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So I've initially raised this concern in the Krasna Hora talk page, but I guess this is a more appropriate place to ask about it as it potentially impacts hundreds of articles. I've just checked a similar discussion from 30 November 2023 and the classification changes still seemed inconclusive back then (no change in practice). Therefore, I'll quote my original concern:
@Ykvach: Do you have proof/evidence that Krasna Hora would now be considered a "rural settlement" and not a "village"? Because from what I understood from the new, late 2023, law is that a settlement with less than 5k people would become a village. By the way, did any specific change even become official? Because it's one thing to approve a new principle, it's another to implement it in reality. We should at least have a total number of villages and rural settlements under this new classification. Otherwise this would seem like
WP:OR, sadly.
Alternativelly, is it too early to make such massive changes throughout Wikipedia? Alexis Coutinho ( talk) ping me 21:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Ymblanter and Ykvach: By the way, isn't the new classification not recognized in Russian controlled territories? Alexis Coutinho ( talk) ping me 20:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
not mention the settlement types prominently in the first placeHow should we write the first sentence of the articles though? Because they're mostly: "[place name] is a [settlement_type] in [administrative subdivisions], Ukraine." Should we just say the generic settlement in the first place and then go deeper somewhere else?
but I think it might be useful to double-check what exactly the Russian classifications are.Do you mean in Russia or Donbas? I think that if we simply say they don't recognize the new law, then we can get away with simply implying that whatever was the old type still stands, unless they themselves have changed it since. Alexis Coutinho ( talk) ping me 17:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
Should we just say the generic settlement in the first place and then go deeper somewhere else?
Do you mean in Russia or Donbas?I was under the impression Russia mostly adopted the laws of the LPR and DPR when it annexed those regions. You're probably right that the specifics aren't that important here. HappyWith ( talk) 16:04, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
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Best wishes, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ( talk to me!/ my edits) 07:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Are there any specific guidelines, policies, or precedents on whether or not I should include the Russian spelling of location names? If I'm creating a new article on a village, for example, should I include "Something ( Ukrainian: щось; Russian: Что-нибудь) is a village..."? Thanks! – Primium ( talk) 18:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Relevant foreign language names (one used by at least 10% of sources in the English language or that is used by a group of people which used to inhabit this geographical place) are permitted. Of course "relevance" is somewhat subjective. I would add the Russian name either if it has been commonly used in English (like Odessa) or if the locality has been occupied and annexed by Russia in which case the Russian name is clearly used by the inhabitants. Alaexis ¿question? 19:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sloboda#Requested move 22 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 10:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Historical background of the 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Rsk6400 ( talk) 13:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
I've created an article for Andrii Hnatov. I notice that quite a few sources also transliterate his name as "Andriy Hnatov" (and I've also seen "Andriy Gnatov" and "Andrii Gnatov" used in several places). Which is correct? Or are there multiple different transliteration systems that are equally valid? — The Anome ( talk) 12:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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So I've initially raised this concern in the Krasna Hora talk page, but I guess this is a more appropriate place to ask about it as it potentially impacts hundreds of articles. I've just checked a similar discussion from 30 November 2023 and the classification changes still seemed inconclusive back then (no change in practice). Therefore, I'll quote my original concern:
@Ykvach: Do you have proof/evidence that Krasna Hora would now be considered a "rural settlement" and not a "village"? Because from what I understood from the new, late 2023, law is that a settlement with less than 5k people would become a village. By the way, did any specific change even become official? Because it's one thing to approve a new principle, it's another to implement it in reality. We should at least have a total number of villages and rural settlements under this new classification. Otherwise this would seem like
WP:OR, sadly.
Alternativelly, is it too early to make such massive changes throughout Wikipedia? Alexis Coutinho ( talk) ping me 21:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Ymblanter and Ykvach: By the way, isn't the new classification not recognized in Russian controlled territories? Alexis Coutinho ( talk) ping me 20:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
not mention the settlement types prominently in the first placeHow should we write the first sentence of the articles though? Because they're mostly: "[place name] is a [settlement_type] in [administrative subdivisions], Ukraine." Should we just say the generic settlement in the first place and then go deeper somewhere else?
but I think it might be useful to double-check what exactly the Russian classifications are.Do you mean in Russia or Donbas? I think that if we simply say they don't recognize the new law, then we can get away with simply implying that whatever was the old type still stands, unless they themselves have changed it since. Alexis Coutinho ( talk) ping me 17:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
Should we just say the generic settlement in the first place and then go deeper somewhere else?
Do you mean in Russia or Donbas?I was under the impression Russia mostly adopted the laws of the LPR and DPR when it annexed those regions. You're probably right that the specifics aren't that important here. HappyWith ( talk) 16:04, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Starting this July, we will see a new contest on the scene - the Developing Countries WikiContest ( WP:DCWC)! Think of it as a WikiCup but only for articles and media on developing countries.
Competitors may submit GAs, GTs, FAs, FTs, FLs, FPs, and DYK and ITN entries from/on developing countries to gain points and climb the leaderboard. Points are also awarded to those who review GAs, FAs and FLs.
Ukraine is listed as a developing country for the purposes of this contest and articles related to it are eligible to be submitted for points, so I encourage everyone here to sign up and compete with editors from around the world to create high-quality content!
Append your name to the DCWC signup page today!
Best wishes, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ( talk to me!/ my edits) 07:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Are there any specific guidelines, policies, or precedents on whether or not I should include the Russian spelling of location names? If I'm creating a new article on a village, for example, should I include "Something ( Ukrainian: щось; Russian: Что-нибудь) is a village..."? Thanks! – Primium ( talk) 18:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Relevant foreign language names (one used by at least 10% of sources in the English language or that is used by a group of people which used to inhabit this geographical place) are permitted. Of course "relevance" is somewhat subjective. I would add the Russian name either if it has been commonly used in English (like Odessa) or if the locality has been occupied and annexed by Russia in which case the Russian name is clearly used by the inhabitants. Alaexis ¿question? 19:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sloboda#Requested move 22 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 10:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Historical background of the 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Rsk6400 ( talk) 13:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
I've created an article for Andrii Hnatov. I notice that quite a few sources also transliterate his name as "Andriy Hnatov" (and I've also seen "Andriy Gnatov" and "Andrii Gnatov" used in several places). Which is correct? Or are there multiple different transliteration systems that are equally valid? — The Anome ( talk) 12:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC)