Hello, all, I've boldly re-located this from Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) because it's already well above 100,000 bytes long, and it just started a day and a half ago. Pinging as many people as I noticed, so you all know where this RFC ended up:
User:Moabdave, User:Imzadi1979, User talk:Rschen7754, User:Kahastok, User:BilledMammal, User:Fredddie, User:Licks-rocks, User:Justinkunimune, User:Jc3s5h, User:Dough4872, User:Floydian, User:Selfstudier, User:Guerillero, User:ActivelyDisinterested, User:Horse Eye's Back, User talk:Viridiscalculus, User:Sammy D III, User:Epicgenius, User:Tcr25, User:Ɱ, User:Choess, User:Pburka, User:Kerry Raymond, User:JoelleJay, User:Scott5114, User:Andrew Davidson, User:Mxn, User:The ed17, User:Mx. Granger, User:Gusfriend, User:RoySmith, User:S Marshall, User:Jim.henderson. Apologies to whomever I missed (and please ping them if you figure out the missing editors). WhatamIdoing ( talk) 02:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
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WhatamIdoing (
talk) 04:42, 22 March 2023 (UTC)I strongly object to the use of this RFC as a vehicle for determining notability of geographical features. This RFC was never advertised as having to do with notability at any of the venues it was crossposted to, and the proposals are coming almost a week into the RFC. I believe they should be closed. Rs chen 7754 03:38, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
It has been revealed that this proposal was developed through off-wiki collaboration in an undisclosed forum.
While off-wiki collaboration to write an RfC is not explicitly against policy, it is generally discouraged as antithetical to the open nature of Wikipedia, and the fact that it was done by two admins, who are held to a higher standard of behavior than a general editor, is disappointing.
It becomes a potential policy violation because of statements made by Rschen7754, who disclosed that they have a secret strategy, which this proposal is part of, to bring about an increase in the number of road articles on Wikipedia. They have provided no explanation for how this RfC is supposed to bring that about, and hiding this information from other editors does not align with policies to articulate honest motives, as well as ensuring that editors cannot fully understand what they are !voting on.
This off-wiki communication also invites concerns about convert canvassing; if this forum extends beyond the three editors involved in drafting this RfC then posting a notification to it of the opening of this RfC would violate that policy; requests to say whether the forum was notified was ignored, while a request to list the members who were part of the forum was refused.
When Rschen7754 was asked if they would be willing to share the communication with ArbCom, to ensure that everything was aboveboard, they reverted the question without response. BilledMammal ( talk) 03:55, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
The inclusion of a man-made geographical feature on maps or in directories is insufficient to establish topic notabilitywould apply to roads after the re-factor but not before. (I don't agree with this analysis). Rschen7754 gave some examples of deletion discussions where this may have come up. I came to Rschen's talk page to say that I couldn't find examples he was talking about. I was trying to convince Rschen7754 that the issue with road notability wasn't that sentence in WP:GEOFEAT but poor wording of WP:GEOROAD. Rschen did not seem to want to discuss WP:GEOROAD, so I gave up and was planning to go back and make generic (non-road-related) arguments at WT:NGEO. North8000 also seemed to think that my proposed refactor was more than tidying. I got distracted by other Wikitasks, so never pursued the discussion.
Hello, all, I've boldly re-located this from Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) because it's already well above 100,000 bytes long, and it just started a day and a half ago. Pinging as many people as I noticed, so you all know where this RFC ended up:
User:Moabdave, User:Imzadi1979, User talk:Rschen7754, User:Kahastok, User:BilledMammal, User:Fredddie, User:Licks-rocks, User:Justinkunimune, User:Jc3s5h, User:Dough4872, User:Floydian, User:Selfstudier, User:Guerillero, User:ActivelyDisinterested, User:Horse Eye's Back, User talk:Viridiscalculus, User:Sammy D III, User:Epicgenius, User:Tcr25, User:Ɱ, User:Choess, User:Pburka, User:Kerry Raymond, User:JoelleJay, User:Scott5114, User:Andrew Davidson, User:Mxn, User:The ed17, User:Mx. Granger, User:Gusfriend, User:RoySmith, User:S Marshall, User:Jim.henderson. Apologies to whomever I missed (and please ping them if you figure out the missing editors). WhatamIdoing ( talk) 02:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
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WhatamIdoing (
talk) 04:42, 22 March 2023 (UTC)I strongly object to the use of this RFC as a vehicle for determining notability of geographical features. This RFC was never advertised as having to do with notability at any of the venues it was crossposted to, and the proposals are coming almost a week into the RFC. I believe they should be closed. Rs chen 7754 03:38, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
It has been revealed that this proposal was developed through off-wiki collaboration in an undisclosed forum.
While off-wiki collaboration to write an RfC is not explicitly against policy, it is generally discouraged as antithetical to the open nature of Wikipedia, and the fact that it was done by two admins, who are held to a higher standard of behavior than a general editor, is disappointing.
It becomes a potential policy violation because of statements made by Rschen7754, who disclosed that they have a secret strategy, which this proposal is part of, to bring about an increase in the number of road articles on Wikipedia. They have provided no explanation for how this RfC is supposed to bring that about, and hiding this information from other editors does not align with policies to articulate honest motives, as well as ensuring that editors cannot fully understand what they are !voting on.
This off-wiki communication also invites concerns about convert canvassing; if this forum extends beyond the three editors involved in drafting this RfC then posting a notification to it of the opening of this RfC would violate that policy; requests to say whether the forum was notified was ignored, while a request to list the members who were part of the forum was refused.
When Rschen7754 was asked if they would be willing to share the communication with ArbCom, to ensure that everything was aboveboard, they reverted the question without response. BilledMammal ( talk) 03:55, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
The inclusion of a man-made geographical feature on maps or in directories is insufficient to establish topic notabilitywould apply to roads after the re-factor but not before. (I don't agree with this analysis). Rschen7754 gave some examples of deletion discussions where this may have come up. I came to Rschen's talk page to say that I couldn't find examples he was talking about. I was trying to convince Rschen7754 that the issue with road notability wasn't that sentence in WP:GEOFEAT but poor wording of WP:GEOROAD. Rschen did not seem to want to discuss WP:GEOROAD, so I gave up and was planning to go back and make generic (non-road-related) arguments at WT:NGEO. North8000 also seemed to think that my proposed refactor was more than tidying. I got distracted by other Wikitasks, so never pursued the discussion.