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{{User:Pratyya Ghosh/ STiki Leaderboard Userbox}}
Done -- Added the "leaderboard position" version and a "classification count" version. See them at
Wikipedia:STiki#Userboxes.2C_awards.2C_and_miscellania and note the opt-in instructions to make sure you get the dynamic updates (or ignore them for a static version, I suppose). Thanks,
West.andrew.g (
talk)
01:26, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Just wondered what people's opinions on this are?
{{User:Matty.007/Stiki Over 1000 Userbox}}.
Thanks, Mat ty. 007 13:50, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
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Which version of Java does this require to work? It doesn't seem to open with Java 7 Update 11. -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 12:18, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
I have rollback and reviewer rights plus enough wiki experience (article editing, watching and verifying edits and changes). I think STiki will be a useful tool for me. Please grant me access to STiki. Thanks. Zyma ( talk) 20:31, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Started and I got this error. I think it's because of port blocking by my ISP. Is there anyway to change STiki port (3306 to another unblocked port)? Or other troubleshooting? Zyma ( talk) 19:28, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Why'd you remove the box? I thought of it as an easier way to request for access. -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 22:28, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Today's milestone listing showed a user with 5000 STiki edits... but they only have 4010 overall edits. How is this possible? -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 05:58, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Greetings. I have rollback rights and, among other tasks, patrol recent changes. I came here to request access to STiki, but have just seen from an earlier post on this talkpage that rollbackers apparently don't need to formalise a request. If that's the case, please consider this a courtesy call, together with a thankyou for making this necessary tool available. Cheers! -- Technopat ( talk) 12:32, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello, most of my contributions are based on reverting the original content and to keep the pages up to accurate announcements and notices, i would love to be a part of helping team. I always try to keep everything im involved accurate and user friendly, thats why im requesting this. Thanks in advance ( (Argento1985) 13:36, 11 June 2013 (UTC))
+1 for the idea, I can't use STiki at school currently because MySQL is blocked. -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 08:49, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I reverted an edit (see here), and was surprised that STiki didn't automatically welcome new users, such as (I think) Twinkle does. Would it be feasible to have an automatic welcome of new users whose edits have had to be reverted? Thanks, Mat ty. 007 18:52, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
I would like permissions to use STiki please. . .I love the value of information I am able to get from Wikipedia. For nearly 5 or 6 years now, I have used Wikipedia almost daily to look up anything I can imagine. Lately, in the last few weeks/months I've gotten much more serious about Wikipedia, as I came to appreciate just how important keeping the articles as up to date and accurate is. Thank you for your time. EzPz ( talk) 19:53, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Greetings STiki Team. I just did a quick search through the archives to see if other users had reported similar hiccups/hiccoughs, but everybody's circs. are their own, so am raising mine. My first few incursions with STiki ran perfectly smoothly (it's always taken a few seconds for the system to kick in, but I took that for granted), but the last half dozen times that I've logged on, the tool has started freezing/hanging after a while (I'd say around 20 minutes, but I've never actually timed it). It's no big deal, 'cos I just log out and log back on again, but thought I'd bring it up in case it's a solvable.
Now that I'm here, another thing is that when I click on "Current page" in "Edit Properties" I get sent to a non-logged-in version of the Wikipedia page. Again, it's no big deal 'cos I just log in, but one does aim for that time-and-motion and/or user-friendly efficiency :) BTW, if I haven't already done so, I'd also like to thank you for making this great tool available to the community. Cheers! -- Technopat ( talk) 11:33, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
(outdent) Thanks for that. I'll check it out now. If it's as simple as that, I won't be back to bother y'all, so thanks again. Cheers! -- Technopat ( talk) 18:57, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Just about a day or so ago, STiki crossed the 1 million classification threshold! It was the review of this edit by User:Widr (which he classified as "innocent") which was precisely number one million. The fact our current revert count sits at around 332k also indicates that STiki has had around a 33% "revert rate" throughout its existence (highly unscientific!). This is an accomplishment that speaks to the contributions of all members of the STiki community, and I hope to have your continued support as we reach for 500k reverts and beyond! Thanks, West.andrew.g ( talk) 13:50, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Hey! I've been using STiki a lot these days and the software is amazing. I saw that some of the edits IPs made we constructive. Now, giving credit where credit is due, I suggest we add a feature to thank such IPs for their contribution and welcome them to Wikipedia. Suggestions welcome! — Avenue X at Cicero ( t · c) sends his regards @ 14:43, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Putting aside last month's queue hanging issue, I've had a number problems using the CBNG metadata; old edits (as old as 460+ days) after leaving an edit unclassified for a specific period of time (approx 2-4 mins, this does not happen with the STiki metadata), and a lower vandalism catch rate when compared to the STiki metadata. What gives? hmssolent\ You rang? ship's log 02:49, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Just fired up STiki this morning and the CBNG queue has started showing up 400+ day old edits again - all being constructive edits. None of the edits I've received are anywhere below 24hrs. What's going on? hmssolent\ You rang? ship's log 03:22, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi everyone - new STiki user here. Is there a way to determine how other STiki users have classified edits that I pass on? It seems like it would improve the learning curve. If there isn't, and other editors think it would be useful, please consider this a request. :-) Arc de Ciel ( talk) 08:00, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Also, how should I treat edits which are unconstructive but already reverted, or which I changed through the normal interface because I didn't think any of the four options applied? Thanks. Arc de Ciel ( talk) 08:00, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Hey I've got proposals.
Can't we give awards to the users who've made most STiki classified edits in 1 Month? I have a suggestion here. It's like this.
![]() |
The Tireless Contributor +
STiki Barnstar
|
![]() |
Congratulations, STiki! You're receiving this barnstar because you've made {{{1}}} classification threshold using STiki in July,2024. We thank you both for your contributions to Wikipedia at-large and your use of the tool. We hope you continue your ascent up the leaderboard and stay in touch at the talk page. Thank you and keep up the good work! West.andrew.g (developer) and ~~~~ |
{{User:Pratyya Ghosh/STiki Tireless Contributors Barnstar}}
You need to add the count by posting like this.
{{User:Pratyya Ghosh/STiki Tireless Contributors Barnstar|3000}}
will produce this.
![]() |
The Tireless Contributor +
STiki Barnstar
|
![]() |
Congratulations, STiki! You're receiving this barnstar because you've made 3000 classification threshold using STiki in July,2024. We thank you both for your contributions to Wikipedia at-large and your use of the tool. We hope you continue your ascent up the leaderboard and stay in touch at the talk page. Thank you and keep up the good work! West.andrew.g (developer) and ~~~~ |
It'll be start from the first of the month. I mean Date 1 and will end at the last of the month What's your opinion?
Why don't we have the count of Innocent Classified edits in the leaderboard?
My suggestion is we should have like this. The innocent edit count will be in a different column and will show X%(Y edits) X,Y is not a count
What's your opinion? -- Pratyya (Hello!) 11:15, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
Andrew, I'm getting a complete failure to connect to the STiki backend on two different networks. I checked my internet connection (obviously), port 3306 is open to the best of my knowledge, I'm not seeing an update to the software, so this leads me to believe that something is down on the STiki server end. Just wanted to notify you of this. Please let me know if I'm completely wrong. As you know, I use STiki very frequently, though, and I haven't made any firewall adjustments... -- Jackson Peebles ( talk) 04:41, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
A power failure in the server room is to blame (partially the fault of this heat wave, I have to imagine). My contacts estimate everything should be back online within two hours, and I'll set about regenerating the awards and all that stuff fairly quickly. Thanks, West.andrew.g ( talk) 14:24, 19 July 2013 (UTC) Link title
The problem seems to be back. Widr ( talk) 12:51, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
It's working for me now. Insulam Simia ( talk) 16:56, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Done -- I brought the server back up ~8 hours ago. However, the most recent power loss seems to have occurred when STiki was writing to the database. This corrupted the indices on some tables. I am assuming this is what caused the weird/old edits being popped from the queue. A repair action was successful, but I assume it locked the database while it worked, and this is why some people were reporting subsequent difficulty. All works fine for me as of this moment and all statistical updates have been conducted. I also switched network managers on the machine in the hope the machine will come back online more smoothly in the future (it auto-restarts from a power perspective, but the network connection has been the fail point recently).
West.andrew.g (
talk)
23:38, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
I guess these recent issues are an argument to move the STiki server on to a Foundation-run machine. e.g. at Wikimedia Labs. The Foundation seems to be able to run a less interrupted service.
Another argument is favour is that it might make it easier to do a non-English STiki. (Obviously there would be other obstacles to that, but one less obstacle is good).
Is there currently an obstacle to moving the STiki server onto a Wikimedia Labs machine? e.g. Do you have an account with them, Andrew?
Yaris678 ( talk) 12:23, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Andrew. As one of the regular admins who work at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rollback for the past couple of years, I'm beginning to feel some concern for the accord of use of Stki. We get requests for the Rollback right from editors who are already using Stiki, but who clearly are still not aware what constitutes vandalism and/or what Rollback and Stiki may be used for. I realise that there may be other criteria for obtaining the use of Stiki, but I have been declining too many applications for Rollback form Stiki users for comfort. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 08:42, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
I have 1070+ mainspace edits, and I'm dealing with vandalism for a fairly long time. Can I use STiki now for reversion of vandalism?-- Ascetic Rosé 14:58, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
I have been thinking about what Andrew said at Wikipedia talk:STiki/Archive 11#CBNG queue. We were discussing the possibility of having a whitelist based on access level (e.g. admins or admins and reviewers). Andrew said
Do we imagine this simple permission rule being the most effective? We're often so concerned with identifying features that best identify vandalism, that we rarely consider the opposite viewpoint (i.e., what features best identify innocent edits) -- as these are not strictly complementary/negation sets.
I think the best way to investigate this is to do a plot similar to Figure 6.5 from Andrew's dissertation. The plots to the right show the sort of thing I mean.
These plots show how the actual revert rate differs from the calculated probability of being vandalism. You could take the raw probabilities from STiki or CBNG or take them after they have been modified for time enqueued. It would be worth doing separate plots for the STiki and CBNG probabilities as I suspect that the CBNG ones will show more change.
The second of the two plots uses a very basic and easy to calculate measure of the experience of a registered user: The minimum of the number of edits and the account age in days. Obviously, there are variations on this, such as min(num edits, 2*account age (days))
or min(num edits to NS0, account age (days))
. But I suspect the measure given will be pretty good.
Another thing you could do while in the database is see what proportion of classified edits are by Rollbackers etc and work this out for different calculated vandalism probabilities. I suspect you will find that for a calculated probability of 80% the proportion of rollbackers will be very low but for a calculated probability of 5% it will fairly low but significant. This would imply that filtering out rollbackers etc. adds more value as the popularity of STiki increases and the number of low-probability edits being inspected increases too. Then again, maybe the proportion is always very low and its just that people remember such instances when they happen. This is why looking at the data is good. We may find that filtering by access level isn't worth the CPU cycles but filtering by min(num edits, account age (days))
is.
Going beyond whitelists, I can imagine queue prioritisation based on something that multiplies the CBNG probability by some function of some measure of experience would be an improvement. A figure like "Revert rate by number of edits or account age" would tell you if this is worthwhile and would also indicate what function to use.
Yaris678 ( talk) 18:40, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi! I read your dissertation after it was mentioned in this week's "Signpost", and that set me thinking.
For over two years now I've been checking the recent changes feed for the "help" and "portal" namespaces. No bots patrol those edits, and I *think* I am the only editor checking them systematically. So when I check in at 6-7am in the morning (I'm in the UK), it's not unusual to find that highly-visible pages have been overwritten hours ago with stuff that ClueBot would have reverted from articles in seconds.
Now, Cluebot won't touch pages outside the main namespace because it hasn't been trained. Could these edits be fed into the STiki queues somehow?
Here are examples of my reverts in the Portal and Help namespaces.
One "gotcha" is that the page view statistics are not reliable for portal sub-pages. For example, the statistics for Portal:Technology/Intro claim that it is viewed very rarely, but it is actually transcluded into Portal:Technology and is viewed 2000 times a day.
Thoughts? -- John of Reading ( talk) 08:58, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
I have been notified by network administrators that there will planned network downtime on Friday, August 16th, between 7 AM and 10 AM (Eastern time of the United States, i.e., NYC time). This should be a decent opportunity to test the machine's ability to bring itself back online. I will be watching the status and my contact in PHL is also aware of the possibility things might not go as planned (in which case transitioning to Labs infrastructure will gain some priority on my TODO list). Thanks, West.andrew.g ( talk) 17:32, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
I see some editors making hundreds of reverts in a day or two using your tool (mostly edits by IPs, by the way) and I'm left with some questions:
69.125.134.86 ( talk) 18:16, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Anything unusual going on, or is it really that no-one has passed a milestone in the last 6 days? Just thought it was a bit mysterious. -- t numbermaniac c 07:16, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Hey Andrew, have you considered WP:FULL protecting the main project page Wikipedia:STiki which has the download link? Just so that no one goes and changes it on you to something undesirable. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 01:22, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Unable to connect, internet is working fine over here. Just thought I'd report this, cheers — MusikAnimal talk 16:26, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Done - Back online and running smoothly, it appears. Thanks,
West.andrew.g (
talk)
21:19, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
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{{User:Pratyya Ghosh/ STiki Leaderboard Userbox}}
Done -- Added the "leaderboard position" version and a "classification count" version. See them at
Wikipedia:STiki#Userboxes.2C_awards.2C_and_miscellania and note the opt-in instructions to make sure you get the dynamic updates (or ignore them for a static version, I suppose). Thanks,
West.andrew.g (
talk)
01:26, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Just wondered what people's opinions on this are?
{{User:Matty.007/Stiki Over 1000 Userbox}}.
Thanks, Mat ty. 007 13:50, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
![]() | This user has made over 1000 contributions using STiki! |
Which version of Java does this require to work? It doesn't seem to open with Java 7 Update 11. -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 12:18, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
I have rollback and reviewer rights plus enough wiki experience (article editing, watching and verifying edits and changes). I think STiki will be a useful tool for me. Please grant me access to STiki. Thanks. Zyma ( talk) 20:31, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Started and I got this error. I think it's because of port blocking by my ISP. Is there anyway to change STiki port (3306 to another unblocked port)? Or other troubleshooting? Zyma ( talk) 19:28, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Why'd you remove the box? I thought of it as an easier way to request for access. -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 22:28, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Today's milestone listing showed a user with 5000 STiki edits... but they only have 4010 overall edits. How is this possible? -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 05:58, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Greetings. I have rollback rights and, among other tasks, patrol recent changes. I came here to request access to STiki, but have just seen from an earlier post on this talkpage that rollbackers apparently don't need to formalise a request. If that's the case, please consider this a courtesy call, together with a thankyou for making this necessary tool available. Cheers! -- Technopat ( talk) 12:32, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello, most of my contributions are based on reverting the original content and to keep the pages up to accurate announcements and notices, i would love to be a part of helping team. I always try to keep everything im involved accurate and user friendly, thats why im requesting this. Thanks in advance ( (Argento1985) 13:36, 11 June 2013 (UTC))
+1 for the idea, I can't use STiki at school currently because MySQL is blocked. -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 08:49, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I reverted an edit (see here), and was surprised that STiki didn't automatically welcome new users, such as (I think) Twinkle does. Would it be feasible to have an automatic welcome of new users whose edits have had to be reverted? Thanks, Mat ty. 007 18:52, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
I would like permissions to use STiki please. . .I love the value of information I am able to get from Wikipedia. For nearly 5 or 6 years now, I have used Wikipedia almost daily to look up anything I can imagine. Lately, in the last few weeks/months I've gotten much more serious about Wikipedia, as I came to appreciate just how important keeping the articles as up to date and accurate is. Thank you for your time. EzPz ( talk) 19:53, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Greetings STiki Team. I just did a quick search through the archives to see if other users had reported similar hiccups/hiccoughs, but everybody's circs. are their own, so am raising mine. My first few incursions with STiki ran perfectly smoothly (it's always taken a few seconds for the system to kick in, but I took that for granted), but the last half dozen times that I've logged on, the tool has started freezing/hanging after a while (I'd say around 20 minutes, but I've never actually timed it). It's no big deal, 'cos I just log out and log back on again, but thought I'd bring it up in case it's a solvable.
Now that I'm here, another thing is that when I click on "Current page" in "Edit Properties" I get sent to a non-logged-in version of the Wikipedia page. Again, it's no big deal 'cos I just log in, but one does aim for that time-and-motion and/or user-friendly efficiency :) BTW, if I haven't already done so, I'd also like to thank you for making this great tool available to the community. Cheers! -- Technopat ( talk) 11:33, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
(outdent) Thanks for that. I'll check it out now. If it's as simple as that, I won't be back to bother y'all, so thanks again. Cheers! -- Technopat ( talk) 18:57, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Just about a day or so ago, STiki crossed the 1 million classification threshold! It was the review of this edit by User:Widr (which he classified as "innocent") which was precisely number one million. The fact our current revert count sits at around 332k also indicates that STiki has had around a 33% "revert rate" throughout its existence (highly unscientific!). This is an accomplishment that speaks to the contributions of all members of the STiki community, and I hope to have your continued support as we reach for 500k reverts and beyond! Thanks, West.andrew.g ( talk) 13:50, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Hey! I've been using STiki a lot these days and the software is amazing. I saw that some of the edits IPs made we constructive. Now, giving credit where credit is due, I suggest we add a feature to thank such IPs for their contribution and welcome them to Wikipedia. Suggestions welcome! — Avenue X at Cicero ( t · c) sends his regards @ 14:43, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Putting aside last month's queue hanging issue, I've had a number problems using the CBNG metadata; old edits (as old as 460+ days) after leaving an edit unclassified for a specific period of time (approx 2-4 mins, this does not happen with the STiki metadata), and a lower vandalism catch rate when compared to the STiki metadata. What gives? hmssolent\ You rang? ship's log 02:49, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Just fired up STiki this morning and the CBNG queue has started showing up 400+ day old edits again - all being constructive edits. None of the edits I've received are anywhere below 24hrs. What's going on? hmssolent\ You rang? ship's log 03:22, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi everyone - new STiki user here. Is there a way to determine how other STiki users have classified edits that I pass on? It seems like it would improve the learning curve. If there isn't, and other editors think it would be useful, please consider this a request. :-) Arc de Ciel ( talk) 08:00, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Also, how should I treat edits which are unconstructive but already reverted, or which I changed through the normal interface because I didn't think any of the four options applied? Thanks. Arc de Ciel ( talk) 08:00, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Hey I've got proposals.
Can't we give awards to the users who've made most STiki classified edits in 1 Month? I have a suggestion here. It's like this.
![]() |
The Tireless Contributor +
STiki Barnstar
|
![]() |
Congratulations, STiki! You're receiving this barnstar because you've made {{{1}}} classification threshold using STiki in July,2024. We thank you both for your contributions to Wikipedia at-large and your use of the tool. We hope you continue your ascent up the leaderboard and stay in touch at the talk page. Thank you and keep up the good work! West.andrew.g (developer) and ~~~~ |
{{User:Pratyya Ghosh/STiki Tireless Contributors Barnstar}}
You need to add the count by posting like this.
{{User:Pratyya Ghosh/STiki Tireless Contributors Barnstar|3000}}
will produce this.
![]() |
The Tireless Contributor +
STiki Barnstar
|
![]() |
Congratulations, STiki! You're receiving this barnstar because you've made 3000 classification threshold using STiki in July,2024. We thank you both for your contributions to Wikipedia at-large and your use of the tool. We hope you continue your ascent up the leaderboard and stay in touch at the talk page. Thank you and keep up the good work! West.andrew.g (developer) and ~~~~ |
It'll be start from the first of the month. I mean Date 1 and will end at the last of the month What's your opinion?
Why don't we have the count of Innocent Classified edits in the leaderboard?
My suggestion is we should have like this. The innocent edit count will be in a different column and will show X%(Y edits) X,Y is not a count
What's your opinion? -- Pratyya (Hello!) 11:15, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
Andrew, I'm getting a complete failure to connect to the STiki backend on two different networks. I checked my internet connection (obviously), port 3306 is open to the best of my knowledge, I'm not seeing an update to the software, so this leads me to believe that something is down on the STiki server end. Just wanted to notify you of this. Please let me know if I'm completely wrong. As you know, I use STiki very frequently, though, and I haven't made any firewall adjustments... -- Jackson Peebles ( talk) 04:41, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
A power failure in the server room is to blame (partially the fault of this heat wave, I have to imagine). My contacts estimate everything should be back online within two hours, and I'll set about regenerating the awards and all that stuff fairly quickly. Thanks, West.andrew.g ( talk) 14:24, 19 July 2013 (UTC) Link title
The problem seems to be back. Widr ( talk) 12:51, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
It's working for me now. Insulam Simia ( talk) 16:56, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Done -- I brought the server back up ~8 hours ago. However, the most recent power loss seems to have occurred when STiki was writing to the database. This corrupted the indices on some tables. I am assuming this is what caused the weird/old edits being popped from the queue. A repair action was successful, but I assume it locked the database while it worked, and this is why some people were reporting subsequent difficulty. All works fine for me as of this moment and all statistical updates have been conducted. I also switched network managers on the machine in the hope the machine will come back online more smoothly in the future (it auto-restarts from a power perspective, but the network connection has been the fail point recently).
West.andrew.g (
talk)
23:38, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
I guess these recent issues are an argument to move the STiki server on to a Foundation-run machine. e.g. at Wikimedia Labs. The Foundation seems to be able to run a less interrupted service.
Another argument is favour is that it might make it easier to do a non-English STiki. (Obviously there would be other obstacles to that, but one less obstacle is good).
Is there currently an obstacle to moving the STiki server onto a Wikimedia Labs machine? e.g. Do you have an account with them, Andrew?
Yaris678 ( talk) 12:23, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Andrew. As one of the regular admins who work at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rollback for the past couple of years, I'm beginning to feel some concern for the accord of use of Stki. We get requests for the Rollback right from editors who are already using Stiki, but who clearly are still not aware what constitutes vandalism and/or what Rollback and Stiki may be used for. I realise that there may be other criteria for obtaining the use of Stiki, but I have been declining too many applications for Rollback form Stiki users for comfort. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 08:42, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
I have 1070+ mainspace edits, and I'm dealing with vandalism for a fairly long time. Can I use STiki now for reversion of vandalism?-- Ascetic Rosé 14:58, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
I have been thinking about what Andrew said at Wikipedia talk:STiki/Archive 11#CBNG queue. We were discussing the possibility of having a whitelist based on access level (e.g. admins or admins and reviewers). Andrew said
Do we imagine this simple permission rule being the most effective? We're often so concerned with identifying features that best identify vandalism, that we rarely consider the opposite viewpoint (i.e., what features best identify innocent edits) -- as these are not strictly complementary/negation sets.
I think the best way to investigate this is to do a plot similar to Figure 6.5 from Andrew's dissertation. The plots to the right show the sort of thing I mean.
These plots show how the actual revert rate differs from the calculated probability of being vandalism. You could take the raw probabilities from STiki or CBNG or take them after they have been modified for time enqueued. It would be worth doing separate plots for the STiki and CBNG probabilities as I suspect that the CBNG ones will show more change.
The second of the two plots uses a very basic and easy to calculate measure of the experience of a registered user: The minimum of the number of edits and the account age in days. Obviously, there are variations on this, such as min(num edits, 2*account age (days))
or min(num edits to NS0, account age (days))
. But I suspect the measure given will be pretty good.
Another thing you could do while in the database is see what proportion of classified edits are by Rollbackers etc and work this out for different calculated vandalism probabilities. I suspect you will find that for a calculated probability of 80% the proportion of rollbackers will be very low but for a calculated probability of 5% it will fairly low but significant. This would imply that filtering out rollbackers etc. adds more value as the popularity of STiki increases and the number of low-probability edits being inspected increases too. Then again, maybe the proportion is always very low and its just that people remember such instances when they happen. This is why looking at the data is good. We may find that filtering by access level isn't worth the CPU cycles but filtering by min(num edits, account age (days))
is.
Going beyond whitelists, I can imagine queue prioritisation based on something that multiplies the CBNG probability by some function of some measure of experience would be an improvement. A figure like "Revert rate by number of edits or account age" would tell you if this is worthwhile and would also indicate what function to use.
Yaris678 ( talk) 18:40, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi! I read your dissertation after it was mentioned in this week's "Signpost", and that set me thinking.
For over two years now I've been checking the recent changes feed for the "help" and "portal" namespaces. No bots patrol those edits, and I *think* I am the only editor checking them systematically. So when I check in at 6-7am in the morning (I'm in the UK), it's not unusual to find that highly-visible pages have been overwritten hours ago with stuff that ClueBot would have reverted from articles in seconds.
Now, Cluebot won't touch pages outside the main namespace because it hasn't been trained. Could these edits be fed into the STiki queues somehow?
Here are examples of my reverts in the Portal and Help namespaces.
One "gotcha" is that the page view statistics are not reliable for portal sub-pages. For example, the statistics for Portal:Technology/Intro claim that it is viewed very rarely, but it is actually transcluded into Portal:Technology and is viewed 2000 times a day.
Thoughts? -- John of Reading ( talk) 08:58, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
I have been notified by network administrators that there will planned network downtime on Friday, August 16th, between 7 AM and 10 AM (Eastern time of the United States, i.e., NYC time). This should be a decent opportunity to test the machine's ability to bring itself back online. I will be watching the status and my contact in PHL is also aware of the possibility things might not go as planned (in which case transitioning to Labs infrastructure will gain some priority on my TODO list). Thanks, West.andrew.g ( talk) 17:32, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
I see some editors making hundreds of reverts in a day or two using your tool (mostly edits by IPs, by the way) and I'm left with some questions:
69.125.134.86 ( talk) 18:16, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Anything unusual going on, or is it really that no-one has passed a milestone in the last 6 days? Just thought it was a bit mysterious. -- t numbermaniac c 07:16, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Hey Andrew, have you considered WP:FULL protecting the main project page Wikipedia:STiki which has the download link? Just so that no one goes and changes it on you to something undesirable. -- Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 01:22, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Unable to connect, internet is working fine over here. Just thought I'd report this, cheers — MusikAnimal talk 16:26, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Done - Back online and running smoothly, it appears. Thanks,
West.andrew.g (
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21:19, 16 August 2013 (UTC)