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Most airlines, in particular non-European ones using this airport located in Mulhouse, France are actually serving Basel, Switzerland, in their schedules they only use the code BSL not MLH, but some editors are listing Mulhouse as their destination which is not the case, they only fly into the airport because Basel uses it and does not have one in Switzerland. So how to list in destinations list under France or Switzerland? 116.71.10.112 ( talk) 10:30, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
MilborneOne has removed the lists of aircraft in special livery from all three articles. There were no consensuses in two of the corresponding talk pages (in one of them, SkyTeam, I actually opposed I noticed tail numbers shouldn't be included in airline articles and pointed out that similar tables existed in all three articles; other editor besides MilborneOne supported the removal at Star Alliance's one). I have reverted these changes in all three articles as I believe the removal of significant information, as such contents is, deserves further discussion.--
Jetstreamer (
talk)
21:57, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
When one or two aircraft had special livery it was notable but adding a fleet list of every aircraft in alliance liveries when loads of aircraft are now marked is just not needed. We dont do fleet lists for airlines I dont see why alliances painted aircraft are an exception hence I proposed the tables were removed. After a period for comments I then removed them as per standard practice. MilborneOne ( talk) 16:54, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
(unindent) There is no procedural or editorial issue with this. The lists, including tail numbers etc., were excessive detail and it was quite appropriate for them to be removed; in fact, it would have been quite appropriate just to remove them without discussing it first, as per WP:BOLD, with an explanation left on the talk page. -- RFBailey ( talk) 06:00, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Moved to destinations archive discussion — Compdude123 ( talk | contribs) 04:26, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
This airlines name was reverted to Saha Airlines before their A300 even took off in the new name and livery, suggest change article title. 119.155.44.250 ( talk) 12:45, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
another version
As of December 2011, Horizon Air operates scheduled passenger flights to the following destinations: | ||||
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Country | State/Province | City | Airport | Ref |
Canada | Alberta | Calgary | Calgary International Airport | |
Edmonton | Edmonton International Airport | |||
British Columbia | Kelowna | Kelowna International Airport | ||
Vancouver | Vancouver International Airport | |||
Victoria | Victoria International Airport | |||
Mexico | Baja California Sur | La Paz | Manuel Márquez de León International Airport | |
Loreto | Loreto International Airport | |||
United States | California | Burbank | Bob Hope Airport | |
Nevada | Reno/ Lake Tahoe | Reno-Tahoe International Airport | ||
Washington | Walla Walla | Walla Walla Regional Airport |
OK first of all let me inform other editors here of your petty reversion of my edits because I pointed out your follies:
1. At Eritrean airlines I deleted an unecessary paragraph about frequencies and routing and that too in the destinations section, both totally against wiki rules, this guy reverted it only to get back at me, in summary he posted unexplained removal of content, when in my summary I clearly mentioned as the information being irrelevant, however I forgot to add its also against wiki rules to add these unecessary tid bits of type of aircraft, frequency and routing, since its NOT a travel guide.
2. At Turkish airlines I had put up a colour keyed sortable bar on top, the reason being for unknown reason it shrinks the table content text size by some amount giving a better look, see Air France destinations, this guy reverted the edit telling me it lacks the sorting arrows, so today I modified it to include sorting arrows and yet he has undone my edit calling it totally irrelevant.
If the above arent petty get back at you actions and taking ownership of an article, then I dont know what is.
Now about your comment above, I do not see how uglifying an article and losing its cohesiveness to the rest is called improving it, you did screw up my much improved Turkish Airlines destinations list which I brought in line with the better ones i.e Air France destinations minus all those unecessary icons, now that was improvement, removing uneeded icons, photos etc. making it look better than before. 116.71.15.152 ( talk) 17:27, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
The conclusion being that everyone should have stuck with the list format instead of embarking on the interminable quest for a "perfect table" which has only incited edit warring and inconsistency amongst articles, apart from the other disadvantages I listed originally. Speed74 ( talk) 17:52, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
New article about Tyva Airlines a Russian airline with content also added to Kyzyl Airport, the ICAO code and callsign quoted dont appear to be valid anybody have a reliable ref that it actually exists? thanks MilborneOne ( talk) 17:07, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion going on here about whether to feature the record 230-aircraft order from Lion Air on the "In the News" section of the Wikipedia homepage. Comments from this project would be appreciated. Thanks, Comp dude 123 04:13, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
If anyone gets a chance, can someone find a source stating that LOT will launch/resume service to Beijing, China. I know that there is already a source for being a past destination. I keep hearing some people say that the airline's CEO announced the flight but there needs to be a source that can be publicly accessed. But for now, it has been tagged with "citiation needed". Thanks! Snoozlepet ( talk) 20:10, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Another redirect contender with too few destinations and in a table format, let it stay or move to main article? 119.155.46.68 ( talk) 05:07, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi. Air Australia ceased today but Strategic Airlines Luxumbourg didnt. They are both in the Air Australia page so would you prefer me to create a new 'Strategic Airlines Luxembourg' page? Thanks MKY661 ( talk) 22:10, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Strategic Airlines Luxembourg MKY661 ( talk) 17:16, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
It seems like a group wishes to revive PeopleExpress as an air carrier: http://www.flypex.com/includes/pressKit.pdf WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:33, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Recently a differently-abled woman was forced not to travel by a SpiceJet flight in India. This news has quickly spread around the nation like a forest fire. But then we have User:Abhishek191288 who keeps reverting edits. As of now i have stopped editing most Airline pages. But i do find sock-puppets trying to put the info back. Currently we have two problems.
We are all looking for a peaceful solution. -- Anirudh Emani ( talk) 14:39, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Tiara Air article could do with a tidy up, I have removed the list of registrations in the fleet list but the IP likes to keep putting them back, appreciate if somebody else can have a look/keep an eye on it please. MilborneOne ( talk) 22:10, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
This user has placed {{citation needed}} tags all over the article. Wouldn't have been better to put a single {{refimprove}} template at the top of the article to avoid the unnecessary uglification of the page? -- Jetstreamer Talk 11:24, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
I started a new article that may be very high priority: Airlines of Africa WhisperToMe ( talk) 07:43, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone, in the article Alitalia there is an editor who is changing the fleet table continuously according to an Italian aviation forum, which seems to provide rumours/predictions on plane deliveries and dismissals, but can't be trusted as a valid ref. Could someone help me explain to him? Thanks, Speed74 ( talk) 06:41, 13 March 2012 (UTC).
Some one is adding stuff in the relaunch section of this airline that is more like PR spin, I removed the information but he has reverted the edits which I have undone again. 116.71.22.111 ( talk) 13:55, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
JAL have just about confirmed they are launching San Diego and Helsinki with in a year with December and March as the given months in their press release, yet these destinations are being removed from the articles here because the release does not carry EXACT dates, why the infelxible attitude? and please dont post that crystal ball bit here, nobody is guessing wether these routes are being launched, the airline has said they ARE being launched in the given months, when they give the exact dates add the dates there, if the destinations are not launched by end of the month remove them from the articles, but please drop this rigid, frumpy attitude more so with official press release. 116.71.20.207 ( talk) 09:38, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Tried to remove the fleet list from International Airlines Group back to the original summary but was reverted. It was pointed out that Air France-KLM has a similar table. The IAG is an airline holding company and does not own any aircraft a complex combined fleet list is not encyclopedic and the one on Air France-KLM is even worse it even includes seating information. Suggest that holding companies dont need full fleet lists of related airlines, propose that these lists be removed, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 20:00, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Users keep adding british midland aircraft to the total fleet list at International Airlines Group (also changing the British Airways and British Midland article), I cant revert it again, can I ask others to keep an eye on it. As far a reliable references indicate the company has not been sold yet just an agreement for sale, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 20:00, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
I had updated their destination list and added a new reference too but some BoT reverted it repeatedly calling it vandalism, going into an edit war, then an editor popped in starting to side with the BoT, I have sent two false positive reports since but the the updated destinations have not showed up. 116.71.17.125 ( talk) 21:44, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
I know the airline is wholly owned by Garuda, with its own managing director and own livery, however it pretty much operates with the parent company's GA flight numbers and GA callsigns with all operations under the Garuda Indonesia name. Should it be listed as Citilink operated by Garuda Indonesia, or as Garuda Indonesia operated by Citilink? Sb617 ( Talk) 00:18, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
The carrier has been merged into Jet Konnect since 25 March, and will operate using both 9W and S2 codes till its decided if one needs to be dropped, should'nt the article title be changed and necessary information added? 116.71.4.177 ( talk) 13:34, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
But how should we list the flights? I know couple of the airports that JetLite served still has JetLite listed as a seperate entry. Snoozlepet ( talk) 02:01, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
We seem to be having a problem at the ATQ airport article, Its regarding an Air India flight, the flight goes from YYZ-DEL (AI188), than a separate flight takes it from DEL-ATQ (AI971). Should Toronto-Pearson in the destinations area on the airport article? One user thinks so and another doesn't, could someone provide their opinion on whats the policy for this? Thanks. Gsingh ( talk) 00:08, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I have started a peer review for Alaska Airlines right here. I have done a lot of work on this article over the past year or so, and would love it if someone other than myself gave it some critique before I (eventually) promote it to GA status and even go so far as to promote it to FA status, though this peer review will probably be the beginning of continual improvements to this article; I bet it still has a long ways to go before a GA review takes place. Anyone is welcome to take a look and review this article; long or short, all of your comments are appreciated. Don't post any comments here; please post them on the review so I can see all your comments on this article. Thanks, Compdude123 ( talk) 05:40, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
The http://airlineroute.net is being used more and more as a reliable source for airline routes but most of it appears to be a forum or blog. The company behind it is UBM Aviation http://www.ubmaviation.com so it a commercial concern rather than self-published, any thoughts on its reliability. MilborneOne ( talk) 08:11, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Similar to what many users have been doing to Alaska Airlines, I think it is necessary that Southwest Airlines get an uplifting. The article is unorganized and simply not good. Can we get something like a group or so that will begin the transformation? I am saying this because it seems as though Alaska's page is pretty much at its pinnacle. So if I could have your help, that would be appreciated. Kairportflier ( talk) 02:02, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Western (airline) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Western (airline) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 15:39, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
New badly presented article at KLM Airlines Cargo but doesnt it actually exist as a separate airline and notable enough for a stand alone article? MilborneOne ( talk) 21:41, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
Southwest is in the process of converting AirTran 737-700's to Southwest and Southwest is converting 737-700s from 137 to 143 seats, so how do we stay up to date with the count of the planes in each column? Does anyone have a reliable updated source? Thanks! Kairportflier ( talk) 22:34, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
I just found that we had a list of top-viewed pages for this WikiProject. It's updated by a bot every month, and it gives us a good idea of which articles should be improved. Here are some items of note: Out of the top 10, the first three ( UA, DL and AA) are all C-Class. Only one article, British Airways (#7) is a good article; IMHO, all of the top ten should be at least good articles! #9 is Pan Am (B-Class; this ought to be a featured article) and #10 is Ryanair, which wins the award for having the longest criticism section of any Wikipedia airline article. (Are they really that bad?) #19 and #20 are Qatar Airways and Etihad Airways respectively, both of which are horrible articles in my opinion, starting with the history section (or rather, the near-absence thereof). Anyway, I hope this will give us all an idea of which articles we ought to spend time promoting to Good Article (let's not forget featured article) status. There's no need to waste time creating masterpieces that nobody will see. While it's important to work on articles for airlines that are smaller and don't get the attention they should, it's just as important to work on the most popular articles. — Comp dude 123 03:38, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello all. In the interest of improving airline articles with help from project members, I am starting an Article of the Month. The article for this month (May) is Alaska Airlines, which I've been working on for quite some time and I hope to get up to GA class and eventually Featured Article. I would appreciate your help with this article. Thanks, Comp dude 123 17:14, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
I think it is important to add a picture of the Southwest evolve interior to the Southwest page to replace the picture of the old interior that is in the fleet section. I do not know how to and have no interest in learning how to add a picture to wikipedia so can someone get someone to add this image which is the best to show the interior. Thanks! Kairportflier ( talk) 01:32, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
A user is trying to turn Avantair into a company or promotional page, I have reverted twice so would appreciate if somebody else could keep an eye on it, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 20:00, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
This user seems to have stopped turning the page into an advertisement. I will continue keeping an eye on it nonetheless. — Comp dude 123 02:59, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Is the incident about a lady being forced to deboard a plane as mentioned in SpiceJet#Incidents (under 2012), notable? — Abhishek Talk 15:31, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
This is definitely non-notable rubissh incidents due to some bozos include stupid incident. I accept sometimes I have make similar mistake, but this article must be dumped of it. Thanks.-- B767-500 ( talk) 05:50, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
User:Vvibbert has been adding liberal-POV information to the Delta Air Lines article. It appears that this user may have an agenda. If you read his/her comments on the talk page, he/she is trying to push POV, accusing the article and its editors of greenwashing and disruptively adding {{POV-check}} to the article to push his/her POV. Does anyone know what should be done about this user? ANDROS1337 TALK 17:22, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Why is this redirecting to Air Pacific since the airline is going back to the original name next year, kindly change it. 115.42.69.40 ( talk) 19:33, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Notice that Skytrax ratings are being added to the lead of many airline article, I suspect it is not important enough for the lead but should we have this sort of rating mentioned at all, and if we do why this one is it more important than the others, I suppose they are other rating systems? MilborneOne ( talk) 12:34, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments, I conclude that we dont need to mention Skytrax on airline articles particularly as an opinion site it is more travel guide than encyclopedic. MilborneOne ( talk) 11:44, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Should we just not include this info at all (except for the few "five star" airlines), or just remove it from the lead? — Comp dude 123 04:39, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I hadn't seen this topic. I will stop putting Skytrax information on airlines' wiki pages. I will also revert all my edits. Airlinesguy ( talk) 22:55, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
I think there needs to be an important distinction made. Rather than a blanket "ban" on including Skytrax information, it should be considered on a case by case basis. I agree that simply having X Airline is rated X stars by Skytrax isn't needed. But in cases, such as with Vancouver International Airport, where it is winning Skytrax's best airport award, and this is being reported on by a wide variety of media, it is worth including. Whether or not this is lead material or should go some where else, though, I think can be discussed on the individual talk pages. Ravendrop 22:37, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I notice that with a lot of tables and navboxes for airlines, they tend to match the airline's colors. Is this really necessary? In some cases it may make tables or navboxes harder to read. I boldly edited the Template:Delta Air Lines navbox to remove the dark blue and replace it with standard navbox colors, but was reverted by another editor who claimed that a lot of airlines do this. I think it's unneccesary and that this practice should be ended. Any thoughts? — Comp dude 123 17:13, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
I think that having colors just creates potential problems. Oftentimes, airlines will use several different colors in their livery. For example, with Delta one might argue that the table color should be white because that's what most of the aircraft fuselage is painted. Yet the dark blue color is also a sensible color to use since it's painted on the belly of aircraft as well as the tail. Same goes with AA, which uses red in tables. Red is just one of the colored stripes running down the fuselage. There's also white and blue, and let's not forget that most of the aircraft is painted silver. Having the colors in tables would just create edit wars and disputes over which of the airline's colors to use. That is why I propose completely removing them. This is not the airline's website; it is Wikipedia! — Comp dude 123 18:19, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that there were some major issues with start/end dates for AirTran/Southwest on wikipedia. I believe I fixed them all but just incase I think it is important for you to take note.
If you see any I missed please fix them, if any IP or Users undo these edits please redo them because I took a long time to research each route. Thanks! Kairportflier ( talk) 18:30, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
New article. Just published it yesterday. Regional Airline Association -- XB70Valyrie ( talk) 05:56, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Request to change BMI destinations title to British Midland International destinations to match main airline article title (e.g there is no PIA destinations on wiki its Pakistan International Airlines destinations) and the latter from Bmibaby to bmibaby by dropping big B, if you are titling some articles according to their branding style then do bmibaby this favour too. 111.119.165.245 ( talk) 17:41, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello there. Can you please drop some lines with your thoughts here. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jetstreamer ( talk • contribs) 17:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello,
The article of the month for June is going to be Southwest Airlines. There was some work being done on it a month ago but the improvement effort sort of faded out. This article still needs some work. More info could be added to the history section (especially for the 1980s and 1990s) and more citations need to be added as well. My hope is to make it a good article, just as I am doing with Alaska Airlines, and eventually a featured article. Any help from this project would be much appreciated. Thanks, Comp dude 123 16:45, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm working on a draft article to define the challenges facing airline pilots in the USA today. With Captain Chesley Sullenberger's testimony before the United States Senate that not one professional pilot he knows wants their children following in their foot-steps, this occupation is facing serious issues. I'd really appreciate a second and third POV. The article concept as it exists is admittedly POV of the pilots themselves. Here's my draft. User:XB70Valyrie/Piloting in the United States. Even recommendations left on its talk page would be appreciated as well.-- XB70Valyrie ( talk) 03:56, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
There seems to be certain IP users who keep adding focus cities for Alaska Airlines. I thought that they didn't have focus cities, and I could find no source proving this. I've been removing the information on the basis that it's unsourced, but users keep re-adding it and reverting my reversions of their edits. And plus, it's being reviewed for good article status, so I'm trying to make sure that any new info added is sourced, or removing if sources can't be found. Could somebody please try and find a source proving that AS has focus cities? Thanks a lot, Comp dude 123 16:59, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Alright, it's about time we all stop arguing about the destination formats and come to an agreement and consensus. Many of the members of this WikiProject including me are unhappy with the current format and would like to change it. So I am taking this giant step towards putting us on a path to coming to terms on a format we can all agree on. I propose no changes to the list format; let it be how it is. And please let's not get into a debate about changing the two FL-status lists List of Braathens destinations and List of Dragonair destinations. Those have been approved as the best lists on WP in their particular subject and that's that; don't bother changing them. As for all the other lists, well those we are free to do whatever the heck we want.
So, the scope of my changes would be the following:
So my changes would result in a table looking like this.
As of January 2011, Foo Airlines [this should be linked to the airline article and in bold] flies to the following destinations:
Hub | Hub |
F | Focus city |
[S] | Seasonal |
[F] | Future |
[T] | Terminated destination[A] |
[A]Terminated destinations should only be marked when there are no start and end dates, which is not the case for this table.
Please post your comments on this awesome new format in the comments section below. Thanks, Compdude123 ( talk) 00:54, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm not against a change, but the first thing that comes to my mind with most of the airlines is that it will be hard to determine the start date of current services, let alone the start and end dates for terminated destinations (a reference should be provided to support that it is effectively marked as terminated). As an editor that tends to reference every written sentence, it will be even harder to find sources for these claims. Furthermore, I'm not sure about removing ICAO/IATA codes, as many airports worldwide are recognised by its IATA code than by its name (i.e, JFK, LAX, CDG, LHR). Besides that, more possibilities are given to sorting if these two additional parameters are provided to that purpose, given that any reader would like to find out if an airport is served but s(he) remembers only IATA or ICAO codes (it happens to me most of the time). I'd also use just a single entry for each country, spanning with it all the rows for the destinations served in that country, rather than repeating it at each row. Finally, a cleaner version results in this version with flags not used. That's all for now.-- Jetstreamer ( talk) 02:38, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
What do you all think about removing flags? Since nobody has really commented on this, I don't know if there's really unanimous agreement or what, so please tell me what you think. And consider MOS:FLAGS. — Compdude123 ( talk | contribs) 07:00, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
(undent) +1 to removing flags. They're useless decorative cruft. Jpatokal ( talk) 06:06, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
What about "Cargo-only" and "Scheduled-chartered"? 147.8.102.148 ( talk) 07:55, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
What about an extra column for origins/destinations?
Country | Subdivision | Metro | Airport | Begin | End | Origins/Destinations | Refs |
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Canada | Ontario | Toronto | Pearson Airport | Jun 23, 2010 | Apr 6, 2011 | Boston, Dallas, Los Angeles, New York-JFK | |
Mexico | Baja California Sur | Los Cabos | Los Cabos Airport | Dec 16, 2010 | present | Chicago-O'Hare, Las Vegas | |
Mexico | Quintana Roo | Cancún | Cancún Airport[S] | Jan 19, 2011 | present | Chicago-O'Hare, New York-JFK, Philadelphia, San Francisco | |
Mexico | Jalisco | Puerto Vallarta | Lic. Gustavo Díaz Ordaz International Airport | Dec 2, 2011 | present | New York-JFK | |
etc. |
116.49.130.45 ( talk) 16:17, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
oh! another destinations list discussion, incase anyone is wonderingt IP 116.49 is not me, this is some one new here, I guess I will have to start using my username now. 116.71.25.63 ( talk) 10:24, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Ok, so since there hasn't been any comments on this post in at least a week, I am going to propose changes to project guidelines and add info as well as an example of how the new format should be formatted. Please disregard my original example above; this will be the new example/format that we will be agreeing on.
All the guidelines for the bulleted list format would remain the same of course, but we would essentially create guidelines for the table format, whose use is increasing.
Everything that is indented below is the text that would be added to the project guidelines page:
It is your choice to use the word based format or the table based format, but many members of this project would recommend using the table-based format because it is used in two featured lists, List of Braathens destinations and List of Dragonair destinations.
- In accordance with MOS:FLAGS do not add country flags to the table based format because airports do not really represent a particular country, which is required for flags to be added.
- Destination lists should always be sorted by country, not by city. They should also have the ability to be sorted by the reader.
- States and provinces should be added in parentheses in the country column. Not every country has states and provinces so do not create a separate column for these as it may be blank in many cases.
- If colors are used to identify certain destinations as hubs, focus cities, etc., they should be accompanied with a letter or symbol key as seen in the table below. In accordance with WP:COLOR, color alone should not be the only means of conveying information.
- Destination lists should always include some general info about the airline in addition to the list of destinations. It should include a short description (1–2 paragraphs) with general info about the airline such as a little history of the airline and how its destinations have changed over the years.
- Information about routing and cities served from a particular destination should not be included ( Wikipedia is not a travel guide), unless a certain route is particularly notable.
- Do not add IATA/ICAO airport codes as these are not widely used outside the aviation industry and can be easily found by clicking on the link to the airport's article.
Adding start/end dates is strongly encouraged but in many cases the information may not be available. In that case terminated destinations should be marked in gray to identify them.Edit by Comp dude 123 22:44, 25 February 2012 (UTC): Adding start/end dates is strongly encouraged but in many cases the information may be unavailable or hard to find. Even if the information on start/end dates is unavailable, terminated destinations should still be present in the table. And they should be marked with a gray background color in order to differentiate from destinations currently served by the airline.- And of course, destinations should always be suitably referenced by adding a ref to the "Ref" column in the table. Ideally, all rows of the ref column should be filled with refs.
As of January 2011, Foo Airlines [this should be linked to the airline article and in bold] flies to the following destinations:
Hub Hub F Focus city [S] Seasonal [F] Future [T] Terminated destination* *Terminated destinations should only be marked when there are no start and end dates, which is not the case for this table.
Please comment on these changes below. I know it's a lot of new changes but we are basically starting from a blank slate because there aren't really any guidelines on how to correctly format a destination list as a table in the project guidelines. Thanks, Comp dude 123 21:53, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
{{dts|format=dmy|1942|06|15}}
(where of course the format=dmy
is optional, this would depend on the variety of English chosen for the article). It is correct that blank table cells should be filled with a placeholder, but this should be an emdash (—), not a hyphen (-). Under the header for the first column, both "state" and "province" are capitalized, which is incorrect. The one issue I am uncertain about at FLC would be the inclusion of state/provinces in a separate column, I have never seen it be attempted, but I would tend to guess it would be frowned upon, but who knows. Refs should always be center-aligned, this should perhaps be explicitly mentioned. There is also one instance where a ref column is not needed, and that is where the entire table can be deducted from a single source. I have a book about
Linjeflyg, and it contains the entire table's information on two pages, which would then not have to be in each row. In general at FLC (and I'm a bit uncertain of the actual rule) present is replaced with an emdash, and 'unknown' would be used for those instances. To me it seems odd that the country is listed before the city, and I would definitely defaultsort the list by city, not country. I would recommended that a note be placed at
Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates in hope of getting a few regulars over to look through the proposal, as list layout expertise is needed to optimize such a guideline. If we're not careful, we risk creating a non-optimal guideline which could force sub-optimal solutions.
Arsenikk
(talk)
23:41, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
align=center
. But I do agree with using an emdash instead of "Present" in the end column, but I must say that the FL-status
List of Dragonair destinations (which you reviewed) says "present" in the end column. And to me, it seems odd that you think that it seems odd that the country is listed before the city; I would definitely default-sort the list by country, not city. It just looks more organized that way. And what do you think about having flags? My interpretation of
MOS:FLAGS is that flags would be discouraged, besides, they're really just unnecessary decorations. —
Comp
dude
123
03:43, 26 February 2012 (UTC)If above problems are not going to fixed, then I dislikes proposal. -- B767-500 ( talk) 04:49, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Colour keyed headers look really tacky in some cases, it would be better to have a single appropriate neutral colour for all table headers for all airlines be it destinations, fleet, performance, graphs etc. I vouch for dark grey. 119.155.39.105 ( talk) 12:48, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I think we have consensus here. I will update the project guidelines. Thanks, Comp dude 123 16:17, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to be late to add to the discussion, but with my limited time I'd rather focus on airports than airlines. One thing that discourages my participation here is the complication of table formatting. I know the good old days of text and bullets are gone, and I appreciate WP:AIRPORT's linking airports and its effect of discouraging vandals. But here at WP:AIRLINE, color formatting makes it just beyond my willingness to participate. If we can just have one table for current destinations and another for terminated, I can handle that. I don't know who else is in my situation, but airline destinations are so dynamic that we do not want to discourage participation by making things "look" too good. What's the point of getting featured and recognized but un-maintainable? HkCaGu ( talk) 05:47, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
I like your table Compdude123. I'm all for it. Kairportflier ( talk) 21:01, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
You know what, I really don't care either way whether or not we have colors in these tables or not. Heck, let's get rid of them; I don't care! As long as it is marked with text (i.e. Terminated, Seasonal, Hub, etc.) that's all that matters. — Comp dude 123 05:37, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
YESSS! Is everyone else happy? Kairportflier ( talk) 00:56, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I have updated the project guidelines. Hopefully we are all happy! — Comp dude 123 16:39, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
I've nominated this article for deletion, as it contains no information at all, and therefore cannot be considered encyclopedic with all its sections empty. Please provide your thoughts at the nomination page. Thanks.-- Jetstreamer Talk 14:01, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
On most low cost airlines pages, there is a section for awards. I could see 2 important awards, AQR and JD Power but do we really need to list all of them? I think for AirTran and Southwest put the AQR in history and for Alaska and JetBlue put JD power in history and just remove the rest. If there are a few other important ones like at Southwest being named one of the best places to work from Fortune they could be put in history. I say this all because for the most part this section on airlines pages is just a list of awards some of which are not important. Your comments are appreciated. Kairportflier ( talk) 14:03, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello. Do you think we need to merge some of these articles together as they seem to talk about the same thing in all of them:
JMC Air with Thomas Cook Airlines
Airtours International Airways with MyTravel Airways
Thanks -- MKY661 ( talk) 17:51, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that an IP user, 39.210.57.151 has been changing the format for listing codeshare agreements in tables from the standard bulleted list to a table with one column listing the airline and the other listing the alliance they are part of. An example can be seen in this edit to Korean Air and other articles as well. Not that I have anything against it, but I just wanted to see what others thought. Personally, while I don't really mind the table, I don't see why having one is any better than having a simple bulleted list that is easier to maintain anyway. Thoughts? — Comp dude 123 22:54, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
The article needs immediate attention regarding the lack of sources: it is virtually containing no references, and the few already there are unsourced notes placed at the bottom. Additionally, the IP user that has recently been editing the page is continuously adding unsourced stuff, like a minor incident where an aircraft was damaged by a catering truck at MIA. I opt for protection. Any thoughts?-- Jetstreamer Talk 22:20, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
As this source here http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/airport/maps/default.aspx and the United page, United claims that LHR and FRA operate hubs at those airport whereas the only destinations served nonstop from those 2 cities are to the other UA hubs (ORD, LAX, SFO, IAH, and EWR) and that page also lists Star Alliance carriers that claim to have hubs at the airports when in reality they do not. 68.113.122.83 ( talk) 01:45, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
The airlines cargo division was sold off/privatised two years ago, new owners changed the company name to Saudi Airlines Cargo from Saudi Arabian Airlines Cargo, however no alteration was made to title/livery on aircraft, even though title change did show up in a modified image of a 747 on their webpage but was later removed, webpage logo however reads new name Saudi Airlines Cargo, I doubt they will be rebranding as Saudia Cargo now since they are not linked with the state owned airline who have re-adopted the former title, so should cargo get a seprate article? 111.119.184.231 ( talk) 19:24, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
For wome weird reason, the airlines and destinations table on this page was collapsed. Is the list too long so it is collapsed but none of the other airport pages with the long table wasn't collasped. Snoozlepet ( talk) 00:30, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
The article needs immediate development because of it's top importance: it is Europe's 2010-2011 fastest growing airline, experiencing troubles in very recent history. Non-English users participation is not critical since there's a lot of airline-related international info. Happy edits, Ukrained2012 ( talk) 12:09, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
I've removed the PROD tag from this article, and noted that fact on its talk page. I don't think it should be deleted, I think it has notability. If anyone can improve the article or has more resources to add to it, please let me know. Thanks, -- Funandtrvl ( talk) 19:25, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
It's me again guys, sorry but I'm inspired today! Can you please drop your thoughts at this talk page? I propose there the removal of an entire unencyclopedic section. Thanks.-- Jetstreamer Talk 23:28, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Greetings fellow members of the Airline WikiProject! The Featured Article candidacy for Boeing 757 is now open at: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Boeing 757/archive1. Any input is welcome. Hopefully there are some airline project members who might wish to comment on this article about a widely-used airliner. Regards, SynergyStar ( talk) 00:33, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi there. I've seen edits like this one many times. Is it true that any airline alliance's member automatically codeshares all flights with the rest of the members in the same alliance just because of its membership? I'll appreciate if someone can clarify this point. Thanks.-- Jetstreamer Talk 23:11, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Reverted edits that all non-Middle East destinations are being dropped from 13 July, the airlines schedules show the destinations being served well beyond that date, but still clarification is needed. 111.119.188.134 ( talk) 16:13, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
What is the criteria for an airlines cargo division to have a seprate article even if not independant/privatised, and what allows some articles to exist with minimal content i.e LAN Cargo, MASkargo while others cannot be made i.e Martinair Cargo when passenger division was still there yet cargo side served more destinations but still no article, yet others have been merged back into parent airline article i.e El Al Cargo with minimum content like LAN, MAS, Cathay Pacific Cargo with maximum content and a seprate destinations page too like Singapore Airlines Cargo. 111.119.188.134 ( talk) 16:45, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Not sure what to make of List of VIP airlines of Russia but I dont really see the need for it, any notable airlines should already be listed in List of airlines of Russia. MilborneOne ( talk) 18:26, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
I just stumbled across {{ Pan Am Clipper Connection}}. It has an interesting history. It was created in 2008 as a redirect to Boston-Maine Airways (yes, a redirect from Template to Article namespace). Then last month it was inexplicably repurposed into a template listing former "airline marketing brands" and those of us who have been here a while can probably guess the IP editor who did this. Some of what is in there now may be worthwhile as navboxes in their own right, but the current location is clearly wrong and the layout and wording is atrocious. -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 16:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
I turned the vandalised SpiceJet destinations back to wikipedia format for text style lists and issued notice to vandal in edit summary but he undid it plus added a racial slur in his summary, please take note, thanks. 111.119.187.211 ( talk) 19:13, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
With this development does the article get changed to TAM Cargo, or does it go past tense here is first ABSA 767F painted into TAM Cargo livery [2] inspector ( talk) 18:11, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Do take a look at the article's talk page. Perhaps someone can shed some light into the subject. Thanks.-- Jetstreamer Talk 21:05, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
While looking through some Wikipedia pages, I came accross this template for List of airlines of Poland:
Should this become the default design of all Template:List of airlines of 'Insert country here'??
Comments welcome. Airlinesguy ( talk) 07:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Looks like the template got changed as was suggested by MilborneOne and I. — Comp dude 123 02:59, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Two seprate lists for current and former destinations have been created by another editor in violation of approved single table format. 221.120.249.110 ( talk) 18:22, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Is there a reason why there are no tailfin designs as part of the airlines infobox? Could we add it, say, at the bottom of the infobox? Many designs are quite distinctive and different from their general airline logo. BigSteve ( talk) 06:54, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Random thought here. Could a photo of a tail fin closeup, such as File:Starr 080207-2256 Cynodon dactylon.jpg (the filename doesn't mean much to me, but its a Hawaiian 767), replace the use of airline logos in the info box? The logo images we have now are all being used under fair use claims, but tail photos could be obtained under free content licenses. -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 15:17, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to talk in 2 paragraph lengths about each cabin on airline pages such as at Delta Air Lines and United Airlines? If I were the reader personally I would get bored and leave. I can understand a sentence saying Economy Plus offers extra legroom and what ever else but paragraphs about each I think is ridiculous. Thanks for your responses! Kairportflier ( talk) 21:26, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Can someone keep an eye on Austrian Airlines Group destinations? A new editor has started adding various unsourced destinations that I've been unable to verify. The first time he put in "starting 2013", and after I removed them, he's now readding some as if they are currently served. I can't revert again without running afoul of 3RR. Thanks. -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 23:45, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
I've nominated {{ Ecuador airlines destinations}} for deletion. Please discuss at the template's nomination page. Thanks.-- Jetstreamer Talk 19:54, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
For a while now, I've noticed that the Defunct Airlines WikiProject has been inactive, and nothing has been posted on its talk page for a while. There are very few participants compared to this project, and it seems unlikely that it ever got off the ground in the first place. What should be done about it? Should we merge it with this project, or should we encourage greater participation in the project? I kind of think that it should be merged with this project but I am not sure. What are your thoughts? — Comp dude 123 18:36, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
I've started a discussion regarding converting the Defunct airlines project into a task force. Visit this page for the discussion. — Comp dude 123 21:01, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Please visit the discussion to help get consensus. Thanks, Comp dude 123 19:42, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
I (sorry, lost password for old account) did both moves in the same article. User:Abhishek191288 was clearly not acting rational by approving on the talk page of the first move I did and not reverting it, but reverting my second move (including a wrong claim I would have started the thread) claiming it would have to be discussed here. Either both moves were correct or both moves were incorrect. Can someone neutral who is capable of thinking rational have a look and either revert my Tata Airlined move or revert his reverts? Thanks in advance. Lumialover2 ( talk) 22:18, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
AirTran's call signs are still in active use. Same for ticketing, FF accounting, much of anything you call operations. Or should I just say AirTran is simply operating on its parent company's certificate. And as previously discussed here and over at WP:AIRPORT, AirTran is not even really "merging" in different steps; it's simply winding down. It makes no sense to say it "ceased operation". Moreover, making AirTran past tense obligates us to add FL/TRS/CITRUS into Southwest Airlines' infobox. Do we really want that stupidity? HkCaGu ( talk) 08:31, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Should the Southwest Airlines article list the 717 in its fleet table? The reason I'm asking is that it was just removed and I'm hesitant to revert. — Comp dude 123 00:53, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Well it's not past tense anymore! Kairportflier ( talk) 16:24, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Ethiopian Airlines is being the target of anxious editors that are including a
Dreamliner as part of the fleet, when the airline is actually scheduled to take delivery of it in the next days. I'm over my
WP:3RR. I'd appreciate if someone can take a look at the article. Full protection has been requested. You're also invited to place your comments
here. Thanks.--
Jetstreamer
Talk
21:14, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Go to amadeus.net and see when they are launching Kuala lumpur service, its exactly on 31 October, just becuase a ref cannot be attached does not mean that every bit of valid information should be deleted and lock articles, if I was tech savy i would have saved the info image from amadeus uploaded it at a hosting site and attached it to the ET list, if you can do that then please do so.. 119.154.188.238 ( talk) 18:16, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Is Market share, profit/revenue by airline relevant to this article? — Abhishek Talk 10:05, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Can this feature be added to wiki airline and other articles so we know how many people have viewed between edits. 59.103.203.193 ( talk) 01:36, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
New destinations announced by airlines but with no date have been allowed to be posted as prose in the in airlines destinations lists, since they cannot be added in the list without a confirmed date, these destinations are announced both officially and unofficially as long is there is a valid reference attached confirming this, but Jetstreamer is deliberately removing such edits, whats the problem? I am posting it with in wiki rules and not flouting them. The date itself is confirmed at booking site amadeus.net as 31 October 2012. And I clearly stated in my edit the airlien "PLANS" to launch, not ARE launching, while the reference article clearly states from November. inspector ( talk) 21:22, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
SNOOZLEPET your comment is strange considering you said this:
and one from JETSTREAMER himself;
The last comment can only be suggesting approval for unfixed dates, Now what do you say? inspector ( talk) 22:48, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
We should be following the rule that is, we don't add destinations until there is an OFFICIAL press release with destination(s) AND dates or until the flights go for sale. Do not add if there are rumors or unofficial reports, etc... Also none of the begins September 30 pending gov approval etc... NO, if its not approved don't add it. Just my input. Kairportflier ( talk) 23:35, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Finally, there is a press release from Ethiopian Airlines announcing its flight to Kuala Lumpur. http://www.ethiopianairlines.com/en/news/pressreleases.aspx?hl= 336. I have updated Ethiopian Airlines destinations, Kuala Lumpur International Airport, Suvarnabhumi Airport, and Bole International Airport pages with the official press release from the airline. Snoozlepet ( talk) 06:32, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
User:Camilo Sanchez intends to include images for each airline in the list. I'd like to get some feedback regarding the proposal. I'm against it, because images are already included at each airline's article. Furthermore, I recently removed a column including information that was not that important and not considered encyclopedic, and I believe that plain images will again add no encyclopedic content to the article.-- Jetstreamer Talk 20:40, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello again guys! Can anyone of you please tell User talk:PatrickFlaherty that their last edits to Aeroflot are mentioning the same thing twice in the same sentence. I don't want this issue to become an edit war. Let me point out WP:& regarding the same thing.-- Jetstreamer Talk 21:00, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Let me draw your attention to this, where there has been a mass use of {{ start date and years ago}} in airline infoboxes, like in this edit. The user has already been warned, yet I doubt about getting any feedback from him/her. Any thougts on how to proceed? Thanks.-- Jetstreamer Talk 11:11, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi, does anyone think Singapore Airlines fleet has any encyclopedic value? It just seems a plane spotters list at the moment. Do we really need lists of Aircraft tail numbers? Thanks -- JetBlast ( talk) 00:29, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
I think jetstreamer has taken particular liking in picking up issues with me, he reverted my edit at Kuwait airways where I removed a supended destination and put in the terminated section, the reason for reverting my edit was no summary given, the destination removed clearly tagged ends 16 sep 2012 with ref attached, like wow as if any one will even bother to look up edit history to see why I edited and what was added or removed, besides no one does leave edit summaries in 99% of the editing done. Looks like a new low at settling scores. 119.154.98.14 ( talk) 22:48, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
Some editor is having an issue with the stub created on this new airline, whats wrong with it? many editors here have created similar stubs and I have followed their style exactly, it apperas he finds it not encylopedia worthy, buty its a stub what els eto add to it, this is all the info available now and liek I said similar stubs have been created in the past by editors of Project Airlines with minimum information just to get it started. inspector ( talk) 13:35, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
A few days ago I noticed this edit. I restored the destination and incidents section here. The editor was later blocked because of the user name. Today they sent an email saying the destination is not correct and is not shown on their site and I'll remove that. However, they also said that the incident has nothing to do with 8199400 and should also be removed. I'm not really willing to do that because as far as I can see the article is about Arctic Sunwest and not about either of the numbered companies. But I thought I would bring it here for a second (or more) opinion because I could be wrong. CambridgeBayWeather ( talk) 22:15, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Hello. Just wanted to draw your attention to the proposed deletion of the articles for failing notability.-- Jetstreamer Talk 10:21, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
The airline's operating license was suspended by India's government on 20 October 2012. However, the airline page is written in past tense as the airline as become defunct (but its website its still in operation with the booking engine, etc. still active). Is the airline considered officially defunct or operations just indefinitely suspended. Snoozlepet ( talk) 19:35, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussions on grammar and article tone at the above page. DrKiernan ( talk) 14:49, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
You are invited to join a discussion on the above page as to whether this improves the tone and grammar of the article. DrKiernan ( talk) 14:53, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
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Most airlines, in particular non-European ones using this airport located in Mulhouse, France are actually serving Basel, Switzerland, in their schedules they only use the code BSL not MLH, but some editors are listing Mulhouse as their destination which is not the case, they only fly into the airport because Basel uses it and does not have one in Switzerland. So how to list in destinations list under France or Switzerland? 116.71.10.112 ( talk) 10:30, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
MilborneOne has removed the lists of aircraft in special livery from all three articles. There were no consensuses in two of the corresponding talk pages (in one of them, SkyTeam, I actually opposed I noticed tail numbers shouldn't be included in airline articles and pointed out that similar tables existed in all three articles; other editor besides MilborneOne supported the removal at Star Alliance's one). I have reverted these changes in all three articles as I believe the removal of significant information, as such contents is, deserves further discussion.--
Jetstreamer (
talk)
21:57, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
When one or two aircraft had special livery it was notable but adding a fleet list of every aircraft in alliance liveries when loads of aircraft are now marked is just not needed. We dont do fleet lists for airlines I dont see why alliances painted aircraft are an exception hence I proposed the tables were removed. After a period for comments I then removed them as per standard practice. MilborneOne ( talk) 16:54, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
(unindent) There is no procedural or editorial issue with this. The lists, including tail numbers etc., were excessive detail and it was quite appropriate for them to be removed; in fact, it would have been quite appropriate just to remove them without discussing it first, as per WP:BOLD, with an explanation left on the talk page. -- RFBailey ( talk) 06:00, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Moved to destinations archive discussion — Compdude123 ( talk | contribs) 04:26, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
This airlines name was reverted to Saha Airlines before their A300 even took off in the new name and livery, suggest change article title. 119.155.44.250 ( talk) 12:45, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
another version
As of December 2011, Horizon Air operates scheduled passenger flights to the following destinations: | ||||
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Country | State/Province | City | Airport | Ref |
Canada | Alberta | Calgary | Calgary International Airport | |
Edmonton | Edmonton International Airport | |||
British Columbia | Kelowna | Kelowna International Airport | ||
Vancouver | Vancouver International Airport | |||
Victoria | Victoria International Airport | |||
Mexico | Baja California Sur | La Paz | Manuel Márquez de León International Airport | |
Loreto | Loreto International Airport | |||
United States | California | Burbank | Bob Hope Airport | |
Nevada | Reno/ Lake Tahoe | Reno-Tahoe International Airport | ||
Washington | Walla Walla | Walla Walla Regional Airport |
OK first of all let me inform other editors here of your petty reversion of my edits because I pointed out your follies:
1. At Eritrean airlines I deleted an unecessary paragraph about frequencies and routing and that too in the destinations section, both totally against wiki rules, this guy reverted it only to get back at me, in summary he posted unexplained removal of content, when in my summary I clearly mentioned as the information being irrelevant, however I forgot to add its also against wiki rules to add these unecessary tid bits of type of aircraft, frequency and routing, since its NOT a travel guide.
2. At Turkish airlines I had put up a colour keyed sortable bar on top, the reason being for unknown reason it shrinks the table content text size by some amount giving a better look, see Air France destinations, this guy reverted the edit telling me it lacks the sorting arrows, so today I modified it to include sorting arrows and yet he has undone my edit calling it totally irrelevant.
If the above arent petty get back at you actions and taking ownership of an article, then I dont know what is.
Now about your comment above, I do not see how uglifying an article and losing its cohesiveness to the rest is called improving it, you did screw up my much improved Turkish Airlines destinations list which I brought in line with the better ones i.e Air France destinations minus all those unecessary icons, now that was improvement, removing uneeded icons, photos etc. making it look better than before. 116.71.15.152 ( talk) 17:27, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
The conclusion being that everyone should have stuck with the list format instead of embarking on the interminable quest for a "perfect table" which has only incited edit warring and inconsistency amongst articles, apart from the other disadvantages I listed originally. Speed74 ( talk) 17:52, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
New article about Tyva Airlines a Russian airline with content also added to Kyzyl Airport, the ICAO code and callsign quoted dont appear to be valid anybody have a reliable ref that it actually exists? thanks MilborneOne ( talk) 17:07, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion going on here about whether to feature the record 230-aircraft order from Lion Air on the "In the News" section of the Wikipedia homepage. Comments from this project would be appreciated. Thanks, Comp dude 123 04:13, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
If anyone gets a chance, can someone find a source stating that LOT will launch/resume service to Beijing, China. I know that there is already a source for being a past destination. I keep hearing some people say that the airline's CEO announced the flight but there needs to be a source that can be publicly accessed. But for now, it has been tagged with "citiation needed". Thanks! Snoozlepet ( talk) 20:10, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Another redirect contender with too few destinations and in a table format, let it stay or move to main article? 119.155.46.68 ( talk) 05:07, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi. Air Australia ceased today but Strategic Airlines Luxumbourg didnt. They are both in the Air Australia page so would you prefer me to create a new 'Strategic Airlines Luxembourg' page? Thanks MKY661 ( talk) 22:10, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Strategic Airlines Luxembourg MKY661 ( talk) 17:16, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
It seems like a group wishes to revive PeopleExpress as an air carrier: http://www.flypex.com/includes/pressKit.pdf WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:33, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Recently a differently-abled woman was forced not to travel by a SpiceJet flight in India. This news has quickly spread around the nation like a forest fire. But then we have User:Abhishek191288 who keeps reverting edits. As of now i have stopped editing most Airline pages. But i do find sock-puppets trying to put the info back. Currently we have two problems.
We are all looking for a peaceful solution. -- Anirudh Emani ( talk) 14:39, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Tiara Air article could do with a tidy up, I have removed the list of registrations in the fleet list but the IP likes to keep putting them back, appreciate if somebody else can have a look/keep an eye on it please. MilborneOne ( talk) 22:10, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
This user has placed {{citation needed}} tags all over the article. Wouldn't have been better to put a single {{refimprove}} template at the top of the article to avoid the unnecessary uglification of the page? -- Jetstreamer Talk 11:24, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
I started a new article that may be very high priority: Airlines of Africa WhisperToMe ( talk) 07:43, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone, in the article Alitalia there is an editor who is changing the fleet table continuously according to an Italian aviation forum, which seems to provide rumours/predictions on plane deliveries and dismissals, but can't be trusted as a valid ref. Could someone help me explain to him? Thanks, Speed74 ( talk) 06:41, 13 March 2012 (UTC).
Some one is adding stuff in the relaunch section of this airline that is more like PR spin, I removed the information but he has reverted the edits which I have undone again. 116.71.22.111 ( talk) 13:55, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
JAL have just about confirmed they are launching San Diego and Helsinki with in a year with December and March as the given months in their press release, yet these destinations are being removed from the articles here because the release does not carry EXACT dates, why the infelxible attitude? and please dont post that crystal ball bit here, nobody is guessing wether these routes are being launched, the airline has said they ARE being launched in the given months, when they give the exact dates add the dates there, if the destinations are not launched by end of the month remove them from the articles, but please drop this rigid, frumpy attitude more so with official press release. 116.71.20.207 ( talk) 09:38, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Tried to remove the fleet list from International Airlines Group back to the original summary but was reverted. It was pointed out that Air France-KLM has a similar table. The IAG is an airline holding company and does not own any aircraft a complex combined fleet list is not encyclopedic and the one on Air France-KLM is even worse it even includes seating information. Suggest that holding companies dont need full fleet lists of related airlines, propose that these lists be removed, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 20:00, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Users keep adding british midland aircraft to the total fleet list at International Airlines Group (also changing the British Airways and British Midland article), I cant revert it again, can I ask others to keep an eye on it. As far a reliable references indicate the company has not been sold yet just an agreement for sale, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 20:00, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
I had updated their destination list and added a new reference too but some BoT reverted it repeatedly calling it vandalism, going into an edit war, then an editor popped in starting to side with the BoT, I have sent two false positive reports since but the the updated destinations have not showed up. 116.71.17.125 ( talk) 21:44, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
I know the airline is wholly owned by Garuda, with its own managing director and own livery, however it pretty much operates with the parent company's GA flight numbers and GA callsigns with all operations under the Garuda Indonesia name. Should it be listed as Citilink operated by Garuda Indonesia, or as Garuda Indonesia operated by Citilink? Sb617 ( Talk) 00:18, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
The carrier has been merged into Jet Konnect since 25 March, and will operate using both 9W and S2 codes till its decided if one needs to be dropped, should'nt the article title be changed and necessary information added? 116.71.4.177 ( talk) 13:34, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
But how should we list the flights? I know couple of the airports that JetLite served still has JetLite listed as a seperate entry. Snoozlepet ( talk) 02:01, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
We seem to be having a problem at the ATQ airport article, Its regarding an Air India flight, the flight goes from YYZ-DEL (AI188), than a separate flight takes it from DEL-ATQ (AI971). Should Toronto-Pearson in the destinations area on the airport article? One user thinks so and another doesn't, could someone provide their opinion on whats the policy for this? Thanks. Gsingh ( talk) 00:08, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I have started a peer review for Alaska Airlines right here. I have done a lot of work on this article over the past year or so, and would love it if someone other than myself gave it some critique before I (eventually) promote it to GA status and even go so far as to promote it to FA status, though this peer review will probably be the beginning of continual improvements to this article; I bet it still has a long ways to go before a GA review takes place. Anyone is welcome to take a look and review this article; long or short, all of your comments are appreciated. Don't post any comments here; please post them on the review so I can see all your comments on this article. Thanks, Compdude123 ( talk) 05:40, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
The http://airlineroute.net is being used more and more as a reliable source for airline routes but most of it appears to be a forum or blog. The company behind it is UBM Aviation http://www.ubmaviation.com so it a commercial concern rather than self-published, any thoughts on its reliability. MilborneOne ( talk) 08:11, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Similar to what many users have been doing to Alaska Airlines, I think it is necessary that Southwest Airlines get an uplifting. The article is unorganized and simply not good. Can we get something like a group or so that will begin the transformation? I am saying this because it seems as though Alaska's page is pretty much at its pinnacle. So if I could have your help, that would be appreciated. Kairportflier ( talk) 02:02, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Western (airline) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
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New badly presented article at KLM Airlines Cargo but doesnt it actually exist as a separate airline and notable enough for a stand alone article? MilborneOne ( talk) 21:41, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
Southwest is in the process of converting AirTran 737-700's to Southwest and Southwest is converting 737-700s from 137 to 143 seats, so how do we stay up to date with the count of the planes in each column? Does anyone have a reliable updated source? Thanks! Kairportflier ( talk) 22:34, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
I just found that we had a list of top-viewed pages for this WikiProject. It's updated by a bot every month, and it gives us a good idea of which articles should be improved. Here are some items of note: Out of the top 10, the first three ( UA, DL and AA) are all C-Class. Only one article, British Airways (#7) is a good article; IMHO, all of the top ten should be at least good articles! #9 is Pan Am (B-Class; this ought to be a featured article) and #10 is Ryanair, which wins the award for having the longest criticism section of any Wikipedia airline article. (Are they really that bad?) #19 and #20 are Qatar Airways and Etihad Airways respectively, both of which are horrible articles in my opinion, starting with the history section (or rather, the near-absence thereof). Anyway, I hope this will give us all an idea of which articles we ought to spend time promoting to Good Article (let's not forget featured article) status. There's no need to waste time creating masterpieces that nobody will see. While it's important to work on articles for airlines that are smaller and don't get the attention they should, it's just as important to work on the most popular articles. — Comp dude 123 03:38, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello all. In the interest of improving airline articles with help from project members, I am starting an Article of the Month. The article for this month (May) is Alaska Airlines, which I've been working on for quite some time and I hope to get up to GA class and eventually Featured Article. I would appreciate your help with this article. Thanks, Comp dude 123 17:14, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
I think it is important to add a picture of the Southwest evolve interior to the Southwest page to replace the picture of the old interior that is in the fleet section. I do not know how to and have no interest in learning how to add a picture to wikipedia so can someone get someone to add this image which is the best to show the interior. Thanks! Kairportflier ( talk) 01:32, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
A user is trying to turn Avantair into a company or promotional page, I have reverted twice so would appreciate if somebody else could keep an eye on it, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 20:00, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
This user seems to have stopped turning the page into an advertisement. I will continue keeping an eye on it nonetheless. — Comp dude 123 02:59, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Is the incident about a lady being forced to deboard a plane as mentioned in SpiceJet#Incidents (under 2012), notable? — Abhishek Talk 15:31, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
This is definitely non-notable rubissh incidents due to some bozos include stupid incident. I accept sometimes I have make similar mistake, but this article must be dumped of it. Thanks.-- B767-500 ( talk) 05:50, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
User:Vvibbert has been adding liberal-POV information to the Delta Air Lines article. It appears that this user may have an agenda. If you read his/her comments on the talk page, he/she is trying to push POV, accusing the article and its editors of greenwashing and disruptively adding {{POV-check}} to the article to push his/her POV. Does anyone know what should be done about this user? ANDROS1337 TALK 17:22, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Why is this redirecting to Air Pacific since the airline is going back to the original name next year, kindly change it. 115.42.69.40 ( talk) 19:33, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Notice that Skytrax ratings are being added to the lead of many airline article, I suspect it is not important enough for the lead but should we have this sort of rating mentioned at all, and if we do why this one is it more important than the others, I suppose they are other rating systems? MilborneOne ( talk) 12:34, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments, I conclude that we dont need to mention Skytrax on airline articles particularly as an opinion site it is more travel guide than encyclopedic. MilborneOne ( talk) 11:44, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Should we just not include this info at all (except for the few "five star" airlines), or just remove it from the lead? — Comp dude 123 04:39, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I hadn't seen this topic. I will stop putting Skytrax information on airlines' wiki pages. I will also revert all my edits. Airlinesguy ( talk) 22:55, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
I think there needs to be an important distinction made. Rather than a blanket "ban" on including Skytrax information, it should be considered on a case by case basis. I agree that simply having X Airline is rated X stars by Skytrax isn't needed. But in cases, such as with Vancouver International Airport, where it is winning Skytrax's best airport award, and this is being reported on by a wide variety of media, it is worth including. Whether or not this is lead material or should go some where else, though, I think can be discussed on the individual talk pages. Ravendrop 22:37, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I notice that with a lot of tables and navboxes for airlines, they tend to match the airline's colors. Is this really necessary? In some cases it may make tables or navboxes harder to read. I boldly edited the Template:Delta Air Lines navbox to remove the dark blue and replace it with standard navbox colors, but was reverted by another editor who claimed that a lot of airlines do this. I think it's unneccesary and that this practice should be ended. Any thoughts? — Comp dude 123 17:13, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
I think that having colors just creates potential problems. Oftentimes, airlines will use several different colors in their livery. For example, with Delta one might argue that the table color should be white because that's what most of the aircraft fuselage is painted. Yet the dark blue color is also a sensible color to use since it's painted on the belly of aircraft as well as the tail. Same goes with AA, which uses red in tables. Red is just one of the colored stripes running down the fuselage. There's also white and blue, and let's not forget that most of the aircraft is painted silver. Having the colors in tables would just create edit wars and disputes over which of the airline's colors to use. That is why I propose completely removing them. This is not the airline's website; it is Wikipedia! — Comp dude 123 18:19, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that there were some major issues with start/end dates for AirTran/Southwest on wikipedia. I believe I fixed them all but just incase I think it is important for you to take note.
If you see any I missed please fix them, if any IP or Users undo these edits please redo them because I took a long time to research each route. Thanks! Kairportflier ( talk) 18:30, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
New article. Just published it yesterday. Regional Airline Association -- XB70Valyrie ( talk) 05:56, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Request to change BMI destinations title to British Midland International destinations to match main airline article title (e.g there is no PIA destinations on wiki its Pakistan International Airlines destinations) and the latter from Bmibaby to bmibaby by dropping big B, if you are titling some articles according to their branding style then do bmibaby this favour too. 111.119.165.245 ( talk) 17:41, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello there. Can you please drop some lines with your thoughts here. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jetstreamer ( talk • contribs) 17:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello,
The article of the month for June is going to be Southwest Airlines. There was some work being done on it a month ago but the improvement effort sort of faded out. This article still needs some work. More info could be added to the history section (especially for the 1980s and 1990s) and more citations need to be added as well. My hope is to make it a good article, just as I am doing with Alaska Airlines, and eventually a featured article. Any help from this project would be much appreciated. Thanks, Comp dude 123 16:45, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm working on a draft article to define the challenges facing airline pilots in the USA today. With Captain Chesley Sullenberger's testimony before the United States Senate that not one professional pilot he knows wants their children following in their foot-steps, this occupation is facing serious issues. I'd really appreciate a second and third POV. The article concept as it exists is admittedly POV of the pilots themselves. Here's my draft. User:XB70Valyrie/Piloting in the United States. Even recommendations left on its talk page would be appreciated as well.-- XB70Valyrie ( talk) 03:56, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
There seems to be certain IP users who keep adding focus cities for Alaska Airlines. I thought that they didn't have focus cities, and I could find no source proving this. I've been removing the information on the basis that it's unsourced, but users keep re-adding it and reverting my reversions of their edits. And plus, it's being reviewed for good article status, so I'm trying to make sure that any new info added is sourced, or removing if sources can't be found. Could somebody please try and find a source proving that AS has focus cities? Thanks a lot, Comp dude 123 16:59, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Alright, it's about time we all stop arguing about the destination formats and come to an agreement and consensus. Many of the members of this WikiProject including me are unhappy with the current format and would like to change it. So I am taking this giant step towards putting us on a path to coming to terms on a format we can all agree on. I propose no changes to the list format; let it be how it is. And please let's not get into a debate about changing the two FL-status lists List of Braathens destinations and List of Dragonair destinations. Those have been approved as the best lists on WP in their particular subject and that's that; don't bother changing them. As for all the other lists, well those we are free to do whatever the heck we want.
So, the scope of my changes would be the following:
So my changes would result in a table looking like this.
As of January 2011, Foo Airlines [this should be linked to the airline article and in bold] flies to the following destinations:
Hub | Hub |
F | Focus city |
[S] | Seasonal |
[F] | Future |
[T] | Terminated destination[A] |
[A]Terminated destinations should only be marked when there are no start and end dates, which is not the case for this table.
Please post your comments on this awesome new format in the comments section below. Thanks, Compdude123 ( talk) 00:54, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm not against a change, but the first thing that comes to my mind with most of the airlines is that it will be hard to determine the start date of current services, let alone the start and end dates for terminated destinations (a reference should be provided to support that it is effectively marked as terminated). As an editor that tends to reference every written sentence, it will be even harder to find sources for these claims. Furthermore, I'm not sure about removing ICAO/IATA codes, as many airports worldwide are recognised by its IATA code than by its name (i.e, JFK, LAX, CDG, LHR). Besides that, more possibilities are given to sorting if these two additional parameters are provided to that purpose, given that any reader would like to find out if an airport is served but s(he) remembers only IATA or ICAO codes (it happens to me most of the time). I'd also use just a single entry for each country, spanning with it all the rows for the destinations served in that country, rather than repeating it at each row. Finally, a cleaner version results in this version with flags not used. That's all for now.-- Jetstreamer ( talk) 02:38, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
What do you all think about removing flags? Since nobody has really commented on this, I don't know if there's really unanimous agreement or what, so please tell me what you think. And consider MOS:FLAGS. — Compdude123 ( talk | contribs) 07:00, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
(undent) +1 to removing flags. They're useless decorative cruft. Jpatokal ( talk) 06:06, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
What about "Cargo-only" and "Scheduled-chartered"? 147.8.102.148 ( talk) 07:55, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
What about an extra column for origins/destinations?
Country | Subdivision | Metro | Airport | Begin | End | Origins/Destinations | Refs |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Canada | Ontario | Toronto | Pearson Airport | Jun 23, 2010 | Apr 6, 2011 | Boston, Dallas, Los Angeles, New York-JFK | |
Mexico | Baja California Sur | Los Cabos | Los Cabos Airport | Dec 16, 2010 | present | Chicago-O'Hare, Las Vegas | |
Mexico | Quintana Roo | Cancún | Cancún Airport[S] | Jan 19, 2011 | present | Chicago-O'Hare, New York-JFK, Philadelphia, San Francisco | |
Mexico | Jalisco | Puerto Vallarta | Lic. Gustavo Díaz Ordaz International Airport | Dec 2, 2011 | present | New York-JFK | |
etc. |
116.49.130.45 ( talk) 16:17, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
oh! another destinations list discussion, incase anyone is wonderingt IP 116.49 is not me, this is some one new here, I guess I will have to start using my username now. 116.71.25.63 ( talk) 10:24, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Ok, so since there hasn't been any comments on this post in at least a week, I am going to propose changes to project guidelines and add info as well as an example of how the new format should be formatted. Please disregard my original example above; this will be the new example/format that we will be agreeing on.
All the guidelines for the bulleted list format would remain the same of course, but we would essentially create guidelines for the table format, whose use is increasing.
Everything that is indented below is the text that would be added to the project guidelines page:
It is your choice to use the word based format or the table based format, but many members of this project would recommend using the table-based format because it is used in two featured lists, List of Braathens destinations and List of Dragonair destinations.
- In accordance with MOS:FLAGS do not add country flags to the table based format because airports do not really represent a particular country, which is required for flags to be added.
- Destination lists should always be sorted by country, not by city. They should also have the ability to be sorted by the reader.
- States and provinces should be added in parentheses in the country column. Not every country has states and provinces so do not create a separate column for these as it may be blank in many cases.
- If colors are used to identify certain destinations as hubs, focus cities, etc., they should be accompanied with a letter or symbol key as seen in the table below. In accordance with WP:COLOR, color alone should not be the only means of conveying information.
- Destination lists should always include some general info about the airline in addition to the list of destinations. It should include a short description (1–2 paragraphs) with general info about the airline such as a little history of the airline and how its destinations have changed over the years.
- Information about routing and cities served from a particular destination should not be included ( Wikipedia is not a travel guide), unless a certain route is particularly notable.
- Do not add IATA/ICAO airport codes as these are not widely used outside the aviation industry and can be easily found by clicking on the link to the airport's article.
Adding start/end dates is strongly encouraged but in many cases the information may not be available. In that case terminated destinations should be marked in gray to identify them.Edit by Comp dude 123 22:44, 25 February 2012 (UTC): Adding start/end dates is strongly encouraged but in many cases the information may be unavailable or hard to find. Even if the information on start/end dates is unavailable, terminated destinations should still be present in the table. And they should be marked with a gray background color in order to differentiate from destinations currently served by the airline.- And of course, destinations should always be suitably referenced by adding a ref to the "Ref" column in the table. Ideally, all rows of the ref column should be filled with refs.
As of January 2011, Foo Airlines [this should be linked to the airline article and in bold] flies to the following destinations:
Hub Hub F Focus city [S] Seasonal [F] Future [T] Terminated destination* *Terminated destinations should only be marked when there are no start and end dates, which is not the case for this table.
Please comment on these changes below. I know it's a lot of new changes but we are basically starting from a blank slate because there aren't really any guidelines on how to correctly format a destination list as a table in the project guidelines. Thanks, Comp dude 123 21:53, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
{{dts|format=dmy|1942|06|15}}
(where of course the format=dmy
is optional, this would depend on the variety of English chosen for the article). It is correct that blank table cells should be filled with a placeholder, but this should be an emdash (—), not a hyphen (-). Under the header for the first column, both "state" and "province" are capitalized, which is incorrect. The one issue I am uncertain about at FLC would be the inclusion of state/provinces in a separate column, I have never seen it be attempted, but I would tend to guess it would be frowned upon, but who knows. Refs should always be center-aligned, this should perhaps be explicitly mentioned. There is also one instance where a ref column is not needed, and that is where the entire table can be deducted from a single source. I have a book about
Linjeflyg, and it contains the entire table's information on two pages, which would then not have to be in each row. In general at FLC (and I'm a bit uncertain of the actual rule) present is replaced with an emdash, and 'unknown' would be used for those instances. To me it seems odd that the country is listed before the city, and I would definitely defaultsort the list by city, not country. I would recommended that a note be placed at
Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates in hope of getting a few regulars over to look through the proposal, as list layout expertise is needed to optimize such a guideline. If we're not careful, we risk creating a non-optimal guideline which could force sub-optimal solutions.
Arsenikk
(talk)
23:41, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
align=center
. But I do agree with using an emdash instead of "Present" in the end column, but I must say that the FL-status
List of Dragonair destinations (which you reviewed) says "present" in the end column. And to me, it seems odd that you think that it seems odd that the country is listed before the city; I would definitely default-sort the list by country, not city. It just looks more organized that way. And what do you think about having flags? My interpretation of
MOS:FLAGS is that flags would be discouraged, besides, they're really just unnecessary decorations. —
Comp
dude
123
03:43, 26 February 2012 (UTC)If above problems are not going to fixed, then I dislikes proposal. -- B767-500 ( talk) 04:49, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Colour keyed headers look really tacky in some cases, it would be better to have a single appropriate neutral colour for all table headers for all airlines be it destinations, fleet, performance, graphs etc. I vouch for dark grey. 119.155.39.105 ( talk) 12:48, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I think we have consensus here. I will update the project guidelines. Thanks, Comp dude 123 16:17, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to be late to add to the discussion, but with my limited time I'd rather focus on airports than airlines. One thing that discourages my participation here is the complication of table formatting. I know the good old days of text and bullets are gone, and I appreciate WP:AIRPORT's linking airports and its effect of discouraging vandals. But here at WP:AIRLINE, color formatting makes it just beyond my willingness to participate. If we can just have one table for current destinations and another for terminated, I can handle that. I don't know who else is in my situation, but airline destinations are so dynamic that we do not want to discourage participation by making things "look" too good. What's the point of getting featured and recognized but un-maintainable? HkCaGu ( talk) 05:47, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
I like your table Compdude123. I'm all for it. Kairportflier ( talk) 21:01, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
You know what, I really don't care either way whether or not we have colors in these tables or not. Heck, let's get rid of them; I don't care! As long as it is marked with text (i.e. Terminated, Seasonal, Hub, etc.) that's all that matters. — Comp dude 123 05:37, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
YESSS! Is everyone else happy? Kairportflier ( talk) 00:56, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I have updated the project guidelines. Hopefully we are all happy! — Comp dude 123 16:39, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
I've nominated this article for deletion, as it contains no information at all, and therefore cannot be considered encyclopedic with all its sections empty. Please provide your thoughts at the nomination page. Thanks.-- Jetstreamer Talk 14:01, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
On most low cost airlines pages, there is a section for awards. I could see 2 important awards, AQR and JD Power but do we really need to list all of them? I think for AirTran and Southwest put the AQR in history and for Alaska and JetBlue put JD power in history and just remove the rest. If there are a few other important ones like at Southwest being named one of the best places to work from Fortune they could be put in history. I say this all because for the most part this section on airlines pages is just a list of awards some of which are not important. Your comments are appreciated. Kairportflier ( talk) 14:03, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello. Do you think we need to merge some of these articles together as they seem to talk about the same thing in all of them:
JMC Air with Thomas Cook Airlines
Airtours International Airways with MyTravel Airways
Thanks -- MKY661 ( talk) 17:51, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that an IP user, 39.210.57.151 has been changing the format for listing codeshare agreements in tables from the standard bulleted list to a table with one column listing the airline and the other listing the alliance they are part of. An example can be seen in this edit to Korean Air and other articles as well. Not that I have anything against it, but I just wanted to see what others thought. Personally, while I don't really mind the table, I don't see why having one is any better than having a simple bulleted list that is easier to maintain anyway. Thoughts? — Comp dude 123 22:54, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
The article needs immediate attention regarding the lack of sources: it is virtually containing no references, and the few already there are unsourced notes placed at the bottom. Additionally, the IP user that has recently been editing the page is continuously adding unsourced stuff, like a minor incident where an aircraft was damaged by a catering truck at MIA. I opt for protection. Any thoughts?-- Jetstreamer Talk 22:20, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
As this source here http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/airport/maps/default.aspx and the United page, United claims that LHR and FRA operate hubs at those airport whereas the only destinations served nonstop from those 2 cities are to the other UA hubs (ORD, LAX, SFO, IAH, and EWR) and that page also lists Star Alliance carriers that claim to have hubs at the airports when in reality they do not. 68.113.122.83 ( talk) 01:45, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
The airlines cargo division was sold off/privatised two years ago, new owners changed the company name to Saudi Airlines Cargo from Saudi Arabian Airlines Cargo, however no alteration was made to title/livery on aircraft, even though title change did show up in a modified image of a 747 on their webpage but was later removed, webpage logo however reads new name Saudi Airlines Cargo, I doubt they will be rebranding as Saudia Cargo now since they are not linked with the state owned airline who have re-adopted the former title, so should cargo get a seprate article? 111.119.184.231 ( talk) 19:24, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
For wome weird reason, the airlines and destinations table on this page was collapsed. Is the list too long so it is collapsed but none of the other airport pages with the long table wasn't collasped. Snoozlepet ( talk) 00:30, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
The article needs immediate development because of it's top importance: it is Europe's 2010-2011 fastest growing airline, experiencing troubles in very recent history. Non-English users participation is not critical since there's a lot of airline-related international info. Happy edits, Ukrained2012 ( talk) 12:09, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
I've removed the PROD tag from this article, and noted that fact on its talk page. I don't think it should be deleted, I think it has notability. If anyone can improve the article or has more resources to add to it, please let me know. Thanks, -- Funandtrvl ( talk) 19:25, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
It's me again guys, sorry but I'm inspired today! Can you please drop your thoughts at this talk page? I propose there the removal of an entire unencyclopedic section. Thanks.-- Jetstreamer Talk 23:28, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Greetings fellow members of the Airline WikiProject! The Featured Article candidacy for Boeing 757 is now open at: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Boeing 757/archive1. Any input is welcome. Hopefully there are some airline project members who might wish to comment on this article about a widely-used airliner. Regards, SynergyStar ( talk) 00:33, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi there. I've seen edits like this one many times. Is it true that any airline alliance's member automatically codeshares all flights with the rest of the members in the same alliance just because of its membership? I'll appreciate if someone can clarify this point. Thanks.-- Jetstreamer Talk 23:11, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Reverted edits that all non-Middle East destinations are being dropped from 13 July, the airlines schedules show the destinations being served well beyond that date, but still clarification is needed. 111.119.188.134 ( talk) 16:13, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
What is the criteria for an airlines cargo division to have a seprate article even if not independant/privatised, and what allows some articles to exist with minimal content i.e LAN Cargo, MASkargo while others cannot be made i.e Martinair Cargo when passenger division was still there yet cargo side served more destinations but still no article, yet others have been merged back into parent airline article i.e El Al Cargo with minimum content like LAN, MAS, Cathay Pacific Cargo with maximum content and a seprate destinations page too like Singapore Airlines Cargo. 111.119.188.134 ( talk) 16:45, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Not sure what to make of List of VIP airlines of Russia but I dont really see the need for it, any notable airlines should already be listed in List of airlines of Russia. MilborneOne ( talk) 18:26, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
I just stumbled across {{ Pan Am Clipper Connection}}. It has an interesting history. It was created in 2008 as a redirect to Boston-Maine Airways (yes, a redirect from Template to Article namespace). Then last month it was inexplicably repurposed into a template listing former "airline marketing brands" and those of us who have been here a while can probably guess the IP editor who did this. Some of what is in there now may be worthwhile as navboxes in their own right, but the current location is clearly wrong and the layout and wording is atrocious. -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 16:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
I turned the vandalised SpiceJet destinations back to wikipedia format for text style lists and issued notice to vandal in edit summary but he undid it plus added a racial slur in his summary, please take note, thanks. 111.119.187.211 ( talk) 19:13, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
With this development does the article get changed to TAM Cargo, or does it go past tense here is first ABSA 767F painted into TAM Cargo livery [2] inspector ( talk) 18:11, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Do take a look at the article's talk page. Perhaps someone can shed some light into the subject. Thanks.-- Jetstreamer Talk 21:05, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
While looking through some Wikipedia pages, I came accross this template for List of airlines of Poland:
Should this become the default design of all Template:List of airlines of 'Insert country here'??
Comments welcome. Airlinesguy ( talk) 07:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Looks like the template got changed as was suggested by MilborneOne and I. — Comp dude 123 02:59, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Two seprate lists for current and former destinations have been created by another editor in violation of approved single table format. 221.120.249.110 ( talk) 18:22, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Is there a reason why there are no tailfin designs as part of the airlines infobox? Could we add it, say, at the bottom of the infobox? Many designs are quite distinctive and different from their general airline logo. BigSteve ( talk) 06:54, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Random thought here. Could a photo of a tail fin closeup, such as File:Starr 080207-2256 Cynodon dactylon.jpg (the filename doesn't mean much to me, but its a Hawaiian 767), replace the use of airline logos in the info box? The logo images we have now are all being used under fair use claims, but tail photos could be obtained under free content licenses. -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 15:17, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to talk in 2 paragraph lengths about each cabin on airline pages such as at Delta Air Lines and United Airlines? If I were the reader personally I would get bored and leave. I can understand a sentence saying Economy Plus offers extra legroom and what ever else but paragraphs about each I think is ridiculous. Thanks for your responses! Kairportflier ( talk) 21:26, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Can someone keep an eye on Austrian Airlines Group destinations? A new editor has started adding various unsourced destinations that I've been unable to verify. The first time he put in "starting 2013", and after I removed them, he's now readding some as if they are currently served. I can't revert again without running afoul of 3RR. Thanks. -- Hawaiian717 ( talk) 23:45, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
I've nominated {{ Ecuador airlines destinations}} for deletion. Please discuss at the template's nomination page. Thanks.-- Jetstreamer Talk 19:54, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
For a while now, I've noticed that the Defunct Airlines WikiProject has been inactive, and nothing has been posted on its talk page for a while. There are very few participants compared to this project, and it seems unlikely that it ever got off the ground in the first place. What should be done about it? Should we merge it with this project, or should we encourage greater participation in the project? I kind of think that it should be merged with this project but I am not sure. What are your thoughts? — Comp dude 123 18:36, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
I've started a discussion regarding converting the Defunct airlines project into a task force. Visit this page for the discussion. — Comp dude 123 21:01, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Please visit the discussion to help get consensus. Thanks, Comp dude 123 19:42, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
I (sorry, lost password for old account) did both moves in the same article. User:Abhishek191288 was clearly not acting rational by approving on the talk page of the first move I did and not reverting it, but reverting my second move (including a wrong claim I would have started the thread) claiming it would have to be discussed here. Either both moves were correct or both moves were incorrect. Can someone neutral who is capable of thinking rational have a look and either revert my Tata Airlined move or revert his reverts? Thanks in advance. Lumialover2 ( talk) 22:18, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
AirTran's call signs are still in active use. Same for ticketing, FF accounting, much of anything you call operations. Or should I just say AirTran is simply operating on its parent company's certificate. And as previously discussed here and over at WP:AIRPORT, AirTran is not even really "merging" in different steps; it's simply winding down. It makes no sense to say it "ceased operation". Moreover, making AirTran past tense obligates us to add FL/TRS/CITRUS into Southwest Airlines' infobox. Do we really want that stupidity? HkCaGu ( talk) 08:31, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Should the Southwest Airlines article list the 717 in its fleet table? The reason I'm asking is that it was just removed and I'm hesitant to revert. — Comp dude 123 00:53, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Well it's not past tense anymore! Kairportflier ( talk) 16:24, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Ethiopian Airlines is being the target of anxious editors that are including a
Dreamliner as part of the fleet, when the airline is actually scheduled to take delivery of it in the next days. I'm over my
WP:3RR. I'd appreciate if someone can take a look at the article. Full protection has been requested. You're also invited to place your comments
here. Thanks.--
Jetstreamer
Talk
21:14, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Go to amadeus.net and see when they are launching Kuala lumpur service, its exactly on 31 October, just becuase a ref cannot be attached does not mean that every bit of valid information should be deleted and lock articles, if I was tech savy i would have saved the info image from amadeus uploaded it at a hosting site and attached it to the ET list, if you can do that then please do so.. 119.154.188.238 ( talk) 18:16, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Is Market share, profit/revenue by airline relevant to this article? — Abhishek Talk 10:05, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Can this feature be added to wiki airline and other articles so we know how many people have viewed between edits. 59.103.203.193 ( talk) 01:36, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
New destinations announced by airlines but with no date have been allowed to be posted as prose in the in airlines destinations lists, since they cannot be added in the list without a confirmed date, these destinations are announced both officially and unofficially as long is there is a valid reference attached confirming this, but Jetstreamer is deliberately removing such edits, whats the problem? I am posting it with in wiki rules and not flouting them. The date itself is confirmed at booking site amadeus.net as 31 October 2012. And I clearly stated in my edit the airlien "PLANS" to launch, not ARE launching, while the reference article clearly states from November. inspector ( talk) 21:22, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
SNOOZLEPET your comment is strange considering you said this:
and one from JETSTREAMER himself;
The last comment can only be suggesting approval for unfixed dates, Now what do you say? inspector ( talk) 22:48, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
We should be following the rule that is, we don't add destinations until there is an OFFICIAL press release with destination(s) AND dates or until the flights go for sale. Do not add if there are rumors or unofficial reports, etc... Also none of the begins September 30 pending gov approval etc... NO, if its not approved don't add it. Just my input. Kairportflier ( talk) 23:35, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Finally, there is a press release from Ethiopian Airlines announcing its flight to Kuala Lumpur. http://www.ethiopianairlines.com/en/news/pressreleases.aspx?hl= 336. I have updated Ethiopian Airlines destinations, Kuala Lumpur International Airport, Suvarnabhumi Airport, and Bole International Airport pages with the official press release from the airline. Snoozlepet ( talk) 06:32, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
User:Camilo Sanchez intends to include images for each airline in the list. I'd like to get some feedback regarding the proposal. I'm against it, because images are already included at each airline's article. Furthermore, I recently removed a column including information that was not that important and not considered encyclopedic, and I believe that plain images will again add no encyclopedic content to the article.-- Jetstreamer Talk 20:40, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello again guys! Can anyone of you please tell User talk:PatrickFlaherty that their last edits to Aeroflot are mentioning the same thing twice in the same sentence. I don't want this issue to become an edit war. Let me point out WP:& regarding the same thing.-- Jetstreamer Talk 21:00, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Let me draw your attention to this, where there has been a mass use of {{ start date and years ago}} in airline infoboxes, like in this edit. The user has already been warned, yet I doubt about getting any feedback from him/her. Any thougts on how to proceed? Thanks.-- Jetstreamer Talk 11:11, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi, does anyone think Singapore Airlines fleet has any encyclopedic value? It just seems a plane spotters list at the moment. Do we really need lists of Aircraft tail numbers? Thanks -- JetBlast ( talk) 00:29, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
I think jetstreamer has taken particular liking in picking up issues with me, he reverted my edit at Kuwait airways where I removed a supended destination and put in the terminated section, the reason for reverting my edit was no summary given, the destination removed clearly tagged ends 16 sep 2012 with ref attached, like wow as if any one will even bother to look up edit history to see why I edited and what was added or removed, besides no one does leave edit summaries in 99% of the editing done. Looks like a new low at settling scores. 119.154.98.14 ( talk) 22:48, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
Some editor is having an issue with the stub created on this new airline, whats wrong with it? many editors here have created similar stubs and I have followed their style exactly, it apperas he finds it not encylopedia worthy, buty its a stub what els eto add to it, this is all the info available now and liek I said similar stubs have been created in the past by editors of Project Airlines with minimum information just to get it started. inspector ( talk) 13:35, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
A few days ago I noticed this edit. I restored the destination and incidents section here. The editor was later blocked because of the user name. Today they sent an email saying the destination is not correct and is not shown on their site and I'll remove that. However, they also said that the incident has nothing to do with 8199400 and should also be removed. I'm not really willing to do that because as far as I can see the article is about Arctic Sunwest and not about either of the numbered companies. But I thought I would bring it here for a second (or more) opinion because I could be wrong. CambridgeBayWeather ( talk) 22:15, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Hello. Just wanted to draw your attention to the proposed deletion of the articles for failing notability.-- Jetstreamer Talk 10:21, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
The airline's operating license was suspended by India's government on 20 October 2012. However, the airline page is written in past tense as the airline as become defunct (but its website its still in operation with the booking engine, etc. still active). Is the airline considered officially defunct or operations just indefinitely suspended. Snoozlepet ( talk) 19:35, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussions on grammar and article tone at the above page. DrKiernan ( talk) 14:49, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
You are invited to join a discussion on the above page as to whether this improves the tone and grammar of the article. DrKiernan ( talk) 14:53, 27 October 2012 (UTC)