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This user page shows up with a curation bar on it, User:Arun sharma 101 much like the screen shot I posted above.
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Another user rated Arun sharma's userpage and he got the following feedback regarding his user page from User:RexRowan who did not actually edit his talk page but this note showed up as if he did:
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-- A page you started has been reviewed! --
Thanks for creating User:User:Arun sharma 101, Arun sharma 101!
Wikipedia editor RexRowan just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:
User page creation, ok.
To reply, leave a comment on RexRowan's talk page.
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MathewTownsend ( talk) 22:29, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that the so-called back of the unpatrolled log goes back approximately 30 days, while the Page Curation new pages feed goes back longer than that, even though it does not allow us to mark an entry patrolled (i.e., even if I mark it reviewed, it does not show up in the patrol log, nor on the page's patrol log).
Can anyone explain to me why this is happening? -- Eastlaw talk ⁄ contribs 07:32, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
Is there any chance of keyboard shortcuts for the Page Curation toolbar? It's lovely to use but as a long-suffering mouse-hater, it'd be nice to page curate from the keyboard. — Tom Morris ( talk) 19:34, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to add a sorting option to the feed to allow sorting reviewed pages by reviewing editor. Perhaps just filtering it so you only see the reviews of a specified editor would be enough (I mostly want to be able to see a list of articles I've marked as reviewed), but anything more would be cool. - Jorgath ( talk) ( contribs) 17:57, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
I came across page curation, marking H2Overdrive as patrolled, and then took a look at the page curation tool. I think it's very good work from the WMF. I spotted quite a few articles by users that had thousands of edits, such as Sendai River by User:Prburley. His work really does not need to be in the queue, he should just be autopatrolled. I should really be autopatrolled, although I've never bothered asking for permission. I've never bothered asking, because I would never see any benefit from it myself - it saves NPP guys' time, but not the user.
If the next iteration of the tool were to include a "Request author autopatrolled" button, it could make much better use of the autopatrolled user right and make NPP even easier. The tool already shows author metadata, it could just add it to Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Autopatrolled along with the requester details. - hahnch e n 19:35, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Two questions, and I apologize if they have already been answered:
Another question: I patrolled several articles last night using the curation template, but the record of the patrols is uneven. The articles do show as patrolled if you click on the template, but they do not show up in the patrol log at the article's history page, and they do not show up in the log of patrols made by me. Is this a glitch, or is it because the system is still in transition? I don't remember all of the articles, but they included Hanakapiai Falls and Lowry Bombing and Gunnery Range. -- MelanieN ( talk) 17:47, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Informing new creators of article guidelines (For information only - debate for this pre-proposal is now closed and consensus assesed). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 05:36, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi there, I have found a bug that inserts a space before the sig when using the "Wikilove" button, leaving
Mdann52 ( talk) 18:08, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Hope this can be fixed, Mdann52 ( talk) 18:08, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
I thought that once the article has been reviewed, then it is checked as patrolled. But now I see that it's only checked as reviewed if it "passes". So articles that have been checked and tagged remain "red". Maybe there should be a "yellow" for "checked but not passed". That way it would prevent "red" articles from being repeatedly checked. Am I making sense? MathewTownsend ( talk) 19:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
A suggestion: if an article already has a subject-specific stub tag like {{ Iran-footy-bio-stub}}, then the Curation Bar should grey out the option of adding {{ stub}}. Even experienced editors have occasional lapses on this, and new editors do it regularly, and it wastes the time of stub-sorters. Pam D 09:49, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
This time it's in nominating for AfD: I nominated Zach Booher for deletion, and while the AfD page is named normally, the link back to Zach Booher is actually to Zach_Booher. - Jorgath ( talk) ( contribs) 20:57, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
It it is not immediately obvious what the green check mark and the trashcan ikon mean on the left side of the page. What DO they mean? Yours, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 22:48, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Well, then, I suggest adding the word "Patrolled" to the checkmark — or at least a "P". GeorgeLouis ( talk) 01:17, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
I think it's a key question: "What do we mean by patrolled/reviewed?" There needs to be a description or checklist somewhere, and linked from that tick, to indicate just what standard we are aiming at. I find "un-patrolled" articles which two other editors have looked at and tagged using page triage but not marked as good to go. If we hope to expand the number of editors joining in the page triage project, there needs to be a clearer description, somewhere, of what makes an article acceptable to "mark as reviewed". If there's such a list at present, it's not easy to find. Pam D 06:55, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
The bottom of the "Add Tags" window does not show on my screen. I have to drag the whole window up with my mouse in order to see it. Yours, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 23:04, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Sometimes, when I revisit a page that I've previously reviewed, the "Curation Toolbar" link in the toolbox on the left doesn't appear. I don't know if it should according to the programming, but I'd like it to. - Jorgath ( talk) ( contribs) 15:13, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Notifying the author from the toolbar does not seem to include my signature in my comment. Thanks, Cyan Gardevoir (used EDIT!) 10:26, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Hey all! If you add the following code to your javascript file, it will place a link to the new pages feed in your toolbox. (It was created by Gadget850) Ryan Vesey 16:50, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
importScript('User:Ryan Vesey/sidebar.js');
This is a good tool, in fact I am patrolling like crazy these past few days. My two cents: 1) I would by default list unpatrolled pages from oldest to newest; 2) I would by default hide pages marked as reviewed
Also I noticed that when I use the tool and mark the page as reviewed, when I then check the page's log, the page still appears as unreviewed and unpatrolled. Is it just me or is it a known bug? -- Itemirus Message me! 08:56, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
P.S. I also noticed that when I open pages marked as unreviewed, a tag has been previously placed on the article, meaning that someone else has reviewed it before. So why does it still show in the page curator list? This is a major hindrance and slows the work of the patrollers. -- Itemirus Message me! 09:03, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
{{ Wikify}} has been deprecated due to misuse and ambiguity. Can we create a new section within the curation toolbar called Wikify and have {{ Dead end}} {{ Infobox requested}} {{ Cleanup-HTML}} {{ Lead missing}} {{ Lead rewrite}} {{ Lead too short}} {{ Inadequate lead}} {{ Sections}} {{ Cleanup-link rot}} {{ Citation style}}and {{ Lead too long}} in that section? Ryan Vesey 12:54, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
If a notice from the Page Curation system is placed on a new talk page it is very desirable, I would say essential, to precede it with a welcome message such as {{ welcome}} or {{ firstarticle}}. That makes the notice less BITEy, and also gives the newbie contributor useful links which should help them do better next time. It seems that this is left to the tagger - see this conversation - but it should be possible to do it automatically: the author notice generated by the PROD template adds "firstarticle" if placed on a new talk page, and the Articles for Creation system is going to do the same - see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation#Welcome message for newbies. Regards, JohnCD ( talk) 14:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
So, we've got a couple of issues that I think we can lock together and resolve :). The first is NOINDEXing. A while back, before we deployed the first prototype version, we had an RfC on making it so that unreviewed new articles would be NOINDEXed. The idea was that this would remove a pretty big psychological issue with page curation, that being the "siege mentality" that we have to keep patrolling because there are attack pages and copyvios that will slip through if we don't. Unfortunately there were some bugs that Ryan identified (thanks Ryan!) and we had to turn it off. We can now re-enable it, although there is one remaining issue that a really old article will occasionally be moved to the back of the queue and thus NOINDEXed.
That brings me on to the feed's default ordering - oldest to newest, or newest to oldest? At the moment, it's newest to oldest, because we don't want attack pages and copyvios to slip through - but there's an argument to be made that people should focus on the back of the queue if they're new to NPP, where there are fewer problems and the consequences of getting something wrong are lesser. My suggestion is that we re-enable NOINDEXing, and then reverse the default ordering so that oldest pages are shown first. Users can still patrol from the front, but if they choose not to the really problematic articles are at least partly neutralised until people get to them. Thoughts? Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 06:24, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Could someone please provide a link to where the tutorial is being developed. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 01:32, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
The "orphaned" tag should be added to "the most common" tags shown when using the tool. It is a very common tag to place on newly created articles. There is an option to filter for orphaned articles when checking the new pages feed, so it is advisable to make it readily available. This would help save a few seconds (no need to click on metadata), but in the long run can help speed up the process.-- Itemirus (talk) 05:44, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
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Could an admin please move Wikipedia talk:Page Curation/Archive 2 to Wikipedia talk:Page Curation/Archive 1, then move Wikipedia talk:Page Curation/Archive 3 to ...Archive 2, then decrease the page counter in this page's Miszabot header by one? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:55, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 11:40, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I've got 2 comments. Setting the page to auto reviewed when an editor tagged an article for deletion. As for Redirect, it should be selected by default as I noticed the oldest backlogs were actually the redirect pages. ♠♠ BanëJ ♠♠ ( Talk) 13:49, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Not sure if this is the right place for this, but has the possibility of displaying any assigned categories been examined. Even better would be the additional possibility of selecting by category (including sub-categories). There is a gadget that does something similar with NPP. Perhaps that tool's functionality could be integrated with this tool. I find I am much happier and more productive when patrolling articles on familiar topics. Since I am not conversant with notability requirements for sportspeople, musicians, etc. when I click on a biography and find it is, say, a tennis player or a musician in a boy band, I just go to the next article (unless I notice serious problems). This also means I can often do more than just tag articles, since I am better able to assess and add reliable sources etc. I wonder if other people would also sometimes be happier just assigning high-level categories (possibly selecting from a list) as a way of flagging articles for other patrollers' attention. -- Boson ( talk) 20:17, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
Can we change the talk page messages left by this template to be in the first person, like other automated messages? It'd be far more friendly. For example, I'd like to change:
Thanks for creating Example, ExampleUser!
Wikipedia editor Pigsonthewing just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:
Please note how I've added categories, and do the same in your other articles, if you can. Keep up the good work!
To reply, leave a comment on Pigsonthewing's talk page.
Learn more about page curation.
to:
Hi ExampleUser!
Thanks for creating Example, I've just reviewed it, as part of our page curation process.
Please note how I've added categories, and do the same in your other articles, if you can. Keep up the good work!
To reply, leave a comment on my talk page.
[my usual signature]
if that's OK with everyone. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:51, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
I have not a clue what happened, but when I nominated Atlantic Building, my motivation disappeared. Did I do something wrong, or went PC wrong? The Banner talk 21:17, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps this will shed some light. When PRODing with the Curation tool, it just puts a blank template link on the page and nothing else while Twinkle does the whole job. See the screenshots with both methods and their edit summaries. BTW, IMO, there can be no final release until the edit summaries are correctly detailed. BTW, the 'Curate this page' link in the Sidebar does not always show. And what's happened to the box in the flyout for sending a friendly message to the creator? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 09:38, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
Is anyone else seeing <pagetriage-welcome> instead of the usual header at the top of the page when using the NewPagesFeed? -- Cheers, Riley Huntley talk 03:47, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
I just used for the first time the "add a message for the creator" feature when applying tags. The formatting came out a bit oddly ( diff); no space left between the previous section, and the signature added four lines down within nowiki tags. France3470 (talk) 18:03, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
If I use "Sections", no date is added.-- Müdigkeit ( talk) 15:19, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
This has probably been mentioned before, but the curation toolbar does not add CSD, PROD, and BLPPRODs to the personal CSD and PROD logs that are usually configured through, and populated by Twinkle. I'm not sure how many people are aware of such logs and use them, but I find them immensely useful for following up on pages I have tagged for deletion. PRODs especially need to be revisited to see if they were simply declined by the addition of spurious sources, while CSD templates are often simply removed and not always caught. 03:07, 17 September 2012 (UTC) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk)
I notice all the page curation log entries for a watched page remain after the page has other edits, which also means several page curation actions in short succession on the one article are all listed. In addition, it means that when the page curation action is the most recent edit, the same edit appears twice on watchlist. This is annoying, since none of the filter options work (like say Hide bots, or namespace articles). Is this intended behaviour? If so why, and is there a way to individually change/disable it? (I also don't like the fact that it reverses the username/pagename order, or lacks the diff/hist links, but those are not as important) -- Qetuth ( talk) 14:20, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
The Tag "Ophan" might not be up to date, you should check it manually. There might be a link to the side just created some hours ago.-- Müdigkeit ( talk) 10:43, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
I confess to being a dinosaur (started using computers in the days of punch cards) so I may be missing an option evident to persons more accustomed to modern menu displays; but, working from Firefox, I was unable to complete an action initiated by selecting an unreferenced tag and typing a message to the page creator. What action actually applies the tag and sends the message? Is there a help function somewhere to cover this sort of thing? Thewellman ( talk) 17:35, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Hey, guys, I have two requests. First, as I mention on Okeyes's talk page, support for the sub-categories of A7, G3, etc. (like Template:db-hoax, Template:db-web, Template:db-bio, etc.) would be nice. Second, in the page stats, could we get something indicating how old a page is (preferably to the minute)? One can calculate it from the page history at the bottom already, but I wasn't really cut out for mental math, and dealing with GMT becomes annoying... Writ Keeper ⚇ ♔ 17:58, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
OK Anyone want to build an equivalent of this for images?
Twinkle/Furme can only do so much :) Sfan00 IMG ( talk) 19:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Any idea why this appeared on my watchlist today?
Hoekstra]
marked Chris Hall (Australian footballer) as reviewed
contribs) marked Nick Bruton as reviewed
Should reviewed articles be hidden by default? The-Pope ( talk) 00:21, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I've been using the new feature and the side bar that is supposed to show up when I click on an article sometimes doesn't come up. Any one know why this is and is there a solution?-- Dom497 ( talk) 00:33, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Oh, and the feed isn't loading... :/ -- Dom497 ( talk) 00:54, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
When I click on "new pages" on the "recent changes" page, I go to the new article curation page. That displays a grand total of 10 new pages on my screen, as opposed to 40+ on the old page (I see that I still can get there by removing the "Feed" from the URL. Sorry to be negative, but I don't like this new page. Not only does the old page display many more articles (so that I can rapidly scan a large number of articles to see which ones I am interested in), but the yellow highlighting makes it very easy to see which ones have already been patrolled. In addition, when hovering my cursor over an article name, I get (using popups) a preview of that page (without needing to actually open it), which doesn't work on the new one. At the moment, when I click "review", I actually do not see any way to mark a page as reviewed. Neither does the review toolbar appear (I use Firefox on Windows7). When I looked at this toolbar earlier, it didn't seem to do anything other than what Twinkle already does. In short, I find that the old Special:NewPages in combination with Twinkle lets me patrol new pages much more efficiently than the new page. I hope that Special:NewPages will not be abandoned completely... -- Guillaume2303 ( talk) 13:45, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 21:01, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
In the setup I'm using, the floating table header and table footer takes up about as much space as one entry, which means that I can only view four entries at the same time on my 15" widescreen display using a slightly-larger-than-default font size. Removing the floating properties may sound like a micro improvement, but in my case it means that I can view 25% more entries at the same time. I can only imagine what it looks like on a small 9" netbook display. Suggestion: Move the content from the footer ("868 pages reviewed this week" and the refresh-button) to the header and freeze it. jonkerz ♠talk 03:57, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Does the Navigation popups work on the New pages feed? I use firefox. Harsh (talk) 14:24, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
I tried New pages feed, first of all thanks, it is of great use when doing NPP, there is one issue though I faced. Whenever I am tagging a page for CSD and meanwhile some other person already tagged it for CSD, then my tagging process continues and places a tag on the same page. This results in duplication of tags on the same page. In twinkle if I am tagging the page and meanwhile some other person tagged it then I get a notice that a tag has already been placed for the article. So if we get same kind of system maybe duplication can be avoided. Thanks. -- Rangilo Gujarati ( talk) 16:01, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
I don't have a browser-specific bug. I don't have a complaint. I don't have new requirements. I LOVE this. I'm ordinarily hard to convince, but this works, it's intuitive, it was needed, and whoever designed this did a splendid job. I really appreciate this. Thank you. -- Lockley ( talk) 03:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
When I marked a page as unreviewed which was marked earlier as reviewed and then give an optional reason, it sends the message to the creator that an editor reviewed your page. It should rather be an editor marked your page as unreviewed. Harsh (talk) 10:45, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
A user whose article I tagged because it was a stub and needed more cites took it personally (see my talk page). I understand she felt patronised because she was still editing that page when I put the stub and cite tag on the article, which placed the automatic message in her talk page. The message needs to state more emphatically that the purpose of tagging is that other editors can search for articles that require attention rather than a critique of their work, acknowledge that the user may still be editing the page (and that person using the tool has no way of knowing that), and that stub, cite, mos and other such tags are very common on new articles and the user should not infer negatively on that.
We can't afford to lose contributors over something like this. Alanl ( talk) 13:58, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
I too would like to add my praise to this project. It's fantastic to see the WMF plan and deploy, in close consultation with the relevant community, tools that help the existing community do their self-assigned tasks better. Better curation tools = happier existing editors = higher likelyhood of new editors being helped/welcomed.
One question though - when I first tried out the toolbar, I clicked on the little "x" (dismiss/close) button and it disappeared. But the only way of getting it back was to go back to the new pages feed (which I could only find by tiny link from the Recent changes page) and then clicking to review a new article. Now today, when I try that again, I can't get the toolbar to appear at all. Is there a way to make the toolbar appear without going through that process? I'm using Firefox 16. Witty lama 03:27, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Page Curation tool excellent overall. Better than just pages patrol. New training guide is very useful with the tabbed layout. Possibly branching the stubs message with 15 common stubs would target the stubs as these short articles are so common. Kieranian2001 ( talk) 11:55, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
What about new pages in the non-user, non-article namespaces? Are they no longer to be patrolled? -- Cgtdk ( talk) 11:07, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
When reaching one of ones own pages while browsing through the unpatrolled new pages with the toolbar, the toolbar disappears. It would be nice to be able to click the next button instead of being forced to go back to the new pages feed. -- Cgtdk ( talk) 21:26, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Today the big 'I' button doesn't work. This leads to confusion and double patrolling. Note also at this example the inconsistency of the types of messages that are produced. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 10:23, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Messages placed through the curation toolbar are not being signed, dated, and time stamped. See this example. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 10:57, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
On looking at a to-be-reviewed page, the toolbar did appear. I closed it. On the next page it did not appear, so I researched it and found out about the control in the 'Toolbox' section of the left sidebar. So I used that, and got the toolbar to appear. On following pages accessed from the feed page however, the toolbar did not appear and the Toolbox control also did not appear, so there seems to be no way to restore the toolbar. Using Chrome on Vista. -- R. S. Shaw ( talk) 02:00, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
I confirm again that tbis is not working. Unless I have missed something, which is possible, I can't find any options anywhere to turn it on or off.
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (
talk)
05:13, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Please set the default "sort by" to "oldest". We're trying to get people to review the back of the log, and if you make following that direction the path of least resistance, then more people will do so. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 15:57, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for creating this - I've always wanted to have an easy method to add hatnotes/tags and this is it! I think I might be doing more new page patrolling from now on.
However, I've got a couple of problems:
I'm finding quite a lot of cases where editors have added {{ stub}} to an article which already has a specific stub template. The curation toolbar just says "This page is very short" beside the "Stub" tickbox. Could it be expanded to "This page is very short (and doesn't already have a stub tag)"? (Until we get any progress on the requested enhancement of getting this option suppressed in articles which already contain "-stub}}"). Pam D 23:17, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
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This user page shows up with a curation bar on it, User:Arun sharma 101 much like the screen shot I posted above.
See
Another user rated Arun sharma's userpage and he got the following feedback regarding his user page from User:RexRowan who did not actually edit his talk page but this note showed up as if he did:
Begin post: [1]
-- A page you started has been reviewed! --
Thanks for creating User:User:Arun sharma 101, Arun sharma 101!
Wikipedia editor RexRowan just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:
User page creation, ok.
To reply, leave a comment on RexRowan's talk page.
Learn more about
page curation.
End post
MathewTownsend ( talk) 22:29, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that the so-called back of the unpatrolled log goes back approximately 30 days, while the Page Curation new pages feed goes back longer than that, even though it does not allow us to mark an entry patrolled (i.e., even if I mark it reviewed, it does not show up in the patrol log, nor on the page's patrol log).
Can anyone explain to me why this is happening? -- Eastlaw talk ⁄ contribs 07:32, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
Is there any chance of keyboard shortcuts for the Page Curation toolbar? It's lovely to use but as a long-suffering mouse-hater, it'd be nice to page curate from the keyboard. — Tom Morris ( talk) 19:34, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to add a sorting option to the feed to allow sorting reviewed pages by reviewing editor. Perhaps just filtering it so you only see the reviews of a specified editor would be enough (I mostly want to be able to see a list of articles I've marked as reviewed), but anything more would be cool. - Jorgath ( talk) ( contribs) 17:57, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
I came across page curation, marking H2Overdrive as patrolled, and then took a look at the page curation tool. I think it's very good work from the WMF. I spotted quite a few articles by users that had thousands of edits, such as Sendai River by User:Prburley. His work really does not need to be in the queue, he should just be autopatrolled. I should really be autopatrolled, although I've never bothered asking for permission. I've never bothered asking, because I would never see any benefit from it myself - it saves NPP guys' time, but not the user.
If the next iteration of the tool were to include a "Request author autopatrolled" button, it could make much better use of the autopatrolled user right and make NPP even easier. The tool already shows author metadata, it could just add it to Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Autopatrolled along with the requester details. - hahnch e n 19:35, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Two questions, and I apologize if they have already been answered:
Another question: I patrolled several articles last night using the curation template, but the record of the patrols is uneven. The articles do show as patrolled if you click on the template, but they do not show up in the patrol log at the article's history page, and they do not show up in the log of patrols made by me. Is this a glitch, or is it because the system is still in transition? I don't remember all of the articles, but they included Hanakapiai Falls and Lowry Bombing and Gunnery Range. -- MelanieN ( talk) 17:47, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Informing new creators of article guidelines (For information only - debate for this pre-proposal is now closed and consensus assesed). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 05:36, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi there, I have found a bug that inserts a space before the sig when using the "Wikilove" button, leaving
Mdann52 ( talk) 18:08, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Hope this can be fixed, Mdann52 ( talk) 18:08, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
I thought that once the article has been reviewed, then it is checked as patrolled. But now I see that it's only checked as reviewed if it "passes". So articles that have been checked and tagged remain "red". Maybe there should be a "yellow" for "checked but not passed". That way it would prevent "red" articles from being repeatedly checked. Am I making sense? MathewTownsend ( talk) 19:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
A suggestion: if an article already has a subject-specific stub tag like {{ Iran-footy-bio-stub}}, then the Curation Bar should grey out the option of adding {{ stub}}. Even experienced editors have occasional lapses on this, and new editors do it regularly, and it wastes the time of stub-sorters. Pam D 09:49, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
This time it's in nominating for AfD: I nominated Zach Booher for deletion, and while the AfD page is named normally, the link back to Zach Booher is actually to Zach_Booher. - Jorgath ( talk) ( contribs) 20:57, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
It it is not immediately obvious what the green check mark and the trashcan ikon mean on the left side of the page. What DO they mean? Yours, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 22:48, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Well, then, I suggest adding the word "Patrolled" to the checkmark — or at least a "P". GeorgeLouis ( talk) 01:17, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
I think it's a key question: "What do we mean by patrolled/reviewed?" There needs to be a description or checklist somewhere, and linked from that tick, to indicate just what standard we are aiming at. I find "un-patrolled" articles which two other editors have looked at and tagged using page triage but not marked as good to go. If we hope to expand the number of editors joining in the page triage project, there needs to be a clearer description, somewhere, of what makes an article acceptable to "mark as reviewed". If there's such a list at present, it's not easy to find. Pam D 06:55, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
The bottom of the "Add Tags" window does not show on my screen. I have to drag the whole window up with my mouse in order to see it. Yours, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 23:04, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Sometimes, when I revisit a page that I've previously reviewed, the "Curation Toolbar" link in the toolbox on the left doesn't appear. I don't know if it should according to the programming, but I'd like it to. - Jorgath ( talk) ( contribs) 15:13, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Notifying the author from the toolbar does not seem to include my signature in my comment. Thanks, Cyan Gardevoir (used EDIT!) 10:26, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Hey all! If you add the following code to your javascript file, it will place a link to the new pages feed in your toolbox. (It was created by Gadget850) Ryan Vesey 16:50, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
importScript('User:Ryan Vesey/sidebar.js');
This is a good tool, in fact I am patrolling like crazy these past few days. My two cents: 1) I would by default list unpatrolled pages from oldest to newest; 2) I would by default hide pages marked as reviewed
Also I noticed that when I use the tool and mark the page as reviewed, when I then check the page's log, the page still appears as unreviewed and unpatrolled. Is it just me or is it a known bug? -- Itemirus Message me! 08:56, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
P.S. I also noticed that when I open pages marked as unreviewed, a tag has been previously placed on the article, meaning that someone else has reviewed it before. So why does it still show in the page curator list? This is a major hindrance and slows the work of the patrollers. -- Itemirus Message me! 09:03, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
{{ Wikify}} has been deprecated due to misuse and ambiguity. Can we create a new section within the curation toolbar called Wikify and have {{ Dead end}} {{ Infobox requested}} {{ Cleanup-HTML}} {{ Lead missing}} {{ Lead rewrite}} {{ Lead too short}} {{ Inadequate lead}} {{ Sections}} {{ Cleanup-link rot}} {{ Citation style}}and {{ Lead too long}} in that section? Ryan Vesey 12:54, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
If a notice from the Page Curation system is placed on a new talk page it is very desirable, I would say essential, to precede it with a welcome message such as {{ welcome}} or {{ firstarticle}}. That makes the notice less BITEy, and also gives the newbie contributor useful links which should help them do better next time. It seems that this is left to the tagger - see this conversation - but it should be possible to do it automatically: the author notice generated by the PROD template adds "firstarticle" if placed on a new talk page, and the Articles for Creation system is going to do the same - see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation#Welcome message for newbies. Regards, JohnCD ( talk) 14:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
So, we've got a couple of issues that I think we can lock together and resolve :). The first is NOINDEXing. A while back, before we deployed the first prototype version, we had an RfC on making it so that unreviewed new articles would be NOINDEXed. The idea was that this would remove a pretty big psychological issue with page curation, that being the "siege mentality" that we have to keep patrolling because there are attack pages and copyvios that will slip through if we don't. Unfortunately there were some bugs that Ryan identified (thanks Ryan!) and we had to turn it off. We can now re-enable it, although there is one remaining issue that a really old article will occasionally be moved to the back of the queue and thus NOINDEXed.
That brings me on to the feed's default ordering - oldest to newest, or newest to oldest? At the moment, it's newest to oldest, because we don't want attack pages and copyvios to slip through - but there's an argument to be made that people should focus on the back of the queue if they're new to NPP, where there are fewer problems and the consequences of getting something wrong are lesser. My suggestion is that we re-enable NOINDEXing, and then reverse the default ordering so that oldest pages are shown first. Users can still patrol from the front, but if they choose not to the really problematic articles are at least partly neutralised until people get to them. Thoughts? Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 06:24, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Could someone please provide a link to where the tutorial is being developed. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 01:32, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
The "orphaned" tag should be added to "the most common" tags shown when using the tool. It is a very common tag to place on newly created articles. There is an option to filter for orphaned articles when checking the new pages feed, so it is advisable to make it readily available. This would help save a few seconds (no need to click on metadata), but in the long run can help speed up the process.-- Itemirus (talk) 05:44, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
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Could an admin please move Wikipedia talk:Page Curation/Archive 2 to Wikipedia talk:Page Curation/Archive 1, then move Wikipedia talk:Page Curation/Archive 3 to ...Archive 2, then decrease the page counter in this page's Miszabot header by one? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:55, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 11:40, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I've got 2 comments. Setting the page to auto reviewed when an editor tagged an article for deletion. As for Redirect, it should be selected by default as I noticed the oldest backlogs were actually the redirect pages. ♠♠ BanëJ ♠♠ ( Talk) 13:49, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Not sure if this is the right place for this, but has the possibility of displaying any assigned categories been examined. Even better would be the additional possibility of selecting by category (including sub-categories). There is a gadget that does something similar with NPP. Perhaps that tool's functionality could be integrated with this tool. I find I am much happier and more productive when patrolling articles on familiar topics. Since I am not conversant with notability requirements for sportspeople, musicians, etc. when I click on a biography and find it is, say, a tennis player or a musician in a boy band, I just go to the next article (unless I notice serious problems). This also means I can often do more than just tag articles, since I am better able to assess and add reliable sources etc. I wonder if other people would also sometimes be happier just assigning high-level categories (possibly selecting from a list) as a way of flagging articles for other patrollers' attention. -- Boson ( talk) 20:17, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
Can we change the talk page messages left by this template to be in the first person, like other automated messages? It'd be far more friendly. For example, I'd like to change:
Thanks for creating Example, ExampleUser!
Wikipedia editor Pigsonthewing just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:
Please note how I've added categories, and do the same in your other articles, if you can. Keep up the good work!
To reply, leave a comment on Pigsonthewing's talk page.
Learn more about page curation.
to:
Hi ExampleUser!
Thanks for creating Example, I've just reviewed it, as part of our page curation process.
Please note how I've added categories, and do the same in your other articles, if you can. Keep up the good work!
To reply, leave a comment on my talk page.
[my usual signature]
if that's OK with everyone. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:51, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
I have not a clue what happened, but when I nominated Atlantic Building, my motivation disappeared. Did I do something wrong, or went PC wrong? The Banner talk 21:17, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps this will shed some light. When PRODing with the Curation tool, it just puts a blank template link on the page and nothing else while Twinkle does the whole job. See the screenshots with both methods and their edit summaries. BTW, IMO, there can be no final release until the edit summaries are correctly detailed. BTW, the 'Curate this page' link in the Sidebar does not always show. And what's happened to the box in the flyout for sending a friendly message to the creator? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 09:38, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
Is anyone else seeing <pagetriage-welcome> instead of the usual header at the top of the page when using the NewPagesFeed? -- Cheers, Riley Huntley talk 03:47, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
I just used for the first time the "add a message for the creator" feature when applying tags. The formatting came out a bit oddly ( diff); no space left between the previous section, and the signature added four lines down within nowiki tags. France3470 (talk) 18:03, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
If I use "Sections", no date is added.-- Müdigkeit ( talk) 15:19, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
This has probably been mentioned before, but the curation toolbar does not add CSD, PROD, and BLPPRODs to the personal CSD and PROD logs that are usually configured through, and populated by Twinkle. I'm not sure how many people are aware of such logs and use them, but I find them immensely useful for following up on pages I have tagged for deletion. PRODs especially need to be revisited to see if they were simply declined by the addition of spurious sources, while CSD templates are often simply removed and not always caught. 03:07, 17 September 2012 (UTC) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk)
I notice all the page curation log entries for a watched page remain after the page has other edits, which also means several page curation actions in short succession on the one article are all listed. In addition, it means that when the page curation action is the most recent edit, the same edit appears twice on watchlist. This is annoying, since none of the filter options work (like say Hide bots, or namespace articles). Is this intended behaviour? If so why, and is there a way to individually change/disable it? (I also don't like the fact that it reverses the username/pagename order, or lacks the diff/hist links, but those are not as important) -- Qetuth ( talk) 14:20, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
The Tag "Ophan" might not be up to date, you should check it manually. There might be a link to the side just created some hours ago.-- Müdigkeit ( talk) 10:43, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
I confess to being a dinosaur (started using computers in the days of punch cards) so I may be missing an option evident to persons more accustomed to modern menu displays; but, working from Firefox, I was unable to complete an action initiated by selecting an unreferenced tag and typing a message to the page creator. What action actually applies the tag and sends the message? Is there a help function somewhere to cover this sort of thing? Thewellman ( talk) 17:35, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Hey, guys, I have two requests. First, as I mention on Okeyes's talk page, support for the sub-categories of A7, G3, etc. (like Template:db-hoax, Template:db-web, Template:db-bio, etc.) would be nice. Second, in the page stats, could we get something indicating how old a page is (preferably to the minute)? One can calculate it from the page history at the bottom already, but I wasn't really cut out for mental math, and dealing with GMT becomes annoying... Writ Keeper ⚇ ♔ 17:58, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
OK Anyone want to build an equivalent of this for images?
Twinkle/Furme can only do so much :) Sfan00 IMG ( talk) 19:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Any idea why this appeared on my watchlist today?
Hoekstra]
marked Chris Hall (Australian footballer) as reviewed
contribs) marked Nick Bruton as reviewed
Should reviewed articles be hidden by default? The-Pope ( talk) 00:21, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I've been using the new feature and the side bar that is supposed to show up when I click on an article sometimes doesn't come up. Any one know why this is and is there a solution?-- Dom497 ( talk) 00:33, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Oh, and the feed isn't loading... :/ -- Dom497 ( talk) 00:54, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
When I click on "new pages" on the "recent changes" page, I go to the new article curation page. That displays a grand total of 10 new pages on my screen, as opposed to 40+ on the old page (I see that I still can get there by removing the "Feed" from the URL. Sorry to be negative, but I don't like this new page. Not only does the old page display many more articles (so that I can rapidly scan a large number of articles to see which ones I am interested in), but the yellow highlighting makes it very easy to see which ones have already been patrolled. In addition, when hovering my cursor over an article name, I get (using popups) a preview of that page (without needing to actually open it), which doesn't work on the new one. At the moment, when I click "review", I actually do not see any way to mark a page as reviewed. Neither does the review toolbar appear (I use Firefox on Windows7). When I looked at this toolbar earlier, it didn't seem to do anything other than what Twinkle already does. In short, I find that the old Special:NewPages in combination with Twinkle lets me patrol new pages much more efficiently than the new page. I hope that Special:NewPages will not be abandoned completely... -- Guillaume2303 ( talk) 13:45, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 21:01, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
In the setup I'm using, the floating table header and table footer takes up about as much space as one entry, which means that I can only view four entries at the same time on my 15" widescreen display using a slightly-larger-than-default font size. Removing the floating properties may sound like a micro improvement, but in my case it means that I can view 25% more entries at the same time. I can only imagine what it looks like on a small 9" netbook display. Suggestion: Move the content from the footer ("868 pages reviewed this week" and the refresh-button) to the header and freeze it. jonkerz ♠talk 03:57, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Does the Navigation popups work on the New pages feed? I use firefox. Harsh (talk) 14:24, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
I tried New pages feed, first of all thanks, it is of great use when doing NPP, there is one issue though I faced. Whenever I am tagging a page for CSD and meanwhile some other person already tagged it for CSD, then my tagging process continues and places a tag on the same page. This results in duplication of tags on the same page. In twinkle if I am tagging the page and meanwhile some other person tagged it then I get a notice that a tag has already been placed for the article. So if we get same kind of system maybe duplication can be avoided. Thanks. -- Rangilo Gujarati ( talk) 16:01, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
I don't have a browser-specific bug. I don't have a complaint. I don't have new requirements. I LOVE this. I'm ordinarily hard to convince, but this works, it's intuitive, it was needed, and whoever designed this did a splendid job. I really appreciate this. Thank you. -- Lockley ( talk) 03:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
When I marked a page as unreviewed which was marked earlier as reviewed and then give an optional reason, it sends the message to the creator that an editor reviewed your page. It should rather be an editor marked your page as unreviewed. Harsh (talk) 10:45, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
A user whose article I tagged because it was a stub and needed more cites took it personally (see my talk page). I understand she felt patronised because she was still editing that page when I put the stub and cite tag on the article, which placed the automatic message in her talk page. The message needs to state more emphatically that the purpose of tagging is that other editors can search for articles that require attention rather than a critique of their work, acknowledge that the user may still be editing the page (and that person using the tool has no way of knowing that), and that stub, cite, mos and other such tags are very common on new articles and the user should not infer negatively on that.
We can't afford to lose contributors over something like this. Alanl ( talk) 13:58, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
I too would like to add my praise to this project. It's fantastic to see the WMF plan and deploy, in close consultation with the relevant community, tools that help the existing community do their self-assigned tasks better. Better curation tools = happier existing editors = higher likelyhood of new editors being helped/welcomed.
One question though - when I first tried out the toolbar, I clicked on the little "x" (dismiss/close) button and it disappeared. But the only way of getting it back was to go back to the new pages feed (which I could only find by tiny link from the Recent changes page) and then clicking to review a new article. Now today, when I try that again, I can't get the toolbar to appear at all. Is there a way to make the toolbar appear without going through that process? I'm using Firefox 16. Witty lama 03:27, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Page Curation tool excellent overall. Better than just pages patrol. New training guide is very useful with the tabbed layout. Possibly branching the stubs message with 15 common stubs would target the stubs as these short articles are so common. Kieranian2001 ( talk) 11:55, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
What about new pages in the non-user, non-article namespaces? Are they no longer to be patrolled? -- Cgtdk ( talk) 11:07, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
When reaching one of ones own pages while browsing through the unpatrolled new pages with the toolbar, the toolbar disappears. It would be nice to be able to click the next button instead of being forced to go back to the new pages feed. -- Cgtdk ( talk) 21:26, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Today the big 'I' button doesn't work. This leads to confusion and double patrolling. Note also at this example the inconsistency of the types of messages that are produced. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 10:23, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Messages placed through the curation toolbar are not being signed, dated, and time stamped. See this example. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 10:57, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
On looking at a to-be-reviewed page, the toolbar did appear. I closed it. On the next page it did not appear, so I researched it and found out about the control in the 'Toolbox' section of the left sidebar. So I used that, and got the toolbar to appear. On following pages accessed from the feed page however, the toolbar did not appear and the Toolbox control also did not appear, so there seems to be no way to restore the toolbar. Using Chrome on Vista. -- R. S. Shaw ( talk) 02:00, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
I confirm again that tbis is not working. Unless I have missed something, which is possible, I can't find any options anywhere to turn it on or off.
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (
talk)
05:13, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Please set the default "sort by" to "oldest". We're trying to get people to review the back of the log, and if you make following that direction the path of least resistance, then more people will do so. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 15:57, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for creating this - I've always wanted to have an easy method to add hatnotes/tags and this is it! I think I might be doing more new page patrolling from now on.
However, I've got a couple of problems:
I'm finding quite a lot of cases where editors have added {{ stub}} to an article which already has a specific stub template. The curation toolbar just says "This page is very short" beside the "Stub" tickbox. Could it be expanded to "This page is very short (and doesn't already have a stub tag)"? (Until we get any progress on the requested enhancement of getting this option suppressed in articles which already contain "-stub}}"). Pam D 23:17, 1 October 2012 (UTC)