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Used to be called Scrawl. Although the writers are volunteers, they seem to do good journalism, like translating announcements from foreign RSs (example: Yoshida cannot yet confirm region-free PS4: Famitsu interview Sony Worldwide Studios boss.) getting good interviews (example: Interview: Tales producer Hideo Baba on Tales of Xillia, more) and detailed critical reviews ( http://gematsu.com/c/reviews). While the "Rumors" section would obviously not be reliable, I think the staff reviews and articles certainly are. They're also used as a source by other news outlets:
-- Atlantima ( talk) 00:00, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
So, in summary, their reviews and interviews can be cited, as well as their news pieces on Japan-exclusive titles, but otherwise it's not reliable? Okay. (By the way, I found the LinkedIn profiles for two of their staff: Sal Romano and Olivia Slayton. Neither seems to have experience writing for an RS, besides Sal's three months interning at GameZone.) -- Atlantima ( talk) 15:05, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
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This site has an awesome categorization scheme. Just take a look at their advanced search page. I was wondering if we could use it to verify a game's genre. Regardless, I would recommend it to anyone as a starting point for their research. SharkD Talk 01:10, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
I propose officially adding both Giant Bomb and Polygon (website) to Template:Video game reviews. They are both established websites with a large amount of credibility to back themselves up. Also, they're not afraid to give low scores which is something extremely lacking among some of the larger corporate-run review sites (the IGNs and GameSpots of the world). Axem Titanium ( talk) 03:41, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
So, I feel like there is consensus, at the very least, to promote Polygon and Joystiq to reliable, correct? Sergecross73 msg me 14:29, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
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This site is used heavily as a source on List of best-selling video games and List of best-selling Xbox 360 video games, mainly added by KahnJohn27, presumably as a result of Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 142#List of best-selling video games.
Personally, I'm not convinced that they can be considered reliable. For one, their use of Wikipedia/Wikimedia as a source (e.g. here and here, sourced to Wikimedia and Wikipedia respectively), would seem to violate WP:CIRCULAR, so at best they should be considered situational. That of course doesn't disqualify their use on these articles but may be indicative of their reliability (I'm not sure). The main pages used as citations in question are [1] and [2] (although [3] as a citation for Skyrim numbers keeps popping up as well), which both cite "Publisher Release" (and both of which were apparently verified on "7.11.2012"; this presumably means 11 August 2012, since the Skyrim page's date is 7.31.2012) as their source. My main problem with these pages in particular is the vagueness of the sources and how much information it apparently draws from them. Does the 7.11.2012 publisher release refer to a single game or multiple or all of them (unlikely)? If either of the former, whence have they sourced their other figures, and to which figure(s) does/do the "publisher release" refer?
Also a little worryingly, I checked up the data behind their CoD:MW3 day 1 sales, and couldn't find anything which verified their 9.3 million figure that didn't either originate at VG Chartz or had no source stated, and couldn't find a single source which agreed with their $629,240,000 figure, despite them stating that their source for the page (and thus presumably both figures) is Best Buy, a source that would presumably be fairly readily available.
The figures listed on the aforementioned Skyrim page are sourced to Bethesda Game Studios, Steam and Zenimax, which is interesting. For one thing, it reveals that if a page uses multiple sources, Statistic Brain may at least sometimes list them alongside each other. For another, one of their sources is listed as Steam, which is interesting for two reasons:
Also, what is the "average user review rating" based on? It isn't a Metacritic user score, since those are measured as a single decimal figure, and that figure is lower on all three platforms than the claimed 92/100 (i.e. 9.2) - Xbox 360: 8.3 [4], Windows: 8.2 [5] PS3: 5.8 [6]. That figure was apparently verified on 7.31.2012, so is unlikely to be particularly out of date.
I should probably also point out that I have previously posted about this on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Statistic Brain, where X201 suggested I ask here.
Anyway, what do you guys think? Alphathon / 'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ ( talk) 13:12, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Well then I dont know myself if theyre accurate or not I guess we still have to use the old sales list. But still give me some time 2 or 3 days. Ill try and contact them and try check their sources although I dont think that will bear any fruit. Ill think it over clearly and just so you know I hink Ive started agreeing with what youre all saying. Still I'll give up after a few days. Also I reverted because his sales are 3 years old and the one on statisticsbrsin is half year old. Also no hard feelings alphathon but I was just trying to update the lust. It was a total mess earlier. A notice on the article of the list of all platforms mention that the list contradicts itselfs and is incomplete which proves my point that its completely out of date. KahnJohn27 ( talk) 18:03, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
I've contacted statisticsbrain and they'll probably send a reply very soon. KahnJohn27 ( talk) 10:58, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Even I hadn't heard of boxoffice.com until I came upon Dredd and wasn't ready to believe it's box office figures were correct. However contrary to my expectations it actually turned out to be more correct and accurate than Box office mojo although the budget figures were severly inflated and inaccurate. But excluding that budget problem it was proved that boxoffice.com had much more accurate box office gross records than BOM and its figures were backed up by thenumbers.com. And now many users are using it as a source for box office gross instead of BOM which sometimes contradicts it's own figures while boxoffice.com updates it's foreign gross for movies more regularly. That goes to show that new sources with no reputation can be better than old ones. However I am not saying that statisticsbrain.com is reliable but that just because they have very little reputation doesn't mean they can't be reliable. KahnJohn27 ( talk) 22:37, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
I give up. They haven't sent a reply till yet and I remember every detail that I wrote in the message was correct. I'm tired of waiting for their reply and proving their reliability. Sorry for any inconvenience. However if they reply in future I will inform all of you. Still thanks for your cooperation. KahnJohn27 ( talk) 08:34, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
I someone help verify is this magazine is a reliable source? It got suggested on Wario's FAC and it could help broadening the article. Links are found here and here. Thanks. GamerPro64 21:06, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
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Hey, a FAC I'm reviewing uses one of the guides from this website http://www.gamepressure.com/ as a source. However, this site is not listed at WP:VG/RS and I'm not sure if it is a reliable source or not. Can someone help out? -- FutureTrillionaire ( talk) 14:02, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
I was thinking about reviewing the GAN Jill Valentine before I noticed that some of the article's sources have uncertain reliability. Are any of these reliable? [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] -- FutureTrillionaire ( talk) 14:55, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Sergecross73:
Contratry to your misguided belief, this is what Wikipedia:External links (your " WP:YOUTUBE") actually says: "Linking to a page that illegally distributes someone else's work casts a bad light on Wikipedia and its editors. This is particularly relevant when linking to sites such as Scribd or YouTube, where due care should be taken to avoid linking to material that violates copyright. [...] There is no blanket ban on linking to YouTube or other user-submitted video sites, as long as the links abide by the guidelines on this page (see Restrictions on linking and Links normally to be avoided). Many videos hosted on YouTube or similar sites do not meet the standards for inclusion in External links sections, and copyright is of particular concern. Many YouTube videos of newscasts, shows or other content of interest to Wikipedia visitors are copyright violations and should not be linked. Links should be evaluated for inclusion with due care on a case-by-case basis. Links to online videos should also identify additional software necessary for readers to view the content."
There's nothing in Wikipedia:Copyrights (" WP:LINKVIO") about either Facebook nor YouTube, and in Wikipedia:Verifiability (" WP:SPS") it's only "This is particularly relevant when linking to sites such as YouTube, where due care should be taken to avoid linking to material that violates copyright" and "Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities, without the self-published source requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as [5 points] This policy also applies to pages on social networking sites such as Twitter, Tumblr, and Facebook." -- Niemti ( talk) 11:47, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
It's Capcom's FB indeed (with a message from RE6 producer) and a video interview. MMGN: this discussion was 3 years ago, just after it was launched, and actually involved just 1 opinion, apparently (according to its article) it's a professional company with an office and what not. -- Niemti ( talk) 18:39, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
I took a look at the other sites I hadn't looked at yet. Here's what I see:
Hope that helps. - Thibbs ( talk) 21:48, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
NOTE: I just noticed that there is an identical question posted here (at WP:RS/N). We should try to centralize these discussions to achieve a single coherent consensus. - Thibbs ( talk) 13:49, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Comic Vine is a sister site of Giant Bomb, and it has a user-contributed wiki just like Giant Bomb. As the note for Giant Bomb says, "Do not use the user contributed content from the site's article/database section for citations." I'm not sure whether the site's editorial content can be considered reliable, but the wiki content being used as a source here is definitely unreliable. Reach Out to the Truth 18:15, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Would this count as a reliable source? [26]? Dream Focus 03:11, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
What do you think? Seems a pretty decent website ( external link). -- Niwi3 ( talk) 17:35, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Hey I was just reviewing our situational sources in order to help a new editor use WP:VG/RS and I realized that there are several sources listed in the checklist as situational but whose situational usage is not explained in the "Situational sources" subsection. I think we need to remedy this because unlike a straight RS or non-RS determination, usage of situational sources need to be clearly spelled out for editors (especially new editors). So I don't want to start a new discussion about the usability of these sources, but rather I am interested in determining the prior consensus. Below I've listed the unexplained situational sources and I've provided my understanding of the prior consensus. If there are no objections to my interpretations then I'll add them to the proper subsection.
The last two are a little more complicated and I'd like to get an input on which option seems best to people.
For the last two, in my view, I think (1) GameFan should just be bumped up to reliable and then this determination wouldn't attach to the unrelated fan website; and (2) Massively should maybe be bumped up to RS. Please share comments on all of the above. - Thibbs ( talk) 16:32, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
OK I just updated the Situational explanations for the first 4, and bumped up the determination from Situational to Reliable for the other 2 per the discussions above. I realize this hasn't left huge amounts of time for discussion (I only proposed this change 3 days ago), but we can always tweak it as needed. I think it's better to have some sort of an explanation rather than nothing which can lead to confusion. - Thibbs ( talk) 14:17, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
All right. I am bringing up three sources to see if we can mention them as reliable, unreliable or situational by Wikipedia standards:
Thoughts? Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 00:58, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Video Games Blogger" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
This link was just used in the Halo: Anniversary article, but it ends with "Information via Wikia." Only previous discussion I've found was this lukewarm one. I'm assuming they aren't providing editorial oversight over these lifts from Wikia, but I wanted to run it past y'all, see if it's worth being blacklisted. czar · · 01:00, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm bringing this site up because it's already being used in several articles, often in the reception section of fictional characters, such as here (see Ref #2) and here (see Ref #68). Should it be considered reliable or unreliable? Satellizer el Bridget ツ 02:24, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
-- Atlantima ~✿~ ( talk) 16:00, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you クラウド668 and Wangxuan8331800 for the help. The fact that the info is not user-generated is certainly encouraging. Can you see if there is any clear editorial policy? Is there any editorial oversight or other structural oversight to the organization? And do the authors have any credentials listed? Are they video game journalists or industry insiders or are they just fans? Have they listed any awards or other forms of recognition from reliable (print?) sources? How long have they been in existence? Some positive information on these topics would go a long way toward establishing reliability. - Thibbs ( talk) 16:01, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
User:Robertpattinsons is adding this ref to multiple articles, and appears to be the only user using it, including some sketchier edits as he did in PlayStation Blog. I believe it's possibly spam, I don't know why Gamesradar would be using Blog.com, their main site seems fine? Seeking opinion before I go reverting. -- ferret ( talk) 12:14, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
See ifixit. Its a blog that tears down video game systems and reports on what they find, especially on new consoles. Back when the 3DS first came out, there was consensus was that it was not useable. However, when I tried to remove it from the Vita article, it was contested. I noticed we didn't really have a definite discussion on it, so I started this up.
On one hand, it's just a random guy's blog. On the other hand, its been featured in reliable sources like PC World, as seen here. I'm leaning towards unreliable. Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 14:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Is this site possibly reliable? Satellizer el Bridget ツ 06:42, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
I would like to talk about these three related things. I believe the VG/S policy on the subject/s is in error.
A game can not be treated as a primary source, because as a product, it is the actual subject of an article about that product. This also tends to put it above any external source as far as information on the thing goes, provided there are no claims or interpretation being made. Sourcing it for certain data is in no way original research, much as sourcing a book for certain passages or a film for certain quotes. Names, years, specific lines of text, and images (as long as they're not doctored, of course; that's all about trust in humanity) are all great examples of stuff that generally do not require a claim or interpretation; it's right there in the game and is as accessible as the game itself is, which is something that goes for just about any product ever.
That last bit is particularly important, as the policy specifically mentions that instruction booklets and the like essentially supersede the actual subject in this way... why? There's nothing wrong with mentioning the manual, of course; it came with the game, after all. But video game articles are about the game program itself, not necessarily the manual that came with or after it. It would generally be accurate to treat the game over the instruction booklet or the box, especially if there's a disconnect. For example, the game program for Sonic the Hedgehog CD does indeed use "Sonic the Hedgehog CD" as the title, and this supersedes whatever the box has to say on the matter.
Now, official sources might be considered to be "self-published sources", but only so under WP:SPS's second definition, which does not itself inherently put such an SPS above or below any external source. What does is how related that source is to the creator of the subject; as per above, the instruction manual or box that came with the game is second only to the game itself, and a website would be second to that. This even applies to download-only games; any readme.txt, HTML-based document, or .pdf-based manual contained within should be treated much the same as a physical instruction booklet; websites should be treated the same as well. Really, the only requirement to all this is that the entire article isn't completely based on them, and I'm not even sure that's really possible except for extremely niche topics.
Now... Kotaku. I've noticed that Kotaku seems to be making up their own titles even when there are valid official titles available. Here are some good examples: creating a "C1 NES TV" even as we have official names like "マイコンピュータテレビC1" and "Sharp Nintendo Television", also creating a "SF-1 SNES TV" for consistency even as we have "スーパーファミコン内蔵テレビSF1" as an official name, and even using Famicom World as a source even though the article on it doesn't mention any "C1 NES TV" and last I checked isn't an RS for WPVG; then, the more recent case of using "Deadmaus" instead of the correct "deadmau5"--something that's actually supported by other reliable sources on that topic--and even, as a source, puts down an article that does use "deadmau5". I'm sure I could find more examples. At any rate, what this all tells me is that Kotaku does not do basic fact-checking and is overriding official names for whatever they want to come up with. As the whole point of a reliable source is that they can be shown to seek accuracy, I'm starting to question whether Kotaku can even be considered one, at least for the sake of deciding the common name of a thing. Your thoughts? Despatche ( talk) 13:11, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "BoomPopMedia" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo I would like to nominate BoomPopMedia as a potential source for information (Full disclosure, I know the editor-in-chief quite well and have contributed articles from time to time) because it appears to have a staff of ~20 writers and an Alexa rank below 150,000. There is a significant amount of video game content and on some search queries (such as Titanfall) they are one of the first results. AtlasBurden (talk) 15:26, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Nlife owns several sites, of which Nintendo Life is currently rated generally reliable on the source list, and its sister sites are unrated. Their editorial oversight isn't exactly clear-cut, and I think their reliability is more based on their top editors' previous work and the opinion of other sites, but I wanted to pose the PlayStation and Xbox sister sites above for consideration as they appear very similar to Nintendo Life. czar · · 14:50, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Is this website a reliable source? I'm specifically concernered about this article: [27] -- FutureTrillionaire ( talk) 03:08, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, can I use this? Thanks. -- Niwi3 ( talk) 09:51, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
In my editing of the Grand Theft Auto V page I feel I've gathered a good pool of reliable sources to use particularly throughout the " Story and gameplay" section. I'd like to continue that effort in the " Development" section and to begin that effort I've tried locating a source for the estimated budget of the game. I've found this, and Gamesindustry.biz is listed as a reliable source here, but I don't know how credible Arvind Bhatia is as I'd never heard of him before. How okay is this source to use for the article, if at all? CR4ZE ( talk) 11:52, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
When I try to find references about a game, I search on various websites that I know: "gamespy.com", "gamasutra.com", "gamestop.com", "1up.com", "gamezone.com", etc. I think it would be useful to have a comprehensive list with such websites, to help those people who are looking for references for games. It doesn't have to be a 100% objective list. I also have a small bookmarklet script that can help editors to search for keywords on many websites in the same time. The list of websites will be very useful for improving the script, making the search more efficient.
javascript: var sites = ["gamespy.com" , "gamasutra.com" , "gamestop.com" , "1up.com"]; var text = prompt("search query", ""); if ( text ) for (var i = 0; i < sites.length; i++) { var Etext = text.replace(/ /g, "+") + escape("+site:" + sites[i]).replace(/%20/g, "+"); var x = open("http://www.google.com/search?q=" + Etext); };
— Ark25 ( talk) 23:10, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
@Ferret: yes, like that list, but including also sites like engadget.com, mashable.com, arstechnica.com, techcrunch.com, etc.
@Thibbs: That tool is quite nice, is it possible to see the list of the sites where it's searching in? — Ark25 ( talk) 00:48, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Well, in this case the checklist can be followed by a collapsed list containing only the links:
Column 1 | Column 2 | Column 3 | Column 4 | Column 5 |
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1up.com | 3djuegos.com | 4gamer.net | 576.hu | about.com |
ag.ru | avault.com | etc. |
That should be a good enough implementation in order to begin with. I have no idea how often or rarely sources like mashable, engadget or techcrunch are used as citations but I guess they deserve to be in (some) list, for those who want to search citations for a particular game. Here I have a short list with IT news websites. I have no idea if they are already part of some checklist in another WikiProject:
gizmodo.com - engadget.com - fudzilla.com - geek.com - cnet.com - theregister.co.uk - theinquirer.net - arstechnica.com - tgdaily.com - news.softpedia.com - eetimes.com - reghardware.co.uk - electronista.com - gearlog.com - zdnet.com - techpowerup.com - itwire.com - pcper.com - pcpro.co.uk - pcplus.co.uk - techreport.com - techspot.com - techcrunch.com - internetnews.com - eweek.com - popularmechanics.com - wired.com - amdzone.com - googleblog.blogspot.com - securityfocus.com - boingboing.net - copyblogger.com - wugnet.com
— Ark25 ( talk) 01:01, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
Considering the acknowledgment by Nintendo of the site, is it possible for it to be of use for fact-based information in EarthBound-related information? - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 21:52, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
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Find video game sources: "Gematsu" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Used to be called Scrawl. Although the writers are volunteers, they seem to do good journalism, like translating announcements from foreign RSs (example: Yoshida cannot yet confirm region-free PS4: Famitsu interview Sony Worldwide Studios boss.) getting good interviews (example: Interview: Tales producer Hideo Baba on Tales of Xillia, more) and detailed critical reviews ( http://gematsu.com/c/reviews). While the "Rumors" section would obviously not be reliable, I think the staff reviews and articles certainly are. They're also used as a source by other news outlets:
-- Atlantima ( talk) 00:00, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
So, in summary, their reviews and interviews can be cited, as well as their news pieces on Japan-exclusive titles, but otherwise it's not reliable? Okay. (By the way, I found the LinkedIn profiles for two of their staff: Sal Romano and Olivia Slayton. Neither seems to have experience writing for an RS, besides Sal's three months interning at GameZone.) -- Atlantima ( talk) 15:05, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
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This site has an awesome categorization scheme. Just take a look at their advanced search page. I was wondering if we could use it to verify a game's genre. Regardless, I would recommend it to anyone as a starting point for their research. SharkD Talk 01:10, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
I propose officially adding both Giant Bomb and Polygon (website) to Template:Video game reviews. They are both established websites with a large amount of credibility to back themselves up. Also, they're not afraid to give low scores which is something extremely lacking among some of the larger corporate-run review sites (the IGNs and GameSpots of the world). Axem Titanium ( talk) 03:41, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
So, I feel like there is consensus, at the very least, to promote Polygon and Joystiq to reliable, correct? Sergecross73 msg me 14:29, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Statistic Brain" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
This site is used heavily as a source on List of best-selling video games and List of best-selling Xbox 360 video games, mainly added by KahnJohn27, presumably as a result of Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 142#List of best-selling video games.
Personally, I'm not convinced that they can be considered reliable. For one, their use of Wikipedia/Wikimedia as a source (e.g. here and here, sourced to Wikimedia and Wikipedia respectively), would seem to violate WP:CIRCULAR, so at best they should be considered situational. That of course doesn't disqualify their use on these articles but may be indicative of their reliability (I'm not sure). The main pages used as citations in question are [1] and [2] (although [3] as a citation for Skyrim numbers keeps popping up as well), which both cite "Publisher Release" (and both of which were apparently verified on "7.11.2012"; this presumably means 11 August 2012, since the Skyrim page's date is 7.31.2012) as their source. My main problem with these pages in particular is the vagueness of the sources and how much information it apparently draws from them. Does the 7.11.2012 publisher release refer to a single game or multiple or all of them (unlikely)? If either of the former, whence have they sourced their other figures, and to which figure(s) does/do the "publisher release" refer?
Also a little worryingly, I checked up the data behind their CoD:MW3 day 1 sales, and couldn't find anything which verified their 9.3 million figure that didn't either originate at VG Chartz or had no source stated, and couldn't find a single source which agreed with their $629,240,000 figure, despite them stating that their source for the page (and thus presumably both figures) is Best Buy, a source that would presumably be fairly readily available.
The figures listed on the aforementioned Skyrim page are sourced to Bethesda Game Studios, Steam and Zenimax, which is interesting. For one thing, it reveals that if a page uses multiple sources, Statistic Brain may at least sometimes list them alongside each other. For another, one of their sources is listed as Steam, which is interesting for two reasons:
Also, what is the "average user review rating" based on? It isn't a Metacritic user score, since those are measured as a single decimal figure, and that figure is lower on all three platforms than the claimed 92/100 (i.e. 9.2) - Xbox 360: 8.3 [4], Windows: 8.2 [5] PS3: 5.8 [6]. That figure was apparently verified on 7.31.2012, so is unlikely to be particularly out of date.
I should probably also point out that I have previously posted about this on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Statistic Brain, where X201 suggested I ask here.
Anyway, what do you guys think? Alphathon / 'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ ( talk) 13:12, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Well then I dont know myself if theyre accurate or not I guess we still have to use the old sales list. But still give me some time 2 or 3 days. Ill try and contact them and try check their sources although I dont think that will bear any fruit. Ill think it over clearly and just so you know I hink Ive started agreeing with what youre all saying. Still I'll give up after a few days. Also I reverted because his sales are 3 years old and the one on statisticsbrsin is half year old. Also no hard feelings alphathon but I was just trying to update the lust. It was a total mess earlier. A notice on the article of the list of all platforms mention that the list contradicts itselfs and is incomplete which proves my point that its completely out of date. KahnJohn27 ( talk) 18:03, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
I've contacted statisticsbrain and they'll probably send a reply very soon. KahnJohn27 ( talk) 10:58, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Even I hadn't heard of boxoffice.com until I came upon Dredd and wasn't ready to believe it's box office figures were correct. However contrary to my expectations it actually turned out to be more correct and accurate than Box office mojo although the budget figures were severly inflated and inaccurate. But excluding that budget problem it was proved that boxoffice.com had much more accurate box office gross records than BOM and its figures were backed up by thenumbers.com. And now many users are using it as a source for box office gross instead of BOM which sometimes contradicts it's own figures while boxoffice.com updates it's foreign gross for movies more regularly. That goes to show that new sources with no reputation can be better than old ones. However I am not saying that statisticsbrain.com is reliable but that just because they have very little reputation doesn't mean they can't be reliable. KahnJohn27 ( talk) 22:37, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
I give up. They haven't sent a reply till yet and I remember every detail that I wrote in the message was correct. I'm tired of waiting for their reply and proving their reliability. Sorry for any inconvenience. However if they reply in future I will inform all of you. Still thanks for your cooperation. KahnJohn27 ( talk) 08:34, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
I someone help verify is this magazine is a reliable source? It got suggested on Wario's FAC and it could help broadening the article. Links are found here and here. Thanks. GamerPro64 21:06, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
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Hey, a FAC I'm reviewing uses one of the guides from this website http://www.gamepressure.com/ as a source. However, this site is not listed at WP:VG/RS and I'm not sure if it is a reliable source or not. Can someone help out? -- FutureTrillionaire ( talk) 14:02, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
I was thinking about reviewing the GAN Jill Valentine before I noticed that some of the article's sources have uncertain reliability. Are any of these reliable? [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] -- FutureTrillionaire ( talk) 14:55, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Sergecross73:
Contratry to your misguided belief, this is what Wikipedia:External links (your " WP:YOUTUBE") actually says: "Linking to a page that illegally distributes someone else's work casts a bad light on Wikipedia and its editors. This is particularly relevant when linking to sites such as Scribd or YouTube, where due care should be taken to avoid linking to material that violates copyright. [...] There is no blanket ban on linking to YouTube or other user-submitted video sites, as long as the links abide by the guidelines on this page (see Restrictions on linking and Links normally to be avoided). Many videos hosted on YouTube or similar sites do not meet the standards for inclusion in External links sections, and copyright is of particular concern. Many YouTube videos of newscasts, shows or other content of interest to Wikipedia visitors are copyright violations and should not be linked. Links should be evaluated for inclusion with due care on a case-by-case basis. Links to online videos should also identify additional software necessary for readers to view the content."
There's nothing in Wikipedia:Copyrights (" WP:LINKVIO") about either Facebook nor YouTube, and in Wikipedia:Verifiability (" WP:SPS") it's only "This is particularly relevant when linking to sites such as YouTube, where due care should be taken to avoid linking to material that violates copyright" and "Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities, without the self-published source requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as [5 points] This policy also applies to pages on social networking sites such as Twitter, Tumblr, and Facebook." -- Niemti ( talk) 11:47, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
It's Capcom's FB indeed (with a message from RE6 producer) and a video interview. MMGN: this discussion was 3 years ago, just after it was launched, and actually involved just 1 opinion, apparently (according to its article) it's a professional company with an office and what not. -- Niemti ( talk) 18:39, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
I took a look at the other sites I hadn't looked at yet. Here's what I see:
Hope that helps. - Thibbs ( talk) 21:48, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
NOTE: I just noticed that there is an identical question posted here (at WP:RS/N). We should try to centralize these discussions to achieve a single coherent consensus. - Thibbs ( talk) 13:49, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Comic Vine is a sister site of Giant Bomb, and it has a user-contributed wiki just like Giant Bomb. As the note for Giant Bomb says, "Do not use the user contributed content from the site's article/database section for citations." I'm not sure whether the site's editorial content can be considered reliable, but the wiki content being used as a source here is definitely unreliable. Reach Out to the Truth 18:15, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Would this count as a reliable source? [26]? Dream Focus 03:11, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
What do you think? Seems a pretty decent website ( external link). -- Niwi3 ( talk) 17:35, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Hey I was just reviewing our situational sources in order to help a new editor use WP:VG/RS and I realized that there are several sources listed in the checklist as situational but whose situational usage is not explained in the "Situational sources" subsection. I think we need to remedy this because unlike a straight RS or non-RS determination, usage of situational sources need to be clearly spelled out for editors (especially new editors). So I don't want to start a new discussion about the usability of these sources, but rather I am interested in determining the prior consensus. Below I've listed the unexplained situational sources and I've provided my understanding of the prior consensus. If there are no objections to my interpretations then I'll add them to the proper subsection.
The last two are a little more complicated and I'd like to get an input on which option seems best to people.
For the last two, in my view, I think (1) GameFan should just be bumped up to reliable and then this determination wouldn't attach to the unrelated fan website; and (2) Massively should maybe be bumped up to RS. Please share comments on all of the above. - Thibbs ( talk) 16:32, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
OK I just updated the Situational explanations for the first 4, and bumped up the determination from Situational to Reliable for the other 2 per the discussions above. I realize this hasn't left huge amounts of time for discussion (I only proposed this change 3 days ago), but we can always tweak it as needed. I think it's better to have some sort of an explanation rather than nothing which can lead to confusion. - Thibbs ( talk) 14:17, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
All right. I am bringing up three sources to see if we can mention them as reliable, unreliable or situational by Wikipedia standards:
Thoughts? Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 00:58, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Video Games Blogger" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
This link was just used in the Halo: Anniversary article, but it ends with "Information via Wikia." Only previous discussion I've found was this lukewarm one. I'm assuming they aren't providing editorial oversight over these lifts from Wikia, but I wanted to run it past y'all, see if it's worth being blacklisted. czar · · 01:00, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm bringing this site up because it's already being used in several articles, often in the reception section of fictional characters, such as here (see Ref #2) and here (see Ref #68). Should it be considered reliable or unreliable? Satellizer el Bridget ツ 02:24, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
-- Atlantima ~✿~ ( talk) 16:00, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you クラウド668 and Wangxuan8331800 for the help. The fact that the info is not user-generated is certainly encouraging. Can you see if there is any clear editorial policy? Is there any editorial oversight or other structural oversight to the organization? And do the authors have any credentials listed? Are they video game journalists or industry insiders or are they just fans? Have they listed any awards or other forms of recognition from reliable (print?) sources? How long have they been in existence? Some positive information on these topics would go a long way toward establishing reliability. - Thibbs ( talk) 16:01, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
User:Robertpattinsons is adding this ref to multiple articles, and appears to be the only user using it, including some sketchier edits as he did in PlayStation Blog. I believe it's possibly spam, I don't know why Gamesradar would be using Blog.com, their main site seems fine? Seeking opinion before I go reverting. -- ferret ( talk) 12:14, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
See ifixit. Its a blog that tears down video game systems and reports on what they find, especially on new consoles. Back when the 3DS first came out, there was consensus was that it was not useable. However, when I tried to remove it from the Vita article, it was contested. I noticed we didn't really have a definite discussion on it, so I started this up.
On one hand, it's just a random guy's blog. On the other hand, its been featured in reliable sources like PC World, as seen here. I'm leaning towards unreliable. Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 14:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Is this site possibly reliable? Satellizer el Bridget ツ 06:42, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
I would like to talk about these three related things. I believe the VG/S policy on the subject/s is in error.
A game can not be treated as a primary source, because as a product, it is the actual subject of an article about that product. This also tends to put it above any external source as far as information on the thing goes, provided there are no claims or interpretation being made. Sourcing it for certain data is in no way original research, much as sourcing a book for certain passages or a film for certain quotes. Names, years, specific lines of text, and images (as long as they're not doctored, of course; that's all about trust in humanity) are all great examples of stuff that generally do not require a claim or interpretation; it's right there in the game and is as accessible as the game itself is, which is something that goes for just about any product ever.
That last bit is particularly important, as the policy specifically mentions that instruction booklets and the like essentially supersede the actual subject in this way... why? There's nothing wrong with mentioning the manual, of course; it came with the game, after all. But video game articles are about the game program itself, not necessarily the manual that came with or after it. It would generally be accurate to treat the game over the instruction booklet or the box, especially if there's a disconnect. For example, the game program for Sonic the Hedgehog CD does indeed use "Sonic the Hedgehog CD" as the title, and this supersedes whatever the box has to say on the matter.
Now, official sources might be considered to be "self-published sources", but only so under WP:SPS's second definition, which does not itself inherently put such an SPS above or below any external source. What does is how related that source is to the creator of the subject; as per above, the instruction manual or box that came with the game is second only to the game itself, and a website would be second to that. This even applies to download-only games; any readme.txt, HTML-based document, or .pdf-based manual contained within should be treated much the same as a physical instruction booklet; websites should be treated the same as well. Really, the only requirement to all this is that the entire article isn't completely based on them, and I'm not even sure that's really possible except for extremely niche topics.
Now... Kotaku. I've noticed that Kotaku seems to be making up their own titles even when there are valid official titles available. Here are some good examples: creating a "C1 NES TV" even as we have official names like "マイコンピュータテレビC1" and "Sharp Nintendo Television", also creating a "SF-1 SNES TV" for consistency even as we have "スーパーファミコン内蔵テレビSF1" as an official name, and even using Famicom World as a source even though the article on it doesn't mention any "C1 NES TV" and last I checked isn't an RS for WPVG; then, the more recent case of using "Deadmaus" instead of the correct "deadmau5"--something that's actually supported by other reliable sources on that topic--and even, as a source, puts down an article that does use "deadmau5". I'm sure I could find more examples. At any rate, what this all tells me is that Kotaku does not do basic fact-checking and is overriding official names for whatever they want to come up with. As the whole point of a reliable source is that they can be shown to seek accuracy, I'm starting to question whether Kotaku can even be considered one, at least for the sake of deciding the common name of a thing. Your thoughts? Despatche ( talk) 13:11, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "BoomPopMedia" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo I would like to nominate BoomPopMedia as a potential source for information (Full disclosure, I know the editor-in-chief quite well and have contributed articles from time to time) because it appears to have a staff of ~20 writers and an Alexa rank below 150,000. There is a significant amount of video game content and on some search queries (such as Titanfall) they are one of the first results. AtlasBurden (talk) 15:26, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Nlife owns several sites, of which Nintendo Life is currently rated generally reliable on the source list, and its sister sites are unrated. Their editorial oversight isn't exactly clear-cut, and I think their reliability is more based on their top editors' previous work and the opinion of other sites, but I wanted to pose the PlayStation and Xbox sister sites above for consideration as they appear very similar to Nintendo Life. czar · · 14:50, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Is this website a reliable source? I'm specifically concernered about this article: [27] -- FutureTrillionaire ( talk) 03:08, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, can I use this? Thanks. -- Niwi3 ( talk) 09:51, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
In my editing of the Grand Theft Auto V page I feel I've gathered a good pool of reliable sources to use particularly throughout the " Story and gameplay" section. I'd like to continue that effort in the " Development" section and to begin that effort I've tried locating a source for the estimated budget of the game. I've found this, and Gamesindustry.biz is listed as a reliable source here, but I don't know how credible Arvind Bhatia is as I'd never heard of him before. How okay is this source to use for the article, if at all? CR4ZE ( talk) 11:52, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
When I try to find references about a game, I search on various websites that I know: "gamespy.com", "gamasutra.com", "gamestop.com", "1up.com", "gamezone.com", etc. I think it would be useful to have a comprehensive list with such websites, to help those people who are looking for references for games. It doesn't have to be a 100% objective list. I also have a small bookmarklet script that can help editors to search for keywords on many websites in the same time. The list of websites will be very useful for improving the script, making the search more efficient.
javascript: var sites = ["gamespy.com" , "gamasutra.com" , "gamestop.com" , "1up.com"]; var text = prompt("search query", ""); if ( text ) for (var i = 0; i < sites.length; i++) { var Etext = text.replace(/ /g, "+") + escape("+site:" + sites[i]).replace(/%20/g, "+"); var x = open("http://www.google.com/search?q=" + Etext); };
— Ark25 ( talk) 23:10, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
@Ferret: yes, like that list, but including also sites like engadget.com, mashable.com, arstechnica.com, techcrunch.com, etc.
@Thibbs: That tool is quite nice, is it possible to see the list of the sites where it's searching in? — Ark25 ( talk) 00:48, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Well, in this case the checklist can be followed by a collapsed list containing only the links:
Column 1 | Column 2 | Column 3 | Column 4 | Column 5 |
---|---|---|---|---|
1up.com | 3djuegos.com | 4gamer.net | 576.hu | about.com |
ag.ru | avault.com | etc. |
That should be a good enough implementation in order to begin with. I have no idea how often or rarely sources like mashable, engadget or techcrunch are used as citations but I guess they deserve to be in (some) list, for those who want to search citations for a particular game. Here I have a short list with IT news websites. I have no idea if they are already part of some checklist in another WikiProject:
gizmodo.com - engadget.com - fudzilla.com - geek.com - cnet.com - theregister.co.uk - theinquirer.net - arstechnica.com - tgdaily.com - news.softpedia.com - eetimes.com - reghardware.co.uk - electronista.com - gearlog.com - zdnet.com - techpowerup.com - itwire.com - pcper.com - pcpro.co.uk - pcplus.co.uk - techreport.com - techspot.com - techcrunch.com - internetnews.com - eweek.com - popularmechanics.com - wired.com - amdzone.com - googleblog.blogspot.com - securityfocus.com - boingboing.net - copyblogger.com - wugnet.com
— Ark25 ( talk) 01:01, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
Considering the acknowledgment by Nintendo of the site, is it possible for it to be of use for fact-based information in EarthBound-related information? - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 21:52, 20 September 2013 (UTC)