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In case anyone's not watching, see Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Scoring#Some conclusions for how things will be working next year. A few changes (DYK and FL up, GT and FT down, new multipliers, FS gone) but nothing earth-shattering. See that page for details and questions. J Milburn ( talk) 12:09, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
January 1 is all of a few dozen hours away. Right now we have 71 entrants for WikiCup 2012, shall we close nominations upon entrance of the 72nd? At least with 72 we can have Round 2 be 36 in 6, Round 3, 18 in 3 pools, Round 4 the remaining 9 go for the win. Just my theory. The difference between Round 2 and 3, top two in the pool, plus 6 wildcards to make all 18. Round 3 to 4 would be the top 3 from each pool with no wildcards. This might need adjustment, but I haven't seen much in this department.Mitch32( Never support those who think in the box) 21:55, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello everyone. Please take a look at User:The ed17/NARA to brainstorm ideas and a structure on how we can help the National Archives ExtravaSCANza. My hope is that the success of this event will ensure that others will be organized in the future, even without Dominic as a Wikipedian-in-Residence, so we all benefit from the high-quality, formerly non-digitized media uploaded to the Commons. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 10:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
This is the logo of WikiCup made by me. You may change this. -- Il223334234 ( talk) 14:17, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
I swear I saw a userbox for the 2012 Wikicup but I can't find it lol. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 15:00, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Two questions: (1) If you work on an article in both 2011 (e.g. in the last few days) and in 2012 (e.g. the next few days) is that eligible for entry into this year's WikiCup? (2) If you start work on an article in userspace (I have some drafts going back a fair amount of time and one of my New Year resolutions is to do more work on those) and then move it into article space, are those eligible? Should some of the work be done in 2012, or is moving it into article space in 2012 enough? In my case, all the drafts will need additional work before they are ready, but I thought I should check. Carcharoth ( talk) 18:05, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Just thought people may be interested to know that there is a German version of the WikiCup. J Milburn ( talk) 16:12, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Hey all. As the operator of the WikiCup bot, I'm the guy responsible for slapping "{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Multiplier|none}}
" next to your submissions. As such, I'd thought it might be useful to demonstrate that mulitpliers - bonus points for working on articles deemed to be of "higher priority" - are very much within reach for all participants. Thus, here is a list of semi-random suggestions (all are at pre-GA levels):
So, as you can see, whether you prefer working in a specific field, or use to the cup to read up on something completely new, multipliers can be a useful way of selecting articles to work on. (If anyone wants me to trawl the list looking for articles in a particular field, let me know!) Happy cup'ing, - Jarry1250 Deliberation needed 13:48, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but for the second round how are the participants for each group decided? Round 1 explains that the top 64 contestants will advance to the next round and be put in 8 groups of 8, but is unclear on how these groups are decided. Is it random selection? Alphabetized somehow? This is my first year in the WikiCup, and I haven't been able to find any info on this. Thanks! Ruby 2010/ 2013 04:32, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
If we really blackout, how will the Cup be modified to workaround the "lost time"? Hurricanefan25 ( talk · contribs) 13:28, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Someone else has nominated my latest article for Did You Know, before I could. Sweet of them to think it worthy, and I hurried up and completed it, but . . . it's been my assumption I can only claim for DYKs that I myself nominate. Am I right in that or have I been misreading the rules? -- Yngvadottir ( talk) 14:04, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Just a quick note to say that it might be worthwhile updating the submission page template for DYKs, as they introduced subpages during the latter half of last year. At the moment the template reads: # [[ARTICLE]] [diff of nomination] {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Link|ARTICLE or LIST}}, but it would be better if it was updated to read: # [[ARTICLE]] [[Template:Did you know nominations/ARTICLE or LIST]] {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Link|ARTICLE or LIST}}. I've been using this different code on my DYK submission page, so you can see how it displays here. Miyagawa (talk) 13:53, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
This message is going to have to wait; the newsletter has ended up longer than anticipated. It will get done, but, in the mean time, just don't worry about it. J Milburn ( talk) 23:10, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
For the fourth consecutive year I'm pulling out of the competition. Sorry. -- Scorpion 0422 00:57, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
I've just signed up for this event for the first time, so I am a bit confused on scoring. I have 3 GAs ( Spoken For, Word of God Speak, and Move (MercyMe song)) as well as a DYK ( Long Way Home (Steven Curtis Chapman song)) that were confirmed within the time period of the first round but before I signed up. Can these count, or are they not able to? Also, I have a GT nominee, The Generous Mr. Lovewell, that I nominated before I signed up and that has not passed yet. In the (likely) event it does pass, can I get credit for that as well? Toa Nidhiki 05 21:16, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi, just like some people have two citizenships in real life, am I allowed to have to flags next to my name? -- Sp33dyphil © hat ontributions 08:53, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Just to say that I've fixed this: it'll now show where the cutoff is (i.e. be useful) instead of just being blank. Thanks all, - Jarry1250 Deliberation needed 17:47, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Can someone check out my submissions page for my first entry and make sure I did it right, please? The toolserver url doesn't seem to be working (I'm getting a 504 Gateway Timeout) and I don't know if it's my fault or not. Also, it's an ITN submission and I didn't nominate it, but I did rewrite the blurbline and make all the updates to the relevant articles with refs. Thanks, Matthewedwards : Chat 21:09, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Any chance I could still get in? I just returned to Wikipedia after a long hiatus and saw the bot messages on my talk page. Apparently, registration just closed 2 days ago, so I thought I'd see if I could squeak in. If not, no big deal.
Thanks, ThaddeusB ( talk) 05:48, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Needs updating, I think? - Jarry1250 Deliberation needed 11:38, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
What happens in the event of a tie for the last qualifying spot(s)? Do all such competitors move on even if that means more than 64 go through? -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 02:51, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi! If I would promote an article I promoted to GA in Round 1 to GA in the same round- - Would I lose points for the GA promotion, or would I keep both points for the GA and FA promotion? -- Khanassassin ☪ 16:31, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Hope you all are aware of this. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 05:41, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
As of right now, I'm definitely on the bubble as it were with my ten points ( [1]). My question is, right now I have a pending DYK nomination at Template:Did you know nominations/Undercover: Operation Wintersun. Would there be any way to receive credit for it now if it gets approved before the end of the month but doesn't go up on the main page? I'd very much like to stay in this competition. Nomader ( talk) 00:06, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Could someone please update the way the talk page is archived? Currently the bot is dumping archived threads into Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Archive/2011/4, which I think should be WT:WikiCup/Archive/2012/1. However, I don't know how to go about making this change. The template at the top of the page also needs to be updated to show the new year (I can do this, but the judges probably understand the archive bot better than I do, since I've never used it!). Dana boomer ( talk) 16:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Is round 1 over? I know it might be a dumb question, but the top of the project page states that round 1 was suppose to end on the 26th. However, no changes have been made. I just had a GA pass today and I'm not sure what to do. I don't want to add it since I think I can claim it in round 2 since it passed after round 1 ended. I don't need the points, as of this moment, to get to round 2 and don't want them to be wasted in a round I've already advanced pass, not trying to be pushy is this is just a time constraint for the judges, I just want to be sure that everything I'm doing is on the up and up. Thanks,-- Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 21:48, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
I created the Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2012/Round 1 list. If anything is not according to what it should be please change it accordingly. -- Stone ( talk) 22:12, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Timing did not cooperate with me this year. I have been working on several articles (including one currently listed at GAN) and spending a lot of time on Commons lately. While I will not be winning the Cup this year (as if I had a chance!) I look forward to watching the competition and seeing the results of participants' labor. Best of luck! -- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:32, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Ok, we are left with 6 user on 10 points, but only one of them will be able to make it through. The tiebreaker is simple- I am asking for any of those tied to tell me of any additional work that they have done that may be deserving of recognition. Examples of this include articles upon which there has not been significant work this year passing during the round, articles upon which work was done in the round passing after the round has finished, review work (perhaps at FAC, PR or something similar) which was not awarded points, or the like. J Milburn ( talk) 22:28, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Anyone willing to review some of the X-Files GA's? Quite a few of my nom's (about 30) have built up for awhile, and I've thoroughly gone through most of them, in the mean time, and checked for prose mistakes. I realize you guys can get some points for reviewing, and they are waiting if you want 'em!-- Gen. Quon ( talk) 17:05, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
I just created a Wikicup Viewer script. It was for myself, so I could take a quick look at the standings on Wikipedia:WikiCup to see who would be passing and failing if the round were to end right now (it's particularly useful starting in Round 2 and subsequent rounds because it indicates who the wildcards are at the moment). The script therefore also makes it clear exactly how many points would be needed for a person to move on to the next round.
At the moment, the script automatically sorts all tables by "Score" (descending), and then color codes every row either green (for "passing"), red (for "failing"), or yellow (for yourself, to show where you stand). The script's colors, the "green" in particular, are also easier on the eyes than the current colors. Please note that if you install the script, early in the rounds you will see most users of the top two groups to be in green; this is because almost everyone has 0 points, so of course the script just takes users starting from the top group as those that will be "passing" on to the next round.
You guys can use it if you want, I just decided to let you guys know about it just in case anyone is interested; just install it like any other script. Gary King ( talk · scripts) 01:35, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
AS I have retired and scrambled the password for my main account, please withdraw that one. Thanks -- HurricaneFan Alt ≈≈ ( bad revert?) 12:45, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
It is not fair that a cup competitor can get credit for dozens of articles, all about one topic, which were nominated by someone else, and not have to do any reviews in return. Doing QPQ reviews is part of the DYK process. Not requiring reviews for nominations of articles by someone else is intended to encourage variety on the main page by including articles on a variety of topics by new users who may be unfamiliar with DYK. That definitely does not include dozens of articles on one topic all by the same person. It is skirting the rules, neglecting obligations, and creating an unfair burden on DYK users who have to review all of those articles which add to the backlog. The rules should be changed so that in order to receive cup credit for a DYK, the competitor should have to do a review, even if someone else nominates their article. This is only fair. Other cup participants do their reviews, so someone who avoids having to do it is gaming the system, getting an unfair advantage, and only doing part of what they should be doing. 159.83.4.153 ( talk) 01:12, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
I think I am the subject of this discussion. I write and improve articles. That's what I do on wikipedia. If other people nominate them for DYK that's fine by me. I have never asked anyone to nominate articles on my behalf. I am not "gaming" anything. I entered wikicup in late January because I was told about it and it sounded like fun. If there is a feeling that I am spoiling things I will be happy to withdraw from the competition. Tigerboy1966 00:23, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
In case anyone's not watching, see Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Scoring#Some conclusions for how things will be working next year. A few changes (DYK and FL up, GT and FT down, new multipliers, FS gone) but nothing earth-shattering. See that page for details and questions. J Milburn ( talk) 12:09, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
January 1 is all of a few dozen hours away. Right now we have 71 entrants for WikiCup 2012, shall we close nominations upon entrance of the 72nd? At least with 72 we can have Round 2 be 36 in 6, Round 3, 18 in 3 pools, Round 4 the remaining 9 go for the win. Just my theory. The difference between Round 2 and 3, top two in the pool, plus 6 wildcards to make all 18. Round 3 to 4 would be the top 3 from each pool with no wildcards. This might need adjustment, but I haven't seen much in this department.Mitch32( Never support those who think in the box) 21:55, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello everyone. Please take a look at User:The ed17/NARA to brainstorm ideas and a structure on how we can help the National Archives ExtravaSCANza. My hope is that the success of this event will ensure that others will be organized in the future, even without Dominic as a Wikipedian-in-Residence, so we all benefit from the high-quality, formerly non-digitized media uploaded to the Commons. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 10:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
This is the logo of WikiCup made by me. You may change this. -- Il223334234 ( talk) 14:17, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
I swear I saw a userbox for the 2012 Wikicup but I can't find it lol. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 15:00, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Two questions: (1) If you work on an article in both 2011 (e.g. in the last few days) and in 2012 (e.g. the next few days) is that eligible for entry into this year's WikiCup? (2) If you start work on an article in userspace (I have some drafts going back a fair amount of time and one of my New Year resolutions is to do more work on those) and then move it into article space, are those eligible? Should some of the work be done in 2012, or is moving it into article space in 2012 enough? In my case, all the drafts will need additional work before they are ready, but I thought I should check. Carcharoth ( talk) 18:05, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Just thought people may be interested to know that there is a German version of the WikiCup. J Milburn ( talk) 16:12, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Hey all. As the operator of the WikiCup bot, I'm the guy responsible for slapping "{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Multiplier|none}}
" next to your submissions. As such, I'd thought it might be useful to demonstrate that mulitpliers - bonus points for working on articles deemed to be of "higher priority" - are very much within reach for all participants. Thus, here is a list of semi-random suggestions (all are at pre-GA levels):
So, as you can see, whether you prefer working in a specific field, or use to the cup to read up on something completely new, multipliers can be a useful way of selecting articles to work on. (If anyone wants me to trawl the list looking for articles in a particular field, let me know!) Happy cup'ing, - Jarry1250 Deliberation needed 13:48, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but for the second round how are the participants for each group decided? Round 1 explains that the top 64 contestants will advance to the next round and be put in 8 groups of 8, but is unclear on how these groups are decided. Is it random selection? Alphabetized somehow? This is my first year in the WikiCup, and I haven't been able to find any info on this. Thanks! Ruby 2010/ 2013 04:32, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
If we really blackout, how will the Cup be modified to workaround the "lost time"? Hurricanefan25 ( talk · contribs) 13:28, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Someone else has nominated my latest article for Did You Know, before I could. Sweet of them to think it worthy, and I hurried up and completed it, but . . . it's been my assumption I can only claim for DYKs that I myself nominate. Am I right in that or have I been misreading the rules? -- Yngvadottir ( talk) 14:04, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Just a quick note to say that it might be worthwhile updating the submission page template for DYKs, as they introduced subpages during the latter half of last year. At the moment the template reads: # [[ARTICLE]] [diff of nomination] {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Link|ARTICLE or LIST}}, but it would be better if it was updated to read: # [[ARTICLE]] [[Template:Did you know nominations/ARTICLE or LIST]] {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Link|ARTICLE or LIST}}. I've been using this different code on my DYK submission page, so you can see how it displays here. Miyagawa (talk) 13:53, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
This message is going to have to wait; the newsletter has ended up longer than anticipated. It will get done, but, in the mean time, just don't worry about it. J Milburn ( talk) 23:10, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
For the fourth consecutive year I'm pulling out of the competition. Sorry. -- Scorpion 0422 00:57, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
I've just signed up for this event for the first time, so I am a bit confused on scoring. I have 3 GAs ( Spoken For, Word of God Speak, and Move (MercyMe song)) as well as a DYK ( Long Way Home (Steven Curtis Chapman song)) that were confirmed within the time period of the first round but before I signed up. Can these count, or are they not able to? Also, I have a GT nominee, The Generous Mr. Lovewell, that I nominated before I signed up and that has not passed yet. In the (likely) event it does pass, can I get credit for that as well? Toa Nidhiki 05 21:16, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi, just like some people have two citizenships in real life, am I allowed to have to flags next to my name? -- Sp33dyphil © hat ontributions 08:53, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Just to say that I've fixed this: it'll now show where the cutoff is (i.e. be useful) instead of just being blank. Thanks all, - Jarry1250 Deliberation needed 17:47, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Can someone check out my submissions page for my first entry and make sure I did it right, please? The toolserver url doesn't seem to be working (I'm getting a 504 Gateway Timeout) and I don't know if it's my fault or not. Also, it's an ITN submission and I didn't nominate it, but I did rewrite the blurbline and make all the updates to the relevant articles with refs. Thanks, Matthewedwards : Chat 21:09, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Any chance I could still get in? I just returned to Wikipedia after a long hiatus and saw the bot messages on my talk page. Apparently, registration just closed 2 days ago, so I thought I'd see if I could squeak in. If not, no big deal.
Thanks, ThaddeusB ( talk) 05:48, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Needs updating, I think? - Jarry1250 Deliberation needed 11:38, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
What happens in the event of a tie for the last qualifying spot(s)? Do all such competitors move on even if that means more than 64 go through? -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 02:51, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi! If I would promote an article I promoted to GA in Round 1 to GA in the same round- - Would I lose points for the GA promotion, or would I keep both points for the GA and FA promotion? -- Khanassassin ☪ 16:31, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Hope you all are aware of this. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 05:41, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
As of right now, I'm definitely on the bubble as it were with my ten points ( [1]). My question is, right now I have a pending DYK nomination at Template:Did you know nominations/Undercover: Operation Wintersun. Would there be any way to receive credit for it now if it gets approved before the end of the month but doesn't go up on the main page? I'd very much like to stay in this competition. Nomader ( talk) 00:06, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Could someone please update the way the talk page is archived? Currently the bot is dumping archived threads into Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Archive/2011/4, which I think should be WT:WikiCup/Archive/2012/1. However, I don't know how to go about making this change. The template at the top of the page also needs to be updated to show the new year (I can do this, but the judges probably understand the archive bot better than I do, since I've never used it!). Dana boomer ( talk) 16:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Is round 1 over? I know it might be a dumb question, but the top of the project page states that round 1 was suppose to end on the 26th. However, no changes have been made. I just had a GA pass today and I'm not sure what to do. I don't want to add it since I think I can claim it in round 2 since it passed after round 1 ended. I don't need the points, as of this moment, to get to round 2 and don't want them to be wasted in a round I've already advanced pass, not trying to be pushy is this is just a time constraint for the judges, I just want to be sure that everything I'm doing is on the up and up. Thanks,-- Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 21:48, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
I created the Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2012/Round 1 list. If anything is not according to what it should be please change it accordingly. -- Stone ( talk) 22:12, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Timing did not cooperate with me this year. I have been working on several articles (including one currently listed at GAN) and spending a lot of time on Commons lately. While I will not be winning the Cup this year (as if I had a chance!) I look forward to watching the competition and seeing the results of participants' labor. Best of luck! -- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:32, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Ok, we are left with 6 user on 10 points, but only one of them will be able to make it through. The tiebreaker is simple- I am asking for any of those tied to tell me of any additional work that they have done that may be deserving of recognition. Examples of this include articles upon which there has not been significant work this year passing during the round, articles upon which work was done in the round passing after the round has finished, review work (perhaps at FAC, PR or something similar) which was not awarded points, or the like. J Milburn ( talk) 22:28, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Anyone willing to review some of the X-Files GA's? Quite a few of my nom's (about 30) have built up for awhile, and I've thoroughly gone through most of them, in the mean time, and checked for prose mistakes. I realize you guys can get some points for reviewing, and they are waiting if you want 'em!-- Gen. Quon ( talk) 17:05, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
I just created a Wikicup Viewer script. It was for myself, so I could take a quick look at the standings on Wikipedia:WikiCup to see who would be passing and failing if the round were to end right now (it's particularly useful starting in Round 2 and subsequent rounds because it indicates who the wildcards are at the moment). The script therefore also makes it clear exactly how many points would be needed for a person to move on to the next round.
At the moment, the script automatically sorts all tables by "Score" (descending), and then color codes every row either green (for "passing"), red (for "failing"), or yellow (for yourself, to show where you stand). The script's colors, the "green" in particular, are also easier on the eyes than the current colors. Please note that if you install the script, early in the rounds you will see most users of the top two groups to be in green; this is because almost everyone has 0 points, so of course the script just takes users starting from the top group as those that will be "passing" on to the next round.
You guys can use it if you want, I just decided to let you guys know about it just in case anyone is interested; just install it like any other script. Gary King ( talk · scripts) 01:35, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
AS I have retired and scrambled the password for my main account, please withdraw that one. Thanks -- HurricaneFan Alt ≈≈ ( bad revert?) 12:45, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
It is not fair that a cup competitor can get credit for dozens of articles, all about one topic, which were nominated by someone else, and not have to do any reviews in return. Doing QPQ reviews is part of the DYK process. Not requiring reviews for nominations of articles by someone else is intended to encourage variety on the main page by including articles on a variety of topics by new users who may be unfamiliar with DYK. That definitely does not include dozens of articles on one topic all by the same person. It is skirting the rules, neglecting obligations, and creating an unfair burden on DYK users who have to review all of those articles which add to the backlog. The rules should be changed so that in order to receive cup credit for a DYK, the competitor should have to do a review, even if someone else nominates their article. This is only fair. Other cup participants do their reviews, so someone who avoids having to do it is gaming the system, getting an unfair advantage, and only doing part of what they should be doing. 159.83.4.153 ( talk) 01:12, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
I think I am the subject of this discussion. I write and improve articles. That's what I do on wikipedia. If other people nominate them for DYK that's fine by me. I have never asked anyone to nominate articles on my behalf. I am not "gaming" anything. I entered wikicup in late January because I was told about it and it sounded like fun. If there is a feeling that I am spoiling things I will be happy to withdraw from the competition. Tigerboy1966 00:23, 11 March 2012 (UTC)