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This is a great tool, but I can't seem to figure out how to use it at the same time as WikEd. I either have the WikEd buttons, or the RefTools toolbar, but I can't get both their buttons onto the page at the same time. Or is there a simple fix that I'm missing? -- El on ka 08:01, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, wonderful gadget, will be very useful. One niggle, the location field generates with a capital L (Location, instead of location) and this stops the location shewing up when saved. DuncanHill ( talk) 20:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
After using the cite button, none of the other toolbar buttons work. Running the latest FireFox under Windows. I have every editing gadget enabled except WikiEd. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 20:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
It looks like refToolbar (as a Gadget) reformats all the text in the edit box with hard line breaks after 72 characters. That messes up indenting on talk pages and isn't a good idea on article pages either. I admit to using a very old version of FireFox, but that still shouldn't happen. -- Latebird ( talk) 04:08, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
The gadget does not now seem to work. When I click on the "add citation" button, a little drop down box appears, with the names of the templates in it, click on the template I want, and nothing happens. I use Safari 3.1 on WinXP. DuncanHill ( talk) 13:30, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
I wonder whether there is potential to integrate this handy tool with one of my own devising (which needs a bit of a facelift!) - see here for details. Could be useful for cite journal at least?
Verisimilus T 15:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
This just keeps getting better. The list of named refs is most excellent. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 11:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Just a minor thing. When I select the news option, I get a cite web template. Kind regards. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 18:11, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
this is a very good idea, however i have one little glitch. Whenever i use the tool, regardless of where my cursor actually is, the citation is added to the beginning of the text. I'm using monobook, and IE 7 on XP. - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 20:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
But is there a easy way to toggle between the two? Since wikiEd has the disable/enable button, would there be a way for refToolbar to show up when it's disabled, instead of going to preferences>gadgets and unselecting it each time? Thank you. ηoian ‡orever ηew ‡rontiers 05:00, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I've just copied your script to the Norwegian wiki (and I've tested it out and it works there, but will try to adjust it to the norwegian versions of the templates) One question. Is it possible to give a new line and two spaces like this {{ reference help}} here on en-wiki?
Regards Nsaa ( talk) 23:22, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
{{ editsemiprotected}}
The twelfth word in this section is spelt incorrectly.-- Just Plain Brittish ( talk) 10:42, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
All the dates on this are wrong. The accessdate "2008-11-24" doesn't work, it is only plain text. I don't know how to change it, but you may. Could it be fixed? Thanks. -- American Eagle ( talk) 03:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
It would be very helpful (and not too much of a pain on your part, i think) to give format examples above each field. like 120-125 above pages, or YYYY-MM-DD above date. Also, having maybe a checkbox near accessdate to "Use current date" would be useful. - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 16:08, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, I have the refToolbar on my monobook.js and it seems to work with my wikiEd. I haven't run into any problems so far, that is. Thought it'd be worth mentioning. ~ Itzjustdrama C ? 19:33, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Great tool. I use it a lot. More citation templates would be nice. I find myself using cite web for anything that doesn't fit the other templates. -- Apoc2400 ( talk) 18:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Your brilliant gadget is making the other edit helps not work. I use Internet explorer, if you nee to know. The gadget works, but how do i make the rest work again? Thanks Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk | Sign 21:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Would it be possible to post an additional warning where two refs use the same URL but with different accompanying text? This would help to catch duplicate refs where some have been converted to use the "cite…" templates and one or more has been missed. TIA HAND — Phil | Talk 07:31, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Great tool--thank you. In my initial testing, tabbing moves the cursor back to the edited document, rather than to the next field. Feature not a bug? Workaround? I'm using Firefox 3.0.5 under Vista. Barte ( talk) 07:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for this brilliant feature. It's been very helpful. Any plans to add {{ cite video game}} and {{ cite video}}? They would be really useful.-- EclipseSSD ( talk) 17:23, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I've been making a great deal of use of this tool. It's a huge help is formatting citations. One thing I've noticed is that when using cite book, it always provides the citation as a "pp" indicating pages rather that "p" for page. Would it be possible to recognize a single page number versus a page range and change the parameter from "page=" to "pages=" automatically?
Another question: I try as much as possible to archive a copy of web sources using WebCite. Would it be possible to add in the "archivedate=" and "archiveurl=" to the template?
And finally: This may be a deliberate ddesign decision. The cite web automatically sets the retrieval date. But the cite book does not. Could it be done autimatically too?
Thanks. -- Whpq ( talk) 15:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I love this button. Just a quick request, one useful field that isn't prompted when doing journal articles is DOI. It isn't too much hassle to add the field after the citation has been entered, but pretty please with sugar to have it in the toolbar? Sabine's Sunbird talk 05:28, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Is there a way to change the format of the automatically inserted accessdate? When I use the {{cite}} button, the accessdate is automatically formatted like "2009-03-13", whereas I like "3 March 2009". Is there something I can put in my monobook.js or something like that to change my preferences? rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 21:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Edittools_-_More_IE8_fun.21 - refTools appears to clash with IE8, stopping Edittools working properly - it would be nice to have both working. Nigel Ish ( talk) 10:31, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
I seem to have a new editing environment, and no longer have the button for adding refs. Any clues on what to do? - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 21:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
See bug for details. -- 71.134.234.64 ( talk) 03:51, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
"hookEvent() is not defined".
How to fix this? Thanks,- 59.95.97.251 ( talk) 17:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted to say a big thank you! for creating this wonderful feature. I finally started to use inline citing after i discovered it. Great job! Suede67 ( talk) 13:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
+1! this has been really helpful for me. thank you! Spencerk ( talk) 23:59, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
It doesn't work with Beta site layout. Best regards, -- Smihael ( talk) 08:14, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
The reftool doesn't work with the toolbar even if I add the import line to the Vector skin JS.-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 12:40, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Please could the "location" field be added for news citations. This is normal practice outside the USA. The problem is that nearly all US newspapers include the name of the city of publication in their title, e.g. The New York Times. Outside the USA this is largely not the case, so one needs to distinguish between e.g. The Daily Telegraph (Sydney) and The Daily Telegraph (London). People need to be encouraged to include the city of publication in all cases where it is not obvious. Thank you! - Alarics ( talk) 07:41, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
The cite software has been updated to define named references within the reference list; see Wikipedia talk:Footnotes#cite.php update. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 14:56, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
<blockquote>...</blockquote>
, then the error checking reports it as "Unclosed <ref>
tag". ---—
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk
19:10, 22 September 2009 (UTC)Can the error checking look for breaks within a citation template? This has bitten me in the butt a few times and it is not at all obvious. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 19:13, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
This tool is great; I use it all the time however would it would be possible for you to add archiveurl= and archivedate= to the web citation template? It's frustrating whenever I want to include an archive page in a reference I have to enter it in manually. Thanks. MaesterTonberry ( talk) 21:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
In the accessdate
bit, the tool lists the date is this format: 2009-10-10. I work on the articles of a band which is british and I need to use this format 10 October 2009. Is there a way reftools can allow us to set the date format in advance? It's a laborious job otherwise. That would be extremely helpful. Thank you!
Suede67 (
talk)
01:22, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
importScript("User:Remember the dot/ISO date format unifier.js")
to your JS. It add links in the left toolbar to convert all ISO dates. ---—
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk
12:33, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
As I understand it, ISO dates for access dates are no longer approved of (a bot is changing them to "15 November 2009" format). ANy chance you could change the default setting for the bot for all users? (Not just for those who are technical enough to be able to follow the above instruction). PamD ( talk) 08:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Why does the tool need to have a default access date at all? It is a simple matter to type in the date in whatever format one prefers. It is particularly unfortunate that "cite news" includes a default entry for access date, since this gives people the impression that access date is the most significant date, whereas the date of publication is far more important, and the "retrieved on" date often serves no purpose, e.g. when the news item being cited is on the stable website of a mainstream newspaper and itself clearly dated, or alternatively when it is not on the web at all but only on paper. I would be much happier if the "accessdate" were left blank, for the user to fill in or not, as appropriate. -- Alarics ( talk) 09:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I think YYYY-MM-DD is fine for access dates. Anyway, fixing to dmy format makes my articles inconsistent. Also, please keep it filled in by default, typing in the date over and over is annyoing. An alternative would be a button to fill in the current date. -- Apoc2400 ( talk) 22:09, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Why was the format changed? Since previously most access dates have been in the YYYY-MM-DD, the change creates a major inconsistency, and should be reverted unless there is a very good reason for it. Offliner ( talk) 03:51, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
The date format is now customizable per-user, see User:Mr.Z-man/refToolbar#Customizing for details. Mr. Z-man 22:46, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
Your gadget is a great addition to the toolbar and gets a lot of use from me. It would be even more useful if it supported the templates listed at Wikipedia:CITET#Harvard_reference_and_shortened_footnote_examples, in particular {{ Harvnb}}. They are actually very simple once you look into them. Many thanks, -Arb. ( talk) 16:41, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Can the tool have 2 extra fields, when entering details, called "archive url" and "archive date"? This will be very helpful in adding sources of websites that tend to disappear, and have been archived, example, a page like this. The "archive date" field would use the same date as "accessdate". Thanks if you can do this, i'd be grateful forever! Suede67 ( talk) 14:05, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Template:Cite encyclopedia/doc
{{cite encyclopedia |last= |first= |author= |authorlink= |coauthors= |editor= |encyclopedia= |title= |url= |accessdate=2024-08-01 |language= |edition= |date= |year= |month= |publisher= |volume= |location= |id= |isbn= |oclc= |doi= |pages= |quote= |ref= }} ( Ice Explorer ( talk) 21:24, 13 November 2009 (UTC))
{{cite map |publisher= |title= |url= |edition= |year= |cartography= |scale= |series= |page= |section= |inset= |accessdate=2009-11-13 |isbn= |id= }}
It would be much easier to use. Just adding in.Mitch32( A fortune in fabulous articles can be yours!) 21:27, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
In "cite news" I find many editors don't realise that "work=" means the name of the newspaper or magazine, and they put this under "publisher=" instead. In fact, "publisher" is not meant for that, and doesn't render the name in italics, as it should be. "newspaper=" works just as well as "work=" and I want to suggest changing "work" to "newspaper" in the cite news page of the tool so that it will not be ambiguous. -- Alarics ( talk) 09:35, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Would like to see {{ cite press release}} added to this tool. Would be quite handy, and I've wished it was there on a number of different occasions recently. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 15:45, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
The gadget doesn't appear at all in my Firefox 3 browsers I use on different computers. Don't have the enhanced editing tool checked on either. Anyone know what could be wrong? Hotcat tool works, so it can't be a Javascript issue, can it? Ingolfson ( talk) 04:32, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Hello. I am a long time happy user of refToolbar. Recently, I copied it over to my user space and made some changes. In User:Apoc2400/refToolbar.js I have added that it:
|page=
instead of |pages=
if there is only one page. This makes i.e. "p. 5" instead of "pp. 5".|year=
instead of |date=
if only the year is specifiedFeel free to use in your version.
I also have a more experimental version at User:Apoc2400/refToolbar-testing.js, which has buttons for setting the accessdate to todays date, and for copying the last name to the reference name field. Finally, I used some of refToolbar for my external Wikipedia citation tool for Google Books. -- Apoc2400 ( talk) 12:19, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
The new version is ready for testing! I would be happy if as many as possible would try it. It includes many requested features:
|page=
instead of |pages=
if there is only one page. This makes i.e. "p. 5" instead of "pp. 5".|year=
instead of |date=
if only the year is specifiedTo try the testing version:
importScript('User:Mr.Z-man/refToolbar.js');
importScript('User:Apoc2400/refToolbar.js');
You can also try the more radical development version "refToolPlus" which introduces some major new features:
Note: This tool uses external resources, including my site at reftag.appspot.com. The owners of these sites can see you IP and browser information.
To try it, do as above but add
importScript('User:Apoc2400/refToolbarPlus.js');
instead to your monobook.js.
Please report any bugs or problems here. -- Apoc2400 ( talk) 14:22, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
It would also be neat if the fetch functionality was added for DOIs. This seems to be possible given {{ cite doi}}. -- Cybercobra (talk) 09:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Great improvements. While you are in full on development mode, any chance of incorporating the Harvard citation templates mentioned above. This allows for the case where one needs to reference at different points in an article different pages of a single work. -Arb. ( talk) 23:01, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Template works great! Wondering if we could add Template:cite map soon? I requested it atop. Its really useful.Mitch32( We the people in order to form a more perfect union.) 21:43, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Per WP:CITE, if an article does not use reference templates, newly added references should continue to not use templates. So this tool needs to detect that situation and (for example) substitute the templates it adds, if there are not already templates in the article. If the idea is that people should be able to use this tool without thinking too much, then the tool needs to do the thinking about what the established style is, and then needs to follow that. A similar consideration applies to parenthetical referencing, and to pages that use {{ citation}} instead of the cite foo templates. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 16:54, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Does this template support Vancouver style, that is, {{ vcite book}} instead of {{ cite book}}, and similarly for {{ vcite journal}}, etc.? If not, then could you please add that? As a first cut it should be as simple as putting a "v" in front. Eubulides ( talk) 20:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
{{
harv}}
, {{
harvnb}}
and {{
sfn}}
recognise up to four last names. If the citation template has |ref=harv
, an anchor for an internal link is created based upon |last1=
through |last4=
plus |year=
, which the {{
harvnb}}
will link to without further tweaking. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
23:00, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
First, thanks to Apoc2400 for taking this over (and belated thanks to Mr. Z-Man for the prior work done). I use this gadget extensively, and I'm happy to see that the continued development is in good hands. I'm a fan of the LDR citation style. I see that the new version has the ability to create a Reference section ready for LDR style references. However, unless I'm missing something, it does not have the ability to generate a reference in LDR style. By that, I mean that one would fill in the necessary boxes, including a reference name, select a location in the document and the add citation button would add <ref name="test"/> to the main text, with the full reference detail in the proper place in the reference section. Perhaps this is possible, and I just don't know how to do it? If it isn't currently possible, can we discuss exactly how it might be done?-- SPhilbrick T 22:40, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Will RefToolbar be compatible with the beta toolbar soon? NerdyScienceDude :) ( ✉ click to talk • my edits • sign) 21:47, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
An issue came up that seems like it should be so common, I wonder if it can be done, and I just don't know how. I added a reference to a journal using the tool. After adding it, I realized I forgot to include the page numbers. I was able to do it manually, by inserting the code in the ref, but one might not know the right code. I thought it would be nice to select a ref, and "load" it into the tool, then add whatever is needed. Is this possible? If not, would it be useful to others?-- SPhilbrick T 19:22, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Multiple author fields for {{ cite journal}} like there are for {{ cite book}} would be nice. I seem to come across more multi-author journal articles than multi-author books. -- Cybercobra (talk) 16:42, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
{{
cite book}}
and {{
cite journal}}
allow up to nine authors, and each allow them to be alternatively specified as field pairs, |last1=
/|first1=
through |last9=
/|first9=
. The advantage of using such pairs is that harvard referencing works better. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
18:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)But buttons for filling in fields based on Google Books or New York Times URL, ISBN or DOI are now this icon:
. Is that more clean than "Fetch"? There are also title texts that display when you hold the mouse pointer over the it. --
Apoc2400 (
talk)
22:14, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
See the full announcement on the village pump. Mr. Z-man 03:19, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
I've made a proposal for some changes to the gadget, here. Mr. Z-man 03:14, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
It seems that the general user interface upgrades for Wikipedia have removed the reftools from the toolbar. I can't access / find it anymore, even though it is still selected in the my preferences, as is the edit bar. Bummer - I had just gotten so used to it. I don't want to go back to hand-coding my refs! Ingolfson ( talk) 08:35, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Since one or two days ago I noticed the old reftool bar has changed for a new one. Sadly the new one does not properly work for me. I tried in vain to recover the old tool bar using combinations of preferences, gadgets, and monobook.js edits but I have failed. I have asked for help here and here. The instructions at Wikipedia:RefToolbar 1.0#Testing versions looked promising but again did not work for me. At the right is a screenshot of what I have been used to and quite happy with for a year now. - 84user ( talk) 11:03, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Update here is what happens. I use Firefox 3.6.13, I use the Monobook skin and I have emptied my monobook.css. I have been editing my User:84user/monobook.js to figure out what is going on. So far with "importScript('User:Apoc2400/refToolbar.js');" in my CSS:
So, this combination produces the new toolbar (I guess it is version 2.0): "refTools" Gadget + "Enable enhanced editing toolbar" + "Enable dialogs for inserting links, tables and more" + User:Apoc2400/refToolbar.js
I now comment out "importScript('User:Apoc2400/refToolbar.js');" from my monobook.js to ensure it is not interfering: edit window still gives no toolbar, as expected
So, this tells me the presence of User:Apoc2400/refToolbar.js had no effect: the behaviour depends only on the Gadgets chosen.
That's my testing for now, I still cannot see how to get the old toolbar back. - 84user ( talk) 12:20, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
There now appears to be some solutions, see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#RefTools_not_working oldid. - 84user ( talk) 13:59, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
When using the wikEd gadget, refToolPlus for the non-enhanced toolbar will only insert citations if you first disable wikEd using the on/off icon. I think it used to work for awhile, but it's definitely broken since the MediaWiki 1.17 upgrade. I have fixed the problem in my forked copy ( diff). To use the fix, turn off refTools in your preferences and add the following to your Custom JavaScript file:
importScript('User:UncleDouggie/refToolbarWrapper.js');
— UncleDouggie ( talk) 07:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
This has suddenly started working again without my change. — UncleDouggie ( talk) 08:17, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
I asked a question at Village Pump [1] about a problem with the Cite shortcut when I edit, and I was pointed here. I assume I have the original version of the toolbar. I'm not aware that I have upgraded to the newer version. The poster at VP suggested that the Cite button is now on the left, but I can't see it when I try to edit articles. Thanks. Eldumpo ( talk) 09:23, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
I have a problem with the cite function when using RefToolbar 1.0. When I try to autofill the fields after adding an ISBN number it will never find any data. -- Alan Liefting ( talk) - 07:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Per discussion at discussion at WT:Citing sources, we'd like to add some text, alongside the form which editors are meant to complete, to the effect that "Most parameters are optional". Can this be done, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 11:35, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add a template to cite video to the toolbar? It seems that after the web, video would be the most popular followed by books and then journals. NewManOfAnOldAge ( talk) 01:14, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add the archivedate=, and archiveurl= fields to {{ cite news}}? News article, especially recent ones have notoriously fickle URLs as the newspapers content management system moves them around. Adding WebCite archives alleviates the problem of link rot, and having the field available just like in {{ cite web}} would make things a lot easier. -- Whpq ( talk) 16:17, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Could I suggest an improvement to this wonderful tool? If only doi is provided, replace cite journal with cite doi. Is this possible? Decstop ( talk) 23:13, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
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This is a great tool, but I can't seem to figure out how to use it at the same time as WikEd. I either have the WikEd buttons, or the RefTools toolbar, but I can't get both their buttons onto the page at the same time. Or is there a simple fix that I'm missing? -- El on ka 08:01, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, wonderful gadget, will be very useful. One niggle, the location field generates with a capital L (Location, instead of location) and this stops the location shewing up when saved. DuncanHill ( talk) 20:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
After using the cite button, none of the other toolbar buttons work. Running the latest FireFox under Windows. I have every editing gadget enabled except WikiEd. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 20:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
It looks like refToolbar (as a Gadget) reformats all the text in the edit box with hard line breaks after 72 characters. That messes up indenting on talk pages and isn't a good idea on article pages either. I admit to using a very old version of FireFox, but that still shouldn't happen. -- Latebird ( talk) 04:08, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
The gadget does not now seem to work. When I click on the "add citation" button, a little drop down box appears, with the names of the templates in it, click on the template I want, and nothing happens. I use Safari 3.1 on WinXP. DuncanHill ( talk) 13:30, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
I wonder whether there is potential to integrate this handy tool with one of my own devising (which needs a bit of a facelift!) - see here for details. Could be useful for cite journal at least?
Verisimilus T 15:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
This just keeps getting better. The list of named refs is most excellent. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 11:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Just a minor thing. When I select the news option, I get a cite web template. Kind regards. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 18:11, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
this is a very good idea, however i have one little glitch. Whenever i use the tool, regardless of where my cursor actually is, the citation is added to the beginning of the text. I'm using monobook, and IE 7 on XP. - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 20:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
But is there a easy way to toggle between the two? Since wikiEd has the disable/enable button, would there be a way for refToolbar to show up when it's disabled, instead of going to preferences>gadgets and unselecting it each time? Thank you. ηoian ‡orever ηew ‡rontiers 05:00, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I've just copied your script to the Norwegian wiki (and I've tested it out and it works there, but will try to adjust it to the norwegian versions of the templates) One question. Is it possible to give a new line and two spaces like this {{ reference help}} here on en-wiki?
Regards Nsaa ( talk) 23:22, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
{{ editsemiprotected}}
The twelfth word in this section is spelt incorrectly.-- Just Plain Brittish ( talk) 10:42, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
All the dates on this are wrong. The accessdate "2008-11-24" doesn't work, it is only plain text. I don't know how to change it, but you may. Could it be fixed? Thanks. -- American Eagle ( talk) 03:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
It would be very helpful (and not too much of a pain on your part, i think) to give format examples above each field. like 120-125 above pages, or YYYY-MM-DD above date. Also, having maybe a checkbox near accessdate to "Use current date" would be useful. - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 16:08, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, I have the refToolbar on my monobook.js and it seems to work with my wikiEd. I haven't run into any problems so far, that is. Thought it'd be worth mentioning. ~ Itzjustdrama C ? 19:33, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Great tool. I use it a lot. More citation templates would be nice. I find myself using cite web for anything that doesn't fit the other templates. -- Apoc2400 ( talk) 18:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Your brilliant gadget is making the other edit helps not work. I use Internet explorer, if you nee to know. The gadget works, but how do i make the rest work again? Thanks Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk | Sign 21:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Would it be possible to post an additional warning where two refs use the same URL but with different accompanying text? This would help to catch duplicate refs where some have been converted to use the "cite…" templates and one or more has been missed. TIA HAND — Phil | Talk 07:31, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Great tool--thank you. In my initial testing, tabbing moves the cursor back to the edited document, rather than to the next field. Feature not a bug? Workaround? I'm using Firefox 3.0.5 under Vista. Barte ( talk) 07:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for this brilliant feature. It's been very helpful. Any plans to add {{ cite video game}} and {{ cite video}}? They would be really useful.-- EclipseSSD ( talk) 17:23, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I've been making a great deal of use of this tool. It's a huge help is formatting citations. One thing I've noticed is that when using cite book, it always provides the citation as a "pp" indicating pages rather that "p" for page. Would it be possible to recognize a single page number versus a page range and change the parameter from "page=" to "pages=" automatically?
Another question: I try as much as possible to archive a copy of web sources using WebCite. Would it be possible to add in the "archivedate=" and "archiveurl=" to the template?
And finally: This may be a deliberate ddesign decision. The cite web automatically sets the retrieval date. But the cite book does not. Could it be done autimatically too?
Thanks. -- Whpq ( talk) 15:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I love this button. Just a quick request, one useful field that isn't prompted when doing journal articles is DOI. It isn't too much hassle to add the field after the citation has been entered, but pretty please with sugar to have it in the toolbar? Sabine's Sunbird talk 05:28, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Is there a way to change the format of the automatically inserted accessdate? When I use the {{cite}} button, the accessdate is automatically formatted like "2009-03-13", whereas I like "3 March 2009". Is there something I can put in my monobook.js or something like that to change my preferences? rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 21:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Edittools_-_More_IE8_fun.21 - refTools appears to clash with IE8, stopping Edittools working properly - it would be nice to have both working. Nigel Ish ( talk) 10:31, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
I seem to have a new editing environment, and no longer have the button for adding refs. Any clues on what to do? - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) ( contribs) 21:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
See bug for details. -- 71.134.234.64 ( talk) 03:51, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
"hookEvent() is not defined".
How to fix this? Thanks,- 59.95.97.251 ( talk) 17:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted to say a big thank you! for creating this wonderful feature. I finally started to use inline citing after i discovered it. Great job! Suede67 ( talk) 13:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
+1! this has been really helpful for me. thank you! Spencerk ( talk) 23:59, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
It doesn't work with Beta site layout. Best regards, -- Smihael ( talk) 08:14, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
The reftool doesn't work with the toolbar even if I add the import line to the Vector skin JS.-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 12:40, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Please could the "location" field be added for news citations. This is normal practice outside the USA. The problem is that nearly all US newspapers include the name of the city of publication in their title, e.g. The New York Times. Outside the USA this is largely not the case, so one needs to distinguish between e.g. The Daily Telegraph (Sydney) and The Daily Telegraph (London). People need to be encouraged to include the city of publication in all cases where it is not obvious. Thank you! - Alarics ( talk) 07:41, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
The cite software has been updated to define named references within the reference list; see Wikipedia talk:Footnotes#cite.php update. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 14:56, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
<blockquote>...</blockquote>
, then the error checking reports it as "Unclosed <ref>
tag". ---—
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk
19:10, 22 September 2009 (UTC)Can the error checking look for breaks within a citation template? This has bitten me in the butt a few times and it is not at all obvious. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 19:13, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
This tool is great; I use it all the time however would it would be possible for you to add archiveurl= and archivedate= to the web citation template? It's frustrating whenever I want to include an archive page in a reference I have to enter it in manually. Thanks. MaesterTonberry ( talk) 21:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
In the accessdate
bit, the tool lists the date is this format: 2009-10-10. I work on the articles of a band which is british and I need to use this format 10 October 2009. Is there a way reftools can allow us to set the date format in advance? It's a laborious job otherwise. That would be extremely helpful. Thank you!
Suede67 (
talk)
01:22, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
importScript("User:Remember the dot/ISO date format unifier.js")
to your JS. It add links in the left toolbar to convert all ISO dates. ---—
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk
12:33, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
As I understand it, ISO dates for access dates are no longer approved of (a bot is changing them to "15 November 2009" format). ANy chance you could change the default setting for the bot for all users? (Not just for those who are technical enough to be able to follow the above instruction). PamD ( talk) 08:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Why does the tool need to have a default access date at all? It is a simple matter to type in the date in whatever format one prefers. It is particularly unfortunate that "cite news" includes a default entry for access date, since this gives people the impression that access date is the most significant date, whereas the date of publication is far more important, and the "retrieved on" date often serves no purpose, e.g. when the news item being cited is on the stable website of a mainstream newspaper and itself clearly dated, or alternatively when it is not on the web at all but only on paper. I would be much happier if the "accessdate" were left blank, for the user to fill in or not, as appropriate. -- Alarics ( talk) 09:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I think YYYY-MM-DD is fine for access dates. Anyway, fixing to dmy format makes my articles inconsistent. Also, please keep it filled in by default, typing in the date over and over is annyoing. An alternative would be a button to fill in the current date. -- Apoc2400 ( talk) 22:09, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Why was the format changed? Since previously most access dates have been in the YYYY-MM-DD, the change creates a major inconsistency, and should be reverted unless there is a very good reason for it. Offliner ( talk) 03:51, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
The date format is now customizable per-user, see User:Mr.Z-man/refToolbar#Customizing for details. Mr. Z-man 22:46, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
Your gadget is a great addition to the toolbar and gets a lot of use from me. It would be even more useful if it supported the templates listed at Wikipedia:CITET#Harvard_reference_and_shortened_footnote_examples, in particular {{ Harvnb}}. They are actually very simple once you look into them. Many thanks, -Arb. ( talk) 16:41, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Can the tool have 2 extra fields, when entering details, called "archive url" and "archive date"? This will be very helpful in adding sources of websites that tend to disappear, and have been archived, example, a page like this. The "archive date" field would use the same date as "accessdate". Thanks if you can do this, i'd be grateful forever! Suede67 ( talk) 14:05, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Template:Cite encyclopedia/doc
{{cite encyclopedia |last= |first= |author= |authorlink= |coauthors= |editor= |encyclopedia= |title= |url= |accessdate=2024-08-01 |language= |edition= |date= |year= |month= |publisher= |volume= |location= |id= |isbn= |oclc= |doi= |pages= |quote= |ref= }} ( Ice Explorer ( talk) 21:24, 13 November 2009 (UTC))
{{cite map |publisher= |title= |url= |edition= |year= |cartography= |scale= |series= |page= |section= |inset= |accessdate=2009-11-13 |isbn= |id= }}
It would be much easier to use. Just adding in.Mitch32( A fortune in fabulous articles can be yours!) 21:27, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
In "cite news" I find many editors don't realise that "work=" means the name of the newspaper or magazine, and they put this under "publisher=" instead. In fact, "publisher" is not meant for that, and doesn't render the name in italics, as it should be. "newspaper=" works just as well as "work=" and I want to suggest changing "work" to "newspaper" in the cite news page of the tool so that it will not be ambiguous. -- Alarics ( talk) 09:35, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Would like to see {{ cite press release}} added to this tool. Would be quite handy, and I've wished it was there on a number of different occasions recently. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 15:45, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
The gadget doesn't appear at all in my Firefox 3 browsers I use on different computers. Don't have the enhanced editing tool checked on either. Anyone know what could be wrong? Hotcat tool works, so it can't be a Javascript issue, can it? Ingolfson ( talk) 04:32, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Hello. I am a long time happy user of refToolbar. Recently, I copied it over to my user space and made some changes. In User:Apoc2400/refToolbar.js I have added that it:
|page=
instead of |pages=
if there is only one page. This makes i.e. "p. 5" instead of "pp. 5".|year=
instead of |date=
if only the year is specifiedFeel free to use in your version.
I also have a more experimental version at User:Apoc2400/refToolbar-testing.js, which has buttons for setting the accessdate to todays date, and for copying the last name to the reference name field. Finally, I used some of refToolbar for my external Wikipedia citation tool for Google Books. -- Apoc2400 ( talk) 12:19, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
The new version is ready for testing! I would be happy if as many as possible would try it. It includes many requested features:
|page=
instead of |pages=
if there is only one page. This makes i.e. "p. 5" instead of "pp. 5".|year=
instead of |date=
if only the year is specifiedTo try the testing version:
importScript('User:Mr.Z-man/refToolbar.js');
importScript('User:Apoc2400/refToolbar.js');
You can also try the more radical development version "refToolPlus" which introduces some major new features:
Note: This tool uses external resources, including my site at reftag.appspot.com. The owners of these sites can see you IP and browser information.
To try it, do as above but add
importScript('User:Apoc2400/refToolbarPlus.js');
instead to your monobook.js.
Please report any bugs or problems here. -- Apoc2400 ( talk) 14:22, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
It would also be neat if the fetch functionality was added for DOIs. This seems to be possible given {{ cite doi}}. -- Cybercobra (talk) 09:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Great improvements. While you are in full on development mode, any chance of incorporating the Harvard citation templates mentioned above. This allows for the case where one needs to reference at different points in an article different pages of a single work. -Arb. ( talk) 23:01, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Template works great! Wondering if we could add Template:cite map soon? I requested it atop. Its really useful.Mitch32( We the people in order to form a more perfect union.) 21:43, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Per WP:CITE, if an article does not use reference templates, newly added references should continue to not use templates. So this tool needs to detect that situation and (for example) substitute the templates it adds, if there are not already templates in the article. If the idea is that people should be able to use this tool without thinking too much, then the tool needs to do the thinking about what the established style is, and then needs to follow that. A similar consideration applies to parenthetical referencing, and to pages that use {{ citation}} instead of the cite foo templates. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 16:54, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Does this template support Vancouver style, that is, {{ vcite book}} instead of {{ cite book}}, and similarly for {{ vcite journal}}, etc.? If not, then could you please add that? As a first cut it should be as simple as putting a "v" in front. Eubulides ( talk) 20:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
{{
harv}}
, {{
harvnb}}
and {{
sfn}}
recognise up to four last names. If the citation template has |ref=harv
, an anchor for an internal link is created based upon |last1=
through |last4=
plus |year=
, which the {{
harvnb}}
will link to without further tweaking. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
23:00, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
First, thanks to Apoc2400 for taking this over (and belated thanks to Mr. Z-Man for the prior work done). I use this gadget extensively, and I'm happy to see that the continued development is in good hands. I'm a fan of the LDR citation style. I see that the new version has the ability to create a Reference section ready for LDR style references. However, unless I'm missing something, it does not have the ability to generate a reference in LDR style. By that, I mean that one would fill in the necessary boxes, including a reference name, select a location in the document and the add citation button would add <ref name="test"/> to the main text, with the full reference detail in the proper place in the reference section. Perhaps this is possible, and I just don't know how to do it? If it isn't currently possible, can we discuss exactly how it might be done?-- SPhilbrick T 22:40, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Will RefToolbar be compatible with the beta toolbar soon? NerdyScienceDude :) ( ✉ click to talk • my edits • sign) 21:47, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
An issue came up that seems like it should be so common, I wonder if it can be done, and I just don't know how. I added a reference to a journal using the tool. After adding it, I realized I forgot to include the page numbers. I was able to do it manually, by inserting the code in the ref, but one might not know the right code. I thought it would be nice to select a ref, and "load" it into the tool, then add whatever is needed. Is this possible? If not, would it be useful to others?-- SPhilbrick T 19:22, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Multiple author fields for {{ cite journal}} like there are for {{ cite book}} would be nice. I seem to come across more multi-author journal articles than multi-author books. -- Cybercobra (talk) 16:42, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
{{
cite book}}
and {{
cite journal}}
allow up to nine authors, and each allow them to be alternatively specified as field pairs, |last1=
/|first1=
through |last9=
/|first9=
. The advantage of using such pairs is that harvard referencing works better. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
18:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)But buttons for filling in fields based on Google Books or New York Times URL, ISBN or DOI are now this icon:
. Is that more clean than "Fetch"? There are also title texts that display when you hold the mouse pointer over the it. --
Apoc2400 (
talk)
22:14, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
See the full announcement on the village pump. Mr. Z-man 03:19, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
I've made a proposal for some changes to the gadget, here. Mr. Z-man 03:14, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
It seems that the general user interface upgrades for Wikipedia have removed the reftools from the toolbar. I can't access / find it anymore, even though it is still selected in the my preferences, as is the edit bar. Bummer - I had just gotten so used to it. I don't want to go back to hand-coding my refs! Ingolfson ( talk) 08:35, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Since one or two days ago I noticed the old reftool bar has changed for a new one. Sadly the new one does not properly work for me. I tried in vain to recover the old tool bar using combinations of preferences, gadgets, and monobook.js edits but I have failed. I have asked for help here and here. The instructions at Wikipedia:RefToolbar 1.0#Testing versions looked promising but again did not work for me. At the right is a screenshot of what I have been used to and quite happy with for a year now. - 84user ( talk) 11:03, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Update here is what happens. I use Firefox 3.6.13, I use the Monobook skin and I have emptied my monobook.css. I have been editing my User:84user/monobook.js to figure out what is going on. So far with "importScript('User:Apoc2400/refToolbar.js');" in my CSS:
So, this combination produces the new toolbar (I guess it is version 2.0): "refTools" Gadget + "Enable enhanced editing toolbar" + "Enable dialogs for inserting links, tables and more" + User:Apoc2400/refToolbar.js
I now comment out "importScript('User:Apoc2400/refToolbar.js');" from my monobook.js to ensure it is not interfering: edit window still gives no toolbar, as expected
So, this tells me the presence of User:Apoc2400/refToolbar.js had no effect: the behaviour depends only on the Gadgets chosen.
That's my testing for now, I still cannot see how to get the old toolbar back. - 84user ( talk) 12:20, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
There now appears to be some solutions, see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#RefTools_not_working oldid. - 84user ( talk) 13:59, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
When using the wikEd gadget, refToolPlus for the non-enhanced toolbar will only insert citations if you first disable wikEd using the on/off icon. I think it used to work for awhile, but it's definitely broken since the MediaWiki 1.17 upgrade. I have fixed the problem in my forked copy ( diff). To use the fix, turn off refTools in your preferences and add the following to your Custom JavaScript file:
importScript('User:UncleDouggie/refToolbarWrapper.js');
— UncleDouggie ( talk) 07:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
This has suddenly started working again without my change. — UncleDouggie ( talk) 08:17, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
I asked a question at Village Pump [1] about a problem with the Cite shortcut when I edit, and I was pointed here. I assume I have the original version of the toolbar. I'm not aware that I have upgraded to the newer version. The poster at VP suggested that the Cite button is now on the left, but I can't see it when I try to edit articles. Thanks. Eldumpo ( talk) 09:23, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
I have a problem with the cite function when using RefToolbar 1.0. When I try to autofill the fields after adding an ISBN number it will never find any data. -- Alan Liefting ( talk) - 07:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Per discussion at discussion at WT:Citing sources, we'd like to add some text, alongside the form which editors are meant to complete, to the effect that "Most parameters are optional". Can this be done, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 11:35, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add a template to cite video to the toolbar? It seems that after the web, video would be the most popular followed by books and then journals. NewManOfAnOldAge ( talk) 01:14, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add the archivedate=, and archiveurl= fields to {{ cite news}}? News article, especially recent ones have notoriously fickle URLs as the newspapers content management system moves them around. Adding WebCite archives alleviates the problem of link rot, and having the field available just like in {{ cite web}} would make things a lot easier. -- Whpq ( talk) 16:17, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Could I suggest an improvement to this wonderful tool? If only doi is provided, replace cite journal with cite doi. Is this possible? Decstop ( talk) 23:13, 25 September 2011 (UTC)