whats sock puppeting? Gabrielsimon 14:05, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Using multiple accounts pretending they are different people. ~~~~ 17:47, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
link labelled "1" on the other page, not my work, i was reverting it, and was planning on modifying it, but never got the chance to.
Gabrielsimon
14:45, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
as for links 4, 5, 6, this was the truth i was putting in, and i even tried to make it sound NPOV, other people just didnt like it. Gabrielsimon 14:48, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
its not origional reerch. check around , youll see. Gabrielsimon 20:10, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
--It is this sort of comment that I find particularly frustrating. You have done much the same thing on the Vampire and Werewolf pages--people, including me, have challenged your sourcing and you make these coy little responses like "check around; you'll see." Do you actually understand what an encyclopedia _is?_ PROVIDE CITATIONS AND REFERENCES if you are asked to back up your assertions. Your edits seem to continually degrade the quality of Wikipedia as a factual reference. If you want to advance your own POV and independent positions, you will find the Internet abounds in resources for that sort of work. Wikipedia is not one of them.-- Craigkbryant 20:17, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Moved from the project page:
theres a policey about aboidingthe use ofthe word terrorist that i was trying to go by. Gabrielsimon 22:39, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
additional comments
youll note that , if it took a while, id do agree with you on the missing sun issue, tho i beleive i took to long... if youd allow, id like to try turning over a new leaf as it were, all grudges, justand not, left behind seems ok? Gabrielsimon 05:10, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
I'd love to see a new leaf. However, this revert concerns me. There is a discussion on the Talk: Witchcraft that I'm confident you're aware of, having already participated in it. PWhittle has made a good case. You have not answered his points. Why would you make yet another revert with no summary but "rv" and no discussion on the talk page? Friday 01:01, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
as i have likly said before, tjhe word and idea of witch was not of an origion that is in the american continant , it is a european contiant, and any thoughts to show that it wasnt are misinterpretations and mistranslations. id have left out the mention of the american continents entirely, but i comprimised and inserted " after contact with Europe" instead...
Gabrielsimon
01:10, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure why you're continuing to revert so casually. In addition to the questionable Witchcraft revert mentioned above which you have still not IMO coherently explained, you're now reverting here. I'm not saying you've broken the 3RR or anything, and I hope that you don't, but I think you should consider being less aggressive in your reverts. Friday 03:34, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
dont you know thatyour jumping the gun?? damn it dude, leave me alone! your starting to annoy me.
Gabrielsimon
03:36, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Gabriel, this edit pains me greatly. When this RFC was opened, some notes were posted on talk pages of articles where you've had controversial edits, pointing to this RFC. I believe this is accepted as normal and proper. Tonite, you made a few controversial edits to Archaeology and the Book of Mormon, and you didn't seem to me like you were willing to consider compromise. So, I posted a comment on the talk page pointing people to this RFC in case anyone cared to chime in. You deleted my comment, called it a cheap shot, and said I was a nuisance. I'm afraid I must strongly protest your edit. Friday 04:42, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
you using the existance of this RFC to attampt to influcence the out come of discussions os both childish and disrespectfull, if not cowardly. im beginning to think you were the child who went running to any authority figure at any sign of discomfort, urthermore, may i r eiterate, Leave Me Alone. im getting tired of your stalkerlike behaviour.
Gabrielsimon
04:47, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
(and yes im sounding annoyed, fact is im getting tired of being followed around and bothered by friday. Gabrielsimon 04:58, 23 July 2005 (UTC))
--Gabriel, I'm sorry you take such objection to Friday's actions. But it seems to me that people decide to contribute to this project in a variety of ways. For instance, I've mostly done copy-editing in the past, and often working as an anonymous user. Other people wish to focus heavily on one or more articles or topics. Still others take an interest in the good functioning of the Wikipedia project itself--this group including administrators and the like. And Friday is participating in this fashion by systematically investigating your edits, wherever they may come. I know you don't accept the objections that a number of people have raised to your editing behavior, but Friday is of the opinion that your work damages Wikipedia, if I may make so bold as to offer a statement on his behalf. I agree with him. That is why this RFC is taking place. That is also why Friday feels it is useful of him to look at your edits in other articles, and point other people to this RFC. This seems entirely appropriate on his part, and I hope he will continue to do so. Gabriel, it is obvious you care very much about the subjects you edit on Wikipedia. I would sincerely ask you to consider the comments people have been leaving on this RFC--along with the total lack of comments in favor of the edits you have been making--and ask whether you are really operating in the spirit of the Wikipedia project.--
Craigkbryant
20:27, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
It seems to me that Gabriel is quite sincere, and simply does not understand how antisocial and disruptive his behavior is in an online community such as this. I don't believe it's an issue of malicious intent, but rather bad behavior. It's a shame, because I do believe he can make a genuinely positive contribution if he can learn how to develop his ideas from a solid foundation of references, and how to arrive at a consensus in a community of diverse backgrounds and points of view. Parker Whittle 02:04, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
i removed nothing, i insterted a cmoomnt to xplain somehing. much like this one
Gabrielsimon 00:09, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
as for the RFC page, firday misfiled something, so i removed it and told him to refuile it, and hecalls it vandalism... bit of a stretch there, yes? as for the thoer thing, i put an explaination right were one was needed, i thought, and still friday calls it vandalism... Gabrielsimon 00:14, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
in the fllwing link he claims my removing Otherkin from the RFC page is vandalism, well its not, its simply becasue its not an article about philosophy, hence my request is that it be refiled in a better spot. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment&curid=449877&diff=19678373&oldid=19678285 Gabrielsimon 00:03, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
you called it vandalism, which was very annoying, so i chose, the second time to simply change it back, because ITS not vandalism, its making you notice your mistalke, and since its not MY mistake, making you fix it... hichj you still havnt done. what do you know about good faith anyway, you delete a lot of what i do, and then just leave it. Gabrielsimon 00:25, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
i react how i am treated, nothing more. Gabrielsimon 02:29, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
i do apologize if i take things personally... but i do peide myself as being soameone whos never and shall never stoop to vandalism. Gabrielsimon 02:35, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
vandalism is defined as intentional, insulting and often degrogatory remarks, as far as i know, i have done none of that. Gabrielsimon 03:40, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
From Gabrielsimon's recent activities on several articles it is clear that he has not taken anything at all from the comments of the (currently) 15 editors endorsing the complaint to none supporting his response. If anything his actions have been even more confrontational. As one of those who certified this complaint, I want to know what the next step in the escalation process is, so we can get the ball rolling. DreamGuy 03:09, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
its clear to methat you have not read anything that doesnt suit your fancey. kindly be quiet. Gabrielsimon 03:39, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
please disregard Dreamguys supposed "evidance"... without even reading it, my guess is already that hes only half read in in some zealous and usual way to attempt to make others mad at me. Gabrielsimon 07:04, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
why should i show him civillity when hes done nothing but irritate and be rude to not just me, since ive been here? i know it sounds childish, but this is why he feels hes got a reason to copmplain to me, because i mirror how he treats me, and treat him that way, ill treay anyone how they treat me, its howive always doner hings... ok, not the brightest thing in the world, but it can be quite effective. Gabrielsimon 20:21, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
i havnt accused everyone of being annoying, rude, and otherwise irratating, ive accused most people of not reading things thoroly, but you, DreamGuy are he only oe i have accused of being rude, obnoxi0us, crude, irratating etc. my blatant disregard? he ignores consensus repeatedly, tho i shuldnt stoop to mud slinging, so ill try to stop that now. Gabrielsimon 20:37, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
if we are all done here, id ;like to go back to being someone whos not undera microscope if thats all right with you... feel free to post reccomendations for how i should comport myself if you like, but id like it very much if ome admin would delete this page...
Gabrielsimon 04:05, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
at this very moment im really tired. aside from that i have taken words from users such as ed poor and kaosworks and seen if i can apply them to how i act... thats still transitional... ( there are othrs, but i forgotthe names) i meant to refer to anyone ELSE who hasnt said something...
Gabrielsimon
04:12, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, Gabriel, you don't get to control the courtroom when you're the one in the dock. Haikupoet 04:14, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Another point: the Wikipedia guidelines and policies are there for anyone to read, so asking for advice is disingenuous at best. Start with the citations in the RFC as an example of what not to do. Haikupoet 04:16, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
id really like this entire process to be over with please, its been long enough, and i have started to attempt to work mopre as ive been asked...
im getting tired of being under a microscope... would anyone care to delete this article or something, or mark it closed some how? Gabrielsimon 07:15, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
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I have restored some sections that Gabrielsimon removed from this page. Please, everyone, before posting here doublecheck his recent edits to make sure he hasn't removed other people's comments or his rude replies to them... DreamGuy 18:02, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
It seems that most of the problems people are having come down to repeated edits to pages, even when they don't meet the 3RR rule. I think one way to resolve this is to ask Gabriel to live according to the 1RR rule. No one on Wikipedia should be reverting a page more than once, even if you're in the right on the issue (excepting vandalism of course, as defined there). Gabriel, would you be willing to agree to this condition? I think most of the editors who have signed your RfC would say this is a good place to start and, if you agree in good faith, would solve almost all the issues. - grubber 21:13, 2005 July 27 (UTC)
ok Gabrielsimon 21:16, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
I agree with DreamGuy. This is a start, but not enough. Gabrielsimon not only does not seem to understand why revert wars are bad, but he also does not seem to understand what gets him into such wars in the first place. I would be surprised if mentoring were fruitful at all, but it might be worth a try. android 79 00:47, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
I did not initially intend to provide another outside view about this editor. In view of the large number of Wikipedians who have signed this RfC, I thought that adding one more person would be, in the terms of American football, "piling on", a form of unnecessary roughness. However, there is an article RfC on Otherkin about its use of original research and lack of verifiability. The history of that article shows that this editor has violated the 3RR rule within the past 24 hours by removing a verifiability and original research tag. I have seen enough evidence now to be willing to sign the summary. Robert McClenon 13:27, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
i have not sone any such thng. Gabrielsimon 20:00, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
i didnt even know about these " rules of engagement" Gabrielsimon 20:39, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
tring to sound pompous and laywer like doesnt makeyou a barrister, if you get rude, i can match you blow for blow. Gabrielsimon 02:20, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Although Gabrielsimon may have reverted the 3RR violation and has angered other users by his content and NPOV, I think it is wise that such misgivings not interfere with the work of Wikipedia. A compromise at this point is vital: Gabriel, stop adding controversial/bias content within the encyclopedia. Detractors, please do not bash Gabriel as I have read here before. Some comments here have implied that he has done nothing to benefit this encyclopedia. I believe personally that he has done more to benefit this encyclopedia with over 1,500 edits, and nearly 500 in articles [ [4]]. The detractors obviously need to recognize the value of this user, and Gabrielsimon should not add dubious content, and not break the 3RR rule. Dbraceyrules 14:03, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
While it probably took more energy than it should have, the situation on Witchcraft has settled down, and Gabriel has stopped making bad edits. I do agree that some of the treatment he has received from some editors may have been a mite overzealous, perhaps more about pointing out wrongdoing than gently, firmly, guiding a wayward editor. The appearence of bullheaded intransigence on Gabriel's part, and the prolific nature of his roughshod edits certainly did not help his situation. Recent comments from him confirm, to me, that he's willing, ultimately and after much persistence and patience on the part of his fellow editors, to come around. In an ideal world, it wouldn't take so much effort, but this isn't a "members-only" club, and there isn't a single edit made that can't be corrected. I'm a fairly new editor, myself, and I'm very pleased to see that the process works, after all, even if it can be more than a little frustrating at times. Parker Whittle 04:52, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
it wasnt reverts, if you read the edit summaries, its a discussion with shown changes. Gabrielsimon 20:57, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Gabriel, did you give up on following the one revert rule? It looks to me like you're not even attempting to observe it anymore. Friday 20:31, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
i slept between sessions. Gabrielsimon 20:34, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
He violated his 1RR on Vampire and Vampire fiction yesterday, and he used that excuse to me when I called him on it. Has he been doing this elsewhere also? He already knows it's for 24 hour periods (and was told this several times back in the many blocks for 3RR) so if this is happening elsewhere I'd have to seriously wonder if it was actually an accident or not. DreamGuy 20:38, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
There's no mention of sleep that I saw in the rule. Have you actually read it? I could say I took a 3 hour nap anytime, it doesn't change anything. I see a pattern of behavior here; when you break the rules, you frequently say you misunderstood them, or claim extenuating circumstances. You've been given incredibly lenient treatment, yet you continue to to act like the rules are no concern to you. Sadly, I have started to agree with the RfA on you, for the same reasons: this RFC is having no effect. If you want to demonstrate good faith, please: stop making excuses, and start playing nice with other editors. Friday 20:47, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
One would think Gabrielsimon's continued removal of other editors' comments from this talk page would be enough for an ArbCom case in and of itself. Please stop. android 79 20:49, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
pardon me, but i AM trying to do what i said id do, i dont come with a manual, i cant just turn on parts of my brain and turn others off like switches, things TAKE TIME. would people PLEASE leave me alone.?? your getting rather aggravating. Gabrielsimon 23:47, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
adding POV material over and overagain IS vandalism, so i remove it with impunity. stop complaining, suck it up, and go find something usefull to do with your time, please Gabrielsimon 00:58, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
adding out of context weasle words is indeed POV and vandaliosm, please stop bieng full of yourself and acecpt this, learn to stop complaining about everything i do ( maybe a better hobby is in order)and above all else, have an notherwise hoopy day. Gabrielsimon 01:07, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
this whole put me under the microscope thing has been going on for a while now, ive siad id work on it, peole have asked for what they wanted of me, and i AM working on it, so how about people leaving me in peace now?? please? Gabrielsimon 01:37, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
frid, i even unwatched the spetember 11 plane crash atacks article thingee, so that i wouldnt get into shit about that any more... come on, please just let me out of the petrie dish. Gabrielsimon 01:39, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
noirmally i wouldnt do this but hear me out [obscenity]! ALL OF YOU, i have heard what you asked for and i have beghun to adapt that into hwo i do things wh here ,m things TAKE TIME, and peioople WONT LEEAVE ME [obscenity] ALONE they are even adding trumped up charges that have no basis in reality. so in sort, yes, i am sorry for swearing BUT BACK [obscenity] OFF! your DRIVING ME NUTS! Gabrielsimon 02:08, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
when this started, i saw that some epole had a point, so i bheard them out, i was playing along, i saw that peopel had legitimate compalints, so i started adapting how i do things, BUT no one will leave me alone, i would appreciate it if people would declare this thing closed now and give me some freaking SPACE.... has anyone ever heard of just not badgering me??? this is beginning to border on harrassemenrt, and dreanguys usingthis as a way to push tumped up shit that i didnt even do its lie, hes pushingto try to get me banned, so if people wouldnt mind, CLOSE this dammned thing, STOP harrassing me and above all, try to have a hoopy day Gabrielsimon 02:12, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
perhaps you would like to be in the pertrie dish for a while and see how you like it? then you might see why pweople just have to give me some space. i already agreed to make some consessions, burt no ones allowing any time to pass at all, whuikle i try tro do te adapting part.] in fact some people, lke dreamguy seem to be enjoying finding more fake comolainsts to shove in here.
Gabrielsimon
03:04, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
which was DreamGuy trying to insert what seem o me to be weasel words, scientific point of biew means nothing in a matter of spirutality, its totally out of context, so hgis putting Alleged was totally unacceptable seeming tp me, and his insistance seemed b of vandaliscious intent for he was not listeining to reason. Gabrielsimon 03:19, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
he keeps trying to weasel in things that basically say " by the way, these idiots are wrong" in some way or another, when the edits i was trying to have plced in there simplu said what they believed and left the moral judgement outsiode of the text.
Gabrielsimon
03:28, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
on a page about a BELIEF you dont put anything about prooven or unprooven, its out of context. your just being stubborn , as always. why cant you ever admit to fallibillity? Gabrielsimon 04:59, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
why then is there not any secions insterted and accepted to say ": christianity - medical perseectives" or as it was intendted " reasons why these people are crazy" etc in other articles, i mean we justrecently got those justifiyably removed, and it seems to me that that is fair, becaue there are n such sections on other belief related articles.
Gabrielsimon
05:13, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
You know, considering he just got back from his block for violating 3RR while he was supposed to be on a 1RR agreement, it's pretty disturbing to see him immediately back to the same old tricks. He's now had 2 or 3 reverts on Therianthropy in the last couple of hours. DreamGuy 01:52, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
if i did commit 3rr, it was by accoident, would it be all right if i was forgiven, becasue of DreamGuy's baiting tactics and my already apologetic nature? Gabrielsimon 02:17, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
ill keep that in mind. ( my attmetionspan needs some work too, hich might be a contributing factor) Gabrielsimon 02:35, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
also, i dont vandalize, i consider such allegations liabolus ( or however you spell that) and its aprime example of something i reallly want to remove from the page, but im tryingto show some more maturity then false allegations like that. Gabrielsimon 02:19, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
also if people would kindly look at SlimVirgin's talk page edit history and DreamGuys, he calls everyth8ng that hedoenst like harrassment, no matter how mnnicel;y people tryto say it, thisshould be indicitve of the fact that hes rather mean spirited in his edits, and is n my opinion a carrier of the bad faith plague.
Gabrielsimon
02:24, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
It's clear we have a mountain of evidence against Gabrielsimon. What is the next step? Haikupoet 04:02, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
its clear no ones raelly listening to me. the next step has alread been undertaken, please c lose this RFC. Gabrielsimon 04:03, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
im not trying to hide anything, this is so that the last seftion is still the last section, so that my requests for others to ee the ;last section are still to see what i wanted them to see. Gabrielsimon 04:12, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
which is another erson this thing has to close, its already unsderway, so why not LEave me be, huh?
Gabrielsimon
04:46, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
i grow weary of being under a mircoscope, and i would like it very much if people would close this RFC, i have already agreed to what rational editors have asked of me and begun to imnplement this into myt behaviour, barring the vendetta holding DreamGuy's horribly constant objections, i would propose a motion to close this, but any may post comments on my talk page if they feel i am fdoing wrong. (unsigned, but by Gabrielsimon)
you dont get to talk any more, becaeu tis partilly becaues of your incessant,ly annoying reverts, which admins see as a problem of yours,m and your baiting tactics that got me into a part of this mess, suce, i make mistakes, a lot of mistakes, but some of them wo uldnt have been had yoiu shown an aounce of civillity , tact, or respect , DreamGuy. instead you show hipocraceyu and a rather bad temper, along withthe complete inabillity to admit when your wrong. Gabrielsimon 04:40, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
then make that guy , whos been nothing but a thron in my side and a very annoying person leave me alone, please? he basically holds a vendetta for reason i either am unaware of or have forgtotten, and pretty muchn constistantly puts annoying comments on my talk page, and has even tried being incivil and rude to admins, lie slimvirgin, id like it vey much if people would make him leave me alone, hes driving m,e mad., Gabrielsimon 04:23, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
hes very abusive to almoist everyone he meets, and t he complains that i am abusibve whenm i wouldnt even speak to him if he didnt speak to me. he deletes EVERYONES comments from his tlak page and then bitches about it when others remove HIS comments from THIER pages. check his edit history, yoll see. i just wnat him to leave me alone.,
Gabrielsimon
04:25, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Vampire_fiction&diff=next&oldid=20244683
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection&diff=prev&oldid=20244990
very tempted i am to do totherwise, but thems the breaks... Gabrielsimon 06:13, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
youll also notice DreamGuys attempt to bait me with insulting edit summaries. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Vampire_fiction&curid=78203&diff=20244789&oldid=20244683 Gabrielsimon 06:23, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
- you, reamGuy who hats me with a passion unbridled, and carries a vendetta gainst me for reasons i am either unawae of or have forgtotten, are not a fair judge of anything that has to do with me, because of said aforementioned hatred. do be quiet.
Gabrielsimon 09:15, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
just askeduy whoalso liveshere,andhejust laughedat me and told mehesbeen boingm,efor a whiletimight... i apologize forany disruptiveactiity this has vasued. i have just changed,my password(sorlike athirdtime to be sure) Gabrielsimon 08:30, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
im sorry, but this is the truth, andif youdint like it, well you an justshove your facverinto an active volcanoforallicare. Gabrielsimon 08:54, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
when i made this one i was very tired, and dozed off shortly after. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection&diff=prev&oldid=20246576
the next onme i made was welcoming.... http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Alexandra_Erin&diff=prev&oldid=20249603
and no i dont think benning this IP is a good idea, cause thjat would remove me. i changed my passwrod and had a rther loud discussion with my room mate. he promsed to back off... the jackass....
Gabrielsimon
19:54, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
--Uh, Gabe, just what are you driving at here? First you claim that your roommate has been hacking your account. Then you give us examples of edits you made when you were tired? This is getting ridiculous. Are you claiming that your more problematic edits are a result of your roomate or of you being tired? Those are different things, you know.
Second point: I am getting frustrated with how you make excuses for poor quality in your edits, your spelling, your grammar, etc. Vision, arm pain, ADHD, fatigue--how many times do people have to tell you: THESE ARE NOT EXCUSES. It is up to YOU to take responsibility for making quality edits. If you have to spend some time on them to make them grammatically correct, then you are obliged to do so. If you can't do good work when you are tired, then you need to get some sleep and not edit the Wikipedia. If your medical problems slow you down, then you need to work at a speed that is consistent with you doing quality work that is respectful of the community and this project.
You do not have an absolute right to make 100 edits a day, no matter how sloppy and ill-advised those edits are. On the contrary--if you can only do five good edits a day...or one good edit in five days...that is the speed at which you need to work. Period. Do you have any idea how rude it is to every editor who puts time and care into their work on Wikipedia that you can't be troubled to spell-check because you have Attention Deficit Disorder? Let me give you a personal example: I am working on expansions to two articles that are of interest to me because they pertain to things in the Atlanta, Georgia area: the Georgia Guidestones and the Crypt of Civilization. I have been collecting material for these things, in a low-intensity kind of way, for about a month, and it may be a couple more months before I am ready to have a go at the articles. And there is nothing at all special about my case. Many, many people understand the time and care that Wikipedia deserves, and are willing to commit to the necessary effort. It is very disappointing that you are not.
Please stop with the excuses. You owe us all a higher standard of work.
-- Craigkbryant 04:48, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I wasn't sure how to get someone to verify possible sockpuppetry by technical means. So I'll put this here. User:Ketrovin looks suspiciously like Gabrielsimon. Similiar interests, similiar editing style, and Ketrovin came in as a new user and quickly started editing some of the very same user talk pages that Gabrielsimon had been involved in. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but it seems possible that GS is worried about his RFAr and wants to make a new account. In some cases the typos have been fewer, but this could simply be an indication of more time spent previewing. This article creation and the subsequent history look to me to be quite similiar in style to GS. Anyway, just wondered if anyone else has opinions on this. There are additional pages and diffs that indicate other surprisingly similiarities, which I can provide if wanted. Friday 18:18, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
i saw a request for that article on
Vashi's user page, so , in the interests of being nice, and becaeu that was an interesting challenge, i made it. would you like to tell me why people are so interested in me? perhaps i did something wrong in the creation of the article
Sculpey as well? thus far, this community seems rather less then friendly, but i hope its some strange happenstance, instead of how things are done. Oh, and ifthis will help, i found this by followng links, just as with where i found all other places, other then the ones i created, andthe article on
Son Goku so far.
Ketrovin
18:56, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
to get here i followed a link from the user page of Dbraceyrules in a section titled sockpuppetry, which i learned of after reading information fof of your user page, which I learned of because you left your signature on my talk page. and becaseu I do not want trouble, I thought I would say something, but aprently even defending ones self is not advisable, so I wonder, what sould I do? Youll note, i have reaad nothing on this page except what seems to concern me. Why am I beiong looked on suspisciously for asking a single question, after reading the Article on Otherkin's edit history? This seems strange. Ketrovin 19:06, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I copy pasted from my watchlist and i usedthe formatting from other users signings. Im on trial for being creative? Ketrovin 19:18, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I think people are really jumping the gun on this one. While I see some minor similarities between Ketrovin and Gabrielsimon, these seem entirely circumstantial and insufficient to start accusing anyone of sockpuppetry. There are enough differences to warrant a reasonable doubt (adding comments describing changes, no revert wars, better grammar, etc.). Not the best way to welcome a new editor, IMO. Parker Whittle 19:19, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
You are implying that random acts of kindness are unacceptable. Is this really what you mean? Ketrovin 19:23, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Im Sorry, but it would seem that this user your upset with edited his talk page while i was reading about business plans. Ketrovin 19:37, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
So , All of this points to onething, I should not greet othe ussrs out of random joy. Be that teh case, then So be it, I suppose. Ketrovin 19:44, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
If Wronbgdoing is whats to be found, then perhaps examine this... it seems hes telling me, in this conversation to stop conversing here, and then, later ( check the time stamps) He, on this page, continues to search for Damming evidance. Correct me if i am wrong, but does not this community have a policey for good faith? heres the conversation. " Sorry (header formatting removed as not to disrupt the page)
Sorry if you've interpreted my question as being unfriendly. It was not intended as such. Anyway, don't worry about any of this. It's another user's issue, not yours. Happy editing! Friday 19:32, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
All can be forgiven if all is accidental. as Goethe said " when Ideas Fail, Words Come In Handy." Oh, and please, do look at the Sculpey article, and tell me what you think of my prose style. I should hope i am better then Stephen Donaldson. Ketrovin 19:35, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Untl it is concluded that i am me, and not he ( tryingto get a rhythm going) then perhaps it is my business. as to why i know his edits, when i was accused ofbeing him , i watched his page. it seemed logical, as a wayto gather ... what is the proper word for Un-Dammning evidance? Ketrovin 19:49, 5 August 2005 (UTC)"
tell me, does this seem like a violation of the good faith edict? or perhaps a two faced way of doing things? mind you, perhaps i am mistaken, paranioa spreads like plague, and the only plague i wish to spread is joy. Ketrovin 20:03, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Benefit of the doubt, people, benefit of the doubt! By all means, check the IPs if you must. But until actual evidence to the contrary, Ketrovin should be treated as an innocent party to this whole mess. The supposed evidence you're accumulating is highly speculative and circumstantial. And, Ketrovin, please do try to overlook the overzealousness of some of our knights errant of the Wiki. They do mean well, and have been embroiled in a very frustrating case. Parker Whittle 20:13, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Ketrovin 20:22, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Ketrovin 20:22, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Ketrovin 20:22, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
... i am starting to question weather joining was a good idea. ( been trying to repond, but i have been getting edit conflicts)
Ketrovin
20:22, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
This may be meat puppetry, not sock puppetry, or perhaps a combination of the two: User_talk:Ketrovin#Sorry. Ketrovin now says he happens to live just down the street from GS. The coincidences continue to be quite astounding. Friday 20:29, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I live ion a pink house if its interesting, and he lives in a rooming house thats at the other end of the street. do you all think i should perhaps go yell at him for you, for making sch a ruckus onthis site? ( there would have to be such, for lal this attention to be paid) Ketrovin 20:31, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Look, where are the unjustified reverts? Where are the frustrating refusals to provide sources? Where are the exasperating instances of original research? Where are the intransigent refusals to read the policies? All the so-called evidence can easily be explained, however coincidental, by any number of factors. As for living down the street, I take that as an instance of disclosure, rather than evidence of meat/sockpuppetry. Again, check the IPs. Watch for violations of policies. But until you've got something substantial, let's avoid declaring a newbie editor guilty by suspicion. We're getting close to a little witch hunt, here. Parker Whittle 20:47, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
this account is onlty a few hours old... perhapseveryone gets a tril by fire of sorts? Ketrovin 20:51, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
i am no one else's puppet, sokc, meat, social or otherwise. Friday accused mw of being a multiple personality disorder case. i dont like that very much. it would be very nice if people were to give him some stern warnings at least about insulting other users. my talk page has the proof you need for t hat. Ketrovin 21:57, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Check out User talk:Alexandra Erin. Gabrielsimon has a lengthy conversation with this very new user and then Ketrovin drops in? Suspicious, suspicious. ~~ N ( t/ c) 22:11, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Ketrovin 22:34, 5 August 2005 (UTC) I followed a link from the Otherkin talk page, which lead to, among other places, User Alexandra Erin, frm thjere, talk pages are really easy to get to. Then i read the conversation, and left my thoughts, why is this a crime? Ketrovin 22:14, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
The overly optimistic skeptic among us asked where is the embarssingly bad original research and fighting is... see Religion and schizotypy, which, after I marked it for cleanup, this "new" editor went and immediately started a RfC for complaining about how rude I was... I'm sorry, but assuming good faith is good, ignoring clear evidence of bad faith is not. DreamGuy 22:36, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
Ketrovin 22:39, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I know its never going to convince the vendetta holding, really really annoying editor DreamGuy that this isthe case, but this Ketrovin guy isnbt me. now go look at the arbitration page to see my self imposed exile, for a while and see why im not coming back for at least two week., and dreamguy, i rad what you put on the page he made, you could be a little nmicer to the little guy, i mean you dont have to treat EVERYONE like shit, do you? Gabrielsimon 22:57, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I admit there is no hard-and-fast evidence of sockpuppetry, but for now I'm convinced that Ketrovin == GS. Look at this: [9] - Ketrovin complaining about scientific point of view in an article on beliefs. GS has been known to do this quite a bit, with similar phraseology. Also, I notice that they haven't left any messages on each others' talk pages, or talk to each other in any way. I find this a little funny too, although it is also a viable explanation that they live near each other. Nothing is proven, but there seems to me to be too much evidence for it to be coincidence. ~~ N ( t/ c) 23:14, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
now look what you guys did! you ruined this placec for somewone who i dont even know! i mean its great to get mad at me, but comeon! you guys auth to be ashamedof yourselfs. im sending the guy ( or girl its imposssible to say) an apology, hopeing theyll come back, by email. Gabrielsimon 23:16, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
and for the record, i thought of self imposed temporairy exile because it shows more charactor then waiting to e excecuted , and might w ell save e from a ban. not that anyone might have noticed that. Guys, you really screwed up there, methinks. from now on, im only going to respond to talk page messages, on my page, or perhaps on the arbcom page in case this notion of mine migfht get some attention
Gabrielsimon
23:21, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
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maybe it is becaue Ketrovin didnt get mad at dreamGuy, w the ever maliscious, rude, arogant ( need i go on, i think not) user, when he stared in on Ketrovin on the Otherkin talk page and the Religion and schizotypy; article, which DreamGUy got mad at forbeing prroly formatted and pooorly written, even though ti was thatusers SECOND ATTEMPT. why is no one else mad at DramGuy? Gabrielsimon 00:04, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
hes not a sock puppet, and from what i have seen, it looks as though he didnt ge mad, he only respolved to have you cease your words, which, by the way, had it been me, would have resulted in a bit of a verbal bitch slapping, as youy deserve. Gabrielsimon 00:08, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
Unsurprisingly, I side with Sam Spade. However, even if Ketrovin were a sockpuppet, I would completely understand; and as long as he avoided violating any official policies, I'd be inclined to leave him be. Frankly, given how eager some editors have been to literally pounce on any of Gabrielsimon's less-than-stellar edits (in some cases, a little too unfairly) I wouldn't blame him for using multiple identities. While not specifically covered in the policy, I would argue that switching identities in order to get a fresh start (hoping to avoid harrassment) may be a legitimate use of a new account. It's worth noting that it's not prohibited, either. Only if he used it to circumvent an official policy would it be considered an illegitimate use of multiple accounts (for example, if Gabrielsimon were banned, and Ketrovin were a sockpuppet, then Ketrovin would need to be banned as well. However, Ketrovin's behavior far superior than that which landed Gabrielsimon into such hot water, and if proven to be a sockpuppet, should be a good case against a ban; namely, that he is improving). Parker Whittle 00:34, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
i onmly get mad at you ehen you act like a complete jackass for no reason. oh, wait, thats all the time. my mistake. perhaps if you bnothered to actuallyt adhere to the civillity lwas in this place i mgiht not get amd at you arrogant, rude, incivil, vendetta holding ass so often, if at all. I am one who mirrors the manners of those who speak to me. im very polite to users like friday, because hes really poite to me, i treat you like dirt becasue you treat me like i just fell out of an elephents ass. Gabrielsimon 00:53, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
what? you think I was cheating becaue Ketrovin AGREED with ME insead of agreeing with you, well then, Friday has been my sock puppet from time to tim e and sop have many others then, geeze, what an swollen head. would someone stab him with a pin to see if he deflates?
Gabrielsimon
00:55, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
its too late now anyway. Gabrielsimon 01:03, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
FYI for those keeping track: Gabriel screwed up and edited his own RfC response section while signed in as User:Ketrovin and referred to Gabriel as "me", thus proving he was, in fact, a sockpuppet. [10]
The puppet has been blocked. [11]
DreamGuy 06:39, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
Ketrovin has since been unblocked. ~~ N ( t/ c) 21:13, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
This one is suspicious too. So far it's major edits have been to vote on a VfD to keep the obvious sockpuppet User:Ketrovin's article, a change to polymer clay to add info about Sculpey (which was also created by Ketrovin), and to create a new article Non-Human Identity Subcultures about a neologism invented on Talk:otherkin, which User:Gabrielsimon and his sockpuppet were both active on. Not to mention Khulhy mentions that he writes vampire fiction exactly like the stuff Gabrielsimon had told many editors he was working on, and so forht and so on... DreamGuy 02:52, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
Had to cross the line, didn't you Gabriel/Khulhy/Ketrovin? You were doing allright for a while. I feel for you, but you've got to learn to reign it in. You are under extreme scrutiny, and you're allowing yourself to be goaded into pointless scraps. Please take some time to relax, set your ego aside, and try to play nice, even if you're being treated harshly. Take the high road, buddy. It's the only way to go. Parker Whittle 07:26, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
Gavin the Chosen has all but directly admitted on his talk page that he is a sockpuppet of Gabrielsimon. Many other people discovered this before me, but I thought I'd add it here to make sure the record is complete. android 79 12:28, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
It seems Gabriel has taken to editing anonymously from the IP 69.195.126.19. I have taken the liberty of copying the following conversation from Slim Virgin's talk page to this page, which has been a sort of central sock-puppet repository:
(above posted by Craigkbryant 16:49, 16 August 2005 (UTC))
And FYI for those who missed the 3RR page and the rest of the User talk:SlimVirgin page (she set herself up as one of two admins who were going to ride him to make sure he followed rules and asked that I contact her directly with complaints, so that's why it was there), the change on Otherkin as an IP was to do a revert back to his favored POV position and to try to avoid a 3RR report -- that makes his third 3RR violation since he became unblocked a few hours ago. That block was for two 3RR violations he did and those happened immediately after he came back from yet another block... The guy isn't learning a thing, he's just getting progressively worse and starts up immediately after a block instead of working his way into it over a few days. DreamGuy 17:05, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
What's it, 3 days in and he's blown it again. [13] Hipocrite 03:25, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
whats sock puppeting? Gabrielsimon 14:05, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Using multiple accounts pretending they are different people. ~~~~ 17:47, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
link labelled "1" on the other page, not my work, i was reverting it, and was planning on modifying it, but never got the chance to.
Gabrielsimon
14:45, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
as for links 4, 5, 6, this was the truth i was putting in, and i even tried to make it sound NPOV, other people just didnt like it. Gabrielsimon 14:48, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
its not origional reerch. check around , youll see. Gabrielsimon 20:10, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
--It is this sort of comment that I find particularly frustrating. You have done much the same thing on the Vampire and Werewolf pages--people, including me, have challenged your sourcing and you make these coy little responses like "check around; you'll see." Do you actually understand what an encyclopedia _is?_ PROVIDE CITATIONS AND REFERENCES if you are asked to back up your assertions. Your edits seem to continually degrade the quality of Wikipedia as a factual reference. If you want to advance your own POV and independent positions, you will find the Internet abounds in resources for that sort of work. Wikipedia is not one of them.-- Craigkbryant 20:17, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Moved from the project page:
theres a policey about aboidingthe use ofthe word terrorist that i was trying to go by. Gabrielsimon 22:39, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
additional comments
youll note that , if it took a while, id do agree with you on the missing sun issue, tho i beleive i took to long... if youd allow, id like to try turning over a new leaf as it were, all grudges, justand not, left behind seems ok? Gabrielsimon 05:10, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
I'd love to see a new leaf. However, this revert concerns me. There is a discussion on the Talk: Witchcraft that I'm confident you're aware of, having already participated in it. PWhittle has made a good case. You have not answered his points. Why would you make yet another revert with no summary but "rv" and no discussion on the talk page? Friday 01:01, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
as i have likly said before, tjhe word and idea of witch was not of an origion that is in the american continant , it is a european contiant, and any thoughts to show that it wasnt are misinterpretations and mistranslations. id have left out the mention of the american continents entirely, but i comprimised and inserted " after contact with Europe" instead...
Gabrielsimon
01:10, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure why you're continuing to revert so casually. In addition to the questionable Witchcraft revert mentioned above which you have still not IMO coherently explained, you're now reverting here. I'm not saying you've broken the 3RR or anything, and I hope that you don't, but I think you should consider being less aggressive in your reverts. Friday 03:34, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
dont you know thatyour jumping the gun?? damn it dude, leave me alone! your starting to annoy me.
Gabrielsimon
03:36, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Gabriel, this edit pains me greatly. When this RFC was opened, some notes were posted on talk pages of articles where you've had controversial edits, pointing to this RFC. I believe this is accepted as normal and proper. Tonite, you made a few controversial edits to Archaeology and the Book of Mormon, and you didn't seem to me like you were willing to consider compromise. So, I posted a comment on the talk page pointing people to this RFC in case anyone cared to chime in. You deleted my comment, called it a cheap shot, and said I was a nuisance. I'm afraid I must strongly protest your edit. Friday 04:42, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
you using the existance of this RFC to attampt to influcence the out come of discussions os both childish and disrespectfull, if not cowardly. im beginning to think you were the child who went running to any authority figure at any sign of discomfort, urthermore, may i r eiterate, Leave Me Alone. im getting tired of your stalkerlike behaviour.
Gabrielsimon
04:47, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
(and yes im sounding annoyed, fact is im getting tired of being followed around and bothered by friday. Gabrielsimon 04:58, 23 July 2005 (UTC))
--Gabriel, I'm sorry you take such objection to Friday's actions. But it seems to me that people decide to contribute to this project in a variety of ways. For instance, I've mostly done copy-editing in the past, and often working as an anonymous user. Other people wish to focus heavily on one or more articles or topics. Still others take an interest in the good functioning of the Wikipedia project itself--this group including administrators and the like. And Friday is participating in this fashion by systematically investigating your edits, wherever they may come. I know you don't accept the objections that a number of people have raised to your editing behavior, but Friday is of the opinion that your work damages Wikipedia, if I may make so bold as to offer a statement on his behalf. I agree with him. That is why this RFC is taking place. That is also why Friday feels it is useful of him to look at your edits in other articles, and point other people to this RFC. This seems entirely appropriate on his part, and I hope he will continue to do so. Gabriel, it is obvious you care very much about the subjects you edit on Wikipedia. I would sincerely ask you to consider the comments people have been leaving on this RFC--along with the total lack of comments in favor of the edits you have been making--and ask whether you are really operating in the spirit of the Wikipedia project.--
Craigkbryant
20:27, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
It seems to me that Gabriel is quite sincere, and simply does not understand how antisocial and disruptive his behavior is in an online community such as this. I don't believe it's an issue of malicious intent, but rather bad behavior. It's a shame, because I do believe he can make a genuinely positive contribution if he can learn how to develop his ideas from a solid foundation of references, and how to arrive at a consensus in a community of diverse backgrounds and points of view. Parker Whittle 02:04, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
i removed nothing, i insterted a cmoomnt to xplain somehing. much like this one
Gabrielsimon 00:09, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
as for the RFC page, firday misfiled something, so i removed it and told him to refuile it, and hecalls it vandalism... bit of a stretch there, yes? as for the thoer thing, i put an explaination right were one was needed, i thought, and still friday calls it vandalism... Gabrielsimon 00:14, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
in the fllwing link he claims my removing Otherkin from the RFC page is vandalism, well its not, its simply becasue its not an article about philosophy, hence my request is that it be refiled in a better spot. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment&curid=449877&diff=19678373&oldid=19678285 Gabrielsimon 00:03, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
you called it vandalism, which was very annoying, so i chose, the second time to simply change it back, because ITS not vandalism, its making you notice your mistalke, and since its not MY mistake, making you fix it... hichj you still havnt done. what do you know about good faith anyway, you delete a lot of what i do, and then just leave it. Gabrielsimon 00:25, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
i react how i am treated, nothing more. Gabrielsimon 02:29, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
i do apologize if i take things personally... but i do peide myself as being soameone whos never and shall never stoop to vandalism. Gabrielsimon 02:35, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
vandalism is defined as intentional, insulting and often degrogatory remarks, as far as i know, i have done none of that. Gabrielsimon 03:40, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
From Gabrielsimon's recent activities on several articles it is clear that he has not taken anything at all from the comments of the (currently) 15 editors endorsing the complaint to none supporting his response. If anything his actions have been even more confrontational. As one of those who certified this complaint, I want to know what the next step in the escalation process is, so we can get the ball rolling. DreamGuy 03:09, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
its clear to methat you have not read anything that doesnt suit your fancey. kindly be quiet. Gabrielsimon 03:39, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
please disregard Dreamguys supposed "evidance"... without even reading it, my guess is already that hes only half read in in some zealous and usual way to attempt to make others mad at me. Gabrielsimon 07:04, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
why should i show him civillity when hes done nothing but irritate and be rude to not just me, since ive been here? i know it sounds childish, but this is why he feels hes got a reason to copmplain to me, because i mirror how he treats me, and treat him that way, ill treay anyone how they treat me, its howive always doner hings... ok, not the brightest thing in the world, but it can be quite effective. Gabrielsimon 20:21, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
i havnt accused everyone of being annoying, rude, and otherwise irratating, ive accused most people of not reading things thoroly, but you, DreamGuy are he only oe i have accused of being rude, obnoxi0us, crude, irratating etc. my blatant disregard? he ignores consensus repeatedly, tho i shuldnt stoop to mud slinging, so ill try to stop that now. Gabrielsimon 20:37, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
if we are all done here, id ;like to go back to being someone whos not undera microscope if thats all right with you... feel free to post reccomendations for how i should comport myself if you like, but id like it very much if ome admin would delete this page...
Gabrielsimon 04:05, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
at this very moment im really tired. aside from that i have taken words from users such as ed poor and kaosworks and seen if i can apply them to how i act... thats still transitional... ( there are othrs, but i forgotthe names) i meant to refer to anyone ELSE who hasnt said something...
Gabrielsimon
04:12, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, Gabriel, you don't get to control the courtroom when you're the one in the dock. Haikupoet 04:14, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Another point: the Wikipedia guidelines and policies are there for anyone to read, so asking for advice is disingenuous at best. Start with the citations in the RFC as an example of what not to do. Haikupoet 04:16, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
id really like this entire process to be over with please, its been long enough, and i have started to attempt to work mopre as ive been asked...
im getting tired of being under a microscope... would anyone care to delete this article or something, or mark it closed some how? Gabrielsimon 07:15, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
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I have restored some sections that Gabrielsimon removed from this page. Please, everyone, before posting here doublecheck his recent edits to make sure he hasn't removed other people's comments or his rude replies to them... DreamGuy 18:02, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
It seems that most of the problems people are having come down to repeated edits to pages, even when they don't meet the 3RR rule. I think one way to resolve this is to ask Gabriel to live according to the 1RR rule. No one on Wikipedia should be reverting a page more than once, even if you're in the right on the issue (excepting vandalism of course, as defined there). Gabriel, would you be willing to agree to this condition? I think most of the editors who have signed your RfC would say this is a good place to start and, if you agree in good faith, would solve almost all the issues. - grubber 21:13, 2005 July 27 (UTC)
ok Gabrielsimon 21:16, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
I agree with DreamGuy. This is a start, but not enough. Gabrielsimon not only does not seem to understand why revert wars are bad, but he also does not seem to understand what gets him into such wars in the first place. I would be surprised if mentoring were fruitful at all, but it might be worth a try. android 79 00:47, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
I did not initially intend to provide another outside view about this editor. In view of the large number of Wikipedians who have signed this RfC, I thought that adding one more person would be, in the terms of American football, "piling on", a form of unnecessary roughness. However, there is an article RfC on Otherkin about its use of original research and lack of verifiability. The history of that article shows that this editor has violated the 3RR rule within the past 24 hours by removing a verifiability and original research tag. I have seen enough evidence now to be willing to sign the summary. Robert McClenon 13:27, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
i have not sone any such thng. Gabrielsimon 20:00, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
i didnt even know about these " rules of engagement" Gabrielsimon 20:39, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
tring to sound pompous and laywer like doesnt makeyou a barrister, if you get rude, i can match you blow for blow. Gabrielsimon 02:20, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Although Gabrielsimon may have reverted the 3RR violation and has angered other users by his content and NPOV, I think it is wise that such misgivings not interfere with the work of Wikipedia. A compromise at this point is vital: Gabriel, stop adding controversial/bias content within the encyclopedia. Detractors, please do not bash Gabriel as I have read here before. Some comments here have implied that he has done nothing to benefit this encyclopedia. I believe personally that he has done more to benefit this encyclopedia with over 1,500 edits, and nearly 500 in articles [ [4]]. The detractors obviously need to recognize the value of this user, and Gabrielsimon should not add dubious content, and not break the 3RR rule. Dbraceyrules 14:03, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
While it probably took more energy than it should have, the situation on Witchcraft has settled down, and Gabriel has stopped making bad edits. I do agree that some of the treatment he has received from some editors may have been a mite overzealous, perhaps more about pointing out wrongdoing than gently, firmly, guiding a wayward editor. The appearence of bullheaded intransigence on Gabriel's part, and the prolific nature of his roughshod edits certainly did not help his situation. Recent comments from him confirm, to me, that he's willing, ultimately and after much persistence and patience on the part of his fellow editors, to come around. In an ideal world, it wouldn't take so much effort, but this isn't a "members-only" club, and there isn't a single edit made that can't be corrected. I'm a fairly new editor, myself, and I'm very pleased to see that the process works, after all, even if it can be more than a little frustrating at times. Parker Whittle 04:52, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
it wasnt reverts, if you read the edit summaries, its a discussion with shown changes. Gabrielsimon 20:57, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Gabriel, did you give up on following the one revert rule? It looks to me like you're not even attempting to observe it anymore. Friday 20:31, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
i slept between sessions. Gabrielsimon 20:34, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
He violated his 1RR on Vampire and Vampire fiction yesterday, and he used that excuse to me when I called him on it. Has he been doing this elsewhere also? He already knows it's for 24 hour periods (and was told this several times back in the many blocks for 3RR) so if this is happening elsewhere I'd have to seriously wonder if it was actually an accident or not. DreamGuy 20:38, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
There's no mention of sleep that I saw in the rule. Have you actually read it? I could say I took a 3 hour nap anytime, it doesn't change anything. I see a pattern of behavior here; when you break the rules, you frequently say you misunderstood them, or claim extenuating circumstances. You've been given incredibly lenient treatment, yet you continue to to act like the rules are no concern to you. Sadly, I have started to agree with the RfA on you, for the same reasons: this RFC is having no effect. If you want to demonstrate good faith, please: stop making excuses, and start playing nice with other editors. Friday 20:47, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
One would think Gabrielsimon's continued removal of other editors' comments from this talk page would be enough for an ArbCom case in and of itself. Please stop. android 79 20:49, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
pardon me, but i AM trying to do what i said id do, i dont come with a manual, i cant just turn on parts of my brain and turn others off like switches, things TAKE TIME. would people PLEASE leave me alone.?? your getting rather aggravating. Gabrielsimon 23:47, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
adding POV material over and overagain IS vandalism, so i remove it with impunity. stop complaining, suck it up, and go find something usefull to do with your time, please Gabrielsimon 00:58, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
adding out of context weasle words is indeed POV and vandaliosm, please stop bieng full of yourself and acecpt this, learn to stop complaining about everything i do ( maybe a better hobby is in order)and above all else, have an notherwise hoopy day. Gabrielsimon 01:07, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
this whole put me under the microscope thing has been going on for a while now, ive siad id work on it, peole have asked for what they wanted of me, and i AM working on it, so how about people leaving me in peace now?? please? Gabrielsimon 01:37, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
frid, i even unwatched the spetember 11 plane crash atacks article thingee, so that i wouldnt get into shit about that any more... come on, please just let me out of the petrie dish. Gabrielsimon 01:39, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
noirmally i wouldnt do this but hear me out [obscenity]! ALL OF YOU, i have heard what you asked for and i have beghun to adapt that into hwo i do things wh here ,m things TAKE TIME, and peioople WONT LEEAVE ME [obscenity] ALONE they are even adding trumped up charges that have no basis in reality. so in sort, yes, i am sorry for swearing BUT BACK [obscenity] OFF! your DRIVING ME NUTS! Gabrielsimon 02:08, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
when this started, i saw that some epole had a point, so i bheard them out, i was playing along, i saw that peopel had legitimate compalints, so i started adapting how i do things, BUT no one will leave me alone, i would appreciate it if people would declare this thing closed now and give me some freaking SPACE.... has anyone ever heard of just not badgering me??? this is beginning to border on harrassemenrt, and dreanguys usingthis as a way to push tumped up shit that i didnt even do its lie, hes pushingto try to get me banned, so if people wouldnt mind, CLOSE this dammned thing, STOP harrassing me and above all, try to have a hoopy day Gabrielsimon 02:12, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
perhaps you would like to be in the pertrie dish for a while and see how you like it? then you might see why pweople just have to give me some space. i already agreed to make some consessions, burt no ones allowing any time to pass at all, whuikle i try tro do te adapting part.] in fact some people, lke dreamguy seem to be enjoying finding more fake comolainsts to shove in here.
Gabrielsimon
03:04, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
which was DreamGuy trying to insert what seem o me to be weasel words, scientific point of biew means nothing in a matter of spirutality, its totally out of context, so hgis putting Alleged was totally unacceptable seeming tp me, and his insistance seemed b of vandaliscious intent for he was not listeining to reason. Gabrielsimon 03:19, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
he keeps trying to weasel in things that basically say " by the way, these idiots are wrong" in some way or another, when the edits i was trying to have plced in there simplu said what they believed and left the moral judgement outsiode of the text.
Gabrielsimon
03:28, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
on a page about a BELIEF you dont put anything about prooven or unprooven, its out of context. your just being stubborn , as always. why cant you ever admit to fallibillity? Gabrielsimon 04:59, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
why then is there not any secions insterted and accepted to say ": christianity - medical perseectives" or as it was intendted " reasons why these people are crazy" etc in other articles, i mean we justrecently got those justifiyably removed, and it seems to me that that is fair, becaue there are n such sections on other belief related articles.
Gabrielsimon
05:13, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
You know, considering he just got back from his block for violating 3RR while he was supposed to be on a 1RR agreement, it's pretty disturbing to see him immediately back to the same old tricks. He's now had 2 or 3 reverts on Therianthropy in the last couple of hours. DreamGuy 01:52, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
if i did commit 3rr, it was by accoident, would it be all right if i was forgiven, becasue of DreamGuy's baiting tactics and my already apologetic nature? Gabrielsimon 02:17, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
ill keep that in mind. ( my attmetionspan needs some work too, hich might be a contributing factor) Gabrielsimon 02:35, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
also, i dont vandalize, i consider such allegations liabolus ( or however you spell that) and its aprime example of something i reallly want to remove from the page, but im tryingto show some more maturity then false allegations like that. Gabrielsimon 02:19, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
also if people would kindly look at SlimVirgin's talk page edit history and DreamGuys, he calls everyth8ng that hedoenst like harrassment, no matter how mnnicel;y people tryto say it, thisshould be indicitve of the fact that hes rather mean spirited in his edits, and is n my opinion a carrier of the bad faith plague.
Gabrielsimon
02:24, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
It's clear we have a mountain of evidence against Gabrielsimon. What is the next step? Haikupoet 04:02, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
its clear no ones raelly listening to me. the next step has alread been undertaken, please c lose this RFC. Gabrielsimon 04:03, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
im not trying to hide anything, this is so that the last seftion is still the last section, so that my requests for others to ee the ;last section are still to see what i wanted them to see. Gabrielsimon 04:12, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
which is another erson this thing has to close, its already unsderway, so why not LEave me be, huh?
Gabrielsimon
04:46, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
i grow weary of being under a mircoscope, and i would like it very much if people would close this RFC, i have already agreed to what rational editors have asked of me and begun to imnplement this into myt behaviour, barring the vendetta holding DreamGuy's horribly constant objections, i would propose a motion to close this, but any may post comments on my talk page if they feel i am fdoing wrong. (unsigned, but by Gabrielsimon)
you dont get to talk any more, becaeu tis partilly becaues of your incessant,ly annoying reverts, which admins see as a problem of yours,m and your baiting tactics that got me into a part of this mess, suce, i make mistakes, a lot of mistakes, but some of them wo uldnt have been had yoiu shown an aounce of civillity , tact, or respect , DreamGuy. instead you show hipocraceyu and a rather bad temper, along withthe complete inabillity to admit when your wrong. Gabrielsimon 04:40, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
then make that guy , whos been nothing but a thron in my side and a very annoying person leave me alone, please? he basically holds a vendetta for reason i either am unaware of or have forgtotten, and pretty muchn constistantly puts annoying comments on my talk page, and has even tried being incivil and rude to admins, lie slimvirgin, id like it vey much if people would make him leave me alone, hes driving m,e mad., Gabrielsimon 04:23, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
hes very abusive to almoist everyone he meets, and t he complains that i am abusibve whenm i wouldnt even speak to him if he didnt speak to me. he deletes EVERYONES comments from his tlak page and then bitches about it when others remove HIS comments from THIER pages. check his edit history, yoll see. i just wnat him to leave me alone.,
Gabrielsimon
04:25, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Vampire_fiction&diff=next&oldid=20244683
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection&diff=prev&oldid=20244990
very tempted i am to do totherwise, but thems the breaks... Gabrielsimon 06:13, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
youll also notice DreamGuys attempt to bait me with insulting edit summaries. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Vampire_fiction&curid=78203&diff=20244789&oldid=20244683 Gabrielsimon 06:23, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
- you, reamGuy who hats me with a passion unbridled, and carries a vendetta gainst me for reasons i am either unawae of or have forgtotten, are not a fair judge of anything that has to do with me, because of said aforementioned hatred. do be quiet.
Gabrielsimon 09:15, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
just askeduy whoalso liveshere,andhejust laughedat me and told mehesbeen boingm,efor a whiletimight... i apologize forany disruptiveactiity this has vasued. i have just changed,my password(sorlike athirdtime to be sure) Gabrielsimon 08:30, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
im sorry, but this is the truth, andif youdint like it, well you an justshove your facverinto an active volcanoforallicare. Gabrielsimon 08:54, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
when i made this one i was very tired, and dozed off shortly after. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection&diff=prev&oldid=20246576
the next onme i made was welcoming.... http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Alexandra_Erin&diff=prev&oldid=20249603
and no i dont think benning this IP is a good idea, cause thjat would remove me. i changed my passwrod and had a rther loud discussion with my room mate. he promsed to back off... the jackass....
Gabrielsimon
19:54, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
--Uh, Gabe, just what are you driving at here? First you claim that your roommate has been hacking your account. Then you give us examples of edits you made when you were tired? This is getting ridiculous. Are you claiming that your more problematic edits are a result of your roomate or of you being tired? Those are different things, you know.
Second point: I am getting frustrated with how you make excuses for poor quality in your edits, your spelling, your grammar, etc. Vision, arm pain, ADHD, fatigue--how many times do people have to tell you: THESE ARE NOT EXCUSES. It is up to YOU to take responsibility for making quality edits. If you have to spend some time on them to make them grammatically correct, then you are obliged to do so. If you can't do good work when you are tired, then you need to get some sleep and not edit the Wikipedia. If your medical problems slow you down, then you need to work at a speed that is consistent with you doing quality work that is respectful of the community and this project.
You do not have an absolute right to make 100 edits a day, no matter how sloppy and ill-advised those edits are. On the contrary--if you can only do five good edits a day...or one good edit in five days...that is the speed at which you need to work. Period. Do you have any idea how rude it is to every editor who puts time and care into their work on Wikipedia that you can't be troubled to spell-check because you have Attention Deficit Disorder? Let me give you a personal example: I am working on expansions to two articles that are of interest to me because they pertain to things in the Atlanta, Georgia area: the Georgia Guidestones and the Crypt of Civilization. I have been collecting material for these things, in a low-intensity kind of way, for about a month, and it may be a couple more months before I am ready to have a go at the articles. And there is nothing at all special about my case. Many, many people understand the time and care that Wikipedia deserves, and are willing to commit to the necessary effort. It is very disappointing that you are not.
Please stop with the excuses. You owe us all a higher standard of work.
-- Craigkbryant 04:48, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I wasn't sure how to get someone to verify possible sockpuppetry by technical means. So I'll put this here. User:Ketrovin looks suspiciously like Gabrielsimon. Similiar interests, similiar editing style, and Ketrovin came in as a new user and quickly started editing some of the very same user talk pages that Gabrielsimon had been involved in. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but it seems possible that GS is worried about his RFAr and wants to make a new account. In some cases the typos have been fewer, but this could simply be an indication of more time spent previewing. This article creation and the subsequent history look to me to be quite similiar in style to GS. Anyway, just wondered if anyone else has opinions on this. There are additional pages and diffs that indicate other surprisingly similiarities, which I can provide if wanted. Friday 18:18, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
i saw a request for that article on
Vashi's user page, so , in the interests of being nice, and becaeu that was an interesting challenge, i made it. would you like to tell me why people are so interested in me? perhaps i did something wrong in the creation of the article
Sculpey as well? thus far, this community seems rather less then friendly, but i hope its some strange happenstance, instead of how things are done. Oh, and ifthis will help, i found this by followng links, just as with where i found all other places, other then the ones i created, andthe article on
Son Goku so far.
Ketrovin
18:56, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
to get here i followed a link from the user page of Dbraceyrules in a section titled sockpuppetry, which i learned of after reading information fof of your user page, which I learned of because you left your signature on my talk page. and becaseu I do not want trouble, I thought I would say something, but aprently even defending ones self is not advisable, so I wonder, what sould I do? Youll note, i have reaad nothing on this page except what seems to concern me. Why am I beiong looked on suspisciously for asking a single question, after reading the Article on Otherkin's edit history? This seems strange. Ketrovin 19:06, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I copy pasted from my watchlist and i usedthe formatting from other users signings. Im on trial for being creative? Ketrovin 19:18, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I think people are really jumping the gun on this one. While I see some minor similarities between Ketrovin and Gabrielsimon, these seem entirely circumstantial and insufficient to start accusing anyone of sockpuppetry. There are enough differences to warrant a reasonable doubt (adding comments describing changes, no revert wars, better grammar, etc.). Not the best way to welcome a new editor, IMO. Parker Whittle 19:19, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
You are implying that random acts of kindness are unacceptable. Is this really what you mean? Ketrovin 19:23, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Im Sorry, but it would seem that this user your upset with edited his talk page while i was reading about business plans. Ketrovin 19:37, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
So , All of this points to onething, I should not greet othe ussrs out of random joy. Be that teh case, then So be it, I suppose. Ketrovin 19:44, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
If Wronbgdoing is whats to be found, then perhaps examine this... it seems hes telling me, in this conversation to stop conversing here, and then, later ( check the time stamps) He, on this page, continues to search for Damming evidance. Correct me if i am wrong, but does not this community have a policey for good faith? heres the conversation. " Sorry (header formatting removed as not to disrupt the page)
Sorry if you've interpreted my question as being unfriendly. It was not intended as such. Anyway, don't worry about any of this. It's another user's issue, not yours. Happy editing! Friday 19:32, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
All can be forgiven if all is accidental. as Goethe said " when Ideas Fail, Words Come In Handy." Oh, and please, do look at the Sculpey article, and tell me what you think of my prose style. I should hope i am better then Stephen Donaldson. Ketrovin 19:35, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Untl it is concluded that i am me, and not he ( tryingto get a rhythm going) then perhaps it is my business. as to why i know his edits, when i was accused ofbeing him , i watched his page. it seemed logical, as a wayto gather ... what is the proper word for Un-Dammning evidance? Ketrovin 19:49, 5 August 2005 (UTC)"
tell me, does this seem like a violation of the good faith edict? or perhaps a two faced way of doing things? mind you, perhaps i am mistaken, paranioa spreads like plague, and the only plague i wish to spread is joy. Ketrovin 20:03, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Benefit of the doubt, people, benefit of the doubt! By all means, check the IPs if you must. But until actual evidence to the contrary, Ketrovin should be treated as an innocent party to this whole mess. The supposed evidence you're accumulating is highly speculative and circumstantial. And, Ketrovin, please do try to overlook the overzealousness of some of our knights errant of the Wiki. They do mean well, and have been embroiled in a very frustrating case. Parker Whittle 20:13, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Ketrovin 20:22, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Ketrovin 20:22, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Ketrovin 20:22, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
... i am starting to question weather joining was a good idea. ( been trying to repond, but i have been getting edit conflicts)
Ketrovin
20:22, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
This may be meat puppetry, not sock puppetry, or perhaps a combination of the two: User_talk:Ketrovin#Sorry. Ketrovin now says he happens to live just down the street from GS. The coincidences continue to be quite astounding. Friday 20:29, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I live ion a pink house if its interesting, and he lives in a rooming house thats at the other end of the street. do you all think i should perhaps go yell at him for you, for making sch a ruckus onthis site? ( there would have to be such, for lal this attention to be paid) Ketrovin 20:31, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Look, where are the unjustified reverts? Where are the frustrating refusals to provide sources? Where are the exasperating instances of original research? Where are the intransigent refusals to read the policies? All the so-called evidence can easily be explained, however coincidental, by any number of factors. As for living down the street, I take that as an instance of disclosure, rather than evidence of meat/sockpuppetry. Again, check the IPs. Watch for violations of policies. But until you've got something substantial, let's avoid declaring a newbie editor guilty by suspicion. We're getting close to a little witch hunt, here. Parker Whittle 20:47, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
this account is onlty a few hours old... perhapseveryone gets a tril by fire of sorts? Ketrovin 20:51, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
i am no one else's puppet, sokc, meat, social or otherwise. Friday accused mw of being a multiple personality disorder case. i dont like that very much. it would be very nice if people were to give him some stern warnings at least about insulting other users. my talk page has the proof you need for t hat. Ketrovin 21:57, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Check out User talk:Alexandra Erin. Gabrielsimon has a lengthy conversation with this very new user and then Ketrovin drops in? Suspicious, suspicious. ~~ N ( t/ c) 22:11, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Ketrovin 22:34, 5 August 2005 (UTC) I followed a link from the Otherkin talk page, which lead to, among other places, User Alexandra Erin, frm thjere, talk pages are really easy to get to. Then i read the conversation, and left my thoughts, why is this a crime? Ketrovin 22:14, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
The overly optimistic skeptic among us asked where is the embarssingly bad original research and fighting is... see Religion and schizotypy, which, after I marked it for cleanup, this "new" editor went and immediately started a RfC for complaining about how rude I was... I'm sorry, but assuming good faith is good, ignoring clear evidence of bad faith is not. DreamGuy 22:36, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
Ketrovin 22:39, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I know its never going to convince the vendetta holding, really really annoying editor DreamGuy that this isthe case, but this Ketrovin guy isnbt me. now go look at the arbitration page to see my self imposed exile, for a while and see why im not coming back for at least two week., and dreamguy, i rad what you put on the page he made, you could be a little nmicer to the little guy, i mean you dont have to treat EVERYONE like shit, do you? Gabrielsimon 22:57, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I admit there is no hard-and-fast evidence of sockpuppetry, but for now I'm convinced that Ketrovin == GS. Look at this: [9] - Ketrovin complaining about scientific point of view in an article on beliefs. GS has been known to do this quite a bit, with similar phraseology. Also, I notice that they haven't left any messages on each others' talk pages, or talk to each other in any way. I find this a little funny too, although it is also a viable explanation that they live near each other. Nothing is proven, but there seems to me to be too much evidence for it to be coincidence. ~~ N ( t/ c) 23:14, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
now look what you guys did! you ruined this placec for somewone who i dont even know! i mean its great to get mad at me, but comeon! you guys auth to be ashamedof yourselfs. im sending the guy ( or girl its imposssible to say) an apology, hopeing theyll come back, by email. Gabrielsimon 23:16, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
and for the record, i thought of self imposed temporairy exile because it shows more charactor then waiting to e excecuted , and might w ell save e from a ban. not that anyone might have noticed that. Guys, you really screwed up there, methinks. from now on, im only going to respond to talk page messages, on my page, or perhaps on the arbcom page in case this notion of mine migfht get some attention
Gabrielsimon
23:21, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
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maybe it is becaue Ketrovin didnt get mad at dreamGuy, w the ever maliscious, rude, arogant ( need i go on, i think not) user, when he stared in on Ketrovin on the Otherkin talk page and the Religion and schizotypy; article, which DreamGUy got mad at forbeing prroly formatted and pooorly written, even though ti was thatusers SECOND ATTEMPT. why is no one else mad at DramGuy? Gabrielsimon 00:04, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
hes not a sock puppet, and from what i have seen, it looks as though he didnt ge mad, he only respolved to have you cease your words, which, by the way, had it been me, would have resulted in a bit of a verbal bitch slapping, as youy deserve. Gabrielsimon 00:08, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
Unsurprisingly, I side with Sam Spade. However, even if Ketrovin were a sockpuppet, I would completely understand; and as long as he avoided violating any official policies, I'd be inclined to leave him be. Frankly, given how eager some editors have been to literally pounce on any of Gabrielsimon's less-than-stellar edits (in some cases, a little too unfairly) I wouldn't blame him for using multiple identities. While not specifically covered in the policy, I would argue that switching identities in order to get a fresh start (hoping to avoid harrassment) may be a legitimate use of a new account. It's worth noting that it's not prohibited, either. Only if he used it to circumvent an official policy would it be considered an illegitimate use of multiple accounts (for example, if Gabrielsimon were banned, and Ketrovin were a sockpuppet, then Ketrovin would need to be banned as well. However, Ketrovin's behavior far superior than that which landed Gabrielsimon into such hot water, and if proven to be a sockpuppet, should be a good case against a ban; namely, that he is improving). Parker Whittle 00:34, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
i onmly get mad at you ehen you act like a complete jackass for no reason. oh, wait, thats all the time. my mistake. perhaps if you bnothered to actuallyt adhere to the civillity lwas in this place i mgiht not get amd at you arrogant, rude, incivil, vendetta holding ass so often, if at all. I am one who mirrors the manners of those who speak to me. im very polite to users like friday, because hes really poite to me, i treat you like dirt becasue you treat me like i just fell out of an elephents ass. Gabrielsimon 00:53, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
what? you think I was cheating becaue Ketrovin AGREED with ME insead of agreeing with you, well then, Friday has been my sock puppet from time to tim e and sop have many others then, geeze, what an swollen head. would someone stab him with a pin to see if he deflates?
Gabrielsimon
00:55, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
its too late now anyway. Gabrielsimon 01:03, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
FYI for those keeping track: Gabriel screwed up and edited his own RfC response section while signed in as User:Ketrovin and referred to Gabriel as "me", thus proving he was, in fact, a sockpuppet. [10]
The puppet has been blocked. [11]
DreamGuy 06:39, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
Ketrovin has since been unblocked. ~~ N ( t/ c) 21:13, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
This one is suspicious too. So far it's major edits have been to vote on a VfD to keep the obvious sockpuppet User:Ketrovin's article, a change to polymer clay to add info about Sculpey (which was also created by Ketrovin), and to create a new article Non-Human Identity Subcultures about a neologism invented on Talk:otherkin, which User:Gabrielsimon and his sockpuppet were both active on. Not to mention Khulhy mentions that he writes vampire fiction exactly like the stuff Gabrielsimon had told many editors he was working on, and so forht and so on... DreamGuy 02:52, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
Had to cross the line, didn't you Gabriel/Khulhy/Ketrovin? You were doing allright for a while. I feel for you, but you've got to learn to reign it in. You are under extreme scrutiny, and you're allowing yourself to be goaded into pointless scraps. Please take some time to relax, set your ego aside, and try to play nice, even if you're being treated harshly. Take the high road, buddy. It's the only way to go. Parker Whittle 07:26, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
Gavin the Chosen has all but directly admitted on his talk page that he is a sockpuppet of Gabrielsimon. Many other people discovered this before me, but I thought I'd add it here to make sure the record is complete. android 79 12:28, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
It seems Gabriel has taken to editing anonymously from the IP 69.195.126.19. I have taken the liberty of copying the following conversation from Slim Virgin's talk page to this page, which has been a sort of central sock-puppet repository:
(above posted by Craigkbryant 16:49, 16 August 2005 (UTC))
And FYI for those who missed the 3RR page and the rest of the User talk:SlimVirgin page (she set herself up as one of two admins who were going to ride him to make sure he followed rules and asked that I contact her directly with complaints, so that's why it was there), the change on Otherkin as an IP was to do a revert back to his favored POV position and to try to avoid a 3RR report -- that makes his third 3RR violation since he became unblocked a few hours ago. That block was for two 3RR violations he did and those happened immediately after he came back from yet another block... The guy isn't learning a thing, he's just getting progressively worse and starts up immediately after a block instead of working his way into it over a few days. DreamGuy 17:05, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
What's it, 3 days in and he's blown it again. [13] Hipocrite 03:25, 11 August 2005 (UTC)