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India currently has only one official chart, the IMI International Top 20 Singles. When adding this chart to a table it's usually written as India (IMI), but a new acc randomly appeared last night insisting that this is wrong and misleading to say the song debuted at #1 in India since the IMI chart only tracks Intl songs and is not an "overall" chart and that it needs to be written as IMI Intl Singles and that Billboard's HOTW chart should also be included. They made several changes to " Left and Right accordingly (which I only reverted once) and also added unsourced and redundant information on the IMI chart article even though I explained why their edits were not appropriate. They reverted me twice there and I have zero energy to waste my breath explaining over and over when they don't seem to get it, so both articles are currently as that account last edited it. Could someone please take a look and do something if necessary? -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 20:24, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Within the past 3 weeks (inclu this one), the IMI chart url has began redirecting to spam/ad pages after the chart loads. Archiving it has also proved troublesome, esp on archive.vn, as it now saves as a captcha page instead of the chart. I asked an editor from another country to check on this for me, and they also experienced the same issues. Archiving on Wayback is hit or miss now as I am unable to save the usual archives, but someone else (idk who) has been able to save a few that show the chart. Idk if this person will continue to archive the chart page every week, so I'm a little worried about being able to properly preserve the records. Can anyone advise? -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 19:10, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Posting here per @ ResolutionsPerMinute's suggestion. Digital sales were not counted on the Billboard Hot 100 prior to February 2005 and thus including chart positions on the Hot Digital Tracks from before that date should not be against the component chart guideline. Is there any opposition to including this info on the project page? -- Sek-2 ( talk) 19:42, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
I recently happened upon this site that lists year-end charts for France before 1994, when records on SNEP's website begin, as well as sales estimates. Looking at the Source page, if it translated correctly, it seems like these ranking were compiled during the writing of a book that recorded the net sales of 7-inch/45 RPM singles; it also appears that (maxi-)CD singles were also included ( [1]). Does anyone have any thoughts on this site? ResPM ( T🔈 🎵C) 23:37, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
Since most charts in other countries are incorporating digital downloads and streaming, is it necessary to add the combined singles and albums chart, introduced in 2018, as a separate list in the Oricon lists because it gives it a more accurate picture of what the country is listening in recent years than sourcing from just physical sales. CrisBalboa1 ( talk) 13:03, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Just a heads-up, the Official UK Charts site has undergone a major makeover. All single/album chart URLs I bothered to check seem to be working, but it appears as if songs and albums now have their own pages where the charting data is kept, including data for genre-specific charts (examples: "James Bond Theme", Spiceworld, "Cold Heart", Thriller). If anything else has changed, please report it. ResPM ( T🔈 🎵C) 17:56, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Would the Tejano Gold Countdown be eligible for inclusion as a good chart to use in prose and chart tables? According to the website, it gathers airplay data and metrics from ten radio stations including iHeart Radio. According to their 'About Us' tab, it is hosted by news anchor for KIII, Rudy Trevino, who founded the Tejano Music Awards in 1980. The charts have been used by Tejano Nation and Trevino's Domingo Live segments on KIII. Thanks – jona ✉ 14:05, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
The Tokio Hot 100 has been described on the linked Wikipedia page as a single network airplay chart. However, according to the website it is compiled using the following components: Billboard JAPAN data: data for each music streaming service, download data, number of video views, CD sales data, number of tweets on Twitter [2] (translate to English). So this would seem to show that it is far from being single network airplay chart and at least covers the whole of Tokyo. Maybe this is new information that has come to light since it was added to deprecated list and it could be reconsidered ? QuintusPetillius ( talk) 19:01, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
A variety of IPs have been adding chart positions for "Top 100 Songs of [YEAR]" with links to "oldtimemusic.com" as the source. [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] The linked source pages include the statement "Below is a list from Billboard magazine’s Top ear-End Hot 100 songs for [YEAR]. Chart © by Billboard, a part of MRC Media and Info, a division of MRC. All Rights Reserved. Learn more about Billboard here. [link to WP Billboard page]". [8] [9] [10] [11] One problem with is that Billboard, the actual chart preparer, is not identified in their edits. Another is that chart positions for Billboard are already included in the same article and the two often show different positions.
A search of WP articles that include "Oldtimemusic.com" shows 268 different articles. [12] A quick review of the edit histories shows that these were added by IPs that only make one or two edits to add oldtimemusic.com before moving on to a new IP address (see links at end of first sentence). Propose to remove chart positions with Oldtimemusic.com as the source.
— Ojorojo ( talk) 15:18, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
I've seen articles that include European Hit Radio's Latvian airplay chart; however, isn't that chart a single-network chart since EHR is a radio station? Besides, there is already a reliable Latvian airplay chart, which is compiled by LaIPA. Jvaspad ( talk) 19:34, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
I was going through Let Me Reintroduce Myselfs page and there’s an airplay chart in Italy under EarOne, which appears to just a be a radio station in Italy. [16] — Is this considered a chart that should be included? Pillowdelight ( talk) 18:01, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
I've just seen that an article has been created for Billboard's newest chart, the TikTok Billboard Top 50. I've just removed the chart from two articles, as, no matter the size of the platform, it functions much like Billboard's Twitter Trending chart—it tracks what's trending on TikTok (the chart is "based on a combination of total creations, video views and user engagement"), so is basically a WP:SINGLENETWORK chart. Ss 112 01:22, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi there, not sure where best to raise this. Since the OCC re-designed their website, {{ album chart}} no longer works for the UK. It generates URLs like https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/_/Madonna/, which just give a 404 error...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 16:43, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi, how would you consider EarOne for airplay charts in Italy? I saw it added here but it's not in WP:GOODCHARTS. I'm also pinging Cavarrone who added it. Broc ( talk) 15:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
As somebody who regularly adds this chart (essentially the "bubbling under" of the Dutch Top 40), I must admit I wasn't aware until today that songs can "chart" before their release, as this IP editor pointed out. I'm not sure how this was even possible—do they count pre-release radio adds for chart placement? Trending "hype"? At the time the chart was published, Grande's song hadn't been officially released anywhere in the world yet, but it was already on the Tipparade. I feel like this is similar to how there was a consensus (now listed at WP:BADCHARTS) for the now-defunct Rolling Stone Top 200 Albums chart that we should not use it because it would start listing albums as "charting" months before their release (e.g. Sam Smith's Gloria) because the singles from those albums were being counted towards the overall album. What do editors here think? Ss 112 11:36, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Is this chart considered as a bad chart??? I saw this chart on Las Mujeres Ya No Lloran chart section. Here’s the link https://www.5music.com.tw/billboard.asp?top=6 ShakiraFandom ( talk) 17:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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Archive 15 | ← | Archive 18 | Archive 19 | Archive 20 |
India currently has only one official chart, the IMI International Top 20 Singles. When adding this chart to a table it's usually written as India (IMI), but a new acc randomly appeared last night insisting that this is wrong and misleading to say the song debuted at #1 in India since the IMI chart only tracks Intl songs and is not an "overall" chart and that it needs to be written as IMI Intl Singles and that Billboard's HOTW chart should also be included. They made several changes to " Left and Right accordingly (which I only reverted once) and also added unsourced and redundant information on the IMI chart article even though I explained why their edits were not appropriate. They reverted me twice there and I have zero energy to waste my breath explaining over and over when they don't seem to get it, so both articles are currently as that account last edited it. Could someone please take a look and do something if necessary? -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 20:24, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Within the past 3 weeks (inclu this one), the IMI chart url has began redirecting to spam/ad pages after the chart loads. Archiving it has also proved troublesome, esp on archive.vn, as it now saves as a captcha page instead of the chart. I asked an editor from another country to check on this for me, and they also experienced the same issues. Archiving on Wayback is hit or miss now as I am unable to save the usual archives, but someone else (idk who) has been able to save a few that show the chart. Idk if this person will continue to archive the chart page every week, so I'm a little worried about being able to properly preserve the records. Can anyone advise? -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 19:10, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Posting here per @ ResolutionsPerMinute's suggestion. Digital sales were not counted on the Billboard Hot 100 prior to February 2005 and thus including chart positions on the Hot Digital Tracks from before that date should not be against the component chart guideline. Is there any opposition to including this info on the project page? -- Sek-2 ( talk) 19:42, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
I recently happened upon this site that lists year-end charts for France before 1994, when records on SNEP's website begin, as well as sales estimates. Looking at the Source page, if it translated correctly, it seems like these ranking were compiled during the writing of a book that recorded the net sales of 7-inch/45 RPM singles; it also appears that (maxi-)CD singles were also included ( [1]). Does anyone have any thoughts on this site? ResPM ( T🔈 🎵C) 23:37, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
Since most charts in other countries are incorporating digital downloads and streaming, is it necessary to add the combined singles and albums chart, introduced in 2018, as a separate list in the Oricon lists because it gives it a more accurate picture of what the country is listening in recent years than sourcing from just physical sales. CrisBalboa1 ( talk) 13:03, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Just a heads-up, the Official UK Charts site has undergone a major makeover. All single/album chart URLs I bothered to check seem to be working, but it appears as if songs and albums now have their own pages where the charting data is kept, including data for genre-specific charts (examples: "James Bond Theme", Spiceworld, "Cold Heart", Thriller). If anything else has changed, please report it. ResPM ( T🔈 🎵C) 17:56, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Would the Tejano Gold Countdown be eligible for inclusion as a good chart to use in prose and chart tables? According to the website, it gathers airplay data and metrics from ten radio stations including iHeart Radio. According to their 'About Us' tab, it is hosted by news anchor for KIII, Rudy Trevino, who founded the Tejano Music Awards in 1980. The charts have been used by Tejano Nation and Trevino's Domingo Live segments on KIII. Thanks – jona ✉ 14:05, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
The Tokio Hot 100 has been described on the linked Wikipedia page as a single network airplay chart. However, according to the website it is compiled using the following components: Billboard JAPAN data: data for each music streaming service, download data, number of video views, CD sales data, number of tweets on Twitter [2] (translate to English). So this would seem to show that it is far from being single network airplay chart and at least covers the whole of Tokyo. Maybe this is new information that has come to light since it was added to deprecated list and it could be reconsidered ? QuintusPetillius ( talk) 19:01, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
A variety of IPs have been adding chart positions for "Top 100 Songs of [YEAR]" with links to "oldtimemusic.com" as the source. [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] The linked source pages include the statement "Below is a list from Billboard magazine’s Top ear-End Hot 100 songs for [YEAR]. Chart © by Billboard, a part of MRC Media and Info, a division of MRC. All Rights Reserved. Learn more about Billboard here. [link to WP Billboard page]". [8] [9] [10] [11] One problem with is that Billboard, the actual chart preparer, is not identified in their edits. Another is that chart positions for Billboard are already included in the same article and the two often show different positions.
A search of WP articles that include "Oldtimemusic.com" shows 268 different articles. [12] A quick review of the edit histories shows that these were added by IPs that only make one or two edits to add oldtimemusic.com before moving on to a new IP address (see links at end of first sentence). Propose to remove chart positions with Oldtimemusic.com as the source.
— Ojorojo ( talk) 15:18, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
I've seen articles that include European Hit Radio's Latvian airplay chart; however, isn't that chart a single-network chart since EHR is a radio station? Besides, there is already a reliable Latvian airplay chart, which is compiled by LaIPA. Jvaspad ( talk) 19:34, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
I was going through Let Me Reintroduce Myselfs page and there’s an airplay chart in Italy under EarOne, which appears to just a be a radio station in Italy. [16] — Is this considered a chart that should be included? Pillowdelight ( talk) 18:01, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
I've just seen that an article has been created for Billboard's newest chart, the TikTok Billboard Top 50. I've just removed the chart from two articles, as, no matter the size of the platform, it functions much like Billboard's Twitter Trending chart—it tracks what's trending on TikTok (the chart is "based on a combination of total creations, video views and user engagement"), so is basically a WP:SINGLENETWORK chart. Ss 112 01:22, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi there, not sure where best to raise this. Since the OCC re-designed their website, {{ album chart}} no longer works for the UK. It generates URLs like https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/_/Madonna/, which just give a 404 error...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 16:43, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi, how would you consider EarOne for airplay charts in Italy? I saw it added here but it's not in WP:GOODCHARTS. I'm also pinging Cavarrone who added it. Broc ( talk) 15:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
As somebody who regularly adds this chart (essentially the "bubbling under" of the Dutch Top 40), I must admit I wasn't aware until today that songs can "chart" before their release, as this IP editor pointed out. I'm not sure how this was even possible—do they count pre-release radio adds for chart placement? Trending "hype"? At the time the chart was published, Grande's song hadn't been officially released anywhere in the world yet, but it was already on the Tipparade. I feel like this is similar to how there was a consensus (now listed at WP:BADCHARTS) for the now-defunct Rolling Stone Top 200 Albums chart that we should not use it because it would start listing albums as "charting" months before their release (e.g. Sam Smith's Gloria) because the singles from those albums were being counted towards the overall album. What do editors here think? Ss 112 11:36, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Is this chart considered as a bad chart??? I saw this chart on Las Mujeres Ya No Lloran chart section. Here’s the link https://www.5music.com.tw/billboard.asp?top=6 ShakiraFandom ( talk) 17:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)