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Average awareness level and seriousness about copy right laws is some how missing even amongst Indian wikipedians.Some Indian wikipedian will get caught unaware of his mistake some day and end up in jail.
Please we need to have some good articles in this respect.I have posted one article and is in dire need of support from Indian wikipedians ;please visit Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Fair use
Mahitgar 04:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Myself and User:Utcursch have been discussing what to do with lists like List of famous Rajputs, List of Famous Nairs, Category:Brahmins, Category:Dalit, etc. Check WP:DSI for all Afd's.
I nominated a some "List of famous <caste-name-here>" for deletion, because they were full of unsourced stuff and wrong information, and in my personal opinion, "indiscriminate collection of information".
After discussion with Bakaman, I realized I should not be really bothered about these lists -- he is right when he says that caste-cruft is usually not looked at unless except the people of that caste. But at the same time, I don't want Wikipedia to become a tool to glorify castes.
The problem is that if you keep lists, you can't stop creation of categories. People will eventually create categories, and if somebody moves them to deletion, the first argument will be: We've got Category:Indian Americans, so why we should not have Category:Yadavs, Category:Mahars, Category:Gaud Saraswat Brahmins. For example, recently a Wikipedia:Single purpose account ( User:Sbei78) was created to carry out this task. Ignoring WP:INN, the argument given was "If xyz list exists, why should not this list exist?". In my very personal opinion, caste-based lists are not like List of Indians, rather they are akin to List of Rednecks, which we should not have (since Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information)
As of now, we do have Category:Brahmins and Category:Dalit, but these consist mostly of articles on sub-castes or related topics. But in future, I see biographies being categorized as Category:Dalits, Category:Jats, Category:Deshpandes. If such things are moved to deletions, people will cite existance of other such lists, ignoring WP:INN.
I'd suggest having a formal set of guidelines for this caste-related stuff. Like Bakaman said, lists are a better idea than categories (I am against creation of lists as well, but many already exist).
My ideal set of guidelines would be:
But I know this is wishful thinking, and hardly anybody will agree with it. So, here is another set of proposed guidelines:
I strongly suggest that we have an official set of guideline for this caste-related stuff, as a part of Wikipedia:WikiProject India. The guidelines can be decided by discussion and voting. utcursch | talk 05:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Your logic sounds good. If there are any lists at the present times, no red links should be permitted, and each person should have a reference proving they are indeed from that community or clan (caste). Bakaman Bakatalk 22:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
The initiative for discussion by Utcursch and Bakasuprman is excellent. By and large, their logic and arguments are also quite sound. However, I disagree on 2 points - (1) Go on case-by-case basis. It is not groundless to create articles, lists and categories based on castes, but there must be good sources and convention to justify it - no WP:OR, nothing that violates WP:RS or WP:POINT. (2) we must not develop a guideline through WikiProject India. This is vital - no group of editors based on nationality, religion, etc. should determine which content is advisable to create or not. I completely understand that our motives will be clean and our restrictions minimal. But we cannot create a guideline that inhibits the creation of new content. We don't, and shouldn't have this power. In addition, it will be a pain to change the guideline in due course of time if mandated by new developments. New crops of editors will look at things a lot differently.
My advice is, stick to the fundamentals - WP:RS, WP:NOT, WP:NOTABILITY, WP:CITE, WP:NPOV, WP:OR. These provide ample protection against articles that are poorly referenced, inherently biased or intended to prove a WP:POINT. Wikipedia's standards provide excellent protection against content that is questionable. No new criteria or guideline should be created by a smaller group of editors. To deal with fresh cases that may arise from time to time, begin with WP:AGF and work through discussion and consensus-building. No knowledge is unwelcome here. But that which is fake is not knowledge anyway. Rama's arrow 01:41, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I have found the caste pages troublesome throughout my time at Wikipedia. The desires of vandals and POV-Pushers editing these pages can be summarized as.
This often gets out of hand, because enforcement of Wikipolicies cited by Nirav above aren't being adhered to. Basically, what I'm getting at is people love creating these lists and probably won't stop just because we decide over here that we shouldn't let them. So, what is the solution? The creation of categories to divide people amongst castes is something I am opposed to. Firstly, it's very hard to get people to provide sources when working with categories, as one has to end up tracking down addition of categories on many different pages and we end up in a bit of a mess. It also gives undue weight to the caste system, which is diminishing in India. So let's keep it to lists. Maintaining lists can be hard as well, but we need to be especially strict. We have some pages dedicated to last names associated with a caste (eg. List of Khatri last names), I say we should be strict on these pages to prove that these last names are indeed the caste they are meant to be. There are some sites that can help here, such as Ancestry.com, which can give us the caste for Malhotra, Arya, Basu etc. etc. It would follow logically that people with any of these last names can be placed in the lists for their respective castes.
Now, not all surnames can be researched, in which case one would have to find a reputable source that states that a particular person is indeed of a particular caste. If this source is not provided, then names should be deleted almost instantly. One could easily source sites like Ancestry.com as we are pretty sure of many people's surnames. There's nothing wrong with redlinks as long as the people pass the test of notability. A few restrictions need to be placed on this list, Dalit activists who have converted and renounced their caste are no longer famous Dalits. If one has renounced the caste system and their caste, they cannot be labelled as part of a caste. For the most part, I think many Indians would know their caste (at least a broad caste, such as Brahmin, Kshatriya) and if they have not officially renounced their caste then they can be noted as part of this caste.
Now, note that all these comments are based on the fact that we can't control these lists from appearing. If one can have List of Hindus, List of Catholic American entertainers then people have justifiable incentive to create a List of Nairs. If you guys have a way of keeping these lists out of the war forever (and stopping them from being created on pages, see Khatri#Distinguished Khatris) then that would be ideal, but I don't think that's very easy to do. Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 06:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Lets scrap list of brahmins, list of dalits, list of kshatriya because those are way too large. We can think of Iyer, Nair, Bhumihar more as clans or tribes and keep them in the mold of List of Bengali people, List of Tamils, etc. I think caste based categories are atrocious and require way too much policing. If lists are ripe for cruft, cats are ripe for more malicious things like mislabeling that would appear on the article and possible defamation. Bakaman Bakatalk 02:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I think you have a very good plan, and your proposal seems to make the most sense once we consider WP:BLP and WP:V. Bakaman Bakatalk 23:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I have placed a move template (with the discussion poll section), in its talk page, to move it back to its original name. As suggested in WP:RM. Thought anyone interested should know. -- h y dka t 14:03, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
There is a on-going discussion about improving collaboration in the India project. As part of the discussion, we are proposing a redesign of the noticeboard page as a portal. This will improve and increase visibility to various activities in the projects. The proposed design page is at Indian Wikipedians' notice board. Please check and comment. Thanks, Ganeshk ( talk) 05:41, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Please specify support or oppose the move to the new portal page:
Add your additional comments:
I request to take a look at Belgaum border dispute and check the bulking and additions of sundry, insiginificant information merely to push the POV.A short summary of events which sparked the trouble-
Thanks. Mahawiki 17:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC) PS:Pl look the talk page and the history of that article to verify my claims.
The result of the debate was Move all except Belgaum (to be decided in a separate poll). Both sides have their arguments, so I went after the votecount (yes, I discounted the SPAs). In a nutshell: I see several precedents which justify the change, and English usage (especially for smaller cities) is/will be determined chiefly by Indian usage. While Wikipedia is not a crystal ball indeed, its comparative advantage is that it's updated much faster than other paper encyclopedias. Duja ► 11:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
P.S. There seems to be an uncertainty whether the names should be with -oo- or -u-. As far as I checked, the -u- ones are official so I moved them there and created missing redirects. Duja ► 12:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Today (November 1st, 2006), by Government of Karnataka, some of the cities of Karnataka are being renamed to their original form from the current anglicised forms like Bangalore to Bengalooru ( IBNLIVE article. More references and developments available in 2nd paragraph of Bangalore article).
Changes:
Now, what needs to be done in Wikipedia?
Based on the lines of Mumbai (redirected from Bombay), Chennai (redirected from Madras), Kolkata (redirected from Calcutta), we should be providing the redirects from current name to the new name, (eg: provide the redirect from Bangalore to Bengalooru). Then we will need to provde the sentence in introduction of each article, referring to the old name, like (( formerly ) ). This is exactly how it is done in other articles( Mumbai, Chennai, Kolkata).
Along with these redirects/moves, we will need to write a general paragraph applicable for these changes and should be put in a section of all these articles. I request Admins' help in this regard. - KNM Talk 16:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
*Strong Support - Since the movement has been made officially by the authorities and the government of Karnataka, we should be following the same strategy that has been applied for other such cities such as Kolkata, Chennai and Mumbai.
Gnanapiti 18:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Comment. Please read this article [10] which confirms that the Kannada name will also be used in English language(for those towns/cities whose names have been officially changed). So why the capitulation?. Its Bengaluru in English as well. Who is anyone to decide whether the name will catch on, gain popularity or change again over the decades. The name of Mumbai may change again too. Did that stop people from using it as the official name on wiki?. Lets get on with it and let us not allow doubting Thomases and prejudists to stop us from doing the right thing. Let us not forget that the its the dream of the common man with no access to computers and wikipedia which has been fulfilled. Where are there votes? This voting thing is bogus as it accounts for the affluent who dont care much and prefer English names anyway. Bangalore just does not belong to Bangaloreans but to the whole of Karnataka. Take a census with the 55 million people in Karnataka and you will see the right % of those want the change and those who dont. The whole idea of changing the name is to assert ourselves and our pride in Kannada. We dont need to prove whether the name will catch on or become popular. Dineshkannambadi 14:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Read this and this to ascertain the majority of Maharashtrians and their 'opposition' to Kannada. Mahawiki 16:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Comment Very clever arguements from user Xiaopo but at the end of the day, (be it tommorow or 45 days from) I think the only ones who are really going to stand against changing the name are those with some axe to grind. Why should Turin be an example for Bengaluru. Once again, an attempt to evaluate India and everything Indian from an european point of view. What America calls Turin is immaterial. I see a lot of vested arguements. 1.lets wait for 45 days 2.Let us see if becomes popular 3.Its not officially official yet 4.The naming convention has nothing to do with common man. 5.Bengaluru may not be its English version. Is'nt Mumbai English?
At the end of the day, wikipedia has to come around and follow main stream, no matter what happens in this vote. Dineshkannambadi 19:34, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Comment Firstly, it seems like nobody's sure whether the new name is Bengaluru or Bengalooru, or what have you. But more importantly, it looks like the change won't be "official" for at least a month:
Or from the Houston Chronicle:
Let's be careful not to jump the gun here. -- Xiaopo ( Talk) 19:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Strong support - The names are not only made official, but also the printed and electronic media have started using the name as Bengalooru, Belagavi, Mysooru etc. To be consistent with Mumbai, Chennai and Kolkata etc articles, we should certanly make the movements for all these cities' articles. Mr mahawiki, do not mention that marathi people will oppose the name change , It is only MES and people like you are opposing. The marathi speaking people in karnataka have clearly said that.. they want Belagavi to be part of Karnataka and in few days the representation from marathi unions is planning to meet the Maharastra CM to stop such unwanted instigation and allow them to live in karnataka as they are very much comfortable in Karnataka -- NAnuyAru 20:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Strong Support - There is no reason why the movement should be opposed, when the government has announced it on the Rajyotsava day (Nov 1st). 'Bangalore', 'Mysore', 'Belgaum', 'Shimoga' are all not the correct names of those cities anymore and having the article in those names will be against the fact, which is not we are supposed to do in wikipedia. Sritri 01:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Oppose for belgaum (because of sockpuppetry and 3RR gaming). Support for all others. Bakaman Bakatalk 02:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Comment How does one determine when a name has become common, especially for Shimoga, Belgaum, Mysore, Raichur, Hubli, Gulbarga etc which are really not internationally known. Are we saying it should become common within state media or Indian media or within International circles. These places are hardly known outside of tourist circles and how many people visit Belgaum, Raichur, Gulbarga anyway?. Is it enough that these places be gazetted with new names or should maps be drawn also?. Dineshkannambadi 02:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Comment I think this is a case of chicken and egg. Should the name become popular first with English speakers or the name be made popular to English speakers. Sumanth puts forward a good example of sound reasoning. Keep it up!!. Why would the English speakers of the world want to use a non-English if they did not have to. Its like saying, the English of the world have to recognise the Indian flag before India can be considered free!! They finally did when they had no choice!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dineshkannambadi ( talk • contribs) 05:38, 3 November, 2006 (UTC).
Comment Sorry I forgot to sign my last comment. Dineshkannambadi 14:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Pardon me if I sound ignorant.. but the place referred to in Attukal appears to be the same as Attingal. Can someone check? As far as I know, Attukal is the Tamil name for a kitchen implement used for grinding. The Silent Contributor 14:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Please see this This user has been harrasing and bothering and pushing his POV (escaping 3RR rule as well) Talk:Belgaum, Talk:Belgaum_border_dispute are few of his misdeeds. I request a strict action against Sarvagnya. What furthur steps should be taken? Mahawiki 19:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
It seems the S.I.E.S_High_School article is the target of someone's personal grudge. At least twice has it been vandalised - the person keeps changing the fees information to say that the school is expensive. I am an ex-student of the school and know that the fees are minimal. However that may have changed, but this user - who is known only by his/her IPs ( 83.219.101.152, 83.219.104.35) - keeps changing the fee information without providing any sort of reason or reference. I request the WikiProject India moderators/admins to look into this. I have posted this notice here, since the school article has been made part of the Indian WikiProject. For the moment I have reverted the vandalism, but something more permanent needs to be done. Thank you. Rohitbd 05:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Article needed on Pandharpuri Buffalo Please create a one with the help of following links
Mahawiki is thinking of departure of this bad-faith ridden, impolite, politics-infested, ungoverned world of English wikipedia.Mahawiki has been extremely unhappy at anti-Maharashtra face of wikipedia and pushing of opposition propoganda at sensitive articles like Belgaum border dispute. Kannada users have being using sockpuppets to seek concession of WP:3RR rule, build fake consensus and harrass opposing editors.They moved in groups and hijack the article keeping no option but to break the 3RR rule and get blocked or stay quiet and give in to their vandalism. User:KNM, User:Naveenbm, User:Sarvagnya(which is confirmed) and god know how many sockpuppets of them are the players! Added to that is ignorance and partisan attitude of so-called admins who extremely prejudiced who propogate injustice by defending the likes of users like User:Sarvagnya and his Kannada-emphatic troops.The mosy recent example of this is when User:Arya_Rajya_Maharashtra was blocked for its very likely being a sockpuppetmaster and Sarvagnya was spared even after he being sockupuppetmaster of User:Gnanapiti WAS CONFIRMED.
Mahawiki says :its time to take a graceful exit while my innocence and my point has been proved. Maharashtra or Marathi cannot be defamed by wikipedia and just because some nonsense is written here. Belgaum doesnt go to Karnataka just because Kannadis push their POV at belgaum_border_dispute. There's no point to stay here when shameless trolls roam unapologetically even after serious charge of sockpuppetry is being proven and incapable admins buy his claims of- we used same laptop!, he moved to other city!!. It has been proved umpteenth times that there is a way to make wikipedia work as u want.IF you dont know that you should not work in wikipedia. Seriously I havent understood how wikipedia system works and truth disperses...
Mahawiki signs off- Good-bye and happy trolling!! Mahawiki 06:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I ask for input and views on an idea I've had to improve productivity on WP:INCOTW and perhaps the wider WP:IND and other India-related wikiprojects. We're having some trouble attracting participants, especially from the growing numbers of new Indian and India-interested editors. While Ganeshk's outreach initiative is the best way to build a communication network, I have something a bit radical to suggest:
For INCOTW, we create a list of editors from WP:IND's member list and those interested in INCOTW (being careful not to pick newbies who are not acquainted with WP:IND and teamwork). Then using random draws, we compile a team(s) of 4-5 editors. These editors will be charged with producing 1 FA on a topic that they should decide between themselves. They will have 1 month to do this (1 week is impractical in growing an article, much less FA'ing it) - alternatively, they can have 2 weeks to write a GA - upto them. We can also run such a system collaterally with the regular nom-and-vote system.
The same idea of random draw can be used to select editors to work on specific jobs that need doing, like deletion sorting, maintaining Outreach, running INCOTW, doing the various jobs on Wikipedia:WikiProject India/to do. An editor who is picked is given the responsibility for 2 or 4 weeks (depending on the job). Editors on wikibreaks are not eligible for random selection and those selected may choose to decline the chance, whereupon someone else is selected.
We can also create a rewards list - barnstars, an "India editors hall of fame," etc. What thoughts? Rama's arrow 15:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Indian wikipedians, I think we should also become part of local categories like [[Category:New Delhi Wikipedians]] to collaborate more effectively and locally. I am now seeing the (positive) trend of more and more locally relevant articles are being added to wikipedia and (thankfully) such pages have started surviving 'non notability criteria', thus it becomes more important to be part of such categories which can enhance and maintain local information as well (I see city/town wise Viki (Wiki) Clubs emerging out of wikipedia and such effort will help there). This notice board is fine for topics spanning regions (e.g. 14'th Lok Sabha, Hindi Film Industry, Indian Railways etc) but not for state/city wise information, for such local data its better to use discusssion page of corresponding page (e.g. discussion page of Jhansi) and/or corresponding page(s) category (e.g. [[Category:Jhansi]]) and/or corresponding user category (e.g. [[Category:Jhansi Wikipedians]]) Regards, Vjdchauhan 06:27, 4 November 2006 (UTC).
I agree that making such "local user" categories would not serve any important use. HeBhagawan 02:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
ALL INDIANS AND HUMANS PL. APPEAL TO MR.TERRYJ-HO IN STRONGEST WORD FOR HIS SUCH COMMENTS ON TALK PAGE OF Dmcdevit. Swadhyayee 14:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
The practice of Sati continues till this day..mostly due to religious sanction TerryJ-Ho 11:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Mr.TerryJ-Ho, If, your above statement is intentional, you are doing the worst thing of tarnishing the image of our country. I do not know your back-ground. Hope you will appreciate that sentiments of any person get hurt when his/her nation/religion/societies come under false attack. How would you feel, if so done to you? India has a population of 120,00,00000. I have completed 56 years in this country and sufficiently informed about things going in this country. I have moved in villages regularly and live in Mumbai from birth. I have hardly heard of one or two instance of Sati during my life of 56 yrs. You can't help the people who wants to self immolate. We have rich & poor, educated and un-educated, modern and orthodox, good and bad all kind of people like any other country would have. Sati Pratha came in social practice because of Muslims invaded small kingdoms, killed or captured males, raped and made women folk their wives. Indians mostly were strict vegetarians. Muslims are non-veg. The women preferred death over being raped or marrying for the second time against Hindu culture and customs. The pride of woman-hood and un-civilised behaviour of Muslims are the route cause of this deprecative social system. Though people like me who borned later are also full of wounds of the root cause of Muslims behaviour. Pl. don't make fun of our pitiable social system which do not exist anymore from more than 5 decades. You shall make yourself and your society a shame for such remarks. Can you show me a single evidence that the system of Sati exist and the roots are our religion? Where did you get this information from? You are a shame Mr.TerryJ-Ho. God will not forgive you for such in-human behaviour. Swadhyayee 14:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
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ALL INDIANS AND HUMANS PL. APPEAL TO MR.TERRYJ-HO IN STRONGEST WORD FOR HIS SUCH COMMENTS ON TALK PAGE OF Dmcdevit. Swadhyayee 14:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
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An anon made this edit of accuracy I don't know. Could someone a) check that and b) clean/source the article better? I don't know enough about the topic to be at all helpful. JoshuaZ 21:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Here is a interesting stat. I created the following table from this page. Listed below are Top 20 projects with highest FAs. India came 3rd. -- Ganeshk ( talk) 22:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Project | FAs |
---|---|
Biography articles | 197 |
Military history articles | 140 |
India articles | 51 |
Australia articles | 33 |
Film articles | 32 |
Computer and video game articles | 32 |
Biography (musicians) articles | 31 |
Meteorology articles | 30 |
Biography (politics and government) articles | 29 |
Biography (arts and entertainment) articles | 28 |
Tropical cyclone articles | 28 |
Germany articles | 27 |
Football articles | 19 |
Biography (military) articles | 19 |
Rail transport articles | 19 |
Song articles | 18 |
Biography (royalty) articles | 18 |
Biography (core) articles | 17 |
Great work by our FA writers. This table should also be displayed at Wikiproject Council!! -- Lost (talk) 05:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I see duplication at Wikipedia:Notice board for India-related topics/It's new and Wikipedia:Notice board for India-related topics/New articles. Merge? -- Lost (talk) 08:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Does this organization meet Wikipedia's notability standards? The intial text for this article may have been based on material written as part of a campaign mounted by MyWikiBiz.com to upload paid articles to Wikipedia; see the discussion on the WikiProject Spam talk page. Other editors added links to various India-related news sites, but some discuss men's concerns without mentioning this organization. Other links mention the organization but I can't tell if they are to sufficiently notable and reliable news organizations to meet the reliable sources guideline. Since its original upload, multiple editors have worked on it, sometimes with strong feelings, pro and con, about this organization.
This article was the only thing its original editor, Newageindian, ever edited; his single purpose account has been flagged as a possible sockpuppet. Thanks, -- A. B. 18:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, there are two historical nonfree maps of India currently needing replacements: Image:SungaMap.jpg and Image:MauryanMap.jpg. I'm wondering if some of you talented mapmakers could get to replacing these. Thanks. howch e ng { chat} 22:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
If you are interested, please place your vote for the best among competing versions of a paragraph on the caste system in Hinduism. Vote at the bottom of the Hinduism discussion page here: [ [13]]. Thanks! HeBhagawan 13:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)==
There is a
Wikipedia-wide initiative to make the talk-templates smaller and reduce the clutter on talk pages. I have changed
Indian project banner to allow for a parameter, small=yes
. It will resize the template and move it to the right. You can see it working on
Talk:India. Let me know if you have any questions. --
Ganeshk (
talk) 06:09, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Do you know what BK and KH stand for in Kangrali (BK) and Kangrali (KH)? Thanks for the help. -- Ganeshk ( talk) 02:08, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Chezhiyan has made a great start with the November newsletter. We need more ideas and contributors. Please weigh in here. Lets roll out this issue ASAP!! -- Lost (talk) 06:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Can someone knowledgeable about the subject check the heap of original research at Mudiraju? -- Sundar \ talk \ contribs 10:33, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
is this info correct?-- D-Boy 09:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Putting Belgaum aside for the moment, all the places whose names were changed by the Government of Karnataka on 1 November have been moved to their new names, with the exception of Bangalore which has repeatedly been moved back to Bangalore. Don't we have to be consistent? If the other places were moved because the Karnataka Government's notification is what counts, surely that applies to Bangalore too? Or if Bangalore can't be moved because the new names haven't come into use as yet (as has been argued here), that, too, should apply across the board. I've not seen anyone try to argue for treating Bangalore as a special case, yet that's what we're doing in effect.
I also note that the debate above was closed by an admin with the result being "Move". I'm not a regular participant on :en, so I'm not very familiar with the procedures here - is it the rule here that such decisions are not binding? -- Arvind 10:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I've just attempted this edit. I need to get feedback regarding whether restoring Nichalp's original text is justified. The India article has sadly become cruft- and POV-laden. I fear that a successful FARCing of the article is not far off. Please do comment at Talk:India. Regards, Saravask 06:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
A photo on one of the articles on my watchlist, Image:McChicken India.jpg, has been marked for needing a freely-licensed replacement (it is a copyrighted promo photo). If anyone in India has a hankerin' for a McChicken in the near future, would you mind snapping a photo first? I would gladly owe that person a Wiki-favor. Cheers. youngamerican ( ahoy hoy) 13:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello all, I have made a proposal for Hindi Wikinews on Wikinews/Start a new edition. If you think, the launch of the project is worth doing, please support. Regards, Shyam ( T/ C) 17:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I'll direct everyone's attention to this WP:AN post and note that there are two actresses that share the single name Nargis, one from India and one from Pakistan. To facilitate disambiguation, I suggested that Nargis be renamed to Nargis (Indian Actress), Nargis (Actress) be renamed to Nargis (Pakistani Actress). The original Nargis should redirect to a disambiguation page, due to multiple persons with articles sharing this name. Torinir ( Ding my phone My support calls E-Support Options ) 23:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
(posted on WP:IND) This stub has been proposed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2006/November to sort out {{ India-bio-stub}}. STTW (talk) 21:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I just submitted Portal:Kerala for peer review at Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Peer_review (comments, please!). The articles listed there don't seem to receive much feedback. What's happening? Everyone too busy?-- thunderboltz (Deepu) 13:29, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
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Average awareness level and seriousness about copy right laws is some how missing even amongst Indian wikipedians.Some Indian wikipedian will get caught unaware of his mistake some day and end up in jail.
Please we need to have some good articles in this respect.I have posted one article and is in dire need of support from Indian wikipedians ;please visit Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Fair use
Mahitgar 04:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Myself and User:Utcursch have been discussing what to do with lists like List of famous Rajputs, List of Famous Nairs, Category:Brahmins, Category:Dalit, etc. Check WP:DSI for all Afd's.
I nominated a some "List of famous <caste-name-here>" for deletion, because they were full of unsourced stuff and wrong information, and in my personal opinion, "indiscriminate collection of information".
After discussion with Bakaman, I realized I should not be really bothered about these lists -- he is right when he says that caste-cruft is usually not looked at unless except the people of that caste. But at the same time, I don't want Wikipedia to become a tool to glorify castes.
The problem is that if you keep lists, you can't stop creation of categories. People will eventually create categories, and if somebody moves them to deletion, the first argument will be: We've got Category:Indian Americans, so why we should not have Category:Yadavs, Category:Mahars, Category:Gaud Saraswat Brahmins. For example, recently a Wikipedia:Single purpose account ( User:Sbei78) was created to carry out this task. Ignoring WP:INN, the argument given was "If xyz list exists, why should not this list exist?". In my very personal opinion, caste-based lists are not like List of Indians, rather they are akin to List of Rednecks, which we should not have (since Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information)
As of now, we do have Category:Brahmins and Category:Dalit, but these consist mostly of articles on sub-castes or related topics. But in future, I see biographies being categorized as Category:Dalits, Category:Jats, Category:Deshpandes. If such things are moved to deletions, people will cite existance of other such lists, ignoring WP:INN.
I'd suggest having a formal set of guidelines for this caste-related stuff. Like Bakaman said, lists are a better idea than categories (I am against creation of lists as well, but many already exist).
My ideal set of guidelines would be:
But I know this is wishful thinking, and hardly anybody will agree with it. So, here is another set of proposed guidelines:
I strongly suggest that we have an official set of guideline for this caste-related stuff, as a part of Wikipedia:WikiProject India. The guidelines can be decided by discussion and voting. utcursch | talk 05:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Your logic sounds good. If there are any lists at the present times, no red links should be permitted, and each person should have a reference proving they are indeed from that community or clan (caste). Bakaman Bakatalk 22:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
The initiative for discussion by Utcursch and Bakasuprman is excellent. By and large, their logic and arguments are also quite sound. However, I disagree on 2 points - (1) Go on case-by-case basis. It is not groundless to create articles, lists and categories based on castes, but there must be good sources and convention to justify it - no WP:OR, nothing that violates WP:RS or WP:POINT. (2) we must not develop a guideline through WikiProject India. This is vital - no group of editors based on nationality, religion, etc. should determine which content is advisable to create or not. I completely understand that our motives will be clean and our restrictions minimal. But we cannot create a guideline that inhibits the creation of new content. We don't, and shouldn't have this power. In addition, it will be a pain to change the guideline in due course of time if mandated by new developments. New crops of editors will look at things a lot differently.
My advice is, stick to the fundamentals - WP:RS, WP:NOT, WP:NOTABILITY, WP:CITE, WP:NPOV, WP:OR. These provide ample protection against articles that are poorly referenced, inherently biased or intended to prove a WP:POINT. Wikipedia's standards provide excellent protection against content that is questionable. No new criteria or guideline should be created by a smaller group of editors. To deal with fresh cases that may arise from time to time, begin with WP:AGF and work through discussion and consensus-building. No knowledge is unwelcome here. But that which is fake is not knowledge anyway. Rama's arrow 01:41, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I have found the caste pages troublesome throughout my time at Wikipedia. The desires of vandals and POV-Pushers editing these pages can be summarized as.
This often gets out of hand, because enforcement of Wikipolicies cited by Nirav above aren't being adhered to. Basically, what I'm getting at is people love creating these lists and probably won't stop just because we decide over here that we shouldn't let them. So, what is the solution? The creation of categories to divide people amongst castes is something I am opposed to. Firstly, it's very hard to get people to provide sources when working with categories, as one has to end up tracking down addition of categories on many different pages and we end up in a bit of a mess. It also gives undue weight to the caste system, which is diminishing in India. So let's keep it to lists. Maintaining lists can be hard as well, but we need to be especially strict. We have some pages dedicated to last names associated with a caste (eg. List of Khatri last names), I say we should be strict on these pages to prove that these last names are indeed the caste they are meant to be. There are some sites that can help here, such as Ancestry.com, which can give us the caste for Malhotra, Arya, Basu etc. etc. It would follow logically that people with any of these last names can be placed in the lists for their respective castes.
Now, not all surnames can be researched, in which case one would have to find a reputable source that states that a particular person is indeed of a particular caste. If this source is not provided, then names should be deleted almost instantly. One could easily source sites like Ancestry.com as we are pretty sure of many people's surnames. There's nothing wrong with redlinks as long as the people pass the test of notability. A few restrictions need to be placed on this list, Dalit activists who have converted and renounced their caste are no longer famous Dalits. If one has renounced the caste system and their caste, they cannot be labelled as part of a caste. For the most part, I think many Indians would know their caste (at least a broad caste, such as Brahmin, Kshatriya) and if they have not officially renounced their caste then they can be noted as part of this caste.
Now, note that all these comments are based on the fact that we can't control these lists from appearing. If one can have List of Hindus, List of Catholic American entertainers then people have justifiable incentive to create a List of Nairs. If you guys have a way of keeping these lists out of the war forever (and stopping them from being created on pages, see Khatri#Distinguished Khatris) then that would be ideal, but I don't think that's very easy to do. Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 06:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Lets scrap list of brahmins, list of dalits, list of kshatriya because those are way too large. We can think of Iyer, Nair, Bhumihar more as clans or tribes and keep them in the mold of List of Bengali people, List of Tamils, etc. I think caste based categories are atrocious and require way too much policing. If lists are ripe for cruft, cats are ripe for more malicious things like mislabeling that would appear on the article and possible defamation. Bakaman Bakatalk 02:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I think you have a very good plan, and your proposal seems to make the most sense once we consider WP:BLP and WP:V. Bakaman Bakatalk 23:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I have placed a move template (with the discussion poll section), in its talk page, to move it back to its original name. As suggested in WP:RM. Thought anyone interested should know. -- h y dka t 14:03, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
There is a on-going discussion about improving collaboration in the India project. As part of the discussion, we are proposing a redesign of the noticeboard page as a portal. This will improve and increase visibility to various activities in the projects. The proposed design page is at Indian Wikipedians' notice board. Please check and comment. Thanks, Ganeshk ( talk) 05:41, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Please specify support or oppose the move to the new portal page:
Add your additional comments:
I request to take a look at Belgaum border dispute and check the bulking and additions of sundry, insiginificant information merely to push the POV.A short summary of events which sparked the trouble-
Thanks. Mahawiki 17:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC) PS:Pl look the talk page and the history of that article to verify my claims.
The result of the debate was Move all except Belgaum (to be decided in a separate poll). Both sides have their arguments, so I went after the votecount (yes, I discounted the SPAs). In a nutshell: I see several precedents which justify the change, and English usage (especially for smaller cities) is/will be determined chiefly by Indian usage. While Wikipedia is not a crystal ball indeed, its comparative advantage is that it's updated much faster than other paper encyclopedias. Duja ► 11:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
P.S. There seems to be an uncertainty whether the names should be with -oo- or -u-. As far as I checked, the -u- ones are official so I moved them there and created missing redirects. Duja ► 12:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Today (November 1st, 2006), by Government of Karnataka, some of the cities of Karnataka are being renamed to their original form from the current anglicised forms like Bangalore to Bengalooru ( IBNLIVE article. More references and developments available in 2nd paragraph of Bangalore article).
Changes:
Now, what needs to be done in Wikipedia?
Based on the lines of Mumbai (redirected from Bombay), Chennai (redirected from Madras), Kolkata (redirected from Calcutta), we should be providing the redirects from current name to the new name, (eg: provide the redirect from Bangalore to Bengalooru). Then we will need to provde the sentence in introduction of each article, referring to the old name, like (( formerly ) ). This is exactly how it is done in other articles( Mumbai, Chennai, Kolkata).
Along with these redirects/moves, we will need to write a general paragraph applicable for these changes and should be put in a section of all these articles. I request Admins' help in this regard. - KNM Talk 16:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
*Strong Support - Since the movement has been made officially by the authorities and the government of Karnataka, we should be following the same strategy that has been applied for other such cities such as Kolkata, Chennai and Mumbai.
Gnanapiti 18:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Comment. Please read this article [10] which confirms that the Kannada name will also be used in English language(for those towns/cities whose names have been officially changed). So why the capitulation?. Its Bengaluru in English as well. Who is anyone to decide whether the name will catch on, gain popularity or change again over the decades. The name of Mumbai may change again too. Did that stop people from using it as the official name on wiki?. Lets get on with it and let us not allow doubting Thomases and prejudists to stop us from doing the right thing. Let us not forget that the its the dream of the common man with no access to computers and wikipedia which has been fulfilled. Where are there votes? This voting thing is bogus as it accounts for the affluent who dont care much and prefer English names anyway. Bangalore just does not belong to Bangaloreans but to the whole of Karnataka. Take a census with the 55 million people in Karnataka and you will see the right % of those want the change and those who dont. The whole idea of changing the name is to assert ourselves and our pride in Kannada. We dont need to prove whether the name will catch on or become popular. Dineshkannambadi 14:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Read this and this to ascertain the majority of Maharashtrians and their 'opposition' to Kannada. Mahawiki 16:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Comment Very clever arguements from user Xiaopo but at the end of the day, (be it tommorow or 45 days from) I think the only ones who are really going to stand against changing the name are those with some axe to grind. Why should Turin be an example for Bengaluru. Once again, an attempt to evaluate India and everything Indian from an european point of view. What America calls Turin is immaterial. I see a lot of vested arguements. 1.lets wait for 45 days 2.Let us see if becomes popular 3.Its not officially official yet 4.The naming convention has nothing to do with common man. 5.Bengaluru may not be its English version. Is'nt Mumbai English?
At the end of the day, wikipedia has to come around and follow main stream, no matter what happens in this vote. Dineshkannambadi 19:34, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Comment Firstly, it seems like nobody's sure whether the new name is Bengaluru or Bengalooru, or what have you. But more importantly, it looks like the change won't be "official" for at least a month:
Or from the Houston Chronicle:
Let's be careful not to jump the gun here. -- Xiaopo ( Talk) 19:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Strong support - The names are not only made official, but also the printed and electronic media have started using the name as Bengalooru, Belagavi, Mysooru etc. To be consistent with Mumbai, Chennai and Kolkata etc articles, we should certanly make the movements for all these cities' articles. Mr mahawiki, do not mention that marathi people will oppose the name change , It is only MES and people like you are opposing. The marathi speaking people in karnataka have clearly said that.. they want Belagavi to be part of Karnataka and in few days the representation from marathi unions is planning to meet the Maharastra CM to stop such unwanted instigation and allow them to live in karnataka as they are very much comfortable in Karnataka -- NAnuyAru 20:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Strong Support - There is no reason why the movement should be opposed, when the government has announced it on the Rajyotsava day (Nov 1st). 'Bangalore', 'Mysore', 'Belgaum', 'Shimoga' are all not the correct names of those cities anymore and having the article in those names will be against the fact, which is not we are supposed to do in wikipedia. Sritri 01:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Oppose for belgaum (because of sockpuppetry and 3RR gaming). Support for all others. Bakaman Bakatalk 02:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Comment How does one determine when a name has become common, especially for Shimoga, Belgaum, Mysore, Raichur, Hubli, Gulbarga etc which are really not internationally known. Are we saying it should become common within state media or Indian media or within International circles. These places are hardly known outside of tourist circles and how many people visit Belgaum, Raichur, Gulbarga anyway?. Is it enough that these places be gazetted with new names or should maps be drawn also?. Dineshkannambadi 02:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Comment I think this is a case of chicken and egg. Should the name become popular first with English speakers or the name be made popular to English speakers. Sumanth puts forward a good example of sound reasoning. Keep it up!!. Why would the English speakers of the world want to use a non-English if they did not have to. Its like saying, the English of the world have to recognise the Indian flag before India can be considered free!! They finally did when they had no choice!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dineshkannambadi ( talk • contribs) 05:38, 3 November, 2006 (UTC).
Comment Sorry I forgot to sign my last comment. Dineshkannambadi 14:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Pardon me if I sound ignorant.. but the place referred to in Attukal appears to be the same as Attingal. Can someone check? As far as I know, Attukal is the Tamil name for a kitchen implement used for grinding. The Silent Contributor 14:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Please see this This user has been harrasing and bothering and pushing his POV (escaping 3RR rule as well) Talk:Belgaum, Talk:Belgaum_border_dispute are few of his misdeeds. I request a strict action against Sarvagnya. What furthur steps should be taken? Mahawiki 19:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
It seems the S.I.E.S_High_School article is the target of someone's personal grudge. At least twice has it been vandalised - the person keeps changing the fees information to say that the school is expensive. I am an ex-student of the school and know that the fees are minimal. However that may have changed, but this user - who is known only by his/her IPs ( 83.219.101.152, 83.219.104.35) - keeps changing the fee information without providing any sort of reason or reference. I request the WikiProject India moderators/admins to look into this. I have posted this notice here, since the school article has been made part of the Indian WikiProject. For the moment I have reverted the vandalism, but something more permanent needs to be done. Thank you. Rohitbd 05:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Article needed on Pandharpuri Buffalo Please create a one with the help of following links
Mahawiki is thinking of departure of this bad-faith ridden, impolite, politics-infested, ungoverned world of English wikipedia.Mahawiki has been extremely unhappy at anti-Maharashtra face of wikipedia and pushing of opposition propoganda at sensitive articles like Belgaum border dispute. Kannada users have being using sockpuppets to seek concession of WP:3RR rule, build fake consensus and harrass opposing editors.They moved in groups and hijack the article keeping no option but to break the 3RR rule and get blocked or stay quiet and give in to their vandalism. User:KNM, User:Naveenbm, User:Sarvagnya(which is confirmed) and god know how many sockpuppets of them are the players! Added to that is ignorance and partisan attitude of so-called admins who extremely prejudiced who propogate injustice by defending the likes of users like User:Sarvagnya and his Kannada-emphatic troops.The mosy recent example of this is when User:Arya_Rajya_Maharashtra was blocked for its very likely being a sockpuppetmaster and Sarvagnya was spared even after he being sockupuppetmaster of User:Gnanapiti WAS CONFIRMED.
Mahawiki says :its time to take a graceful exit while my innocence and my point has been proved. Maharashtra or Marathi cannot be defamed by wikipedia and just because some nonsense is written here. Belgaum doesnt go to Karnataka just because Kannadis push their POV at belgaum_border_dispute. There's no point to stay here when shameless trolls roam unapologetically even after serious charge of sockpuppetry is being proven and incapable admins buy his claims of- we used same laptop!, he moved to other city!!. It has been proved umpteenth times that there is a way to make wikipedia work as u want.IF you dont know that you should not work in wikipedia. Seriously I havent understood how wikipedia system works and truth disperses...
Mahawiki signs off- Good-bye and happy trolling!! Mahawiki 06:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I ask for input and views on an idea I've had to improve productivity on WP:INCOTW and perhaps the wider WP:IND and other India-related wikiprojects. We're having some trouble attracting participants, especially from the growing numbers of new Indian and India-interested editors. While Ganeshk's outreach initiative is the best way to build a communication network, I have something a bit radical to suggest:
For INCOTW, we create a list of editors from WP:IND's member list and those interested in INCOTW (being careful not to pick newbies who are not acquainted with WP:IND and teamwork). Then using random draws, we compile a team(s) of 4-5 editors. These editors will be charged with producing 1 FA on a topic that they should decide between themselves. They will have 1 month to do this (1 week is impractical in growing an article, much less FA'ing it) - alternatively, they can have 2 weeks to write a GA - upto them. We can also run such a system collaterally with the regular nom-and-vote system.
The same idea of random draw can be used to select editors to work on specific jobs that need doing, like deletion sorting, maintaining Outreach, running INCOTW, doing the various jobs on Wikipedia:WikiProject India/to do. An editor who is picked is given the responsibility for 2 or 4 weeks (depending on the job). Editors on wikibreaks are not eligible for random selection and those selected may choose to decline the chance, whereupon someone else is selected.
We can also create a rewards list - barnstars, an "India editors hall of fame," etc. What thoughts? Rama's arrow 15:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Indian wikipedians, I think we should also become part of local categories like [[Category:New Delhi Wikipedians]] to collaborate more effectively and locally. I am now seeing the (positive) trend of more and more locally relevant articles are being added to wikipedia and (thankfully) such pages have started surviving 'non notability criteria', thus it becomes more important to be part of such categories which can enhance and maintain local information as well (I see city/town wise Viki (Wiki) Clubs emerging out of wikipedia and such effort will help there). This notice board is fine for topics spanning regions (e.g. 14'th Lok Sabha, Hindi Film Industry, Indian Railways etc) but not for state/city wise information, for such local data its better to use discusssion page of corresponding page (e.g. discussion page of Jhansi) and/or corresponding page(s) category (e.g. [[Category:Jhansi]]) and/or corresponding user category (e.g. [[Category:Jhansi Wikipedians]]) Regards, Vjdchauhan 06:27, 4 November 2006 (UTC).
I agree that making such "local user" categories would not serve any important use. HeBhagawan 02:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
ALL INDIANS AND HUMANS PL. APPEAL TO MR.TERRYJ-HO IN STRONGEST WORD FOR HIS SUCH COMMENTS ON TALK PAGE OF Dmcdevit. Swadhyayee 14:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
The practice of Sati continues till this day..mostly due to religious sanction TerryJ-Ho 11:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Mr.TerryJ-Ho, If, your above statement is intentional, you are doing the worst thing of tarnishing the image of our country. I do not know your back-ground. Hope you will appreciate that sentiments of any person get hurt when his/her nation/religion/societies come under false attack. How would you feel, if so done to you? India has a population of 120,00,00000. I have completed 56 years in this country and sufficiently informed about things going in this country. I have moved in villages regularly and live in Mumbai from birth. I have hardly heard of one or two instance of Sati during my life of 56 yrs. You can't help the people who wants to self immolate. We have rich & poor, educated and un-educated, modern and orthodox, good and bad all kind of people like any other country would have. Sati Pratha came in social practice because of Muslims invaded small kingdoms, killed or captured males, raped and made women folk their wives. Indians mostly were strict vegetarians. Muslims are non-veg. The women preferred death over being raped or marrying for the second time against Hindu culture and customs. The pride of woman-hood and un-civilised behaviour of Muslims are the route cause of this deprecative social system. Though people like me who borned later are also full of wounds of the root cause of Muslims behaviour. Pl. don't make fun of our pitiable social system which do not exist anymore from more than 5 decades. You shall make yourself and your society a shame for such remarks. Can you show me a single evidence that the system of Sati exist and the roots are our religion? Where did you get this information from? You are a shame Mr.TerryJ-Ho. God will not forgive you for such in-human behaviour. Swadhyayee 14:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
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ALL INDIANS AND HUMANS PL. APPEAL TO MR.TERRYJ-HO IN STRONGEST WORD FOR HIS SUCH COMMENTS ON TALK PAGE OF Dmcdevit. Swadhyayee 14:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
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An anon made this edit of accuracy I don't know. Could someone a) check that and b) clean/source the article better? I don't know enough about the topic to be at all helpful. JoshuaZ 21:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Here is a interesting stat. I created the following table from this page. Listed below are Top 20 projects with highest FAs. India came 3rd. -- Ganeshk ( talk) 22:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Project | FAs |
---|---|
Biography articles | 197 |
Military history articles | 140 |
India articles | 51 |
Australia articles | 33 |
Film articles | 32 |
Computer and video game articles | 32 |
Biography (musicians) articles | 31 |
Meteorology articles | 30 |
Biography (politics and government) articles | 29 |
Biography (arts and entertainment) articles | 28 |
Tropical cyclone articles | 28 |
Germany articles | 27 |
Football articles | 19 |
Biography (military) articles | 19 |
Rail transport articles | 19 |
Song articles | 18 |
Biography (royalty) articles | 18 |
Biography (core) articles | 17 |
Great work by our FA writers. This table should also be displayed at Wikiproject Council!! -- Lost (talk) 05:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I see duplication at Wikipedia:Notice board for India-related topics/It's new and Wikipedia:Notice board for India-related topics/New articles. Merge? -- Lost (talk) 08:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Does this organization meet Wikipedia's notability standards? The intial text for this article may have been based on material written as part of a campaign mounted by MyWikiBiz.com to upload paid articles to Wikipedia; see the discussion on the WikiProject Spam talk page. Other editors added links to various India-related news sites, but some discuss men's concerns without mentioning this organization. Other links mention the organization but I can't tell if they are to sufficiently notable and reliable news organizations to meet the reliable sources guideline. Since its original upload, multiple editors have worked on it, sometimes with strong feelings, pro and con, about this organization.
This article was the only thing its original editor, Newageindian, ever edited; his single purpose account has been flagged as a possible sockpuppet. Thanks, -- A. B. 18:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, there are two historical nonfree maps of India currently needing replacements: Image:SungaMap.jpg and Image:MauryanMap.jpg. I'm wondering if some of you talented mapmakers could get to replacing these. Thanks. howch e ng { chat} 22:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
If you are interested, please place your vote for the best among competing versions of a paragraph on the caste system in Hinduism. Vote at the bottom of the Hinduism discussion page here: [ [13]]. Thanks! HeBhagawan 13:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)==
There is a
Wikipedia-wide initiative to make the talk-templates smaller and reduce the clutter on talk pages. I have changed
Indian project banner to allow for a parameter, small=yes
. It will resize the template and move it to the right. You can see it working on
Talk:India. Let me know if you have any questions. --
Ganeshk (
talk) 06:09, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Do you know what BK and KH stand for in Kangrali (BK) and Kangrali (KH)? Thanks for the help. -- Ganeshk ( talk) 02:08, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Chezhiyan has made a great start with the November newsletter. We need more ideas and contributors. Please weigh in here. Lets roll out this issue ASAP!! -- Lost (talk) 06:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Can someone knowledgeable about the subject check the heap of original research at Mudiraju? -- Sundar \ talk \ contribs 10:33, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
is this info correct?-- D-Boy 09:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Putting Belgaum aside for the moment, all the places whose names were changed by the Government of Karnataka on 1 November have been moved to their new names, with the exception of Bangalore which has repeatedly been moved back to Bangalore. Don't we have to be consistent? If the other places were moved because the Karnataka Government's notification is what counts, surely that applies to Bangalore too? Or if Bangalore can't be moved because the new names haven't come into use as yet (as has been argued here), that, too, should apply across the board. I've not seen anyone try to argue for treating Bangalore as a special case, yet that's what we're doing in effect.
I also note that the debate above was closed by an admin with the result being "Move". I'm not a regular participant on :en, so I'm not very familiar with the procedures here - is it the rule here that such decisions are not binding? -- Arvind 10:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I've just attempted this edit. I need to get feedback regarding whether restoring Nichalp's original text is justified. The India article has sadly become cruft- and POV-laden. I fear that a successful FARCing of the article is not far off. Please do comment at Talk:India. Regards, Saravask 06:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
A photo on one of the articles on my watchlist, Image:McChicken India.jpg, has been marked for needing a freely-licensed replacement (it is a copyrighted promo photo). If anyone in India has a hankerin' for a McChicken in the near future, would you mind snapping a photo first? I would gladly owe that person a Wiki-favor. Cheers. youngamerican ( ahoy hoy) 13:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello all, I have made a proposal for Hindi Wikinews on Wikinews/Start a new edition. If you think, the launch of the project is worth doing, please support. Regards, Shyam ( T/ C) 17:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I'll direct everyone's attention to this WP:AN post and note that there are two actresses that share the single name Nargis, one from India and one from Pakistan. To facilitate disambiguation, I suggested that Nargis be renamed to Nargis (Indian Actress), Nargis (Actress) be renamed to Nargis (Pakistani Actress). The original Nargis should redirect to a disambiguation page, due to multiple persons with articles sharing this name. Torinir ( Ding my phone My support calls E-Support Options ) 23:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
(posted on WP:IND) This stub has been proposed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2006/November to sort out {{ India-bio-stub}}. STTW (talk) 21:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I just submitted Portal:Kerala for peer review at Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Peer_review (comments, please!). The articles listed there don't seem to receive much feedback. What's happening? Everyone too busy?-- thunderboltz (Deepu) 13:29, 17 November 2006 (UTC)