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Anybody interested in doing some cleanup on
Steven Spielberg? Article has a number of un-cited statements that appear to be opinion of the contributor. (Note, some of these are already tagged and some aren't).
(I will not be doing any substantial work on this article myself.)
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201.53.7.16 (
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22:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Does anybody know of any good sources for actor/director/etc photos that can be used in articles without copyright issues? Jay-W ( talk) 14:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Assistance on this article is needed. This is one of the most prominent screenwriters of his generation. IP edits turned it into an attack on his politics and screenplay to Mission to Moscow. Surely not his best work, but he is mainly notable for his work on Casablanca and for Orson Welles. There's virtually nothing on that, and the article on this very prominent screenwriter needs expansion by knowledgeable editors.
The same IP has been at work on Bosley Crowther (NY Times film critic), in one article referring to him as "Stalinist." I've rolled back the damage in Crowther but it would help if that article can be watched. Stetsonharry ( talk) 23:07, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
It is currently the case that AfD discussions for the biography articles of filmmakers and such are listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Film; I believe it would be prudent to relocate such discussions to Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Actors and actresses and rename that page to Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Actors and filmmakers. This would be of benefit to both WP:FILM, as such articles do not fall within this project's scope, and WP:BIOGRAPHY, who do not currently include such discussions on their Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Deletion sorting page.
Since I am posting this same comment at WT:FILM, WT:BIOGRAPHY and WT:FILMBIO, can any comments please be left at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting#Proposed refocus of Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Actors and actresses where I have already raised the issue, so it isn't being discussed in four different places. PC78 ( talk) 13:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm currently doing a massive expansion of the article for White Dog, the last American film directed by noted B-movie director Samuel Fuller. In my work on the article, I've found a ton of sources about Fuller himself. I'm not fond of doing Biography articles myself, I looked to see if there was an active editor who might have use for the sources and found none. I was wondering if anyone from the Biography project might want to take on expanding and cleaning up his article? If so, I'd be happy to forward all of the sources I've pulled from various paper archives to assist in the work. I have eight in PDF form, including several multi page spread, all WP:RS, and there are also quite a bit in the Criterion Collection site for the film. Can also provide any info on the DVD's many special features about its controversial history once I get it, and have access to quite a few additional paper sources that didn't mention the film. With the sourcing, I'd imagine an experienced editor here could get the Fuller article to GA level relatively quickly. Any takers? -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 23:22, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
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Hello, My name is Nadia, the daughter of Laszlo Kovacs. Lately there has been some edits to my father's page that are PURE fiction ( http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3_Kov%C3%A1cs_(cinematographer)&oldid=269631740) is the edit that I keep trying to take down, it is stated in the early life section. It's all lies and my family and myself are very upset. I keep watching he page and changing it whenever it gets changed incorrectly. How can I put a stop to this? Anyone that reads a film history book on my father can clearly see that this information is incorrect. Thank you! -Nadia Kovacs —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nadiakovacs ( talk • contribs) 02:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
See this discussion. -- JD554 ( talk) 20:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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Should we add a field to {{ Infobox Actor}} that links to an actor or director's filmography if it is separate from the main article? Maybe it could be placed to appear next to the "years active" line? Bradley0110 ( talk) 19:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
1. I would like to propose that some parameters be removed from the awards section of {{
Infobox Actor}}
. As time goes on, this section has become overburdened with excessive listings of minor, film festival and critics awards in the "Other awards" section, especially as filmography tables are beginning to carry these awards as well, and more information is added to the main body of the article. Examples might be noted on pages such as
Meryl Streep and
Heath Ledger. They make the infobox listing excessively long enough to sometimes interfere with the layout of the rest of the article when opened, as happens on
Al Pacino. I propose that the "Other awards" section be removed from the template completely to avoid these long lists from accumulating.
2. I also propose that the individual awards sections in the infobox be limited to the major film and stage awards for each country, for example, Academy Awards, Golden Globe Awards, Emmy Awards, BAFTA Awards, Australian Film Institute Awards, Ariel Awards, César Awards, Drama Desk Awards, Filmfare Awards, Gemini Awards, Golden Calf Awards, Goya Awards, Grammy Awards, Laurence Olivier Awards, Irish Film and Television Awards, National Film Awards and the Tony Awards. I would propose that the Independent Spirit Awards be added to the list. If there are any other primary acting awards, please make a note.
3. I would also propose that the Golden Raspberry Awards be removed from the list of major awards for several reasons, most notably because they aren't awards in the sense that the others are. The Golden Raspberry Awards are not an industry standard or prestige award. They aren't honors or accolades for outstanding work. They are at best a user-voted spoof award, or slur award, if you will and do not belong in the same lists as genuine honor awards. Membership and voting is open for anyone who wants to pay the $25 fee to join. For the same reason, People's Choice Awards should not, and currently are not, listed. Anyone can vote, multiple times and represents more of a popularity contest than an award.
4. It has been suggested that the awards section be completely removed from the infobox, which would make the previous three proposals moot. I think that is a viable option as well. The awards are mentioned all over actor articles already, including filmographies, article body and those increasingly excessive succession boxes. Perhaps they shouldn't be included in yet another place.
Please comment if you will, note support or objection for each of the three four proposals. Thanks!
Wildhartlivie (
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10:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Okay, at this point, we have across the board support to remove the awards from the infoboxes completely. I will give this two more days for any other comments or feedback then put in a request to act upon the final consensus. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 05:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) I'm not clear on what you're mostly concerned about - is it that you worked hard to add awards to the infobox? If so, please bear in mind that many editors, including the ones who supported the removal, have worked just as hard on these articles, including adding awards to infoboxes. Other options were offered and none were supported in favor of complete removal. The infobox had parameters for 20 named awards and the generic space for "other awards", which encompass somewhere between 20 and 30 other awards from critics groups, film festivals and similar entities. On some articles, that can run to some 40 or more awards and that borders on excessiveness - most of the ones added to the "other awards" section were difficult to determine without clicking through to see what they actually were, not to mention that they weren't very user friendly in terms of adding or expanding them.
Meanwhile, those awards haven't disappeared from mention in the articles - again, they are contained in filmographies, succession boxes, templates and in the main body of the article (or if they aren't, they should be). I have to repeat PC78's question, do you have a reasoned argument against the removal that addresses specifically why it should be retained? How do you suggest the right way to reach consensus is then? A notice was posted. It was posted here, it was posted at WT:FILM and it was posted on the infobox talk page. Outside of the ones who answered prior to April 1, no one bothered to check this page. Eleven days later, you're saying we did something incorrectly because no one came to your talk page and personally invited you? As I asked before, do you have the project page on your watchlist? How long do you think a proposal offered for consensus should be run? Since you were on Wikipedia every day since the proposal was posted, how long would it taken to be noticed if someone hadn't removed the awards parameters from some actor biography that you do watch? These are all fair questions since you're suggesting impropriety. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 18:17, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
What now? It seems to me that Wildhartlivie (who would probably prefer being referred to as "she") could not have done more in terms of notifying projects, especially considering that active members should take their own responsibility for monitoring and participating in discussions. I can't think of anything else she could have or should have done. This project page is like a ghost town most of the time, as is Template talk:Infobox Actor, where not one editor commented during the time this was under discussion. The discussion could have run for 2 weeks, 2 months or 2 years, but would that have ensured a wider response? What I see now is another small group of editors, again with the best intentions and valid opinions, commenting here because they've noticed that the field is gone from articles that they monitor. Naturally, the people who have noticed and disapproved of the change have now commented, and this is absolutely understandable, but what about the editors who must have noticed the change by now, but either approve of the change, don't disapprove enough to comment, or don't care about it one way or another? If the first group of editors, who supported the removal of the field, is small and unrepresentative, the second group who oppose the change, is equally so. Considering the number of articles that use the infobox, and considering how many of those articles are fairly high-traffic articles about popular contemporary actors, we are still seeing only a small number of interested editors actively involved in discussion. We should be seeing a stream of editors joining in each as more articles are reviewed, and that hasn't happened either. There's no avoiding the fact that any change process is flawed and is managed by a relatively tiny number of editors. With this in mind, how do we now move forward, and how can we deal with this in a manner that everyone will accept as fair? Rossrs ( talk) 09:39, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
With the removal of the awards fields there is nothing in terms of content to distinguish this infobox from {{ Infobox Person}}. I think we could all do to put our heads together and come up with some new fields to add to the infobox that are relevant to acting and filmmaking. Wildhartlivie suggested a "medium" field, i.e. to say whether a person works in film, television, theatre or whatever. Any other suggstions? PC78 ( talk) 09:45, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
"Predominant genre" is likely to cause some confusion as some actors may be associated with some major films from different genres and may have acted in various film series. For sintance how would you class Harrison Ford. Purely action films? What about drama, thrillers, sci-fi even? It goes much deeper than that, it is more important to relay good information in the article or in the inttroduction of the articles. The infoboxe sshould be for figures and facts, awards won being one of them. Your decision to remove the award section now renders the infobox actor pretty redundant and you shouldn't have to invent something to cover this up. As I say I am not majorly opposed to your decision because as I said the content of the actual article is what counts but the significant number of changes we've made over the last few months to various aspects of films and actors which appeared to me to be quite unnecessary does make me wonder how secure any part of this project is in regards to our older customs on here. More concerning is how little discussion actually goes into the goods of the articles, the actual text content. Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:41, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Infoboxes decorative?? If they were intended as decor I'm sure we could think of something far more attractive than that!! I doubt many would agree that this is what they are intended for. They are intended to provide basic details -facts and figures. Perhaps reeling off lists of awards in an infobox complicates things after all but providing it is summarised I don't see any harm. The problem though would be deciding what or what not should be included. Perhaps PC78 is right in that this is often too problematic and its better to just list them in the article. If you feel there is a consensus to remove these sections I expect you to do it professionally and remove all of the sections from existing articles and clean them up. Check out the SPielberg article for instance when you click edit. Its a mess. Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Guess Who??? Dr. Blofeld White cat 00:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm glad someone is trying to bring this back to a discussion of the key point - ie keeping or not keeping the field, but I disagree with your proposal. You say that because "the initial proposals above weren't specific enough".... [not] "all of the editors here felt they could add their names to a particular one". The initial proposals were clear enough for several people to comment, and the objection was that not enough people knew about the proposal. I don't think anyone has said they "felt they couldn't add their names" either during or after the initial discussion. Rather than say that some people didn't understand the proposal, I think it's more accurate to say some people didn't agree with the implementation of a decision that, for whatever reason, they were not part of. Second, "A vote for a higher choice would automatically be considered also a vote for the choices above it -- i.e. a vote for choice 5 could also be counted as a vote for 4,3 and 2". I'm not casting a vote here, but if I was, for example, voting for option 5, I would not accept that it be counted as a vote for 4, 3, or 2. If I vote for 5, I would want it counted as 5 only, because the other options are different. Option 5 = no field. Every other option = field. If I vote for 4, I don't want it counted as a vote for 3. And so on. Finally, rather than 'voting', it would be more constructive to discuss the situation. I know that 'voting' happens all over Wikipedia, but discussion is more useful. What if the people in support of removing the field commented briefly on the perceived advantages of removing/disadvantages of keeping? And the people in support of restoring the field could comment on the perceived advantages of using the field/disadvantages of not using? Part of that comment could address which of the options that person supports, if they feel it necessary to choose one, but I think we need a stronger understanding of what we each consider important and why. Much of the comment here has been about the process, and the points that specifically relate to the usefulness of the field are somewhat obscured as a result. Rossrs ( talk) 14:12, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Maybe people are really busy? Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:40, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
That would be better, but it seems Garion has begun clean up by removing the awards altogether... Dr. Blofeld White cat 01:36, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Yup I noticed you had started on that. How many exactly have you done? Dr. Blofeld White cat 01:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah I noticed some of them took up a large amount of kb. Dr. Blofeld White cat 01:53, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I understand the reasoning for removing the awards section due to lengthy lists on the page, but now directors' awards don't show up in the infobox either (unless there's an infobox template I'm not aware of that still shows awards). Since winning major awards, such as Academy, Golden Globe, etc. is a large part of a filmmaker's biography and standing in the film world, could we instill a "filmmaker infobox" with awards intact? -- Utilizer ( talk) 16:32, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey all, there's an interesting discussion underway at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ronald_Reagan#Kings_Row as to whether A) Kings Row is given sufficient weight in the main Reagan article and B) Whether the section on his films is properly composed in general. The former is the issue immediately at hand. Participation by editors with knowledge of that era in filmmaking would be most welcome. Stetsonharry ( talk) 15:24, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
If a director was born in Belgium but has become a naturalized American citizen, would you categorize him as a Belgian or an American film director? FYI, all his work has been in the States. Thanks! LiteraryMaven ( talk • contrib) 21:04, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Belgian born American film director is correct. Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I would categorize him as both and also as a Belgian American. Regards Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:58, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
This is to let people know that there is only a day or so left on a poll. The poll is an attempt to end years of argument about autoformatting which has also led to a dispute about date linking. Your votes are welcome at: Wikipedia:Date formatting and linking poll. Regards Lightmouse ( talk) 09:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
After a one-week voting with eight editors supporting the removal of the section, a decision was taken to remove the awards section from {{ infobox actor}}. A number of editors considered the removal and the way it was handled incorrect. Requesting your opinion on whether the awards section should be kept out or come back. Please do read the section where this was initially discussed. Shahid • Talk2me 15:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
May I use the light bulb to light my volcano chamber? Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
There is a discussion at MediaWiki talk:Common.css#Header color in wikitables about your filmography table design. Among other things we are discussing (and offering you) better technical solutions to building such tables.
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Sifting through some of the FA's and GA's for living actors, it seems to be a rather common practice to include stills or framegrabs from notable roles. See for instance File:Chopper-Bana.jpg, File:KaDee Strickland in Train Ride.jpg, File:Loveserenade-MirandaOtto.jpg, File:Piratessiliconvalley.jpg, or File:KHNHLS.jpg. In all of these, the actor's appearance is not very different from their "real-life" appearance. However, one of the non-free images that I uploaded, Image:Floberg Villmark.jpg, which has (in my opinion) a stronger fair-use rationale than all of these, was considered a violation of the non-free content criteria by at least two administrators working with images, in particular NFCC#1, the argument being that they are replaceable by a free equivalent that merely depicts the subject "out of character".
I am thus asking for your opinion on whether such use should be discouraged in actor BLP's. Thanks. decltype ( talk) 02:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
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Apologies for the notice, but this is being posted to every WikiProject to avoid accusations of systemic bias. Hiding T 13:19, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
This probably was discussed, so please bear with me on this, but I need to know. How should lists of awards and nominations received by an actor/actress look like? I only ask this, due to the fact that I have Heath Ledger's list up at FLC and User:Matthewedwards brought up a good point that WP:ACTOR and WP:FILM don't have their lists set-up like WP:MUSIC. If there's a certain format, please let me know. Again, if this was brought up, I'm sorry. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 15:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
So, if I understand correctly, there's consensus that colors should not be used? I agree that it looked awkward in Ledger's table, but for some reason I think they look good in the table format used in e.g Emma Watson#Awards, especially in Firefox. decltype ( talk) 22:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I've been working on articles and have recently looked at a great number of director articles, working from the Academy Award for Best Director list. I'm a little concerned about the bias shown in most of these articles regarding Academy Awards vs. any other. What I'm seeing in multiple articles is typically what is in Mike Nichols#Filmography. Someone, or multiple someones, have made an effort to create a table listing Academy Award wins and nominations and basically ignores the others, which to me seems to give undue weight to the Oscars. Some have listings of awards and nominations for other awards, but the focus is on Oscar. I thought perhaps this should be brought up here for discussion. I support the use of tables for filmographies, but this simply seems too selective. Thoughts? Wildhartlivie ( talk) 20:10, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) I'm not sure from what it is you're dissenting. Removing table columns that only outline Academy Awards, calling someone any type of award-winning or award-nominated, or not using the term Academy Award-winning/nominated in a lead sentence? Because each has its own rationale. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 23:08, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I've nominated Template:Sellers movies for deletion here, based on the previous deletion of the other actor-only templates in the past as being redundant and consensus against them. Please post any comments you might have regarding this. Thanks! Wildhartlivie ( talk) 23:53, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion regarding the possible deletion of a template listing selected film scores by a given conductor at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2009 May 9#Template:Rahul Dev Burman. Anyone interested is more than welcome to take part. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 15:42, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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There's a request here to move "Shirley Temple" to "Shirley Temple Black". Folks might like to weigh in with their opinions. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 18:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi folks. I've recently come across Stephen McCole while tagging for the Scotland Project. I've not prodded him, but he looks like he's on the very fringes of notability - could someone have a look? TIA FlagSteward ( talk) 13:07, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to get a 24-hour pass to The Stage archive this Friday, so if anybody wants any articles accessing for creating/expanding wiki articles, please list the author and title here and I'll email them to you ( in a personal and non-commercial way). Bradley0110 ( talk) 13:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Discussion going on here. Yworo ( talk) 17:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Do navbox templates for film directors (i.e. those categorised
here) fall under the scope of this project, and should they be tagged with the {{
WPBiography|filmbio-work-group=yes}}
project banner? I personally would say yes, as the templates are directly related to the filmmaker. Another editor contends that these should be exclusively tagged for
WP:FILM as the templates mainly contain film links, but I don't see why they shouldn't be tagged for both projects. Thoughts?
PC78 (
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11:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
What are people's opinion on those, to me excessive, succession boxes about awards. Previous winner, next winner etc. Previous Q (James Bond), next Q etc etc. Compare this with this. Which one is better? Garion96 (talk) 18:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I agree, I find that they really clutter the articles. Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:52, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) SOOOooo, folks. Should we go ahead and implement this decision? Wildhartlivie ( talk) 01:32, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Yes, that SNL "Media office" thing has always chafed my chaps. They were the anchors on the news segment of a comedy show. WHAT media office??? You know, they can always make "Sexy men" templates. I'm open to removing all of them that we can. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 01:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I disagree with the proposal for a widespread removal of succession boxes. Just because some people don't use them is not sufficient reason to prevent other people from having the option for using them. RJ4 ( talk) 01:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
As part of the GA Sweeps project I have reviewed this article and reluctantly concluded that it should be delisted until concerns over referencing and the lack of broad scope are addressed. Comments have been left at Talk:Ian McKellen/GA1 suggesting ways in which the article can be improved. Thanks. Jezhotwells ( talk) 22:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
There is a discussion on the Warren Beatty talk page regarding the insertion of a rank insignia in the Military service section. I removed it when it was added because the article itself already discusses that the insignia's design has changed over the years and I believe the insignia image is merely decorative. The poster returned it and when I removed it a second time, I added my rational for removing. He's returned it again and wants input from other editors regarding. Personally, I cannot see how seeing a picture of an insignia contributes anything to the understanding of the article about Beatty, especially since the design change was mentioned already. I'm not even sure that the routine reader would care so much about a design change. I'd appreciate anyone's input on this. I'm sure there is probably policy addressing the use of decorative images, but I'm not sure where to find it. Thanks. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 01:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to ask whether somebody with a copy of the following book:
could use it as a reference to fill out the child actress Betsy King Ross's article? I believe the following to be true, but I can't access a suitable source to confirm this:
Thank you!— RJH ( talk) 18:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion on whether or not to merge Samuel L. Jackson filmography back into the main article on the actor. Since the actor fall under the project, I thought I'd mention this here. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 22:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Previous discussion on the proposal to move James Stewart (actor) to Jimmy Stewart was not to make that move. Further discussion to make James Stewart the American actor (with no disamiguation in the article title) the primary use of James Stewart continues. This proposal would make a James Stewart (disambiguation) page the home to the listing of all uses of the name. Please post your opinion regarding this proposal at Talk:James Stewart. Thanks. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 20:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
In trying to expand the Hunt Stromberg article I can find only four reliable - and sometimes conflicting - sources: IMDB, Allmovie, filmreference.com and cobbles.com. In addition there is almost no biographical information on the web; he is supposed to have founded Santa Anita and Hollywood racetracks, to have been a major investor in both, and to have been married to a Katherine Kerwin who died in 1951 - the year he retired from the movie business. He also had one known son, Hunt Stromberg Jr., who became a producer/director in his own right. Any ideas would be highly appreciated! Thank you, Shir-El too 00:19, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I started a discussion at WT:FILM about the benefit of Allmovie as an external link, though this was more for film articles. I noticed that Allmovie is included as an external link in actor articles (though I am not sure how widespread its inclusion is). I wanted to mention the discussion (which currently applies to film articles only) to see if there are any arguments for or against Allmovie's inclusion in a general capacity. Thoughts are appreciated at the discussion. — Erik ( talk • contrib) 06:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Scarlett Johansson has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 20:48, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Here's a discussion about subject development you might find interesting.
The Transhumanist 22:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm new to editing within this project. If a film maker has multiple films in the Criterion Collection would it be reasonable to list them as such in a lede for a director's article? --or-- rather would that usually be more pertinent in the body, or merely in the individual film's article? - Steve3849 talk 02:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I have done a GA Reassessment of Ilaiyaraaja as part of the GA Sweeps project. I have found the article to not meet the current GA Criteria. My assessment can be found here. I am notifying all interested projects and editors that I have placed the article on hold pending work to return it to GA standards. If you have any questions or concerns please contact me on my talk page. H1nkles ( talk) 16:57, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm not a member of this Wikiproject but those that are may want to consider a huge batch of edits being made by user 75.5.239.210. A large number of those edits relate to the following section in the Ongoing Project / To Do lists.
Remove lead sentence mention of "______ Award-winning" and/or "______ Award-nominated". This can and should be included in lead sections, but not in lead sentences. Please change leads to include mention of major awards, but do so in context.
My reading of this is that information about Awards / Nominations should be included in the lead, but not in the lead sentence. If it is currently in the lead sentence, it should be changed but mention of the major awards etc. should be kept.
User 75.5.239.210 has relentlessly been editing out ALL mention of awards etc. from the leads. David T Tokyo ( talk) 07:16, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
If this is an old question, please excuse me.... but I recently came across an article about a an individual who is a playwright/actor/author/screenwriter/producer/journalist/novelist that was in sad need of cleanup and sourcing [1], so I did so... removing the "citation needed" tags and "unreferenced" tags as I added the requested citations as I cleaned the darn thing. [2] However the editor who had done all the tagging, came back and replaced a "unreferenced" tag on the filmography section [3] with a caution that I not remove his tag unless I source the section. So I added some [4] and simply tagged the section for "more sources". In my noticing that actor articles do not have their filmography sections specifcally sourced, I am wondering is this something that we need do now for all actor articles? If so, there are a few thousand actor articles that now need to be so tagged. If such is not required, might I have a link to the guideline or decision that states it, so I might forward that on to the tagging editor? Thank you, MichaelQSchmidt ( talk) 02:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
I became aware of a traffic count stat tool on toolserver [5] that gives a nice count of page views. I've put in a request to get such stats for this project, at least as a test, in order to see what articles we have that get the highest views. I'm thinking this might give us a better way to gauge what articles might need attention. Thanks. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 08:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I just started a new page on the director Joseph Kosinski, but I wanted to let whomever know, who might be able to clean it up, add something, or whatnot. Thanks. Rhetth ( talk) 21:19, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
IP editor, 69.209.113.108, is making numerous edits [6] Many edits remove a fact from the text because it is in the infobox or a list. They may all be fine but it would be nice if someone familiar with WP:Actor would review these edits. -- SWTPC6800 ( talk) 17:31, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I just (perhaps incautiously) deleted the filmography for Stig Eldred, but I thought I should bring the question here. If an actor is, by real world non-wikipedia standards, not really notable, and his article is and probably will remain a stub, does it make sense to have a very detailed filmography? Can't you just click through to IMDB and get the same info? For more prominent actors of course we want their articles to be one-stop shopping, but why should Stig get a one sentence article and then a 40 line filmography? Any thoughts on this? - Surfer83 ( talk) 23:34, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
There is a factual error on the page for Billy and Bobby Mauch
Actual year of birth is 1924, not 1921.
65.39.92.228 ( talk) 11:10, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I suggest that this sentence .... : "Remove lead sentence mention of "______ Award-winning" and/or "______ Award-nominated". This can and should be included in lead sections, but not in lead sentences. Please change leads to include mention of major awards, but do so in context."
.... could be expanded to include polls, surveys, box-office drawing power, salaries and general acclaim. Basically anything beyond the basic definition described at WP:LEAD. I'm thinking about the "one of the greatest actors ever" tag that keeps appearing on the end of the lead sentences of people like Robert De Niro and Al Pacino, and this kind of statement is even more vague than "Academy Award winning" which can at least be nailed down to a straight-forward fact. Obviously De Niro and Pacino are among the most acclaimed actors of all time, but the claim is made without context and usually sourced to a poll that doesn't necessarily demonstrate how widely the viewpoint is held. I think it should stay in the lead, where applicable, but as part of the overall summary. The lead sections for De Niro and Pacino need to be expanded before this could be achieved. Any thoughts on the wording? Rossrs ( talk) 13:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
What about: "Exclude from the lead sentence phrases that bolster a person's status beyond basic descriptions covering career that support notability. Examples include phrases that inflate standing such as being an award winner, award nominee, one of the greatest actors/filmmakers ever, or other such highlights. Such phrases can be used later in the lead section in better context, such as summarizing the kinds of awards won or the kind of polls that rank a person's greatness in the film industry. Lead sentences should only include name, birth/death dates, occupation and nationality. Example: William Bradley "Brad" Pitt (born December 18, 1963) is an American actor and film producer." Wildhartlivie ( talk) 20:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
The list of most popular pages for the last month has been posted here. If you have time, please take a minute to visit some of those pages and make any changes/improvements that you might note are required. This is a great tool for the project to address highly visible pages. Thanks! Wildhartlivie ( talk) 21:31, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I have opened a discussion at Talk:Spencer Tracy#Filmography regarding the removal of the filmography from the main article and discussion regarding no need for spinning the filmography into a separate article. Please comment there. Thank you. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 21:27, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
This article has issues, and a GA reassessment is under way. Stetsonharry ( talk) 15:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
There is a current discussion at Talk:Greta Garbo#Was Garbo beautiful? regarding wording in ALT text that could use some other comments. Thanks! Wildhartlivie ( talk) 07:37, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Hope I'm putting this in the right place, and I apologize if I haven't.
The dates in the Thomas Ince article don't add up, particularly regarding his death. The article states that the Oneida set sail on Saturday the 15th, and that Ince died on Tuesday the 19th. But if the 15th was a Saturday, Tuesday would have been the 18th. Unless he actually died very late Tuesday night, after midnight? If so, that needs clarification. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LorelieLong ( talk • contribs) 12:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 September 21#Category:Actors to portray superheroes regarding this category as well as discussion regarding further categorization. Please take a look and add any comments you might have. Thanks. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 23:42, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
{{
WPBiography}} is coded so that an article can be tagged for the
arts and entertainment work group or
WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers, but not both at the same time. The reason for this appears to be the overlapping scope of the two: WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers is regarded as a child project of the arts and entertainment work group. So for example, an actor biography tagged with {{
WPBiography|a&e=yes|filmbio=yes}}
will only actually be tagged for WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers, because inclusion in the more generic work group is redundant. (With me so far?)
This is less straightforward for some articles though. Mikhail Baryshnikov is known primarily as a ballet dancer, but has also done some acting, and there is an unusual (and absurd) situation on his talk page where there are two instances of {{ WPBiography}}, one tagging the article for the arts and entertainment work group with a Top-priority rating, the other tagging it for WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers with a Mid-priority rating. There should only be one transclusion of the {{ WPBiography}} banner on that page, so (and irrespective of the priority rating) should it be:
Note: I've also posted this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography, so please reply there to keep discussion in one place. Thanks! PC78 ( talk) 17:11, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
I've proposed a merger of Eugene Khumbanyiwa into the movie District 9 and one of the editors suggested soliciting viewpoints here. So, I am! Merger discussion can be found here: Talk:District_9#Merger_proposal. Thanks for any input. JohnInDC ( talk) 17:52, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated the article List of overweight actors in United States cinema for deletion. Discussion may be found here. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 02:02, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Am I wrong to think a filmography with 201 titles, most of them redlinked, is excessive? LargoLarry ( talk) 18:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Three actor filmography templates have been listed for deletion. Please read and comment here, here, and here. A director template containing two films has been listed for deletion here. Thank you. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 02:12, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
In a forthcoming update to {{
WPBiography}}, a |needs-discography=
parameter is to be added for the benefit of
WP:MUSICIAN. Would a |needs-filmography=
parameter be of benefit to this project or not?
PC78 (
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22:30, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
At the templates for deletion discussions noted above, it was noted that perhaps it would be beneficial to include a guideline here reflecting the wide consensus that actor filmography templates are not helpful additions. After being asked, I compiled links to the wide number of previous deletion discussions to delete these templates and I am posting them here for convenience and consultation.
What we have is from about a 3 year period, covering 18 separate template deletion decisions for 86 separate templates, all of which were deleted. I'd like to move forward with incorporating this consensus on our main page under guidelines. I think the overriding opinions include that they are redundant to the filmography and that if such templates were used routinely, we'd have a tremendous overabundance of such templates on film pages, which do not help anyone. Take for example the following films and the number of templates for prominent stars only.
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Basically, I propose that WP:ACTOR develop a guideline stating that filmographies for actors should not be summarized into templates due to the problems of over-proliferation of templates and crowding. Or something to that effect. We can also note that there is no consensus against using templates for directors' work. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 00:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Lord of the Rings is only one of four examples used. Star Wars was not used, although it certainly could be. Three other films are given, which are basically reflective of major films these days and they reflect nothing different regarding overuse of actor filmography templates. Complete actor filmographies simply are not relevant to any individual film. It isn't just a Jim Carrey template, it is any of them that end up overwhelming a film article with information unrelated to the specific film. We aren't looking for the solution to how such templates would be contained, we are discussing why such templates are inappropriate for some given film article. I'd have to observe, though, that if some given film article doesn't have enough content, then that is what an editor should concentrate on, and not on how to bring in the complete body of work that one actor in a film has done. It's extraneous and not relevant to the specific article or topic. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 04:23, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
I do not agree the case however you put it.
First of all it is nice, you gathered to add and improve content here. Though
WP:ACTOR is no god, no admin, no policy maker, and strictly obliged to subject general WikiGuidelines as a Project like rest of us. So as a project, it cannot create or perform a ban against actor templates in practice wikiwide, as it has no right to do so.
Also as a Project, you have no right to dictate non-members what they cannot create in the most basic level, where wikiguidelines takes over "consensus" dictation. You need to establish a solid WikiGuideline [which you can't], such as no actor template allowed in wikipedia, just because we build a consensus in a Project "about a 3 year period" and accomplished "18 separate template deletion decisions for 86 separate templates", therefore wasting all other [maybe more than 86] wiki editor's time and effort, ignoring each template creator's accumulative consensus, which resulted like a snowball after we got a consensus for first cases, though it is just a Project consensus and we have no wiki-wide ban against actor templates at hand. That seriously fails in logic.
What we all try to do is improving content for ourselves and other readers
*Actor templates are compact, results easy navigation and informative. It only costs 1 line in article, though it leads even 50 separate films of the leading actors of the film. You don't have to click actor's name then go to filmography section then click another movie then hit back button in browser and than click another link than hit back button again ...
You can't dictate your project-wide decision to wikipedia users internationally, then brag about getting 86 templates deleted, again which only stands by your own-project-wide-consensus which has nothing to do with other 86 template creator's [you should also tell it is dozens of non-members consensus to create such templates] will or time-effort they put into their templates.
I will try taking this debate a higher process, where it should result in undeletion of all other leading actor's template. Your project-wide consensus is none of my concern when it comes to deletion of other user's efforts, and I can assume all other 86 template creator's consensus in creating such templates as a ground for having such templates.
As a Project, weighting in template deletion discussions, singling out template creator's in every case does not establish any strict rule as we can't have any actor templates because you say so.
I will also bring the case in WikiProject Inclusion board. [edit conflict]
Kasaalan (
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14:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) For the sake of transparency, it should be noted that I have been in a long running dispute with the above editor on another, completely unrelated article, and the Jim Carrey template, which has been nominated for deletion, was made by the above editor. As is typical with using the software to nominate pages for deletion, I nominated the Carrey template for deletion without knowing who had created it until the software had finished posting the nomination and notification to the creator. It is not a personal issue, here, Kasaalan, so please do not "remind" me of anything here.
Having said that, outside of this project, WP:FILM doesn't support including individual templates on film articles and in consideration of that, there is no purpose for actor filmography templates beyond the actor article, which makes it redundant to the filmography table. WikiProjects create style guidelines all of the time, which is the basic backbone of article styles and it is absolutely acceptable that they do so. You've made your points, there is no benefit to continuing to post the "last word". However, I can't currently see that your opinion outweighs all of the other opinions simply because you snow the discussion with long posts that are bolded or underlined. Thanks for your opinion. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 04:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Could someone with more expertise than I asses the appropriateness of these Blair Witch navboxes (designed to look like templates), such as [7], on actor pages. See Special:Contributions/Sottolacqua @ 16:54, 14 October 2009 for others. The JPS talk to me 17:16, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Please note that priority assessments for this project are now added by using the |filmbio-priority=
parameter in the {{
WPBiography}} project banner. In addition, and for this project only, it can be requested that a filmography be added to an article by adding |needs-filmography=
to the banner. For example, {{WPBiography|filmbio-work-group=yes|needs-filmography}}
will display:
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and add articles to Category:Actors and filmmakers work group articles needing filmographies. Please refer to Template:WikiProject Biography/doc for full instructions on how to use the banner, or feel free to ask any questions on the banner's talk page. PC78 ( talk) 02:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Anne Hathaway (actress) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 07:34, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
[8] = removed bit of text relating to not including Golden Raspberry Awards. Actually oftentimes this is quite noteworthy. Also, previous discussion came to a consensus this was not to be included in Template:Infobox actor, but did not pertain to inclusion elsewhere in the article. Cirt ( talk) 08:14, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I had already begun to nominate the templates for deletion and will continue on that path as soon as the deletion discussion page bug is worked out so that I can use the script to add them. If you don't think there has been general consensus for using these templates, I would be completely happy to open a discussion regarding them. Doesn't it seem odd that these would sit unused if they were accepted by the community as valid? This is no way says that specific mentions of Raspberry Awards in some context isn't valid, and there are mentions of them in some articles. One would be whoever (I want to say it was Halle Berry) who showed up to accept the award. I believe it was the only time it ever occurred. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 09:10, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
<=Here is the archived discussion about the Razzie awards relative to their inclusion in the actor infobox: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Actors_and_Filmmakers/Archive_3#Infobox_actor_changes_proposal. There is no other archived talk about Razzies or the Golden Raspberry Awards. I think it premature to conclude from a wide sample of editors' past actions that there was a consensus not to use the Razzie template. The question itself should be posed so that a formal consensus can be established. Binksternet ( talk) 15:50, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
It is my understanding that the film or television project itself is acceptable as sourcing an actor's appearance in that project. Has this changed, or are we somehow supposed to post copies of the films for readers to themselves watch... as it seems to me that THAT would cause all sorts of probems with copyright infringement. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 03:44, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2009_November_8#Template:Golden_Raspberry_Award_for_Worst_Actress. Thanks, Cirt ( talk) 21:24, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Should actor's credits of being in Broadway plays be listed under their filmography? Thanks. -- Mike Allen talk · contribs 18:44, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Another user has repeatedly replaced the filmography table in this article with an inferior list, even after I have pointed out the filmbio guideline, on the basis that "such short film section doesn't require a table". I've just been editing the article and have restored the table, but it would be helpful if someone else could keep an eye on it or weigh in with an opinion at the talk page. PC78 ( talk) 02:21, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 November 22#Category:Parks and Recreation actors Bradley0110 ( talk) 20:39, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
After scanning through a lot of TV navboxes over the last couple of days, I've found a large number of them include links to actors. These navboxes are then placed at the bottom of the actor articles (sometimes several of them depending how prolific the actor is in primetime television) resulting in very messy looking articles that define an actor solely on which show or film they've been in. Many of these navboxes are created by fans of TV shows because they've seen others do it. Concerned about how few articles that are directly related to their show, these editors seek to legitimise the creation of the template by padding it out with people related to the show, sometimes tangentally (those editors who have been to TFD over the last couple of days will have seen some examples).
Since the deletion of "[Television series] actors" categories, these templates have been on the rise. They serve exactly the same purpose: to categorise a performer by their work. As was discussed at those CFDs, actors, writers, directors and producers can work on many TV shows and films in their careers, and having a category or template for each show will just clutter pages (as an example, I cleaned up the Scrubs template ({{ Scrubs}}) yesterday to remove this people padding [13]).
I think we need to work with the Film and TV Wikiprojects to nip this getaround in the bud once and for all, and create a proper reason for why people should be linked from these navboxes (using the Scrubs example again, the only person I have left linked in that navbox is Bill Lawrence, the creator of the show). Bradley0110 ( talk) 11:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
...are now available for this project!
Hopefully people will find these of use. Regards. PC78 ( talk) 07:44, 5 September 2009 (UTC) (Please keep for the time being. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 00:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC))
After a recent request, I added WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers/Popular pages.
The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr. Z-man 00:12, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone else happen to find the sudden flux of additions to articles of a navbox for MTV Movie Awards at all annoying?
[14] Don't we have enough meritorious awards to contend with to have to check/render opinion on awards that are open to multiple voting and excessive fan bias? This might just be my own personal rant, but we don't particularly need a navbox for every single award, regardless of its stature or commonality. I've been fine with these boxes for major awards, but I'm concerned, perturbed, and yes, annoyed, at the proliferation of them. Even tucked away in a nice {{
Template group}}
covering, this is becoming the new generation of
undue weight given to a passing editor's award of choice.
Wildhartlivie (
talk)
19:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Looking at the consensus above not to have navboxes padded, I'm curious of your thoughts on
Thanks
- J Greb ( talk) 22:39, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Junko Sakurada. Thank you for your time, Cirt ( talk) 12:20, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
An issue has arisen at Russell Crowe regarding addition of a large section of content on Firepower International which another editor and myself have gone on record as stating it is given undue weight, leans toward convicting Russell of complicity in a con activity and is inappropriately lengthy with no evidence against him save an appearance on The Tonight Show with a jersey. More opinions are needed on this possible WP:BLP violation. Thanks. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 13:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Nicole Kidman#Kidman's humanitarian status for a disagreement over referring to Kidman as a humanitarian. Eyes and comments are needed. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 05:43, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
They are:
Thanks
- J Greb ( talk) 23:11, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Since I have run into some friction on this issue, I came here for some clarification. I believe the consensus is for navigation boxes to not contain cast and crew members in Television and Film navigation boxes. Do I understand that correctly? BOVINEBOY 2008 :) 17:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
There is a relevant TfD going on here. BOVINEBOY 2008 :) 11:35, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Sorry if I'm missing the point, but personally I think that the navboxes should include at least principal cast and crew - I would not call this unnecessary information - It is quite a useful tool. However, I do agree that a multitude of navboxes should not be on each individual actor's page. Has a consensus been reached? Is there a central discussion? Rob Sinden ( talk) 13:01, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
The characters are linked in the navboxes, so if a reader wants to know who played that character it would take all but a second to click and find out (and read more). 9 times out of 10 the characters are only on that show (unless they do rare crossovers). Also the director and writers not only directs or writes the show at hand, but most likely OTHER shows; so why add them to that particular show, and then add them to the another show, and then another, etc? Speaking of Tina Fey, uh why does she have her own navbox? Seriously? -- Mike Allen talk · contribs 23:22, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
(ec)
2-ish¢... (covers a couple of things here)
- J Greb ( talk) 23:58, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Having seen a bunch of these come through the Templates for Discussion (formerly "Templates for Deletion") process, my take is this: The big problem with cast and crew in film/tv navboxes is the potential for clutter on articles. This has been discussed multiple times in multiple places. If you put actor/crew templates at the bottom of movie/show articles, then articles about many productions would be loaded with cast/crew templates. Examples where there are double-digit numbers of notable cast/crew can be provided easily. On the flip side, if navboxes for movies/shows are placed on cast/crew articles, then articles on prolific artists would be drowned in navboxes. Look at the filmography for Betty White, just for one example. So it is clear that any such placement can only be one-way. If there is a movie/show template that includes actors, it should not be placed on the articles for those actors.
Personally, I have no problem if the actors are listed in the navbox, with the understanding that they "don't count" in terms of the box's use for two-way navigation. There are quite a few other cases where links are included in a navigation box for articles that don't include that template, so there is precedent for it. However, in many cases the result is that a navbox that might look robust doesn't actually have enough "two-way" links to be useful. For example, if the navbox for a tv show contains links to the main article, an episodes list article and a bunch of cast articles, then there might be a dozen links in the box, but only two of them provide two-way navigation. So when that template comes to TFD, I'm going to !vote to delete it on the grounds that it only usefully links two articles. -- RL0919 ( talk) 23:59, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Actors are defined by the roles they play in the sense that those roles are what they are notable for, and without them, an article on Wikipedia would not be merited. Additionally, not every series has character pages, so sometimes it is more work than "just one extra click." Besides, having links to character pages doesn't take away from the actor's major contribution to the series. -- Zoeydahling ( talk) 00:05, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated Karen Dotrice for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. YellowMonkey ( bananabucket) ( Invincibles finally at Featured topic candidates) 15:37, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
There is a current request for comments at Talk:Jennifer Garner#Fashion/Style Section regarding content in the article. Comments are sought and welcome. Thank you. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 19:04, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm new to the project, and just thought I would introduce myself. Sean ( talk || contribs) 14:35, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Letting everyone know that a good article under the scope of this project, Stephen Colbert, is underoing an individual good article reassessment. You can see my concerns at Talk:Stephen Colbert/GA1. Thanks, Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs( talk) 15:03, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
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Anybody interested in doing some cleanup on
Steven Spielberg? Article has a number of un-cited statements that appear to be opinion of the contributor. (Note, some of these are already tagged and some aren't).
(I will not be doing any substantial work on this article myself.)
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201.53.7.16 (
talk)
22:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Does anybody know of any good sources for actor/director/etc photos that can be used in articles without copyright issues? Jay-W ( talk) 14:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Assistance on this article is needed. This is one of the most prominent screenwriters of his generation. IP edits turned it into an attack on his politics and screenplay to Mission to Moscow. Surely not his best work, but he is mainly notable for his work on Casablanca and for Orson Welles. There's virtually nothing on that, and the article on this very prominent screenwriter needs expansion by knowledgeable editors.
The same IP has been at work on Bosley Crowther (NY Times film critic), in one article referring to him as "Stalinist." I've rolled back the damage in Crowther but it would help if that article can be watched. Stetsonharry ( talk) 23:07, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
It is currently the case that AfD discussions for the biography articles of filmmakers and such are listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Film; I believe it would be prudent to relocate such discussions to Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Actors and actresses and rename that page to Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Actors and filmmakers. This would be of benefit to both WP:FILM, as such articles do not fall within this project's scope, and WP:BIOGRAPHY, who do not currently include such discussions on their Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Deletion sorting page.
Since I am posting this same comment at WT:FILM, WT:BIOGRAPHY and WT:FILMBIO, can any comments please be left at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting#Proposed refocus of Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Actors and actresses where I have already raised the issue, so it isn't being discussed in four different places. PC78 ( talk) 13:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm currently doing a massive expansion of the article for White Dog, the last American film directed by noted B-movie director Samuel Fuller. In my work on the article, I've found a ton of sources about Fuller himself. I'm not fond of doing Biography articles myself, I looked to see if there was an active editor who might have use for the sources and found none. I was wondering if anyone from the Biography project might want to take on expanding and cleaning up his article? If so, I'd be happy to forward all of the sources I've pulled from various paper archives to assist in the work. I have eight in PDF form, including several multi page spread, all WP:RS, and there are also quite a bit in the Criterion Collection site for the film. Can also provide any info on the DVD's many special features about its controversial history once I get it, and have access to quite a few additional paper sources that didn't mention the film. With the sourcing, I'd imagine an experienced editor here could get the Fuller article to GA level relatively quickly. Any takers? -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 23:22, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Christian Bale has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Articles are typically reviewed for one week. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. Cirt ( talk) 08:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Hello, My name is Nadia, the daughter of Laszlo Kovacs. Lately there has been some edits to my father's page that are PURE fiction ( http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3_Kov%C3%A1cs_(cinematographer)&oldid=269631740) is the edit that I keep trying to take down, it is stated in the early life section. It's all lies and my family and myself are very upset. I keep watching he page and changing it whenever it gets changed incorrectly. How can I put a stop to this? Anyone that reads a film history book on my father can clearly see that this information is incorrect. Thank you! -Nadia Kovacs —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nadiakovacs ( talk • contribs) 02:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
See this discussion. -- JD554 ( talk) 20:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
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Should we add a field to {{ Infobox Actor}} that links to an actor or director's filmography if it is separate from the main article? Maybe it could be placed to appear next to the "years active" line? Bradley0110 ( talk) 19:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
1. I would like to propose that some parameters be removed from the awards section of {{
Infobox Actor}}
. As time goes on, this section has become overburdened with excessive listings of minor, film festival and critics awards in the "Other awards" section, especially as filmography tables are beginning to carry these awards as well, and more information is added to the main body of the article. Examples might be noted on pages such as
Meryl Streep and
Heath Ledger. They make the infobox listing excessively long enough to sometimes interfere with the layout of the rest of the article when opened, as happens on
Al Pacino. I propose that the "Other awards" section be removed from the template completely to avoid these long lists from accumulating.
2. I also propose that the individual awards sections in the infobox be limited to the major film and stage awards for each country, for example, Academy Awards, Golden Globe Awards, Emmy Awards, BAFTA Awards, Australian Film Institute Awards, Ariel Awards, César Awards, Drama Desk Awards, Filmfare Awards, Gemini Awards, Golden Calf Awards, Goya Awards, Grammy Awards, Laurence Olivier Awards, Irish Film and Television Awards, National Film Awards and the Tony Awards. I would propose that the Independent Spirit Awards be added to the list. If there are any other primary acting awards, please make a note.
3. I would also propose that the Golden Raspberry Awards be removed from the list of major awards for several reasons, most notably because they aren't awards in the sense that the others are. The Golden Raspberry Awards are not an industry standard or prestige award. They aren't honors or accolades for outstanding work. They are at best a user-voted spoof award, or slur award, if you will and do not belong in the same lists as genuine honor awards. Membership and voting is open for anyone who wants to pay the $25 fee to join. For the same reason, People's Choice Awards should not, and currently are not, listed. Anyone can vote, multiple times and represents more of a popularity contest than an award.
4. It has been suggested that the awards section be completely removed from the infobox, which would make the previous three proposals moot. I think that is a viable option as well. The awards are mentioned all over actor articles already, including filmographies, article body and those increasingly excessive succession boxes. Perhaps they shouldn't be included in yet another place.
Please comment if you will, note support or objection for each of the three four proposals. Thanks!
Wildhartlivie (
talk)
10:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Okay, at this point, we have across the board support to remove the awards from the infoboxes completely. I will give this two more days for any other comments or feedback then put in a request to act upon the final consensus. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 05:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) I'm not clear on what you're mostly concerned about - is it that you worked hard to add awards to the infobox? If so, please bear in mind that many editors, including the ones who supported the removal, have worked just as hard on these articles, including adding awards to infoboxes. Other options were offered and none were supported in favor of complete removal. The infobox had parameters for 20 named awards and the generic space for "other awards", which encompass somewhere between 20 and 30 other awards from critics groups, film festivals and similar entities. On some articles, that can run to some 40 or more awards and that borders on excessiveness - most of the ones added to the "other awards" section were difficult to determine without clicking through to see what they actually were, not to mention that they weren't very user friendly in terms of adding or expanding them.
Meanwhile, those awards haven't disappeared from mention in the articles - again, they are contained in filmographies, succession boxes, templates and in the main body of the article (or if they aren't, they should be). I have to repeat PC78's question, do you have a reasoned argument against the removal that addresses specifically why it should be retained? How do you suggest the right way to reach consensus is then? A notice was posted. It was posted here, it was posted at WT:FILM and it was posted on the infobox talk page. Outside of the ones who answered prior to April 1, no one bothered to check this page. Eleven days later, you're saying we did something incorrectly because no one came to your talk page and personally invited you? As I asked before, do you have the project page on your watchlist? How long do you think a proposal offered for consensus should be run? Since you were on Wikipedia every day since the proposal was posted, how long would it taken to be noticed if someone hadn't removed the awards parameters from some actor biography that you do watch? These are all fair questions since you're suggesting impropriety. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 18:17, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
What now? It seems to me that Wildhartlivie (who would probably prefer being referred to as "she") could not have done more in terms of notifying projects, especially considering that active members should take their own responsibility for monitoring and participating in discussions. I can't think of anything else she could have or should have done. This project page is like a ghost town most of the time, as is Template talk:Infobox Actor, where not one editor commented during the time this was under discussion. The discussion could have run for 2 weeks, 2 months or 2 years, but would that have ensured a wider response? What I see now is another small group of editors, again with the best intentions and valid opinions, commenting here because they've noticed that the field is gone from articles that they monitor. Naturally, the people who have noticed and disapproved of the change have now commented, and this is absolutely understandable, but what about the editors who must have noticed the change by now, but either approve of the change, don't disapprove enough to comment, or don't care about it one way or another? If the first group of editors, who supported the removal of the field, is small and unrepresentative, the second group who oppose the change, is equally so. Considering the number of articles that use the infobox, and considering how many of those articles are fairly high-traffic articles about popular contemporary actors, we are still seeing only a small number of interested editors actively involved in discussion. We should be seeing a stream of editors joining in each as more articles are reviewed, and that hasn't happened either. There's no avoiding the fact that any change process is flawed and is managed by a relatively tiny number of editors. With this in mind, how do we now move forward, and how can we deal with this in a manner that everyone will accept as fair? Rossrs ( talk) 09:39, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
With the removal of the awards fields there is nothing in terms of content to distinguish this infobox from {{ Infobox Person}}. I think we could all do to put our heads together and come up with some new fields to add to the infobox that are relevant to acting and filmmaking. Wildhartlivie suggested a "medium" field, i.e. to say whether a person works in film, television, theatre or whatever. Any other suggstions? PC78 ( talk) 09:45, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
"Predominant genre" is likely to cause some confusion as some actors may be associated with some major films from different genres and may have acted in various film series. For sintance how would you class Harrison Ford. Purely action films? What about drama, thrillers, sci-fi even? It goes much deeper than that, it is more important to relay good information in the article or in the inttroduction of the articles. The infoboxe sshould be for figures and facts, awards won being one of them. Your decision to remove the award section now renders the infobox actor pretty redundant and you shouldn't have to invent something to cover this up. As I say I am not majorly opposed to your decision because as I said the content of the actual article is what counts but the significant number of changes we've made over the last few months to various aspects of films and actors which appeared to me to be quite unnecessary does make me wonder how secure any part of this project is in regards to our older customs on here. More concerning is how little discussion actually goes into the goods of the articles, the actual text content. Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:41, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Infoboxes decorative?? If they were intended as decor I'm sure we could think of something far more attractive than that!! I doubt many would agree that this is what they are intended for. They are intended to provide basic details -facts and figures. Perhaps reeling off lists of awards in an infobox complicates things after all but providing it is summarised I don't see any harm. The problem though would be deciding what or what not should be included. Perhaps PC78 is right in that this is often too problematic and its better to just list them in the article. If you feel there is a consensus to remove these sections I expect you to do it professionally and remove all of the sections from existing articles and clean them up. Check out the SPielberg article for instance when you click edit. Its a mess. Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Guess Who??? Dr. Blofeld White cat 00:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm glad someone is trying to bring this back to a discussion of the key point - ie keeping or not keeping the field, but I disagree with your proposal. You say that because "the initial proposals above weren't specific enough".... [not] "all of the editors here felt they could add their names to a particular one". The initial proposals were clear enough for several people to comment, and the objection was that not enough people knew about the proposal. I don't think anyone has said they "felt they couldn't add their names" either during or after the initial discussion. Rather than say that some people didn't understand the proposal, I think it's more accurate to say some people didn't agree with the implementation of a decision that, for whatever reason, they were not part of. Second, "A vote for a higher choice would automatically be considered also a vote for the choices above it -- i.e. a vote for choice 5 could also be counted as a vote for 4,3 and 2". I'm not casting a vote here, but if I was, for example, voting for option 5, I would not accept that it be counted as a vote for 4, 3, or 2. If I vote for 5, I would want it counted as 5 only, because the other options are different. Option 5 = no field. Every other option = field. If I vote for 4, I don't want it counted as a vote for 3. And so on. Finally, rather than 'voting', it would be more constructive to discuss the situation. I know that 'voting' happens all over Wikipedia, but discussion is more useful. What if the people in support of removing the field commented briefly on the perceived advantages of removing/disadvantages of keeping? And the people in support of restoring the field could comment on the perceived advantages of using the field/disadvantages of not using? Part of that comment could address which of the options that person supports, if they feel it necessary to choose one, but I think we need a stronger understanding of what we each consider important and why. Much of the comment here has been about the process, and the points that specifically relate to the usefulness of the field are somewhat obscured as a result. Rossrs ( talk) 14:12, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Maybe people are really busy? Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:40, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
That would be better, but it seems Garion has begun clean up by removing the awards altogether... Dr. Blofeld White cat 01:36, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Yup I noticed you had started on that. How many exactly have you done? Dr. Blofeld White cat 01:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah I noticed some of them took up a large amount of kb. Dr. Blofeld White cat 01:53, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I understand the reasoning for removing the awards section due to lengthy lists on the page, but now directors' awards don't show up in the infobox either (unless there's an infobox template I'm not aware of that still shows awards). Since winning major awards, such as Academy, Golden Globe, etc. is a large part of a filmmaker's biography and standing in the film world, could we instill a "filmmaker infobox" with awards intact? -- Utilizer ( talk) 16:32, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey all, there's an interesting discussion underway at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ronald_Reagan#Kings_Row as to whether A) Kings Row is given sufficient weight in the main Reagan article and B) Whether the section on his films is properly composed in general. The former is the issue immediately at hand. Participation by editors with knowledge of that era in filmmaking would be most welcome. Stetsonharry ( talk) 15:24, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
If a director was born in Belgium but has become a naturalized American citizen, would you categorize him as a Belgian or an American film director? FYI, all his work has been in the States. Thanks! LiteraryMaven ( talk • contrib) 21:04, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Belgian born American film director is correct. Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I would categorize him as both and also as a Belgian American. Regards Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:58, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
This is to let people know that there is only a day or so left on a poll. The poll is an attempt to end years of argument about autoformatting which has also led to a dispute about date linking. Your votes are welcome at: Wikipedia:Date formatting and linking poll. Regards Lightmouse ( talk) 09:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
After a one-week voting with eight editors supporting the removal of the section, a decision was taken to remove the awards section from {{ infobox actor}}. A number of editors considered the removal and the way it was handled incorrect. Requesting your opinion on whether the awards section should be kept out or come back. Please do read the section where this was initially discussed. Shahid • Talk2me 15:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
May I use the light bulb to light my volcano chamber? Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
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Sifting through some of the FA's and GA's for living actors, it seems to be a rather common practice to include stills or framegrabs from notable roles. See for instance File:Chopper-Bana.jpg, File:KaDee Strickland in Train Ride.jpg, File:Loveserenade-MirandaOtto.jpg, File:Piratessiliconvalley.jpg, or File:KHNHLS.jpg. In all of these, the actor's appearance is not very different from their "real-life" appearance. However, one of the non-free images that I uploaded, Image:Floberg Villmark.jpg, which has (in my opinion) a stronger fair-use rationale than all of these, was considered a violation of the non-free content criteria by at least two administrators working with images, in particular NFCC#1, the argument being that they are replaceable by a free equivalent that merely depicts the subject "out of character".
I am thus asking for your opinion on whether such use should be discouraged in actor BLP's. Thanks. decltype ( talk) 02:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
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This probably was discussed, so please bear with me on this, but I need to know. How should lists of awards and nominations received by an actor/actress look like? I only ask this, due to the fact that I have Heath Ledger's list up at FLC and User:Matthewedwards brought up a good point that WP:ACTOR and WP:FILM don't have their lists set-up like WP:MUSIC. If there's a certain format, please let me know. Again, if this was brought up, I'm sorry. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 15:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
So, if I understand correctly, there's consensus that colors should not be used? I agree that it looked awkward in Ledger's table, but for some reason I think they look good in the table format used in e.g Emma Watson#Awards, especially in Firefox. decltype ( talk) 22:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I've been working on articles and have recently looked at a great number of director articles, working from the Academy Award for Best Director list. I'm a little concerned about the bias shown in most of these articles regarding Academy Awards vs. any other. What I'm seeing in multiple articles is typically what is in Mike Nichols#Filmography. Someone, or multiple someones, have made an effort to create a table listing Academy Award wins and nominations and basically ignores the others, which to me seems to give undue weight to the Oscars. Some have listings of awards and nominations for other awards, but the focus is on Oscar. I thought perhaps this should be brought up here for discussion. I support the use of tables for filmographies, but this simply seems too selective. Thoughts? Wildhartlivie ( talk) 20:10, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) I'm not sure from what it is you're dissenting. Removing table columns that only outline Academy Awards, calling someone any type of award-winning or award-nominated, or not using the term Academy Award-winning/nominated in a lead sentence? Because each has its own rationale. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 23:08, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I've nominated Template:Sellers movies for deletion here, based on the previous deletion of the other actor-only templates in the past as being redundant and consensus against them. Please post any comments you might have regarding this. Thanks! Wildhartlivie ( talk) 23:53, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion regarding the possible deletion of a template listing selected film scores by a given conductor at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2009 May 9#Template:Rahul Dev Burman. Anyone interested is more than welcome to take part. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 15:42, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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There's a request here to move "Shirley Temple" to "Shirley Temple Black". Folks might like to weigh in with their opinions. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 18:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi folks. I've recently come across Stephen McCole while tagging for the Scotland Project. I've not prodded him, but he looks like he's on the very fringes of notability - could someone have a look? TIA FlagSteward ( talk) 13:07, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to get a 24-hour pass to The Stage archive this Friday, so if anybody wants any articles accessing for creating/expanding wiki articles, please list the author and title here and I'll email them to you ( in a personal and non-commercial way). Bradley0110 ( talk) 13:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Discussion going on here. Yworo ( talk) 17:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Do navbox templates for film directors (i.e. those categorised
here) fall under the scope of this project, and should they be tagged with the {{
WPBiography|filmbio-work-group=yes}}
project banner? I personally would say yes, as the templates are directly related to the filmmaker. Another editor contends that these should be exclusively tagged for
WP:FILM as the templates mainly contain film links, but I don't see why they shouldn't be tagged for both projects. Thoughts?
PC78 (
talk)
11:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
What are people's opinion on those, to me excessive, succession boxes about awards. Previous winner, next winner etc. Previous Q (James Bond), next Q etc etc. Compare this with this. Which one is better? Garion96 (talk) 18:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I agree, I find that they really clutter the articles. Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:52, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) SOOOooo, folks. Should we go ahead and implement this decision? Wildhartlivie ( talk) 01:32, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Yes, that SNL "Media office" thing has always chafed my chaps. They were the anchors on the news segment of a comedy show. WHAT media office??? You know, they can always make "Sexy men" templates. I'm open to removing all of them that we can. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 01:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I disagree with the proposal for a widespread removal of succession boxes. Just because some people don't use them is not sufficient reason to prevent other people from having the option for using them. RJ4 ( talk) 01:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
As part of the GA Sweeps project I have reviewed this article and reluctantly concluded that it should be delisted until concerns over referencing and the lack of broad scope are addressed. Comments have been left at Talk:Ian McKellen/GA1 suggesting ways in which the article can be improved. Thanks. Jezhotwells ( talk) 22:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
There is a discussion on the Warren Beatty talk page regarding the insertion of a rank insignia in the Military service section. I removed it when it was added because the article itself already discusses that the insignia's design has changed over the years and I believe the insignia image is merely decorative. The poster returned it and when I removed it a second time, I added my rational for removing. He's returned it again and wants input from other editors regarding. Personally, I cannot see how seeing a picture of an insignia contributes anything to the understanding of the article about Beatty, especially since the design change was mentioned already. I'm not even sure that the routine reader would care so much about a design change. I'd appreciate anyone's input on this. I'm sure there is probably policy addressing the use of decorative images, but I'm not sure where to find it. Thanks. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 01:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to ask whether somebody with a copy of the following book:
could use it as a reference to fill out the child actress Betsy King Ross's article? I believe the following to be true, but I can't access a suitable source to confirm this:
Thank you!— RJH ( talk) 18:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion on whether or not to merge Samuel L. Jackson filmography back into the main article on the actor. Since the actor fall under the project, I thought I'd mention this here. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 22:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Previous discussion on the proposal to move James Stewart (actor) to Jimmy Stewart was not to make that move. Further discussion to make James Stewart the American actor (with no disamiguation in the article title) the primary use of James Stewart continues. This proposal would make a James Stewart (disambiguation) page the home to the listing of all uses of the name. Please post your opinion regarding this proposal at Talk:James Stewart. Thanks. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 20:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
In trying to expand the Hunt Stromberg article I can find only four reliable - and sometimes conflicting - sources: IMDB, Allmovie, filmreference.com and cobbles.com. In addition there is almost no biographical information on the web; he is supposed to have founded Santa Anita and Hollywood racetracks, to have been a major investor in both, and to have been married to a Katherine Kerwin who died in 1951 - the year he retired from the movie business. He also had one known son, Hunt Stromberg Jr., who became a producer/director in his own right. Any ideas would be highly appreciated! Thank you, Shir-El too 00:19, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I started a discussion at WT:FILM about the benefit of Allmovie as an external link, though this was more for film articles. I noticed that Allmovie is included as an external link in actor articles (though I am not sure how widespread its inclusion is). I wanted to mention the discussion (which currently applies to film articles only) to see if there are any arguments for or against Allmovie's inclusion in a general capacity. Thoughts are appreciated at the discussion. — Erik ( talk • contrib) 06:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
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Here's a discussion about subject development you might find interesting.
The Transhumanist 22:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm new to editing within this project. If a film maker has multiple films in the Criterion Collection would it be reasonable to list them as such in a lede for a director's article? --or-- rather would that usually be more pertinent in the body, or merely in the individual film's article? - Steve3849 talk 02:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
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I'm not a member of this Wikiproject but those that are may want to consider a huge batch of edits being made by user 75.5.239.210. A large number of those edits relate to the following section in the Ongoing Project / To Do lists.
Remove lead sentence mention of "______ Award-winning" and/or "______ Award-nominated". This can and should be included in lead sections, but not in lead sentences. Please change leads to include mention of major awards, but do so in context.
My reading of this is that information about Awards / Nominations should be included in the lead, but not in the lead sentence. If it is currently in the lead sentence, it should be changed but mention of the major awards etc. should be kept.
User 75.5.239.210 has relentlessly been editing out ALL mention of awards etc. from the leads. David T Tokyo ( talk) 07:16, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
If this is an old question, please excuse me.... but I recently came across an article about a an individual who is a playwright/actor/author/screenwriter/producer/journalist/novelist that was in sad need of cleanup and sourcing [1], so I did so... removing the "citation needed" tags and "unreferenced" tags as I added the requested citations as I cleaned the darn thing. [2] However the editor who had done all the tagging, came back and replaced a "unreferenced" tag on the filmography section [3] with a caution that I not remove his tag unless I source the section. So I added some [4] and simply tagged the section for "more sources". In my noticing that actor articles do not have their filmography sections specifcally sourced, I am wondering is this something that we need do now for all actor articles? If so, there are a few thousand actor articles that now need to be so tagged. If such is not required, might I have a link to the guideline or decision that states it, so I might forward that on to the tagging editor? Thank you, MichaelQSchmidt ( talk) 02:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
I became aware of a traffic count stat tool on toolserver [5] that gives a nice count of page views. I've put in a request to get such stats for this project, at least as a test, in order to see what articles we have that get the highest views. I'm thinking this might give us a better way to gauge what articles might need attention. Thanks. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 08:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I just started a new page on the director Joseph Kosinski, but I wanted to let whomever know, who might be able to clean it up, add something, or whatnot. Thanks. Rhetth ( talk) 21:19, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
IP editor, 69.209.113.108, is making numerous edits [6] Many edits remove a fact from the text because it is in the infobox or a list. They may all be fine but it would be nice if someone familiar with WP:Actor would review these edits. -- SWTPC6800 ( talk) 17:31, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I just (perhaps incautiously) deleted the filmography for Stig Eldred, but I thought I should bring the question here. If an actor is, by real world non-wikipedia standards, not really notable, and his article is and probably will remain a stub, does it make sense to have a very detailed filmography? Can't you just click through to IMDB and get the same info? For more prominent actors of course we want their articles to be one-stop shopping, but why should Stig get a one sentence article and then a 40 line filmography? Any thoughts on this? - Surfer83 ( talk) 23:34, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
There is a factual error on the page for Billy and Bobby Mauch
Actual year of birth is 1924, not 1921.
65.39.92.228 ( talk) 11:10, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I suggest that this sentence .... : "Remove lead sentence mention of "______ Award-winning" and/or "______ Award-nominated". This can and should be included in lead sections, but not in lead sentences. Please change leads to include mention of major awards, but do so in context."
.... could be expanded to include polls, surveys, box-office drawing power, salaries and general acclaim. Basically anything beyond the basic definition described at WP:LEAD. I'm thinking about the "one of the greatest actors ever" tag that keeps appearing on the end of the lead sentences of people like Robert De Niro and Al Pacino, and this kind of statement is even more vague than "Academy Award winning" which can at least be nailed down to a straight-forward fact. Obviously De Niro and Pacino are among the most acclaimed actors of all time, but the claim is made without context and usually sourced to a poll that doesn't necessarily demonstrate how widely the viewpoint is held. I think it should stay in the lead, where applicable, but as part of the overall summary. The lead sections for De Niro and Pacino need to be expanded before this could be achieved. Any thoughts on the wording? Rossrs ( talk) 13:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
What about: "Exclude from the lead sentence phrases that bolster a person's status beyond basic descriptions covering career that support notability. Examples include phrases that inflate standing such as being an award winner, award nominee, one of the greatest actors/filmmakers ever, or other such highlights. Such phrases can be used later in the lead section in better context, such as summarizing the kinds of awards won or the kind of polls that rank a person's greatness in the film industry. Lead sentences should only include name, birth/death dates, occupation and nationality. Example: William Bradley "Brad" Pitt (born December 18, 1963) is an American actor and film producer." Wildhartlivie ( talk) 20:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
The list of most popular pages for the last month has been posted here. If you have time, please take a minute to visit some of those pages and make any changes/improvements that you might note are required. This is a great tool for the project to address highly visible pages. Thanks! Wildhartlivie ( talk) 21:31, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I have opened a discussion at Talk:Spencer Tracy#Filmography regarding the removal of the filmography from the main article and discussion regarding no need for spinning the filmography into a separate article. Please comment there. Thank you. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 21:27, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
This article has issues, and a GA reassessment is under way. Stetsonharry ( talk) 15:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
There is a current discussion at Talk:Greta Garbo#Was Garbo beautiful? regarding wording in ALT text that could use some other comments. Thanks! Wildhartlivie ( talk) 07:37, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Hope I'm putting this in the right place, and I apologize if I haven't.
The dates in the Thomas Ince article don't add up, particularly regarding his death. The article states that the Oneida set sail on Saturday the 15th, and that Ince died on Tuesday the 19th. But if the 15th was a Saturday, Tuesday would have been the 18th. Unless he actually died very late Tuesday night, after midnight? If so, that needs clarification. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LorelieLong ( talk • contribs) 12:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 September 21#Category:Actors to portray superheroes regarding this category as well as discussion regarding further categorization. Please take a look and add any comments you might have. Thanks. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 23:42, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
{{
WPBiography}} is coded so that an article can be tagged for the
arts and entertainment work group or
WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers, but not both at the same time. The reason for this appears to be the overlapping scope of the two: WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers is regarded as a child project of the arts and entertainment work group. So for example, an actor biography tagged with {{
WPBiography|a&e=yes|filmbio=yes}}
will only actually be tagged for WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers, because inclusion in the more generic work group is redundant. (With me so far?)
This is less straightforward for some articles though. Mikhail Baryshnikov is known primarily as a ballet dancer, but has also done some acting, and there is an unusual (and absurd) situation on his talk page where there are two instances of {{ WPBiography}}, one tagging the article for the arts and entertainment work group with a Top-priority rating, the other tagging it for WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers with a Mid-priority rating. There should only be one transclusion of the {{ WPBiography}} banner on that page, so (and irrespective of the priority rating) should it be:
Note: I've also posted this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography, so please reply there to keep discussion in one place. Thanks! PC78 ( talk) 17:11, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
I've proposed a merger of Eugene Khumbanyiwa into the movie District 9 and one of the editors suggested soliciting viewpoints here. So, I am! Merger discussion can be found here: Talk:District_9#Merger_proposal. Thanks for any input. JohnInDC ( talk) 17:52, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated the article List of overweight actors in United States cinema for deletion. Discussion may be found here. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 02:02, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Am I wrong to think a filmography with 201 titles, most of them redlinked, is excessive? LargoLarry ( talk) 18:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Three actor filmography templates have been listed for deletion. Please read and comment here, here, and here. A director template containing two films has been listed for deletion here. Thank you. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 02:12, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
In a forthcoming update to {{
WPBiography}}, a |needs-discography=
parameter is to be added for the benefit of
WP:MUSICIAN. Would a |needs-filmography=
parameter be of benefit to this project or not?
PC78 (
talk)
22:30, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
At the templates for deletion discussions noted above, it was noted that perhaps it would be beneficial to include a guideline here reflecting the wide consensus that actor filmography templates are not helpful additions. After being asked, I compiled links to the wide number of previous deletion discussions to delete these templates and I am posting them here for convenience and consultation.
What we have is from about a 3 year period, covering 18 separate template deletion decisions for 86 separate templates, all of which were deleted. I'd like to move forward with incorporating this consensus on our main page under guidelines. I think the overriding opinions include that they are redundant to the filmography and that if such templates were used routinely, we'd have a tremendous overabundance of such templates on film pages, which do not help anyone. Take for example the following films and the number of templates for prominent stars only.
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Basically, I propose that WP:ACTOR develop a guideline stating that filmographies for actors should not be summarized into templates due to the problems of over-proliferation of templates and crowding. Or something to that effect. We can also note that there is no consensus against using templates for directors' work. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 00:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Lord of the Rings is only one of four examples used. Star Wars was not used, although it certainly could be. Three other films are given, which are basically reflective of major films these days and they reflect nothing different regarding overuse of actor filmography templates. Complete actor filmographies simply are not relevant to any individual film. It isn't just a Jim Carrey template, it is any of them that end up overwhelming a film article with information unrelated to the specific film. We aren't looking for the solution to how such templates would be contained, we are discussing why such templates are inappropriate for some given film article. I'd have to observe, though, that if some given film article doesn't have enough content, then that is what an editor should concentrate on, and not on how to bring in the complete body of work that one actor in a film has done. It's extraneous and not relevant to the specific article or topic. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 04:23, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
I do not agree the case however you put it.
First of all it is nice, you gathered to add and improve content here. Though
WP:ACTOR is no god, no admin, no policy maker, and strictly obliged to subject general WikiGuidelines as a Project like rest of us. So as a project, it cannot create or perform a ban against actor templates in practice wikiwide, as it has no right to do so.
Also as a Project, you have no right to dictate non-members what they cannot create in the most basic level, where wikiguidelines takes over "consensus" dictation. You need to establish a solid WikiGuideline [which you can't], such as no actor template allowed in wikipedia, just because we build a consensus in a Project "about a 3 year period" and accomplished "18 separate template deletion decisions for 86 separate templates", therefore wasting all other [maybe more than 86] wiki editor's time and effort, ignoring each template creator's accumulative consensus, which resulted like a snowball after we got a consensus for first cases, though it is just a Project consensus and we have no wiki-wide ban against actor templates at hand. That seriously fails in logic.
What we all try to do is improving content for ourselves and other readers
*Actor templates are compact, results easy navigation and informative. It only costs 1 line in article, though it leads even 50 separate films of the leading actors of the film. You don't have to click actor's name then go to filmography section then click another movie then hit back button in browser and than click another link than hit back button again ...
You can't dictate your project-wide decision to wikipedia users internationally, then brag about getting 86 templates deleted, again which only stands by your own-project-wide-consensus which has nothing to do with other 86 template creator's [you should also tell it is dozens of non-members consensus to create such templates] will or time-effort they put into their templates.
I will try taking this debate a higher process, where it should result in undeletion of all other leading actor's template. Your project-wide consensus is none of my concern when it comes to deletion of other user's efforts, and I can assume all other 86 template creator's consensus in creating such templates as a ground for having such templates.
As a Project, weighting in template deletion discussions, singling out template creator's in every case does not establish any strict rule as we can't have any actor templates because you say so.
I will also bring the case in WikiProject Inclusion board. [edit conflict]
Kasaalan (
talk)
14:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) For the sake of transparency, it should be noted that I have been in a long running dispute with the above editor on another, completely unrelated article, and the Jim Carrey template, which has been nominated for deletion, was made by the above editor. As is typical with using the software to nominate pages for deletion, I nominated the Carrey template for deletion without knowing who had created it until the software had finished posting the nomination and notification to the creator. It is not a personal issue, here, Kasaalan, so please do not "remind" me of anything here.
Having said that, outside of this project, WP:FILM doesn't support including individual templates on film articles and in consideration of that, there is no purpose for actor filmography templates beyond the actor article, which makes it redundant to the filmography table. WikiProjects create style guidelines all of the time, which is the basic backbone of article styles and it is absolutely acceptable that they do so. You've made your points, there is no benefit to continuing to post the "last word". However, I can't currently see that your opinion outweighs all of the other opinions simply because you snow the discussion with long posts that are bolded or underlined. Thanks for your opinion. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 04:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Could someone with more expertise than I asses the appropriateness of these Blair Witch navboxes (designed to look like templates), such as [7], on actor pages. See Special:Contributions/Sottolacqua @ 16:54, 14 October 2009 for others. The JPS talk to me 17:16, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Please note that priority assessments for this project are now added by using the |filmbio-priority=
parameter in the {{
WPBiography}} project banner. In addition, and for this project only, it can be requested that a filmography be added to an article by adding |needs-filmography=
to the banner. For example, {{WPBiography|filmbio-work-group=yes|needs-filmography}}
will display:
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Biography:
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and add articles to Category:Actors and filmmakers work group articles needing filmographies. Please refer to Template:WikiProject Biography/doc for full instructions on how to use the banner, or feel free to ask any questions on the banner's talk page. PC78 ( talk) 02:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Anne Hathaway (actress) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 07:34, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
[8] = removed bit of text relating to not including Golden Raspberry Awards. Actually oftentimes this is quite noteworthy. Also, previous discussion came to a consensus this was not to be included in Template:Infobox actor, but did not pertain to inclusion elsewhere in the article. Cirt ( talk) 08:14, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I had already begun to nominate the templates for deletion and will continue on that path as soon as the deletion discussion page bug is worked out so that I can use the script to add them. If you don't think there has been general consensus for using these templates, I would be completely happy to open a discussion regarding them. Doesn't it seem odd that these would sit unused if they were accepted by the community as valid? This is no way says that specific mentions of Raspberry Awards in some context isn't valid, and there are mentions of them in some articles. One would be whoever (I want to say it was Halle Berry) who showed up to accept the award. I believe it was the only time it ever occurred. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 09:10, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
<=Here is the archived discussion about the Razzie awards relative to their inclusion in the actor infobox: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Actors_and_Filmmakers/Archive_3#Infobox_actor_changes_proposal. There is no other archived talk about Razzies or the Golden Raspberry Awards. I think it premature to conclude from a wide sample of editors' past actions that there was a consensus not to use the Razzie template. The question itself should be posed so that a formal consensus can be established. Binksternet ( talk) 15:50, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
It is my understanding that the film or television project itself is acceptable as sourcing an actor's appearance in that project. Has this changed, or are we somehow supposed to post copies of the films for readers to themselves watch... as it seems to me that THAT would cause all sorts of probems with copyright infringement. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 03:44, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2009_November_8#Template:Golden_Raspberry_Award_for_Worst_Actress. Thanks, Cirt ( talk) 21:24, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Should actor's credits of being in Broadway plays be listed under their filmography? Thanks. -- Mike Allen talk · contribs 18:44, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Another user has repeatedly replaced the filmography table in this article with an inferior list, even after I have pointed out the filmbio guideline, on the basis that "such short film section doesn't require a table". I've just been editing the article and have restored the table, but it would be helpful if someone else could keep an eye on it or weigh in with an opinion at the talk page. PC78 ( talk) 02:21, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 November 22#Category:Parks and Recreation actors Bradley0110 ( talk) 20:39, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
After scanning through a lot of TV navboxes over the last couple of days, I've found a large number of them include links to actors. These navboxes are then placed at the bottom of the actor articles (sometimes several of them depending how prolific the actor is in primetime television) resulting in very messy looking articles that define an actor solely on which show or film they've been in. Many of these navboxes are created by fans of TV shows because they've seen others do it. Concerned about how few articles that are directly related to their show, these editors seek to legitimise the creation of the template by padding it out with people related to the show, sometimes tangentally (those editors who have been to TFD over the last couple of days will have seen some examples).
Since the deletion of "[Television series] actors" categories, these templates have been on the rise. They serve exactly the same purpose: to categorise a performer by their work. As was discussed at those CFDs, actors, writers, directors and producers can work on many TV shows and films in their careers, and having a category or template for each show will just clutter pages (as an example, I cleaned up the Scrubs template ({{ Scrubs}}) yesterday to remove this people padding [13]).
I think we need to work with the Film and TV Wikiprojects to nip this getaround in the bud once and for all, and create a proper reason for why people should be linked from these navboxes (using the Scrubs example again, the only person I have left linked in that navbox is Bill Lawrence, the creator of the show). Bradley0110 ( talk) 11:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
...are now available for this project!
Hopefully people will find these of use. Regards. PC78 ( talk) 07:44, 5 September 2009 (UTC) (Please keep for the time being. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 00:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC))
After a recent request, I added WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers/Popular pages.
The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr. Z-man 00:12, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone else happen to find the sudden flux of additions to articles of a navbox for MTV Movie Awards at all annoying?
[14] Don't we have enough meritorious awards to contend with to have to check/render opinion on awards that are open to multiple voting and excessive fan bias? This might just be my own personal rant, but we don't particularly need a navbox for every single award, regardless of its stature or commonality. I've been fine with these boxes for major awards, but I'm concerned, perturbed, and yes, annoyed, at the proliferation of them. Even tucked away in a nice {{
Template group}}
covering, this is becoming the new generation of
undue weight given to a passing editor's award of choice.
Wildhartlivie (
talk)
19:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Looking at the consensus above not to have navboxes padded, I'm curious of your thoughts on
Thanks
- J Greb ( talk) 22:39, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Junko Sakurada. Thank you for your time, Cirt ( talk) 12:20, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
An issue has arisen at Russell Crowe regarding addition of a large section of content on Firepower International which another editor and myself have gone on record as stating it is given undue weight, leans toward convicting Russell of complicity in a con activity and is inappropriately lengthy with no evidence against him save an appearance on The Tonight Show with a jersey. More opinions are needed on this possible WP:BLP violation. Thanks. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 13:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Nicole Kidman#Kidman's humanitarian status for a disagreement over referring to Kidman as a humanitarian. Eyes and comments are needed. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 05:43, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
They are:
Thanks
- J Greb ( talk) 23:11, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Since I have run into some friction on this issue, I came here for some clarification. I believe the consensus is for navigation boxes to not contain cast and crew members in Television and Film navigation boxes. Do I understand that correctly? BOVINEBOY 2008 :) 17:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
There is a relevant TfD going on here. BOVINEBOY 2008 :) 11:35, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Sorry if I'm missing the point, but personally I think that the navboxes should include at least principal cast and crew - I would not call this unnecessary information - It is quite a useful tool. However, I do agree that a multitude of navboxes should not be on each individual actor's page. Has a consensus been reached? Is there a central discussion? Rob Sinden ( talk) 13:01, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
The characters are linked in the navboxes, so if a reader wants to know who played that character it would take all but a second to click and find out (and read more). 9 times out of 10 the characters are only on that show (unless they do rare crossovers). Also the director and writers not only directs or writes the show at hand, but most likely OTHER shows; so why add them to that particular show, and then add them to the another show, and then another, etc? Speaking of Tina Fey, uh why does she have her own navbox? Seriously? -- Mike Allen talk · contribs 23:22, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
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2-ish¢... (covers a couple of things here)
- J Greb ( talk) 23:58, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Having seen a bunch of these come through the Templates for Discussion (formerly "Templates for Deletion") process, my take is this: The big problem with cast and crew in film/tv navboxes is the potential for clutter on articles. This has been discussed multiple times in multiple places. If you put actor/crew templates at the bottom of movie/show articles, then articles about many productions would be loaded with cast/crew templates. Examples where there are double-digit numbers of notable cast/crew can be provided easily. On the flip side, if navboxes for movies/shows are placed on cast/crew articles, then articles on prolific artists would be drowned in navboxes. Look at the filmography for Betty White, just for one example. So it is clear that any such placement can only be one-way. If there is a movie/show template that includes actors, it should not be placed on the articles for those actors.
Personally, I have no problem if the actors are listed in the navbox, with the understanding that they "don't count" in terms of the box's use for two-way navigation. There are quite a few other cases where links are included in a navigation box for articles that don't include that template, so there is precedent for it. However, in many cases the result is that a navbox that might look robust doesn't actually have enough "two-way" links to be useful. For example, if the navbox for a tv show contains links to the main article, an episodes list article and a bunch of cast articles, then there might be a dozen links in the box, but only two of them provide two-way navigation. So when that template comes to TFD, I'm going to !vote to delete it on the grounds that it only usefully links two articles. -- RL0919 ( talk) 23:59, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Actors are defined by the roles they play in the sense that those roles are what they are notable for, and without them, an article on Wikipedia would not be merited. Additionally, not every series has character pages, so sometimes it is more work than "just one extra click." Besides, having links to character pages doesn't take away from the actor's major contribution to the series. -- Zoeydahling ( talk) 00:05, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated Karen Dotrice for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. YellowMonkey ( bananabucket) ( Invincibles finally at Featured topic candidates) 15:37, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
There is a current request for comments at Talk:Jennifer Garner#Fashion/Style Section regarding content in the article. Comments are sought and welcome. Thank you. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 19:04, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm new to the project, and just thought I would introduce myself. Sean ( talk || contribs) 14:35, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Letting everyone know that a good article under the scope of this project, Stephen Colbert, is underoing an individual good article reassessment. You can see my concerns at Talk:Stephen Colbert/GA1. Thanks, Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs( talk) 15:03, 31 December 2009 (UTC)