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For next year, I suggest removing DYKs from the contest. Including it encourages people to start articles that are not really needed, instead of working on important stubs and start articles that need improvement. Also, I think that people get a whole lot more points for an FA than for work on pictures, sounds and other items that are not nearly as time-consuming? -- Ssilvers ( talk) 19:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
I had actually thought of that as well, but Geraldk beat me to it. Not to put down people who work on less-popular topics (I do it too), but the focus should always be on WP:Vital articles and other highly visible pages. These very important or broad topics, or those with over ~1000 hits a day http://stats.grok.se/, should be worth double or even triple points. Also, these are some of the most difficult articles to improve because they are so broad, so contributors deserve extra incentive and contest points. Reywas92 Talk 23:20, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be an odd number of judges in case of a split decision. Most panels of judges are composed of odd numbers.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 20:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
I have created this page for discussion of the scoring- hopefully we can have all the necessary discussions before the competition begins. Suggestions/discussion welcome on the talk page. The current rules are on the page as I write this, as understood by myself and iMatthew. They will be subject to change, pending talk page discussion. J Milburn ( talk) 00:06, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
How would people feel about taking in donations to set up an actual prize or prize money. It won't be much, but it might be nice if the winner got something more than a jpeg on their user space. Thoughts? Remember ( talk) 17:32, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I agree with J Milbrun. This is an event where anyone can join to have fun. By offering prizes, it'll lose is specialty and turn a fun event into a competitive sport. Also, I don't feel comfortable with Wikipedia offering real prizes. Secret Saturdays ( talk) 03:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Don't we already have a bounty board to serve that purpose? Dabomb87 ( talk) 01:02, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
I believe we should create a page that talks about the rules of the WikiCup, to make newcomers at this understand what to do and to raise interest in the WikiCup. Secret Saturdays ( talk) 00:33, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
The pages under Wikipedia:WikiCup could use a clear naming convention :) Suggestions:
+sj + 09:37, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Hey J, G, E. I'm too lazy to go to your talk pages. What's a good time to chat tomorrow, if everyone's around? iMatthew talk at 17:57, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Editors under restriction should not be eligible for Wikicup. Bobanni ( talk) 00:38, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Has there been any thought of having satellite contests around the wikicup? The infrastructure needed for gathering, tracking, reviewing, and scoring submissions varies a bit from project to project, but a lot of the overhead seems to have some similarities... from registration (and possibly chosen teams or tracks) to a way to actively submit entries to tabular listing of rankings. The contests I recall fondly are old article contests Danny set up and two media contests I worked on around older Wikimanias, and it would have helped all of these to be part of an annual schedule of contests.
We are just starting an article-writing contest on the Swahili Wikipedia (see below), and the process and amount of template-use involved is unfamiliar to both the participants and most local admins. There was also interest in taking part in some casual cross-language contest, either organized around a shared date (like the wettbewerb was once, I believe) or in some more connected way.
+sj
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02:35, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
We're trying out a six-week article-writing contest on the Swahili Wikipedia -- and have a *lot* more turnout than expected (800 registrations so far). Google helped promote the event, organized afternoon-long workshops at two universities, and donated a number of serious prizes. I'd love it if people familiar with this process could help out there (see below), but wonder more generally about organizing a better network of contests.
Help from people who have worked on or closely observed the WikiCup would be appreciated, in English would be normal though Swahili familiarity is a bonus. Two of the organizers are native Sw writers, but many of the active editors there are not, and we mainly need need a lot of template and categorization and process help (including properly welcoming participants so that they know how to properly take part, and guiding judges on implementing a simple judging protocol). Participants tend to be bilingual, and the contest rules were initially developed in English -- as much as that galls me! -- as both the Nairobi Google office and half of the interested sw:wp editors were more comfortable working on large blocks of text in En.
The central purpose of the contest is to attract more interested swahili speakers, and short articles on articles that are of interest to students, to help get the swahili-fluent community past the tipping point of. +sj + 02:38, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm asking this question because if they can, I might sign up for the WikiCup next year as an IP. Secret Saturdays ( talk to me) 01:50, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Does the scoring for featured topics need to be a fresh nomination, or simply inclusion in a FT? I ask because I've already authored/added 30 Rock (season 3) to the topic Seasons of 30 Rock, but I'm also working on 30 Rock (season 4) and will try to FLC it eventually once the season has completed. Taking that as an example, if 30 Rock (season 4) was confirmed as a FL would I get 40 points just for the FL, or 55 points (40 + 15 for a featured topic entry)? Note that season 4 is already in the topic as a peer reviewed list, so it wouldn't even have a supplementary nom. Staxringold talk contribs 04:25, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
This schedule has been agreed upon by myself and Garden thus far, and I'd like to bring it here to hear any comments or suggestions you guys have about it. Note that the rounds end before the month ends: this is to allow the judges a few days to close everything and prepare for the next round.
iMatthew talk at 21:56, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
The top 1 in each pool, as well as 8 wildcards (16 total) will move on. you meant top 2? Nergaal ( talk) 22:59, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
For next year, I suggest removing DYKs from the contest. Including it encourages people to start articles that are not really needed, instead of working on important stubs and start articles that need improvement. Also, I think that people get a whole lot more points for an FA than for work on pictures, sounds and other items that are not nearly as time-consuming? -- Ssilvers ( talk) 19:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
I had actually thought of that as well, but Geraldk beat me to it. Not to put down people who work on less-popular topics (I do it too), but the focus should always be on WP:Vital articles and other highly visible pages. These very important or broad topics, or those with over ~1000 hits a day http://stats.grok.se/, should be worth double or even triple points. Also, these are some of the most difficult articles to improve because they are so broad, so contributors deserve extra incentive and contest points. Reywas92 Talk 23:20, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be an odd number of judges in case of a split decision. Most panels of judges are composed of odd numbers.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 20:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
I have created this page for discussion of the scoring- hopefully we can have all the necessary discussions before the competition begins. Suggestions/discussion welcome on the talk page. The current rules are on the page as I write this, as understood by myself and iMatthew. They will be subject to change, pending talk page discussion. J Milburn ( talk) 00:06, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
How would people feel about taking in donations to set up an actual prize or prize money. It won't be much, but it might be nice if the winner got something more than a jpeg on their user space. Thoughts? Remember ( talk) 17:32, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I agree with J Milbrun. This is an event where anyone can join to have fun. By offering prizes, it'll lose is specialty and turn a fun event into a competitive sport. Also, I don't feel comfortable with Wikipedia offering real prizes. Secret Saturdays ( talk) 03:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Don't we already have a bounty board to serve that purpose? Dabomb87 ( talk) 01:02, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
I believe we should create a page that talks about the rules of the WikiCup, to make newcomers at this understand what to do and to raise interest in the WikiCup. Secret Saturdays ( talk) 00:33, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
The pages under Wikipedia:WikiCup could use a clear naming convention :) Suggestions:
+sj + 09:37, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Hey J, G, E. I'm too lazy to go to your talk pages. What's a good time to chat tomorrow, if everyone's around? iMatthew talk at 17:57, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Editors under restriction should not be eligible for Wikicup. Bobanni ( talk) 00:38, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Has there been any thought of having satellite contests around the wikicup? The infrastructure needed for gathering, tracking, reviewing, and scoring submissions varies a bit from project to project, but a lot of the overhead seems to have some similarities... from registration (and possibly chosen teams or tracks) to a way to actively submit entries to tabular listing of rankings. The contests I recall fondly are old article contests Danny set up and two media contests I worked on around older Wikimanias, and it would have helped all of these to be part of an annual schedule of contests.
We are just starting an article-writing contest on the Swahili Wikipedia (see below), and the process and amount of template-use involved is unfamiliar to both the participants and most local admins. There was also interest in taking part in some casual cross-language contest, either organized around a shared date (like the wettbewerb was once, I believe) or in some more connected way.
+sj
+
02:35, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
We're trying out a six-week article-writing contest on the Swahili Wikipedia -- and have a *lot* more turnout than expected (800 registrations so far). Google helped promote the event, organized afternoon-long workshops at two universities, and donated a number of serious prizes. I'd love it if people familiar with this process could help out there (see below), but wonder more generally about organizing a better network of contests.
Help from people who have worked on or closely observed the WikiCup would be appreciated, in English would be normal though Swahili familiarity is a bonus. Two of the organizers are native Sw writers, but many of the active editors there are not, and we mainly need need a lot of template and categorization and process help (including properly welcoming participants so that they know how to properly take part, and guiding judges on implementing a simple judging protocol). Participants tend to be bilingual, and the contest rules were initially developed in English -- as much as that galls me! -- as both the Nairobi Google office and half of the interested sw:wp editors were more comfortable working on large blocks of text in En.
The central purpose of the contest is to attract more interested swahili speakers, and short articles on articles that are of interest to students, to help get the swahili-fluent community past the tipping point of. +sj + 02:38, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm asking this question because if they can, I might sign up for the WikiCup next year as an IP. Secret Saturdays ( talk to me) 01:50, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Does the scoring for featured topics need to be a fresh nomination, or simply inclusion in a FT? I ask because I've already authored/added 30 Rock (season 3) to the topic Seasons of 30 Rock, but I'm also working on 30 Rock (season 4) and will try to FLC it eventually once the season has completed. Taking that as an example, if 30 Rock (season 4) was confirmed as a FL would I get 40 points just for the FL, or 55 points (40 + 15 for a featured topic entry)? Note that season 4 is already in the topic as a peer reviewed list, so it wouldn't even have a supplementary nom. Staxringold talk contribs 04:25, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
This schedule has been agreed upon by myself and Garden thus far, and I'd like to bring it here to hear any comments or suggestions you guys have about it. Note that the rounds end before the month ends: this is to allow the judges a few days to close everything and prepare for the next round.
iMatthew talk at 21:56, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
The top 1 in each pool, as well as 8 wildcards (16 total) will move on. you meant top 2? Nergaal ( talk) 22:59, 5 December 2009 (UTC)