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She was an influential writer. Interstellarity ( talk) 13:26, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Émilie du Châtelet would also be interesting addition. -- Thi ( talk) 09:58, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
Suggested as the most vital businessman not listed. Interstellarity ( talk) 14:27, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
This guy was even suggested to be added on the level 3 (
here). From the article on
Goethe: Ralph Waldo Emerson selected Goethe as one of six "representative men" in his work of the same name (along with Plato, Emanuel Swedenborg, Montaigne, Napoleon, and Shakespeare).
He and Nobel are probably outstanding Swedishes of all time. We are under quota but if someone has ideas on swap I can support.
These two people played an important role in shaping the European Union. Interstellarity ( talk) 18:06, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
He's influential since he signed a peace treaty with Egypt to normalize relations with Israel. Interstellarity ( talk) 16:25, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
This person has been influential especially with a pyramid named after him. Interstellarity ( talk) 13:11, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
She founded the Red Cross which is influential to this day. Interstellarity ( talk) 13:15, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Important activist. Interstellarity ( talk) 13:48, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Surprised he's not on here especially since the first heart transplant was credited to him. Interstellarity ( talk) 13:21, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Important pediatrician. Interstellarity ( talk) 13:48, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
He is considered one of the best American football players of all time. I'm surprised he's not listed. Interstellarity ( talk) 20:13, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Obscure football player. Not vital at this level. Interstellarity ( talk) 22:21, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Lombardi is probably considered notable for coaching rather than playing. p b p 22:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Possible addition for this one as suggested by Thi. Will remain neutral on this one. Interstellarity ( talk) 22:21, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Basic topic in encyclopedia, compare with Library. "Archival records serve to strengthen collective memory and protect people’s rights, property, and identity." [5]
I would have assumed I would find it among 10,000 topics.
Per previous discussions about Aoraki, Kościuszko is not vital enough for this level. It is vital just as Puncak Jaya and Aoraki. I do not think we need to list all moutains from Seven summits at this level if there are other slightly more notable. I think Mount Kościuszko could remain if we would not have Great Victoria Desert at this level. Cotopaxi is the only famous Volcano which is higher than Kilimanjaro, I could be neutral on straight addition but prefer swap. Dawid2009 ( talk) 13:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
It's a UNESCO World Heritage Site, can't believe it's not on the list already
Because it is the largest freshwater lake in Japan, and many Japanese literary works mention it, it is no doubt vital at this level.
Probably the most important Polynesian island (not counting New Zealand or Hawaii). C933103 ( talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Important topic in geography and history.
The Brooklyn discussion above is half a year old, and while it's likely going to fail I might as well revitalize it by also proposing Manhattan. My comments about it are similar to those about Brooklyn above; while it's somewhat controversial given our listing of New York City at level 3, NYC's sheer dominance among the world's cities makes it so that such redundancy is okay at level 4 IMO, especially since Brooklyn and Manhattan are each alone more "objectively important" than the listed Nashville, Tennessee, and Charlotte, North Carolina. The reason I didn't propose Manhattan back then is because I felt (and feel) that it is more redundant to NYC as a whole than Brooklyn is, especially since we're already 1 over quota both overall and in geography. Nevertheless, it would be rather silly for a list to include Brooklyn but not Manhattan, and while the latter to a much larger extent "is" New York City, it is thereby more important in its own right with such terms as Manhattanhenge, Manhattanization, and the mathematical " Manhattan metric". All told, I feel that Manhattan should not be at mere level 5, and even if this doesn't pass it's still worth discussion. – John M Wolfson ( talk • contribs) 23:42, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Because this city played a crucial role in Greek mythology, it ought to be included here.
Lianyungang is one of the rather significant port of trade in Northern China. It would seems more important than the coal-mining city of Taiyuan. C933103 ( talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Yiwu is China's main town of exporting the wide variety of variety items to the world nowadays. I think the importance of these role warrant its inclusion on the list, more than Hefei which do not have specific economic characteristical strength. C933103 ( talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Unlike Shijiazhuang's lack of development, Wenzhou have been famous for its economy, its specific culture, and its language, that make it stand out from other cities in the list, thus I think it would warrant inclusion in the list more than Shijiazhuang. C933103 ( talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
While Nanning is the economically most powerful city in the area, the area is widely known for tourism and Guilin is the central destination to tourists, both domestic and overseas, and have earned much praise from travelers across the world, and is thus probably a more appropriate choice to be included in the list. C933103 ( talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Siyi is a collection of nearby towns known for its worldwide influence through the spread of their decedent across the world. In contrast, Hefei seems to fell short in term of its international influence. C933103 ( talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
The most important city in Southern Kyushu. C933103 ( talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Historically Japan's hub to interact with other East Asian countries, and and was also a key military city. C933103 ( talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Vital concept in psychology, culture and history of religion.
Popular literary genre. Many literary mainstream books are also historical fiction (Hilary Mantel).
I think that the study of music is clearly a vital topic at this level.
The djembe is obviously an important instrument from Africa, but I don't know if it's more important than the timpani which serves as the most important drum in Western art music by a wide margin. While both are drums (another Level 4 article), the pitched nature of the timpani differentiates it enough from the largely unpitched instrument classification. This would also keep it in line with the standard orchestral instruments (flute, oboe, bassoon, clarinet, trumpet, horn, trombone, tuba, and the string section) being listed. The orchestral percussion section is divided into the pitched mallet percussion (e.g., the xylophone), non-pitched percussion (e.g., the snare drum, cymbals, etc.), and the timpani, so it needs to be listed. Why? I Ask ( talk) 06:25, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
I think it's as important as Landscape painting, which we list at this level.
Important concept in painting and art history.
Very famous exemplars in art history such as Bust of Nefertiti. Art history books typically present ancient Egyptian art and it has influenced European art and architecture.
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 65 | ← | Archive 69 | Archive 70 | Archive 71 | Archive 72 | Archive 73 | → | Archive 75 |
She was an influential writer. Interstellarity ( talk) 13:26, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Émilie du Châtelet would also be interesting addition. -- Thi ( talk) 09:58, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
Suggested as the most vital businessman not listed. Interstellarity ( talk) 14:27, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
This guy was even suggested to be added on the level 3 (
here). From the article on
Goethe: Ralph Waldo Emerson selected Goethe as one of six "representative men" in his work of the same name (along with Plato, Emanuel Swedenborg, Montaigne, Napoleon, and Shakespeare).
He and Nobel are probably outstanding Swedishes of all time. We are under quota but if someone has ideas on swap I can support.
These two people played an important role in shaping the European Union. Interstellarity ( talk) 18:06, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
He's influential since he signed a peace treaty with Egypt to normalize relations with Israel. Interstellarity ( talk) 16:25, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
This person has been influential especially with a pyramid named after him. Interstellarity ( talk) 13:11, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
She founded the Red Cross which is influential to this day. Interstellarity ( talk) 13:15, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Important activist. Interstellarity ( talk) 13:48, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Surprised he's not on here especially since the first heart transplant was credited to him. Interstellarity ( talk) 13:21, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Important pediatrician. Interstellarity ( talk) 13:48, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
He is considered one of the best American football players of all time. I'm surprised he's not listed. Interstellarity ( talk) 20:13, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Obscure football player. Not vital at this level. Interstellarity ( talk) 22:21, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Lombardi is probably considered notable for coaching rather than playing. p b p 22:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Possible addition for this one as suggested by Thi. Will remain neutral on this one. Interstellarity ( talk) 22:21, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Basic topic in encyclopedia, compare with Library. "Archival records serve to strengthen collective memory and protect people’s rights, property, and identity." [5]
I would have assumed I would find it among 10,000 topics.
Per previous discussions about Aoraki, Kościuszko is not vital enough for this level. It is vital just as Puncak Jaya and Aoraki. I do not think we need to list all moutains from Seven summits at this level if there are other slightly more notable. I think Mount Kościuszko could remain if we would not have Great Victoria Desert at this level. Cotopaxi is the only famous Volcano which is higher than Kilimanjaro, I could be neutral on straight addition but prefer swap. Dawid2009 ( talk) 13:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
It's a UNESCO World Heritage Site, can't believe it's not on the list already
Because it is the largest freshwater lake in Japan, and many Japanese literary works mention it, it is no doubt vital at this level.
Probably the most important Polynesian island (not counting New Zealand or Hawaii). C933103 ( talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Important topic in geography and history.
The Brooklyn discussion above is half a year old, and while it's likely going to fail I might as well revitalize it by also proposing Manhattan. My comments about it are similar to those about Brooklyn above; while it's somewhat controversial given our listing of New York City at level 3, NYC's sheer dominance among the world's cities makes it so that such redundancy is okay at level 4 IMO, especially since Brooklyn and Manhattan are each alone more "objectively important" than the listed Nashville, Tennessee, and Charlotte, North Carolina. The reason I didn't propose Manhattan back then is because I felt (and feel) that it is more redundant to NYC as a whole than Brooklyn is, especially since we're already 1 over quota both overall and in geography. Nevertheless, it would be rather silly for a list to include Brooklyn but not Manhattan, and while the latter to a much larger extent "is" New York City, it is thereby more important in its own right with such terms as Manhattanhenge, Manhattanization, and the mathematical " Manhattan metric". All told, I feel that Manhattan should not be at mere level 5, and even if this doesn't pass it's still worth discussion. – John M Wolfson ( talk • contribs) 23:42, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Because this city played a crucial role in Greek mythology, it ought to be included here.
Lianyungang is one of the rather significant port of trade in Northern China. It would seems more important than the coal-mining city of Taiyuan. C933103 ( talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Yiwu is China's main town of exporting the wide variety of variety items to the world nowadays. I think the importance of these role warrant its inclusion on the list, more than Hefei which do not have specific economic characteristical strength. C933103 ( talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Unlike Shijiazhuang's lack of development, Wenzhou have been famous for its economy, its specific culture, and its language, that make it stand out from other cities in the list, thus I think it would warrant inclusion in the list more than Shijiazhuang. C933103 ( talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
While Nanning is the economically most powerful city in the area, the area is widely known for tourism and Guilin is the central destination to tourists, both domestic and overseas, and have earned much praise from travelers across the world, and is thus probably a more appropriate choice to be included in the list. C933103 ( talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Siyi is a collection of nearby towns known for its worldwide influence through the spread of their decedent across the world. In contrast, Hefei seems to fell short in term of its international influence. C933103 ( talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
The most important city in Southern Kyushu. C933103 ( talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Historically Japan's hub to interact with other East Asian countries, and and was also a key military city. C933103 ( talk) 01:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Vital concept in psychology, culture and history of religion.
Popular literary genre. Many literary mainstream books are also historical fiction (Hilary Mantel).
I think that the study of music is clearly a vital topic at this level.
The djembe is obviously an important instrument from Africa, but I don't know if it's more important than the timpani which serves as the most important drum in Western art music by a wide margin. While both are drums (another Level 4 article), the pitched nature of the timpani differentiates it enough from the largely unpitched instrument classification. This would also keep it in line with the standard orchestral instruments (flute, oboe, bassoon, clarinet, trumpet, horn, trombone, tuba, and the string section) being listed. The orchestral percussion section is divided into the pitched mallet percussion (e.g., the xylophone), non-pitched percussion (e.g., the snare drum, cymbals, etc.), and the timpani, so it needs to be listed. Why? I Ask ( talk) 06:25, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
I think it's as important as Landscape painting, which we list at this level.
Important concept in painting and art history.
Very famous exemplars in art history such as Bust of Nefertiti. Art history books typically present ancient Egyptian art and it has influenced European art and architecture.