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BINI

Still in disbelief that I am doing this, as a person whose editing portfolio normally covers articles on death, destruction and political violence, but I opened a discussion on renaming Bini to uppercase as per nomenclature of virtually every WP:RS source in this country. See Talk:Bini (group). Borgenland ( talk) 15:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Also need to clarify if I have to manually post a move notice on article space or wait for a third party or bot to do the job. Borgenland ( talk) 15:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Borgenland You might not need to find out anymore, considering BINI is in the article alert section of Tambayan Philippines, but when you add a moving template, a bot does the job sooner or later. TheNuggeteer ( talk) 10:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Santiago Colleges

Flagging Northeastern College of Santiago, Isabela for a 68.5% copyvio from school website. Couldn't put the hidden template myself since I'm not proficient in that kind of code. Borgenland ( talk) 16:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I've reverted it to the latest non-copyvio version (Which was on 2011). -- Lenticel ( talk) 09:19, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Thanks! I saw that the safe version had no intro so I tried to salvage one. Do correct if it still is problematic. Borgenland ( talk) 09:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Update: I also ran through University of La Salette and it had a 95.4% copyvio from school website, hence the section renaming. Borgenland ( talk) 09:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Borgenland: No non-copyvio version found. I suggest that you nominate this for speedy delete G12. Lenticel ( talk) 01:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply
A pity though, given that it’s a major university in the area. But I’ll try my best to salvage the thing even if it means downgrading it into a stub. Borgenland ( talk) 06:21, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply
It can still be recreated but without the added copyvio baggage. -- Lenticel ( talk) 08:29, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Was going to suggest preserving the references here, but, well. CMD ( talk) 09:32, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Update: I chopped it down and finally provided a ref, albeit the school website. Borgenland ( talk) 14:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Borgenland hindi ba't the school website is non-independent? ( WP:INDEPENDENT). JWilz12345 ( Talk| Contrib's.) 10:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I was aware of that but I was worried that a lack of sources could lead to G12 so I decided to use it as a stopgap. Borgenland ( talk) 10:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC) reply

( ) School websites may be used as references (per the relevant guidelines) subject to the usual caveats. - Ian Lopez @ 07:44, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Appropriate reference for area of NKTI, and location of institutes in Manila

I wanted to add a citation for the area of the National Kidney and Transplant Institute (NKTI). A source mentioning that NKTI is situated in a 58,899 square-meter lot of land along East Avenue, Quezon City is available from a 2017 executive summary by the Commision of Audit. Another possible source mentioning it would be the website of NKTI. My problem is choosing which is more appropriate. Also, I'll try to do the citation manually so I might make a minor error.

Another problem I noticed is citations were needed for the location of several national institutions such as the National Library and the Philippine General Hospital, which are in Manila (by looking at a map?). The paragraph is in the Wikipedia page for Manila. I wanted to raise this after reading advice in Wikipedia on common knowledge and citations.

What would be the most appropriate to do for me here? My initial approach would be the COA report and deleting the [citation needed], but I wanted to know what would the consensus be, as I'm a new editor. I posted my question here so other PH editors can see this, and this can be used as a "basis" for encountering similar problems. RFNirmala ( talk) 04:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Is the exact land area important? I would rather remove that fact.
I have never seen coordinates being cited. Where is this being needed? With that being said, I'm stumped on what is a good WP:RS for that. Howard the Duck ( talk) 05:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Hmm... off the top of my head, it strikes me that a Google Maps cite might be useful to readers. I won't try to flesh out the cites here, but see [1], [2]. Just a thought. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:56, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Google Maps is essentially a Wiki. Does that make it not WP:RS? What are WP:RS for coordinates? Government mapping agencies like the National Mapping and Resource Information Authority? Howard the Duck ( talk) 07:55, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Proposal for Creating Barangay Project

Do you think we should create a Wiki project about barangays? Barangays are one of the sparsest topics in the Philippines, only with five/ten barangay pages/redirects in Eastern Visayas. TheNuggeteer ( talk) 00:31, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Probably no need to have a separate WikiProject. I think the existing Tambayan Philippines/Task force LGU is the appropriate place to talk about barangays but since that task force is not as active, I think we can retain discussions here on the main Tambayan talk page since discussions here are not that many that it can be overwhelming. And then just document any stats, guidelines, manual of styles there. — seav ( talk) 08:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Invitation to Transportation Task Force

Hello! I am inviting everyone who's interested to be a part of the Transportation Task Force to make it more active.

This task force aims to improve articles related to transportation in the Philippines, covering topics such as railways, roads, aviation, maritime, and more.

I hope you can share your thoughts and improve the quality of Philippine transportation articles. Thanks! Hiwilms Talk 05:44, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Baguio Midland Courier

In light of the regional weekly publication ceasing their operations next month, I created a draft article so that other contributors can make the relevant improvements and hopefully move it to mainspace before the release of its final article on July 21. - Ian Lopez @ 08:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

POGO raids

Should the two raids mentioned at Philippine Offshore Gaming Operator#Notable raids be split into separate articles? Or (as an alternative, considering a major debate at Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#NOTNEWS), a list article covering notable raids, like List of raids on Philippine Offshore Gaming Operators? Although the impact and aftermath brought by the raids may be long-term to comply with WP:SUSTAINED. JWilz12345 ( Talk| Contrib's.) 04:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Is there much more to say than what is currently in that article? I wouldn't split them as written into their own articles or a list. There are other raids that could be added however, taking a quick look this source mentions the Hong Tai raid. (Perhaps a good example of what the hypothetical split articles would look like too.) CMD ( talk) 04:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Recent church article moves

Several church articles have been recently moved by User:CoptEgypt136. It might need scrutiny since the shorter common names were replaced by the longer official names. As I understand, the official names could be placed in the fullname {{ Infobox church}} parameter and in the lead's first sentence. Longer article titles also would clutter the pushpin map since it would be automatically used as the map's label:

Sanglahi86 ( talk) 14:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Agree. This is an unnecessary overprecision case. Borgenland ( talk) 14:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
The issue has been resolved as HueMan1 reverted the undiscussed moves. Sanglahi86 ( talk) 12:11, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

It looks like no one has yet picked up writing an article about Manny Castaneda (even though his death was extensively covered by the media), so I created a new article. Please feel free to add more details. Thanks! --- Tito Pao ( talk) 07:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Recently deceased subject needs major cleanup. Just gutted it because its content was basically unsourced. Borgenland ( talk) 16:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Wikipedia talk:PINOY)
 
 
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This is the discussion page of Tambayan Philippines, where Filipino contributors and contributors to Philippine-related articles discuss general matters regarding the development of Philippine-related articles as well as broad topics on the Philippines with respect to Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. Likewise, this talk page also serves as the regional notice board for Wikipedia concerns regarding the Philippines, enabling other contributors to request input from Filipino Wikipedians.


BINI

Still in disbelief that I am doing this, as a person whose editing portfolio normally covers articles on death, destruction and political violence, but I opened a discussion on renaming Bini to uppercase as per nomenclature of virtually every WP:RS source in this country. See Talk:Bini (group). Borgenland ( talk) 15:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Also need to clarify if I have to manually post a move notice on article space or wait for a third party or bot to do the job. Borgenland ( talk) 15:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Borgenland You might not need to find out anymore, considering BINI is in the article alert section of Tambayan Philippines, but when you add a moving template, a bot does the job sooner or later. TheNuggeteer ( talk) 10:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Santiago Colleges

Flagging Northeastern College of Santiago, Isabela for a 68.5% copyvio from school website. Couldn't put the hidden template myself since I'm not proficient in that kind of code. Borgenland ( talk) 16:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I've reverted it to the latest non-copyvio version (Which was on 2011). -- Lenticel ( talk) 09:19, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Thanks! I saw that the safe version had no intro so I tried to salvage one. Do correct if it still is problematic. Borgenland ( talk) 09:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Update: I also ran through University of La Salette and it had a 95.4% copyvio from school website, hence the section renaming. Borgenland ( talk) 09:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Borgenland: No non-copyvio version found. I suggest that you nominate this for speedy delete G12. Lenticel ( talk) 01:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply
A pity though, given that it’s a major university in the area. But I’ll try my best to salvage the thing even if it means downgrading it into a stub. Borgenland ( talk) 06:21, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply
It can still be recreated but without the added copyvio baggage. -- Lenticel ( talk) 08:29, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Was going to suggest preserving the references here, but, well. CMD ( talk) 09:32, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Update: I chopped it down and finally provided a ref, albeit the school website. Borgenland ( talk) 14:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Borgenland hindi ba't the school website is non-independent? ( WP:INDEPENDENT). JWilz12345 ( Talk| Contrib's.) 10:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I was aware of that but I was worried that a lack of sources could lead to G12 so I decided to use it as a stopgap. Borgenland ( talk) 10:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC) reply

( ) School websites may be used as references (per the relevant guidelines) subject to the usual caveats. - Ian Lopez @ 07:44, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Appropriate reference for area of NKTI, and location of institutes in Manila

I wanted to add a citation for the area of the National Kidney and Transplant Institute (NKTI). A source mentioning that NKTI is situated in a 58,899 square-meter lot of land along East Avenue, Quezon City is available from a 2017 executive summary by the Commision of Audit. Another possible source mentioning it would be the website of NKTI. My problem is choosing which is more appropriate. Also, I'll try to do the citation manually so I might make a minor error.

Another problem I noticed is citations were needed for the location of several national institutions such as the National Library and the Philippine General Hospital, which are in Manila (by looking at a map?). The paragraph is in the Wikipedia page for Manila. I wanted to raise this after reading advice in Wikipedia on common knowledge and citations.

What would be the most appropriate to do for me here? My initial approach would be the COA report and deleting the [citation needed], but I wanted to know what would the consensus be, as I'm a new editor. I posted my question here so other PH editors can see this, and this can be used as a "basis" for encountering similar problems. RFNirmala ( talk) 04:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Is the exact land area important? I would rather remove that fact.
I have never seen coordinates being cited. Where is this being needed? With that being said, I'm stumped on what is a good WP:RS for that. Howard the Duck ( talk) 05:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Hmm... off the top of my head, it strikes me that a Google Maps cite might be useful to readers. I won't try to flesh out the cites here, but see [1], [2]. Just a thought. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:56, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Google Maps is essentially a Wiki. Does that make it not WP:RS? What are WP:RS for coordinates? Government mapping agencies like the National Mapping and Resource Information Authority? Howard the Duck ( talk) 07:55, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Proposal for Creating Barangay Project

Do you think we should create a Wiki project about barangays? Barangays are one of the sparsest topics in the Philippines, only with five/ten barangay pages/redirects in Eastern Visayas. TheNuggeteer ( talk) 00:31, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Probably no need to have a separate WikiProject. I think the existing Tambayan Philippines/Task force LGU is the appropriate place to talk about barangays but since that task force is not as active, I think we can retain discussions here on the main Tambayan talk page since discussions here are not that many that it can be overwhelming. And then just document any stats, guidelines, manual of styles there. — seav ( talk) 08:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Invitation to Transportation Task Force

Hello! I am inviting everyone who's interested to be a part of the Transportation Task Force to make it more active.

This task force aims to improve articles related to transportation in the Philippines, covering topics such as railways, roads, aviation, maritime, and more.

I hope you can share your thoughts and improve the quality of Philippine transportation articles. Thanks! Hiwilms Talk 05:44, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Baguio Midland Courier

In light of the regional weekly publication ceasing their operations next month, I created a draft article so that other contributors can make the relevant improvements and hopefully move it to mainspace before the release of its final article on July 21. - Ian Lopez @ 08:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

POGO raids

Should the two raids mentioned at Philippine Offshore Gaming Operator#Notable raids be split into separate articles? Or (as an alternative, considering a major debate at Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#NOTNEWS), a list article covering notable raids, like List of raids on Philippine Offshore Gaming Operators? Although the impact and aftermath brought by the raids may be long-term to comply with WP:SUSTAINED. JWilz12345 ( Talk| Contrib's.) 04:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Is there much more to say than what is currently in that article? I wouldn't split them as written into their own articles or a list. There are other raids that could be added however, taking a quick look this source mentions the Hong Tai raid. (Perhaps a good example of what the hypothetical split articles would look like too.) CMD ( talk) 04:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Recent church article moves

Several church articles have been recently moved by User:CoptEgypt136. It might need scrutiny since the shorter common names were replaced by the longer official names. As I understand, the official names could be placed in the fullname {{ Infobox church}} parameter and in the lead's first sentence. Longer article titles also would clutter the pushpin map since it would be automatically used as the map's label:

Sanglahi86 ( talk) 14:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Agree. This is an unnecessary overprecision case. Borgenland ( talk) 14:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
The issue has been resolved as HueMan1 reverted the undiscussed moves. Sanglahi86 ( talk) 12:11, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

It looks like no one has yet picked up writing an article about Manny Castaneda (even though his death was extensively covered by the media), so I created a new article. Please feel free to add more details. Thanks! --- Tito Pao ( talk) 07:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Recently deceased subject needs major cleanup. Just gutted it because its content was basically unsourced. Borgenland ( talk) 16:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply


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