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You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2018_July_17#File:Washington_Redskins_uniforms.png. Ronhjones (Talk) 00:19, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Croatia national football team#Non-free use of File:Croatia national football team crest.svg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:09, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
Based on this discussion I would ask whether the community would agree with me that a book cover from a book series, specifically the cover from the first book in the series, can be used not only on the article about that book, but on the article about the series as well. I think this is logical enough to meet the criteria of non-free image use. Debresser ( talk) 16:34, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
I was just browsing though some of my older contributions and noticed that I had added a musical incipit (four bars) to the Adélaïde Concerto. While the work was first published in 1933 and is therefore probably still under copyright in the USA (I am not sure if the false attribution to Mozart in that first publication changes this in any way), this is a very small snippet and should be acceptable as fair use for identification. But since it's a score snippet in LilyPond, it doesn't have a file page, and there's nowhere to put the non-free use rationale template. What should I do about this? Double sharp ( talk) 15:54, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Not sure if eight non-free images are needed in International media reaction to the United States presidential election, 2008. Although the papers/publications they represent are mentioned by name in the article, none of the particular images being used are themselves really the subject of any critical commentary. Moreover, the way they are placed in certain sections might imply a bit of WP:OR since they seem to be being interpreted by the uploader as opposed to being interpreted by reliable sources. If there's one representative image which can be used and supported by critical commentary about it then maybe that could be justified, but not really seeing it. FWIW, I'm just posting here to get a sense of how some others might feel about this type of use to decide whether it's worth discussing at FFD. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:22, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
i would like some other opinions on the non-free use of various logos in Mazada#Marques. Some of the logos, like File:Mazda1.svg, might actually not need to be treated as non-free, whereas others like File:Autozam logo.gif might have been licensed incorrectly under a free license. The table of former logos does not really seem to an acceptable exception to WP:NFTABLES; there's a brief description provided for each logo, but nothing supported by any citations to reliable sources per WP:NFC#cite_note-4. The main infobox was being used in the table, but I removed it per WP:NFCC#3a and WP:NFCC#10c. Out of the five remaining logos, four are licensed as non-free and are only being used in this article; so, removing them will orphan them. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 04:50, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
· · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:51, 1 September 2018 (UTC) (please ping with reply)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 September 6#File:Not Half A Human 2018.webm. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 22:40, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
There are 70 non-free album covers being used in this article, and most of them appear to have been uploaded specifically for this particular article. Non-free use rationales are provided and I believe the uploads were made in good faith, but I don't see how any of these (except possibly the two infobox files) can be justified per WP:JUSTONE, WP:NFLISTS, WP:NFCC#8 or WP:NFC#cite_note-3. This would be quite a big FFD discussion that might need to be broken down in multiple discussions, or someone could just be bold and remove this (which might lead to them just being re-added). I'm going to post something on the uploader's user talk inviting them to discuss things here, but I would also appreciate some input from editors experienced in working with non-free files. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:38, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2018_September_11#File:Vignelli_1972.jpg2008.jpg. Ronhjones (Talk) 17:12, 12 September 2018 (UTC) Ronhjones (Talk) 17:12, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
WP:NFCC#4 requires that non-free content be previously published. Assuming that "published" in this context takes the same meaning as
WP:PUBLISHED, then it seems that being available online is not required. If there's alot of detail provided about the source to make it possible for someone to track down, then maybe this is not an issue; for example, someone scans an image from a book/magazine, but lists all the pertinent information about it in |source=
to make some sort of verification possible. How are other cases handled though when the uploader just gives boilerplate source information or basically list themselves as the source?
The particular example I'm thinking of is File:Annie Walker.jpg. It's not really being claimed as "own work" per se, but there's also nothing detailed provided about the source of the image. The uploader states the image was "personally acquired", but that's all. It's licensed as a screenshot, but there's no real way to know where it came from. I'm assuming it's from a Coronation Street episode, but have no way of knowing which one. Is simply giving ITV Granada as the author enough for NFCC purposes?
Another example is File:St Paul's Auckland Logo.svg. This one is being claimed as "own work" by the uploader per the non-free use rationale and Talk:St Paul's Church, Auckland#Images. The logo appears to be being used by the church on its Twitter page and also is being used with different coloring on its official website, but there's nothing to verify it was created by the uploader other than what he himself has posted. This file probably is too simple for {{ Non-free logo}} and is really {{ PD-logo}} instead, but I'm not sure that resolves the source/authorship issue.
So, I'm interested in learning what other think about files such as these. — Marchjuly ( talk) 23:16, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
WP:NFCI is poorly written as it gives no indication of how long to wait after the death of a (notable) deceased person before uploading a non-free photo. Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard offers the option to upload a non-free photo with the following guideline:
"This is an historic portrait of a person no longer alive. This is an historic photograph or other depiction of a person who is no longer alive. It will be used as the primary means of visual identification of that person in the article about them."
This is just setting editors up for a fall. A good-faith upload of a recently deceased person with a valid Fair User Rationale will simply be deleted, as apparently there is a some sort of unwritten moratorium on non-free images after death, just in case a free image can be found. This is needlessly frustrating for editors who follow the rules, and very discouraging to newbies. It would be helpful for all editors if a time period were defined. 6 months? 1 year? 10 years? Cnbrb ( talk) 13:16, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
10. Pictures of deceased persons, in articles about that person, provided that ever obtaining a free close substitute is not reasonably likely. In the case of people who have recently died, a reasonable period beyond the date of death should be allowed, normally 6 months, to allow for a free image of the subject to be found. Note that if the image is from a press or photo agency (e.g., AP, Corbis or Getty Images) and is not itself the subject of critical commentary it is assumed automatically to fail "respect for commercial opportunity".
Should WP:NFCI specify a waiting period before uploading non-free photos of deceased persons? Cnbrb ( talk) 18:41, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
10. Pictures of deceased persons, in articles about that person, provided that ever obtaining a free close substitute is not reasonably likely. In the case of people who have recently died, a reasonable period beyond the date of death should be allowed, normally 6 months, to give editors time to find a free image of the subject. Note that if the image is from a press or photo agency (e.g., AP, Corbis or Getty Images) and is not itself the subject of critical commentary it is assumed automatically to fail "respect for commercial opportunity".
When official copyrighted content cannot be added to Wikipedia, is {{ external media}} an permissible alternative, per the "When to use" section on the template page, point #2: "cannot be uploaded to Wikipedia, even under fair-use rules"? – Batreeq ( Talk) ( Contribs) 01:56, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm wondering whether the wording and use of {{ Non-free architectural work}} needs to be reassed when the template is used for no longer existing buildings or other structures. For example, File:Blair Building.jpg was demolished in 1955, so obviously nobody can just go a take a current photo of it. There might be a free equivalent floating around somewhere online which makes a non-free unnecessary since the building was completed in 1903, but that's sort of a different issue. Anyway, the wording of "Non-free architectural work" seems to be mainly regarding buildings currently under construction but not yet completed, and not really for buildings which have been demolished. So, I'm wondering if it might be better to use {{ Non-free historic image}} for files such as this like File:AmmenManzil Hyderabad.jpg and File:Arial photo of Grand Canyon University (formerly Grand Canyon College) 1951.jpg (old aerial shot of the university campus whose non-free use probably fails NFCC#8).
The same can be said of rendering photos or other images of buildings whose construction was planned, but now have free images used for them or whose construction was ultimately never realized; for example, files like File:1101 panorama tower render medium for wiki fair use.jpg (free images exist for identification purposes), File:AMP Centre redevelopment render.jpg (a redesign, but free images of the existing structure exist), File:Balaton-Ring.jpg (cancelled mid-construction), File:Amakhosi-Stadium.png (apparently redesigned and construction indefinitely stalled; no idea which version of the design this represents), File:ASU Aiki Shrine.jpg (completed not sure how this meets NFCC#1), File:Australia 108 design.jpg (previous design rendering which was cancelled and then superseded by File:Australia 108 proposal 3.jpg) and File:Adolf Loos's Dvořák mausoleum.jpg (construction never started). While it might be acceptable to keep these non-free images for other reasons, it seems like a different license should be used instead. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:31, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
I was trying to use the NFCC content wizard to upload a photo of Ali Irsan ( this shot from the Texas Department of Criminal Justice), but the wizard only shows the option for the deceased. While Irsan is still alive, he is incarcerated and it's unlikely a free photo will appear. WhisperToMe ( talk) 00:49, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
A dispute has arisen on which logo is the appropriate one to use for Great Britain Olympic football team. The football teams use their own distinct variant of the branding of the British Olympic Association. However, one user keeps imposing the general BOA branding and adding a fair use rationale to the file without demonstrating its validity. I feel this falls afoul of WP:NFC#UUI#17. However the other user is unwilling to consider any other stance than their own. This ended up at WP:ANEW who referred us here. Any thoughts? T v x1 14:35, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Could someone please advise whether having two logos of a copyrighted newspaper banner is acceptable. The case in point is in this infobox. Thanks SchroCat ( talk) 22:14, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
I recently uploaded a non-free image for the first time - a book cover - so came here looking for an answer to the question, "How big should a non-free image be?"
This page says, "There is no firm guideline on allowable resolutions for non-free content; images should be rescaled as small as possible to still be useful as identified by their rationale, and no larger". It then goes into several paragraphs of related musing, including mentioning that "at the low pixel count end of the range", 0.1 megapixels meets "most common pictoral needs" but gives no indication that that's expected to be followed unless there is a specific exception.
I had no strong preference, but felt this image worked better just a little larger; so made and uploaded a 0.16 megapixel version. I then got a message from User:RonBot saying, "I have found that the subject image that you recently uploaded was more than 5% in excess of the Non-free content guideline size of 100,000 pixels", and another bot automatically resized it down. As the resulting image is inevitably lower-quality than if I'd just used that size in the first place, I ended up going back and make a new 0.1 megapixel version from the original and uploading that as a replacement.
I've no objection to a size guideline, or to bots resizing oversized images, and I know I could have tagged it as an exception if it clearly was one. My issue is that we have a guideline page saying "There is no firm guideline" for pixel count; and a bot that enforces the guideline we say we don't have. This seems needlessly unhelpful, and wastes users' time.
Perhaps this could be rephrased at least to something like "the usual guideline is" if that's how bots are going to treat it? TSP ( talk) 15:34, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 November 23#File:Dril.jpg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:31, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Someone just uploaded a new version of
File:TCM logo 2009.svg and it made me curious about a few things. The original file name seems to imply that it was the logo used circa 2009, and
the source cited for that version also comes from 2009–2010. This new version, however, is not found in the original source and it's not clear how recent it is or where it came from. It looks like the logo shown
here just with a different color scheme; so, I guess it's the most recent logo. Is all that is needed is for the |source=
paramter in the non-free use rationale to be updated or does the file also need to be renamed (since the 2009 no longer seems applicable)?
Another question I have has to do with the file type of the new version. The original was uploaded as an svg, but the new version seems to be a png. I say seems to be because when I try to download it, the file is being named as "File:TCM logo 2009.svg.png". I'm not sure if that is just my computer doing that or if the new version is actually a png file. Again, I'm wondering if this means the file name needs to be changed accordingly or whether it would've been best to upload this as a completely new file altogether.
The older version of the file is now an orphan as is going to be deleted per WP:F5. However, I don't think the file's name will automatically be changed to reflect the new version being a png or not being from 2009; so, I'm curious as to whether this file also should be tagged with {{ Rename media}}. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 04:44, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 December 4#File:Dril.jpg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:09, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
I came across File:PSJS Jaksel.jpg tagged for speedy deletion per WP:G5. The file apparently was uploaded by a sock of a banned /blocked user. I understand that edits made per WP:EVADE are often reverted in principle, but in this case the file otherwise seems NFCCP compliant (except for a potential source problem). The are some other files uploaded by the same sock which have also been tagged for speedy deletion, which also seem OK. So, I'm just curious as to what is typically done with files such as this. I guess that keeping the files would somehow recognize or give credit to the uploader, but at the same time the files seem to be fine per the NFCC and probably wouldn't be deleted based upon it. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 22:14, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
otherwise seems NFCCP compliant (except for a potential source problem), which is something that is often a simple fix. I'm just curious though as to what you mean by "take responsibility" since the file's page history will always show the sock as the original uploader, won't it? — Marchjuly ( talk) 23:25, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 December 25#Non-free Dad's Army character images. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 13:35, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Non-free images in portals. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 14:20, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
I have had some files nominated for deletion at c:Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Sturm Cigarette Company. I'm fairly sure one of them can pass the fair use criteria. Is there any semi-automated way to transfer a file and its metadata? HLHJ ( talk) 23:53, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
WP:COPYLINK, WP:YOUTUBE and WP:ELNEVER state that links to external links hosting (obvious) copyright violations shouldn't be added to any Wikipedia pages, which would include file pages; however, links to questionable sources are often provided by those uploading non-free files. Video sites such as YouTube are often given as the source of movie/TV screenshots even though they my guess is the majority of them don't come from YouTube channels which are official channels of the copyright creators. I've been wondering about this for a file for things like newscast openings, movie screenshots which are sourced to video sites like YouTube, etc. as well as team/coprporate logos, etc. which are sourced to websites such as like Logopedia, Sportslogos.net, etc.
Ideally it seems like it would be best to use an official source whenever possible, but it might be hard to do so in some cases. For example, the source for File:Wpbf dt2 2008.png seems to be an official one; so that probably is not an issue per COPYLINK; there might be other NFCC issues besides WP:NFCC#10a but the source at least seems official. What about a file like File:Actor Frank McGlynn Sr as Abraham Lincoln in 1939 film.jpg? The file comes from a film that someone uploaded to YouTube. It's possible I guess that the uploader does own the copyright on the short, but most likely that is not the case. So, it seems that linking to the YouTube channel would not really be allowed per COPYLINK. Perhaps the non-free rationale could be tweaked to change the source to the actual film, but the reasoning that the "Screenshot from video copy of film available for free public viewing on YouTube." seems incorrect in many ways since being "freely viewable on YouTube" doesn't mean "public domain" or "copyright free" at all. How are source links like this generally handled? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 04:41, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
This file was previously discussed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2017 July 11#File:Big Brother 16 (U.S.) Logo.png. The FFD was WP:NAC as "no consensus" which I've never really understood. Since I still have the file on my watchlist, I wonder about this everytime an new rationale is added for its use. When the file was originally discussed, it was being used in four articles (the parent article and three season articles), but it's be added to a few more season articles since then. So, the "no consensus" close seems to have created a situation when non-free use is now considered default justifible for each new season article which is created, which seems contrary to WP:NFCC#3, items 14 and 17 of WP:NFC#UUI and even MOS:TVIMAGE.{pb}}Would it be better to try and get the original close re-assessed per WP:CLOSECHALLENGE or better to simply start a new FFD for the file? There's really no template for FFD which works like {{ AfDx}} for files previously discussed at FFD: this is probably because a deleted file usually ended up discussed via WP:DRV instead of back at FFD prior to FFD's incorportion of WP:NFCR and WP:PUF. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:01, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm not terribly familiar with the non-free status of historic photos. Could someone let me know whether File:Henry Marks.png is ok? The source ( Pacific Islands Monthly) was scanned and is freely available on Trove. If it is ok, there are photos of several other notable Pacific Island people that I'd like to take from it, such as Daimon (Head Chief). Cheers, Number 5 7 22:39, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
I received a notice on 31 Jan about an oversized non-free image, and the image was tagged at the same time. However, I didn't see an update to the image, so have manually updated the image today. Of course, this means that the larger image is still available as the previous revision. Is there a reason a bot didn't resize this? — cBuckley ( Talk • Contribs) 14:56, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
If anyone wants to straight-up junk File:Octavia-Blvd-San-Francisco.png right now, rather than wait 7 days for the bot to do it, that's fine by me. SilverbackNet talk 19:38, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure whether WP:NFCC#4 and WP:NFCC#10a are being met by File:San Francisco Police Department Reserve Officer (badge).jpg. First of all, this file might not need to even be non-free content based upon File:CA - San Francisco Police.png, but if it does then I don't think trying to use a Wikipedia editor as a source complies with the WP:NFCCP. Even if this was considered a derivative of the Commons file and eligible for its own copyright, it couldn't be kept per WP:FREER because someone could create the same file and release it under a free license. right? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:26, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2019 February 16#File:Robert Goldston01.jpg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:36, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at WP:MCQ#File:Katharina Lindner.jpg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:45, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at WP:MCQ#Answering machine, voicemail, etc. copyrights. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:26, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
I came across File:Kalyanji Anandji.jpg checking on some NFCC#9 flagged files. This is a photo of two brothers being used in the main infobox of Kalyanji–Anandji. One of the brothers Kalyanji Virji Shah is dead so a cropped non-free image can probably be used in the main infobox of the article written about him; the other brother Anandji Virji Shah is still living and there's Commons image being used for primary identification in that article. The question I have is whether a non-free photo of the two together can be justified in the article about them as a unit/team. They's not particularly notable for their appearance, but maybe this would be like a non-free photo of a band which shows the original lineup including members which have since died. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:30, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
There's a discussion ongoing at c:COM:VPC#Category:Coins of the Philippines which might be of interest to those who work with non-free files. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:46, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
There are quite a number of non-free pictures of toy cars which have been uploaded for use in Tomica being discussed at WP:MCQ#File:Tomica Dandy.jpg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:18, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Wondering what some others think about the non-free use in Vebjørn Sand. There are currently ten non-free files which may be alot depending upon which side of the fence you fall upon when in comes to non-free use in BLPs about visual artists. I can't see any real reason for the main infobox image to be non-free, especially since the artist is still alive and the non-free image being used has pretty much zero encyclopedic value for primary indentification purposes. Same goes for the last image at the end of the article which is a non-free image showing the artist painting in Anartica. The other files of the actual works of art might be OK as representative examples, but I'm not sure so many are needed. Some of the photos of outdoor works might not even need to be non-free depending upon the WP:FOP; Norway's FOP seems to be mainly for buildings, but not sure if how images in Antartica are dealt with.
Anyway, all of the files were uploaded by the same person who seems to have gotten them directly from the artist himself; that might indicate a COI, but I'm not sure how that affects non-free use. However, if artist has been in contact with the uploader, then perhaps the artist will uploaded a better image under a free license for the main infobox or perhaps release one or two for use in the file. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:56, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Is there a possible way to stop non-free images from being added to this template page? Perhaps there an edit notice of something which can be added to the top the edit window like has been done with respect to some flag list articles (see Template:Editnotices/Page/Flags of cities of the United States)? It's not the end of the world when a non-free logo is added to this template, but it seems to be being done by people not aware of WP:NFCC#9 who might not do so if they knew. Perhaps such a page notice could be created and worded in such a way so that it could be added to all template edit pages by default. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:16, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at WT:TM#Uw-nonfree wording (repost). -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:00, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
I've recently come across an IP making quite a number of requests at WP:GL/I of various non-free logos, seals, flags, etc. to be converted to svg format. The IP turned out to be a block evading sock, but it's editing went unnoticed for quite a bit of time an there were some files actually converted to svg, which in turn led to the replaced files being deleted per WP:F5. I've got no doubt the editors working at GL helping clean up files are doing what they think is best, but I wonder how many of them are familiar what is written about svgs in FREER. It's not only editors working at GL, but also editors working on their own converting various non-free files to svgs.
c:COM:SVG#Copyright says there's no clear consensus as to whether svg conversion generates a new copyright by creating a derivative work, and FREER says that only official vector versions provided by the original copyright holder should be used for non-free files. Yet, templates like {{ Should be svg}}, etc. make no mention of any of these things and seem to imply that svg files are preferrable in all cases. So, there are files like File:Fédération Française de Football logo.png, File:AndorraFootballFederationlogo2014.png and File:Bulgaria football union.png, etc. ending up delated due to the creation of File:French Football Federation logo.svg, File:Bulgarian Football Union logo.svg and File:Andorran Football Federation logo.svg, etc. when there really doesn't seem to have been a need for an svg for encyclopedic reasons and in which the svg bascially seems to be a user-created vector version instead of an official vector version, often citing the same source as the deleted file. The svgs seem to be being created just for the sake of doing so, regardless of whether the original non-svg files are still perfectly usable for Wikipedia's purposes.
If this type of thing is not really a problem, then perhaps FREER should be tweaked accordingly to reflect this consensus. On the other hand, if converting non-free files to svg is potentially a problem, then perhaps the relevant templates and places like the GL should be made aware of the issue as way to try and prevent any files which shouldn't really be converted to svg from actually being converted (even in good faith). -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:38, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
"The point of a mechanical transformation is that if two different people do it, they get the exact same result."Ah - but the point is that they don't. I've seen no end of bad, lossy rescales of bitmaps and shitty format conversions - I've also seen excellent ones and a whole range inbetween. The transformation is done by software, sure, but there are many software packages and many different algorithms and the skill and judgement of the person performing the transformation is to choose the best of these variables each time. They don't - so the results are not the same. Sure, I could teach someone how to use software to get a result very close to the result I would get, but I could also teach them to use software to generate SVG code in the same way that I do. My results in either case may be better or worse than any given alternative, but not identical. The "human readable" element is a red herring. Show 100 random people the SVG code for an image - 5 or 10 might know what it is - probably one or two will know how to read it to create an image - which they will generally do with software, not "in their head" or manually (very simple SVGs are an exception, but as you point out they are below TOO anyway.). The same is largely true of the hex code comprising a bitmap. I have no real idea why xml code would be any more likely to automatically create a new copyright than hexadecimal code would. -- Begoon 08:22, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
The problem you describe of information being 'lost' when a source file is deleted as an orphan is real (it's not actually gone - but only admins can see it). Perhaps we should keep the old file description pages as an audit-trail, with all the image revisions rev-deleted as old ones currently are (maybe that would necessitate having a 1px blank placeholder, as I'm not sure image pages can exist with no file revisions present) - or perhaps it should be part of the procedure when deleting such an orphan to copy the audit trail to the 'new' image (or ensure that it has been.) -- Begoon 05:22, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
I asked about this file at MCQ back in February, but it got archived at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions/Archive/2019/February#File:Katharina Lindner.jpg without a response. The issue is bacsically the same as I mentioned at MCQ. Lindner died on February 9 and the non-free image was uploaded a little less than a week later. NFCCP does allow non-free images of deceased persons to be used (item 10 of WP:NFCI) as long as WP:FREER is not an issue. I was able to find an official YouTube video in which Linder is being inducted into the Hartford Hawks Hall of Fame. I can't seem to find anything about the licensing of the video, but am wondering whether it can be used to capture a free equivalent screenshot. I going to assume that YouTube's standard licensing wouldn't allow this, but I can't figure out how this particular video might be licensed. Anyway, someone posted something on another talk page about something else recently that reminded me of this file; so, I thought I'd try asking here this time around. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:03, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
This is another file I asked about at MCQ, but that also got archived ( Wikipedia:Media copyright questions/Archive/2019/February#File:Anne O'Brien in 1980.jpeg) without a response. This file was transfered to English Wikipedia from Italian Wikipedia ( it:File:Anne O'Brien nel 1980.jpeg). The source file appears to be licensed as PD, but also tagged that it shouldn't be moved to Commons. If this means the file is not PD in the US for some reason, then I don't think English Wikipedia can treat it as such; this means the file would most likely need to be relicensed as {{ Non-free biog-pic}} and a non-free use rationale ({{ Non-free use rationale biog}}) be added for each use if there are not other problems like WP:NFCC#1, WP:NFCC#4 or WP:NFCC#10a, etc. The problem is the file is being used in two article and the use in the 2016 in Ireland article is almost certainly not going to be allowed per WP:NFCCP; so, the file would have to be removed from that article. This all depends of course on whether the file really is not PD; if it is PD, then I can't think of a reason why it cannot be moved to Commons if it's PD in both the US and its country of origin. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 08:37, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Since one shouldn't use too many non-free images outside the infobox, would it help that if an article has multiple infoboxes images can be put in them? -- Kailash29792 (talk) 16:03, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
WP:NFCC#4 requires that non-free content be previously published and that WP:NFCC#10a requires that information about the original source, etc. be provided, and these the two criteria are sort of related in that generally the source of a non-free file can show not only that it's been previously published, but can also provide information about the who created the image, when it was created, etc. These two criteria, however, also seem to be a bit of gray area where their can be lots of room for interpretation.
For example, WP:NFC#Meeting the previous publication criterion seems to imply that the main concern is whether content has been "leaked" (implying some kind of wrongdoing has taken place) which seems to be different than how "published" is defined in WP:PD#Publication and Publication#Legal definition and copyright, which seems to focus more on whether multiple tangible copies have been released at made available to the pubic at large. Maybe the both definitions are saying the same thing and just are emphasing different aspects, but I recently was part of a discussion where the primary argument that a photo had been previously published was that it wasn't leaked and was probably provided by the subject of the photo to an organization for use in their archives.
As for sourcing, I've always assumed that official sources should be used whenever possible for non-free content. So, an official company website should be used as the source for the company's logo or a sports team's official website should be used as the source for a team's logo. WP:NFC#Sourcing, however, seems imply that a source more optional than required and providing information about the original source is recommended to help verify things like previous publication. That section the guideline even states that Lacking a source is not grounds for media removal, ... even though WP:F4 does list not having a source as a valid reason to speedy delete a non-free file. Many non-free files are uploaded with sources (i.e. links to a source). When one of the non-free use rationale templates are used and the "source" parameter is left empty, the template will generally add some boilerplate text such as "The logo maybe obtained from XXXX" or "The logo is copyright be XXXX". Maybe this is sufficient for some files where it wouldn't be too hard to track down the source through a little digging, but I wonder if this boilerplate text is sufficient for NFCC purposes. There are also case where a link is provided, but it is not to a website under the control of the original copyright holder. A company or team logo may be sourced to a Wikia site or something like Logopedia or Sportslogo.net, cover art maybe sourced to a site like Discogs, iTunes or Amazon, a movie poster may be sourced to IMDb, etc. Are these kinds of sources acceptable for NFCC purposes?
There are also occasionally non-free files where the uploader is claiming to be the copyright holder. and states they don't want to freely license the file such as is being done with File:102.3 The Coyote, WYOT, Official Logo, March 2015.png. A claim of "own work" for a freely licensed file often requires OTRS verification, but I'm not sure what is done about verifying copyright ownership claims of "own work" for a non-free file. A non-free file doesn't really require permission of the copyright holder, but it does require publication. Would such files be considered a type of fan art?
Finally, I'm not sure how the NFCC deals with non-free files which contain elements of other non-free files. I'm not necessarily talking about a user-created montages of distinct individual non-free files, but more about a non-free file which may include non-free and free elements and may also be partially user created. A source is provided, but the actual file cannot be found at the source because the file might not actually be an official file per se. For example, a team logo like File:Baltimore Ravens logo.svg or File:Jacksonville Sharks.png can be found online on an official team website, but then someone takes that logo and adds it to another image like File:AFCN-Uniform-BAL.PNG or File:Jacksonville Sharks Helmet Logo.png to create a new file. The uniform file or helmet file might actually represent the actual uniform or helmet used by the team, but it's not clear whether the file is actually one provided by the team itself. Can someone take copyart or a template like c:Category:American football uniform helmets or c:Category:American football uniform template, or something from an external website like this or this, tweak the coloring to reflect the team's colors (perhaps using actual official team photos for reference) and then add the copyrighted logos to create a new non-free file? This seems to be a bit questionable in my opinion both encyclopedically and non-free content policy wise, but perhaps it's something which is generally allowed. What about a file like File:Summit County Rumble Helmet Logo.png? It seems way too simple to be non-free per c:COM:TOO United States since the number "21" is just non-copyrightable text and the helmet design might be considered ultilitarian per c:COM:CSM#Utility objects; so, if the only reason it's licensed as non-free is because it was user-created or it was taken from an external wesbite, then that would seem to fail WP:FREER since someone could create a free equivalent providing the same information. FWIW, I've looked for the file on the source listed in it's rationale, but couldn't find it. The team was mentioned by name, but I couldn't find the actual file.-- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:29, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at WT:FOOTY#Bhutan national football team. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 11:50, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
The
"In general" subsection has multiple references to the year 1923. From what I understand, in 2019, these references are outdated. It would seem useful to replace the 1923 references with {{Not-PD-US-expired-min-year}}
(which is used in the {{
PD-US}} template) or with a reference to "[published] more than 95 years ago." --
Elegie (
talk) 07:45, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
I've asked about this before at Wikipedia talk:Template messages/User talk namespace/Archive 16#Uw-nonfree wording and at WT:TM#Uw-nonfree wording (repost), but only have gotten one response. I think it might be a good idea to at least tweak the first sentence of this template since lots of non-free use has to do with people adding already uploaded files, not just uploading new files. The current wording is
Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. We always appreciate when users upload files. However, it appears that one or more of the files you have uploaded or added to a page may fail our non-free policy. Most often, this involves editors uploading or using a copyrighted file of a living person. For other possible reasons, please read up on our Non-free criteria. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
but I think that something such as
Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. We always appreciate when users upload new files or add existing files to pages. However, it appears that one or more of the files you have uploaded or added to a page may fail our non-free policy. Most often, this involves editors uploading or using a copyrighted file of a living person. For other possible reasons, please read up on our Non-free criteria. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
might be a bit better.
Anyone have any opinions on this change in wording. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
or"non-free content" is content considered to be protected by copyright which is not released under a free license which Wikipedia accepts or within the public domain as defined in Wikipedia:Image use policy#Free licenses and Wikipedia:Image use policy#Public domain
would suffice. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 04:56, 20 June 2019 (UTC)"non-free content" is content considered to be protected by copyright as defined in Wikipedia:Non-free content
Cleaning up the language in policies, templates and guidelines would almost certainly help, but I think the nature of the beast is that people will always occasionally say fair-use when they mean non-free (and vice-versa). Most people do not understand the distinction - or even that there is one. -- Begoon 05:30, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Am I misunderstanding what's written here?
With regard to WP:NFCC#1, WP:FREER says "Could the subject be adequately conveyed by properly sourced text without using the non-free content at all? If the answer […] is yes, the non-free content probably does not meet this criterion." So, if everything written about the subject can be understood with the provided prose, then no NFC is needed, right? However, with regard to WP:NFCC#8, WP:NFC#CS says the criterion is met if only by "including such non-free content, can the reader identify an object, style, or behavior, that is a subject of discussion in the article." So, if the reader could not identify the subject on the street by virtue of the prose's description alone, then NFC is allowed, right?
For what it's worth, I'm inquiring because I don't understand the objections raised at this ongoing discussion. — fourthords | =Λ= | 15:23, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
the nuance [is] that generally we want at least some illustration of unique named items even if these are not visually unique.If this is the case, that we always want articles about unique things to have illustration (NFC, if necessary), is that something we could codify in the NFCC? Because as it sits now, the article George (dog) doesn't need NFC to understand it, and so File:George dog.jpg fails WP:NFCC#8. — fourthords | =Λ= | 17:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
A notable topic means there's critical commentary about the topic (for NFCC#8 to be met)But #8 doesn't mention "critical commentary" at all; its threshold is "significantly increas[ing] readers' understanding of the article topic". In this instance (as an example) then, how does the NFC significantly assist in understanding what's written at George (dog)? — fourthords | =Λ= | 17:21, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
allow[ing] for a non-replacable non-free image of a unique notable subject, then can it be explicitly enumerated at WP:NFCC?
As they're read now, the "long-standing" consensus and discussions about learning styles and whatnot have to be (presumably) found in this page's archives or editors repeatedly asking anew, and editors will continue to not realize these implied exceptions/allowances. Given your explanation here that such is so, might I be so bold and update the NFCC myself? — fourthords | =Λ= | 19:11, 15 July 2019 (UTC)8. Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. Illustrative NFC for unique notable subjects meets this criterion iff all other NFCC are met.
the use of identifying images like this is well-documented [at WP:NFCThe problem is that WP:NFC is subordinate to the NFCC, which prompts me to say that the "significantly increas[ing] readers' understanding of the article topic" absolutely must be met before the NFC examples even come into play. Am I making sense? — fourthords | =Λ= | 16:53, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Given the preexisting consensus to its implementation, does anybody specifically object to amending WP:NFCC#8 to read,
8. Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. Illustrative NFC for unique notable subjects meets this criterion iff all other NFCC are met.
— fourthords | =Λ= | 16:41, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
That's why we have NFC (the guideline) that points out certain exceptions or other interpretationsHow can the guideline exempt anything from the NFCC when the guideline itself says "the use of such media must still comply with the Non-free content criteria"? If the examples at NFC are exemptions to the NFCC, then they do not—by definition of the word exemption—need to comply with the NFCC; yet the page says they do. Should I instead be arguing that WP:NFCCEG say:
…or similar? — fourthords | =Λ= | 21:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)The following cases are a non-exhaustive list of established examples of acceptable use of non-free media on Wikipedia. While exempt from exacting interpretations of WP:NFCC#8, the use of such media must still comply with the other Non-free content criteria and provide rationales and licensing information.
the old discussions in the RfCs linked at the end of reference 1as opposed to simply and clearly stated? Heck, that's what a guideline is, a "set of best practices that are supported by the consensus of Wikipedia editors." — fourthords | =Λ= | 19:48, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Item 10 of WP:NFCI states that it's generally acceptable to use non-free images of deceased persons when the purpose is for primary identification and there's no problem per WP:FREER. Mostly, this seems to be deemed OK with the image is used at the top of or in the main infobox of a stand-alone article about the person in question, and not really OK for other types of non-free uses. Articles about serial killers or other criminals (e.g Faryion Wardrip and John Wayne Gacy) often have subsections about their victims, and in many cases these subsections contain a non-free image of the victim. I've previously brought this kind of thing up for discussion before at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content/Archive 68#Non-free photos of crime victims and it has also been discussed at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content/Archive 64#Images of victims and/or perps on crime pages as well as as a part of Wikipedia talk:Non-free content/Archive 55#RFC: Clarifying policy on pictures of deceased persons. The question is whether these subsections about victims actually require a image for primary indentification purposes as would be allowed in a stand-alone articles about the victims or whether the stricter interpretation of WP:NFCC#8 per WP:NFC#CS typically applied to non-free use within the bodies of articles should applied instead. I can understand the desire to put a face to the victoms of these crimes, but I wondering how close doing so might be to WP:NOTMEMORIAL. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:58, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2019 July 29#File:Old Town Road Diplo and RM remix.png. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:20, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Is there a preferred file type for logos? WP:IUP#Format mentions svg and png, but there's nothing about jpg when it comes to logos. I'm not sure if there's anything wrong with File:DBB emblem.png for other NFCCP reasons, but it seems fine for the most part per WP:NFCC#3b; so, it's unclear why it needs to be replaced by File:German Basketball Federation logo.jpg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:52, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
File:Roger Broders02.jpg, for example, is a non free image. Its creator, Roger Broders, died in 1953, so its copyright will expire on 1 January 2024. We have no way to programmatically find such images on the date when they become free. If we add a parameter to store the date (or year) to {{ Non-free use rationale}}, then we can apply a category, and each January 1 someone (or a bot) can empty the category by moving images to Commons. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:26, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
could someone please point me out to the correct way of moving a (potentially non-free) file from commons to en.wikipedia, ideally under the same name and keeping the history, etc.? I have requested a temporary 2-day undelete at commons, and the current entry File:Mongolian Maths Paper.PNG seems to be a mirror of the commons entry [2] and will probably disappear when it gets deleted from commons again. also, I am of the opinion that since this is not a proper image but a scan of a plain text page (a single page out of multi-page document), reducing the resolution does not make much sense here. how should this be mentioned in the rationale? -- ktotam ( talk) 23:44, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I start this RFC a follow up to this discussion, which did not yield a clear consensus. It's an issue of the applicability of WP:NFC#UUI #17 to football teams and clubs. The questions the community have been disputed about for years are actually very simple:
Taking into account WP:NFC#UUI #17,
The final question that strems from the above three question's answers is:
Please post your responses below. T v x1 17:48, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
See British Rail D0260. Also Talk:British Rail D0260 and Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Main_photo_question
Lion was a prototype locomotive on British railways in the early 1960s. It was rarely photographed, and very rarely photographed in colour or with good quality. We have no photos available of it.
We have two options for photographs. One is to obtain an old copy of the railway magazines of the period and scan the cover. These are rare, but there are a few. Another is (already in the article) to use a Commons photograph of a model. File:20170721_140120_Richtone(HDR).jpg
Any thoughts? Would an NFC scan of the magazine be deleted anyway as "Use a free photograph of the model instead"? Andy Dingley ( talk) 11:57, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
I have a question about File:The Unknown Comic.jpg being used in The Unknown Comic. I understand non-free images of fictional characters are sometimes allowed for primary identification purposes in stand-alone articles about said characters, but "The Unknown Comic" is really a WP:BLP about Murray Langston, the person wearing the bag. In some cases a non-free image of a living person might be allowed as an exception per item 1 of WP:NFC#UUI when their visual appearance is the main reason why they are Wikipedia notable; at the same time, this is just a picture of a man wearing a paper grocery bag over his head which seems understandable per WP:FREER. Anyway, I asked Hullaballoo Wolfowitz about this at User talk:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz#File:The Unknown Comic.jpg awhile back and his point about this being a photo about a fictional character is a good one that I think needs some more discussion. The photo is technically really photo a character played by Langston than Langston himself, but at the same time the article is titled "The Unknown Comic" and not "Murray Langston". Maybe the photo is OK per WP:NFCCP, just not in the main infobox? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:10, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
For some retired or disbanded groups, or retired individuals whose notability rests in large part on their earlier visual appearance, a new picture may not serve the same purpose as an image taken during their career, in which case the use would be acceptable.(Emphasis added). Yes since Langston is living, one can expect free photos of Langston. Does he perform still with the bag? If not, this may be a case where the photo is allowable because it addresses a notable appearance he no longer has? Crow Caw 21:27, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic. An image needs to lend something to the article that significantly increases a reader's understanding. In a few places in the article, the character with a bag over the head is described. There's nothing that the picture adds to this understanding; one doesn't need an image of a person with a bag over their head to know what a bag over the head of a person looks like. Further, since the person is alive it is quite possible for him to reprise the role, thus making a failure of NFCC #1 even if it didn't fail #8. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 17:54, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
File:Shaurya Chakra.jpg is being used for primary identification purposes in Shaurya Chakra which on the surface seems fine. The file was flagged as a WP:NFCC#9 violation a user sandbox, but was removed here by a bot, which is how I noticed it. After a bit of digging, I found a freely licensed drawing of the medal uploaded to Commons as File:Shaurya Chakra India.jpg. I asked about the Commons file's licensing at c:COM:VPC#File:Shaurya Chakra India.jpg, but have only received one response so far; that response, however, strongly seems to suggest that the imagery appearing on the medal is PD. So, I wondering then if a non-free file of the medal would pass WP:FREER. Even if a drawing is not considered a sufficient free equivalent to a photo of the actual medal itself, it seems that a non-free photo of the medal (from any source) shouldn't be used just because the photo itself is non-free; in other words, a photo of the medal could be taken and uploaded to Wikipedia/Commons under a free license (even if it would be considered a photo of a 3D object) if the medal's imagery is not eligible for copyright protection, right? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:42, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
File:Potterlife.jpg is non-free book cover art which is being used for primary identification purposes of Dennis Potter. Potter is dead so a non-free image of him could be considered OK per item 10 of WP:NFCI; however, item 9 of WP:NFC#UUI states that using non-free cover art for this purpose should only be allowed when the cover art itself is the subject of sourced critical commentary. Even though this cover is pretty much just a photo of Potter with the title of book and author's name at the bottom, it's still a book cover. Does item 9 still apply when the person on the book cover is deceased or is primarily intended to clarify this type of use with respect to NFCC#1 and photos of living persons? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:14, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
What are others thoughts on including a cover image for each edition of a book in an article? Example case: Player's Handbook — JJMC89 ( T· C) 04:49, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
Some of images are being discussed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2019 September 13 now. — JJMC89 ( T· C) 02:31, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
At Men Against Fire, we are contemplating whether to include a non-free book cover of the book which inspired the episode, Men Against Fire: The Problem of Battle Command. It is mentioned in the Conception and writing section and the book doesn't have its own article. Would it meet the NFCC, in particular criterion #8 (contextual significance)? (Talk page discussion happening at Talk:Men Against Fire#Nazi flag.) — Bilorv ( talk) 08:24, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
I uploaded a historical advert, File:SA Sturm Cigarette Company ad.jpg, via the upload wizard, but the page does not seem to contain the long non-free image rationale I typed in. Did something go wrong? I'm contrasting it to File:Goody two shoes cigarette ad.jpg, which I uploaded earlier. HLHJ ( talk) 02:37, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
This seems like a clear-cut case of WP:NFLISTS, etc., but I want to ask about it here first to see whether it's worth going to FFD. Non-free use rationales were just added to File:Coat of Arms of Saskatchewan.jpg, File:Coat of Arms of Nunavut.png, and File:Coat of Arms of Prince Edward Island.png for use in this article. The editor who added the rationales is fairly new and I think this was done in good-faith; just adding the rationales, however, is not really an automatic justification for non-free use per WP:JUSTONE. Most of the files used in the list article are Commons files and it's only these three which are non-free. I understand the desire to have images for all entries in a table such as this, but this doesn't seem to go along with the consensus clearly established over the years for this type of non-free use across a wide range of different list articles. If these three files are somehow incorrectly licensed and are actually PD, then their licensing can be changed and they will no longer be subject to WP:NFCCP. If not, then their non-free use may need to be assessed in not only this article, but perhaps in other articles as well. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 21:56, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Whether it's brought up at FFD or not, the same problem will continue to arise across the project. This is one of the weaknesses of this project. All such things have strengths and weaknesses, but this is definitely a weakness. We've known for a very long time now that this sort of use is not permitted. Yet, many years on we're still fighting the same problems. Personally, given that it's so well established that this use is not permitted, there's not much benefit to going to FFD. Remove the use, educate the person who made the edits to include them, remove the rationales, and move on. If the same editor continues to violation NFLISTS, then continue to follow WP:DR. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 12:52, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi all, I am the user in question here. I'm fairly new to this and yes I had seen gaps in these articles and merely added the pictures from else where without knowing better. My apologizes for this. I have been doing some reading on the linked articles from you guys and have learned from my mistakes. Along this learning journey with some off site research as well, many of the provincial government sites as well as the federal heraldry site, many of them say that the images of the coat of arms can not be replicated or used without explicated permission. With this being stated shouldn't all the images featured on the page in question be removed as well as from all the other articles? -- FlyingBeavers 08:28, 02 October 2019
The NFC image resolution guidelines are now well over a decade old, from another era and completely outmoded by contemporary commercial standards. At current pixel densities on most display devices, we're down to a one square inch size, rendering the content illegible and useless.
It's really easy to tag and fix these images with bots and some contributors really don't like non-free content use in general, but those are poor rationales for a site-wide policy.
For instance, commercial album art resolution standards for itunes recommend a minimum of 3000x3000, or 9 megapixels. Right now the WP convention appears to still be 300x300, or one percent of the commercial resolution, contrary to the 10% rule of thumb guideline generally suggested.
Now those who follow copyright law are likely familiar with the reality of fair use being determined on a case-by-case basis. Wikipedia policies generally follow this advice, yet we still maintain an arbitrarily low resolution standard. This is a question of legal prophylaxis vs. usability and I think that it is to the detriment of our readers and contributors to subvert any nuanced practice by essentially having the NFC image collection bot patrolled/tagged/resized. At the very least I'd like to propose an incremental resolution increase for these coded thresholds. ˉˉ anetode ╦╩ 21:22, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
I am wondering if this meets WP:FREER. This was a really popular band and even though the rationale states that it's no longer touring, it doesn't seem to be a totally unreasonable expectation that an existing free equivalent image to use for the infobox could be found, perhaps one taken at some concert during it's 1996-2002 run. There are exceptions granted for FREER in item 1 of WP:NFC#UUI, but I'm not sure this would qualify for those. Moreover, the WP:BANDLOGO reason given in the file's non-free content use rationale is more of a justification to not use a non-free logo for primary identification, and not really a justification for using a non-free image instead. Perhaps the file's uploader Lazz_R can clarify why they feel a non-free file is needed and whether a search was made to see if an existing free equivalent existed. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:22, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
just curious. Blue Pumpkin Pie ( talk) 18:38, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Jo Cox is deceased so I can see why a non-free image could be allowed per item 10 of WP:NFCI, but she was a British MP when she was killed and it seems that should be a free image of her on some official UK government website that's released under a free license; for example, File:Official portrait of Tracy Brabin - v2 crop 2.jpg is a freely licensed image of her successor and there are many more freely licensed images of other British MPs found in c:Category:Official United Kingdom Parliamentary photographs 2017 so I'm not sure why a non-free photograph from Cox's website is needed per WP:FREER. I found this old archived page for her on the UK Parliament website so maybe there's something in an archived version of the website which could be used instead of a non-free image. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 13:28, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Was wondering about the non-free use of non-free album cover art in List of Scott Pilgrim soundtracks. At first glance, this type of use is not really allowed per WP:NFLISTS and WP:NFC#cite_note-3; however, this may be a case where these albums meet WP:NALBUM, but the content about them has only be combined together as a list article for encyclopedic purposes. The first album listed does seem like it might be OK as a stand-alone article, but I'm not so certain about the other two. Anyway, if it's the case that all of those are Wikipedia notable in their own right, then maybe it would be OK use the files as if these were technically separate stand-alone articles.
Another issue of concern (at least in my opinion) is WP:NFCC#3a since at least for two of the album covers are basically identical with only some minor differences in the text and color; so, it's not clear whether they both are needed regardless. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 04:36, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Similar concerns as those mentioned in #Non-free album covers in List of Scott Pilgrim soundtracks, but none of these soundtracks appear to be independently notable per WP:NALBUM. This typoe of list article seems to be nothing more than a "discography" for the TV series. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 04:44, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
I have created a new user script that adds further support for WP:IMAGERES; you can read its documentation at User:Alex 21/script-imageres. Once you've read the documentation, you can use File:All Lies (film).jpg and File:The End of the F***ing World logo.png as examples for the respective scenarios. -- / Alex/ 21 00:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
File:TH1to5 covers.jpg looks like it might be a user-created montage of non-free video game covers. These tend to be a problem per WP:NFCC#3a and WP:NFG. I checked the source provided for the image, but cannot find either the montage or any of the individual covers. I checked to see if there is possibly an archived version of the source which shows the image, but the earliest I found looks to be the same as the current page. Any suggestions on what to do here? Will ping the uploader Darklanlan to see if they can clarify the origin of the image. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:34, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Are there any exemptions to this rule? When I was
reviewing
Juan Carlos de la Cruz Reyna for GA, I noticed that the image of de la Cruz is non-free. According to the nominator,
MX, it may quality for NFCC#1. This individual is imprisoned in a maximum-security facility and access is severely limited. The only people to have access to him are his lawyers, family members (assuming they have a visa to travel to the U.S.) and prison staff. I've seen licenses like these specifically for BLP when the individuals are imprisoned and/or disappeared.
The issue for me is that he wasn't sentenced to life and is actually expected to be released in 2021. An NFCC exception would only last until then and I'm not sure how to enforce that.
Fiamh (
talk,
contribs) 21:13, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm wondering about the non-free use of this image in Margot Kidder and was going to WP:PROD, but then thought I asked for other opinions first. While I'll agree that Kidder's portrayal of "Lois Lane" is probably her best known role, I'm not so sure that a screenshot of her is needed for the reader to understand that. It's wasn't so much her physical appearance (e.g makeup or costuming) which made it her best known role, but rather her acting and interaction with the other characters as well as the popularity of the movie itself, at least in my opinion. All of this can be, again at least in my opinion, something reasonably understood through cited textual content; so, while nice, I don't see a non-free screenshot as really significantly improving that understanding. There are also quite a number of other images of Kidder in the article so it's not like this one is needed for primary identification purposes; it's also possible given the release date of Superman (1978 film) that there might be some {{ PD-US-no notice}} PR shots from the film showing Kidder somewhere out in the Internet which would could be used instead even if this is deemed to meet NFCC#8. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:28, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
It seems like this would make more sense used in Usman Khan (militant) than it does in 2019 London Bridge stabbing; however, there is currently an ongoing discussion about whether merge that article about Kahn into the article about the stabbing. Either way I don't the consensus has automatically been to use non-free images about the perpetrators of crimes in articles about the crimes themselves absent any significant commentary about the image in question. Some previous FFD discussions about such use in 2017 Congressional baseball shooting ( Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2017 June 15#File:James Thomas Hodgkinson.png and Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2017 July 7#File:James Thomas Hodgkinson.png), 2014 Isla Vista killings ( Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 February 21#File:Rodger small.png) and Umpqua Community College shooting ( Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2015 November 26#File:Chris Mercer.jpg) where the consensus was to delete non-free files when they were only used in articles about the crime and not about the perpetrator. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:34, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
I'm going to add a link to c:Commons:Deletion requests/Shogi Proffesionals because even though it involves photos uploaded to Commons under a free license, it seems that it might also have implications in other ways to other types of photos taken of identifiable persons in Japan, including possibly even non-free content uploaded to Wikipedia. The only reason the uploader has self-nominated these photos is because of language on the Japan Shogi Association's website about the "personality rights" of it's members; the uploader is afraid of being sued for uploading the photos. The uploader owns the copyright on the photos, but even so the JSA website states that permission to use (even on a personal website) is still required. c:Commons:Country specific consent requirements#Japan seems a little confusing, but perhaps the uploader is correct in their assessment of it. If that's the case and files can be deleted from Commons for this reason, then that might also be something that could affect non-free files uploaded of identifiable Japanese persons, particularly recently deceased ones. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:59, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at WP:MCQ#File:Roumdé Adjia Stadium.png. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:45, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
For GIF images, should I just follow the guidelines of images? Armydotnet ( talk) 07:05, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
At Al Hadi School an anonymous editor @ 50.209.127.73: was trying to make some edits, which seem to be test edits that are not contributing to the article. He was reverted once, but did the edits again after being reverted by @ Paleontologist99:. I notice anonymous editors have a habit of doing that, not taking the time to check how/why they were reverted, but instead doing edits again, not reading about what happened to them, with the secone edits never being noticed.
I got a notice that the image could be deleted, so I reverted the edits and put the image back in the article. However I don't think this is sustainable: We can't always count on an article watcher or the original uploader to guard against such a thing; some articles are relatively untrafficked, or the original editor may be gone for any reason; the image still should not be deleted in these cases. It is not acceptable that an image may be deleted due to these kinds of edits. We need an automatic reversion *with* a detailed message in plain English, catering to ordinary John/Jane Smiths, telling them how and why this is happening.
Also, a general point: We also need automatic detailed talk page messages for the revertee in the case of being reverted. We can't count on ordinary people taking the time to read detailed Wikipedia policies: we need plain English, plain message, simple messages telling them what's going on.
Thanks, WhisperToMe ( talk) 05:56, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
This is an unusual case where the subject of a non-free photo is deceased so that non-free use of File:Divya Bharti pic.jpg is most likely OK per item 10 of WP:NFCI, but where completely different photos have been added as updated versions of the one originally updated. New sources seem to be being provided and the older "versions" will eventually be deleted per WP:F5 so maybe it's not such a big deal. It does, however, seem to open the door for the same thing being repeated over and over again each time the uploader finds a "new" photo that they like better, which does seem like it might be something to be a bit concerned about. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:03, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
File:World One Mumbai.png is non-free and it appears the its construction has been placed on hold, but there are two freely licensed images in World One#Gallery which might make this non-free one no longer needed per WP:FREER. Are these free images considered acceptable free equivalents? They show the general shape, but they building might not have be topped out when they were taken. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:45, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 January 22#File:CGP Grey stick figure.png. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:00, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 January 28#File:CKQQ-FM Q103 2010 logo.jpg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:41, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 January 28#Non-free former CKQQ-FM logos. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:42, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
I'm wondering about the non-free use of this file. I kinda get the argument being made for it's non-free use, but at the same time this helicopter was first manufactured in 1991 according to the source cited in the file's description and then was sold to a private company in 2015. It doesn't seem totally unreasonable that someone sometime over the years prior to the crash might've taken a photo that would meet FREER. It also doesn't seem unreasonable to expect that a free equivalent photo of the same type of helicopter could be provide the same encyclopedic information as this one. It might be easier to justify per relevant policy a photo of the crash site or any wreckage, or even of the same type of helicopter and the use of such photos does seem to be the approach followed in some other similar articles. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:30, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
This has come up for discussion before over the years, but it's still not clear how or whether WP:FREER ( WP:NFCC#1) applies to non-free svgs. Previous discussions seem to have reached the conclusion that non-free svgs for logos may be acceptable when they are from a vector version officially provided by the original copyright holder, but may not be OK if they are user generated or come from other websites like Brands of the World, etc. Png files of logos (like File:Red Bull Arena.PNG) seem to be constantly being converted to svg versions (like File:Red Bull Arena logo.svg) even though their doesn't really seem to be a need to do so. I'm sure most of these files are being converted in good faith, perhaps because someone added {{ Should be SVG}} to the file's page, but it's not clear whether they really should be converted. WP:IUP#FOMRAT does state that "Drawings, icons, logos, maps, flags and other such images are preferably uploaded in SVG format as vector images", but it also states "Images with large, simple, and continuous blocks of color which are not available as SVG should be in PNG format." It might be a good idea to first discuss whether IUP and FREER are consistent on this and if they're not then what does "not available as SVG" mean. Does "not available" mean official version provided by the original copyright holder are not available or that any version created by anyone is not available? FREER seems to imply the former, but maybe that's not the case. I'm not trying to single out one editor or one file by bringing this up; the Red Bull file just happended to be on my watchlist. It might, however, be a good idea to clarify this type of thing once and for all, and then revise pages like IUP and templates like "Should be SVG" accordingly if there is a consensus that user-created SVGs of non-free logos should not be used to replace png versions or in place of png versions. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:49, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at WT:FOOTY#National team logo in infobox. — Marchjuly ( talk) 10:39, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Having read National Portrait Gallery and Wikimedia Foundation copyright dispute... are there any restrictions on including a National Portrait Gallery photo of a deceased individual on his Wikipedia biography under WP:FAIRUSE if no other photo is available? (NB. I'm talking about Wikipedia, not Commons.) Muzilon ( talk) 05:22, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 February 17#File:Pol Pot Headshot.jpg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 21:43, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
The policy in
WP:IMAGERES says that There is no firm guideline on allowable resolutions for non-free content
. This is not actually true, as there is effectively such a guideline, the one enforced by the bots
JJMC89 and
DatBot. It would be more helpful to display the guideline here explicitly, instead of let it stay hidden in the source code of the bots. This would make it possible for users to upload a file with an acceptable resolution at the first try, avoid arguments about whether a file is already low-res enough, and reduce the workload of the admins that are running those bots.
Tercer (
talk) 08:54, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi, shouldn't File:Korea Football Association logo, 2020.svg and File:Lebanese Football Association (LFA) logo.svg be in the public domain in the US as they are not original enough? The first is simply made of lines and geometric shapes, while the second is made of two monochromatic circles, a vectorial image of a football/soccer ball, and a vectorial image of the Lebanese Cedar ( already in the public domain). Nehme1499 ( talk) 12:21, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at WP:MCQ#File:Ontario Provincial Police logo.png. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:38, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2020_March_16#File:The_black_hammer.gif . Help to determine the appropriateness of including the image in the article about Ezra Taft Benson Epachamo ( talk) 02:55, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
FFD discussions like one in 2018 and the recent one (after my PRODding was contested) prove that images of perpetrators are generally unacceptable in non-biographical articles, i.e. articles whose main subject are not the perpetrators themselves. If extra rule to clarify NFCC or WP:NFC is unnecessary, i.e. NFCC is already clear, then how else will the cycle of "horrific event occurred → prolific photo of perpetrator uploaded → photo taken to discussion → deletion" (or something like that) be endured? Or, better yet, I don't know why the users who contested the PROD tag did not get engaged in the recent discussion. BTW, central discussion on this matter was advised, but until now, I'd not seen it centrally discussed yet. -- George Ho ( talk) 11:28, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
In a FfD discussion with user:JJMC89 I run into an argument that the text "the image shows this and that" is a free equivalent of the image. I find it rather surprizing. It this a correct interpretation of WP:FUC, Criterion 1? If yes, I will withdraw my objection there. If no, I would like to see a clarification in the policy, kinda. "where no free equivalent in comparable media" or smth. I.e. image or must be equiv to image, sound recording must be equiv to sound recording, etc. What do you think? Staszek Lem ( talk) 02:45, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello !! i want to add a image on a article of living person. He is a folk singer from nepal . how can i do so ? Ssapkota23 ( talk) 02:57, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
(below post moved from a section above where it was errantly posted -- Hammersoft ( talk) 17:36, 30 April 2020 (UTC)) I want to upload photo from celebrity’s office facebook post . For his article can i do that ? Ssapkota23 ( talk) 11:43, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
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You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2018_July_17#File:Washington_Redskins_uniforms.png. Ronhjones (Talk) 00:19, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Croatia national football team#Non-free use of File:Croatia national football team crest.svg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:09, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
Based on this discussion I would ask whether the community would agree with me that a book cover from a book series, specifically the cover from the first book in the series, can be used not only on the article about that book, but on the article about the series as well. I think this is logical enough to meet the criteria of non-free image use. Debresser ( talk) 16:34, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
I was just browsing though some of my older contributions and noticed that I had added a musical incipit (four bars) to the Adélaïde Concerto. While the work was first published in 1933 and is therefore probably still under copyright in the USA (I am not sure if the false attribution to Mozart in that first publication changes this in any way), this is a very small snippet and should be acceptable as fair use for identification. But since it's a score snippet in LilyPond, it doesn't have a file page, and there's nowhere to put the non-free use rationale template. What should I do about this? Double sharp ( talk) 15:54, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Not sure if eight non-free images are needed in International media reaction to the United States presidential election, 2008. Although the papers/publications they represent are mentioned by name in the article, none of the particular images being used are themselves really the subject of any critical commentary. Moreover, the way they are placed in certain sections might imply a bit of WP:OR since they seem to be being interpreted by the uploader as opposed to being interpreted by reliable sources. If there's one representative image which can be used and supported by critical commentary about it then maybe that could be justified, but not really seeing it. FWIW, I'm just posting here to get a sense of how some others might feel about this type of use to decide whether it's worth discussing at FFD. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:22, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
i would like some other opinions on the non-free use of various logos in Mazada#Marques. Some of the logos, like File:Mazda1.svg, might actually not need to be treated as non-free, whereas others like File:Autozam logo.gif might have been licensed incorrectly under a free license. The table of former logos does not really seem to an acceptable exception to WP:NFTABLES; there's a brief description provided for each logo, but nothing supported by any citations to reliable sources per WP:NFC#cite_note-4. The main infobox was being used in the table, but I removed it per WP:NFCC#3a and WP:NFCC#10c. Out of the five remaining logos, four are licensed as non-free and are only being used in this article; so, removing them will orphan them. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 04:50, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
· · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:51, 1 September 2018 (UTC) (please ping with reply)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 September 6#File:Not Half A Human 2018.webm. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 22:40, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
There are 70 non-free album covers being used in this article, and most of them appear to have been uploaded specifically for this particular article. Non-free use rationales are provided and I believe the uploads were made in good faith, but I don't see how any of these (except possibly the two infobox files) can be justified per WP:JUSTONE, WP:NFLISTS, WP:NFCC#8 or WP:NFC#cite_note-3. This would be quite a big FFD discussion that might need to be broken down in multiple discussions, or someone could just be bold and remove this (which might lead to them just being re-added). I'm going to post something on the uploader's user talk inviting them to discuss things here, but I would also appreciate some input from editors experienced in working with non-free files. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:38, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2018_September_11#File:Vignelli_1972.jpg2008.jpg. Ronhjones (Talk) 17:12, 12 September 2018 (UTC) Ronhjones (Talk) 17:12, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
WP:NFCC#4 requires that non-free content be previously published. Assuming that "published" in this context takes the same meaning as
WP:PUBLISHED, then it seems that being available online is not required. If there's alot of detail provided about the source to make it possible for someone to track down, then maybe this is not an issue; for example, someone scans an image from a book/magazine, but lists all the pertinent information about it in |source=
to make some sort of verification possible. How are other cases handled though when the uploader just gives boilerplate source information or basically list themselves as the source?
The particular example I'm thinking of is File:Annie Walker.jpg. It's not really being claimed as "own work" per se, but there's also nothing detailed provided about the source of the image. The uploader states the image was "personally acquired", but that's all. It's licensed as a screenshot, but there's no real way to know where it came from. I'm assuming it's from a Coronation Street episode, but have no way of knowing which one. Is simply giving ITV Granada as the author enough for NFCC purposes?
Another example is File:St Paul's Auckland Logo.svg. This one is being claimed as "own work" by the uploader per the non-free use rationale and Talk:St Paul's Church, Auckland#Images. The logo appears to be being used by the church on its Twitter page and also is being used with different coloring on its official website, but there's nothing to verify it was created by the uploader other than what he himself has posted. This file probably is too simple for {{ Non-free logo}} and is really {{ PD-logo}} instead, but I'm not sure that resolves the source/authorship issue.
So, I'm interested in learning what other think about files such as these. — Marchjuly ( talk) 23:16, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
WP:NFCI is poorly written as it gives no indication of how long to wait after the death of a (notable) deceased person before uploading a non-free photo. Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard offers the option to upload a non-free photo with the following guideline:
"This is an historic portrait of a person no longer alive. This is an historic photograph or other depiction of a person who is no longer alive. It will be used as the primary means of visual identification of that person in the article about them."
This is just setting editors up for a fall. A good-faith upload of a recently deceased person with a valid Fair User Rationale will simply be deleted, as apparently there is a some sort of unwritten moratorium on non-free images after death, just in case a free image can be found. This is needlessly frustrating for editors who follow the rules, and very discouraging to newbies. It would be helpful for all editors if a time period were defined. 6 months? 1 year? 10 years? Cnbrb ( talk) 13:16, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
10. Pictures of deceased persons, in articles about that person, provided that ever obtaining a free close substitute is not reasonably likely. In the case of people who have recently died, a reasonable period beyond the date of death should be allowed, normally 6 months, to allow for a free image of the subject to be found. Note that if the image is from a press or photo agency (e.g., AP, Corbis or Getty Images) and is not itself the subject of critical commentary it is assumed automatically to fail "respect for commercial opportunity".
Should WP:NFCI specify a waiting period before uploading non-free photos of deceased persons? Cnbrb ( talk) 18:41, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
10. Pictures of deceased persons, in articles about that person, provided that ever obtaining a free close substitute is not reasonably likely. In the case of people who have recently died, a reasonable period beyond the date of death should be allowed, normally 6 months, to give editors time to find a free image of the subject. Note that if the image is from a press or photo agency (e.g., AP, Corbis or Getty Images) and is not itself the subject of critical commentary it is assumed automatically to fail "respect for commercial opportunity".
When official copyrighted content cannot be added to Wikipedia, is {{ external media}} an permissible alternative, per the "When to use" section on the template page, point #2: "cannot be uploaded to Wikipedia, even under fair-use rules"? – Batreeq ( Talk) ( Contribs) 01:56, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm wondering whether the wording and use of {{ Non-free architectural work}} needs to be reassed when the template is used for no longer existing buildings or other structures. For example, File:Blair Building.jpg was demolished in 1955, so obviously nobody can just go a take a current photo of it. There might be a free equivalent floating around somewhere online which makes a non-free unnecessary since the building was completed in 1903, but that's sort of a different issue. Anyway, the wording of "Non-free architectural work" seems to be mainly regarding buildings currently under construction but not yet completed, and not really for buildings which have been demolished. So, I'm wondering if it might be better to use {{ Non-free historic image}} for files such as this like File:AmmenManzil Hyderabad.jpg and File:Arial photo of Grand Canyon University (formerly Grand Canyon College) 1951.jpg (old aerial shot of the university campus whose non-free use probably fails NFCC#8).
The same can be said of rendering photos or other images of buildings whose construction was planned, but now have free images used for them or whose construction was ultimately never realized; for example, files like File:1101 panorama tower render medium for wiki fair use.jpg (free images exist for identification purposes), File:AMP Centre redevelopment render.jpg (a redesign, but free images of the existing structure exist), File:Balaton-Ring.jpg (cancelled mid-construction), File:Amakhosi-Stadium.png (apparently redesigned and construction indefinitely stalled; no idea which version of the design this represents), File:ASU Aiki Shrine.jpg (completed not sure how this meets NFCC#1), File:Australia 108 design.jpg (previous design rendering which was cancelled and then superseded by File:Australia 108 proposal 3.jpg) and File:Adolf Loos's Dvořák mausoleum.jpg (construction never started). While it might be acceptable to keep these non-free images for other reasons, it seems like a different license should be used instead. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:31, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
I was trying to use the NFCC content wizard to upload a photo of Ali Irsan ( this shot from the Texas Department of Criminal Justice), but the wizard only shows the option for the deceased. While Irsan is still alive, he is incarcerated and it's unlikely a free photo will appear. WhisperToMe ( talk) 00:49, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
A dispute has arisen on which logo is the appropriate one to use for Great Britain Olympic football team. The football teams use their own distinct variant of the branding of the British Olympic Association. However, one user keeps imposing the general BOA branding and adding a fair use rationale to the file without demonstrating its validity. I feel this falls afoul of WP:NFC#UUI#17. However the other user is unwilling to consider any other stance than their own. This ended up at WP:ANEW who referred us here. Any thoughts? T v x1 14:35, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Could someone please advise whether having two logos of a copyrighted newspaper banner is acceptable. The case in point is in this infobox. Thanks SchroCat ( talk) 22:14, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
I recently uploaded a non-free image for the first time - a book cover - so came here looking for an answer to the question, "How big should a non-free image be?"
This page says, "There is no firm guideline on allowable resolutions for non-free content; images should be rescaled as small as possible to still be useful as identified by their rationale, and no larger". It then goes into several paragraphs of related musing, including mentioning that "at the low pixel count end of the range", 0.1 megapixels meets "most common pictoral needs" but gives no indication that that's expected to be followed unless there is a specific exception.
I had no strong preference, but felt this image worked better just a little larger; so made and uploaded a 0.16 megapixel version. I then got a message from User:RonBot saying, "I have found that the subject image that you recently uploaded was more than 5% in excess of the Non-free content guideline size of 100,000 pixels", and another bot automatically resized it down. As the resulting image is inevitably lower-quality than if I'd just used that size in the first place, I ended up going back and make a new 0.1 megapixel version from the original and uploading that as a replacement.
I've no objection to a size guideline, or to bots resizing oversized images, and I know I could have tagged it as an exception if it clearly was one. My issue is that we have a guideline page saying "There is no firm guideline" for pixel count; and a bot that enforces the guideline we say we don't have. This seems needlessly unhelpful, and wastes users' time.
Perhaps this could be rephrased at least to something like "the usual guideline is" if that's how bots are going to treat it? TSP ( talk) 15:34, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 November 23#File:Dril.jpg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:31, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Someone just uploaded a new version of
File:TCM logo 2009.svg and it made me curious about a few things. The original file name seems to imply that it was the logo used circa 2009, and
the source cited for that version also comes from 2009–2010. This new version, however, is not found in the original source and it's not clear how recent it is or where it came from. It looks like the logo shown
here just with a different color scheme; so, I guess it's the most recent logo. Is all that is needed is for the |source=
paramter in the non-free use rationale to be updated or does the file also need to be renamed (since the 2009 no longer seems applicable)?
Another question I have has to do with the file type of the new version. The original was uploaded as an svg, but the new version seems to be a png. I say seems to be because when I try to download it, the file is being named as "File:TCM logo 2009.svg.png". I'm not sure if that is just my computer doing that or if the new version is actually a png file. Again, I'm wondering if this means the file name needs to be changed accordingly or whether it would've been best to upload this as a completely new file altogether.
The older version of the file is now an orphan as is going to be deleted per WP:F5. However, I don't think the file's name will automatically be changed to reflect the new version being a png or not being from 2009; so, I'm curious as to whether this file also should be tagged with {{ Rename media}}. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 04:44, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 December 4#File:Dril.jpg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:09, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
I came across File:PSJS Jaksel.jpg tagged for speedy deletion per WP:G5. The file apparently was uploaded by a sock of a banned /blocked user. I understand that edits made per WP:EVADE are often reverted in principle, but in this case the file otherwise seems NFCCP compliant (except for a potential source problem). The are some other files uploaded by the same sock which have also been tagged for speedy deletion, which also seem OK. So, I'm just curious as to what is typically done with files such as this. I guess that keeping the files would somehow recognize or give credit to the uploader, but at the same time the files seem to be fine per the NFCC and probably wouldn't be deleted based upon it. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 22:14, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
otherwise seems NFCCP compliant (except for a potential source problem), which is something that is often a simple fix. I'm just curious though as to what you mean by "take responsibility" since the file's page history will always show the sock as the original uploader, won't it? — Marchjuly ( talk) 23:25, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 December 25#Non-free Dad's Army character images. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 13:35, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Non-free images in portals. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 14:20, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
I have had some files nominated for deletion at c:Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Sturm Cigarette Company. I'm fairly sure one of them can pass the fair use criteria. Is there any semi-automated way to transfer a file and its metadata? HLHJ ( talk) 23:53, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
WP:COPYLINK, WP:YOUTUBE and WP:ELNEVER state that links to external links hosting (obvious) copyright violations shouldn't be added to any Wikipedia pages, which would include file pages; however, links to questionable sources are often provided by those uploading non-free files. Video sites such as YouTube are often given as the source of movie/TV screenshots even though they my guess is the majority of them don't come from YouTube channels which are official channels of the copyright creators. I've been wondering about this for a file for things like newscast openings, movie screenshots which are sourced to video sites like YouTube, etc. as well as team/coprporate logos, etc. which are sourced to websites such as like Logopedia, Sportslogos.net, etc.
Ideally it seems like it would be best to use an official source whenever possible, but it might be hard to do so in some cases. For example, the source for File:Wpbf dt2 2008.png seems to be an official one; so that probably is not an issue per COPYLINK; there might be other NFCC issues besides WP:NFCC#10a but the source at least seems official. What about a file like File:Actor Frank McGlynn Sr as Abraham Lincoln in 1939 film.jpg? The file comes from a film that someone uploaded to YouTube. It's possible I guess that the uploader does own the copyright on the short, but most likely that is not the case. So, it seems that linking to the YouTube channel would not really be allowed per COPYLINK. Perhaps the non-free rationale could be tweaked to change the source to the actual film, but the reasoning that the "Screenshot from video copy of film available for free public viewing on YouTube." seems incorrect in many ways since being "freely viewable on YouTube" doesn't mean "public domain" or "copyright free" at all. How are source links like this generally handled? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 04:41, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
This file was previously discussed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2017 July 11#File:Big Brother 16 (U.S.) Logo.png. The FFD was WP:NAC as "no consensus" which I've never really understood. Since I still have the file on my watchlist, I wonder about this everytime an new rationale is added for its use. When the file was originally discussed, it was being used in four articles (the parent article and three season articles), but it's be added to a few more season articles since then. So, the "no consensus" close seems to have created a situation when non-free use is now considered default justifible for each new season article which is created, which seems contrary to WP:NFCC#3, items 14 and 17 of WP:NFC#UUI and even MOS:TVIMAGE.{pb}}Would it be better to try and get the original close re-assessed per WP:CLOSECHALLENGE or better to simply start a new FFD for the file? There's really no template for FFD which works like {{ AfDx}} for files previously discussed at FFD: this is probably because a deleted file usually ended up discussed via WP:DRV instead of back at FFD prior to FFD's incorportion of WP:NFCR and WP:PUF. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:01, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm not terribly familiar with the non-free status of historic photos. Could someone let me know whether File:Henry Marks.png is ok? The source ( Pacific Islands Monthly) was scanned and is freely available on Trove. If it is ok, there are photos of several other notable Pacific Island people that I'd like to take from it, such as Daimon (Head Chief). Cheers, Number 5 7 22:39, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
I received a notice on 31 Jan about an oversized non-free image, and the image was tagged at the same time. However, I didn't see an update to the image, so have manually updated the image today. Of course, this means that the larger image is still available as the previous revision. Is there a reason a bot didn't resize this? — cBuckley ( Talk • Contribs) 14:56, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
If anyone wants to straight-up junk File:Octavia-Blvd-San-Francisco.png right now, rather than wait 7 days for the bot to do it, that's fine by me. SilverbackNet talk 19:38, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure whether WP:NFCC#4 and WP:NFCC#10a are being met by File:San Francisco Police Department Reserve Officer (badge).jpg. First of all, this file might not need to even be non-free content based upon File:CA - San Francisco Police.png, but if it does then I don't think trying to use a Wikipedia editor as a source complies with the WP:NFCCP. Even if this was considered a derivative of the Commons file and eligible for its own copyright, it couldn't be kept per WP:FREER because someone could create the same file and release it under a free license. right? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:26, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2019 February 16#File:Robert Goldston01.jpg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:36, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at WP:MCQ#File:Katharina Lindner.jpg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:45, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at WP:MCQ#Answering machine, voicemail, etc. copyrights. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:26, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
I came across File:Kalyanji Anandji.jpg checking on some NFCC#9 flagged files. This is a photo of two brothers being used in the main infobox of Kalyanji–Anandji. One of the brothers Kalyanji Virji Shah is dead so a cropped non-free image can probably be used in the main infobox of the article written about him; the other brother Anandji Virji Shah is still living and there's Commons image being used for primary identification in that article. The question I have is whether a non-free photo of the two together can be justified in the article about them as a unit/team. They's not particularly notable for their appearance, but maybe this would be like a non-free photo of a band which shows the original lineup including members which have since died. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:30, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
There's a discussion ongoing at c:COM:VPC#Category:Coins of the Philippines which might be of interest to those who work with non-free files. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:46, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
There are quite a number of non-free pictures of toy cars which have been uploaded for use in Tomica being discussed at WP:MCQ#File:Tomica Dandy.jpg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:18, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Wondering what some others think about the non-free use in Vebjørn Sand. There are currently ten non-free files which may be alot depending upon which side of the fence you fall upon when in comes to non-free use in BLPs about visual artists. I can't see any real reason for the main infobox image to be non-free, especially since the artist is still alive and the non-free image being used has pretty much zero encyclopedic value for primary indentification purposes. Same goes for the last image at the end of the article which is a non-free image showing the artist painting in Anartica. The other files of the actual works of art might be OK as representative examples, but I'm not sure so many are needed. Some of the photos of outdoor works might not even need to be non-free depending upon the WP:FOP; Norway's FOP seems to be mainly for buildings, but not sure if how images in Antartica are dealt with.
Anyway, all of the files were uploaded by the same person who seems to have gotten them directly from the artist himself; that might indicate a COI, but I'm not sure how that affects non-free use. However, if artist has been in contact with the uploader, then perhaps the artist will uploaded a better image under a free license for the main infobox or perhaps release one or two for use in the file. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:56, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Is there a possible way to stop non-free images from being added to this template page? Perhaps there an edit notice of something which can be added to the top the edit window like has been done with respect to some flag list articles (see Template:Editnotices/Page/Flags of cities of the United States)? It's not the end of the world when a non-free logo is added to this template, but it seems to be being done by people not aware of WP:NFCC#9 who might not do so if they knew. Perhaps such a page notice could be created and worded in such a way so that it could be added to all template edit pages by default. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:16, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at WT:TM#Uw-nonfree wording (repost). -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:00, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
I've recently come across an IP making quite a number of requests at WP:GL/I of various non-free logos, seals, flags, etc. to be converted to svg format. The IP turned out to be a block evading sock, but it's editing went unnoticed for quite a bit of time an there were some files actually converted to svg, which in turn led to the replaced files being deleted per WP:F5. I've got no doubt the editors working at GL helping clean up files are doing what they think is best, but I wonder how many of them are familiar what is written about svgs in FREER. It's not only editors working at GL, but also editors working on their own converting various non-free files to svgs.
c:COM:SVG#Copyright says there's no clear consensus as to whether svg conversion generates a new copyright by creating a derivative work, and FREER says that only official vector versions provided by the original copyright holder should be used for non-free files. Yet, templates like {{ Should be svg}}, etc. make no mention of any of these things and seem to imply that svg files are preferrable in all cases. So, there are files like File:Fédération Française de Football logo.png, File:AndorraFootballFederationlogo2014.png and File:Bulgaria football union.png, etc. ending up delated due to the creation of File:French Football Federation logo.svg, File:Bulgarian Football Union logo.svg and File:Andorran Football Federation logo.svg, etc. when there really doesn't seem to have been a need for an svg for encyclopedic reasons and in which the svg bascially seems to be a user-created vector version instead of an official vector version, often citing the same source as the deleted file. The svgs seem to be being created just for the sake of doing so, regardless of whether the original non-svg files are still perfectly usable for Wikipedia's purposes.
If this type of thing is not really a problem, then perhaps FREER should be tweaked accordingly to reflect this consensus. On the other hand, if converting non-free files to svg is potentially a problem, then perhaps the relevant templates and places like the GL should be made aware of the issue as way to try and prevent any files which shouldn't really be converted to svg from actually being converted (even in good faith). -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:38, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
"The point of a mechanical transformation is that if two different people do it, they get the exact same result."Ah - but the point is that they don't. I've seen no end of bad, lossy rescales of bitmaps and shitty format conversions - I've also seen excellent ones and a whole range inbetween. The transformation is done by software, sure, but there are many software packages and many different algorithms and the skill and judgement of the person performing the transformation is to choose the best of these variables each time. They don't - so the results are not the same. Sure, I could teach someone how to use software to get a result very close to the result I would get, but I could also teach them to use software to generate SVG code in the same way that I do. My results in either case may be better or worse than any given alternative, but not identical. The "human readable" element is a red herring. Show 100 random people the SVG code for an image - 5 or 10 might know what it is - probably one or two will know how to read it to create an image - which they will generally do with software, not "in their head" or manually (very simple SVGs are an exception, but as you point out they are below TOO anyway.). The same is largely true of the hex code comprising a bitmap. I have no real idea why xml code would be any more likely to automatically create a new copyright than hexadecimal code would. -- Begoon 08:22, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
The problem you describe of information being 'lost' when a source file is deleted as an orphan is real (it's not actually gone - but only admins can see it). Perhaps we should keep the old file description pages as an audit-trail, with all the image revisions rev-deleted as old ones currently are (maybe that would necessitate having a 1px blank placeholder, as I'm not sure image pages can exist with no file revisions present) - or perhaps it should be part of the procedure when deleting such an orphan to copy the audit trail to the 'new' image (or ensure that it has been.) -- Begoon 05:22, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
I asked about this file at MCQ back in February, but it got archived at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions/Archive/2019/February#File:Katharina Lindner.jpg without a response. The issue is bacsically the same as I mentioned at MCQ. Lindner died on February 9 and the non-free image was uploaded a little less than a week later. NFCCP does allow non-free images of deceased persons to be used (item 10 of WP:NFCI) as long as WP:FREER is not an issue. I was able to find an official YouTube video in which Linder is being inducted into the Hartford Hawks Hall of Fame. I can't seem to find anything about the licensing of the video, but am wondering whether it can be used to capture a free equivalent screenshot. I going to assume that YouTube's standard licensing wouldn't allow this, but I can't figure out how this particular video might be licensed. Anyway, someone posted something on another talk page about something else recently that reminded me of this file; so, I thought I'd try asking here this time around. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:03, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
This is another file I asked about at MCQ, but that also got archived ( Wikipedia:Media copyright questions/Archive/2019/February#File:Anne O'Brien in 1980.jpeg) without a response. This file was transfered to English Wikipedia from Italian Wikipedia ( it:File:Anne O'Brien nel 1980.jpeg). The source file appears to be licensed as PD, but also tagged that it shouldn't be moved to Commons. If this means the file is not PD in the US for some reason, then I don't think English Wikipedia can treat it as such; this means the file would most likely need to be relicensed as {{ Non-free biog-pic}} and a non-free use rationale ({{ Non-free use rationale biog}}) be added for each use if there are not other problems like WP:NFCC#1, WP:NFCC#4 or WP:NFCC#10a, etc. The problem is the file is being used in two article and the use in the 2016 in Ireland article is almost certainly not going to be allowed per WP:NFCCP; so, the file would have to be removed from that article. This all depends of course on whether the file really is not PD; if it is PD, then I can't think of a reason why it cannot be moved to Commons if it's PD in both the US and its country of origin. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 08:37, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Since one shouldn't use too many non-free images outside the infobox, would it help that if an article has multiple infoboxes images can be put in them? -- Kailash29792 (talk) 16:03, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
WP:NFCC#4 requires that non-free content be previously published and that WP:NFCC#10a requires that information about the original source, etc. be provided, and these the two criteria are sort of related in that generally the source of a non-free file can show not only that it's been previously published, but can also provide information about the who created the image, when it was created, etc. These two criteria, however, also seem to be a bit of gray area where their can be lots of room for interpretation.
For example, WP:NFC#Meeting the previous publication criterion seems to imply that the main concern is whether content has been "leaked" (implying some kind of wrongdoing has taken place) which seems to be different than how "published" is defined in WP:PD#Publication and Publication#Legal definition and copyright, which seems to focus more on whether multiple tangible copies have been released at made available to the pubic at large. Maybe the both definitions are saying the same thing and just are emphasing different aspects, but I recently was part of a discussion where the primary argument that a photo had been previously published was that it wasn't leaked and was probably provided by the subject of the photo to an organization for use in their archives.
As for sourcing, I've always assumed that official sources should be used whenever possible for non-free content. So, an official company website should be used as the source for the company's logo or a sports team's official website should be used as the source for a team's logo. WP:NFC#Sourcing, however, seems imply that a source more optional than required and providing information about the original source is recommended to help verify things like previous publication. That section the guideline even states that Lacking a source is not grounds for media removal, ... even though WP:F4 does list not having a source as a valid reason to speedy delete a non-free file. Many non-free files are uploaded with sources (i.e. links to a source). When one of the non-free use rationale templates are used and the "source" parameter is left empty, the template will generally add some boilerplate text such as "The logo maybe obtained from XXXX" or "The logo is copyright be XXXX". Maybe this is sufficient for some files where it wouldn't be too hard to track down the source through a little digging, but I wonder if this boilerplate text is sufficient for NFCC purposes. There are also case where a link is provided, but it is not to a website under the control of the original copyright holder. A company or team logo may be sourced to a Wikia site or something like Logopedia or Sportslogo.net, cover art maybe sourced to a site like Discogs, iTunes or Amazon, a movie poster may be sourced to IMDb, etc. Are these kinds of sources acceptable for NFCC purposes?
There are also occasionally non-free files where the uploader is claiming to be the copyright holder. and states they don't want to freely license the file such as is being done with File:102.3 The Coyote, WYOT, Official Logo, March 2015.png. A claim of "own work" for a freely licensed file often requires OTRS verification, but I'm not sure what is done about verifying copyright ownership claims of "own work" for a non-free file. A non-free file doesn't really require permission of the copyright holder, but it does require publication. Would such files be considered a type of fan art?
Finally, I'm not sure how the NFCC deals with non-free files which contain elements of other non-free files. I'm not necessarily talking about a user-created montages of distinct individual non-free files, but more about a non-free file which may include non-free and free elements and may also be partially user created. A source is provided, but the actual file cannot be found at the source because the file might not actually be an official file per se. For example, a team logo like File:Baltimore Ravens logo.svg or File:Jacksonville Sharks.png can be found online on an official team website, but then someone takes that logo and adds it to another image like File:AFCN-Uniform-BAL.PNG or File:Jacksonville Sharks Helmet Logo.png to create a new file. The uniform file or helmet file might actually represent the actual uniform or helmet used by the team, but it's not clear whether the file is actually one provided by the team itself. Can someone take copyart or a template like c:Category:American football uniform helmets or c:Category:American football uniform template, or something from an external website like this or this, tweak the coloring to reflect the team's colors (perhaps using actual official team photos for reference) and then add the copyrighted logos to create a new non-free file? This seems to be a bit questionable in my opinion both encyclopedically and non-free content policy wise, but perhaps it's something which is generally allowed. What about a file like File:Summit County Rumble Helmet Logo.png? It seems way too simple to be non-free per c:COM:TOO United States since the number "21" is just non-copyrightable text and the helmet design might be considered ultilitarian per c:COM:CSM#Utility objects; so, if the only reason it's licensed as non-free is because it was user-created or it was taken from an external wesbite, then that would seem to fail WP:FREER since someone could create a free equivalent providing the same information. FWIW, I've looked for the file on the source listed in it's rationale, but couldn't find it. The team was mentioned by name, but I couldn't find the actual file.-- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:29, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at WT:FOOTY#Bhutan national football team. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 11:50, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
The
"In general" subsection has multiple references to the year 1923. From what I understand, in 2019, these references are outdated. It would seem useful to replace the 1923 references with {{Not-PD-US-expired-min-year}}
(which is used in the {{
PD-US}} template) or with a reference to "[published] more than 95 years ago." --
Elegie (
talk) 07:45, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
I've asked about this before at Wikipedia talk:Template messages/User talk namespace/Archive 16#Uw-nonfree wording and at WT:TM#Uw-nonfree wording (repost), but only have gotten one response. I think it might be a good idea to at least tweak the first sentence of this template since lots of non-free use has to do with people adding already uploaded files, not just uploading new files. The current wording is
Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. We always appreciate when users upload files. However, it appears that one or more of the files you have uploaded or added to a page may fail our non-free policy. Most often, this involves editors uploading or using a copyrighted file of a living person. For other possible reasons, please read up on our Non-free criteria. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
but I think that something such as
Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. We always appreciate when users upload new files or add existing files to pages. However, it appears that one or more of the files you have uploaded or added to a page may fail our non-free policy. Most often, this involves editors uploading or using a copyrighted file of a living person. For other possible reasons, please read up on our Non-free criteria. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
might be a bit better.
Anyone have any opinions on this change in wording. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
or"non-free content" is content considered to be protected by copyright which is not released under a free license which Wikipedia accepts or within the public domain as defined in Wikipedia:Image use policy#Free licenses and Wikipedia:Image use policy#Public domain
would suffice. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 04:56, 20 June 2019 (UTC)"non-free content" is content considered to be protected by copyright as defined in Wikipedia:Non-free content
Cleaning up the language in policies, templates and guidelines would almost certainly help, but I think the nature of the beast is that people will always occasionally say fair-use when they mean non-free (and vice-versa). Most people do not understand the distinction - or even that there is one. -- Begoon 05:30, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Am I misunderstanding what's written here?
With regard to WP:NFCC#1, WP:FREER says "Could the subject be adequately conveyed by properly sourced text without using the non-free content at all? If the answer […] is yes, the non-free content probably does not meet this criterion." So, if everything written about the subject can be understood with the provided prose, then no NFC is needed, right? However, with regard to WP:NFCC#8, WP:NFC#CS says the criterion is met if only by "including such non-free content, can the reader identify an object, style, or behavior, that is a subject of discussion in the article." So, if the reader could not identify the subject on the street by virtue of the prose's description alone, then NFC is allowed, right?
For what it's worth, I'm inquiring because I don't understand the objections raised at this ongoing discussion. — fourthords | =Λ= | 15:23, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
the nuance [is] that generally we want at least some illustration of unique named items even if these are not visually unique.If this is the case, that we always want articles about unique things to have illustration (NFC, if necessary), is that something we could codify in the NFCC? Because as it sits now, the article George (dog) doesn't need NFC to understand it, and so File:George dog.jpg fails WP:NFCC#8. — fourthords | =Λ= | 17:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
A notable topic means there's critical commentary about the topic (for NFCC#8 to be met)But #8 doesn't mention "critical commentary" at all; its threshold is "significantly increas[ing] readers' understanding of the article topic". In this instance (as an example) then, how does the NFC significantly assist in understanding what's written at George (dog)? — fourthords | =Λ= | 17:21, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
allow[ing] for a non-replacable non-free image of a unique notable subject, then can it be explicitly enumerated at WP:NFCC?
As they're read now, the "long-standing" consensus and discussions about learning styles and whatnot have to be (presumably) found in this page's archives or editors repeatedly asking anew, and editors will continue to not realize these implied exceptions/allowances. Given your explanation here that such is so, might I be so bold and update the NFCC myself? — fourthords | =Λ= | 19:11, 15 July 2019 (UTC)8. Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. Illustrative NFC for unique notable subjects meets this criterion iff all other NFCC are met.
the use of identifying images like this is well-documented [at WP:NFCThe problem is that WP:NFC is subordinate to the NFCC, which prompts me to say that the "significantly increas[ing] readers' understanding of the article topic" absolutely must be met before the NFC examples even come into play. Am I making sense? — fourthords | =Λ= | 16:53, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Given the preexisting consensus to its implementation, does anybody specifically object to amending WP:NFCC#8 to read,
8. Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. Illustrative NFC for unique notable subjects meets this criterion iff all other NFCC are met.
— fourthords | =Λ= | 16:41, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
That's why we have NFC (the guideline) that points out certain exceptions or other interpretationsHow can the guideline exempt anything from the NFCC when the guideline itself says "the use of such media must still comply with the Non-free content criteria"? If the examples at NFC are exemptions to the NFCC, then they do not—by definition of the word exemption—need to comply with the NFCC; yet the page says they do. Should I instead be arguing that WP:NFCCEG say:
…or similar? — fourthords | =Λ= | 21:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)The following cases are a non-exhaustive list of established examples of acceptable use of non-free media on Wikipedia. While exempt from exacting interpretations of WP:NFCC#8, the use of such media must still comply with the other Non-free content criteria and provide rationales and licensing information.
the old discussions in the RfCs linked at the end of reference 1as opposed to simply and clearly stated? Heck, that's what a guideline is, a "set of best practices that are supported by the consensus of Wikipedia editors." — fourthords | =Λ= | 19:48, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Item 10 of WP:NFCI states that it's generally acceptable to use non-free images of deceased persons when the purpose is for primary identification and there's no problem per WP:FREER. Mostly, this seems to be deemed OK with the image is used at the top of or in the main infobox of a stand-alone article about the person in question, and not really OK for other types of non-free uses. Articles about serial killers or other criminals (e.g Faryion Wardrip and John Wayne Gacy) often have subsections about their victims, and in many cases these subsections contain a non-free image of the victim. I've previously brought this kind of thing up for discussion before at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content/Archive 68#Non-free photos of crime victims and it has also been discussed at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content/Archive 64#Images of victims and/or perps on crime pages as well as as a part of Wikipedia talk:Non-free content/Archive 55#RFC: Clarifying policy on pictures of deceased persons. The question is whether these subsections about victims actually require a image for primary indentification purposes as would be allowed in a stand-alone articles about the victims or whether the stricter interpretation of WP:NFCC#8 per WP:NFC#CS typically applied to non-free use within the bodies of articles should applied instead. I can understand the desire to put a face to the victoms of these crimes, but I wondering how close doing so might be to WP:NOTMEMORIAL. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:58, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2019 July 29#File:Old Town Road Diplo and RM remix.png. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:20, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Is there a preferred file type for logos? WP:IUP#Format mentions svg and png, but there's nothing about jpg when it comes to logos. I'm not sure if there's anything wrong with File:DBB emblem.png for other NFCCP reasons, but it seems fine for the most part per WP:NFCC#3b; so, it's unclear why it needs to be replaced by File:German Basketball Federation logo.jpg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:52, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
File:Roger Broders02.jpg, for example, is a non free image. Its creator, Roger Broders, died in 1953, so its copyright will expire on 1 January 2024. We have no way to programmatically find such images on the date when they become free. If we add a parameter to store the date (or year) to {{ Non-free use rationale}}, then we can apply a category, and each January 1 someone (or a bot) can empty the category by moving images to Commons. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:26, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
could someone please point me out to the correct way of moving a (potentially non-free) file from commons to en.wikipedia, ideally under the same name and keeping the history, etc.? I have requested a temporary 2-day undelete at commons, and the current entry File:Mongolian Maths Paper.PNG seems to be a mirror of the commons entry [2] and will probably disappear when it gets deleted from commons again. also, I am of the opinion that since this is not a proper image but a scan of a plain text page (a single page out of multi-page document), reducing the resolution does not make much sense here. how should this be mentioned in the rationale? -- ktotam ( talk) 23:44, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I start this RFC a follow up to this discussion, which did not yield a clear consensus. It's an issue of the applicability of WP:NFC#UUI #17 to football teams and clubs. The questions the community have been disputed about for years are actually very simple:
Taking into account WP:NFC#UUI #17,
The final question that strems from the above three question's answers is:
Please post your responses below. T v x1 17:48, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
See British Rail D0260. Also Talk:British Rail D0260 and Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Main_photo_question
Lion was a prototype locomotive on British railways in the early 1960s. It was rarely photographed, and very rarely photographed in colour or with good quality. We have no photos available of it.
We have two options for photographs. One is to obtain an old copy of the railway magazines of the period and scan the cover. These are rare, but there are a few. Another is (already in the article) to use a Commons photograph of a model. File:20170721_140120_Richtone(HDR).jpg
Any thoughts? Would an NFC scan of the magazine be deleted anyway as "Use a free photograph of the model instead"? Andy Dingley ( talk) 11:57, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
I have a question about File:The Unknown Comic.jpg being used in The Unknown Comic. I understand non-free images of fictional characters are sometimes allowed for primary identification purposes in stand-alone articles about said characters, but "The Unknown Comic" is really a WP:BLP about Murray Langston, the person wearing the bag. In some cases a non-free image of a living person might be allowed as an exception per item 1 of WP:NFC#UUI when their visual appearance is the main reason why they are Wikipedia notable; at the same time, this is just a picture of a man wearing a paper grocery bag over his head which seems understandable per WP:FREER. Anyway, I asked Hullaballoo Wolfowitz about this at User talk:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz#File:The Unknown Comic.jpg awhile back and his point about this being a photo about a fictional character is a good one that I think needs some more discussion. The photo is technically really photo a character played by Langston than Langston himself, but at the same time the article is titled "The Unknown Comic" and not "Murray Langston". Maybe the photo is OK per WP:NFCCP, just not in the main infobox? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:10, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
For some retired or disbanded groups, or retired individuals whose notability rests in large part on their earlier visual appearance, a new picture may not serve the same purpose as an image taken during their career, in which case the use would be acceptable.(Emphasis added). Yes since Langston is living, one can expect free photos of Langston. Does he perform still with the bag? If not, this may be a case where the photo is allowable because it addresses a notable appearance he no longer has? Crow Caw 21:27, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic. An image needs to lend something to the article that significantly increases a reader's understanding. In a few places in the article, the character with a bag over the head is described. There's nothing that the picture adds to this understanding; one doesn't need an image of a person with a bag over their head to know what a bag over the head of a person looks like. Further, since the person is alive it is quite possible for him to reprise the role, thus making a failure of NFCC #1 even if it didn't fail #8. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 17:54, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
File:Shaurya Chakra.jpg is being used for primary identification purposes in Shaurya Chakra which on the surface seems fine. The file was flagged as a WP:NFCC#9 violation a user sandbox, but was removed here by a bot, which is how I noticed it. After a bit of digging, I found a freely licensed drawing of the medal uploaded to Commons as File:Shaurya Chakra India.jpg. I asked about the Commons file's licensing at c:COM:VPC#File:Shaurya Chakra India.jpg, but have only received one response so far; that response, however, strongly seems to suggest that the imagery appearing on the medal is PD. So, I wondering then if a non-free file of the medal would pass WP:FREER. Even if a drawing is not considered a sufficient free equivalent to a photo of the actual medal itself, it seems that a non-free photo of the medal (from any source) shouldn't be used just because the photo itself is non-free; in other words, a photo of the medal could be taken and uploaded to Wikipedia/Commons under a free license (even if it would be considered a photo of a 3D object) if the medal's imagery is not eligible for copyright protection, right? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:42, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
File:Potterlife.jpg is non-free book cover art which is being used for primary identification purposes of Dennis Potter. Potter is dead so a non-free image of him could be considered OK per item 10 of WP:NFCI; however, item 9 of WP:NFC#UUI states that using non-free cover art for this purpose should only be allowed when the cover art itself is the subject of sourced critical commentary. Even though this cover is pretty much just a photo of Potter with the title of book and author's name at the bottom, it's still a book cover. Does item 9 still apply when the person on the book cover is deceased or is primarily intended to clarify this type of use with respect to NFCC#1 and photos of living persons? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:14, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
What are others thoughts on including a cover image for each edition of a book in an article? Example case: Player's Handbook — JJMC89 ( T· C) 04:49, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
Some of images are being discussed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2019 September 13 now. — JJMC89 ( T· C) 02:31, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
At Men Against Fire, we are contemplating whether to include a non-free book cover of the book which inspired the episode, Men Against Fire: The Problem of Battle Command. It is mentioned in the Conception and writing section and the book doesn't have its own article. Would it meet the NFCC, in particular criterion #8 (contextual significance)? (Talk page discussion happening at Talk:Men Against Fire#Nazi flag.) — Bilorv ( talk) 08:24, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
I uploaded a historical advert, File:SA Sturm Cigarette Company ad.jpg, via the upload wizard, but the page does not seem to contain the long non-free image rationale I typed in. Did something go wrong? I'm contrasting it to File:Goody two shoes cigarette ad.jpg, which I uploaded earlier. HLHJ ( talk) 02:37, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
This seems like a clear-cut case of WP:NFLISTS, etc., but I want to ask about it here first to see whether it's worth going to FFD. Non-free use rationales were just added to File:Coat of Arms of Saskatchewan.jpg, File:Coat of Arms of Nunavut.png, and File:Coat of Arms of Prince Edward Island.png for use in this article. The editor who added the rationales is fairly new and I think this was done in good-faith; just adding the rationales, however, is not really an automatic justification for non-free use per WP:JUSTONE. Most of the files used in the list article are Commons files and it's only these three which are non-free. I understand the desire to have images for all entries in a table such as this, but this doesn't seem to go along with the consensus clearly established over the years for this type of non-free use across a wide range of different list articles. If these three files are somehow incorrectly licensed and are actually PD, then their licensing can be changed and they will no longer be subject to WP:NFCCP. If not, then their non-free use may need to be assessed in not only this article, but perhaps in other articles as well. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 21:56, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Whether it's brought up at FFD or not, the same problem will continue to arise across the project. This is one of the weaknesses of this project. All such things have strengths and weaknesses, but this is definitely a weakness. We've known for a very long time now that this sort of use is not permitted. Yet, many years on we're still fighting the same problems. Personally, given that it's so well established that this use is not permitted, there's not much benefit to going to FFD. Remove the use, educate the person who made the edits to include them, remove the rationales, and move on. If the same editor continues to violation NFLISTS, then continue to follow WP:DR. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 12:52, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi all, I am the user in question here. I'm fairly new to this and yes I had seen gaps in these articles and merely added the pictures from else where without knowing better. My apologizes for this. I have been doing some reading on the linked articles from you guys and have learned from my mistakes. Along this learning journey with some off site research as well, many of the provincial government sites as well as the federal heraldry site, many of them say that the images of the coat of arms can not be replicated or used without explicated permission. With this being stated shouldn't all the images featured on the page in question be removed as well as from all the other articles? -- FlyingBeavers 08:28, 02 October 2019
The NFC image resolution guidelines are now well over a decade old, from another era and completely outmoded by contemporary commercial standards. At current pixel densities on most display devices, we're down to a one square inch size, rendering the content illegible and useless.
It's really easy to tag and fix these images with bots and some contributors really don't like non-free content use in general, but those are poor rationales for a site-wide policy.
For instance, commercial album art resolution standards for itunes recommend a minimum of 3000x3000, or 9 megapixels. Right now the WP convention appears to still be 300x300, or one percent of the commercial resolution, contrary to the 10% rule of thumb guideline generally suggested.
Now those who follow copyright law are likely familiar with the reality of fair use being determined on a case-by-case basis. Wikipedia policies generally follow this advice, yet we still maintain an arbitrarily low resolution standard. This is a question of legal prophylaxis vs. usability and I think that it is to the detriment of our readers and contributors to subvert any nuanced practice by essentially having the NFC image collection bot patrolled/tagged/resized. At the very least I'd like to propose an incremental resolution increase for these coded thresholds. ˉˉ anetode ╦╩ 21:22, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
I am wondering if this meets WP:FREER. This was a really popular band and even though the rationale states that it's no longer touring, it doesn't seem to be a totally unreasonable expectation that an existing free equivalent image to use for the infobox could be found, perhaps one taken at some concert during it's 1996-2002 run. There are exceptions granted for FREER in item 1 of WP:NFC#UUI, but I'm not sure this would qualify for those. Moreover, the WP:BANDLOGO reason given in the file's non-free content use rationale is more of a justification to not use a non-free logo for primary identification, and not really a justification for using a non-free image instead. Perhaps the file's uploader Lazz_R can clarify why they feel a non-free file is needed and whether a search was made to see if an existing free equivalent existed. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:22, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
just curious. Blue Pumpkin Pie ( talk) 18:38, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Jo Cox is deceased so I can see why a non-free image could be allowed per item 10 of WP:NFCI, but she was a British MP when she was killed and it seems that should be a free image of her on some official UK government website that's released under a free license; for example, File:Official portrait of Tracy Brabin - v2 crop 2.jpg is a freely licensed image of her successor and there are many more freely licensed images of other British MPs found in c:Category:Official United Kingdom Parliamentary photographs 2017 so I'm not sure why a non-free photograph from Cox's website is needed per WP:FREER. I found this old archived page for her on the UK Parliament website so maybe there's something in an archived version of the website which could be used instead of a non-free image. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 13:28, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Was wondering about the non-free use of non-free album cover art in List of Scott Pilgrim soundtracks. At first glance, this type of use is not really allowed per WP:NFLISTS and WP:NFC#cite_note-3; however, this may be a case where these albums meet WP:NALBUM, but the content about them has only be combined together as a list article for encyclopedic purposes. The first album listed does seem like it might be OK as a stand-alone article, but I'm not so certain about the other two. Anyway, if it's the case that all of those are Wikipedia notable in their own right, then maybe it would be OK use the files as if these were technically separate stand-alone articles.
Another issue of concern (at least in my opinion) is WP:NFCC#3a since at least for two of the album covers are basically identical with only some minor differences in the text and color; so, it's not clear whether they both are needed regardless. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 04:36, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Similar concerns as those mentioned in #Non-free album covers in List of Scott Pilgrim soundtracks, but none of these soundtracks appear to be independently notable per WP:NALBUM. This typoe of list article seems to be nothing more than a "discography" for the TV series. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 04:44, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
I have created a new user script that adds further support for WP:IMAGERES; you can read its documentation at User:Alex 21/script-imageres. Once you've read the documentation, you can use File:All Lies (film).jpg and File:The End of the F***ing World logo.png as examples for the respective scenarios. -- / Alex/ 21 00:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
File:TH1to5 covers.jpg looks like it might be a user-created montage of non-free video game covers. These tend to be a problem per WP:NFCC#3a and WP:NFG. I checked the source provided for the image, but cannot find either the montage or any of the individual covers. I checked to see if there is possibly an archived version of the source which shows the image, but the earliest I found looks to be the same as the current page. Any suggestions on what to do here? Will ping the uploader Darklanlan to see if they can clarify the origin of the image. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:34, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Are there any exemptions to this rule? When I was
reviewing
Juan Carlos de la Cruz Reyna for GA, I noticed that the image of de la Cruz is non-free. According to the nominator,
MX, it may quality for NFCC#1. This individual is imprisoned in a maximum-security facility and access is severely limited. The only people to have access to him are his lawyers, family members (assuming they have a visa to travel to the U.S.) and prison staff. I've seen licenses like these specifically for BLP when the individuals are imprisoned and/or disappeared.
The issue for me is that he wasn't sentenced to life and is actually expected to be released in 2021. An NFCC exception would only last until then and I'm not sure how to enforce that.
Fiamh (
talk,
contribs) 21:13, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm wondering about the non-free use of this image in Margot Kidder and was going to WP:PROD, but then thought I asked for other opinions first. While I'll agree that Kidder's portrayal of "Lois Lane" is probably her best known role, I'm not so sure that a screenshot of her is needed for the reader to understand that. It's wasn't so much her physical appearance (e.g makeup or costuming) which made it her best known role, but rather her acting and interaction with the other characters as well as the popularity of the movie itself, at least in my opinion. All of this can be, again at least in my opinion, something reasonably understood through cited textual content; so, while nice, I don't see a non-free screenshot as really significantly improving that understanding. There are also quite a number of other images of Kidder in the article so it's not like this one is needed for primary identification purposes; it's also possible given the release date of Superman (1978 film) that there might be some {{ PD-US-no notice}} PR shots from the film showing Kidder somewhere out in the Internet which would could be used instead even if this is deemed to meet NFCC#8. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:28, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
It seems like this would make more sense used in Usman Khan (militant) than it does in 2019 London Bridge stabbing; however, there is currently an ongoing discussion about whether merge that article about Kahn into the article about the stabbing. Either way I don't the consensus has automatically been to use non-free images about the perpetrators of crimes in articles about the crimes themselves absent any significant commentary about the image in question. Some previous FFD discussions about such use in 2017 Congressional baseball shooting ( Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2017 June 15#File:James Thomas Hodgkinson.png and Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2017 July 7#File:James Thomas Hodgkinson.png), 2014 Isla Vista killings ( Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 February 21#File:Rodger small.png) and Umpqua Community College shooting ( Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2015 November 26#File:Chris Mercer.jpg) where the consensus was to delete non-free files when they were only used in articles about the crime and not about the perpetrator. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:34, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
I'm going to add a link to c:Commons:Deletion requests/Shogi Proffesionals because even though it involves photos uploaded to Commons under a free license, it seems that it might also have implications in other ways to other types of photos taken of identifiable persons in Japan, including possibly even non-free content uploaded to Wikipedia. The only reason the uploader has self-nominated these photos is because of language on the Japan Shogi Association's website about the "personality rights" of it's members; the uploader is afraid of being sued for uploading the photos. The uploader owns the copyright on the photos, but even so the JSA website states that permission to use (even on a personal website) is still required. c:Commons:Country specific consent requirements#Japan seems a little confusing, but perhaps the uploader is correct in their assessment of it. If that's the case and files can be deleted from Commons for this reason, then that might also be something that could affect non-free files uploaded of identifiable Japanese persons, particularly recently deceased ones. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:59, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at WP:MCQ#File:Roumdé Adjia Stadium.png. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:45, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
For GIF images, should I just follow the guidelines of images? Armydotnet ( talk) 07:05, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
At Al Hadi School an anonymous editor @ 50.209.127.73: was trying to make some edits, which seem to be test edits that are not contributing to the article. He was reverted once, but did the edits again after being reverted by @ Paleontologist99:. I notice anonymous editors have a habit of doing that, not taking the time to check how/why they were reverted, but instead doing edits again, not reading about what happened to them, with the secone edits never being noticed.
I got a notice that the image could be deleted, so I reverted the edits and put the image back in the article. However I don't think this is sustainable: We can't always count on an article watcher or the original uploader to guard against such a thing; some articles are relatively untrafficked, or the original editor may be gone for any reason; the image still should not be deleted in these cases. It is not acceptable that an image may be deleted due to these kinds of edits. We need an automatic reversion *with* a detailed message in plain English, catering to ordinary John/Jane Smiths, telling them how and why this is happening.
Also, a general point: We also need automatic detailed talk page messages for the revertee in the case of being reverted. We can't count on ordinary people taking the time to read detailed Wikipedia policies: we need plain English, plain message, simple messages telling them what's going on.
Thanks, WhisperToMe ( talk) 05:56, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
This is an unusual case where the subject of a non-free photo is deceased so that non-free use of File:Divya Bharti pic.jpg is most likely OK per item 10 of WP:NFCI, but where completely different photos have been added as updated versions of the one originally updated. New sources seem to be being provided and the older "versions" will eventually be deleted per WP:F5 so maybe it's not such a big deal. It does, however, seem to open the door for the same thing being repeated over and over again each time the uploader finds a "new" photo that they like better, which does seem like it might be something to be a bit concerned about. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:03, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
File:World One Mumbai.png is non-free and it appears the its construction has been placed on hold, but there are two freely licensed images in World One#Gallery which might make this non-free one no longer needed per WP:FREER. Are these free images considered acceptable free equivalents? They show the general shape, but they building might not have be topped out when they were taken. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:45, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 January 22#File:CGP Grey stick figure.png. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:00, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 January 28#File:CKQQ-FM Q103 2010 logo.jpg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:41, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 January 28#Non-free former CKQQ-FM logos. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:42, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
I'm wondering about the non-free use of this file. I kinda get the argument being made for it's non-free use, but at the same time this helicopter was first manufactured in 1991 according to the source cited in the file's description and then was sold to a private company in 2015. It doesn't seem totally unreasonable that someone sometime over the years prior to the crash might've taken a photo that would meet FREER. It also doesn't seem unreasonable to expect that a free equivalent photo of the same type of helicopter could be provide the same encyclopedic information as this one. It might be easier to justify per relevant policy a photo of the crash site or any wreckage, or even of the same type of helicopter and the use of such photos does seem to be the approach followed in some other similar articles. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:30, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
This has come up for discussion before over the years, but it's still not clear how or whether WP:FREER ( WP:NFCC#1) applies to non-free svgs. Previous discussions seem to have reached the conclusion that non-free svgs for logos may be acceptable when they are from a vector version officially provided by the original copyright holder, but may not be OK if they are user generated or come from other websites like Brands of the World, etc. Png files of logos (like File:Red Bull Arena.PNG) seem to be constantly being converted to svg versions (like File:Red Bull Arena logo.svg) even though their doesn't really seem to be a need to do so. I'm sure most of these files are being converted in good faith, perhaps because someone added {{ Should be SVG}} to the file's page, but it's not clear whether they really should be converted. WP:IUP#FOMRAT does state that "Drawings, icons, logos, maps, flags and other such images are preferably uploaded in SVG format as vector images", but it also states "Images with large, simple, and continuous blocks of color which are not available as SVG should be in PNG format." It might be a good idea to first discuss whether IUP and FREER are consistent on this and if they're not then what does "not available as SVG" mean. Does "not available" mean official version provided by the original copyright holder are not available or that any version created by anyone is not available? FREER seems to imply the former, but maybe that's not the case. I'm not trying to single out one editor or one file by bringing this up; the Red Bull file just happended to be on my watchlist. It might, however, be a good idea to clarify this type of thing once and for all, and then revise pages like IUP and templates like "Should be SVG" accordingly if there is a consensus that user-created SVGs of non-free logos should not be used to replace png versions or in place of png versions. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:49, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at WT:FOOTY#National team logo in infobox. — Marchjuly ( talk) 10:39, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Having read National Portrait Gallery and Wikimedia Foundation copyright dispute... are there any restrictions on including a National Portrait Gallery photo of a deceased individual on his Wikipedia biography under WP:FAIRUSE if no other photo is available? (NB. I'm talking about Wikipedia, not Commons.) Muzilon ( talk) 05:22, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 February 17#File:Pol Pot Headshot.jpg. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 21:43, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
The policy in
WP:IMAGERES says that There is no firm guideline on allowable resolutions for non-free content
. This is not actually true, as there is effectively such a guideline, the one enforced by the bots
JJMC89 and
DatBot. It would be more helpful to display the guideline here explicitly, instead of let it stay hidden in the source code of the bots. This would make it possible for users to upload a file with an acceptable resolution at the first try, avoid arguments about whether a file is already low-res enough, and reduce the workload of the admins that are running those bots.
Tercer (
talk) 08:54, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi, shouldn't File:Korea Football Association logo, 2020.svg and File:Lebanese Football Association (LFA) logo.svg be in the public domain in the US as they are not original enough? The first is simply made of lines and geometric shapes, while the second is made of two monochromatic circles, a vectorial image of a football/soccer ball, and a vectorial image of the Lebanese Cedar ( already in the public domain). Nehme1499 ( talk) 12:21, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at WP:MCQ#File:Ontario Provincial Police logo.png. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:38, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2020_March_16#File:The_black_hammer.gif . Help to determine the appropriateness of including the image in the article about Ezra Taft Benson Epachamo ( talk) 02:55, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
FFD discussions like one in 2018 and the recent one (after my PRODding was contested) prove that images of perpetrators are generally unacceptable in non-biographical articles, i.e. articles whose main subject are not the perpetrators themselves. If extra rule to clarify NFCC or WP:NFC is unnecessary, i.e. NFCC is already clear, then how else will the cycle of "horrific event occurred → prolific photo of perpetrator uploaded → photo taken to discussion → deletion" (or something like that) be endured? Or, better yet, I don't know why the users who contested the PROD tag did not get engaged in the recent discussion. BTW, central discussion on this matter was advised, but until now, I'd not seen it centrally discussed yet. -- George Ho ( talk) 11:28, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
In a FfD discussion with user:JJMC89 I run into an argument that the text "the image shows this and that" is a free equivalent of the image. I find it rather surprizing. It this a correct interpretation of WP:FUC, Criterion 1? If yes, I will withdraw my objection there. If no, I would like to see a clarification in the policy, kinda. "where no free equivalent in comparable media" or smth. I.e. image or must be equiv to image, sound recording must be equiv to sound recording, etc. What do you think? Staszek Lem ( talk) 02:45, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello !! i want to add a image on a article of living person. He is a folk singer from nepal . how can i do so ? Ssapkota23 ( talk) 02:57, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
(below post moved from a section above where it was errantly posted -- Hammersoft ( talk) 17:36, 30 April 2020 (UTC)) I want to upload photo from celebrity’s office facebook post . For his article can i do that ? Ssapkota23 ( talk) 11:43, 30 April 2020 (UTC)