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A man who was vital in designing the St. Peter's Basilica.
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Neutral not sure; seems about as vital as others on this list but GuzzyG's point is a good one. J 947 ( c), at 05:07, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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We clearly have too many (four) French-language musicians. We list none Italian-language musicians (I mean better option would be 2 French representants vs 0 Italian than 4 French vs 0 Italian) despite fact Italian music recently also is popular and have quite notable personalities. Four French musicians maybe would be enough for French Wikipedia or Wikimedia list but certainly not for English Wikipedia because of there are a lot of notable English-language musicians who are missed at this level. I think that French Brigitte Bardot would be reasonable swap with Serge Gainsbourg. Brigitte Bardot was model and actor. She was symbol of sexapil in 50's and 60's. She also is much more notable than Isabelle Adjani who is already on the list. Gainsbourg when was trying to be more notable and popular, has used Bardot's reputation to promote his the most important song Je t'aime... moi non plus.
These two people are not representants for the same categry but some time go there were discussion to swap Luciana Aymar with Sequoyah so I have made speciffic nomination for swapping.
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Mayer has a claim of being the most powerful man in Hollywood during his time. MGM was more vital then paramount. Mayer has greater vitality then Goldwyn and is more important to film history.
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Based on discussion above: alternative suggestion. If we remove Eusebio and Michel Platini both it will be it will clear enough from context that Mia Hamm and Lev Yashin are on the list only due to fact that Mia Hamm is Woman and Lev Yashin is goalkeeper. It will be not insultoing for anyone from UK. In that case on the list among players who never won World Cup we will have only: Johan Cruyff, Ferenc Puskas, Di Stefano, Lionel Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo. These five players are the only players who for sure deserve for inclusion despite fact that they never won world cup because of: 1Cruyff has been regarted as: "Greates European player of the century" 2Puskas, Di Stefano, Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are the only players in history who have been played on world-class level after 30 year old age. They had extremly long time best peak at his career. Pele Dawid2009 ( talk) 16:36, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
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Low population relative to other cities we list (most Level 4 cities have at least a population of 1 million or so), and there is also nothing internationally significant about the city (such as being a national capital or listed as a GaWC world city) that warrants Dire Dawa to be listed at this level. We don't list more significant cities such as Austin, Texas or Dongguan. Reader interest is also low: Dire Dawa is one of the least viewed Level 4 geography articles.
I guess people wanted Ethiopia, a country of over 100 million people, to have more than one city? Carl wev 15:42, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
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It is basically a silent film with few moments of synchronized sound. Level 5 seems better place for this film.
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I don't think we can doubt the great difference in importance here.
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At this level, I don't think shyness adds anything more than what's already discussed in the extroversion and introversion and anxiety articles, both of which are listed and are the technical terms used in psychology. Gizza ( t)( c) 23:59, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
I feel like intrapersonal relation articles are more important than the current representation here. I believe this is another attempt to remove articles from this section with its overflowing quota, which was what I tried to do above too. However I believe the best way to go is to move the quota here up again. Anyways I sympathise with your arguments Gizza and it is fairly weak in this list. Overall I don't have a proper opinion here, so neutral. J 947 ( c), at 02:17, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
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The quota is full and the other listed radio program, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, is more famous.
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It is identical to Lever.
The two machines aren't completely identical, because you push the "lever" in different directions, but the formulas are identical. The two machines take the same effort to elevate an object. wumbolo ^^^ 20:36, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
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Political reformer who inspired and led Hungary’s struggle for independence from Austria. (Britannica)
Only if he's swapped with Sándor Petőfi two figures on a relatively small country and it's revolution seems over the top. GuzzyG ( talk) 11:39, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
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A fundamental topic in historiography.
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Two most famous poetic works of Ludovico Ariosto and Torquato Tasso, who are not listed in the People section. Ariosto is called the greatest Italian poet after Dante. "[Tasso's] work was widely translated and adapted, and until the beginning of the 20th century, he remained one of the most widely read poets in Europe."
We are well over quota at this section. When we have Great Pyramid of Giza at the level 3, probably we should include Giza pyramid complex ahead of them
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We list every other extant species in the Panthera genus.
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History of sport describes human activity for thousands years. This is more vital article than any random top important sport-person ( James Naismith, Muhammad Ali, Jesse Owens etc.) and more vital than any random historical game ( senet, pachisi etc.).
Game studies are more vital than Sport studies (like Wikipedia's own statistics shows) so if we decide to add History of sport, history of games most obviously should be already listed. Games historically had traditional, religional, and philosophical importance.
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What makes rupee more important than peso, franc, or dinar?
The article is the generic rupee, article about all past and present currencies with that name, or widely similar names, it is not the article on Indian rupee which would make sense to include, if anything. For example we do not list the articles for generic dollar or Pound (currency). Carl wev 13:49, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
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Hypericum is a genus of 500 flowering plants in the Malpighiales order that is commonly referred to as St. John's wort. These plants are found in practically every temperate region of earth, and every continent aside from Antarctica. There are several dozen cultivars and ornamental plants in the genus that are grown in moderate for their large, yellow flowers. In addition, many of the species in the genus, especially its type species Hypericum perforatum, have been and still are used in folk medicine as well as to treat mild depression, and the essential oils extracted Hypericum species have made the genus grow in popularity over the last decade.
The article is comparable in importance to many of the other non-monocot plant articles included, and if it were required that an article be removed to make room, I would argue that having nine articles in the Asteraceae not including itself, none of which are Level 3 articles, is somewhat overkill. However, the Biological and health sciences section is still five articles below its target, and I believe this article is a worthy inclusion to bring that number one closer.
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The quota is over in Philosophy and religion section. This article lists spiritual practices in different religions. Meditation, prayer and other activities are already listed. This article is probably not vital and necessary at this level.
The article is similar to spirituality but if we list performance art despite fact we have performing art on higher level we should keep spiritual practice too. Dawid2009 ( talk) 14:52, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
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We generally list the most general articles over more specific articles at higher levels. Hay is a type of fodder, and fodder is a type of animal feed, so I think animal feed is the article we should list at this level.
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Ignacy Łukasiewicz is weakest inventor at this level and maybe generally weakest scienciefists. This Polish man for sure is not worth being at this list. Ludwik Łazarz Zamenhorf is a social scientist and this Pole is considered the father of Esperanto language so in my opinion he would be good choice to be replaced with Łukasiewicz.
Slovakian Juraj Janosik is not less known in Poland than this Łukasiewicz and even Janosik likely is not nearly vital at this level (we even do not list Slovakian language). And BTW on that basic I think that we nodoubtly have too few languages at society and far too many articles relted with education at society. Whad do you think?
Neutral. Zamenhof posted the first and most widely known attempt to make a global language, and is a fairly well known figure in terms of this list. Łukasiewicz created many well known things (modern kerosene lamp, modern street lamp, in general many things related with oil, so that means things in a now growing and controversial industry...). I'm even going to say he's the Edison of oil. Both the opposing arguments that make me fall here can be found in other's comments. In general I'm really not sure at all about either of them, so neutral is my position at least for now. J 947 ( c), at 02:57, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
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Syracuse was one of the two most prominent Greek colonies in the Italian Peninsula.
it equaled Athens in size during the fifth century BC... Yep. J 947 ( c), at 18:14, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
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General article, more vital than Wikipedia which listed at society section.
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Gabin is legitimately one of the key actors in french film history. Marais is known mainly for his connection to Cocteau; big difference in vitality. Gabins in more wikidata languages too.
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The Catcher in the Rye is Salinger's only important work.
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We are at the limit basically and i am proposing a swap. Now that we are adding Constable; Gainsborough is no longer necessary, he's not really super influential or super vital to worldwide art history. Alberti on the other hand is seen to have "epitomised the Renaissance Man" ideal; a very important architect and mathematician.
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We already list the "Big Three" of science fiction, Ray Bradbury and Philip K. Dick.
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Pynchon is primarily known for a single novel.
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Also Kurt Vonnegut and Thomas Pynchon wrote psychedelic social satires. They were better prose stylists and Dick had to write his novels quickly.
I'll put my reply here, so we don't clog up the nomination and so we can discuss it further if need be.
Those are the only problems in the modern American literature section in my opinion. I think we should aim for 250 or even 240 writers as a whole, i just can't see writers being 100 articles more notable then art/music. GuzzyG ( talk) 16:44, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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Cleary one of the most notable playwrights of the 20th century. [5] "He wrote several award-winning plays, including The Glass Menagerie, A Streetcar Named Desire, and Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. Known for gritty characters and heartbreaking themes, these plays combined poetic language with dramatic flair and are recognized today as American classics." [6]
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Nobel author. Good representative of modern French literature. As the Los Angeles Review of Books says: "Modiano writes short, easy-to-read novels with big themes: memory, loss, identity, seeking. They are easily approachable and satisfying to read." [7] "If one studies French literature, one can't avoid Modiano." [8]
I think we have too many French writers already and more important Nobel writers like Eugene O'Neill, Ivo Andrić, Dario Fo, Giorgos Seferis, Miguel Ángel Asturias and Halldór Laxness are missing. But i'm open to what other people think. GuzzyG ( talk) 09:38, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
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Like I said in my above comment, we have too many French-language musicans. French Rene Goscinny is good option to be replaced with Jacques Brel because of we have too few comic writers (comics are listed at the level 3 and the comics do not have dedicated category for people at the level 4 so it is not fair while some fields such like latin music have their own categories for people here). We also list Asteriks while it is not the only notable Goscinny's work. Very important Goscinny's works is Le Petit Nicolas because of it is consider as "National French Fairly Tale" (Le Peitit Nicolas for French, it is something like Pippi Longstocking for Swedish or Pinocchio for Italian). Another important his work is also Lucky Luke which has been translated into various languages.
These two people are not representants for the same category but some time go there were discussion to swap Luciana Aymar with Sequoyah so I have made specific nomination for swapping.
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One of the most influential Chinese religious figures of all time.
He's not listed because the book he wrote is, just for clarification. GuzzyG ( talk) 08:48, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
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I think that Donald Trump's Wikipedia article should be a Level 4 Vital Importance article, since he is the current US president, a multi-billionaire, and has already enacted numerous policies that have a large effect on the United States. It is currently only Level 5 Importance, but there are many Level 4 Importance articles that are much less known and aren't on issues that have as much of an impact as Trump. BobRoberts14 ( talk) 20:17, 13 June 2019 (UTC)BobRoberts14
Historical importance has nothing to do with being the current leader of a country, being a multi billionaire and being famous. What has he done to change history? In your original thread on the Trump page itself, you compared him with Adi Shankara, if you can't tell the difference between someone who "He is credited with unifying and establishing the main currents of thought in Hinduism" and Trump himself, then i can't help you. There's so many people missing from this list like Peter Abelard, Roger Bacon, Giordano Bruno and Ernst Chladni for example, who have had more of a impact on the world then a current politician. GuzzyG ( talk) 20:36, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Ok let's dissect the people i have linked;
Adi Shankara: "consolidated the doctrine of Advaita Vedanta. He is credited with unifying and establishing the main currents of thought in Hinduism."
Peter Abelard: Britannica says "best known for his solution of the problem of universals and for his original use of dialectics." other sites "He is known as the finest academic brain of 12th century by a number of historians." "was the preeminent philosopher of the twelfth century and perhaps the greatest logician of the middle ages. During his life he was equally famous as a poet and a composer, and might also have ranked as the preeminent theologian of his day had his ideas earned more converts and less condemnation."
Roger Bacon: "He was the first European to describe in detail the process of making gunpowder, and he proposed flying machines and motorized ships and carriages. Bacon (as he himself complacently remarked) displayed a prodigious energy and zeal in the pursuit of experimental science; indeed, his studies were talked about everywhere and eventually won him a place in popular literature as a kind of wonder worker."
"His linguistic work has been heralded for its early exposition of a universal grammar.
"He is sometimes credited (mainly since the 19th century) as one of the earliest European advocates of the modern scientific method inspired by Aristotle and by Alhazen"
"whose theories anticipated modern science. The most notable of these were his theories of the infinite universe and the multiplicity of worlds, in which he rejected the traditional geocentric (Earth-centred) astronomy and intuitively went beyond the Copernican heliocentric (Sun-centred) theory,"
"Bruno proposed versions of metempsychosis, polygenism, panpsychism and, renouncing Christian emphases on human imperfection, advocated a morality that exhorted individuals to perfect their intellectual powers."
Ernst Chladni: " father of acoustics, included research on vibrating plates and the calculation of the speed of sound for different gases. He also undertook pioneering work in the study of meteorites and is regarded by some as the father of meteoritics." "pioneers of experimental acoustics. His research on different kinds of vibrations served as the basis for the scientific understanding of sound that later emerged in the 19th century. "
If you cannot understand how these people have had more of a overall effect on history then Trump, then i do not what to say. Pure recentism. Most of the presidents not listed like Bill Clinton have done more. This isn't just fame, it's importance. Comparing Alain Delon in the other thread you started who is one of the most dominant European actors to a American politician is false equivalency, compare another American politician to Trump if you have to but also argue why Trump is more important then figures like Jefferson Davis and if you say both should be listed; then argue why American politicians deserve more representatives the Roman leaders who had a much longer and important role then America has had so far on history. GuzzyG ( talk) 21:30, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
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Not less vital than Cai Lun because of Cai Lung probably popularised paper just like Ford popularised cars. Dawid2009 ( talk) 07:40, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
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Actually astrology i vital only historically. Astrology was very important for philosophy and religious' of acient people.
People don't seem to like this one, I was reading about the general topic and Archaeoastronomy is another article that caught my eye as maybe better for level four, if not both would definitely be level five. Carl wev 19:28, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
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Neither Cleveland nor Cincinnati have over 400,000 people, but Columbus is creeping up on 900,000 and Illinois is the most important state in the Midwest by far, and IMO the subdivisions section is lacking in terms of the US. Two cities in Ohio and Pennsylvania yet neither are included with Illinois is a stride ahead of them and not included? Anyways, I know Cleveland and Cincinnati are probably more likely to be spoken about, but Columbus does have double the population and is the capital. — J 947 ( c), at 04:42, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Illinois' removal: Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Level/4/Archive_20#Keep_Illinois. J 947 ( c), at 04:46, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
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how is National Palace Museum level 4 and Palace Museum level 5. that doesn't make sense. Viztor ( talk) 12:24, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
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While ago this discussion has been closed and was not touched but I am going to restarted it. If we decide remove physics; number (3) of Aristotele's books still will be plenty. This is vital but unnecesary when we are well-over quota and we even do not include De revolutionibus orbium coelestium.
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Fertility rite (in some foreign Wikipedias describes as: Firtility cult) is extremely foundational/influential concept for various traditions, specifically between winter and spring (for example Easter eggs, Easter Bunny and also Mummers play, Krampus, etc.)
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Idea is enough vital at this level (reasons in section about Imagination)
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Probably not vital at this level.
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Two high-importance articles related to human rights.
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When we list Race (human categorisation) as more subjective terminology of Biological anthropology (which is already on the list), we should consider addition of folk taxonomy. This concept also explain why for example German Wikipedia and Polish Wikipedia intentionally do not have artiles about Elephant or Monkey. It is something useful to knowlage. It should be on the level 4 or level 5 IMO. Dawid2009 ( talk) 12:56, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
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This article covers Walking and Jumping. Possible addition to the level 3 when we have primate there, because of it is essential issue to human evolution.
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Influential Roman comedy writer. His acient wording "I am human, and I think nothing human is alien to me" is nearly known just like Cogito, ergo sum by Descrates. In my opinion he is littly more vital than like Ennius.
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Okay, they are all vital, but because the list does not contain popular types of tea and coffee, these four types of cheese should be removed as well. Besides, there are some vital topics still not included in the level 4 list while it is currently over quota.
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We already list The Call of the Wild. Also, we list too many American authors.
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Dame Kiri te Kanawa is undoubtedly a great singer, and as a New Zealander I am biased in her favour, but not even I could argue that she is one of the 9 greatest opera singers ever.
To replace her, I propose the great German baritone Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, who revolutionised lieder singing, as well as being an acclaimed singer of opera and sacred music. Leonard Bernstein described him as the most significant singer of the 20th century, [9] and others agreed. [10] He was, in Leon Botstein's words, "arguably the most famous, respected, and versatile singer of the second half of the twentieth century." [11] In Germany he was called "Der Jahrhundertsänger", which translates as “singer of the century” or “hundred-year singer" - though it has been said that "neither translation does justice to the air of veneration the term connotes" and that he was "a social phenomenon and a symbol of postwar Germany." [12] We also currently don't have any representative of the lower male voices (baritones, bass-baritones or basses). Neljack ( talk) 10:17, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
"other choices depends on what one likes to emphasize" maybe, which is all the more reason why this swap should pass, considering this is a area of opera singers we do not cover and thus should emphasize, we can't honestly just have 8 opera singers considering it's importance. More Comics people then Opera? GuzzyG ( talk) 11:21, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Thi: Frankly I think Fischer-Dieskau would rank ahead of Sutherland and Pavarotti if you polled critics (FWIW, he came second in a Classic FM poll of critics of the greatest singers of the 20th century). Sutherland has plenty of detractors for her poor diction and limited dramatic ability, while Pavarotti's critical reputation - despite his fame and though undoubtedly a great singer - is not quite at the level of his fellow tenors Domingo and Caruso. Fischer-Dieskau, however, is almost universally acknowledged by critics as one of the most important classical singers of the century. Neljack ( talk) 09:05, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Previous removal nomination for Kanawa here. J 947 's public account 00:03, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
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We certainly should have Pope from Counter-Reformation time. John Wycliffe made similar contributions to
John Calvin so we do not need him on this level when we list so many protestants. When we list so many people who are notable in context
Protestant views on Mary but not
Cult of Mary I think we should list at least Pope from Counter-reformation time who introduced full form of
Hail Mary to
Roman Breviary, for some ballace. Developing Cult of MAry is strongly associated with Counerreformation time,
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Johnny Weissmulller and Duke Kahanamoku had similar career significance. Weissmuller had also impact for Popular Culture and perhaps is even littly more vital but not for this list when we list Tarzan but not Jungle Book (as parent article for for other archetypical feral child: Mowgli) on this level. When we do not list American Talles as general parent article for missed folk heroes whose vitality is more near to Jack the Ripper than American Football people I belive we could swap Weismuller for someone?. Beyond that Duke Kahanamoku is also considered as "Father of Surfing" so if we decide swap eismuller of Kahanamoku we will have figure who was pionnier of sport and we will ecape from overrepresentation of Tarzan.
If problematic fact is that Duke Kanamoku is notable in two sports (Surfing and Swimming) we can eventually move people from Multiple sports to other sections.
Weissmuller was added here. J 947 's public account 00:15, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
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Vital just as Arctic. Antarctica is pair with Arctic ocean; Antarctic is pair with Arctic.
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Andersen was poeth and author. He was one of two major figures in The Danish Golden Age (along with Søren Kierkegaard). His the most famous creations were even showed/used (actually as main topic) for dozen of minutes in documentary film about pscychoanalyse and had significant influence on English literature (especially fiction in Victorian Era). Including his one work to level 4 also is not any western bias because of his fairy tales are more appreciated in Far East and Eastern Europe than in the West nowdays. Article about Tales created by Andersen is list so including one title is better option. If I would have to choose one important Andersen's work I would choose The Little Mermaid. This literary work was inspiation of The Little Mermaid (statue) and according to information in that article is is the most iconic statue along with Manneken Pis, Statue of Liberty, Christ the Redeemer (statue) and Merlion.
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Influential poetic work by Lucretius. "... theories of the atomic structure of matter and the emergence and evolution of life forms – ideas that would eventually form a crucial foundation and background for the development of western science. In addition to his literary and scientific influence, Lucretius has been a major source of inspiration for a wide range of modern philosophers..." (Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy) [13]
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After thinkink about it more it is redundand to Fictional character and we already list several Superheros but we do not list Villain and Supervillain.
@ Thi, LaukkuTheGreit, Susmuffin, GuzzyG, Dimadick, J947, J947 Public, and Purplebackpack89:, I found in the archives contigent that Superhero is part of Stock character and if Zorro was partly influential for Batman, Batman should be removed as well. Most of you were oppose to add stock character and oppose to add superhero. Also most of you were oppose to add Zorro, what do you think about general discussion again? Dawid2009 ( talk) 05:51, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
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Parapsychology is listed among science, UFO Religion is listed among philosophy section on level 5. We need general article about UFO on the level 4 and probably in art section. Extraterrestrials in fiction is vital maybe just like Death (personification) or Ghost (Common fictional creature(s)).
Honestly on the same level as Bigfoot to me, either they both should go in or none. GuzzyG ( talk) 14:05, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
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More vital than Harvest festival and we list on level many less vital topics than Wedding reception (for example games which nowdays are not played but were known centuries ago).
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Redundand to Card game. We do not list other game-related specific thigs like chess piece, chess theory, soccer equipment football formation, bowling (cricket), goalkeeper, Asana, Swimming style. I do not think can be mre vital thing than something like Passport which got removed.
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Important topic for future generation. Something futurable.
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Pretty significant concept in daily life. feminist ( talk) 17:05, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
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Alternative to the cargo nomination above. It's abroader article and is more consistent with the other transport articles that are listed. Rreagan007 ( talk) 18:02, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
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Heraclitus is a very important figure in the context of dialectic, in my opinion he is more essential to history of philosophy than even someone like Ferdinand de Saussure. However I suggest to swap him with Karl Barth, because of we have too many protestants on this list. Karl Barth made similar contribution to Protestantism like John Calvin to Protestantism what John Calvin. We have so many people who are notable in the context of Protestant views on Mary but not Veneration of Mary in the Catholic Church.
I would support this but it needs deciding if Barth had less of a influence on the development of 20th century religion then Billy Graham, Dietrich Bonhoeffer or Desmond Tutu, of which i'd say he might be more notable then all 3. GuzzyG ( talk) 17:45, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
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Peter Abelard was one of the most prominent thinkers of his age. The Chambers Biographical Dictionary described him as "the keenest thinker and boldest theologian of the 12th century". [1] Furthermore, the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy said that "He is, arguably, the greatest logician of the Middle Ages and is equally famous as the first great nominalist philosopher." [2] Abelard was the most respected philosopher of the time and is still considered one of the foremost thinkers of his age. His theological viewpoints were deeply controversial. He was involved in many debates and conflicts with his peers. These disagreements eventually caused him to be temporarily excommunicated by the Catholic Church. [3] He was also known for his correspondence with Héloïse. Their love affair has attracted a considerable amount of attention over the last few centuries. In the period following the French Revolution, they were celebrated as "forerunners of modernity". [4] Honestly, I am surprised that Abelard was not already listed, as he was one of the most influential philosophers and theologians to ever live.
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While John Wycliffe made similar contributions to John Calvin and he is not vital for this level when we list so many protestants. I suggest swap him for Giordano Bruno who was important thinker/philosopher and also critically important figure during scientific revolution. He would fit if we decide have either of Copernicus and De revolutionibus orbium coelestium. We have so many people who are notable in context Protestant views on Mary but not Veneration of Mary in the Catholic Church.
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Father of paleontology.
Previous nomination here. J 947 's public account 21:40, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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What separates him enough to other scientists whose names are used as units like Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit, Heinrich Hertz, Samuel Pierpont Langley or Sir George Stokes, 1st Baronet that are also not on the list? A famous last name isn't everything. Not seeing enough importance here for a straight add when there's many people missing and we're over quota. More like a one hit wonder scientist whose namesake invention is more vital then the man and in which we already list. We do not need both in my opinion. GuzzyG ( talk) 21:16, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
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Arizona is 14-th most poulated State in USA and 20-th wealthiest State in USA. It is also place where is Grand Canyon and Colorado river.
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More broad article than Rocky Mountains. It deserve toi be listed at least on level 4 list.
Previous discussions relating to this and a similar article: 1 2 3. — J 947 's public account 23:31, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
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Covered by Performing art. Too technical article, similar to Spiritual practice which got removed.
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In the archives I found contigents ( [14]) where some editors have [agreed] each other that [[Pokemon] are not vital as [[video game] but colud fit as character/franchise. If we decide move Pokemon to art section with characters from popular culture will be dominated by characters from Japan (Mario, Pokemon, Godzilla, King Kong) and we will have only two characters from west which are both from Walt Disney Company. On that basis I suggest to remove Godzilla and King Kong
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Purplebackpack89: In the archives I found your comments where you said: "I am not sure any title is vital" (about video games i context of level 4) and you were also supporting
Naruto instead
Naruto (character) on level 5 (in sense you said
Naruto is one article which should be on level 5 among chracters; while just franchise is listed among characters in art section (not everyday life), not the character article).Oops, I did not noted/I-just-forgot that Naruto Umuzaki is listed among characters. I was thinking about fact that we already have
Hello Kitty on the level 5 depite fact either of Hello Kitty and Pokemon are mentioned in
List of highest-grossing media franchises and I also was going to my point that I was sceptical several months ago about listing characters when we have already franchise in society section because of German Wikipedia even does not indlude individual characters among 2000000 topics. (However I still think Pokemon better fits to art section obviously)
Dawid2009 (
talk) 14:57, 17 August 2019 (UTC) What we should do if people do not support moving Pokemon to Every day life? Quite honestly I even was going to do it as
WP:BOLD (as pikatchu as subsection is on level 5). This discussion does not make many productive sense' when people even do not read the list (ping @
DaGizza,
J947, and
Susmuffin:), until put the vote (and one user put vote after dozen days just due to fact someone other just gave vote).
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13:35, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
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We have more than enough superheroes and we are over quota. We do not need X-men when we do not list specific types of characters just like Villain. Is suggest swap it for Stock character. Stock character is wie topic which lo cover archettypal things like Fool (stock character).
X-men was added here, and proposed for removal here. Some discussions about stock character here and here. J 947 's public account 22:21, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
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Seems to me to be a quite important topic. Hyperbolick ( talk) 17:49, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
This is already listed at level 4 and also level 3 also, within everyday life, family and kinship I think. Carl wev 20:35, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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Can someone with more expertise in computing weigh in on whether the fact that we currently list Windows 95 but not XP, 10, etc. is appropriate? - Sdkb ( talk) 21:53, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
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He invented prototype of bicycle but he is not more vital than History of cycling, History of bicycle and his invention: Draisine. He was very generational inventor/influential person, less vital than Łukasiewicz who we removed. Łukasiewicz at least caused that Whaling was no longer needed in industry. Drais gets less hits on German Wikipedia than Friedrich Ludwig Jahn. There are many much more not listed notable people (Even though William G. Morgan) and people whose impact is not generational, just like Ray Tomlinson.
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He is author of Ars Magna (Gerolamo Cardano). In my opinion this work is more influential than something like The Color Purple and other less vital works than The Color Purple which we list.
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Leading botanist who studied mainly the flora of Oceania and from his lede "He is credited for bringing 30,000 plant specimens home with him; amongst them he discovered 1,400" and "He is credited with introducing the eucalyptus, acacia, and the genus named after him, Banksia, to the Western world. Approximately 80 species of plants bear his name. He was the leading founder of the African Association and a member of the Society of Dilettanti which helped to establish the Royal Academy." In his legacy section it lays out how many places/islands are named after him in multiple continents. Huge scientific impact of which more of is needed on this list.
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Thomas Kuhn IMO is influential just as Karl Popper.
Removal of Kuhn here. J 947 's public account 00:07, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
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A man who was vital in designing the St. Peter's Basilica.
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Neutral not sure; seems about as vital as others on this list but GuzzyG's point is a good one. J 947 ( c), at 05:07, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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We clearly have too many (four) French-language musicians. We list none Italian-language musicians (I mean better option would be 2 French representants vs 0 Italian than 4 French vs 0 Italian) despite fact Italian music recently also is popular and have quite notable personalities. Four French musicians maybe would be enough for French Wikipedia or Wikimedia list but certainly not for English Wikipedia because of there are a lot of notable English-language musicians who are missed at this level. I think that French Brigitte Bardot would be reasonable swap with Serge Gainsbourg. Brigitte Bardot was model and actor. She was symbol of sexapil in 50's and 60's. She also is much more notable than Isabelle Adjani who is already on the list. Gainsbourg when was trying to be more notable and popular, has used Bardot's reputation to promote his the most important song Je t'aime... moi non plus.
These two people are not representants for the same categry but some time go there were discussion to swap Luciana Aymar with Sequoyah so I have made speciffic nomination for swapping.
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Mayer has a claim of being the most powerful man in Hollywood during his time. MGM was more vital then paramount. Mayer has greater vitality then Goldwyn and is more important to film history.
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Based on discussion above: alternative suggestion. If we remove Eusebio and Michel Platini both it will be it will clear enough from context that Mia Hamm and Lev Yashin are on the list only due to fact that Mia Hamm is Woman and Lev Yashin is goalkeeper. It will be not insultoing for anyone from UK. In that case on the list among players who never won World Cup we will have only: Johan Cruyff, Ferenc Puskas, Di Stefano, Lionel Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo. These five players are the only players who for sure deserve for inclusion despite fact that they never won world cup because of: 1Cruyff has been regarted as: "Greates European player of the century" 2Puskas, Di Stefano, Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are the only players in history who have been played on world-class level after 30 year old age. They had extremly long time best peak at his career. Pele Dawid2009 ( talk) 16:36, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
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Low population relative to other cities we list (most Level 4 cities have at least a population of 1 million or so), and there is also nothing internationally significant about the city (such as being a national capital or listed as a GaWC world city) that warrants Dire Dawa to be listed at this level. We don't list more significant cities such as Austin, Texas or Dongguan. Reader interest is also low: Dire Dawa is one of the least viewed Level 4 geography articles.
I guess people wanted Ethiopia, a country of over 100 million people, to have more than one city? Carl wev 15:42, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
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It is basically a silent film with few moments of synchronized sound. Level 5 seems better place for this film.
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I don't think we can doubt the great difference in importance here.
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At this level, I don't think shyness adds anything more than what's already discussed in the extroversion and introversion and anxiety articles, both of which are listed and are the technical terms used in psychology. Gizza ( t)( c) 23:59, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
I feel like intrapersonal relation articles are more important than the current representation here. I believe this is another attempt to remove articles from this section with its overflowing quota, which was what I tried to do above too. However I believe the best way to go is to move the quota here up again. Anyways I sympathise with your arguments Gizza and it is fairly weak in this list. Overall I don't have a proper opinion here, so neutral. J 947 ( c), at 02:17, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
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The quota is full and the other listed radio program, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, is more famous.
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It is identical to Lever.
The two machines aren't completely identical, because you push the "lever" in different directions, but the formulas are identical. The two machines take the same effort to elevate an object. wumbolo ^^^ 20:36, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
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Political reformer who inspired and led Hungary’s struggle for independence from Austria. (Britannica)
Only if he's swapped with Sándor Petőfi two figures on a relatively small country and it's revolution seems over the top. GuzzyG ( talk) 11:39, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
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A fundamental topic in historiography.
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Two most famous poetic works of Ludovico Ariosto and Torquato Tasso, who are not listed in the People section. Ariosto is called the greatest Italian poet after Dante. "[Tasso's] work was widely translated and adapted, and until the beginning of the 20th century, he remained one of the most widely read poets in Europe."
We are well over quota at this section. When we have Great Pyramid of Giza at the level 3, probably we should include Giza pyramid complex ahead of them
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We list every other extant species in the Panthera genus.
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History of sport describes human activity for thousands years. This is more vital article than any random top important sport-person ( James Naismith, Muhammad Ali, Jesse Owens etc.) and more vital than any random historical game ( senet, pachisi etc.).
Game studies are more vital than Sport studies (like Wikipedia's own statistics shows) so if we decide to add History of sport, history of games most obviously should be already listed. Games historically had traditional, religional, and philosophical importance.
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What makes rupee more important than peso, franc, or dinar?
The article is the generic rupee, article about all past and present currencies with that name, or widely similar names, it is not the article on Indian rupee which would make sense to include, if anything. For example we do not list the articles for generic dollar or Pound (currency). Carl wev 13:49, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
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Hypericum is a genus of 500 flowering plants in the Malpighiales order that is commonly referred to as St. John's wort. These plants are found in practically every temperate region of earth, and every continent aside from Antarctica. There are several dozen cultivars and ornamental plants in the genus that are grown in moderate for their large, yellow flowers. In addition, many of the species in the genus, especially its type species Hypericum perforatum, have been and still are used in folk medicine as well as to treat mild depression, and the essential oils extracted Hypericum species have made the genus grow in popularity over the last decade.
The article is comparable in importance to many of the other non-monocot plant articles included, and if it were required that an article be removed to make room, I would argue that having nine articles in the Asteraceae not including itself, none of which are Level 3 articles, is somewhat overkill. However, the Biological and health sciences section is still five articles below its target, and I believe this article is a worthy inclusion to bring that number one closer.
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The quota is over in Philosophy and religion section. This article lists spiritual practices in different religions. Meditation, prayer and other activities are already listed. This article is probably not vital and necessary at this level.
The article is similar to spirituality but if we list performance art despite fact we have performing art on higher level we should keep spiritual practice too. Dawid2009 ( talk) 14:52, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
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We generally list the most general articles over more specific articles at higher levels. Hay is a type of fodder, and fodder is a type of animal feed, so I think animal feed is the article we should list at this level.
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Ignacy Łukasiewicz is weakest inventor at this level and maybe generally weakest scienciefists. This Polish man for sure is not worth being at this list. Ludwik Łazarz Zamenhorf is a social scientist and this Pole is considered the father of Esperanto language so in my opinion he would be good choice to be replaced with Łukasiewicz.
Slovakian Juraj Janosik is not less known in Poland than this Łukasiewicz and even Janosik likely is not nearly vital at this level (we even do not list Slovakian language). And BTW on that basic I think that we nodoubtly have too few languages at society and far too many articles relted with education at society. Whad do you think?
Neutral. Zamenhof posted the first and most widely known attempt to make a global language, and is a fairly well known figure in terms of this list. Łukasiewicz created many well known things (modern kerosene lamp, modern street lamp, in general many things related with oil, so that means things in a now growing and controversial industry...). I'm even going to say he's the Edison of oil. Both the opposing arguments that make me fall here can be found in other's comments. In general I'm really not sure at all about either of them, so neutral is my position at least for now. J 947 ( c), at 02:57, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
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Syracuse was one of the two most prominent Greek colonies in the Italian Peninsula.
it equaled Athens in size during the fifth century BC... Yep. J 947 ( c), at 18:14, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
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General article, more vital than Wikipedia which listed at society section.
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Gabin is legitimately one of the key actors in french film history. Marais is known mainly for his connection to Cocteau; big difference in vitality. Gabins in more wikidata languages too.
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The Catcher in the Rye is Salinger's only important work.
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We are at the limit basically and i am proposing a swap. Now that we are adding Constable; Gainsborough is no longer necessary, he's not really super influential or super vital to worldwide art history. Alberti on the other hand is seen to have "epitomised the Renaissance Man" ideal; a very important architect and mathematician.
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We already list the "Big Three" of science fiction, Ray Bradbury and Philip K. Dick.
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Pynchon is primarily known for a single novel.
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Also Kurt Vonnegut and Thomas Pynchon wrote psychedelic social satires. They were better prose stylists and Dick had to write his novels quickly.
I'll put my reply here, so we don't clog up the nomination and so we can discuss it further if need be.
Those are the only problems in the modern American literature section in my opinion. I think we should aim for 250 or even 240 writers as a whole, i just can't see writers being 100 articles more notable then art/music. GuzzyG ( talk) 16:44, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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Cleary one of the most notable playwrights of the 20th century. [5] "He wrote several award-winning plays, including The Glass Menagerie, A Streetcar Named Desire, and Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. Known for gritty characters and heartbreaking themes, these plays combined poetic language with dramatic flair and are recognized today as American classics." [6]
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Nobel author. Good representative of modern French literature. As the Los Angeles Review of Books says: "Modiano writes short, easy-to-read novels with big themes: memory, loss, identity, seeking. They are easily approachable and satisfying to read." [7] "If one studies French literature, one can't avoid Modiano." [8]
I think we have too many French writers already and more important Nobel writers like Eugene O'Neill, Ivo Andrić, Dario Fo, Giorgos Seferis, Miguel Ángel Asturias and Halldór Laxness are missing. But i'm open to what other people think. GuzzyG ( talk) 09:38, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
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Like I said in my above comment, we have too many French-language musicans. French Rene Goscinny is good option to be replaced with Jacques Brel because of we have too few comic writers (comics are listed at the level 3 and the comics do not have dedicated category for people at the level 4 so it is not fair while some fields such like latin music have their own categories for people here). We also list Asteriks while it is not the only notable Goscinny's work. Very important Goscinny's works is Le Petit Nicolas because of it is consider as "National French Fairly Tale" (Le Peitit Nicolas for French, it is something like Pippi Longstocking for Swedish or Pinocchio for Italian). Another important his work is also Lucky Luke which has been translated into various languages.
These two people are not representants for the same category but some time go there were discussion to swap Luciana Aymar with Sequoyah so I have made specific nomination for swapping.
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One of the most influential Chinese religious figures of all time.
He's not listed because the book he wrote is, just for clarification. GuzzyG ( talk) 08:48, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
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I think that Donald Trump's Wikipedia article should be a Level 4 Vital Importance article, since he is the current US president, a multi-billionaire, and has already enacted numerous policies that have a large effect on the United States. It is currently only Level 5 Importance, but there are many Level 4 Importance articles that are much less known and aren't on issues that have as much of an impact as Trump. BobRoberts14 ( talk) 20:17, 13 June 2019 (UTC)BobRoberts14
Historical importance has nothing to do with being the current leader of a country, being a multi billionaire and being famous. What has he done to change history? In your original thread on the Trump page itself, you compared him with Adi Shankara, if you can't tell the difference between someone who "He is credited with unifying and establishing the main currents of thought in Hinduism" and Trump himself, then i can't help you. There's so many people missing from this list like Peter Abelard, Roger Bacon, Giordano Bruno and Ernst Chladni for example, who have had more of a impact on the world then a current politician. GuzzyG ( talk) 20:36, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Ok let's dissect the people i have linked;
Adi Shankara: "consolidated the doctrine of Advaita Vedanta. He is credited with unifying and establishing the main currents of thought in Hinduism."
Peter Abelard: Britannica says "best known for his solution of the problem of universals and for his original use of dialectics." other sites "He is known as the finest academic brain of 12th century by a number of historians." "was the preeminent philosopher of the twelfth century and perhaps the greatest logician of the middle ages. During his life he was equally famous as a poet and a composer, and might also have ranked as the preeminent theologian of his day had his ideas earned more converts and less condemnation."
Roger Bacon: "He was the first European to describe in detail the process of making gunpowder, and he proposed flying machines and motorized ships and carriages. Bacon (as he himself complacently remarked) displayed a prodigious energy and zeal in the pursuit of experimental science; indeed, his studies were talked about everywhere and eventually won him a place in popular literature as a kind of wonder worker."
"His linguistic work has been heralded for its early exposition of a universal grammar.
"He is sometimes credited (mainly since the 19th century) as one of the earliest European advocates of the modern scientific method inspired by Aristotle and by Alhazen"
"whose theories anticipated modern science. The most notable of these were his theories of the infinite universe and the multiplicity of worlds, in which he rejected the traditional geocentric (Earth-centred) astronomy and intuitively went beyond the Copernican heliocentric (Sun-centred) theory,"
"Bruno proposed versions of metempsychosis, polygenism, panpsychism and, renouncing Christian emphases on human imperfection, advocated a morality that exhorted individuals to perfect their intellectual powers."
Ernst Chladni: " father of acoustics, included research on vibrating plates and the calculation of the speed of sound for different gases. He also undertook pioneering work in the study of meteorites and is regarded by some as the father of meteoritics." "pioneers of experimental acoustics. His research on different kinds of vibrations served as the basis for the scientific understanding of sound that later emerged in the 19th century. "
If you cannot understand how these people have had more of a overall effect on history then Trump, then i do not what to say. Pure recentism. Most of the presidents not listed like Bill Clinton have done more. This isn't just fame, it's importance. Comparing Alain Delon in the other thread you started who is one of the most dominant European actors to a American politician is false equivalency, compare another American politician to Trump if you have to but also argue why Trump is more important then figures like Jefferson Davis and if you say both should be listed; then argue why American politicians deserve more representatives the Roman leaders who had a much longer and important role then America has had so far on history. GuzzyG ( talk) 21:30, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
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Not less vital than Cai Lun because of Cai Lung probably popularised paper just like Ford popularised cars. Dawid2009 ( talk) 07:40, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
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Actually astrology i vital only historically. Astrology was very important for philosophy and religious' of acient people.
People don't seem to like this one, I was reading about the general topic and Archaeoastronomy is another article that caught my eye as maybe better for level four, if not both would definitely be level five. Carl wev 19:28, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
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Neither Cleveland nor Cincinnati have over 400,000 people, but Columbus is creeping up on 900,000 and Illinois is the most important state in the Midwest by far, and IMO the subdivisions section is lacking in terms of the US. Two cities in Ohio and Pennsylvania yet neither are included with Illinois is a stride ahead of them and not included? Anyways, I know Cleveland and Cincinnati are probably more likely to be spoken about, but Columbus does have double the population and is the capital. — J 947 ( c), at 04:42, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Illinois' removal: Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Level/4/Archive_20#Keep_Illinois. J 947 ( c), at 04:46, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
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how is National Palace Museum level 4 and Palace Museum level 5. that doesn't make sense. Viztor ( talk) 12:24, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
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While ago this discussion has been closed and was not touched but I am going to restarted it. If we decide remove physics; number (3) of Aristotele's books still will be plenty. This is vital but unnecesary when we are well-over quota and we even do not include De revolutionibus orbium coelestium.
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Fertility rite (in some foreign Wikipedias describes as: Firtility cult) is extremely foundational/influential concept for various traditions, specifically between winter and spring (for example Easter eggs, Easter Bunny and also Mummers play, Krampus, etc.)
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Idea is enough vital at this level (reasons in section about Imagination)
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Probably not vital at this level.
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Two high-importance articles related to human rights.
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When we list Race (human categorisation) as more subjective terminology of Biological anthropology (which is already on the list), we should consider addition of folk taxonomy. This concept also explain why for example German Wikipedia and Polish Wikipedia intentionally do not have artiles about Elephant or Monkey. It is something useful to knowlage. It should be on the level 4 or level 5 IMO. Dawid2009 ( talk) 12:56, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
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This article covers Walking and Jumping. Possible addition to the level 3 when we have primate there, because of it is essential issue to human evolution.
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Influential Roman comedy writer. His acient wording "I am human, and I think nothing human is alien to me" is nearly known just like Cogito, ergo sum by Descrates. In my opinion he is littly more vital than like Ennius.
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Okay, they are all vital, but because the list does not contain popular types of tea and coffee, these four types of cheese should be removed as well. Besides, there are some vital topics still not included in the level 4 list while it is currently over quota.
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We already list The Call of the Wild. Also, we list too many American authors.
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Dame Kiri te Kanawa is undoubtedly a great singer, and as a New Zealander I am biased in her favour, but not even I could argue that she is one of the 9 greatest opera singers ever.
To replace her, I propose the great German baritone Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, who revolutionised lieder singing, as well as being an acclaimed singer of opera and sacred music. Leonard Bernstein described him as the most significant singer of the 20th century, [9] and others agreed. [10] He was, in Leon Botstein's words, "arguably the most famous, respected, and versatile singer of the second half of the twentieth century." [11] In Germany he was called "Der Jahrhundertsänger", which translates as “singer of the century” or “hundred-year singer" - though it has been said that "neither translation does justice to the air of veneration the term connotes" and that he was "a social phenomenon and a symbol of postwar Germany." [12] We also currently don't have any representative of the lower male voices (baritones, bass-baritones or basses). Neljack ( talk) 10:17, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
"other choices depends on what one likes to emphasize" maybe, which is all the more reason why this swap should pass, considering this is a area of opera singers we do not cover and thus should emphasize, we can't honestly just have 8 opera singers considering it's importance. More Comics people then Opera? GuzzyG ( talk) 11:21, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Thi: Frankly I think Fischer-Dieskau would rank ahead of Sutherland and Pavarotti if you polled critics (FWIW, he came second in a Classic FM poll of critics of the greatest singers of the 20th century). Sutherland has plenty of detractors for her poor diction and limited dramatic ability, while Pavarotti's critical reputation - despite his fame and though undoubtedly a great singer - is not quite at the level of his fellow tenors Domingo and Caruso. Fischer-Dieskau, however, is almost universally acknowledged by critics as one of the most important classical singers of the century. Neljack ( talk) 09:05, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Previous removal nomination for Kanawa here. J 947 's public account 00:03, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
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We certainly should have Pope from Counter-Reformation time. John Wycliffe made similar contributions to
John Calvin so we do not need him on this level when we list so many protestants. When we list so many people who are notable in context
Protestant views on Mary but not
Cult of Mary I think we should list at least Pope from Counter-reformation time who introduced full form of
Hail Mary to
Roman Breviary, for some ballace. Developing Cult of MAry is strongly associated with Counerreformation time,
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Johnny Weissmulller and Duke Kahanamoku had similar career significance. Weissmuller had also impact for Popular Culture and perhaps is even littly more vital but not for this list when we list Tarzan but not Jungle Book (as parent article for for other archetypical feral child: Mowgli) on this level. When we do not list American Talles as general parent article for missed folk heroes whose vitality is more near to Jack the Ripper than American Football people I belive we could swap Weismuller for someone?. Beyond that Duke Kahanamoku is also considered as "Father of Surfing" so if we decide swap eismuller of Kahanamoku we will have figure who was pionnier of sport and we will ecape from overrepresentation of Tarzan.
If problematic fact is that Duke Kanamoku is notable in two sports (Surfing and Swimming) we can eventually move people from Multiple sports to other sections.
Weissmuller was added here. J 947 's public account 00:15, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
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Vital just as Arctic. Antarctica is pair with Arctic ocean; Antarctic is pair with Arctic.
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Andersen was poeth and author. He was one of two major figures in The Danish Golden Age (along with Søren Kierkegaard). His the most famous creations were even showed/used (actually as main topic) for dozen of minutes in documentary film about pscychoanalyse and had significant influence on English literature (especially fiction in Victorian Era). Including his one work to level 4 also is not any western bias because of his fairy tales are more appreciated in Far East and Eastern Europe than in the West nowdays. Article about Tales created by Andersen is list so including one title is better option. If I would have to choose one important Andersen's work I would choose The Little Mermaid. This literary work was inspiation of The Little Mermaid (statue) and according to information in that article is is the most iconic statue along with Manneken Pis, Statue of Liberty, Christ the Redeemer (statue) and Merlion.
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Influential poetic work by Lucretius. "... theories of the atomic structure of matter and the emergence and evolution of life forms – ideas that would eventually form a crucial foundation and background for the development of western science. In addition to his literary and scientific influence, Lucretius has been a major source of inspiration for a wide range of modern philosophers..." (Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy) [13]
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After thinkink about it more it is redundand to Fictional character and we already list several Superheros but we do not list Villain and Supervillain.
@ Thi, LaukkuTheGreit, Susmuffin, GuzzyG, Dimadick, J947, J947 Public, and Purplebackpack89:, I found in the archives contigent that Superhero is part of Stock character and if Zorro was partly influential for Batman, Batman should be removed as well. Most of you were oppose to add stock character and oppose to add superhero. Also most of you were oppose to add Zorro, what do you think about general discussion again? Dawid2009 ( talk) 05:51, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
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Parapsychology is listed among science, UFO Religion is listed among philosophy section on level 5. We need general article about UFO on the level 4 and probably in art section. Extraterrestrials in fiction is vital maybe just like Death (personification) or Ghost (Common fictional creature(s)).
Honestly on the same level as Bigfoot to me, either they both should go in or none. GuzzyG ( talk) 14:05, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
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More vital than Harvest festival and we list on level many less vital topics than Wedding reception (for example games which nowdays are not played but were known centuries ago).
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Redundand to Card game. We do not list other game-related specific thigs like chess piece, chess theory, soccer equipment football formation, bowling (cricket), goalkeeper, Asana, Swimming style. I do not think can be mre vital thing than something like Passport which got removed.
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Important topic for future generation. Something futurable.
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Pretty significant concept in daily life. feminist ( talk) 17:05, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
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Alternative to the cargo nomination above. It's abroader article and is more consistent with the other transport articles that are listed. Rreagan007 ( talk) 18:02, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
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Heraclitus is a very important figure in the context of dialectic, in my opinion he is more essential to history of philosophy than even someone like Ferdinand de Saussure. However I suggest to swap him with Karl Barth, because of we have too many protestants on this list. Karl Barth made similar contribution to Protestantism like John Calvin to Protestantism what John Calvin. We have so many people who are notable in the context of Protestant views on Mary but not Veneration of Mary in the Catholic Church.
I would support this but it needs deciding if Barth had less of a influence on the development of 20th century religion then Billy Graham, Dietrich Bonhoeffer or Desmond Tutu, of which i'd say he might be more notable then all 3. GuzzyG ( talk) 17:45, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
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Peter Abelard was one of the most prominent thinkers of his age. The Chambers Biographical Dictionary described him as "the keenest thinker and boldest theologian of the 12th century". [1] Furthermore, the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy said that "He is, arguably, the greatest logician of the Middle Ages and is equally famous as the first great nominalist philosopher." [2] Abelard was the most respected philosopher of the time and is still considered one of the foremost thinkers of his age. His theological viewpoints were deeply controversial. He was involved in many debates and conflicts with his peers. These disagreements eventually caused him to be temporarily excommunicated by the Catholic Church. [3] He was also known for his correspondence with Héloïse. Their love affair has attracted a considerable amount of attention over the last few centuries. In the period following the French Revolution, they were celebrated as "forerunners of modernity". [4] Honestly, I am surprised that Abelard was not already listed, as he was one of the most influential philosophers and theologians to ever live.
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While John Wycliffe made similar contributions to John Calvin and he is not vital for this level when we list so many protestants. I suggest swap him for Giordano Bruno who was important thinker/philosopher and also critically important figure during scientific revolution. He would fit if we decide have either of Copernicus and De revolutionibus orbium coelestium. We have so many people who are notable in context Protestant views on Mary but not Veneration of Mary in the Catholic Church.
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Father of paleontology.
Previous nomination here. J 947 's public account 21:40, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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What separates him enough to other scientists whose names are used as units like Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit, Heinrich Hertz, Samuel Pierpont Langley or Sir George Stokes, 1st Baronet that are also not on the list? A famous last name isn't everything. Not seeing enough importance here for a straight add when there's many people missing and we're over quota. More like a one hit wonder scientist whose namesake invention is more vital then the man and in which we already list. We do not need both in my opinion. GuzzyG ( talk) 21:16, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
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Arizona is 14-th most poulated State in USA and 20-th wealthiest State in USA. It is also place where is Grand Canyon and Colorado river.
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More broad article than Rocky Mountains. It deserve toi be listed at least on level 4 list.
Previous discussions relating to this and a similar article: 1 2 3. — J 947 's public account 23:31, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
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Covered by Performing art. Too technical article, similar to Spiritual practice which got removed.
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In the archives I found contigents ( [14]) where some editors have [agreed] each other that [[Pokemon] are not vital as [[video game] but colud fit as character/franchise. If we decide move Pokemon to art section with characters from popular culture will be dominated by characters from Japan (Mario, Pokemon, Godzilla, King Kong) and we will have only two characters from west which are both from Walt Disney Company. On that basis I suggest to remove Godzilla and King Kong
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Purplebackpack89: In the archives I found your comments where you said: "I am not sure any title is vital" (about video games i context of level 4) and you were also supporting
Naruto instead
Naruto (character) on level 5 (in sense you said
Naruto is one article which should be on level 5 among chracters; while just franchise is listed among characters in art section (not everyday life), not the character article).Oops, I did not noted/I-just-forgot that Naruto Umuzaki is listed among characters. I was thinking about fact that we already have
Hello Kitty on the level 5 depite fact either of Hello Kitty and Pokemon are mentioned in
List of highest-grossing media franchises and I also was going to my point that I was sceptical several months ago about listing characters when we have already franchise in society section because of German Wikipedia even does not indlude individual characters among 2000000 topics. (However I still think Pokemon better fits to art section obviously)
Dawid2009 (
talk) 14:57, 17 August 2019 (UTC) What we should do if people do not support moving Pokemon to Every day life? Quite honestly I even was going to do it as
WP:BOLD (as pikatchu as subsection is on level 5). This discussion does not make many productive sense' when people even do not read the list (ping @
DaGizza,
J947, and
Susmuffin:), until put the vote (and one user put vote after dozen days just due to fact someone other just gave vote).
Dawid2009 (
talk)
13:35, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
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We have more than enough superheroes and we are over quota. We do not need X-men when we do not list specific types of characters just like Villain. Is suggest swap it for Stock character. Stock character is wie topic which lo cover archettypal things like Fool (stock character).
X-men was added here, and proposed for removal here. Some discussions about stock character here and here. J 947 's public account 22:21, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
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Seems to me to be a quite important topic. Hyperbolick ( talk) 17:49, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
This is already listed at level 4 and also level 3 also, within everyday life, family and kinship I think. Carl wev 20:35, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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Can someone with more expertise in computing weigh in on whether the fact that we currently list Windows 95 but not XP, 10, etc. is appropriate? - Sdkb ( talk) 21:53, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
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He invented prototype of bicycle but he is not more vital than History of cycling, History of bicycle and his invention: Draisine. He was very generational inventor/influential person, less vital than Łukasiewicz who we removed. Łukasiewicz at least caused that Whaling was no longer needed in industry. Drais gets less hits on German Wikipedia than Friedrich Ludwig Jahn. There are many much more not listed notable people (Even though William G. Morgan) and people whose impact is not generational, just like Ray Tomlinson.
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He is author of Ars Magna (Gerolamo Cardano). In my opinion this work is more influential than something like The Color Purple and other less vital works than The Color Purple which we list.
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Leading botanist who studied mainly the flora of Oceania and from his lede "He is credited for bringing 30,000 plant specimens home with him; amongst them he discovered 1,400" and "He is credited with introducing the eucalyptus, acacia, and the genus named after him, Banksia, to the Western world. Approximately 80 species of plants bear his name. He was the leading founder of the African Association and a member of the Society of Dilettanti which helped to establish the Royal Academy." In his legacy section it lays out how many places/islands are named after him in multiple continents. Huge scientific impact of which more of is needed on this list.
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Thomas Kuhn IMO is influential just as Karl Popper.
Removal of Kuhn here. J 947 's public account 00:07, 12 August 2019 (UTC)