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Hi everyone. I would like to know if QQ Music and saoju.net are reliable sources and if can be used in Wikipedia. Both are Chinese sources, and we can found them in several articles, including List of best-selling albums in China or albums from some Western musicians. And both sources has been added for certifications and sales from China (see this or this example; although both were reverted and I think is fine). A few years ago, the main contributor from the List of best-selling albums in China article, argued about QQ Music: "It is the largest provider of legal, paid music & streaming in China, with its owner, Tencent, having a 70% share of the music market in China, as confirmed by the 2017 IFPI Global Music Report (see pag. 28)". Maybe that could be right, but idk if we can use them in case there is a music certification from QQ Music ( example) or in sales matters. So if they are RS or we need add them in "Websites to avoid" ( WP:CHARTS) or this discussion need to be open in Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard? Regards, -- Apoxyomenus ( talk) 23:00, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
The Portuguese charts are currently issued by a company called Audiogest, and no longer by AFP site, that is defunct. This link shows the weekly album charts for the current year, and the certifications appear in the chart, similar to the ancient AFP ones: http://www.audiogest.pt/-97?lang=pt
This other link shows the weekly airplay charts: http://audiogest.pt/top-airplay-2020?lang=pt
And this other one contains archives from both chart types: http://audiogest.pt/tops-vendas?lang=pt
I would like to know if these links could be included in the Portugal chart list. I'm Brazilian, so sorry if my English is bad. LuanCampSouza93 ( talk) 19:08, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
As per this discussion, would Australian-charts.com be considered a reliable source? 2603:8081:160A:BE2A:5908:73E8:2063:87AE ( talk) 13:38, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
I knew Hot Dance/Electronic Songs year-end charts page was vanished on February, but today Dance Club Songs year-end charts page was also vanished, What happened for Billboard?? Is it nothing for Hot Dance/Electronic Songs year-end 2020?? Tim96144 ( talk) 10:25, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
As editors may know, the UK Singles Chart has 200 positions, but positions 101 to 200 are only published in an obscure trade publication available by subscription, which makes it hard to source positions for songs that peaked in that range. Zobbel.de has details of songs that peaked within that range up to 2012, but for 2013 and 2014 it only lists the positions at which songs entered as opposed to peaked, and nothing at all from 2015 onwards. Would it be better to simply not list positions outside the top 100 in artist discography articles, given that the available info is so patchy........? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 19:37, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
Dutch Top 40 year-end although was published, but that's not correct. It have to wait until week 52's chart was published, and that is correct. Because before 2021 week 1, all positions may change. https://www.top40.nl/bijzondere-lijsten/top-100-jaaroverzichten/2020, this page has a link which was wrote in Dutch "Download lijst als PDF", unless the link has finished and had complete list, otherwise do not try to add too early. Yesterday an User:Ss112 didn't figured it out and added Dutch Top 40 year-end positions at will, caused a little confusion. I hope everyone who add Dutch Top 40 year-end position can notice this in the future. Tim96144 ( talk) 02:50, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I came across this Surinamese chart, the Nationale Top 40 Suriname, published by the Natio40 foundation. It was born in 2013 and until July of this year it had its own website but now the domain is for sale and the rankings are published on Facebook and Blogspot. In the Fb information I read that the chart is considered "the official hitparade of Suriname" and that "the composition takes place by processing data obtained from: airplay in various radio stations in Suriname, CMO - continuous musical research in collaboration with IDOS, an association of DJ of the country, through samples in music stores and finally trends on social media (so I assume that they also take streaming into account). Furthermore, many local newspapers consider it official, often reporting hits in the charts and new entries ( [1], [2] e [3]) Since Blogspot is blacklisted, how should you move in case of its possible use? -- Lrt000 ( talk) 15:44, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Have to admit, I'm absolutely nowhere on present-day song charts. Does anyone have any thoughts on the eight Billboard entries for the US at Come On to Me (Paul McCartney song)#Charts (perhaps the three Japanese entries also) ... are they all notable and appropriate for inclusion? Seems extraordinary to me, to be listing so many for one country – but as I say, I'm no expert. Thanks, JG66 ( talk) 14:42, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
For some odd reason their is a user who is adding EarOne as a chart position on Let Me Reintroduce Myself in Italy. EarOne is not a chart company, rather just an owner of multiple radio stations in Italy. EarOne is not listed on WP:BADCHARTS nor is it listed on WP:GOODCHARTS. I strongly disagree with it’s inclusion. I should also add that the user who added it as a chart seemingly admitted that EarOne is not even a chart company here. If anyone agrees or disagrees please feel free to comment. Pillowdelight ( talk) 03:06, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
Pillowdelight ( talk) 05:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
I asked this on the "Dynamite" talk page about a week ago but have not gotten a response so I'm trying here. In Japan there's Oricon and Billboard Japan. South Korea has Gaon Music Chart and the Billboard Korea Hot 100. I've seen both charts mentioned before in other articles, but in the Comm Perf section of this page only one chart is mentioned for each of these countries. Is anything wrong with mentioning both? Dynamite was the best-performing song of 2020 on the BBK Hot 100 having spent 17 weeks at number 1 and I believe this is a record worth mentioning but idk if it's ok to add or not. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 01:40, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
The OCC website is no longer publishing the Scottish Singles Chart and hasn't had the Welsh Singles Chart for quite a long time. Both charts are still being published in UKChartsPlus, but my email correspondence with them has told me that "a major digital service has stopped supplying regional data due to consumer policy" for both the Scottish and Welsh singles chart. So there is a big amount of download data missing from them now and neither charts included streaming anyway, and they said that now these charts will surprisingly be compiled mostly from physical sales. Non of the entries on this week's Scottish and Welsh charts made it onto the official UK singles Top 100 chart as a result. QuintusPetillius ( talk) 20:43, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
What is the notability for Billboard's listing for LyricFind Global? Is that an acceptable main chart or not really? Example: https://www.billboard.com/music/coldplay/chart-history/LGL/song/1243072 AngusW🐶🐶F ( bark • sniff) 18:58, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Here we go again. Let me get straight to the facts. Lately, several editors have been adding Poland's now-defunct (I believe) Lista Przebojów Programu Trzeciego (LP3) to song articles ( 1, 2, 3). Based on what I've seen and heard, this was Poland's only widely known music chart up until the early 2000s. Looking at this previous discussion, I see that several editors disagreed with adding it to the bad charts section because is supposedly comes from Polskie Radio. What is "comes from" supposed to mean here? I've checked around the site, but it's not too eager on explaining how exactly it works. It appears as if the radio station simply aired the chart, not compiled it. The list seems to be compiled by votes. Apparently, there was an earlier discussion about LP3, but I can't find it in the archives. Is it somewhere else? Well, regardless, let me continue.
On the main page, if you click on "Nagrania do głosowania", it opens a message. I translated the message on Google Translate, so please excuse the grammar. It says, "Throughout the week - until Friday, until At 12:00 we invite you to vote for a maximum of 10 songs from the voting kit. We will present the voting results in the Hit List after 19:05." It says viewers can vote for songs, and the site will publish the list at a certain time. I think Polskie Radio simply communicated the results via airplay. Furthermore, if you look at the final chart published on the main page, you can see that the top 30 mostly consists of rock song by rock musicians that don't get talked about anymore. The closest hit single I can find is Billie Eilish's " Everything I Wanted" at number 31, which also happens to be its peak...months after it was released. WTF? Looking at the countries bordering Poland for comparison, this song peaked at No. 9 in Germany, No. 2 in the Czech Republic, No. 3 in Slovakia, and No. 1 in Lithuania. I suppose this is not a strong argument, but considering I can't find runaway hits such as " The Ketchup Song (Aserejé)" and " Despacito", I don't believe my accusation is totally wrong here. I initially thought the Iron Curtain was the reason behind it, but comparing the ZPAV and LP3 charts on 23 July 2010 ( [12], [13]), it's clear that they are built differently. ZPAV obviously seems more believable. LP3 appears to be a site for rock fanatics to gather and compose a virtual critic's list.
I used to support LP3 because I love rock music, and because it was the only Polish chart I could find, but over the course of late 2019 and 2020, my opinion has shifted greatly, and I now find myself removing the chart or reverting edits that add the chart more and more often. I understand some editors believe this chart should be used, so I brought this issue here. However, as implied above, I think this chart should be added to the Bad Charts subsection of the project page. If I have made a mistake in my arguments, please point them out in simple terms so I can understand your logic. I'm pinging the participants of the archived discussion ( Synthwave.94, QuintusPetillius, Walter Görlitz), and I'll also ping Max24 since they also tried to start a discussion about LP3 but did not get a response. I'm going to bed now, so I won't be able to respond until about 12:45 UTC. ResPM ( T🔈 🎵C) 03:30, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
I was last here about the inclusion of multiple US and Japanese charts at a Paul McCartney song article; now, there's an editor looking to add what seem to me to be spin-off charts at Paul McCartney discography. Personally, at an artist's discography page, I'd expect to see only the most all-encompassing national sales chart for each country (whereas song and album articles might allow for more detail). But perhaps I've got that wrong ...?
So, could anyone tell me if the following are appropriate to use in a discography as representative of a single's chart performance in a given country, also if the sources are acceptable:
Thanks, JG66 ( talk) 07:02, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
Coolmarc mentioned it 5 years ago which says "Is Hits Daily Double reliable for sourcing sales?" but there is no reply. I noticed that Post Malone discography use Hits Daily Double for sourcing pure sales, but the sales data conflicts with data from Billboard/MRC data. (I mean I don't know to use which one as the reliable source) Taking the album Hollywood's Bleeding for example, MRC data's report says the album has a sales amount of 357,000 in 2019 and 117,000 in 2020, (474,000 total, from "MRC Data Year-End Report U.S. 2019" (PDF). Billboard. p. 29. and "MRC Data Year-End Report U.S. 2020" (PDF). Billboard. p. 46.) but Hits Daily Double says it is 312,000 in 2019 and 165,700 during 2020. (477,700 total, from 2019 Top 50 Albums and 2020 Top 50 Albums on hitsdailydouble.com). Is Hits Daily Double reliable for citing sales and which data of the two should be used? -- BrandNew Jim Zhang (talk) 02:35, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi! I was wondering if anyone could add to the singles chart template a new entry regarding the Portuguese airplay charts. The new Top 100 can be found here. Thanks! ManuelButera ( talk) 11:50, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
I see that iTunes charts are not considered for chart performance on songs or albums or wikipedia. But , in India , No official Charts are maintained by IMI(Indian Music Industry). The IMI considers iTunes India charts . Please refer IMI wikipedia page , it says the same. Hence , I propose that for India , iTunes India Charts be considered. IndieOKB ( talk) 05:17, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
@FandePopLatino Thank you for your reply. I visited this website you mentioned 'radiomoniter'for charts. But is it a reliable source? IndieOKB ( talk) 06:25, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
It's many times for the situation, all Billboard weekly charts have updated, then forgot another charts. In the past I had paid attention the problem, I found they forgot to update Country Airplay chart, or I also found they forgot updating Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart once, and this time forgot to update Hot 100 !! What a shameful company!! If can't update all weekly charts on time every week, I wonder, where is the credit of Billboard?? Especially for those editors that update Billboard charts every week?? Tim96144 ( talk) 14:14, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
User:Ss112: Please update Billboard weekly charts, all editors are waiting for your update, please update as soon as possible. 120.109.130.153 ( talk) 04:51, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone know where portugal's year-end charts can be found? I saw someone today talking about this but I only know of the hung medien site and didn't see anything on it like what that person mentioned (top 100 albums/top 3000 singles). I googled with no luck so asking here. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 19:37, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
WP:CHARTTRAJ needs to have a paragraph about how to document tentative charting positions, or mid-week/mid-period updates, from Official Charts Company (which uses the https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/albums-chart-update/ link) and other charts, which may place the song/album until the official report comes out later. Per discussion with @ Ss112: on my talk page, the temporary position or TBA should not added as a chart entry on the song or album's page, and any verbiage concerning estimated charting should only be in the prose section if sufficiently documented, example Made in the Pyrex [19] Otherwise, wait for the final version to come out. The dash should still be used for discographies. AngusW🐶🐶F ( bark • sniff) 20:32, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
VG-lista from Norway, seems to divide their ("yearly") charts per season (Winter, Christmas etc). I noticed those peaks provided by VG-Lista are used in numerous year-end charts, we can see an example in Enrique. That's acceptable or is something to avoid? -- Apoxyomenus ( talk) 03:37, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
I've noticed that we state that aCharts is a mirror of the PROHON website, however this is incorrect. If we take Positions (Ariana Grande song) as an example, for the w/c 25th December, aCharts have it at number one but PROHON have it at number seven. I've searched PROHON archives and there's no mention of the song reaching number. On this basis, I suggest we note acharts is not reliable for Bulgarian singles. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 21:36, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
I notice that Latvijas Top 40 is cited in some articles as the Official Latvian singles chart, however it is just one Latvian radio station. I can't see anything on their website. which says it is the definitive/official chart. Other radio stations such as Radio SWH and Spin Radio also produce charts. Does anyone know if any of these are official? ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 21:46, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone know if a song has entered the Japan Hot 100 the chat mentioned above can be used simultaneously? Or only if it hasn't charted on the Japan Hot 100? Is independent from it?
Greetings, MarioSoulTruthFan ( talk) 18:42, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
I'd argue that if a song has charted on the Hot 100 then you should not include the Hot Oversees chart. That's what logic we applied to the Billboard Global 200 and Global 200 exc. US. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 22:20, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Cashbox Magazine is now active again and producing music charts. Given that Rollingstone Top 100 was adopted despite not really being widely recognised (publisher aside), what are people's thoughts on it being used? ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 22:18, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Hey I found this page archive with the official airplay chart in Uruguay before the site stopped. This was the country's official airplay chart and it shows on the side of the page how the chart is calculated. Seems pretty reliable and other wikipedia users also agree. We think we could use it on Wikipedia. What do you guys think? FanDePopLatino ( talk) 00:54, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Appears to be good. For that airplay chart they specified data was supplied by 30 radio stations across that small nation and seem isn't a WP:SINGLENETWORK problem. I also noticed they listed in their external websites national organizations such as CUD (official certification body in that country), AGADU or ANDEBU. The problem with the highest peak position is comparable with European Top 100 Albums by Music & Media as well other websites such as charts by CAPIF among others in which editor need to search by himself/herself that peak position or include the "known highest position". The other worried part came with the "archiving problems" as WP:GOODCHARTS states "many reliable charts are not included on this list, primarily due to archiving problems". Perhaps doesn't need an inclusion here (GOOD/ACCEPTABLE CHARTS) which is fine but overall IMHO it can be used for those songs available under existing archives as it happens with other charts not listed here. BTW, website also contains rankings for Argentina and have yearly charts (2003- 2006); I don't have an opinion (yet) for that chart. Regards, -- Apoxyomenus ( talk) 16:26, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
Do you guys think chartmasters.org is a reliable source for worldwide sales data? Their CSPC method seems to be very efficient, but I have no idea where they are getting their sales figures from. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.241.160.44 ( talk • contribs) 21:29, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Billboard has posted that Hot 100 and Global charts will be delay to announced on May 18 on Twitter, but now it's on May 19, Billboard dosen't still announce, it has a lot of abuses on Twitter Billboard Charts, Who can tell what's wrong with Billboard? Tim96144 ( talk) 02:11, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
I see someone is adding the Ultratop All-time charts. I think listing being all-time 4,000 in Belgium is WP:TOOMUCH. -- Muhandes ( talk) 06:32, 19 May 2021 (UTC) pinging RingoSmitz -- Muhandes ( talk) 06:37, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Both ResPM and Richard3120 pointed out (and JohnFromPinckney agrees) the most important fact which I missed: these "charts" are non-static, which should obviously exclude them. Since obvious things always need to be explicitly specified, I propose to add the following line to the Suitable charts section:
3. It is static, that is, the data in the chart cannot change. This excludes dynamic "all-time" charts, such as the ones published by Hung Medien.
The words "both of" at the first sentence would also be deleted. Any objections? -- Muhandes ( talk) 13:59, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Is top-charts.com a reliable source for chart listings? I have observed that it was powered by AppGeneration but I am not sure if the charts they have displayed are reliable or not. I am really looking for a record chart for Philippines and somehow the charts here could be one. Cairo ● 💌 ● ✒️ 07:35, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
I am here again. So, I have found another chart which is the Top 30 Asia covering eight countries in Southeast Asia published by Music Weekly Asia. I want to ask others if the charts here are reliable or not. Also, I have noticed on Itzy's It'z Different, it was added on the chart section. Could anyone have a check on this? Thanks. Cairo ● 💌 ● ✒️ 18:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
This chart was discussed at Wikipedia talk:Record charts/Archive 13#Music Weekly Asia charts. The comments there suggest that this isn't a promising chart. ✗ plicit 03:40, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Can TurnTable Charts be added as a charting system for Nigerian music? It's Nigeria's first aggregate music chart and would be helpful in Nigerian music related articles. Thanks. Princess of Ara(talk) 12:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Many culturally relevant songs are currently surfacing due to their popularity on TikTok examples include; Wellerman sung by The Longest Johns, "Castaways" and "Into the Thick of it" by The Backyardigans and Ahses by Stellar. I think we need a way of citing how popular these viral songs are on social media, rather than a wholly commercial one. In lieu of a proper chart system for tracking song usage on social media platforms I propose the usage of the Spotify Viral 50 chart list https://spotifycharts.com/viral/global/weekly/latest. Gsykesvoyage ( talk) 19:11, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
Can the charts of Radio & Records, Gavin Report, and Cash Box be added to WP:GOODCHARTS? Most, if not all, back issues are archived at https://worldradiohistory.com. I've seen Cash Box chart positions cited to this website's archives, primarily for 1950s and 1960s artists. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 03:09, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Finally India have an official top 20 chart, compiled by Indian Music Industry and based on streams from Spotify, Apple Music and Amazon Music! [20] [21] -- Lrt000 ( talk) 23:19, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
The IFPI Finland site (Musiikkituottajat) doesn't show anymore the peaks for albums and singles. What can being to do in this case? LuanCampSouza93 ( talk) 22:34, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
I have some doubts about which is the Official Taiwanese Albums chart. Some think that it would be G-Music, which is the most popular record album chart in Taiwan and it's still active as you can see the chart here: https://www.g-music.com.tw/website_module.php?website_module_classify_sn=106
But other album charts in Taiwan includes Five Music and KKBox, but these are WP:SINGLEVENDOR/limited-statistic charts. Anyone knows if there's an official national album chart in Taiwan? RingoSmitz ( talk) 22:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Charts from the site Radioairplay.fm have been appearing on wiki recently (countries like Uganda, Serbia, North Macedonia, UAE and others). The site says it gets the chart data from Radiomonitor which states Radiomonitor monitors the music played on radio and TV in over 120 countries. This airplay data is used by all major record labels, music broadcasters, media, PR and for royalty management. Access to this data is provided through a suite of powerful online tools, via the Radiomonitor App, by emailed reports or through a custom data feed."
I noticed that airplay charts already used by Wikipedia, for example Czech Republic, do not match with airplay chart posted on this site. Other examples: Russia ( Radiomonitor vs TopHit), Slovenia ( Radiomonitor vs SloTop50), Bulgaria ( Radiomonitor vs PROPHON) .
Does anyone know if these charts are reliable and notable to include on Wiki? Cool Marc ✉ 16:22, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Radiomonitor is a British music company worldwide airplay of songs, with the information given to record labels and radio stations. They have established partnerships with several international companies located in Ireland, Australia and South Africa, and compiled several airplay OFFICIAL charts in the United Kingdom, Italy, South Africa, Nigeria and more. Also, the company work in some small countries as base of the most consumed songs in these countries provided by official music company of the country. Radiomonitor can be an official charts in small countries that don’t have a company to accurate these informations about songs and not countries where already has an official company. The page here on Wikipedia has all reference and operation. Accept radiomonitor as official chart of small countries https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiomonitor Biduxm ( talk) 20:16, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
Muhandes Richard3120 Walter Görlitz, Biduxm, The South African chart is run by a separate Radiomonitor South Africa company that's based in Cape Town, South Africa. They have been posting a Weekly Top 20 chart on social media for a few years now, with more charts dating back on their Facebook page. A number of South African publications and websites appear to recognize this as the country's airplay chart as well 1 2 3 4. Chart methodology is based on audience impressions from 170 radio and 24 TV stations in the country per provided sources. Being South African myself, it does look like a true reflection of popularity here similar to the Entertainment Monitoring Africa chart from several years ago.
Outside of South Africa, Australia and the UK, I'm not sure that the other countries have separate Radiomonitor companies physically running these Airplay charts. The ones like Serbia, Macedonia etc all seem to only feature international artists and don't have a clear methodology or secondary sources written about them. Might be best to assess each on a case-by-case basis? Cool Marc ✉ 23:41, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
The UNIMPRO has started publishing streaming-based weekly charts on their website. Although the first published chart is from two weeks ago, they have been compiling the charts for 38 weeks, so there are several peaks to be added! And maybe we can get rid of those poorly representative Monitor Latino charts for yet another Latin American country. ×°˜`°× ηαη¢у×°˜`°× 21:34, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi, last week RiSA finally launched an official charts system for the country: via the portal TOSAC the IFPI affiliate publish two weekly top 100 of the most streamed songs on the most important platforms in South Africa: Spotify, Deezer and Apple Music. While one is only for domestic repertoire, the other including international tracks. -- Lrt000 ( talk) 21:26, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Since 2020, I found this blog ( http://top100chile.blogspot.com/?m=1) and after some search I discovered this blog was an official site before but down after. Currently the unique official charts for Chile on Wikipedia is Monitorlatino but the report of this blog is accurate by stream/copies. How blogs aren’t a REF, can it have a change to be a possible source of Chile’s chart? Biduxm ( talk) 20:27, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
Until 1958, Billboard published separate sales/airplay/jukebox charts for the country and R&B genres, before merging them into what would now be called multi-metric charts in the autumn of that year. Should any records/statistics relating to those earlier charts be included in our articles on the multi-metric charts? I ask because the article on Hot Country Songs has a list of the longest-running number ones, and some of them are pre-1958 and therefore didn't appear on the "Hot" chart at all...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 09:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
These should either be removed or it made clear they are not the main official chart. Coachtripfan ( talk) 10:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I think the Year-End Top 3000 charts are WP:TOOMUCH. For example, A 2016 single which charted #1513 in 2019, seems a little silly to me. I don't think the entire chart should be labeled "bad", but we should limit ourselves to meaningful information, say, top 100 or top 200 at most. ( list of usages)
Note: I previously initiated a similar discussion about all-time charts, and there was agreement that they are WP:TOOMUCH, but a more important reason (not being static) was used for deprecating them. I am initiating this discussion to consider charts which are static, but seem excessive. Pinging past participants JohnFromPinckney, ResolutionsPerMinute, RingoSmitz, Richard3120, Magiciandude, Apoxyomenus, Ss112 and courtesy pinging Eurohunter who added the charts. -- Muhandes ( talk) 10:29, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
It is proposed to limit chart tables to position 200 for every chart, be it single or album, weekly, yearly, decade or all-time. -- Muhandes ( talk) 12:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
I don't see many uses of the Belarus chart Unistar Radio Top 20. I can't find any information about the methodology, it might be single vendor or it might even be Vadim Savin's personal preference. Any opinions? Should it be added to WP:BADCHARTS? -- Muhandes ( talk) 10:22, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
Right now, all of charts besides the Hot 100 aren't working and, I really hope I'm wrong here, but it looks Billboard removed the artists chart history pages. Not to sound conspiratorial because I know it's not true, but it's almost like they're doing this just to spite us. EDIT: Never mind, the artists page is still up, but the links to other charts still don't work. EDIT 2: The links to other charts work now. Erick ( talk) 00:23, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Should records pertaining to Rolling Stone charts, more specifically the Top 100, be kept in articles? Or should they be removed because the chart is now defunct? An editor recently removed a record citing that as a justification, so I wanted to hear different opinions about it, to know if that's a valid reason or not. - Ïvana ( talk) 19:36, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Yesterday Billboard Việt Nam launched the Vietnam Hot 100, the first official chart for the country based on streaming data from MRC which includes Vietnamese and foreign launguage songs. -- Lrt000 ( talk) 11:11, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello Wiki world! I'm really confused on why Billboards LyricFind Charts are not a notable chart? I mean artist are making tons of money from these Lyric searches and it's like they are selling the music. Only difference is they make the money through LyricFind who collects the royalties for these searches. So there is a reason Billboard created a chart for this, so why is Wikipedia shying away from these charts. If so many people are searching for your lyrics to your song that you hit the charts then you should be notable. Someone needs to look into this asap as these charts on Billboard exist for a reason and also produce revenue so if millions are searching for your lyrics that turns into a check. You are not only high on the charts but you are getting paid as well. So it might not be record sales but searches equate to revenue 1000 percent. Maybe the wiki gods could factor this into the notability chart system at some point moving forward. Here is the current link to the charts here https://www.billboard.com/charts/lyricfind-global/ I read here /info/en/?search=Wikipedia_talk:Record_charts/Archive_17#Notability_for_LyricFind_Global that its not notable because it has nothing to do with sales or listening to the song or watching a video, but what it did not say is money is 1000 percent being earned for these lyrical searches and this is why I believe Wikipedia should factor these charts into the system. If you are popular on these charts that means you are a highly search individual. Godsentme1 ( talk) 04:07, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
QuintusPetillius Yes thanks for agreeing. It is 2021 when someone is searching for your music so much that it appears on the charts then there should be some form of notability from that alone. I heard Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars and Richard3120 say something about It being trivia and some significance needs to be attached along with reliable sources or we don't know how many people search the lyrics, well the fact that it charts on Billboard is very significant Billboard is the biggest chart in the music industry so I see this as being a reliable source just on its own. That's like buying a Honda Accord and Then Buying a Honda civic then someone comes and says your Honda can't make it to the supermarket. That would be a lie because just cause the Hondas are different they both do what they are intended to do and that's drive down the street. Billboard is intended to pull "Popular" chart data and compile it to the most popular data by numbers. So If a song is appearing on the LyricFind Billboard charts it is deemed popular we don't need to know how many people searched the song, that's what we have Billboard for they are the ones who gather the data and decide what songs were searched the most and then place on the charts by numbers. So if Wikipedia trusts Billboard as a source then again I do not see why LyricFind Billboard charts are not counted for notability. Again this needs to be looked at by someone of authority. If you are charting on these charts it equates to you being highly searched, which holds as notability In my eyes. If you have again millions searching you up on the internet then how are you not notable? To me it does not make any sense at all. Hopefully someone authoritative can check this out. Good day to everyone who has responded as well and cheers :) Godsentme1 ( talk) 23:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
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Hi everyone. I would like to know if QQ Music and saoju.net are reliable sources and if can be used in Wikipedia. Both are Chinese sources, and we can found them in several articles, including List of best-selling albums in China or albums from some Western musicians. And both sources has been added for certifications and sales from China (see this or this example; although both were reverted and I think is fine). A few years ago, the main contributor from the List of best-selling albums in China article, argued about QQ Music: "It is the largest provider of legal, paid music & streaming in China, with its owner, Tencent, having a 70% share of the music market in China, as confirmed by the 2017 IFPI Global Music Report (see pag. 28)". Maybe that could be right, but idk if we can use them in case there is a music certification from QQ Music ( example) or in sales matters. So if they are RS or we need add them in "Websites to avoid" ( WP:CHARTS) or this discussion need to be open in Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard? Regards, -- Apoxyomenus ( talk) 23:00, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
The Portuguese charts are currently issued by a company called Audiogest, and no longer by AFP site, that is defunct. This link shows the weekly album charts for the current year, and the certifications appear in the chart, similar to the ancient AFP ones: http://www.audiogest.pt/-97?lang=pt
This other link shows the weekly airplay charts: http://audiogest.pt/top-airplay-2020?lang=pt
And this other one contains archives from both chart types: http://audiogest.pt/tops-vendas?lang=pt
I would like to know if these links could be included in the Portugal chart list. I'm Brazilian, so sorry if my English is bad. LuanCampSouza93 ( talk) 19:08, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
As per this discussion, would Australian-charts.com be considered a reliable source? 2603:8081:160A:BE2A:5908:73E8:2063:87AE ( talk) 13:38, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
I knew Hot Dance/Electronic Songs year-end charts page was vanished on February, but today Dance Club Songs year-end charts page was also vanished, What happened for Billboard?? Is it nothing for Hot Dance/Electronic Songs year-end 2020?? Tim96144 ( talk) 10:25, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
As editors may know, the UK Singles Chart has 200 positions, but positions 101 to 200 are only published in an obscure trade publication available by subscription, which makes it hard to source positions for songs that peaked in that range. Zobbel.de has details of songs that peaked within that range up to 2012, but for 2013 and 2014 it only lists the positions at which songs entered as opposed to peaked, and nothing at all from 2015 onwards. Would it be better to simply not list positions outside the top 100 in artist discography articles, given that the available info is so patchy........? -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 19:37, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
Dutch Top 40 year-end although was published, but that's not correct. It have to wait until week 52's chart was published, and that is correct. Because before 2021 week 1, all positions may change. https://www.top40.nl/bijzondere-lijsten/top-100-jaaroverzichten/2020, this page has a link which was wrote in Dutch "Download lijst als PDF", unless the link has finished and had complete list, otherwise do not try to add too early. Yesterday an User:Ss112 didn't figured it out and added Dutch Top 40 year-end positions at will, caused a little confusion. I hope everyone who add Dutch Top 40 year-end position can notice this in the future. Tim96144 ( talk) 02:50, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I came across this Surinamese chart, the Nationale Top 40 Suriname, published by the Natio40 foundation. It was born in 2013 and until July of this year it had its own website but now the domain is for sale and the rankings are published on Facebook and Blogspot. In the Fb information I read that the chart is considered "the official hitparade of Suriname" and that "the composition takes place by processing data obtained from: airplay in various radio stations in Suriname, CMO - continuous musical research in collaboration with IDOS, an association of DJ of the country, through samples in music stores and finally trends on social media (so I assume that they also take streaming into account). Furthermore, many local newspapers consider it official, often reporting hits in the charts and new entries ( [1], [2] e [3]) Since Blogspot is blacklisted, how should you move in case of its possible use? -- Lrt000 ( talk) 15:44, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Have to admit, I'm absolutely nowhere on present-day song charts. Does anyone have any thoughts on the eight Billboard entries for the US at Come On to Me (Paul McCartney song)#Charts (perhaps the three Japanese entries also) ... are they all notable and appropriate for inclusion? Seems extraordinary to me, to be listing so many for one country – but as I say, I'm no expert. Thanks, JG66 ( talk) 14:42, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
For some odd reason their is a user who is adding EarOne as a chart position on Let Me Reintroduce Myself in Italy. EarOne is not a chart company, rather just an owner of multiple radio stations in Italy. EarOne is not listed on WP:BADCHARTS nor is it listed on WP:GOODCHARTS. I strongly disagree with it’s inclusion. I should also add that the user who added it as a chart seemingly admitted that EarOne is not even a chart company here. If anyone agrees or disagrees please feel free to comment. Pillowdelight ( talk) 03:06, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
Pillowdelight ( talk) 05:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
I asked this on the "Dynamite" talk page about a week ago but have not gotten a response so I'm trying here. In Japan there's Oricon and Billboard Japan. South Korea has Gaon Music Chart and the Billboard Korea Hot 100. I've seen both charts mentioned before in other articles, but in the Comm Perf section of this page only one chart is mentioned for each of these countries. Is anything wrong with mentioning both? Dynamite was the best-performing song of 2020 on the BBK Hot 100 having spent 17 weeks at number 1 and I believe this is a record worth mentioning but idk if it's ok to add or not. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 01:40, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
The OCC website is no longer publishing the Scottish Singles Chart and hasn't had the Welsh Singles Chart for quite a long time. Both charts are still being published in UKChartsPlus, but my email correspondence with them has told me that "a major digital service has stopped supplying regional data due to consumer policy" for both the Scottish and Welsh singles chart. So there is a big amount of download data missing from them now and neither charts included streaming anyway, and they said that now these charts will surprisingly be compiled mostly from physical sales. Non of the entries on this week's Scottish and Welsh charts made it onto the official UK singles Top 100 chart as a result. QuintusPetillius ( talk) 20:43, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
What is the notability for Billboard's listing for LyricFind Global? Is that an acceptable main chart or not really? Example: https://www.billboard.com/music/coldplay/chart-history/LGL/song/1243072 AngusW🐶🐶F ( bark • sniff) 18:58, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Here we go again. Let me get straight to the facts. Lately, several editors have been adding Poland's now-defunct (I believe) Lista Przebojów Programu Trzeciego (LP3) to song articles ( 1, 2, 3). Based on what I've seen and heard, this was Poland's only widely known music chart up until the early 2000s. Looking at this previous discussion, I see that several editors disagreed with adding it to the bad charts section because is supposedly comes from Polskie Radio. What is "comes from" supposed to mean here? I've checked around the site, but it's not too eager on explaining how exactly it works. It appears as if the radio station simply aired the chart, not compiled it. The list seems to be compiled by votes. Apparently, there was an earlier discussion about LP3, but I can't find it in the archives. Is it somewhere else? Well, regardless, let me continue.
On the main page, if you click on "Nagrania do głosowania", it opens a message. I translated the message on Google Translate, so please excuse the grammar. It says, "Throughout the week - until Friday, until At 12:00 we invite you to vote for a maximum of 10 songs from the voting kit. We will present the voting results in the Hit List after 19:05." It says viewers can vote for songs, and the site will publish the list at a certain time. I think Polskie Radio simply communicated the results via airplay. Furthermore, if you look at the final chart published on the main page, you can see that the top 30 mostly consists of rock song by rock musicians that don't get talked about anymore. The closest hit single I can find is Billie Eilish's " Everything I Wanted" at number 31, which also happens to be its peak...months after it was released. WTF? Looking at the countries bordering Poland for comparison, this song peaked at No. 9 in Germany, No. 2 in the Czech Republic, No. 3 in Slovakia, and No. 1 in Lithuania. I suppose this is not a strong argument, but considering I can't find runaway hits such as " The Ketchup Song (Aserejé)" and " Despacito", I don't believe my accusation is totally wrong here. I initially thought the Iron Curtain was the reason behind it, but comparing the ZPAV and LP3 charts on 23 July 2010 ( [12], [13]), it's clear that they are built differently. ZPAV obviously seems more believable. LP3 appears to be a site for rock fanatics to gather and compose a virtual critic's list.
I used to support LP3 because I love rock music, and because it was the only Polish chart I could find, but over the course of late 2019 and 2020, my opinion has shifted greatly, and I now find myself removing the chart or reverting edits that add the chart more and more often. I understand some editors believe this chart should be used, so I brought this issue here. However, as implied above, I think this chart should be added to the Bad Charts subsection of the project page. If I have made a mistake in my arguments, please point them out in simple terms so I can understand your logic. I'm pinging the participants of the archived discussion ( Synthwave.94, QuintusPetillius, Walter Görlitz), and I'll also ping Max24 since they also tried to start a discussion about LP3 but did not get a response. I'm going to bed now, so I won't be able to respond until about 12:45 UTC. ResPM ( T🔈 🎵C) 03:30, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
I was last here about the inclusion of multiple US and Japanese charts at a Paul McCartney song article; now, there's an editor looking to add what seem to me to be spin-off charts at Paul McCartney discography. Personally, at an artist's discography page, I'd expect to see only the most all-encompassing national sales chart for each country (whereas song and album articles might allow for more detail). But perhaps I've got that wrong ...?
So, could anyone tell me if the following are appropriate to use in a discography as representative of a single's chart performance in a given country, also if the sources are acceptable:
Thanks, JG66 ( talk) 07:02, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
Coolmarc mentioned it 5 years ago which says "Is Hits Daily Double reliable for sourcing sales?" but there is no reply. I noticed that Post Malone discography use Hits Daily Double for sourcing pure sales, but the sales data conflicts with data from Billboard/MRC data. (I mean I don't know to use which one as the reliable source) Taking the album Hollywood's Bleeding for example, MRC data's report says the album has a sales amount of 357,000 in 2019 and 117,000 in 2020, (474,000 total, from "MRC Data Year-End Report U.S. 2019" (PDF). Billboard. p. 29. and "MRC Data Year-End Report U.S. 2020" (PDF). Billboard. p. 46.) but Hits Daily Double says it is 312,000 in 2019 and 165,700 during 2020. (477,700 total, from 2019 Top 50 Albums and 2020 Top 50 Albums on hitsdailydouble.com). Is Hits Daily Double reliable for citing sales and which data of the two should be used? -- BrandNew Jim Zhang (talk) 02:35, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi! I was wondering if anyone could add to the singles chart template a new entry regarding the Portuguese airplay charts. The new Top 100 can be found here. Thanks! ManuelButera ( talk) 11:50, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
I see that iTunes charts are not considered for chart performance on songs or albums or wikipedia. But , in India , No official Charts are maintained by IMI(Indian Music Industry). The IMI considers iTunes India charts . Please refer IMI wikipedia page , it says the same. Hence , I propose that for India , iTunes India Charts be considered. IndieOKB ( talk) 05:17, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
@FandePopLatino Thank you for your reply. I visited this website you mentioned 'radiomoniter'for charts. But is it a reliable source? IndieOKB ( talk) 06:25, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
It's many times for the situation, all Billboard weekly charts have updated, then forgot another charts. In the past I had paid attention the problem, I found they forgot to update Country Airplay chart, or I also found they forgot updating Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart once, and this time forgot to update Hot 100 !! What a shameful company!! If can't update all weekly charts on time every week, I wonder, where is the credit of Billboard?? Especially for those editors that update Billboard charts every week?? Tim96144 ( talk) 14:14, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
User:Ss112: Please update Billboard weekly charts, all editors are waiting for your update, please update as soon as possible. 120.109.130.153 ( talk) 04:51, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone know where portugal's year-end charts can be found? I saw someone today talking about this but I only know of the hung medien site and didn't see anything on it like what that person mentioned (top 100 albums/top 3000 singles). I googled with no luck so asking here. -- Carlobunnie ( talk) 19:37, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
WP:CHARTTRAJ needs to have a paragraph about how to document tentative charting positions, or mid-week/mid-period updates, from Official Charts Company (which uses the https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/albums-chart-update/ link) and other charts, which may place the song/album until the official report comes out later. Per discussion with @ Ss112: on my talk page, the temporary position or TBA should not added as a chart entry on the song or album's page, and any verbiage concerning estimated charting should only be in the prose section if sufficiently documented, example Made in the Pyrex [19] Otherwise, wait for the final version to come out. The dash should still be used for discographies. AngusW🐶🐶F ( bark • sniff) 20:32, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
VG-lista from Norway, seems to divide their ("yearly") charts per season (Winter, Christmas etc). I noticed those peaks provided by VG-Lista are used in numerous year-end charts, we can see an example in Enrique. That's acceptable or is something to avoid? -- Apoxyomenus ( talk) 03:37, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
I've noticed that we state that aCharts is a mirror of the PROHON website, however this is incorrect. If we take Positions (Ariana Grande song) as an example, for the w/c 25th December, aCharts have it at number one but PROHON have it at number seven. I've searched PROHON archives and there's no mention of the song reaching number. On this basis, I suggest we note acharts is not reliable for Bulgarian singles. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 21:36, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
I notice that Latvijas Top 40 is cited in some articles as the Official Latvian singles chart, however it is just one Latvian radio station. I can't see anything on their website. which says it is the definitive/official chart. Other radio stations such as Radio SWH and Spin Radio also produce charts. Does anyone know if any of these are official? ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 21:46, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone know if a song has entered the Japan Hot 100 the chat mentioned above can be used simultaneously? Or only if it hasn't charted on the Japan Hot 100? Is independent from it?
Greetings, MarioSoulTruthFan ( talk) 18:42, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
I'd argue that if a song has charted on the Hot 100 then you should not include the Hot Oversees chart. That's what logic we applied to the Billboard Global 200 and Global 200 exc. US. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 22:20, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Cashbox Magazine is now active again and producing music charts. Given that Rollingstone Top 100 was adopted despite not really being widely recognised (publisher aside), what are people's thoughts on it being used? ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 22:18, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Hey I found this page archive with the official airplay chart in Uruguay before the site stopped. This was the country's official airplay chart and it shows on the side of the page how the chart is calculated. Seems pretty reliable and other wikipedia users also agree. We think we could use it on Wikipedia. What do you guys think? FanDePopLatino ( talk) 00:54, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Appears to be good. For that airplay chart they specified data was supplied by 30 radio stations across that small nation and seem isn't a WP:SINGLENETWORK problem. I also noticed they listed in their external websites national organizations such as CUD (official certification body in that country), AGADU or ANDEBU. The problem with the highest peak position is comparable with European Top 100 Albums by Music & Media as well other websites such as charts by CAPIF among others in which editor need to search by himself/herself that peak position or include the "known highest position". The other worried part came with the "archiving problems" as WP:GOODCHARTS states "many reliable charts are not included on this list, primarily due to archiving problems". Perhaps doesn't need an inclusion here (GOOD/ACCEPTABLE CHARTS) which is fine but overall IMHO it can be used for those songs available under existing archives as it happens with other charts not listed here. BTW, website also contains rankings for Argentina and have yearly charts (2003- 2006); I don't have an opinion (yet) for that chart. Regards, -- Apoxyomenus ( talk) 16:26, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
Do you guys think chartmasters.org is a reliable source for worldwide sales data? Their CSPC method seems to be very efficient, but I have no idea where they are getting their sales figures from. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.241.160.44 ( talk • contribs) 21:29, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Billboard has posted that Hot 100 and Global charts will be delay to announced on May 18 on Twitter, but now it's on May 19, Billboard dosen't still announce, it has a lot of abuses on Twitter Billboard Charts, Who can tell what's wrong with Billboard? Tim96144 ( talk) 02:11, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
I see someone is adding the Ultratop All-time charts. I think listing being all-time 4,000 in Belgium is WP:TOOMUCH. -- Muhandes ( talk) 06:32, 19 May 2021 (UTC) pinging RingoSmitz -- Muhandes ( talk) 06:37, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Both ResPM and Richard3120 pointed out (and JohnFromPinckney agrees) the most important fact which I missed: these "charts" are non-static, which should obviously exclude them. Since obvious things always need to be explicitly specified, I propose to add the following line to the Suitable charts section:
3. It is static, that is, the data in the chart cannot change. This excludes dynamic "all-time" charts, such as the ones published by Hung Medien.
The words "both of" at the first sentence would also be deleted. Any objections? -- Muhandes ( talk) 13:59, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Is top-charts.com a reliable source for chart listings? I have observed that it was powered by AppGeneration but I am not sure if the charts they have displayed are reliable or not. I am really looking for a record chart for Philippines and somehow the charts here could be one. Cairo ● 💌 ● ✒️ 07:35, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
I am here again. So, I have found another chart which is the Top 30 Asia covering eight countries in Southeast Asia published by Music Weekly Asia. I want to ask others if the charts here are reliable or not. Also, I have noticed on Itzy's It'z Different, it was added on the chart section. Could anyone have a check on this? Thanks. Cairo ● 💌 ● ✒️ 18:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
This chart was discussed at Wikipedia talk:Record charts/Archive 13#Music Weekly Asia charts. The comments there suggest that this isn't a promising chart. ✗ plicit 03:40, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Can TurnTable Charts be added as a charting system for Nigerian music? It's Nigeria's first aggregate music chart and would be helpful in Nigerian music related articles. Thanks. Princess of Ara(talk) 12:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Many culturally relevant songs are currently surfacing due to their popularity on TikTok examples include; Wellerman sung by The Longest Johns, "Castaways" and "Into the Thick of it" by The Backyardigans and Ahses by Stellar. I think we need a way of citing how popular these viral songs are on social media, rather than a wholly commercial one. In lieu of a proper chart system for tracking song usage on social media platforms I propose the usage of the Spotify Viral 50 chart list https://spotifycharts.com/viral/global/weekly/latest. Gsykesvoyage ( talk) 19:11, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
Can the charts of Radio & Records, Gavin Report, and Cash Box be added to WP:GOODCHARTS? Most, if not all, back issues are archived at https://worldradiohistory.com. I've seen Cash Box chart positions cited to this website's archives, primarily for 1950s and 1960s artists. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 03:09, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Finally India have an official top 20 chart, compiled by Indian Music Industry and based on streams from Spotify, Apple Music and Amazon Music! [20] [21] -- Lrt000 ( talk) 23:19, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
The IFPI Finland site (Musiikkituottajat) doesn't show anymore the peaks for albums and singles. What can being to do in this case? LuanCampSouza93 ( talk) 22:34, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
I have some doubts about which is the Official Taiwanese Albums chart. Some think that it would be G-Music, which is the most popular record album chart in Taiwan and it's still active as you can see the chart here: https://www.g-music.com.tw/website_module.php?website_module_classify_sn=106
But other album charts in Taiwan includes Five Music and KKBox, but these are WP:SINGLEVENDOR/limited-statistic charts. Anyone knows if there's an official national album chart in Taiwan? RingoSmitz ( talk) 22:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Charts from the site Radioairplay.fm have been appearing on wiki recently (countries like Uganda, Serbia, North Macedonia, UAE and others). The site says it gets the chart data from Radiomonitor which states Radiomonitor monitors the music played on radio and TV in over 120 countries. This airplay data is used by all major record labels, music broadcasters, media, PR and for royalty management. Access to this data is provided through a suite of powerful online tools, via the Radiomonitor App, by emailed reports or through a custom data feed."
I noticed that airplay charts already used by Wikipedia, for example Czech Republic, do not match with airplay chart posted on this site. Other examples: Russia ( Radiomonitor vs TopHit), Slovenia ( Radiomonitor vs SloTop50), Bulgaria ( Radiomonitor vs PROPHON) .
Does anyone know if these charts are reliable and notable to include on Wiki? Cool Marc ✉ 16:22, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Radiomonitor is a British music company worldwide airplay of songs, with the information given to record labels and radio stations. They have established partnerships with several international companies located in Ireland, Australia and South Africa, and compiled several airplay OFFICIAL charts in the United Kingdom, Italy, South Africa, Nigeria and more. Also, the company work in some small countries as base of the most consumed songs in these countries provided by official music company of the country. Radiomonitor can be an official charts in small countries that don’t have a company to accurate these informations about songs and not countries where already has an official company. The page here on Wikipedia has all reference and operation. Accept radiomonitor as official chart of small countries https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiomonitor Biduxm ( talk) 20:16, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
Muhandes Richard3120 Walter Görlitz, Biduxm, The South African chart is run by a separate Radiomonitor South Africa company that's based in Cape Town, South Africa. They have been posting a Weekly Top 20 chart on social media for a few years now, with more charts dating back on their Facebook page. A number of South African publications and websites appear to recognize this as the country's airplay chart as well 1 2 3 4. Chart methodology is based on audience impressions from 170 radio and 24 TV stations in the country per provided sources. Being South African myself, it does look like a true reflection of popularity here similar to the Entertainment Monitoring Africa chart from several years ago.
Outside of South Africa, Australia and the UK, I'm not sure that the other countries have separate Radiomonitor companies physically running these Airplay charts. The ones like Serbia, Macedonia etc all seem to only feature international artists and don't have a clear methodology or secondary sources written about them. Might be best to assess each on a case-by-case basis? Cool Marc ✉ 23:41, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
The UNIMPRO has started publishing streaming-based weekly charts on their website. Although the first published chart is from two weeks ago, they have been compiling the charts for 38 weeks, so there are several peaks to be added! And maybe we can get rid of those poorly representative Monitor Latino charts for yet another Latin American country. ×°˜`°× ηαη¢у×°˜`°× 21:34, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi, last week RiSA finally launched an official charts system for the country: via the portal TOSAC the IFPI affiliate publish two weekly top 100 of the most streamed songs on the most important platforms in South Africa: Spotify, Deezer and Apple Music. While one is only for domestic repertoire, the other including international tracks. -- Lrt000 ( talk) 21:26, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Since 2020, I found this blog ( http://top100chile.blogspot.com/?m=1) and after some search I discovered this blog was an official site before but down after. Currently the unique official charts for Chile on Wikipedia is Monitorlatino but the report of this blog is accurate by stream/copies. How blogs aren’t a REF, can it have a change to be a possible source of Chile’s chart? Biduxm ( talk) 20:27, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
Until 1958, Billboard published separate sales/airplay/jukebox charts for the country and R&B genres, before merging them into what would now be called multi-metric charts in the autumn of that year. Should any records/statistics relating to those earlier charts be included in our articles on the multi-metric charts? I ask because the article on Hot Country Songs has a list of the longest-running number ones, and some of them are pre-1958 and therefore didn't appear on the "Hot" chart at all...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 09:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
These should either be removed or it made clear they are not the main official chart. Coachtripfan ( talk) 10:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I think the Year-End Top 3000 charts are WP:TOOMUCH. For example, A 2016 single which charted #1513 in 2019, seems a little silly to me. I don't think the entire chart should be labeled "bad", but we should limit ourselves to meaningful information, say, top 100 or top 200 at most. ( list of usages)
Note: I previously initiated a similar discussion about all-time charts, and there was agreement that they are WP:TOOMUCH, but a more important reason (not being static) was used for deprecating them. I am initiating this discussion to consider charts which are static, but seem excessive. Pinging past participants JohnFromPinckney, ResolutionsPerMinute, RingoSmitz, Richard3120, Magiciandude, Apoxyomenus, Ss112 and courtesy pinging Eurohunter who added the charts. -- Muhandes ( talk) 10:29, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
It is proposed to limit chart tables to position 200 for every chart, be it single or album, weekly, yearly, decade or all-time. -- Muhandes ( talk) 12:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
I don't see many uses of the Belarus chart Unistar Radio Top 20. I can't find any information about the methodology, it might be single vendor or it might even be Vadim Savin's personal preference. Any opinions? Should it be added to WP:BADCHARTS? -- Muhandes ( talk) 10:22, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
Right now, all of charts besides the Hot 100 aren't working and, I really hope I'm wrong here, but it looks Billboard removed the artists chart history pages. Not to sound conspiratorial because I know it's not true, but it's almost like they're doing this just to spite us. EDIT: Never mind, the artists page is still up, but the links to other charts still don't work. EDIT 2: The links to other charts work now. Erick ( talk) 00:23, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Should records pertaining to Rolling Stone charts, more specifically the Top 100, be kept in articles? Or should they be removed because the chart is now defunct? An editor recently removed a record citing that as a justification, so I wanted to hear different opinions about it, to know if that's a valid reason or not. - Ïvana ( talk) 19:36, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Yesterday Billboard Việt Nam launched the Vietnam Hot 100, the first official chart for the country based on streaming data from MRC which includes Vietnamese and foreign launguage songs. -- Lrt000 ( talk) 11:11, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello Wiki world! I'm really confused on why Billboards LyricFind Charts are not a notable chart? I mean artist are making tons of money from these Lyric searches and it's like they are selling the music. Only difference is they make the money through LyricFind who collects the royalties for these searches. So there is a reason Billboard created a chart for this, so why is Wikipedia shying away from these charts. If so many people are searching for your lyrics to your song that you hit the charts then you should be notable. Someone needs to look into this asap as these charts on Billboard exist for a reason and also produce revenue so if millions are searching for your lyrics that turns into a check. You are not only high on the charts but you are getting paid as well. So it might not be record sales but searches equate to revenue 1000 percent. Maybe the wiki gods could factor this into the notability chart system at some point moving forward. Here is the current link to the charts here https://www.billboard.com/charts/lyricfind-global/ I read here /info/en/?search=Wikipedia_talk:Record_charts/Archive_17#Notability_for_LyricFind_Global that its not notable because it has nothing to do with sales or listening to the song or watching a video, but what it did not say is money is 1000 percent being earned for these lyrical searches and this is why I believe Wikipedia should factor these charts into the system. If you are popular on these charts that means you are a highly search individual. Godsentme1 ( talk) 04:07, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
QuintusPetillius Yes thanks for agreeing. It is 2021 when someone is searching for your music so much that it appears on the charts then there should be some form of notability from that alone. I heard Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars and Richard3120 say something about It being trivia and some significance needs to be attached along with reliable sources or we don't know how many people search the lyrics, well the fact that it charts on Billboard is very significant Billboard is the biggest chart in the music industry so I see this as being a reliable source just on its own. That's like buying a Honda Accord and Then Buying a Honda civic then someone comes and says your Honda can't make it to the supermarket. That would be a lie because just cause the Hondas are different they both do what they are intended to do and that's drive down the street. Billboard is intended to pull "Popular" chart data and compile it to the most popular data by numbers. So If a song is appearing on the LyricFind Billboard charts it is deemed popular we don't need to know how many people searched the song, that's what we have Billboard for they are the ones who gather the data and decide what songs were searched the most and then place on the charts by numbers. So if Wikipedia trusts Billboard as a source then again I do not see why LyricFind Billboard charts are not counted for notability. Again this needs to be looked at by someone of authority. If you are charting on these charts it equates to you being highly searched, which holds as notability In my eyes. If you have again millions searching you up on the internet then how are you not notable? To me it does not make any sense at all. Hopefully someone authoritative can check this out. Good day to everyone who has responded as well and cheers :) Godsentme1 ( talk) 23:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)