community at WP:AN, because there really isn't anything that a reviewer can do. The author then resubmitted the sandbox yet again. I know that some editors at MFD don't like to have sandboxes tagged for MFD because they are sandboxes, but submitting a sandbox that can't be accepted due to halite in the Earth is tendentious, and I have tagged the sandbox for deletion, as the only way I knew to deal with the annoyance. What would other reviewers do? Robert McClenon ( talk) 20:35, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
By the way, it is Draft:Knovos and Knovos that are salted. Robert McClenon ( talk) 20:35, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Do other reviewers have other advice? Robert McClenon ( talk) 20:35, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Could I get a second opinion on this one? From Googling it looks obviously notable (though debatable whether it should be ANTs or NATs), and the article has sources. My only question is whether it actually says enough that it would survive AfD. It seems to be summarisable as: "if you're depressed or anxious you'll tend to think badly of yourself without trying. There's a 30-item questionnaire to see if you do that. Mindfulness might help."
Should it be a) published as brief but accurate for others to extend; b) closed as merge (mention ANTs on Social anxiety disorder, either Depression (mood) or Major depressive disorder, and Mindfulness-based cognitive therapy); c) something else? Mortee ( talk) 16:04, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
We currently have the above two drafts on a single topic, probably created as part of a college project. Colleagues more knowledgeable than I tell me that the topic is notable and worth keeping, and have provided some additional sources. I've contacted the editors of both drafts suggesting they collaborate, but have received no responses, as they've probably moved on. The simplest thing would be for me to just create a new article incorporating the existing material, supplemented by the new sources. I could then Decline both drafts, with the rationale of there being an existing article. But I'm not sure that would be the most appropriate course of action. Would it, in fact, be better and fairer to the original editors, to work up one of the two existing drafts? If so, which one? I'd be grateful for advice. KJP1 ( talk) 14:42, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Just redirect the one you merge from to the one you merge into. Legacypac ( talk) 19:34, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Would someone else take a look at Draft:Josef Schmalz? Based on the content and the references provided I don't think he meets WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. A WP:BEFORE check is hampered both by language and by there being multiple people of that name. An article about him in the German Wikipedia, was nominated for deletion. I copied the discussion into Google translate and didn't spot that the dates were from last year and didn't see an outcome so thought it was a current discussion. However LAE means speedy keep. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 13:16, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
A situation that I encounter commonly is a draft in a sandbox when there is already a draft in draftspace with the appropriate name on the subject. By the way, I think that finding this is a side benefit of moving sandbox drafts into draft space; it finds duplicates, because the move is blocked. Usually the duplicate drafts are by the same author, and the duplication is a good-faith error, good-faith enthusiasm, or even an edit conflict (one reviewer moves the sandbox while another comments on it, creating two copies). If the two drafts are by the same person, then that is all right. Either they are the same, or one of them is a better draft (has had more work), and the earlier or less complete draft can be deleted.
However, sometimes I see two drafts that are the same or almost the same, down to the wording and the references, by different accounts. There are at least two possible accounts. First, they are one human, in which case it is sockpuppetry. Second, they are two different humans, in which case the second one is ripping off the first person's work, which is copyleft violation (and since a copyleft is a subspecies of copyright, any violation of the restrictions on the copyleft have the same full legal significance as a violation of a traditional copyright). Is there a third explanation?
My question, and I think I know the answer but am not sure, is which explanation should be preferred. I think that a version of Assume Good Faith would be Assume Less Bad Faith, and sockpuppetry is only a violation of the WMF's terms of use, while copyleft violation is also a violation of the laws of the United States. Comments? Robert McClenon ( talk) 02:13, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
In the course of reviewing this draft, Draft:PetShop uk, it has become apparent that the author, User talk:Ebrown58, is the owner of the business. I've advised him of the need to declare a conflict. It's also become apparent that he controls two further accounts, User talk:Lil-lambson, which has authored this draft about his wife, Draft:Alexandra Taylor, and this account, User talk:Giraffe601, which has authored this draft about himself, Draft:Adam Taylor. I've no idea as to the protocols around running multiple accounts with undeclared conflicts and would appreciate advice. It may be best if the advice is given directly to User talk:Ebrown58 and I'll let him know I've raised the query. Fuller details on my Talkpage if required. Many thanks. KJP1 ( talk) 17:39, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
On article acceptance the note posted to the user's talk page says: "note that because you are a logged-in user, you can create articles yourself, and don't have to post a request". With WP:ACTRIAL I don't think this is necessarily true anymore. jcc ( tea and biscuits) 19:28, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Can someone please look at Draft:Jarion Henry? It has no references, and the dates cannot possibly be correct. Is it just completely wrong, or is wrong in the sense of being a hoax? Robert McClenon ( talk) 01:38, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
This issue arises often enough that I think it is worth raising here for the comments of other reviewers. Sometimes when a draft is submitted, the AFC script shows that the title has been deleted one or more times in the past. Often the deletion was A7 or G11, and in those cases the fact of a previous deletion doesn't matter, because the relevant issue is the content of the current draft, and besides A7 doesn't apply to drafts. If the draft doesn't establish notability, and it usually doesn't, the proper action is simply to decline the draft based on a notability criterion and provide a brief comment. However, my question has to do with the situation where the draft was deleted following a deletion discussion. Articles for Creation is a mechanism for the review of drafts, not a mechanism to bypass the judgment of the community or to game the system. I will provide my own thinking and welcome any comments that agree, partly agree, or disagree. Since I normally haven't seen the deleted article, and cannot view it because I am not an administrator, I don't know whether the new draft is substantially the same as the deleted article. So I not only don't know whether the new draft will pass another AFD with the same participants, but I don't know whether the new draft is eligible for G4 speedy deletion. I generally don't think that I should simply accept the draft. My usual approach has been to ask the submitter to have the deleted article restored to user space or draft space via a Request for Undeletion so that I can compare. I know that some submitters resent this approach and say that the community was wrong in deleting the previous article, and that their draft should just be accepted. (First, if the closer was wrong, take it to Deletion Review. Second, if the community was wrong, maybe they will do another wrong deletion.) So what do other reviewers think should be done in this special situation where an article has previously been deleted via Articles for Deletion? Should I ask to have the deleted article restored in draft space? Should I simply tag the new draft as G4 and say that it is their problem? Should I simply use whatever judgment I would use in an AFD, or in an AFC with no history? Comments? Robert McClenon ( talk) 02:43, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
I would like to ask a somewhat general question, about when a reviewer should tag a draft for speedy deletion. Two obvious cases are G5 and A7. G5 is obvious, to me, because AFC has never been a mechanism for end-runs by sockpuppets. G5 applies to the (blocked or banned) author, not the topic as such. Anything that would be G5 in article space is G5 in draft space. A7 is obvious because it is obviously inapplicable to draft space, just as the other A criteria are inapplicable to draft space.
Also, I would say that G1 and G2 do not apply in draft space because tests are valid uses of sandboxes (although tests should not be submitted to AFC). G10 should be used for attack pages (some of which are just really bad stupid juvenile humor), because attack pages have no place anywhere in Wikipedia.
My main question has to do with when G11 should be used to tag really spammy drafts. A lot of marginal drafts that would get G11 in article space can just be declined as reading like an advertisement. My own thinking is that I will tag a draft as G11 if it is written in the first person plural ("we"), but that is just my thinking (and drafts that I have tagged this way normally do get deleted as G11). Comments on G11 in draft space? Comments on other G taggings in draft space? Robert McClenon ( talk) 03:10, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
exclusively promotional and would need to be fundamentally rewritten(emphasis in original). From the G11's I've deleted, these include (as you say) things like "buy from us" or "we're the company that the industry trusts". Also, pages that are obviously copied from a sales catalogue or review. Indeed, if when removing the promotional text you remove everything except "Acme is a company" or "Joe Bloggs is a singer" then it would fall under G11 (similar to how a copyvio draft should really only be G12'd if there's nothing substantial remaining after the cv is dealt with).
I'd appreciate it if another reviewer could have a look at this. It appears very dubious. I've detailed my concerns on the article's Talkpage. KJP1 ( talk) 21:00, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
I was given access to the helper script yesterday and I've reviewed seven pages in the last days using the script: Draft:Austin Rogers (Jeopardy! contestant), Draft:Artem Mirolevich, Draft:Between The Rain, Draft:Sabina Fluxà Thienemann, Draft:Ryan Held (American football), User:WWIAF/sandbox, Draft:Alex de Rijke. Of the group, I've accepted one, declined five, and speedied one for blatant copyvios. Could I get an experienced reviewer to look over my work? I know something about what I'm doing but could use the feedback from someone who understands this more fully. Thanks! BusterD ( talk) 01:17, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
The editor Stevenpanameno has the following drafts:
Given the clear COI on all three, it appears odd to me that someone would continually edit drafts for so long but make no further attempt to have them accepted. Does this look like using draft space as a webhost? Looking at the YouTube channels, Haylor only has 74 subscribers and the most any of his videos has had is 137 views, so these are obscure subjects never likely to be accepted into mainspace as far as I can see. I don't think I can nominate them at MFD as that's not for notability issues. At the least, I was thinking of asking him what his intention is for the drafts. WP:U5 seems to apply only to userspace, not draftspace? Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 09:58, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
All Sent to MFD [1] Legacypac ( talk) 07:26, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Just wanted to introduce myself for the project, that I have recently been allowed the use of the script and will be reviewing a few new draft articles. If I do anything wrong, or if there are any issues with my feedback, please let me know. I have only logged a few reviews so far, so if I have missed something; I'd appreciate the heads up. Lee Vilenski( talk) 09:00, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
I want some third opinions on this draft. Chrissmad declined apparently because the sources don't have in-depth coverage. I reckoned that he passed ANYBIO and/or coverage would likely be found and thus would likely survive AfD. Thoughts? Galobtter ( pingó mió) 19:18, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
fix ping @ Chrissymad: Galobtter ( pingó mió) 19:19, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
I commonly see completely unsuitable drafts that have been moved to draft space by reviewers under the rubric of draft space being "preferred". Does it make sense to revisit that guidance? Would it not be better if drafts were left in user space in some situations?
Reviewers should exercise some judgment and only move "promising" drafts to Draft: when doing declines — instead of move first, then decline. — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 03:38, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi all, I just had a question regarding when an article is created in more than one place (Such as several drafts on the same person), such as below:
Draft:Filip Engelman, Draft:Filip Zeljko Engelman, and Draft:Zeljko Filip Engelman (2). Only the last two are by the same creator, but all are regarding the same Footballer. The player would meet WP:NFOOTY, having played in a professional league game.
What would be the best course of action for these drafts, as realistically they aren't referenced very well, but would be unlikely to be deleted on an AfD, and what is the course of action for multiple repeated drafts? Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 16:12, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi again, I came across a draft for: Draft:Wikipedia:WikiProject Jeff Bezos, which is a WikiProject regarding Amazon and Washington Post. Whether this should be a thing or not is debatable, or if it should be a subsection of Wikipedia:WikiProject Media I'm not sure. My question is that are these things that should be accepted/declined, if it is a WikiProject nomination, as there is no information on the reviewers instructions. I'm also not sure regarding WikiProjects being created by IPs, but I couldn't find anything against that either. What is our procedure? Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 09:29, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I would be grateful if someone could have a look at the above. I declined it on 2 January as an advertisement for a non-notable person which only had a single source, and that to the article subject's own site and which gave you an unsafe site warning when you went to it. The article now appears to have been Accepted, although I can't find the details. I'd appreciate a second opinion. Thanks and regards. KJP1 ( talk) 17:25, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I have a question that I think I know the answer to. I encountered a situation where a sandbox was submitted to AFC containing a draft on a company. I tried to move it to draft space, and the move was refused because the name is salted in both draft space and article space, in both cases as G11. I would have declined the draft anyway, on notability grounds and tone grounds, but it seems that that has already been decided. I declined the sandbox again, explaining that it was create-protected in both draft space and article space, and that the author should discuss with the salting administrator or with the admin community at WP:AN, because there really isn't anything that a reviewer can do. The author then resubmitted the sandbox yet again. I know that some editors at MFD don't like to have sandboxes tagged for MFD because they are sandboxes, but submitting a sandbox that can't be accepted due to halite in the Earth is tendentious, and I have tagged the sandbox for deletion, as the only way I knew to deal with the annoyance. What would other reviewers do? Robert McClenon ( talk) 20:35, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
By the way, it is Draft:Knovos and Knovos that are salted. Robert McClenon ( talk) 20:35, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Do other reviewers have other advice? Robert McClenon ( talk) 20:35, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Could I get a second opinion on this one? From Googling it looks obviously notable (though debatable whether it should be ANTs or NATs), and the article has sources. My only question is whether it actually says enough that it would survive AfD. It seems to be summarisable as: "if you're depressed or anxious you'll tend to think badly of yourself without trying. There's a 30-item questionnaire to see if you do that. Mindfulness might help."
Should it be a) published as brief but accurate for others to extend; b) closed as merge (mention ANTs on Social anxiety disorder, either Depression (mood) or Major depressive disorder, and Mindfulness-based cognitive therapy); c) something else? Mortee ( talk) 16:04, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
We currently have the above two drafts on a single topic, probably created as part of a college project. Colleagues more knowledgeable than I tell me that the topic is notable and worth keeping, and have provided some additional sources. I've contacted the editors of both drafts suggesting they collaborate, but have received no responses, as they've probably moved on. The simplest thing would be for me to just create a new article incorporating the existing material, supplemented by the new sources. I could then Decline both drafts, with the rationale of there being an existing article. But I'm not sure that would be the most appropriate course of action. Would it, in fact, be better and fairer to the original editors, to work up one of the two existing drafts? If so, which one? I'd be grateful for advice. KJP1 ( talk) 14:42, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Just redirect the one you merge from to the one you merge into. Legacypac ( talk) 19:34, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Would someone else take a look at Draft:Josef Schmalz? Based on the content and the references provided I don't think he meets WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. A WP:BEFORE check is hampered both by language and by there being multiple people of that name. An article about him in the German Wikipedia, was nominated for deletion. I copied the discussion into Google translate and didn't spot that the dates were from last year and didn't see an outcome so thought it was a current discussion. However LAE means speedy keep. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 13:16, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
A situation that I encounter commonly is a draft in a sandbox when there is already a draft in draftspace with the appropriate name on the subject. By the way, I think that finding this is a side benefit of moving sandbox drafts into draft space; it finds duplicates, because the move is blocked. Usually the duplicate drafts are by the same author, and the duplication is a good-faith error, good-faith enthusiasm, or even an edit conflict (one reviewer moves the sandbox while another comments on it, creating two copies). If the two drafts are by the same person, then that is all right. Either they are the same, or one of them is a better draft (has had more work), and the earlier or less complete draft can be deleted.
However, sometimes I see two drafts that are the same or almost the same, down to the wording and the references, by different accounts. There are at least two possible accounts. First, they are one human, in which case it is sockpuppetry. Second, they are two different humans, in which case the second one is ripping off the first person's work, which is copyleft violation (and since a copyleft is a subspecies of copyright, any violation of the restrictions on the copyleft have the same full legal significance as a violation of a traditional copyright). Is there a third explanation?
My question, and I think I know the answer but am not sure, is which explanation should be preferred. I think that a version of Assume Good Faith would be Assume Less Bad Faith, and sockpuppetry is only a violation of the WMF's terms of use, while copyleft violation is also a violation of the laws of the United States. Comments? Robert McClenon ( talk) 02:13, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
In the course of reviewing this draft, Draft:PetShop uk, it has become apparent that the author, User talk:Ebrown58, is the owner of the business. I've advised him of the need to declare a conflict. It's also become apparent that he controls two further accounts, User talk:Lil-lambson, which has authored this draft about his wife, Draft:Alexandra Taylor, and this account, User talk:Giraffe601, which has authored this draft about himself, Draft:Adam Taylor. I've no idea as to the protocols around running multiple accounts with undeclared conflicts and would appreciate advice. It may be best if the advice is given directly to User talk:Ebrown58 and I'll let him know I've raised the query. Fuller details on my Talkpage if required. Many thanks. KJP1 ( talk) 17:39, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
On article acceptance the note posted to the user's talk page says: "note that because you are a logged-in user, you can create articles yourself, and don't have to post a request". With WP:ACTRIAL I don't think this is necessarily true anymore. jcc ( tea and biscuits) 19:28, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Can someone please look at Draft:Jarion Henry? It has no references, and the dates cannot possibly be correct. Is it just completely wrong, or is wrong in the sense of being a hoax? Robert McClenon ( talk) 01:38, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
This issue arises often enough that I think it is worth raising here for the comments of other reviewers. Sometimes when a draft is submitted, the AFC script shows that the title has been deleted one or more times in the past. Often the deletion was A7 or G11, and in those cases the fact of a previous deletion doesn't matter, because the relevant issue is the content of the current draft, and besides A7 doesn't apply to drafts. If the draft doesn't establish notability, and it usually doesn't, the proper action is simply to decline the draft based on a notability criterion and provide a brief comment. However, my question has to do with the situation where the draft was deleted following a deletion discussion. Articles for Creation is a mechanism for the review of drafts, not a mechanism to bypass the judgment of the community or to game the system. I will provide my own thinking and welcome any comments that agree, partly agree, or disagree. Since I normally haven't seen the deleted article, and cannot view it because I am not an administrator, I don't know whether the new draft is substantially the same as the deleted article. So I not only don't know whether the new draft will pass another AFD with the same participants, but I don't know whether the new draft is eligible for G4 speedy deletion. I generally don't think that I should simply accept the draft. My usual approach has been to ask the submitter to have the deleted article restored to user space or draft space via a Request for Undeletion so that I can compare. I know that some submitters resent this approach and say that the community was wrong in deleting the previous article, and that their draft should just be accepted. (First, if the closer was wrong, take it to Deletion Review. Second, if the community was wrong, maybe they will do another wrong deletion.) So what do other reviewers think should be done in this special situation where an article has previously been deleted via Articles for Deletion? Should I ask to have the deleted article restored in draft space? Should I simply tag the new draft as G4 and say that it is their problem? Should I simply use whatever judgment I would use in an AFD, or in an AFC with no history? Comments? Robert McClenon ( talk) 02:43, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
I would like to ask a somewhat general question, about when a reviewer should tag a draft for speedy deletion. Two obvious cases are G5 and A7. G5 is obvious, to me, because AFC has never been a mechanism for end-runs by sockpuppets. G5 applies to the (blocked or banned) author, not the topic as such. Anything that would be G5 in article space is G5 in draft space. A7 is obvious because it is obviously inapplicable to draft space, just as the other A criteria are inapplicable to draft space.
Also, I would say that G1 and G2 do not apply in draft space because tests are valid uses of sandboxes (although tests should not be submitted to AFC). G10 should be used for attack pages (some of which are just really bad stupid juvenile humor), because attack pages have no place anywhere in Wikipedia.
My main question has to do with when G11 should be used to tag really spammy drafts. A lot of marginal drafts that would get G11 in article space can just be declined as reading like an advertisement. My own thinking is that I will tag a draft as G11 if it is written in the first person plural ("we"), but that is just my thinking (and drafts that I have tagged this way normally do get deleted as G11). Comments on G11 in draft space? Comments on other G taggings in draft space? Robert McClenon ( talk) 03:10, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
exclusively promotional and would need to be fundamentally rewritten(emphasis in original). From the G11's I've deleted, these include (as you say) things like "buy from us" or "we're the company that the industry trusts". Also, pages that are obviously copied from a sales catalogue or review. Indeed, if when removing the promotional text you remove everything except "Acme is a company" or "Joe Bloggs is a singer" then it would fall under G11 (similar to how a copyvio draft should really only be G12'd if there's nothing substantial remaining after the cv is dealt with).
I'd appreciate it if another reviewer could have a look at this. It appears very dubious. I've detailed my concerns on the article's Talkpage. KJP1 ( talk) 21:00, 6 February 2018 (UTC)